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It’s understandable why we admire celebrities. Many use their fame to support important causes, raise awareness, and donate to charity. On the surface, they seem like real-life heroes.
But behind every wholesome image is a team of publicists working hard to keep scandals under wraps and good deeds in the spotlight. So, while some stars appear squeaky clean, the reality is often more complicated.
And strangely enough, nothing seems to clear a celebrity’s reputation quite like their passing. That’s the theme of this viral Reddit thread, where people are naming famous figures whose shady histories were conveniently forgotten once they were no longer around.
Check out the most surprising examples below.
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#1
John Lennon. Musical talent aside, the way he treated his ex wife and Julian is appalling. And people let him off far too lightly for the break up of the band, blaming it all on Yoko Ono. He was a grown a*s man who could think for himself.
Not that Yoko is any better. She couldn't be bothered to lift a finger or contribute a single cent towards Julian after John's passing. She inherited John's entire estate worth an estimated $800M at the time of his death. A million would've meant nothing to her, so she obviously was being needlessly petty and spiteful.
On the other hand, Paul looked out for both Julian and his mother. When Cynthia put John's old love letters up for auction because they needed money, Paul bought them and gifted them back to her. He's a class act who deserves his celebrity recognition.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
People blame Yoko Ono for lots of things. But I've heard Paul McCartney explain that it was 100% John's idea to leave the Beatles.
Creash 3 weeks ago
The Beatles broke themselves up. And it was not just Lennon. Paul McCartney was an arrogant p***k, and thought HE WAS the Beatles.
Load More Replies... Nichole Harris 6 months ago
Don't particularly care for him for reasons but Paul McCartney is a real bro
Lee Gilliland 6 months ago
Lennon also regularly beat his wife and son. Not a nice human being.
ILoveMySon 6 months ago
Never bought his peace and love shtick because of that and other glaring realities.
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Bartlet for world domination 6 months ago
I've had a crush on Paul McCartney since I was tall enough to reach the record player.
John Purves 6 months ago
Also Yoko ghosted her daughter from her previous marriage. They only reunited many years later.
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#2
Ronald Reagan
He was a piece of s**t human being, but got away with a lot of it due to his personal celebrity appeal.
He obviously knew about Iran-Contra and lied about it, disparaged Nelson Mandela and supported South Africa's apartheid government, ignored the AIDS crisis, was instrumental in the current wealth inequality that we have today by bringing about "Trickle Down Economics", defunded mental health care and education, gave weapons to the Taliban, busted unions, threw out the Fairness Doctrine, and my personal favorite: sabotaged the Iran Hostage Negotiations behind the scenes so that he could use it against Carter in the 1980 election.
He shouldn't be on Mount Rushmore, he should be under it.
Mook The Mediocre 6 months ago
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Cathy Null 6 months ago
Eliminated the 'Fairness in Broadcasting Act' which gave rise to extremist media. Also closed most US mental care facilities/hospitals.
Sue From Michigan 6 months ago
Everything the republican party is now started with him and I don't mean that as a compliment.
nottheactualphoto 6 months ago
In this context, Ronnie is the personification of Original Sin.
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GREYNOOK 6 months ago
shame on him in his death for disparaging Nelson Mandela and supported the South Africa's apartheid government.
T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
How dare he! I mean, Madiba wasn't an angel, and never claimed to be. (How he treated Winnie after she'd spent so many years fighting the fight on his behalf was not nice.) But he truly did want the best for his people, of which I am one. My mother met him (they were both in the Park Lane in 1990) and she said he was always friendly.
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Marlena Elias 6 months ago
His lack of compassion for people with AIDs and killing the middle class has him burning in hell.
Kay Christensen 6 months ago
He should have played Bonzo. The chimp had more acting ability.
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Lynn Korbel 5 months ago
created the homeless population when he threw the mentally ill out of the mental hospitals,
Itsmeagain 6 months ago
He listened to that silly little wife far too often - they also had an astrolger adivisng them! WTF? Literally THE most powerful man on earth listening to an astrologer!
#3
Mother Teresa was a horrible person to those she supposedly cared for.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
Words attributed to Mother Theresa: “There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering.” The problem is that she really, really believed in her own worldview and imposed it on those who were poor and sick. https://allthatsinteresting.com/mother-teresa-saint
StrangeOne 6 months ago
Just reading that quote is cruel and sickening. This is one of the many reasons I've abandoned Christianity and all it's forms.
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Regina Holt 6 months ago (edited)
She fought against birth control. She wanted more poor people born so she could be sainted for caring for so many poor people.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago (edited)
Best description I ever heard of her "A psychopathic Albanian dwarf". NB: This is a quote from many years ago. That's why there's a now offensive word in there.
T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
There's more than one book about her that tells the unvarnished truth. "Hell's Angel" is one but I read another one years ago (can't remember the title now) written by an Indian person who said Indians from Kolkata really hated her because of how she treated people. The money she raised by being so high-profile didn't go to the poor - it went to the church and to open more convents, not havens for the poor.
Panda Cat 5 months ago
There’s a podcast from the point of view of one of her nuns. The things they did were often dreadful, including “disciplining” themselves.
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Salty Wild Hair 6 months ago
There are a lot of grumblings that her convent specifically engaged in trafficking.
Itsmeagain 6 months ago
Not the saint people think she is. She said that the starving and ill had brought it upon themselves!
#4
Steve Jobs. Everyone only remembers him as the guy who created and then saved Apple and “invented” the iPhone. People don’t remember how he f****d over his best friend, knocked up his girlfriend and left her as soon as he found out she was pregnant, refused to give the mother of his first child any money, refused to show any outward affection to his daughter, and (although this one is a bit milder in scale) refused to take showers and would put his bare feet up on the conference table.
Oh, also, he refused cancer treatment in favor of new-age healing until it was too late, and then he spent a buttload of money to leapfrog his name on the organ donor list.
Scott Rackley 6 months ago
Steve Jobs didn't invent s**t. Woz created the Apple computer. Engineers at Apple created all the rest. He was a marketer, just like Edison.
Spencer's slave no longer 6 months ago
Jony Ive, now Sir Jony, is the Brit who built the iPhone, Jobs launched it.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Jony Ive is just a stylist. All he did was come up with the external aesthetics. Apple's engineers designed the iPhone - using technology developed elsewhere (including British CPU technology - highly developed in part because of Apple putting money into ARM decades before for the Apple Newton which turned out to be a total flop). Jobs did more than just present it to the world, though - people don't like to accept the fact that he was the one who came up with the ideas of what the iPhone ought to be able to do. Everyone else did the actual creative work, but Jobs imagined what the device should be.
Load More Replies... Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Umm. The fact that Steve Jobs was, in his personal life, a bit of an ar5ehole is not in fact news. I can't imagine anyone who knows anything about him "praising him like a saint' - he was anything but. His management style in his younger days was so awful Apple forced him to resign. What Jobs *did* have was a mind that could conceptualize new gadgets, some of which turned out to be wildly popular. Some of them are even useful...
Spencer's slave no longer 6 months ago
Jony Ive, who's British, built the iPhone.
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Jnausicaa 6 months ago
I bumped into him in a shop in Tokyo. We were both looking for ukiyo-e prints. He started making demands to the owner for some work by an artist. "I saw that here yesterday!" "Where is it?" All of a sudden the owner did not speak any English, excused himself to use the telephone and when he finished told Steve that there was another copy, but in Sapporo. Jobs screamed "Sapporo!!??" Owner apologized and Steve left in a huff. I. made my purchase and the owner said in English that was better than my Japanese, "Thank you very much, Come back tomorrow I will have some Utamaro and Hiroshige. And I know you from last year."
Salty Wild Hair 6 months ago
He also exclusive ate nothing but raw carrots for years. And it turned his skin a shade of orange. He acted so poorly towards other people, that nobody could tell him anything. His end must have been super painful and probably all alone.
Itsmeagain 6 months ago
A case of right place, right time, s**t on your friend and take all the credit. Nice job, Jobs!
