The tragedy of the commons is one of those sad realities, where so many things could be made better by being shared, but humans at the end of the day will be humans. It only takes a few selfish or stupid jerks to ruin some genuinely good ideas for the rest of us.
Someone asked “What genuinely useful thing has been ruined by stupid people?” and people shared their examples. From shared amenities to just good, old public spaces, get comfortable as you scroll through, upvote your favorites and be sure to share your own experiences and ideas in the comments section below.
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State Parks, but more tainted than ruined. My husband and I hiked at two separate state parks this weekend and I was appalled. We saw dog poop, dirty diapers, water bottles, and food wrappers on almost every trail we walked. Also, for the love of God, NOBODY wants to listen to your music. Use headphones, you heathen.
Every goddamed app on the planet wanting to have you turn on push notifications. No, I do not want my phone constantly going off at all hours of the day.
Airbnb.
A cool, couch surfing idea that became a way to rent a spare room and save a little money on a hotel, got turned into a way to cut off housing supply and create a housing crisis, all by its own users.
It's not so much that AirBnB was used to cut off housing and create a housing crisis so much as corporations creating an artificial housing shortage in order to raise property prices in a VERY dangerous game of economic musical chairs, and then using those properties as short-term rentals, Airbnb, etc. I feel personally it was not so much AirBnB misusing the system so much as financial institutions using AirBnB as a means to misuse the system.
Pain medication. People with health issues suffer in pain ignored by doctors because junkies use our qualify of live saving medication to get high.
I have a neuromuscular disease and have been in increasing amount of pain in the last 20 years. I also own a pretty successful large business. Since the oxcycontin debacle and the rise of synthetic fentanyl I cannot get the needed pain meds to be able function like I used too. I appreciate the above post... this is big problem for chronic pain patients who DON'T abuse their medication.
Google search
At the time, Google's algorithm was a breath of fresh air compared to the dog s**t Ask Jeeves.
Now its results are just those who paid the most to Google followed by those that paid the most to SEO companies.
One genuinely useful thing that has been ruined by stupid people is the online review system. Originally intended to help consumers make informed decisions and businesses improve their services, it has been flooded with fake reviews, both positive and negative. Some people leave one-star reviews for trivial reasons, like a package arriving a day late, or worse, they weaponize reviews to unfairly attack businesses they have personal grudges against. This misuse undermines the credibility of the entire system, making it harder to distinguish between genuine feedback and malicious or frivolous comments.
I feel that the misuse by ordinary people pales in comparison to the misuse by corporations, who literally pay other corporations to leave reviews. I generally look for places on the internet (won't say where, since I don't want to the corporate bots to figure it out too quickly) where ordinary people talk about their experiences with various products.
The environment. We should've been doing something about climate change ages ago. We've known since 1938.
When I was a kid, Saturday morning was filled with "Give a hoot, don't pollute" and "Only you can stop forest fires" and other commercials that were famous for my generation. In the 1960s, there was this huge movement to care about the Earth, but here we are, 80 years later, and we're still doing a lot of the same stupid stuff!
Voting
Everyone who votes should pass a basic civics test. Stupidity is killing our democracy, as our elected representatives are increasingly manifestations of grievances and hatreds and not of our aspirations.
It would help if they could. Voter suppression is notoriously bad in certain places, as is gerrymandering.
Load More Replies...Dangerous. Wars have been fought to give everyone the right to vote, do you really want to limit that right to only people you deem to be suitable?
Very dangerous indeed! Also, people are pushing this dangerous idea of further limiting voting rights without providing any data on the exact results they hope to achieve. What percentage of these people seem too "stupid" for voting, and how would a "basic civics test" exactly alter the outcome? Why risk a basic human right with some additional criteria instead of incorporating functioning(!) civics education into the existing school system?
Load More Replies...I think we need fewer obstacles to voting, not more. I think, personally, though, that the biggest impediment to democracy in voting is the box on some ballots where you basically say "I only want to vote for candidates of Party X". Political parties in general, I feel, are a bad idea.
No! I would rather vote in a basic test for humans to reproduce than block anyone from voting.
