“Which Disney Movie Has The Worst Message?”: 30 People Don’t Hold Back
Interview With AuthorSomeday, my prince will come… Well, probably not. But according to the films I grew up on, I just need to wait a little longer! Or I might turn into an evil villain soon.
I love a good Disney movie as much as the next person, and there’s no doubt that some of them have incredible soundtracks. But once we grow up, we’re able to look at these stories a bit more critically. And it turns out that they don’t all have the best messages.
Redditors have recently been calling out Disney movies that convey questionable themes to kids, so we’ve gathered some of their valid critiques below. Keep reading to also find a conversation with the person who started this thread, and be sure to upvote the replies that you can’t help but agree with!
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I love the movie, but Mrs. Doubtfire.
The dad is and acts unhinged for no reason other than to play pity party. He throws a huge birthday bash that gets the cops called, property damage, and breaks a boundary with his wife. Apparently, he has a history of doing that so his wife is rightfully fed up with all of it AND having to clean up the mess/keep it together financially (because he quit another job due to his "morals").
The he gets hissy when he finds out his wife was completely serious in divorcing him. He gets more upset when he doesn't get joint custody (even though at the time, he had no job or decent place to live). He is motivated to get a place but doesn't bother cleaning it up for his children (you could argue the Chinese dinner scene is right after moving, but it is still s****y by the time the social worker comes).
He gets an absolute insane scheme of dressing up as a woman and lying to get close to them. Then sabotaging her dates with a nice man so he... can... win her back?? Exact revenge?
Meanwhile, the wife is trying to keep it together and take care of her kids (who are turned against her because dad is so fun and cool while she is a rule person). SHE buys the clothes. SHE buys the food and entertainment. SHE sets the school expectations, but she is a b***h for parenting?? For finding a guy who has his c**p together like an adult??
Then the kids find out and are on Dad's side because "dad is so fun and he does this insane c**p because he loves us!!!" But at no point does anyone say to him "why don't you... idk... work on your issues and clean your damn place??? Go to work and get some responsibility beyond party?"
He does get promoted (by luck) and gets caught. The judge rightfully condemns him. Dude is crazy. He was a step away from killing those kids and killing himself - that whole speech in the courtroom screams "I am mentally unstable." The mom feels bad (yeah, she made rude comments out of anger, but she DID HER PARENTING RIGHT) and gives him what he wants.
Moral of the story: act unhinged towards everyone and everyone will understand that you are right to be unhinged and give you stuff.
Almost all movies in the 90's and 00's had a 'nagging mom who doesn't know how to let up' and a 'cool but unhinged dad who knows how to have fun!' and as a kid you always side with dad, but as an adult you start to see that mom actually had a very valid point and if that's not reflective of everyday life I don't know what is.
This trope isn't really helpful for fathers either though. There is this idea that we are incompetent to raise our kids, and therefore are not deserving of custody. I have shared custody of my kids. My house is clean, my kids eat healthy home cooked meals, I get them to school, buy them their clothes, take them to appointments and other activities. I try to be fun too, but the kids have boundaries and so do I. I have a lot of advantages in that I work from home, so I can be here for them, so even when the kids are officially with their mom, they're still often here with me. I personally think the whole dumb father vs mean mother bit in sitcoms is tired.
Load More Replies...I wonder what Robbin Williams would make today if he could make a remake (edit: was I just downvoted because you think I don't know he's dead? I'm not stupid I know that and that's why I made the comment. He was a genius actor and tried to make people feel good so this is where I came from - a curious thought how he would do it today)
The bit in the courtroom speech where he says "I'd do anything for my kids" was like... bro, the things that got you here is that you *wouldn't* do thinks for your kids that they needed, rather than wanted. Fields' "THE WHOLE TIME?" scene is a thing of beauty because she really gets across ALL the emotions as she processes past events in this new life, and yet it's just thrown away because the writers wanted a happily ever after for dad, so rather than filling for sole custody, getting a restraining order, and moving to a place with security, she decided oh, what the hell, let's let my mentally unhinged ex back into my home! It's a funny movie, and Robin is his best as always... but the people who recut the trailer to show it as a horror movie are doing the world a favor.
Yeah it doesn't hold up well in 2024. The whole resolution where Mrs. Doubtfire becomes a kids show host at the end feels super contrived and unbelievable.
I refuse to watch this movie because of the incredibly warped view of safe adult behavior. He's incredibly abusive and controlling of his wife. That's the whole point of the movie is abuse 101
Not a Disney movie. Was made and distributed by 20th Century Fox. Just because Disney bought that studio in 2019, doesn't retroactively make it a Disney movie.
Any movie which pushes marrying someone you just met.
Be young, live with 7 men, do all house chores, teach all of them proper hygiene and then get poisoned because you are too kind and naive to know better, and die. Unless someone rescues you or course.
Load More Replies...Yes but when you think about it, it's based on a fairy tale. These tales were short, old and did not delve into the psychology of the characters. And what's more, these tales were often VERY violent 😨😱 Disney did well to soften Snow White and Cinderella, because it would not have been presentable to children 😆
So true! The original endings do not work out well for most of the characters.
Load More Replies...Teenage girl with horribly abusive stepparent runs away and finds sanctuary with seven men who never once become creepy.
Dopey kept wanting kisses though. Especially on the lips. He was cute though.
Load More Replies...These movies off a great opportunity to talk to you little ones about such things. I did this with my little granddaughter when she was mad about Frozen where Elsa told her young sister not to marry someone she just met. It was a great conversation, Shwe thought Elsa was just being mean but then she understood and I think she was 3.
I have a running joke with my wife that Aladdin is about a young man who lies to and gaslights a woman, but she doesn't care because he has a cool car.
To be fair, I'd tolerate a lot of s**t for access to a flying carpet. OTOH I wouldn't have bothered tolerating it for long, what with this total stranger who showed up out of nowhere that nobody cares about suddenly pops in to offer me a ride and now I have a fast, portable corpse disposal unit where I can drop a body literally anywhere in the world He doesn't even tell anyone else about it. And he clearly snuck in to see her, so nobody knows where he is or expects him back.
He lies to her; I don’t think he gaslights her. I don’t remember him lying and doing sh*t specifically to make her doubt herself and her own sanity. I am so sick of “GASLIGHTING” this, “GASLIGHTING” that. People need to stop using psychoanalytic terms when they have no clue what they mean.
For me he was just a normal young human trying to impress his crush by doing a dumb thing (aka lieing). He was a good human though. He made mistakes but was good at heart and made up for it. You would undervalue the word gaslighting if you called this it.
She was living her life in a gilded cage. Her only friend was her pet tiger, Rajah. Also, most of those princes coming for her hand in marriage were pompous jerks. See the guy who ends up losing his pants thanks to Rajah.
Load More Replies...To find out how this thread started in the first place, we reached out to Reddit user Nebraskabychoice, who posed the question, "Which Disney movie has the worst message?"
"I started the conversation because I felt that Disney movies had the reputation of just being good entertainment for kids, and I wanted to see what people's opinions were," they told Bored Panda. "Specifically, a bad message can be disguised with pretty visuals."
Not sure if it still holds but for the longest time, all Disney hero’s had American accents and villains had foreign accents. Even when they were from the same culture. Remember kids - foreigners are scary.
Ain't that the truth. This isn't just a Disney trope though. Maybe it's a throwback to WWII but you see a character with a German accent, they the bad guy.
"Ugly people are bad, pretty people are good" - pretty much 90% of Disney movies.
Villains in american media are almost always either foreign-coded or gay-coded. Sometimes both.