#5
Not dead, but Oprah’s legacy will definitely be more complicated. She contributed to the hysteria surrounding the Satanic Panic. She’s the reason Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil became famous.
Kyle Simonson 6 months ago (edited)
I think it's a draw between those two. One for faking being a doctor and the other for ignoring all of his medical education to spout c**p.
Load More Replies... T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
I've never liked her, but that's because, if you go back and watch her show, she would interrupt every guest while they were talking to interject some personal anecdote. I mean, she interrupted NELSON MANDELA! You'd think for once she'd let her guest talk, but no. I think in that interview he said less than a dozen sentences.
Lynchamigsakta 6 months ago
She's one of the worst interviewers I've ever seen, also like you say somehow made every single interview somehow about herself
Load More Replies... Regina Holt 6 months ago
And now look where Dr. Oz is. Buddy tRump gave him a job, which of course is laughable (actually makes you cry, the insanity)
fly on the wall 6 months ago
I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me. Grifters and con men
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Malakai 6 months ago
She helped promote an anti-vaxxer's "vaccines cause autism" b******t and fanned the flames of that conspiracy theory significantly.
Victorious Foxx 6 months ago
Which is doubly wrong when studies are now showing a maternal deficiency in Omegas is one of the causes.
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Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
I am still angry about the way she allowed Harry and his wife to wallow in their sob story all over television. Harry should have known better and so should Oprah.
Rafael 6 months ago
She owns a big portion of an island in hawaii and won't let the locals live there (forgot the details but it is weird how people can "own" inhabited islands anyway)
Victorious Foxx 6 months ago
No, she bought up the burned out sections of Maui for pennies on the dollar, grossly taking advantage of people who had just lost everything. She's vile!
Load More Replies... Lil be lil 6 months ago
She is also so unblack now that she is filthy filthy rich. Where did she speak for BLM after George Floyd? With all her connections and money why didn't she make any real change in Amurika?
#6
Not dead yet but it baffles me how nobody seemingly knows that conor McGregor was convicted for r*ping a Woman so brutally, the tampon had to be surgically removed.
Christiano Ronaldo was accused of r**e but the case didnt go through because the transctipt of him admitting it to his lawyers, detailing the brutality of it, was acquired illegally.
Both still have a significant following.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Umm. I think youll find that pretty much the entire population of Conor McGregor's home country - Ireland - knows about the r@pe. 😬
Hunter Rose 6 months ago
Still have a following because of alpha male (aka small d**k) culture.
Jenny Curran 6 months ago
He is despised in Ireland except for a few sad incel racists who worship him.
Donna Sempek 6 months ago
Don’t forget a convicted felon, misogynistic Donald Trump…aka president
Evan Connolly 2 months ago (edited)
They should let evidence acquired illegally be admissible. Just make it so that if whoever gets the evidence is wrong, they get charged.
#7
L Ron Hubbard. He still has a billion dollar cult.
Libstak 6 months ago
Horrible person, but his books were so good. I can't read them now I know who he really is though.
Kyle Simonson 6 months ago
You are the first person in the world I've heard say his books were good.
Load More Replies... Lee Gilliland 6 months ago
Hey, he began the best darn religion ever founded on a bar bet ever.
Panda Cat 5 months ago
Now they have David Miscavige to äbusë them. He’s a little short guy at 165 cm (5’5”) and is well known for bėatīng anyone and everyone. His wife Shelly pīssed him off years ago by rearranging the “Org board” and hasn't been seen since. Evidence points to her living in one of their small compounds in California where she’s said to be recording all of L Ron’s writing on to gold or titanium discs. Imagine we all disappear in some way or another and those appear when our reptile overlords take over and think we believed it.
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Christine Wild 6 months ago
Only a billion. when I first moved to San Francisco and was looking for a job I applied for one at their office that was a couple blocks away I knew something about the Scientology but not a lot. I think I would’ve gotten the job except salaries were based on the donations they received and sometimes it could be as low as $25 a week. Where is his wife anyway?
#8
I believe it depends on who you talk to, but I'd say Charles Lindbergh.
"Lucky Lindy" was adored for his solo transatlantic flight from New York to Paris in 1927. And the nation mourned the kidnapping and m****r of his infant son, Charles Lindbergh Jr., in 1932. (Kidnapping was designated a federal crime because of this case.)
However, Lindbergh was a N**i sympathizer and headed the America First Committee, which was dedicated to keeping the United States out of WWII. He socialized with Nazis during one of his many trips to Germany and received a medal from Hermann Göring, who headed the Luftwaffe, the German Air Force.
Lindbergh also had a secret family in Germany while he was married to Anne Morrow Lindbergh. He had children with two women in Bavaria: Brigitte and Marietta Hesshaimer, and with his European secretary, Valeska. He kept these relationships secret from his wife and his children in America. .
Michael Largey 6 months ago
Highly and publicly anti-semitic, one reason the Nazis liked him so much.
Analyn Lahr 6 months ago
He might have had his son killed because the boy had a club foot and large head and therefore wasn't "perfect". Lindbergh was into eugenics.
Featherytoad 6 months ago
That's the one I heard about him. Being a N**i sympathizer, it's plausible.
Load More Replies... T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
I've read theories (THEORIES!!) that say the guy they had up for kidnapping the toddler was framed and Lindy might have k!lled the toddler in a rage.
Vytas Navickas 5 months ago
and now the rest of the story.....turns out he was a "deep cover" spy for the USA. His job, eventually was to go to Germany, inspect (with the regime proudly showing it and him!) the German air capability and production means, count fighters, if you will.... as for the kidnapping I have no stance or information to speculate
Nancy Jeckells 6 months ago
it was believed by some that Lindbergh killed his son himself, as he was disabled. Bruno Hauptmann may have been innocent.
Panda'sMom 6 months ago
Forensic evidence is supporting the theory he was at the very least complicit and at worse arranged the kidnapping, etc., of his son. Apparently the child was "horribly deformed" (Lindbergh's own words) because Jr. had a club foot. Lindy just couldn't handle not having a perfect child.
Kabuki Kitsune 6 months ago
Context is key here, especially when talking about history. First and foremost, prior to WW2, there was an active fear that the next war would end up looking like the last one, which we now call WW1. Keep in mind, there were single battles in that war where a million men died. Trench warfare and poison gas... No one wanted to see that again, and the group Lindy was part of, wanted to keep the US out of another war in Europe. He wasn't a N**i sympathizer though. At least not at the start of things. Keep in mind, Hitler came to power by election in 1933. The war didn't start until 1939. If his association with people who, at the time, weren't at war makes him a sympathizer, then you'd have to also include the likes of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who himself was cordial, even friendly with the N**i recigme in Germany prior to the start of the war. Lindbergh's classification as a sympathizer, however, came AFTER the war ended.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
Kabuki Kitsune: a very US-isolationist viewpoint. Roosevelt seemed to understand that if a war broke out in Europe, America couldn't stay out of it; he was never friendly with Hitler's lot, any more than Chamberlain here in the UK was - but both negotiated with them in a cordial fashion until that no longer worked, because that's how to negotiate. Of course Lindberg was a white supremacist anti-democratic N@zi supporter, trying to use US isolationism to help the N@zis win in Europe - he'd been identified as a N@zi sympathizer in 1941 before the US joined WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh#Antisemitism_and_views_on_race
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Gandhi was a woman beater and made teenage girls sleep in his bed to “help him learn to resist temptation” or some s**t like that.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Mmm. Gandhi was a massive racist and the bit about the young women is true, but I've failed to find any source backing up the claim about him beating women. He preached in support of women's rights - but in real life? https://www.vice.com/en/article/gandhi-was-a-racist-who-forced-young-girls-to-sleep-in-bed-with-him/ and https://scroll.in/article/826175/most-revered-patriarch-when-eleven-young-women-from-bengal-took-on-gandhi
WindySwede 6 months ago
I read that he refused meds for his wife, but when he was ill he got the best treatment..? 🤢
Load More Replies... T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
He developed a lot of his policies when he was in South Africa, but he was still racist towards Black people. That said, very few heroes are not flawed. We can still admire his work while thinking he was a doos.
azubi 6 months ago
Thank you. I found out you better not get to know your idols. They are people, and worse , people of their time, and if we deny good ideas anytime they didn't live up to them, there will be nothing and no one left. Take no heroes, only inspiration
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N S 3 months ago
Gandhi and Nehru are solely responsible for the present religious situation in India. If India had not been made a secular country in 1947, it might have progressed far more than it has today. They laid the foundation of religious intolerance, and our politicians are still exploiting it. Every sensible Indian hates Gandhi.