Because that TOTALLY doesn't have as much baggage and the likelihood of being abused as voting restrictions... (it does if you can't tell, caled eugenics programs).
Load More Replies...We need a true multi-party system where parties emerge and disappear based on their performance first. This constant back-and-forth between the same two parties resembles a bipolar autocracy. Even in regular parliamentary systems without mandatory voting, parties disappear for far less harm than these two have caused. Yet, they continue to block the way for newer and better political alliances to enter the scene. If we had 8 to 10 parties, like in the countries that rank higher than the U.S. in quality of democracy and freedom — there are MANY of them — it suddenly wouldn’t even be such a big deal that not everyone is voting.
Load More Replies...I think the bigger issue is the electoral college, at least in the US.
Yes, that dumb electoral college that makes sure everyone's vote matters instead of letting two or three very populous cities decide how the whole country is run. Funny, the post is about people needing to pass a civics exam before voting, and here we see exactly what he's talking about.
Load More Replies...In Finland you have the right to vote if you are citizen. No other qualifications needed. And that's real democracy.
Funny thing. I work with two people who just graduated from university. They have many opinions and are convinced that their candidate is going to win. Although their candidate seems to be grabbing air right now...🍊. Get this, they aren't even registered voters and say they aren't going to vote. These are college graduates. Am I missing something here?
Complacency. They're confident that the candidate/party they would vote for will get the result in the area they live in, and the fact that their vote is then useless at any higher level means they just don't see the point. Not defending them, but that's the way the system works, so you can understand, if not condone, why they think that. Up until their assumption turns out to be wrong, of course.
Load More Replies...That might change soon. There's legislation in progress to allow *some* ex convicts to vote. Some states already allow it, some are working on it .
Load More Replies...Kind of hard to vote for a competent person when ALL the candidates are such pieces of s**t.
Well. Now there are competent candidates for president and vice president. I cannot wait to vote blue. Trump has turned me into I will never be a Republican. I was not excited about Biden but Kamala? As well as Tim Walz? This cat lady is downright giddy at the thought of voting her in.
Load More Replies...This is one hot potato. On one side it's - Freedom of speech but on the other side it's - "I don't agree with you and I think you're stupid!" type squabbles. Vote however you want to because people have died for your right to vote. I may not agree with you but I do support your right to your own opinion. So long as it doesn't incite hatred or violence. There's been enough of that here in the UK recently.
The US voting system needs to be modernised. In Europe every vote is counted and the only math done is to transform the numbers into a percentage of seats in parliament. Our parliaments are a direct reflection of the various opinion of the voters, this is why there are several parties present, and coalitions a necessity. No "winner takes it all" b******t.
This is basically saying everyone should vote, but not everyone should vote. What if someone who doesn't follow politics and doesn't know who they're voting for on the ballot card, decides to forgo their vote? They get chastised for it. But then people complain those who blindly vote are idiots and shouldn't vote. Society really doesn't know what's best for society.
Sure would like to spring a surprise US citizenship test on every congressional representative just to see how many would pass. Then I start to wonder about the rest of us. Could I pass?
Every politician should have to pass a test o what the job requires! This should be instantly implemented! Now!
There is a simple solution to almost all of the problems mentioned in this thread (at least in the US): term limits. It would allow parties that no longer serve the interests of the people to die natural deaths instead of being propped up by power hungry career politicos; it would foster better candidates and more voter participation because they would not be trying to unseat deeply entrenched incumbents, and it would greatly reduce the influence of lobbyists, corporations, and special interests who might not be willing to spend billions propping up a candidate knowing they will not be in office for 50 years.
1. Need qualifications to hold elected office approved by a board similar to becoming a chartered engineer or accountant. 2. Everyone has to vote. 3. All major government decisions go to referendum. That's more democracy than we have at present surely
We had poll taxes and tests once upon a time in the U.S. It didn't work out the way that OP assumes it would.