Villains in movies from the United States- 1) Charismatic, conniving, hyper intelligent British man 2) Crazed German Nazi or 3) Sexy Russian spy
That's an overall trope though - the bad guys are usually british or german
Live Action Mulan: Be born special and just be better than everyone else by default. That's the only way you can succeed as a woman.
BladeSoul69:
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the 2020 Mulan remake ruin the original message that a woman can be the same as a man with the same training by making her naturally gifted with Chi.
No more hard work, you just have to be born special.
ALL the Disney live actions ruined the originals.
Load More Replies...Original Mulan movie is "hard work can overcome the preconceived social order and make you into the person you want to become". A very meritocratic view of the world. The new Mulan is "each of us must fulfill the role we are destined for". For what it's worth the new movie is more in line with Confucianist ideas on social hierarchies.
Fundamentally correct. Socially they absolutely should. I want to see women on NFL teams, working oil rigs, and building roofs in the peak of summer.
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For me it's The Little Mermaid. Change everything about yourself for a guy? No thanks.
For a guy who doesn't even have the slightest idea that you existed in the first place...
The original version is worse because the prince never realizes that she was the one who actually saved him. He thinks it was a maiden from the holy temple who saved him (sort of true, she came to his aid after he was brought to shore by the mermaid) who turns out to be the princess he's betrothed to in an arranged marriage. When he sees his betrothed, he declares her to be the same girl who saved him. Also, no, it's not the sea witch in disguise this time around.
Load More Replies...I always saw it as Eric was the breaking point for her, the thing that finally tipped her hand and made her seek out her desire to be human. Notice how she was already obsessed with humans long before Eric came along. Her song even says "part of that world", not "part of your world". When she did finally get legs, notice how she basically ignores Eric and just delights in finally being a land dweller. And only starts really pursuing him at the end, and only after being pressured to by her friends so the spell will not wear off. Ariel never wanted Eric, she wanted to be human!
Exactly. Also, she only seeks Ursula out after her father destroys all her human objects. Of course, the eels also show up exactly at that time at Ursula's bidding to pursade her to seek out Ursula for help.
Load More Replies...But, but, she wanted to go where the people go. Ask them questions and get some answers.
Would you give up your voice for a man on the chance that he might love you? In the real story ( not Disney) Every step you take feels like you are walking on broken glass,is severely painful,he doesn't know she is the one who rescued him, she doesn't get the guy and dies by turning into sea foam because she refuses to kill him
It was for the chance to gain a human soul in the original tale. Not necessarily love.
Load More Replies...Some people theorize that the original Little Mermaid is an allegorical tale about Hans Christian Anderson's love for a man named Edvard Collin. Upon learning Collin was engaged to a woman, he wrote to him, "I languish for you as for a pretty Calabrian wench... my sentiments for you are those of a woman. The femininity of my nature and our friendship must remain a mystery." And it was around that time The Little Mermaid was written. Puts a very different spin on the story, doesn't it?
We were also curious to know which films the author believes share questionable messages.
"I think the worst messages, unfortunately, can be found in the older movies. Racism in Song of the South or the Jim Crows in Dumbo are obvious, but even the superficiality of Snow White - saved by a prince because she is pretty - sends unfortunate messages," they shared. "Similarly, the live action Mulan remake removed the original good message of hard work and ingenuity."
Raya and the Last Dragon is another that many readers commented on, but Nebraskabychoice noted that they haven't seen it.
The Little Mermaid - an underage girl with body issues is trafficked by an older woman and objectified by an older man.
For real. "After turning into a human, it is also revealed that the penalty of having legs is every step the mermaid takes will feel like she is walking on glass and her feet will bleed everywhere"
Load More Replies...The fairy tale that the Disney movie is based on is even darker. The penalty for the little mermaid asking for human legs is that she not only loses her voice but every step she takes on land feels like she is walking on glass. She also refuses to kill the prince and instead turns into sea foam until the sun warms her and she becomes a spirit of the air.
Teenage girl whose dad told her to stay home, snuck out and got herself into a world of trouble.
I agree. This whole movie is enabling a person with a mental health disorder who feels like she is in the wrong body….
Disney and Co should be made to make these stories as they are traditionally told before they were sanitized, they are almost all gruesome storied with incredibly dark moral lesson
And she gives you her voice for a man, not knowing whether or not he loves her
Women are generally more abusive than men if you read the HHS data.
The Lion King is my favorite movie about running away from your life's problems until you are old enough to k*ll your uncle.
Also "My uncle killed my dad!" Timon and Pumbaa: "Have you tried just not worrying about it?"
Technically, Simba never told them about it. "I don't want to talk about it." "Good, we don't want to hear about it." They only learn about Simba's backstory when Nala shows up.
Load More Replies...With litteral scenes and art from Kimba. And names. No one can convince me they didn't hear Kimba and just change one letter. Or look at the art for King Bubu and make Scar.
Load More Replies...I disagree. The moral of this story was: You might think or feel that you are happier but there is a higher calling to your life that doesn’t disappear just because you ignore or runaway from it.
To be fair, Simba had to get the hell out of Dodge if he didn't want Scar to go all Richard III on him.
I mean it’s either that or get killed by your uncle, so a tactful retreat until you can actually do something is a pretty good strategy. Also, the whole message of the movie is to NOT run away from life’s problems. Simba tries that and his pride comes to bring him back, and his dad talks some sense into him.
Cinderella.
Poor woman with no hope in sight meets rich man, spends part of an evening dancing with him, neither of them have any idea who the other person really is, but when he finds her again, they are instantly married and just when the real story and character development could take place, that's the end, of course happily ever after.
Boys: your goal is to be a wealthy provider, and then you'll be happy because you'll have a pretty woman...
Girls: find a rich, charming man and he will take care of you and you'll be happy the rest of your life.
And neither are going to do well in relationships if they internalize this message.
Who the hell cares about the dance and the glass shoe?? The disfuncional family is sickening! And blame the evil stepmother. Not any single kid will even try to accept dad's new wife because of this.
The "evil stepmother" trope always puzzled me and made me kinda mad. My stepmother was a wonderful woman.
Load More Replies...On the positive side we learn it is good to be kind to animals and amazing things can be done with vegetables.
After a short, bewildering, and colourful internal detour towards distincly *non Disney* veggie topics I realize you probably meant the pumpkin that became a coach...?
Load More Replies..."I want to marry her!" "Ok, so what's her name so we can go and.." "Not a clue" "Can you recognize her if you saw her?" "Nope, but she's a size 4" "Ok, that will have to do. What did you talk about all night anyway?" "Nothing we just stared and dance" "wtf??!!!"
In the original story( the sisters cut off pieces of their feet to try to fit the slipper) They also get their eyes pecked out by birds
They also weren't depicted as ugly. They were beautiful with deceitful hearts.
Load More Replies...Original story is even worse. He doesn't even recognize her after dancing with her FOR HOURS! But takes her half-sister because that girl cuts the part of her foot to fit in the glass shoe (self-mutilation that would almost for sure kill her), thinking it's the same girl. How? You looked at her face from like up close distance? I think in the movie too he relies on the stupid shoe instead of a face and voice of a girl he literally spent the whole evening with!
There's a version where the prince KNOWS it's not the right girl but the decree is that he'll marry the girl who the shoe fits regardless of who she is, so he has to go with it. Fortunately, a bird helps him out.
Load More Replies...No. Work hard in shïttiest of conditions, say no word and you will be rewarded. Karma and shït. Karma and pearl and golden gates do not exist, kids, don't believe fairy tales.