#10
Not dead yet but the director Roman Polanski was convicted of r**e and/or sodomy of a 13 year old drugged up girl. He fled before sentencing and has been treated as a genius since. He's even won several awards. Several female actresses who were part of the "me too" movement were called out (barely) for signing a petition to have his conviction overturned so he could come back to America. Should be dead.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
But whoever even remotely confused Polanski with a saint at any time?
Christine Wild 6 months ago
He was the wife of Sharon Tate, right? The one the Manson followers Stabbed or 14 times and hung her and a man named Jay Sebring were hung from a rafter. She was 8 1/2 months pregnant.. two others were also m******d It was found that they had a list of people they had intended to k**l. Including I think Frank Sinatra.
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
i think you mean he was the husband of sharon tate.
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Itsmeagain 6 months ago
Although he did everything stated above - he has never been seen as anything other than what he is. He did garner a lot of sympathy because of Sharon Tate's appalling murder, so maybe that's why people forget his other side.
#11
Joseph Smith. Ever heard of Mormonism?
T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
Golden plates and special glasses to read them with. Sure, okay. *Rolls eyes*
BeepBoop is Lonely (she/they) 6 months ago
and can't translate it a second time because God doesn't want him to (or something like that)
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Dan Holden 6 months ago
The same way they fall for all the other forms of Christianity. And all religions for that matter.
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fellowhumanbean (she/her) 4 months ago
no, polygamy was a commandment from the lord a looooooong time ago. we've stopped that practice.
Load More Replies... fellowhumanbean (she/her) 4 months ago
i'm a member of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, not mormonism. please don't downvote me, i'm just here to defend myself and my church. thank you for reading and have a nice day.
fellowhumanbean (she/her) 4 months ago
there's a lot of misunderstanding, and some of our traditions/beliefs seem hard to understand. but we believe that god said to love everyone, and we all try to do that :)
Load More Replies... Lil be lil 6 months ago
Well, I have tried to imagine a new religion for myself. It's very difficult. A religion that recognizes all living things as Sacred.
The Darkest Timeline 6 months ago
No, it’s definitely weirder than a lot of religions
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Kobe Bryant was a r*pist. I said what I said.
BeepBoop is Lonely (she/they) 6 months ago
Hadn't heard of this before. Read the reddit thread. Bro admitted to it 😭
Joe Reaves 6 months ago
If you read the police report on the incident, his reaction when the police first approached him about the accusation is 100% not the reaction of someone who was innocent.
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Elizabethe Carlisle 5 months ago
Kobe was an absolute rapist. It's remarkable how well publicists can resurrect the identity of multimillionaires.
Blue Sky 6 months ago
Just like every other famous actor, star, singer, sports person.it doesn't matter till they p**s off the wrong person in Hollywood. Then you get Didied. Epstein Weinstein. Not that he's going to jail. It certainly won't stop any other women from p-mping out their daughters just to be around fame. People really think Epstein killed himself. Or Weinstein is actually in jail yeah right. How would you know. Unless you were in that prison to see them for yourself, or in me autopsy room you don't.
Roy Phillips 6 months ago (edited)
We got to see the power of the NBA and the LA Lakers put to work in Kobe's case. Strangest thing was the victim's name, address, etc., were released "by accident" three times before the mistrial was declared. After that, Kobe's "fan base" set in with the death threats against her. It was only after the mistrial that Kobe admitted in a trump-like statement that while, to him, the act that took place wasn't r**e, he could see how the victim saw it as r**e. You know, she said "NO!" and he heard "GO!"
#13
Walt Disney. Built a global empire but also had a history of racism, sexism, and antisemitism that people conveniently forget the moment they walk into Disneyland.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
When his artists tried to form a union in the 1930s, good old Walt gave their names to the FBI as Communist agents. (The FBI patted him on the head and told him to go away.)
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
Fortunately the current Disneyland management maintains the tradition of money-grabbing dishonesty and poor employment practises that Walt visualised.
Michael Largey 6 months ago (edited)
As Bill Murray put it after working for them, "Those Disney people sure are close with a buck."
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Judy Echezuria 6 months ago
Oh, THAT does it! Obvious pure evil! I hear Hitler also hated cats.
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Cj Churchall-McKenzie 6 months ago
america was built on racism and prejudice. there were worries america would become another f*****t country in the 1930s.
Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
What made me really angry was when I learned how animals were manipulated to make them perform for his films such as "African Lion". Actual cruelty was used, or so I read.
Michael Largey 6 months ago (edited)
Christianity is based on Judaism, but there have been plenty of antisemitic Christians.
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Hes not dead yet, but chris brown. Its like everyone has forgotten what he did to rihanna.
Nikole 6 months ago
Seems like most people did or they just don’t care. I’m going with the latter.
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Melissa Childers 6 months ago
I dunno... I would say that Rihanna is giving him the BEST "f**k you"... which is living her best life.
The Majestic Opossum 6 months ago
Nope, nobody forgot and that's why his career is in the toilet. He was cancelled before cancel culture was a thing.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
Strangely. The thing which I remember was that he wet his pants in the police car when they picked him up.
Victorious Foxx 6 months ago
He needs serious help. Anyone remember what he did to the window on the Today show after his interview about Rhianna?
Nikki Gross 6 months ago
That was seriously fūcked up and then he denies having anger management issues and tries to justify beating women.
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#15
Thomas Edison, y'know for not really inventing what he's most famous for.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Thomas Edision is praised for the wrong things. What he *did* invent was the modern "sweat shop" type of research lab, dedicated to exploiting clever engineers and technicians in a way that means the workers get screwed and the company gets rich - at Menlo Park in NJ (not the one in CA). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison#Menlo_Park_laboratory_(1876%E2%80%931886)
Doctor Strange 6 months ago
Fun Fact. Thomas Edison is the reason Hollywood exists. Specifically, because he believed that he owned the copyright to any and ALL film produced, and had no qualms about sending thugs to destroy other studios. So they moved to California, which was too far away for him to be able to do anything about.
Analyn Lahr 6 months ago
He also electrocuted animals in public to show how electricity worked. Before I knew all the bad stuff about him, I liked him but now...what an absolute b*****d.
Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
He was frightened of AC electricity and pushed to keep DC, which would have made it impossible to light cities. He exploited Nikola Tesla, who was a genius but hopeless at marketing, and he actually electrocuted animals to show how "dangerous" AC was!
Stephen Hutchison 6 months ago
Yeah, between Henry Ford's development of the same kind of factory, Edison for stealing the work of other people, and that brilliant fellow Thomas Midgley Jr. who invented leaded gasoline AND ozone-destroying refrigerants, and who also invented the use of slippery elm bark to create the "spitball" -- they're all such lovely people.
#16
Steve Jobs
He had a daughter with his h**h school girlfriend. Repeatedly denied paternity despite DNA tests showing otherwise. Claimed that he was sterile which was a lie. That girl lived in poverty while he went on to become incredibly wealthy. He later finally allowed her into his life and (according to her) was a*****e and distant and she said that he frequently would be manipulative and insult her appearance or hygeine
He was also really temperamental towards his employees. Publicly humiliated staff. Close friends even called him self-centered and difficult to work with.
Apple worked with Foxconn, which was a Chinese manufacturing partner that is accused of Harsh Working Conditions, Long Hours, Poor Wages etc. That obviously isn't something unique to Apple. But Jobs was dismissive of these concerns
Apple was also part of a wage-fixing scandal. Conspiring with other Silicon Valley Companies to not poach employees which suppressed salaries across the industry.