It's been so long since politicians served the People-... if they ever did, tbh, but now and then, we get a chance to vote for someone who could actually do so, and we rarely vote them due to believing the smears of bias MSN and inside traitors. We need Proportional Representation in the UK, and an easier way to oust the ones when we realise are self-serving/lobbying. Our current Govt Party got in with the lowest voting turn out, due to apathy. :(
This is why it is called representitive democracy. The goverment represents its people and if the people are dumb it is only fair... Educating the whole society is the way to go :)
Oooh, brilliant start! We only allow people to vote which we deem "worthy"! Let's put that to use even more! How about medical care! Or freedom of speech? But in all seriousness: I guess OP is from the US? Sorry to you then, but your election system is already broken af. The mere fact that candidates have to pay for their own campaign (unless they have super close connections and get funded), which disqualifies any candidate who is not stinking rich, is the first strike. You keep electing old, rich men who are as far removed from the "normal" population and it's problems as you can possibly be...
Except that is exactly why the electoral college exists in the US. It's in the constitution because the "founding fathers" decided that no one besides the elite were smart enough to vote correctly. The electoral college is a huge injustice, not something we want to make worse. I get it, I can't begin to understand how the hell the US elections have gotten so unimaginably absurd. I would have never believed someone so ridiculous, dangerous and hateful could ever have been elected. But the destroying all elements of liberty isn't the answer.
People who have no interest in voting, should not be voting. I do think there should be a test to get a voter's registration card.
Should have locked him up when he was found guilty of fraud.....he would be the first to shout about it if his opponents were convicted criminals
Picture must be from Iowa. (The 29-star flag flew in 1847 and 1848, with the 29th star representing Iowa.)
Every election is won by the candidate with the biggest warchest. It makes no difference who we vote for. It's crazy to punch down or horizontally at other people instead of looking up at the power /money hungry politicians. We don't operate as, or live in a democracy. It's a corporatocacy at best, and olgarchy/kleptocracy at worst.
Most people wouldn't be allowed to vote if they had to understand basic civica.
Be careful with that... tests with impossible questions were used by states to prevent minorities from voting, historically. One ACTUAL question was "how many seeds are in a watermelon"... and if you guessed wrong you don't get to vote.
Please, please provide a source for this. A question about counting watermelon seeds? Where? When?
Load More Replies...A non-vote is a choice, and a vote for the status-quo. People who don't vote can't complain!
You make it appear that US politics is all politics. Don't forget, there are countries who are not as lucky as you, and do not have free, and fair elections. There are also those countries, like mine where we have real democracy. It is not all about the US!
Civics Class was mandatory when I grew up. Civics went out the window for future generations. Now all the civility has gone out the window. Community meant more. Empathy was more prevalent than hatred and community service became punishment instead of an ideal.
I was just told yesterday by someone that they never voted, nor will they vote. Blew my mind! HOW? WHY?!?!?
So well put "as our elected representatives are increasingly manifestations of grievances and hatreds and not of our aspirations." couldn't agree more.
If you think voting makes a difference in America, I have a bridge to sell you
You don’t get to dismiss an idea solely because it has been corruptly implemented before. If that were the bar, nothing would ever get done. Especially, all forms of voting and voter registration.
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Plastic. Incredibly useful material.
Totally ruined by selfish people discarding it without a thought, corporations for prioritising profits over the environment, cosmetic companies for creating micro plastics, and governments for not doing anything about it!
Emotional Support Animals and Service Animals. Contrary to popular belief, they are not the same thing at all and stupid people getting fake ESA’s has bled into it harming people with service animals. Only a medical professional can prescribe an ESA, not a website or “registry” and an ESA is not allowed in public spaces like a service animal. It just allows the animal to live with you in places that usually wouldn’t allow animals or pets.
ESA are making life a little difficult for Service Animals. Service Animals do a job such as guide the blind, predict changes in blood sugar or pressure, assist with POTS, help those with seizures, aid the hearing impaired, assist those with autism, help with mobility problems, and aid in certain types of mental health settings and PTSD. Service animals work to keep their owners alive or in stable/good health. Most importantly service animals are legally considered trained medical equipment. A trained dog starts at $10K depending on need. An owner can only be asked 1. Is the dog a service dog? 2. What job or tasks has the dog been trained to performed? ESAs are legally considered untrained pets that provide comfort to their owner but do not actually perform a job. To qualify for an ESA a letter from a legit health care professional is needed. I know I went overboard but there is sometimes confusion between the two.