This is why I like Into the Woods’s version of Cinderella. She takes the time to get to know the guy before she marries him, and even then…I don’t want to spoil too much about the show
The fact that he couldn't even recognize her. He needed to test every woman's show size
On the other hand, we wanted to know which Disney movies convey the best messages.
"I enjoy the movies Mulan and Princess and the Frog," they shared. "[Their] messages show the value of honor, hard work and ingenuity. I also enjoy Beauty and the Beast because it shows how people can change and the value of kindness. My favorite Disney film remains The Lion King, but that is really just a retelling of Hamlet with stellar visuals and an amazing voice cast."
I'm going to make a very controversial pick and say "Inside Out". But with a heavy caveat. Only in regards to boys/men. The emotions of women when shown are complex and deep. The male counterparts were gag jokes and stereotypes.
I so agree, especially at the end where Riley bumps into a boy and his emotions are all ABORT MISSION ABORT MISSION GIRL GIRL GIRL, while she just shrugs, as if girls that age all have it figured out or can't be heavily interested in boys as well.
I think she just hadn’t hit that stage of puberty yet.
Load More Replies...Okay, but the very end of that movie, the Cat's emotions were so spot on. For those who missed it or don't remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ua6dSOYM2w
I can't pass over inside out 2. Riley's reactions about completely banal issues are too over the top.. i mean..Anxiety full on control because the girl is on HOLIDAYS and will play a game? All that drama over this? Come on, i could understand if Riley had a real issue.. like being bullied, or had a real trauma like loosing parent or a sibling.. or had to endure a school shooting.. But I just couldn't stop thinking "cristal generation"
I think when you don't have real problems you tend to focus on small problems. I am not saying it's right, but she is a kid, I mean what she will know being this young? For teenagers finding oneself and acceptance into the group is pretty much the biggest problems. As we grow older we get smarter.
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They had to repeatedly assure people the message of The Hunchback of Notre Dame was not, "Be grateful for the pretty girl's friendship and step aside for your handsome friend, because that's clearly the best you can hope for."
I wouldn't see how it would be better if they came together, the way it goes makes his character development so much better (he risks his life to save her despite there being no romantic reward at the end)
Much as I dislike the "you're too ugly to be with pretty" lesson - at least Quasimodo is allowed to be the hero despite being ugly. Whenever an ugly woman stars she gets the duckling to swan number: "we'll clean you up nice, and then you'll look the part of main character".
What I really like is that they basically start and end the movie with the question "Who is a monster and who is a man"
Load More Replies...What's brown and wrinkly and carries your lunch into Church? The Lunchbag of Notre Dame.
I watched a black and white Hunchback movie as a kid and was traumatized for life. I know it's Disney but I haven't watched it simply because of that. I've seen him die once, I don't care how you twist the story I'm still mourning him.
The Charles Laughton version, which ends with his lingering question "Why??" and left me weeping for days, every time I thought about it. It still haunts me too.
Load More Replies...It's actually a good movie. Unfortunately they were constrained by the ending of the original story. It is a fun retelling, with good comedy and music.
Load More Replies...No one gonna mention the villain singing a song basically saying she will be my mistress or I'll off her
Hellfire is absolutely awesome though. They don’t make villain songs like that anymore.
Load More Replies...To be fair, when you are into someone and they are into someone else, give it up. Best you can do is be a good friend. If that changes in your favor, YEEHAA but if you spend your life hoping they'll see the diamond that you are, you are going to have a lonely life.
I dare Disney to redo this closer to the book, Phoebus is a jerk, Esmerelda dies, Quasimodo dies, and another character who didn't show up in the cartoon marries the goat. Victor Hugo had some issues, boy.
I assume that the character who marries the goat isn't another goat?
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"Wish", easily.
copper-feather:
I believe this movie would have worked better if they had tried to go with the message "Not every wish should be granted".
Instead they went with the message "There are no bad wishes, only bad genies".
That movie was so sad to see. The animation was bland, none of the side characters (like the friends) were memorable or interesting, so the main character had no interesting interactions. The main character (what was her name again?) had a personality copy-and-pasted from pretty much every other princess, except she had no backstory or explanation for why she was the way she was. The king was like “I see how you care about those around you” but it never even showed how she fit into that community at all, and when she had her whole dramatic song about wanting something more, all that had been shown of her life was pretty much great. Also the villain was barely evil. It makes me sad because it could have been so much better as well, they just played it safe and didn’t include anything “bad”. I’m not a Disney hater, I love disney and wish they would do better.
Disney pooched this one for sure. They tried too hard to make the perfect story by combining the best parts of everything and it failed. You can't write a winning story starting out with "what do most people want to see".
Yeah, basically ruin your otherwise perfect community just because you can go over your own entitlement. I wish this movie never was
As for what Nebraskabychoice thought of the replies to their post, they enjoyed most people's reasonings.
However, they added that a lot of people missed the point of certain movies. "In Beauty and the Beast, there is no Stockholm Syndrome as we understand it. Rather, this movie is about the Beast learning and changing until he becomes loveable."
"Similarly, The Princess and the Frog is not about Tiana's need for a rich boyfriend, but about her balancing her ambition with human connections," the author explained. "And similar to Beauty and the Beast, the prince is not loveable until he learns the value of work."
I'm not a fan of the end of Encanto, where the message seems to be forgive your narc Abuela even though she made everyone miserable.
She was, but until you have lived with that kind of violence, and the sense of guilt you feel when you're privileged to escape it, it's hard to judge her. I have to remind myself to not judge my own children too harshly when I might think they are being selfish. They don't have that same sense of guilt, or the overwhelming need to constantly prove your own worth to society and that you do deserve to live when others did not get that opportunity.
Load More Replies...Abuela sincerely apologized and owned up to her mistakes and took accountability and promised to better herself for the family. It is possible for a toxic family member to change. If they don’t, of course don’t forgive them but abuela did.
Uhhh… That’s kind of the point. The abuela realizes her toxicity and recognizes her need for changed behavior as the matriarch of the family, thus deserving the forgiveness.
Hey! At the end, Abuela has seen the error of her ways that she committed out of love for her babies. Not everyone was miserable. It was a realistic portrayal of loving people failing to see their loved ones for who they are and not for what you expect from them.
Not really. Encanto is about realizing everything you don't want to accept because pretending is more important
I never really understood the message in Encanto, but I guess I'm just a bit dense
I'm sorry, this person is objecting to the message "forgive people when they realise they have caused harm, and try to make amends"? What would OP rather have? "Hold onto your seething resentment forever, until you are bitter, twisted and alone"?!
Though it was my fav growing up, Sleeping Beauty should probably be on this list.
Takeaway messages:
A) The gifts the fairies are bestowing upon infant-Aurora are all superficial (until the last one). Being pretty > being smart, kind, healthy, etc
B) It's a-ok for a dude to kiss an unconscious woman. In fact, it makes you a real man, a hero even.
Do the people complaining about some of the Disney movies realise they're based on century old fairy tales? (Earliest known version of the Cinderella story is about 2000 years old - perhaps it can be expected to not be entirely modern?)
Based on but does not follow them. They take a nugget of them and change up a lot. Sleeping Beauty for example. He actually raped her while she's comatose, she gets pregnant, and it's the baby that wakes her up. Not even close. The Little Mermaid may get her legs but every step hurts and she doesn't get the guy or her voice back. Waaaaay different. So what part would you like Disney to follow? Commenters are noting the bad messages in films that were already heavily edited. If we can edit out the comatose rape and birth, why can't we change the message? If Ariel gets her voice back and gets the guy, why can't other parts be changed as well? What part can we change for you to make your comment accurate? Edit: corrected my awfully messed up mistake that the prince had sex with her while she's comatose when it was actually rape. I'm so sorry for the mistake. I know better. I would blame reading and commenting at 5am but I have no excuse.