He really wasn't a good dude. Apple in general is not a good company. Yet there is very little negative press towards him or the company. A lot more praise than criticism.
Spittnimage 6 months ago
Insult his daughter's hygiene? He didn't shower so where did he get off saying anything? Hypocrite!
Dread Pirate Roberts 6 months ago (edited)
Honestly, I hate Apple products. Never surprised me that the owner of the company was a giant d*******g.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Steve Jobs was one of the three co-founders, and he was forced out of the firm. The underharnd business methods Bill Gates used to seize a monopoly over the IBM-compatible PC operating system market bear examination if you're wanting to compare ethics - giving MS a dominance in the PC market it still holds today, despite its inferior product (IBM's OS/2, anyone?). No-one ever seems to hate Microsoft, though. It'd be an interesting study in psychology to find out why people so many people hate Apple, which has attracted large-scale hatred from the early Mac days.
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#17
Hugh Hefner. Hefner's former male and female employees and partners made claims of systematic sexual misconduct and manipulation, recreational and manipulative d**g use.
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
everyone knew what went on at his parties, but that sure didnt stop them from going, they flocked there for his parties every single time.
Load More Replies... Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Isn't this list supposed to be about people who were "praised like saints"? Honestly no-one *EVER* thought that about the Playboy guy.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
Hefner would have been vastly amused with the word 'saint" being associated with him.
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Diane Tucker 6 months ago
Being known about is not the same as being revered, admired, or respected.
Lil be lil 6 months ago (edited)
This post is about ppl who were celebrated for something. Hefner was admired by many men who bought his magazine and patronized his Bunny Club and emulated his lifestyle. Sexist pigs all of them!!
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Dread Pirate Roberts 6 months ago
There were people who thought a pervert who objectifies women was a good person? Doubtful.
Deth Invictus 6 months ago
I am going to regret this but.....President Trump is adored by his followers and there is no way he's what you would call a god person.
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Pope John Paul II. He oversaw one if not the most disturbing cover-ups in human history and he was made an actual saint.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
"Renaissance authoritarianism carried out at the speed of 20th Century communication." - Father Andrew Greeley
Elwood Schwartz (it/that) 6 months ago
You can do what you want when you're an absolute monarch. Or so I've been lead to believe, anyway.
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Mucha Luz Productions 3 months ago
I used to live in Poland during his papacy. I saw dozens of pictures of him, as a soldier, "hanging" with little boys. Everyone knew he was a blatant p*****e himself. Nothing surprising about Karoł Woytiła.
Itsmeagain 6 months ago
Yes - the big Catholic Cover up. Also, the Vatican has shares in a .......c****m prodcution company. Or it did.
#19
Christopher Columbus.
Forrest Grump 6 months ago (edited)
Every year on the second Monday in October, I celebrate Indigenous Peoples' Day.
Strings 6 months ago
Well, you COULD celebrate Columbus Day. Go to the local grocery store, and get lost looking for spices...
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Agfox 6 months ago (edited)
Columbus "I discovered America!" Amerigo Vespucci "Yeah, but they named it after me, loser"
Dread Pirate Roberts 6 months ago
Changing it to Indigenous People's Day is one thing I'm totally in favor of. Columbus was anything but a hero. Guy was a monster, even for his time.
Christine M Quigley 6 months ago
Most men back then were as cruel to those deemed 'different' or darker color as the current Trump administration.
Nikki Gross 6 months ago (edited)
One of the few good things that the US Public School System was change out celebrating Columbus Day for Martin Luther King Jr. Day. That allowed us to have parades and marches to honor MLK Day during school hours, since it became a day off for most school districts..
Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
He was a man of his time, but his "discovery" of America is not a cause for celebration.
Zeran Stormsinger 6 months ago
Even by his days standards he was a monster.
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John Wayne. Way after civil rights movement win, he advocated back the other way and was a massive racist. He wanted full Jim Crow stuff back in force.
Now people only ever remember him fondly for his bang average cowboy films.
David 6 months ago
Never heard anything antisemitic about. Anti-Native America for sure, but antisemitic? other than he liked to use antisemitic slurs, he was actually very well liked by Jews in hollywood. He was very close with Kirk Douglas, and writer and producer Mel Shavelson said that Wayne was his biggest advocate and helped him get his films greenlit.
Load More Replies... Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Any time I hear the name "John Wayne" my first thought is "nauseatingly racist", so I'm not sure this one's right.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
John Wayne quote: " “I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from [the native Americans], if that’s what you’re asking,” he said, adding: ”There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.” " https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/john-wayne-playboy-interview-1971-racist-homophobic-white-supremacy-a8788456.html
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Gemma Smith 6 months ago
He tried to attack an indigenous woman on the Oscars stage for accepting Marlon Brandos award and reading a letting of him protesting against how the indigenous people were portrayed in film. Such a gent! 😒
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
The woman in question was sincere, but might not have been as she appeared to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacheen_Littlefeather. That link says "Koch and director Marty Pasetta both later recalled that John Wayne was waiting in the wings and had to be restrained by six security guards to prevent him from forcing her off stage.This claim has since been disputed by film historian Farran Nehme and biographer Scott Eyman as a "persistent urban legend" which "never happened", "
Load More Replies... Cydney Golden 6 months ago
Said the native Americans were selfish to want to keep the land from the European invaders.
Christine M Quigley 6 months ago
Ultimate misogynist. Loved playing military roles but was never in the military. Yet millions idolized him back in the day.
Robert Miller 6 months ago
Also avoided military service and acted like a war hero then was a huge supporter of McCarthyism . Watch the movie Trumbo
#21
Charlie Chaplin. Married and divorced multiple teenage girls who he abused.
Baba Caine 6 months ago
True celebrity of his day, and the movie companies like to help cover all this up, same as some of the bigger names been gày, all hush hush
Jenny 6 months ago
Look at Igor here being a rápe apologist and paedophile defender. 😒
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James Brown. Regularly beat his wife over 25 years until she k*lled herself.
Bananaramamama 6 months ago
I think he was a terrible person and an a*****e husband...but he wasn't even married for 25 years (?) he had several wives...I'm curious as to who this refers to
keyboardtek 6 months ago
I was a keyboardist in numerous bands. Many lead singers tend to have a narcissistic personality and are power hungry. They demand all the attention. As a member of the band, we all considered them a necessary evil for a pop band's success.
#23
Not dead yet but Hulk Hogan would easily fit this category.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago (edited)
A pro Trump speech which I saw of his on, You Tube, was somewhere between mēth-induced anti-Biden rage and homo-erotic Trump-love. It really was embarrasing to watch.
Ahnjunwan 6 months ago
This i can understand but apart from that he is a horrible person for many reasons
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Chris the Bobcat 6 months ago
I know I'm old. I remember when hulk hogan was considered the good guy and the Iron Sheik was the heel, rather than the other way around. Supporting the traitor trump was just the most recent of his idiocy.
SheamusFanFrom1987 6 months ago
I used to roar when Real American by Rick Derringer played. Now I'm just like "Oh, it's the real Tw*t-merican..."
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#24
Pretty much ANY Kennedy. They probably have the most sanitized public reputation of any American political family.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
J F Kennedy has one thing in his favour: he used his family connections to overcome his medical disqualification from the US armed forces so that he could join the US Naval Reserve and serve in action during WWII. Think about that - a young rising star in a wealthy, well connected US family pulling strings not to get out of a war, but specifically so that he could put himself in the firing line. Criticise him, yes - but recognise that then at least, he acted with courage and honour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_torpedo_boat_PT-109
Kyle Simonson 6 months ago
Compared to our present a****** Kennedy was a saint.
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Michael Danhauer 6 months ago
It is my educated opinion that JFK was killed because he opposed the long term proliferation of the Military Industrial Complex. No president has done so since his assassination. You DO NOT mess with the warmongers and get to live very long. It's pretty obvious if you think about it.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Eisenhower was the first to warn about the military industrial complex.