Conversations.
People don’t understand that information isn’t just found on FB, Insta and other social media platforms
They repeat ridiculous things they see posted by someone they don’t know and state it as fact because “I read it”.
Common sense is gone. Critical thinking. Gone. People liking things doesn’t make it true. And this whole “ I feel like it’s true” BS has to stop already. Facts aren’t what you feel.
My feeling is that clickbait and ragebait are, like spam emails, deliberately designed to bypass people's logic by causing them to feel a strong emotion. They shock us with titles that cause worry, fear, anxiety, anger because these strong emotions tend to inhibit rational logical thought. Instead of reading and thinking, people just react to the headline, and then what's in the article doesn't really matter. People will only see what they want to see. And why do they do it? Not to help anyone, that's for sure. It's because they want people to like, subscribe and share because all of that gets them ad revenue. Money is the end-all, be-all of the whole shebang.
The media.
Great journalists doing impressive, balanced analysis of the issues of the day that informed people was what we had.
Today, with idiots at the helm and solely being driven by advertising rather than content we get total BS that is dividing countries by being aligned to a certain political movement.
The difference between corporate media and independent media.
Antibiotics. Great for dealing with bacterial infections, not so good at dealing with viruses, and now we have antibiotic resistant bacteria because of overuse.
Online recipe blogs.
I understand the value of sharing experiences and the personal touch, but scrolling through pages of life stories and reflections on the changing seasons just to find the temperature for baking chicken thighs can be maddening. The recipe gets snowed under an avalanche of context and anecdotes. It's especially tedious on mobile, where your battery life ebbs away as you swipe past the tales of childhood and pictures of someone's dog wearing a chef's hat.
What started as a wholesome platform to share kitchen wisdom has become a test of patience, where we're forced to dig like culinary archaeologists to find the treasure trove: the actual list of ingredients and instructions. We've taken the concept of passing down recipes and wrapped it in the literary equivalent of a thick wool sweater — heartwarming, but not when you're in a hurry.
I note some sites have a "skip to recipe" button/link now.
The general idea of home owners' associations.
HOAs have become a form of collusion between developers and local jurisdictions. Instead of the City or County maintaining public infrastructure, the developers form an HOA and dump that responsibility onto it. Cities are happy because they can collect property taxes, but don’t have to supply any services in return. Developers are happy because when their shoddy shìt starts to fail a few years down the line, they’re effectively untouchable (they had the HOA sign a contract absolving them of responsibility). They people that live there are screwed.
I’ll go first: essential oils. They smell brilliant, reduce stress & anxiety and help treat fungal infections, but all the anti-vax & ‘crunchy’ moms have decided they’re a magical solution to everything that is wrong with the world.
There are some specialists in aromatherapy that use it as complimentary treatment. They are aware that oils aren't going to cure autism or cancer, but know that making patients more comfortable and peaceful will promote healing and lead to better patient outcomes.
At least in my area, “Pick your own” farms. It used to be a way to get seasonal produce in bulk for a low cost because you supplied the labor of picking it. Then it became trendy to do. Now it is full of people and kids making a mess, damaging plants, picking unripe items or deciding what they picked isn’t “perfect” and throwing it on the ground, and eating huge amounts instead of buying. Farms have been forced to massively raise prices to compensate for the losses caused by people who have no business being in the field.
Recently, there's been a trend to massively inflate the prices of food, and I've seen a LOT of different things being used to justify it. However, it's just a profit scam. Someone finally dropped the last of their morals and said "What do people absolutely need? Food? Water? Shelter? Health care? Education? Let's massively inflate all of these!"
Public parks have been ruined by littering and vandalism.
All the "something" sharing, car sharing/ Uber , room sharing/ airbnb, etc. A simple idea with huge potential to have a big impact in the way people use resources, all ruined by greedy people.