Load More Replies...But the kiss is the only thins to wake her up. It's like giving someone CPR.
I wonder what her personality, talents, and looks would have been without the gifts...Quasimodo truffles with Gaston-Frollo filling?
I'd argue that point B) could be seen as medical aid to get her and Snow White out of coma, but outside of the "true love's kiss" magical stuff it's only acceptable for people close to drowning to get mouth-to-mouth unasked
Sleeping Beauty for making it seem like the princess’s only role is to be rescued by a prince, which can feel pretty outdated.
BP is not the place for logical or critical thinking. It is where the sheep go so they won't be accused of thinking lol. I come here to make myself feel better because of the responses from mostly unhinged people.
Load More Replies...In one version while she was sleeping a king SA her, she got pregnant and had twins. One of the babies helped her wake up. The wife found out the kids were his and she and the kids came to visit. She was going to have the babies cooked into a soup and fed to the King. He had her killed and married the Princess instead.
All original Disney stories are .. different.. in a bad and grotesque way..
Load More Replies...I mean, at least in the disney version she actually woke up after the kiss. In the original story she fell asleep because a wheat kernel or something got stuck under her finger nail. The Prince saw her, fell in love and took her body home with him where he used her body to father a couple of children, all while she was still sleeping. She only woke up when one of the kids sucked on her finger and dislodged the wheat kernel.
Actually, it was a piece of flax and the king basically just found her in the forest while out hunting, raped her, and left. It's not until he returns later on when he discovers that she's awake and with kids. Also, he's actually already married. His wife is NOT happy and is villainized in this story.
Load More Replies...Just sleep, tomorrow will be another day... And if not, just sleep for 100 years and then no one would even remember what the problem was
When my brother and I watched this movie for the first time as adults, he went, "Huh. She literally doesn't do very much, does she? The main characters are the fairies, really."
Finally, Nebraskabychoice added, "I think first of all, these movies are meant to be entertaining. Disney did not create the message of Snow White but used pre-existing folk tales. But in the context of creating entertainment, I think it is important to be aware of what is being put into the world."
Does Rise of Skywalker count?
After Last Jedi set up a message of "It doesn't take being born special or being part of a certain bloodline to make a difference," Rise of Skywalker went "LOL NEVERMIND, ONLY THE SUPER SPECIAL PEOPLE BORN INTO THE SUPER SPECIAL FAMILIES CAN BE COOL, AND PEOPLE WILL ONLY LISTEN TO THE FAMOUS CELEBRITIES IF YOU NEED HELP!!!"
God what a sh**show of a movie.
Yeah, forget about learning journey and auto sacrifice for a great cause... Just born special and you automatically deserve everything because of your special breed, blood, and race. Great
Because disney owns Star Wars now, Leia is officially a Disney Princess.
Thank goodness she didn't live to be ashamed of this.
Load More Replies...Seems like a disney overlap between new Mulan and this.... Could it be the same writers were involved.... If this were Reddit, someone would find out...lol
Not like Star Wars hadn't already done something like that. Anakin could have just been a nobody kid who happened to be highly gifted with the Force, but no. Lucas turned him into Space Jesus, literally born of the Force itself getting its mack on with his mom.
And even that got redconned - also he isn't special anymore since the Acolyte established that lesbian space witches (no joke) did create children out of the force on a regual basis 1.000 years before him
Load More Replies...Funny thing, if star wars fans weren't such awful people, lucas would never have sold the franchise to disney. but they are, so he did. deal with it.
A lot of them are bad, but I've always struggled with The Princess and the Frog.... *Amazing* hard working woman, so close to achieving her dreams, has to learn to....calm down on her bad*ss work ethic to make room for a guy who hasn't worked a day in his life? Don't love it. I *expect* the classics to be awful. It's more jarring when the main character is fully competent and prepared to make her dreams come true without a man.
Doesn't she tell him so? That he's a freeloader who never did anything except chase girls and spend money, and that's what makes him step up and better himself? In the end, she DOES make her dreams come true without Naveen, he's just there on the sideline if I remember correctly.
Yes but she can't buy the restaurant b/c she's extorted on the cost. She is able to meet their price with access to his money.
Load More Replies...She achieved her dreams and worked for them. But she also learned to not burn herself for that but to enjoy life. That's what I got from the movie
But she didn't achieve her dreams until she had access to his wealth. She couldn't buy the building b/c she was black and the sellers extorted her. She married the prince and THEN had the sellers' asking price.
Load More Replies...I strongly disagree with this one. I loved this movie, such a strong driven lady! Just needed a reminder to enjoy life more; not only work, work, work.
But the important thing is that she became a princess when she married.. right?
I havent seen the movie but isnt this the trope of most lifetime romance movies? Highly successful female in the city goes back to small town and finds love and a meaningful life ? If you are femake and successful you are either miserable orsuch a witch you dont realise your living a bad life. Ugh.
Pinocchio. People think the message is “don’t lie,” but Pinocchio is punished for lying when he’s actually telling the truth as he understood it. Meanwhile, people are luring children, then trafficking them as slaves after turning them into donkeys. That guy doesn’t get punished, neither does the man who tries to abduct Pinocchio for his traveling puppet show. People won’t believe you and the world is filled with criminals who will exploit you and get away with it. That’s the message. Later, Pinocchio saves Gapeto from a fish, thereby proving his selflessness and the blue faire turn him real. The message there is clear. The only way you’ll be rewarded is to obey your parents even if you have no clue how the world works, and don’t expect anyone to guide you, especially not a useless cricket.
Boys turning into donkeys and a man living inside a fish? I've been rewarded for *not* obeying my parents. People have different life experiences.
Load More Replies...What most people don't know is that in the original story, Pinocchio killed the cricket in the beginning of the story. There is no "conscience" to guide him through his adventures. At one point the cricket comes back as a ghost to chide him, but the cricket never has that big of a role as Jiminy does. Also, this movie is realistic. The villains, including Honest John and Gideon, get away with their crimes. Villains aren't always caught and punished.
I read the book in fifth grade for a few weeks from our school library. Thought it was awesome and insane at the same time.
Load More Replies..."The only way you’ll be rewarded is to obey your parents even if you have no clue how the world works..." I mean, that is why you're supposed to obey your parents when you're a child. You have no clue how the world works; it is their job to teach you, because they do (are supposed to, at least). I don't get what about that is supposed to be a bad message?
In the original story Pinocchio kills Jimney Cricket.Hes actually a horrible character
When I was a kid, HBO used to air an English dubbed version of Saban’s Adventures of Pinocchio. This anime series was loosely based off the original story and despite the American version being heavily censored at times, it was still very dark and while Pinocchio would learn lessons throughout, he was often a despicable little s**t. There’s one episode where a cat convinces Pinocchio to kill one his classmates because if he took the boy’s heart, he’d become human. The censored version left out that the cat was pissed off at this particular boy because he killed her kittens in the past. The English dub still kept in everything else though including the fact that Pinocchio’s classmate was feeling suicidal.
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Not really a message, but Parent Trap was just creepy to me.
A couple is married and the wife has twins. Then they get divorced soon after the births. Each gets custody of one child and move far apart from the other. Not only do the girls have zero contact with their other parent, they aren’t even told they have an identical twin sister.
That story is from a children's book of the 1930s, and the author (Erich Kästner) was a big advocates for children's rights.