Load More Replies... northernsoulgw 6 months ago
Yet JFK was killed supposedly because he was in favour of the civil rights movement, he refused to go to war and stopped the Cuban module crisis, pulled strings so he could fight for his country in war when he was exempt. Philandering husband yes, but seemed like a decent guy otherwise.
PeepPeep the duck 6 months ago
Maybe not Rosemary though, she seemed cool before the ‘medical abusè
Lil be lil 6 months ago
They said she was "r******d" who knows, she might of been autistic and over diagnosed as a female that's common even today.
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Marlon Brando
Was an a*s on set and people hated working with him. And SA'd the actress on the set of The Last Tango In Paris by using butter which he had discussed with the director on the day of shooting and did not inform Maria Schneider before to discuss it with her. He also suggested to "write his lines on Maria's rear end" instead of memorizing his lines but it was rejected.
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
he never memorized his lines, there were cue cards everywhere on every set.
Caroline Overill 6 months ago
Absolutely c**p actor. Got an Oscar for shoving cotton wool in his gob. There are many truly great actors who never get an award. Probably fixed in the main.
Sudeep Sarkar 4 months ago
He drove off with the hot male actors on his motorbike and disappeared for a week.
#26
All the poineers of America. Henry Ford, Rockefeller, Edison, Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Vanderbilt, Ray Croc anyone that became successful climbed over a lot of people to get to the top.
Chris the Bobcat 6 months ago
At least Carnegie founded libraries. The traitor trump climbed over just as many people but has done nothing to benefit society.
Admiralu 6 months ago
Rockefeller’s trust has funded a large variety of medical research and projects for the public good.
Load More Replies... Dread Pirate Roberts 6 months ago (edited)
The story of most people who get ridiculously rich. It's nearly impossible to get that much money and influence without cheating and robbing the poor.
Mike Rodrick 6 months ago
That's why hearing or reading "self-made millionaire" pisses me off. They don't exist.
Load More Replies... Michael P. 6 months ago
Known as the “Gilded age” in the late 19th century. Joseph Pulitzer was a newspaper tycoon at the time who owned the “New York World”. His rival, William Randolph Hearst, who owned the “New York Journal”, are both pioneers of yellow journalism. Given that they were partly responsible for instigating the Spanish-American war, where they would exaggerate facts and influence the public. But Pulitzer admitted to the error of his ways and became a philanthropist who would create the Pulitzer Prize for recognitions in journalism to literature.
#27
Picasso was a woman beater. Dali sold out his friends to the fascists, if I remember correctly he was responsible for Lorca’s death.
Ellinor 6 months ago
Picasso was worse than that, he abused mentally everyone around him, made them all miserable, some of his girlfriends lost their career because of him. He used to beat Dora Maar until she passed out and then painted her to create "la femme qui pleure". Awful guy, really awful. When my Art History teacher taught us about the "genie" he was I asked if he was going to talk about the polemics and he said that no because it wasn't relevant.
Petra Peitsch 6 months ago
Although. I like some of his art, yes he was a terrible human being. This can be obvious for anyone visiting just once the Picasso-museum in Barcelona. And they are not going in details, but as his life is displayed there, one can see.
Load More Replies... StPaul9 6 months ago
Dali was not a f*****t. He described himself as a f*****t, a royalist, a socialist, a communist and an anarchist. His point was that his art was just labelled, so he would make himself titles. And the Spanish police searched the country high and low (Pan's Labyrinth) was people like Lorca. Yes, Dali managed to flee into France but openly showed that he was not going to fit into the f*****t ideal. If anything, Lorca could have been killed by anyone.
Baba Caine 6 months ago
Yeah sure, take lips away from his arsè and read a history book not written by people who liked him
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Lynda Meeder 2 months ago
Picasso was a s*x a****t .... there is always a p***s in most of his paintings .
#28
Coco Chanel.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
She was wise in terms of fashion though. She said that before you walk out your door, you should take one thing off. In her case it was probably her National-Sozialistische D.A.P. swāstika badge. But it's still practical advice.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
All those downvotes for pointing out Coco Chanel was never considered saintly and yes, did live in difficult times. When you're reliant on yourself and can't trust anyone else, what do you do? You look after yourself as best you can. Are you so very sure that your behaviour would not be judged more harshly these days if *your* country had been invaded by N@zis? I'm not defending her so much as pointing out that it's very easy to criticise someone from this distance in history.
Jennik 6 months ago
Other people lived in those "difficult times" and made very different choices. They looked after others, not just themselves.
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Laura Gillette 6 months ago
She was a n**i (not "officially", but she palled around with them and supported their cause).
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#29
I mean mike tyson committed r**e and he's pretty much beloved again now.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Mike Tyson was found guilty and served his time in prison - that does make a difference if you ask me. He's also a better person than when he was younger.
Petra Peitsch 6 months ago
The only difference is, that he was caught. If he wouldn't have been, he wouldn't come out by himself about being a disgusting r.apist. He is regretting being caught, not his deeds.
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Elwood Schwartz (it/that) 6 months ago
His image has been somewhat rehabilitated. I don't know if he's "beloved."
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago (edited)
There seems to be an opportunity for the societal rehabilitation of people who have done bad things in the US. People are reinstated to public acceptance after a couple of talk show interviews. This isn't the case in many other countries. In many places, if you do something really serious to another person, you will never receive positive public attention again.
Michael P. 6 months ago
In 2014, Mike Tyson was being interviewed in Toronto by a journalist at a local tv station, who brought up the allegations and basically dropped a series of f bombs on live television. This was when Rob Ford was the mayor of Toronto, who was infamous for smoking crack who tarnished Toronto’s reputation, Tyson was there to show his support for the mayor as Ford was running for reelection.
D W 6 months ago
He has publicly repented and taken responsibility for what he did. Rapists are the lowest of the low, but he has transformed since then. Most rapists don't do that.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
Tyson has always denied the offence. There are worse crimes than r@pe. Yes, there are: mass mvrder, for example. G3nocide. Meanwhile, I can't help noticing that while Tyson gets a lot of hate for his crime (which was vile and inexcusable), the current president of the USA was elected after having been found guilty of r@pe by a court in the USA and for some reason, that doesn't seem to bother people anything like as much.
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#30
Surprised nobody said Hitchcock. Guy was a total a*****e perv. Genius who made absolutely terrific films and expanded the very vocabulary of visual storytelling, but what a twisto.
Abuse of performers, especially women, used to be expected from directors in pursuit of incredible performances (which frequently worked).
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
Hitchcock wasn't the first or the only one. Not that that excuses him. https://lithub.com/the-dark-side-of-an-auteur-on-alfred-hitchcocks-treatment-of-women/
ILoveMySon 6 months ago
IIR, it was because she rebuked his s e x u a l advances.
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Jumping Jellyfishes 6 months ago
Looking at the women he cast for his movies, he definitely had a type.
Camilla Koutsos 6 months ago
He died when I was a kid. I only saw one film before he died, and was hooked. When I found out what a creep he was a few years back I was so disillusioned. He is to me what JK Rowling is to a bunch of younger adults now: a hugely disappointing F¥€<#R.
#31
Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old cousin and almost everyone remembers him for that other than his music.
When he died, fellow musicians were full of nothing but praise for him and conveniently overlooked this as well as his other misdemeanours.
Kenny Kulbiski 6 months ago
Compared to most of today's "Rock Stars" he was a saint. Diddy? Ye.?etc.
BrunoVI 6 months ago
That one of his many wives was only 13 was actually one of the LEAST disturbing things about his seven marriages. His fifth wife died of a d**g o******e after 77 days; many people around him think he m******d her. His fourth wife drowned under questionable circumstances in a swimming pool days before his divorce was final, allowing him to keep all his money. In the case of his 3rd wife (the 13-year-old), it was his son that ended up dead; she alleged all manners of abuse by him. He married his second wife before his marriage to his first wife was dead. His son by her also died questionably.
Load More Replies... Michael Largey 6 months ago
People who are considered saints rarely have the nickname "Killer".