I love Kästner, but the book doesn't translate well to present day conditions and parenting/child raising standards. Then again: most of what I've seen from Roald Dahl's to Dr. Seuss' works isn't to my liking in that respect, either (and wasn't when I was a kid).
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Individually the messages of Wreck It Ralph and Wreck It Ralph 2 are fine. Together it's incoherent. Why does Ralph have to learn to accept his position in life but Vanelope get to live her dream in a different game? The two movies have diametrically opposing messages and it drives me insane.
Because Venelope is a princess. She DESERVES to get her dreams come true. Who cares about anyone else?
I've always viewed these as working hard until you're happy with your life. Ralph 1: Ralph feels alone and forgotten in the dump. Goes on quest to retrieve medal to change this. Meets princess and learns true friends will accept you as you are, no changing needed. Ralph 2: Vanallope is bored with her predictable life. Life becomes unpredictable and she finds where she wants to be. They support each other in pursuing their best life and stay connected so their friendship is still strong. As Shank says being best friends doesn't mean you have to want the same thing.
I think in the first movie Ralph was main character and in the second it was Venelope. And these are more like two different stories, at least for me. But what I personally learnt from the second film is that NOT ALL friends dream about the same things and that it is ok to part and still be friends. We are different and we have different things we struggle with and for Ralph in first movie it was acceptance who he is. Venelope didn't had this issue - she pretty much was ok with being glitch and different. She was sad but she accepted herself. Ralph was angry and he wanted to be someone who he wasn't.
Just guessing here but it might be because Ralph is one of the two main characters in his game and it just isn't playable without him wrecking stuff (as in the first movie) while Vanellope is "just" one racer in hers and players can still play the game with no issues and just choose another racer.
Everyone's going for the classics, here's a more recent one:
Raya and the Last Dragon.
You should have faith and trust everyone, even the woman who stabbed you in the back and has shown repeatedly that she cannot be trusted.
MysteryGirlWhite:
Raya was apparently "you have to learn to trust others", even though the movie has her being betrayed over and over again
I don't think that was the message. The message was that everybody is governed by fear and distrust. Villains are not just evil people. They are normal people who happen to be on the other side of a dispute. In order to really understand the world, you have to recognize that about each other, and be able to see the world from the other person's perspective.
i mean especially towards the end, she kept bringing up/a big part of her character was she had trust us she’s
I thought the message was make a stupid-looking fluffy "dragon" that looks like a Pokemon reject. Asian dragins are badass, not fluffy!
Raya is the main reason her whole kingdom perished. "Now you are the sacred guardian, protect the most important secret".. and she literally runs to the first person she finds to gossip about everything! No wonder Disney is about to bankruptcy
Wut? Disney is absolutely nowhere close to bankruptcy. What have you been smoking?
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Tinkerbell in Peter Pan, what a mean girl bully.
She hangs out with Peter, who is an a*****e. I'd be surprised if she were kind & friendly.
Peter Pan kidnaps children, and when they grow up, he kills them so that they don't become pirates. At least, that's how it is in the books. They sort of skipped over that in the movie and just went for blatant racism instead.
I thought the pirate thing was just a theory. Yet the book did darkly hint that Peter would "thin out" his Lost Boys when they grew too old or there were too many of them. Don't know if he flat out killed them or not though.
Load More Replies...I always hated Tinkerbell. What an idiot. You're 5 inches tall - how are you gonna be Peter's gf? Go find some hawt pixie boy!
Yes, and Peter was selfish and thoughtless. And Wendy loved him but had to accept that he would forget her because he couldn't be bothered to remember a friend once she was no longer a romantic interest.
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Little Mermaid.
She left her family and her world and sacrified too much for someone she didn't even know because he was handsome.
She was 15 (originally; she was 16 according to Disney). Acting the way she did was in her job description.
The real moral of the Disney "Little Mermaid" is that girls go bat-guano crazy over their first bf and think they are in love and should marry him. 🙄
I always felt the moral was teenagers gonna be teenagers, but parents need to watch how they deal with teenagers. If her dad had acted with understanding and compassion, Ariel wouldn't have gone to the witch.
So many things I hate about this movie (the animated one; I still haven't gotten to see the live action one, so idk how similar they are). Ariel isn't even likeable. She's a spoiled, selfish brat.
Beauty and the beast. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest.
It's NOT Stockholm Syndrome though. Belle starts to genuinely like the Beast after he rescues her from the wolves--which he did because he was worried about her, not because she ran away. He also starts (unknowingly) changing for her because he genuinely cares about her. An abductor wouldn't do that. Also, Belle comes back to save him because she really did love him. She was also being blackmailed into something she didn't want from Gaston, but she still came back to save him afterwards.
"Notice how the Beast reacts when the whole town comes for him. He's not angry, he's SAD. He's tired. And he almost gives up because he has nothing left to life for. But then he sees that Belle has come back for him, and suddenly he does. In the original fairy tale, the Beast asks Belle to marry him every night, and the spell is broken when she accepts. In the Disney movie, he waits for her to love him, because he cannot love himself."
Load More Replies...Ironically the disney version is pretty much the only adaption where this ISN'T the case.
In the original tale, Beauty eventually becomes accustomed to the Beast's nightly visits, but dreads them at the same time because every night, he asks her to marry him. It's only at the end of the story where he's dying, that she declares that she'll be his wife, which breaks the spell.
Load More Replies...I couldn't find the original post, this was the best I can. But Beauty and the Beast is NOT Stockholm Syndrome. This analysis tells it far better than I ever can. It is a very important read. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/5207355813728066/
An important clip from the article, "Notice how the Beast reacts when the whole town comes for him. He's not angry, he's SAD. He's tired. And he almost gives up because he has nothing left to life for. But then he sees that Belle has come back for him, and suddenly he does. In the original fairy tale, the Beast asks Belle to marry him every night, and the spell is broken when she accepts. In the Disney movie, he waits for her to love him, because he cannot love himself."
Load More Replies...It's the very beginning of this movie that bothers me. Beast was cursed by an old witch when he was 11 because he wouldn't let her in his house when his parents weren't home.
The one thing the live action film remedied (probably the only thing) is that the prince is not a child when the enchantress comes to curse him. He's already an adult.
Load More Replies...Because the castle, library and servants wouldn't be appealing to Bellle. Abusing the prince's dependency on her affection to liftt the curse also wouldn't be of any importancy to the story - There are always two sides for interpretation
The original "Beauty and the Beast" was written by Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve and published in 1740, though it has traditional overtones (as far back as Cupid and Psyche). The 18th century French lady may have been thinking of girls in her own class who were married young, and not necessarily to men of their own choice. The story says, "Yes it is scary when you have to leave your family and live with a strange man, who might not even speak French with the same accent as you do - but - you will get a certain amount of indpendance, and some nice new dresses, and jewels and he will be kind, and gradually it won't seem too bad at all."
Is it just me or was the Beast prettier and had a more interesting voice before his transformation into a prince? 😅 When I was young I was weird...
B&B offended even my dog especially the wolf killing scene when you saw a close up of a wolf suffering before he died
Wasn't Cars 2 the one where the disabled were the villains?
Lisija123:
Yes, the "lemons" were demonized throughout the entire movie for using fossil fuel. Even though that's not their fault, that's just how their body works. They didn't choose to be born (built?) as lemons.
It's not as simple as this. The "Lemons" (the disabled cars) we're not just trying to stand up for themselves, they were taking revenge and trying to make others fear them. They blew up cars that used alternative fuels so that no one would trust alternative fuels, and the Lemons could profit off of the giant oil source they had found. They tried to kill people that investigated this. But not all the Lemons are the bad guys, it's just a small group. The movie even has a scene at the beginning of the good guys helping one of the Lemons out. Why do I know all this? My Autistic little brother was obsessed with Cars 2. I realized that it's actually a shockingly good movie. Still a little strange that it's rated "G" though.
Coco and Encanto tells you that your family will immediately and substantially change their negative behaviors if given logic information.
I didn't get that from either of those movies. Maybe I am stupid though
Me neither, and I absolutely adore both movies!
Load More Replies...Coco tells you you have to fight for your dreams. Miguel first tries logic with his family and he failed to the point he has to go to the Other World to find someone to help him ! It's not that simple at all and logic has nothing to do here. His family changes when they finally hear the truth. And for Encanto, I don't know where you see any logic information in a world made of magic... Abuela Alma has to see her whole family and her entire house being destroyed before she finally understand the problem may not be just her grand-daughter. She doesn't listen to logic but to her own love for Mirabel to find her and finally tell her how she became who she is. Those 2 movies are about the importance of communication and the difficulties to deal with grief.
Hot take, but Encanto.
People who are mistreating you are simply under pressure, misunderstood, and/or doing what they think is best for everyone. Redemption and forgiveness is always possible.
As someone who has lived for far too long around families like this, I can tell you that Abuela's character arc was completely unrealistic and unbelievable. If they replaced Abuela with Mother Gothel from Tangled, it would be such a better movie.
It is not. I think it is the second best Disney movie right after the original Mulan
Load More Replies...I've always said that the most unbelievable thing about this movie regarding a magical candle family is that Abuela would ever EVER have apologized and come around - at least never that quickly. You can't be that engrained in your mission and just heel-turn like that.
I hear you but you have to admit it took her 50 years, one son, all her family's magic, a yelling son-in-law AND the total destruction of her house to finally admit she may have a problem to her runaway grand-daugther...
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Oliver and Company: The best way to free yourself of money payments is not to learn how to be better with handling money but to k*ll your creditor. You just gotta make it look circumstantial.
It's a cartoon version of Oliver Twist and I have no problem with unaliving (love that BP censorship) predatory money lenders. Plus the Huey Lewis centered sound track slaps.
I love, love, love Up, and think it has great messages about love, unlikely friendships and giving people a chance. But just lately, “scientists are the villains” didn’t do the world any favors. Also, trophy hunters were right there if they needed a villain who hunts the last rare bird.
"But just lately, "scientists are the villains"..." Lately? That trope has been in the game for a long time. Adrian Griffin, Dr. Moreau, Dr. Octopus, Dr. Doom, Poison Ivy, Frankenstein (although for some, the jury is still out on that one). Hell, even Maggie Walsh! And that's just off the top of my head.
I think they meant: lately, more people are convinced that scientists are villains, and the (older) narrative in movies is not helping (right now,)
Load More Replies...Except Muntz wasn't a scientist and the film doesn't even try to portray him as such. Even if you interpret him as one, it's pretty clear that when we meet him he's so far from science at that point.
Muntz is basically the human version of Wile E. Coyote. He's obsessed with this giant bird and will do anything to get it!
Load More Replies...Hated this movie - all his wife of 50 yrs wanted was to go to India - they had no children but he still never took her. BUT, the minute she dies, he finds a way to India - why didn't he save up during those decades and fulfilled her life's dream? Selfish old coot
It wasn't India, it was South America. They did try to save up for it, but life kept getting in the way and they had to use their savings for other things. Also, by the end of the movie, Carl finds out that his wife considered him to be her adventure and that he should start a new one now.
Load More Replies...Why should the message "trophy hunters are general good people" be transmitted? Trophy hunting is cruel, dumb and nowhere an activity to be connected with a positive message. So the message in the movie was correct: Trophy hunters are evil people.
The OP didn't say trophy hunters are good people. The OP complained that the scientist is made into the villain despite there being a straight up villain in the trophy hunter. Given the easy choice of putting all the antagonism on the trophy hunter, the OP complains the film makers chose to dump on a scientist instead.
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Blank Check.
bruingrad84:
Taught me to spend all my money fast before the authorities take it back…. The dumb And dumber philosophy.
Plus isn't this the one where a fully grown woman kisses him on the lips at the end? It's been a long time, but I thought it was disturbing.
And doesn't she tell him to call or look her up when he is older?
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Someone once pointed out that the lion king is a very pro monarchy authoritarian story but in the original the animation is so beautiful you can look past that. But in the remake you’re forced to realize what the story is like.
My senior english teacher was so far down the "I'm retiring, I don't care anymore" road that instead of reading Hamlet, we watched The Lion King instead :D
Load More Replies...What are you talking about? I can't tell what you're even responding to. First off, being against feminism never made sense to me, unless you honestly believe that women are not deserving of equal rights under the law. So maybe I am insane for believing that women are just as human as I am. And secondly, why would you equate feminism and anti-authoritarianism? What do they have to do with each other? You are the first person I have ever downvoted, and I am not offended by your rant against feminism, but by your incoherence of your statement.
Load More Replies...High school musical 2: be jealous of your friend whose hard work is paying off for them. Whine and b***h that he didn’t get to come to your cookout because he was being recruited by a college basketball team, and, as a group, put a lot of pressure on him to feel guilty. Be even more pissed off because someone you don’t like has connections, and he’s able to take advantage of those connections. Bring him down to your level!
Yeah. Just be mediocre so friends don't fell hurt for not being capable of hardworking
Chicken Little.
It effectively amounted to 'People will only believe you if you are popular and successful regardless of the truth.' That may have not been their *intended* message, but it's what it amounted too. Though so much of that was also having one of the worst dads in Disney history as a major character.
I mean… being popular and successful absolutely makes you more likely to be believed and trusted. It’s not universal, but it’s objectively true. I’ve noticed some of these posts are people just upset with reality.
Glad this one made the list. I hate this movie with the fire of a thousand suns. And Chicken Little also managed to be the wet fart in the otherwise great Kingdom Hearts 2.
The actual message of Frozen is good, but the song Fixer-Upper stands out as something they really should have been cut in favor of more storytelling. Replace that song with a scene of Anna regaining her memories or at least learning the truth about her past from the trolls and suddenly the whole movie is a 10 instead of an 8.
"Our son kind of sucks but you can fix him" is just a terrible song and it's played for laughs on purpose so take my ranting with a grain of salt.
I don't know about this one. If you listen to all of the lyrics, it's basically saying that the negative things about him (and her in the end) are superficial and that people sometimes behave badly when they're sad or scared or stressed but if you support someone they can learn to become their best selves. They even say "We're not saying you can change him because people don't really change".
But then they say “people make bad choices when they’re mad or scared or sad, but throw a little love their way, and they’ll bring out their best!” Which seems to be the opposite of what they just said. It’s the “I can fix him” mentality. Sure, some people fix themselves when shown love and compassion and respect, but other times it can trap someone in a cycle of abuse.
Load More Replies...Well.. Elsa couldn't accept who she was, she was distancing herself from people and even her sister. And when things went stray she ran away from situation and all her problems. Of course she became FREE and happy and cold never bothered her anyway.. but yeah - Lets just run from your problems and people who depend on you (and whole kingdom because you are a queen). No biggie - I decided not to be responsible anymore. And Anna - comes and finds her and she like a VICTIM goes on how hurt she is because.. well - she hurts other people... Narsicistic as f. Even Anna has some gems - I want to marry the man I just met.