Miranda Prince 6 months ago
There's also credible evidence that he m******d Shawn Stevens, his fifth wife.
Schmebulock 6 months ago
Pretty sure the people who still remember him also remember the cousin marriage.
les 6 months ago
didn't some lady write a book about screwing a load of rock stars in the 70s when she was 14?
Huddo's sister 6 months ago
Given "almost everyone remembers him for that other than his music" I don't think this fits here
Heras buddy 6 months ago
Not that I condone it,but it was legal in many southern states at the time.
T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
I'm not excusing him, but in the interest of historical accuracy, Myra was his *second* cousin.
Zee Démairt 6 months ago
☝️🤓 First cousin once removed. Her father was his cousin.
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Jackson Pollack. He lived off his wife’s work and k****d his mistress/gf while driving drunk.
Bret Sander 6 months ago
Lee Krasner was her name and she was a much better painter than he was
Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
Call him an artist? My cat does better work. I guess you could make some of his stuff into floor tiles though.
#33
How is Michael Jackson not top comment lol.
SouthernGal 6 months ago
I’ll never be able to listen to his music. Can’t stand to be reminded of him. So twisted.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
In the case of Michael Jackson, it's worth investigating his background. He was himself a victim of an appalling upbringing. It's not a defence - but...
Load More Replies... Gracie Jay 6 months ago
Yea, considering no paraphernalia was found when they raided his place and belongings, I have serious doubts about the accusations. I mean, the hardest part is usually getting the warrants.
Gracie Jay 6 months ago
Not to mention, the FBI investigated him for 10 years straight, based on rumors, and found no evidence of criminal conduct.
Load More Replies... Michael Danhauer 6 months ago
MJ was a messed up guy who tried to reimagine his childhood as an adult. He was obviously eccentric unto the point of low grade insanity and behaved poorly as a result. His actions should be cautiously condemned as he was not raised properly. However, some of his music is absolutely wonderful and I choose to enjoy it despite his shortcomings as a human being.
Crissy Newbury 5 months ago
He was a liar, a narcissist and ultimately a paedofile. Great music, sh!t person.
Load More Replies... Analyn Lahr 6 months ago
I'm not sure he mentally aged passed a certain point. He was messed up certainly but how much was because he was child celebrity who didn't really get to be a kid? And from what I understand his father abused him, did something so he'd keep that high pitch. Not excusing Michael's behavior just trying to understand where it came from.
Peta Hurley-Hill 3 months ago (edited)
He should be number 1 on this list ! And even on here there are so many people defending him and down voting those who recognize his as the perv he was! Cannot listen to him anymore.
Mophead 6 months ago
The amount of people who defend this man because he had this child-like persona, he is a child a****r... If it was so innocent and fun why did he have cameras outside his bedroom? and why were only boys invited to these 'sleepovers'?
Alicia Fullbright 6 months ago
Why boys? So, he would not be accused of harming young girls. lol Just because so many people want to think the worst of others.
Load More Replies... Evan Connolly 2 months ago
And so many people seem to stand up for him, like they are in denial.
Alicia Fullbright 6 months ago
It's hard to see him smeared that way. I don't know for sure if he did m****t kids or not. He was never convicted. I want to say again I don't know if he did or not. He was a brilliant musician and entertainer. That I do know. We all have our public and private personas. If he did m****t kids, that's between him and his maker. He is beyond human judgement now.
#34
Bing Crosby, known - along with his wife - for terribly abusing his children.
I had a friend whose parents worked as contract background players on the sets, lots and scenes of movies during Hollywood's "Golden Age" when she was a little girl. Every once in a while, they would take her with them and she would be in awe of the various stars she saw, including the ones in the films in which her parents worked and appeared. One of them was one of the "Road" pictures with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope. Even though her parents usually did not bother those in the main cast, they gave in to their daughter - again, just a little girl, maybe seven, eight or nine years old - who pleaded to meet Hope and Crosby. They took her to Bob Hope first and introduced her. He pulled her onto his lap and immediately treated her as if she was the most important little girl in the world, asking all the usual questions one would of a little girl: what's your favorite school subject?, etc. When he was finished, they - and she later remembered, *very* reluctantly - took her over to Bing Crosby. With their voices shaking, they asked him if their daughter could meet him. He looked at them, looked down at her, and back at them, and then asked with an expression as cold as ice: "Do I have to touch her?".
Analyn Lahr 6 months ago (edited)
Wow. That's kind of creepy. I feel bad for any child actors who had to work with him. Hope seems like he was a good guy though. I imagine Crosby was raised in a similar fashion to how he treated his kids. Not an excuse of course but maybe an explanation.
The Majestic Opossum 6 months ago
Can confirm, Bob Hope was a really stand-up guy. My grandpa knew him and my mom said he was always very kind and funny
Load More Replies... Arenite 6 months ago
When I hear Crosby’s name all I can think is “a drunk who beat his kids”. Good voice tho’.
Caroline Overill 6 months ago
The last “Road” film with Dorothy Lamour Bing Crosby didn’t want her to be in it because he said she was too old. Bob Hope said he wouldn’t be in the film if she wasn’t.
John Purves 6 months ago
His treatment of his wife and sons from his first marriage was horrible. One of the sons wrote a book about it, called him "the hollow man."
#35
Henry Ford and his views on Jews.
Mike F 6 months ago
And how he treated the people who worked for him. He even had goons in the restrooms to make sure the people who went in were actually going to the toilet.
keyboardtek 6 months ago
He did pay his workers well. Because he wanted them to make enough to buy his cars.
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Bob Barker.
Lived to 99, beloved gameshow host who brought lovely memories to millions of television viewers for many decades.
Also fostered a toxic work environment behind the scenes. Very dismissive and demeaning to his female workers. And of course, most of the models known as "Barker's Beauties" all sued him when they left the show. They couldn't keep up and eventually settled, but Holly Hallstrom went the distance. Her legal fight lasted 10 years, she ended up homeless, but then she won and got her payout of several millions. Way to go Holly!
Seems like during his tenure it was the "old boys club" attitude and the women staff couldn't fight for their rights or defend themselves, because they were up against Barker and CBS.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
Even beating up Adam Sandler in a movie doesn't begin to make up for this.
The Darkest Timeline 6 months ago
Even if you don’t like his work, at least Sandler has a pretty solid reputation as a good dude
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Judith Agogliati 6 months ago
Barker advocated for animals and contributed to their cause. Makes him a hero in my eyes.
#37
Alexander graham bell
Tried to outlaw sign language and thought that Deaf people shouldn't have their native language. EVEN THO HIS WIFE WAS DEAF. AGB even today is an oralist Deaf organization against any use of sign language.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
And stole the telephone design from someone else and beat him to the patent office.
Ace 6 months ago
No, he did not steal the idea, A number of people had been working on it for some time, he simply patented his version first when he became aware that someone else had come up with a workable design.
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Bell's wife believed in "oralism" as well, from before they met. The notion was that by focusing on lip-reading, deaf people could remain in contact with the larger society. Not being deaf, I'll defer to those who are, but it hardly makes him a monster that he supported his wife's beliefs that she and other deaf people should learn to read lips, especially when oralism at the time was considered an alternative to eugenics!!!!
Ace 6 months ago (edited)
That's harsh, and a modern re-interpretation. At the time he was making great strides, he felt, in allowing deaf and dumb people to better integrate into society. His 'objection' (and no, he most certainly did not try to "outlaw" it) to sign language was based on the premise that he was trying to create better ways for them to communicate.
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
he was deaf himself. read into the horrendous things that he and helen keller believed in and fought to get passed...
Itsmeagain 6 months ago
Also worth noting - he did not invent the telephone, he simply got to the patent office first. A real classy gent - not!
#38
Paul Walker dated an actual teenager when he was famous and everyone loves to forget that because of Fast and The Furious.
mp7dvnrw85 6 months ago
He started dating her when she was 16 and he was 33. That’s not on his Wiki page!
Petra Peitsch 6 months ago
I don't even know, who this guy is, so I doubt, that "everyone" thinking, he is a saint. (Yes, I deducted from comments, that he is some actor in USA, but who TF cares about him? )
#39
Tupac - he r***d a woman and was convicted of 1st degree sexual a*****t for it.
Mia 6 months ago
I didn't know this! He is absolutely revered! Roping a woman is obviously very forgivable in this day and age.
BrunoVI 6 months ago
His lyrics were never anything other than the promotion of hatred, violence and misogyny.
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Be_ Heard 6 months ago
None of us want these censors. Bp isn't even American if that's what ur getting at.
Load More Replies... Camilla Koutsos 6 months ago
He was a shitstick, but I don’t approve of murder. Castration I can live with…
#40
John F Kennedy cheated on Jackie Kennedy repeatedly. His father was a philanderer as well.
LauraDragonWench 6 months ago
Considering what an absolute døuchecanoe his father was, is it any surprise that his children were twisted? Kennedy raised his sons to compete against each other, not in a healthy way, but in a "I will destroy you by any means possible to get father's approval" kind of way. Kennedy, Sr. was also a wife beater and serial philanderer, and had his daughter lobotomized simply because she tried to get out from under his thumb. And that's just a fraction of the man's faults.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
JFK's dad Joe was a N@zi sympathizer. JFK used his family connections to overcome the US armed forces' medical rejection of him so he could fight in WWII. They were very different people.
Michael Largey 6 months ago
ignored throughout childhood for the golden child Joe Jr., JFK held the same opinion of his father as you do.
Load More Replies... Analyn Lahr 6 months ago
Despite his, his brother and his father's bastardness they are probably rolling in their graves at the lunacy being displayed by RFK Jr. If anyone needs a lobotomy...
Michael Danhauer 6 months ago
I'm actually curious here not defending Kennedy. Did we ever have a single modern era president who didn't have a ton of skeletons in their closet? Seems like it's part of securing the gig. You don't get to be CiC by being a nice guy do you?
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
I don't recall anything particularly bad in that line about either of the two presidents Bush, or Biden. 🤷 Their policies - well... 😬
Load More Replies... Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
most presidents cheated on their wives...nothing new...surprised not one person mentioned marilyn monroe
Mary Fernando 6 months ago
No man essentially is innocent of philandering. Once a upon a time Popes hired prostitutes to come to the Vatican to meet their sexual needs. Nowadays they prey on the Choir boys or those in their care. This is the human thing. It happens in all levels of society.
#41
Chuck Berry was a total pervert.
Elwood Schwartz (it/that) 6 months ago (edited)
Come on... Who *doesn't* put secret cameras in women's toilets?
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
I wonder whether he was playing with his ding aling aling?
Load More Replies... Michael Danhauer 6 months ago (edited)
As per Keith Richards: I went backstage once when I was on tour with Chuck and someone asked me to tell him he was needed. So I went to his dressing room and knocked and heard Come In so I did. Chuck was eating a ham sandwich and getting orally serviced by a groupie. He said come back when Im finished. So I closed the door and then wondered if he meant the sandwich or the other thing.
Dread Pirate Roberts 6 months ago
You can kinda tell just by listening to some of his music lol
#42
Roald Dahl. Fervent antisemite who thought Hitler was spot on with his final solution.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
And all this despite being a fighter pilot and intelligence officer for the British Army during WWII???
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago (edited)
Heh. If you think British service personnel in WWII weren't given to racism, think again. I'm British. My grandparents were a similar age to Dahl. Being racist was the default position. But - and it's an important "but" - what you did with your racist attitudes made all the difference. There's the "they are different to us" sort of racism and there's the "they're less than us" sort of racism - and worse. I leave the reader to form their own judgements about Dahl; I do not defend him. I do know I never heard any of my grandparents say a harsh word about any of the non-white people who had moved to their part of London since they'd been born in the pre WW 1 era. Germans, on the other hand... (look, if you've lived through both world wars and fought in one of them, I think you're allowed)
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Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Roald Dahl - antisemitic yes; no sign he was in favour of genocide, though.
Eastendbird 6 months ago
There's currently a play in London about this "Giant" starring John Lithgow, I'm off to see it in a few weeks time.
John Purves 6 months ago
His treatment of his wife, the actress Patricia Neal, was reprehensible. Their son was horribly injured in a traffic accident. Neal then had a debilitating stroke, Dahl took up with her nurse and, I believe, married her.
#43
Not dead but Mark Wahlberg as a teen beat an Asian man and blinded him while hurling racist epithets.
Bananaramamama 6 months ago
He was 15. And he actually didn't blind him. He later met with his victim, served time and made apologies. I don't mention this as ANY sort of excuse, but it is important to know that young kids on d***s make ridiculous choices.
Petra Peitsch 6 months ago
Ridiculous choices are getting drunk and knock the garbage cans down. Being racist is not a "ridiculous" choice. If times wouldn't have been changed, he would be still now an open racist. Now, he is a hidden one.
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northernsoulgw 6 months ago
This isn’t true, even the Asian man came out to the press and clarified he didn’t blind him. He was 15 on d***s, made one mistake and has been clean ever since. Calls out the hollyweird stuff, been married for decades with no drama, kept his kids away from the spotlight. If any of you were perfect at 15 vote this up.
The Dave 6 months ago
I like how speaking the truth got downvoted. By multiple people too.
Load More Replies... The Dave 6 months ago
People can be forgiven. Mark Wahlberg has done his time, and has made lots of changes in the 30 some-odd years since this happened. I’m sure the OP wouldn’t like being criticized for the rest of their life for mistakes they made decades ago and repented and changed.
Jane Hower 6 months ago
That was then. THis is now, and he's not the same 'kid', he's a GOOD man.
Jared C 6 months ago
The person he beat almost to death because of racism?
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#44
Elvis. He literally was having s*x with a minor.
T'Mar of Vulcan 6 months ago
Priscilla has changed details of her story about their life together a few times, but has always maintained they never had s3x until marriage. That said, he groomed her.
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Kabuki Kitsune 6 months ago (edited)
There's an issue here. In the 1950's, the age of consent in Mississippi (where Elvis lived at the time) was was 15, though girls as young as 12 could have intercourse with parents' permission. He met Priscilla in germany in 1959, at a military base. At that time, the German age of consent was 16 for heterosexual partners. Though, as miliary bases don't abide by the nation's laws (being foreign territory), it's up to the relevant commanders to decide. At that time, his base's commander was using the Mississippi system. (see earlier in this post).
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
you are incorrect. there was no s*x between them till she became an adult...please check your sources.
#45
Dr. Seuss had a barely-concealed extramarital affair while he was married to Helen Palmer, who was struggling with a chronic illness that left her disabled. She k****d herself in 1967, and Seuss married his mistress eight months later.
He was also heavily in favor of the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, and drew many political cartoons during the war in which Japanese people were depicted in an incredibly racist, stereotypical manner.
Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
The cheating on his sick wife was indefensible. But, in fairness, his racism wasn't out of step with the time. Japan had done monstrous things in China, and was set to do the same throughout the Pacific. Also, internment was traditionally, and still is in some places, quite normal during war.
Ahnjunwan 6 months ago
Is that so? As far as i know most ethnic japanese were born in the US and that treatment did not apply to people of german or italian heritage.....
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Twidder Sux 6 months ago
Ted Geisel was ashmaed of his racist past after WWII. He dedicated "The Lorax" to a Japanese friend of his.
Annamarie Dodge 6 months ago
he did the same with art depicting black people as nothing more than caricatures of them in the jungles
Javelina Poppers 6 months ago
Before he was Dr. Seuss, Theodore Geisel drew lots of humorous advertising cartoons especially for an insecticide called FLIT. He was a closet racist, I had a chance to see some of his earlier works outside of advertising and he pretty much checked all the boxes.
Nola Dorothy 6 months ago
I still love his books. Except ""The Cat in the Hat". None of my kids liked those ones, either.
#46
Steve Jobs
The way he treated his Daughter and her Mother is appalling.