I think most Disney and Pixar movies promote extreme individualism over collectivism, which I’m not much of a fan of. Many also promote this fallacy of a “true self” and self actualization over the reality that our selves are mutable, complex and constantly changing. To be fair these points tend to be the default western philosophy, but I’d love to see a feel-good Disney movie that espouses the importance of social cohesion and the dangers of self-worship and extreme individualism.
Cars. McQueen is a narcissist who learns other people and community matter
"From the point of view of banal erudition, not every individual who critically metaphysites abstractions is able to refute the tendencies of paradoxical emotions." Tell me you fancy yourself brilliant without telling me you fancy yourself brilliant 🙄
The disney movie about superheros and sidekicks, Sky High, is basically about class warfare and eugenics. "Youre either born a sidekick or a superhero" is kinda enough.
Worst literal message: The Fox & the Hound boiled down to, "It's cute if you want to be friends but let's face it, some differences are insurmountable and ultimately there's just less conflict with segregation, amirite? Let's just agree to like each other while being very, *very* segregated."
Worst overall message: Tomorrowland (because it was f*****g incomprehensible).
WTAF? It's about a foxhound pup used to hunt foxes, making friends with a fox kit, wanting to be friends and keep each other safe. Making it about segregation is ludicrous. It's about kids making friends. That's it. End of.
No it's not. Once they're grown, they cannot be friends. At the end, they have to separate. They don't stay friends b/c of the world they're born into and who they are as animals, which is diametrically opposed. The end is utter devastation.
Load More Replies...No, it’s about how kids don’t see biases and borders like how adults do, and we should strive to be more like the kids.
Ironic, because that's the modern-day Left. Oh wait! No, they were also the party of KKK and Jim Crow, so really nothing has changed.
I'm sorry in advance, I swear this is not a contrarian take; but the message in "Soul" always rubbed me the wrong way. It always seemed tantamount to a billionaire telling a homeless person "money doesn't buy happiness pal." I mean, it's a movie made by successful film makers and writers telling people who aren't able to accomplish their dreams often due to just s****y luck and circumstance to just be content with their lives. It's like the barber that fell into his job because he couldn't afford veterinary school but he's happy anyway because...he's just learned to accept his life and enjoy it...okay? I'm sure that's a comfort to people stuck working in jobs that they hate through no fault of their own consuming 90% of their lives.
I get it's trying to say that everyone has a reason to live, even if it's just to spend every day eating pizza and collecting leaves or something innocuous like that. We find out that 22 doesn't feel she deserves to be alive because she isn't talented or special with a traditional "spark" and she learns that she doesn't need to be, to be given life, just being herself is enough. Joe learns that after he achieves his "dream" and lives his spark and feels empty and unfulfilled that it's not the be all and cure all for sadness and depression....
Nevermind...I think I answered my own question...I believe I just might like this movie now...
Anyone else got an impression that the author was stoned when they wrote this? Or is it just me...?
I kind of get what you mean, but the barber actually ended up liking being a barber, and dreams can change. Your second paragraph is on point ;)
Mr. Magoo. They got so much backlash from the blind/visually impaired community that they had to put a disclaimer at the beginning saying the character did not accurately represent people with poor eyesight.
I forgot this one existed. I'm old enough to remember the original cartoons. I have no idea how anyone would think this would fly in the 21st century.
I remember those too, although not first time around. They were very cheaply made! I call my partner Mrs Magoo when she drives, because she sits forward and over the steering wheel like Mr Magoo.
Load More Replies...'Dumbo' sends an outdated and insensitive message about exploiting physical differences for entertainment.
I watched Dumbo once as a kid and never wanted to see it again. So much meaness.
Isn't it precisely to denounce this mistreatment? (referring to the sad story of Jumbo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo) And to prove that even if we are different from our peers, we can manage to do something extraordinary? In Dumbo's case, he uses his large ears, described as "defects", as a quality: to fly. I think it sends a beautiful message.
Inside out 2 was basically : You can treat your longtime friends like complete garbage to impress newer ones. And when you'll realize you f****d up and feel terrible they'll instantly run to comfort you and forget everything.
And this by betraying them, publicly mocking them, and physically hurting one of them and not even checking to make sure they're fine afterwards. The movie was still visually beautiful but hard to get over how little consequences there was for Riley's behaviour.
The live action remake of The Jungle Book, human kids should just stay in the jungle.
To be fair, the human kids living in the jungle probably didn't see the movie. :D
If you look at the original story behind Pinocchio and keep it in mind while watching, the moral is that Italians treat each other poorly at any given opportunity. .
German here: I don't think it's an exclusively Italian-specific feature/bug.
Load More Replies... Tomorrowland.
The whole planet is going to burn/melt/freeze/drown but if we can convince random people with 'hope' to come join our cult, we can probably save it.
Not physicists or engineers or anything like that. Final scene shows hotel cleaning staff, kids busking with guitars - that's who is going to save us from ecological disaster.
I didn't see it that way. I saw it as, so long as media tells us that there is no hope, we won't do anything about it, because there's nothing we can do. But if we can get enough people motivated for change, then maybe we can still stop tragedy from happening. MY issue with the movie is that it's a techno-optimist fantasy. We will not technology our way out of this problem in time. We will need actual changes to our policies and the way we live our lives to make this happen.
Distributed by Walt Disney Pictures, so I think it counts. The short, Boundin.
I mean seriously... It's the sheep version of "just lay back and enjoy it."
It's the grossest message I've seen. They're going to come out here, steal your dignity (And your property), and you need to just accept that and be happy about it!
Eff that.
Why is no one talking about Zootopia? The whole movie is about institutional racism and corrupt law enforcement. But they don't solve anything. In fact, at the end, the career criminal becomes a cop. While it is probably the most realistic Disney movie, the moral ends up being "Everybody sucks at least little bit so let's have a party.".
They do solve a huge crime planned by someone not suspected of a thing because of positive racism.
And here I thought that it was a movie about a terrorist group using biological weapons to paint a demographic of the population as villains to gain advantages for their own.
Turning Red is supposed to be a metaphor for Puberty but she literally starts selling her body at 13 years old and then her whole family condones her selling her body at the end so they can pay for the millions of dollars of damage they did to Toronto. I think this is obviously problematic and strongly outshines any points about family acceptance.
I'm very averse to the euphemism of "selling one's body". Even if the person in question is an actual séx worker, they're not *selling* their body, they're renting out services - difference being their body is still theirs. That other thing is slavery. (Mind: I'm not debating the ethics and morals or lack thereof of the séx businesses.)
Song of the South.
SchillMcGuffin:
The movie is actually set after the Civil War, in the Reconstruction era - presumably pre-1877 when the full-on Jim Crow era commenced. The ex-slaves are continuing to work as sharecroppers on their old plantation because they consider it their home, it's basically the only career open to them, and their strangely progressive ex-mistress apparently manages it justly.
The kid protagonist is staying at his grandmother's plantation (and hearing Uncle Remus' tales) with his mother, because his father is editor of an apparently pro-Republican newspaper and is under threat of KKK violence.
The movie definitely dances around the issues of slavery and race relations -- It doesn't broadly support the idea that "Slavery wasn't so bad", but also works hard to not step on any toes of 1946 white southern movie audiences who presumably largely bought into the "Lost Cause of the Confederacy" narrative. The sympathetic portrayal of the plantation-owning grandmother and her benevolent treatment of her former-slave sharecroppers is probably the most contentious thing about it.
The ending has some possibly ambiguous overtones -- the protagonist apparently recovers from a bull attack after calling semi-consciously from his convalescent bed for his friend Uncle Remus to tell him another story. Once he's later up and walking with Remus and his other friends, they're joined by the animated characters from the tales -- possibly raising the question of whether he actually survived after all...