Cj Churchall-McKenzie 6 months ago
the invention of the smartphone has damaged society and is way more dangerous than nuclear weapons
Load More Replies... Itsmeagain 6 months ago
THREE? Wev'e had JFK twice, Henry Ford twice, but Jobs - three times! Come on BP, where are you?
#47
Kirk Douglas destroyed more than a few Hollywood actresses without punishment.
Petra Peitsch 6 months ago
The whole Douglas family. The question is: Who are considering them saints?
Who am I, where am I 🇺🇸 6 months ago
I'm sure a lot of the Hollywood people, then and now were completely undeserving of the 'Hero Worship' they received. Should have been punished instead of praised. The thing I'm wondering about is what are the people making the comments in the main posts and etc using as reference? I'm am not sticking up for anyone on this list
#48
Caroline Flack. She domestically abused her boyfriend by hitting him with a lamp while he slept. She couldn't take the heat of, rightfully, being called an a****r and committed s*****e. Her s*****e is promoted as a tragedy, while her abuse is swept under the rug. She even has a memorial bench in her hometown.
Spencer's slave no longer 6 months ago (edited)
Caroline was a British actor and reality TV host. She had struggled with mental health issues her entire adult life. She admitted hitting her boyfriend as he slept because she was convinced he was cheating. The Police charged her, despite her boyfriend not supporting any prosecution. She had zero history of domestic violence. Caroline took her own life on February 15th 2020. Just a little more perspective on what occurred and why.
Shaun Coleman 6 months ago
a****r? s*****e? The censorship is out of control. I have no idea what that even means.
weatherwitch 5 months ago
You really didn't keep up with the actual facts on this one did you?
#49
Liam payne. 1d sub bans ppl for even saying he cheated on his gf with s*x workers he refused to pay the night before he died.
Spencer's slave no longer 6 months ago
He was part of the One Direction boy band.
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#50
I highly suggest looking up "Behind the Bastards" podcast episodes on celebrities. The episode on John Wayne was the first that came to mind.
Suzy strachan 3 months ago
At least half of the people in this list have been on Behind the Bastards!!
#51
Literally, "Saint" Patrick (and his predecessor, Palladius)
Following the Standard Operational Patterns of the era, Cardinal Patrick and his forces committed religious genocide across Ireland at the behest of the then current Pope Celestine I, converting the Island at the point of the sword from paganism to Catholicism (aka "driving out the Snakes"), using converts to his beliefs to force others to either convert or be k****d.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Umm. Almost everything we know about Patrick is unprovable stories, but on the other hand, none of them involve him using violence - after all, how could one man "convert" an island filled with eager warriors at "the point of the sword"? - even if that one man had arrived with his own army (not that anyone's seriously suggesting he did). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick
Ace 6 months ago
All the writings of the time were written by the Church, so the lack of evidence is hardly surprising. There's also no evidence to suggest that he did the whole thing on his own. On the other hand, yes, as stated, forced conversion, by force, of whole countries was commonplace throughout that period of history, so on balance I think it's reasonable to assume this was no different.
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Chris the Bobcat 6 months ago
A single example of pre-Englightenment christianity mentality. And evangelicalism/southern baptist convention/pentacostalism today.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
There's no sign that early Christian missionaries preached hatred or bigotry in any form. It's an insult to compare them to modern evangelicals and southern Baptists who do just that; people who are to my mind profoundly anti-Christian. I don't know a lot about Pentacostalism.
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JFK and the Kennedys in general.
Forrest Hobbs 6 months ago
Third entry for JFK in the list. Yes all the criticisms are valid - but JFK used family connections not to avoid military service but so he could fight in WWII - despite medical disqualification. Some presidents did it the other way round...
Analyn Lahr 6 months ago
One in particular who hired JFK's lunatic nephew.
Load More Replies... John Purves 6 months ago
JFK and his brothers, during their political careers, did many commendable things. On a personal level, they were pigs.
#53
Prince. Read Sinead O’Connor’s memoir.
BrunoVI 6 months ago
I make a distinction between unrepentant monsters, monsters who were pressured into cleaning up their act, and repentant monsters who saw enough s**t and decided, "no, there's a better way." Prince was in class 3. And it wasn't "convenient"; he passed up on a lot of money to undo the misogyny he had created.
keyboardtek 6 months ago
I understand much of his music was created by all the musician friends he had who hung out with him at his studio. But he never gave them credit.
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Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
Who checks this stuff? Multiple entries for Steve Jobs, the Kennedy family, and JFK. Pointless double... and triple-ups.
Christos Arvanitis 6 months ago
Where are Woody Allen, Trump, Musk, etc? Also, maybe edit the post and not make so many duplicate entries..
StrangeOne 6 months ago
I'm going to have to go with.. dare I say it, Sid Vicious. It's amazing how many people are divided on the Nancy Spungen murder, but also divided on the type of person he was before all that. He mercilessly killed a kitten for no reason. He was violent, despite being stupid. John Lydon may say how weak and kind Sid was, but he's just being bias and doesn't want to say ill things about his late friend. Yet, Sid still has die-hard fans to this day, too, who will defend his reputation as being a lost soul who just got into doing d***s and mixed up with the wrong people.
Ed Stych 6 months ago
Such a mean-spirited and judgmental post. As Christians, we believe all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). None of us escapes that truth — not celebrities or readers of Bored Panda. While it’s important to acknowledge wrongdoing, especially when people in power harm others, we’re called to speak truth with GRACE, not scorn. Lists like this often feel more like public shaming than accountability. We should resist judgmental glee and instead pray for transformation — in them and in us.
RS 6 months ago
If Elvis gets a spot, add Bowie. Both so revered the statutory r*pes never get a mention.
Jill Rhodry 6 months ago
I have such a hard time with this - yep, it's statutory r**e and even though the girl said it was consensual it was, without doubt, exploitative and predatory. However, I pause at judging all of history with a modern mind though, things were 'different' then, just listen to some of popular lyrics at the time. No it doesn't make it right, but how much expectation should there be that the decisions made then should be the decisions we'd expect now..“I was an innocent girl, but the way it happened was so beautiful … Who wouldn’t want to lose their virginity to David Bowie?” - I just don't know, should we seperate the biography from the art?
Load More Replies... Hippopotamuses 6 months ago
Who checks this stuff? Multiple entries for Steve Jobs, the Kennedy family, and JFK. Pointless double... and triple-ups.
Christos Arvanitis 6 months ago
Where are Woody Allen, Trump, Musk, etc? Also, maybe edit the post and not make so many duplicate entries..
StrangeOne 6 months ago
I'm going to have to go with.. dare I say it, Sid Vicious. It's amazing how many people are divided on the Nancy Spungen murder, but also divided on the type of person he was before all that. He mercilessly killed a kitten for no reason. He was violent, despite being stupid. John Lydon may say how weak and kind Sid was, but he's just being bias and doesn't want to say ill things about his late friend. Yet, Sid still has die-hard fans to this day, too, who will defend his reputation as being a lost soul who just got into doing d***s and mixed up with the wrong people.
Ed Stych 6 months ago
Such a mean-spirited and judgmental post. As Christians, we believe all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). None of us escapes that truth — not celebrities or readers of Bored Panda. While it’s important to acknowledge wrongdoing, especially when people in power harm others, we’re called to speak truth with GRACE, not scorn. Lists like this often feel more like public shaming than accountability. We should resist judgmental glee and instead pray for transformation — in them and in us.
RS 6 months ago
If Elvis gets a spot, add Bowie. Both so revered the statutory r*pes never get a mention.
Jill Rhodry 6 months ago
I have such a hard time with this - yep, it's statutory r**e and even though the girl said it was consensual it was, without doubt, exploitative and predatory. However, I pause at judging all of history with a modern mind though, things were 'different' then, just listen to some of popular lyrics at the time. No it doesn't make it right, but how much expectation should there be that the decisions made then should be the decisions we'd expect now..“I was an innocent girl, but the way it happened was so beautiful … Who wouldn’t want to lose their virginity to David Bowie?” - I just don't know, should we seperate the biography from the art?
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