Finally! Wondered when this one would make the list, as it's the most offensive, racist film Disney ever made.
Not sure why you were downvoted. It is so racist Disney won't release it again. Here's an upvote from me. I think the only issue with putting it on this list is that, yeah, obviously this one, but let's talk about the subtler wrong-headed messages in modern films.
Load More Replies...I have to say, Monsters University sends a pretty disheartening message. The movie essentially tells us that no matter how hard you try, you can't always achieve your dreams. This is evident through Mike's journey. Despite his passion and relentless effort to become a scarer, he ultimately fails because he simply doesn't have the innate ability for it. Instead of promoting the idea that hard work and determination can help you achieve anything, the film suggests that some goals are just unattainable no matter how much effort you put in. While it's a dose of reality, it's not exactly the inspiring message I was hoping for from a family movie. I might have got it wrong tho.
His dream might have been to be a scarer, but he was failing to see what his true talent was as a leader. Most kids will aim for the well-known and popular career options, but somewhere along the way may realise, actually, I wanted to be a TikTok influencer but my favourite part of it all is lighting and sound, and I'm really good at it. I don't have to be a celebrity to excel or be happy.
I think that this is precisely the point. It is not about dreaming and working hard, but to realize your own self and accept and embrace it. And then become excellent at being unique
"The movie essentially tells us that no matter how hard you try, you can't always achieve your dreams." Correct. "Instead of promoting the idea that hard work and determination can help you achieve anything..." They can't. It's impossible. Doesn't matter how hard I try, I will never be able to become a Nobel Prize-caliber scientist or the best athlete in the world. "...the film suggests that some goals are just unattainable no matter how much effort you put in." Correct.
Sometimes a dose of reality is good, because e.g. Simone Biles is fantastic at what she does - but very much likely would not be that successful at any other ty of sports. The message is, try your dreams, but be realistic. And if your dream isn't *you*, look for a different dream. I would love to be a kind, successful dressage rider. But I do not have the riding talent to ever be. What I do have, is a talent to take care of horses and makd them trust me. So that is what I do, I am a groom (besides my money earning job).
In the Pokémon series, the Indigo League, Ash has a talent but does not train enough and his sidekicks often tell him this. Result: at the end of the season, he did not win the championship. Which means that in the second season, he doesn't give up and decides to continue training. I find that Monsters University is in the same vein: showing reality. As we saw before Monsters Inc., we know that the heroes do well and achieve their goal 😊
It is a dose of reality but letting kids see reality in a fun colorful way is much better than selling kids this message of "work hard and you will win" leaves us with unrealistic expectations that is going to hurt far worse when they've wasted their lifetime pursuing something that wasn't meant for them.
I loved MU because it showed that not everyone is a big academic success, and that's ok. As an 80's/90's kid I feel like the message pushed at me was "be great or be nothing '. I loved how Mike and Sully failed in college but we know they still had amazing lives in the end. It's a great lesson for any kid who wasn't perfect in school.
To be fair, most Disney movies are rip offs of old folk tales from around the world. Big surprise, we might not agree with the morales from 500 years ago.
OMG. These are movies for little kids. Not psychology majors. Vibrant colors, cute characters and some semblance of a story line. Kids are not looking to analyze a movie made for them. Back off you pretentious, "look at me I'm so woke" adults. I've watched all these movies as a child and as an adult. They are for entertainment.
If you analyze it, you're not going to be affected by it. Kids learn from every single thing they see and hear and experience.
Load More Replies...Some of these movies are indeed 60+ year old so those were different times. And some of them are based on stories that are even older, dating from early 1900 and earlier. It just wasn't possible to make them any better. Original Cinderella story is so horrible it scares the c**p out of me. they did what they could but it was still just bad.
Most of the Grimm tales also made ZERO sense. Hey buddy, turn yourself into a church so we can hide from this crazy guy. Sure no problem, one church coming right up. Eat this pigeon's spleen and turn invisible, makes sense to me. Also, in Grimm stories the evil characters can win, and the "good guy" might just end up dead. I remember one where the Devil makes a deal for a guy's soul, and while dude wins his soul back from the Devil, he does so by providing him with two other souls. Who really won that one?
Load More Replies...I guess Disney should just put out a movie of paint on a wall drying
But what color paint ? And how fast can it dry? Do we intercede with a fan ? How did we afford the paint and fan ? People will always take the simplest things and turn them into controversy.
Load More Replies...They are just movies. They are learning much worse from all the news and other things
Wow. That’s the problem with people today, you always want to look for the bad instead of just trying to enjoy what was made to be good. Soo many karens.
ok, with Mrs Doubtfire, the premise is so ridiculous no one will think it teaches a bad lesson.
This whole post was because Adelaide Ross has a hate for Disney. It ignores the millions and millions of people who love the stories and the animation. It is a collection of Karens that want to nit-pick and create hate where none exists. Most normal people do not view a Disney move and think, "OMG, was that princess so duped! The prince was perv and the king reminded me of my father, what a douche." I will get down voted and maybe banned by the gods of BP. But is because there is more hate here than love or understanding. If you think that your daughter comes out of Beauty & the Beast or Chicken Little questioning their future decisions in life, then it is you that has the problem. Not your daughter.
How important is it for Disney movies to have a positive message for kids? The problem today is whose message?
To be fair, most Disney movies are rip offs of old folk tales from around the world. Big surprise, we might not agree with the morales from 500 years ago.
OMG. These are movies for little kids. Not psychology majors. Vibrant colors, cute characters and some semblance of a story line. Kids are not looking to analyze a movie made for them. Back off you pretentious, "look at me I'm so woke" adults. I've watched all these movies as a child and as an adult. They are for entertainment.
If you analyze it, you're not going to be affected by it. Kids learn from every single thing they see and hear and experience.
Load More Replies...Some of these movies are indeed 60+ year old so those were different times. And some of them are based on stories that are even older, dating from early 1900 and earlier. It just wasn't possible to make them any better. Original Cinderella story is so horrible it scares the c**p out of me. they did what they could but it was still just bad.
Most of the Grimm tales also made ZERO sense. Hey buddy, turn yourself into a church so we can hide from this crazy guy. Sure no problem, one church coming right up. Eat this pigeon's spleen and turn invisible, makes sense to me. Also, in Grimm stories the evil characters can win, and the "good guy" might just end up dead. I remember one where the Devil makes a deal for a guy's soul, and while dude wins his soul back from the Devil, he does so by providing him with two other souls. Who really won that one?
Load More Replies...I guess Disney should just put out a movie of paint on a wall drying
But what color paint ? And how fast can it dry? Do we intercede with a fan ? How did we afford the paint and fan ? People will always take the simplest things and turn them into controversy.
Load More Replies...They are just movies. They are learning much worse from all the news and other things
Wow. That’s the problem with people today, you always want to look for the bad instead of just trying to enjoy what was made to be good. Soo many karens.
ok, with Mrs Doubtfire, the premise is so ridiculous no one will think it teaches a bad lesson.
This whole post was because Adelaide Ross has a hate for Disney. It ignores the millions and millions of people who love the stories and the animation. It is a collection of Karens that want to nit-pick and create hate where none exists. Most normal people do not view a Disney move and think, "OMG, was that princess so duped! The prince was perv and the king reminded me of my father, what a douche." I will get down voted and maybe banned by the gods of BP. But is because there is more hate here than love or understanding. If you think that your daughter comes out of Beauty & the Beast or Chicken Little questioning their future decisions in life, then it is you that has the problem. Not your daughter.
How important is it for Disney movies to have a positive message for kids? The problem today is whose message?