Phone/mail/email
Used to be great ways of communicating. Now there's so much spam and scam communications that it's pretty miserable.
In my city there was this bike sharing project. Amazing for students and young people. Within 3 days (3!!!) all of the bikes (F*****G ALL OF THEM) got either stolen or badly damaged.
Reddit. Pretty much any online forum tbh. I just want to chat about jigsaws and guitars please stop calling me names.
I agree. It's so easy for people to do that in the secure anonymity of the internet. Even on BP, there's a tendency that once a person starts to get upvoted or downvoted, the trend continues. People who see a downvote are more likely to downvote that post. While most people on BP are awesome, there are a few who do namecall and get very rude.
Capitalism. You have a third or fourth generation of f*****g morons inheriting the company daddy built, suppressing competition and automating or outsourcing all the jobs. Then increasing prices to get an 8th consecutive quarter of record profits. Then they go get their government “loan”.
Driving. Arguably far from ruined but has the potential to be so much safer and better for all if it wasn't for the recklessness and stupidity of dangerous drivers.
The NHS. Deliberately wrecked by successive governments (mainly Conservative), who have destroyed our greatest source of national pride.
Food delivery. Tried to hand my buddy cash and told him I’d pay for pizza. He couldn’t find anywhere to order from without paying first through an app. People are stupid for accepting this as the new norm. Tipping before you receive the service? Delivery drivers seeing the tip before they take a delivery is ridiculous.
So far, I've had one (Just Eat app) restaurant ask me to add a tip. Cheeky sods, I haven't used that take out place since. We have a decent mandatory min wage in the UK, and we don't really have that kind of tip-pressure-culture, and if I ever want to give a tip to the driver (for being quick, for e.g.), I'll hand him cash on delivery.
Gas cans. I promise more gas is spilled today than was ever wasted in the past with normal cans that just had a spout.
Part of the problem is how the new cans are designed. They build them for a car and they work okish for that purpose. But who uses a gas can on their car? People want to fill motorcycles, or lawn mowers, or leaf blowers, and countless other small engines with small tanks where you can't shove a weird foreskin activated 4 inch long gas spout into a tank 2 inches deep and expect it to work properly.
Higher education.
Parents in the 1960s saw that a degree guarantees you a cushy and respected job with a corner office, company car, and hot secretary, so they made their kids ashamed of blue collar jobs, and pushed them into higher education.
Now the western (and probably most of the eastern) world we have overeducated population, with only so many "elite" jobs to go around, so many are underemployed.
Youtube. It used to be fun and a great place to get information and entertainment.
Still is. You just have to dig deeper. And if ads bother you, get a VPN or a good adblocker.
Bike paths, traffic calming, and pedestrian friendly design.
Us little people figured all this was a great idea and it was intuitively obvious where they’d do the most good.
Political hacks see the opportunity for glory projects, skip the obvious opportunities and areas of need, ignore local input, and blow though piles of money on reinventing the wheel (which they call “innovative” in the press release) and boondoggles in areas where there was no realistic demand or need for such amenities.
For the tiny few who do find the new construction helpful, maintenance will be neglected as the politicos set more money on fire chasing another shiny thing.
Bike infrastructure suffers the network effect: one bike lane is worthless. A bunch is okay. If they are everywhere they work awesome. But you can't afford to change everything all at once, so change what you can when you can afford it and grow the bike network just as we grew the car network. You hardly ever see horses any more.
Digital media in general.
TV, Internet, Video Games - other than the latter one these media can be super useful.
But practically speaking screens have just become executive dysfunction induction machines that people use as an escape to never truly start living.
Screens have stolen so many years of my life it's crazy.
I see the point, but I feel the escape into the screens is not the fault of the screens, nor even the media. It's a symptom of other problems. Why are we all trying to escape? People keep trying to focus us on the problem of TV addiction, internet addiction, phone addiction, when our TVs and phones aren't the problem. We have unresolved social problems that are the cause, not the effect.
Roundabouts. Great idea, but people can't seem to understand them. I don't know what to expect, though, when most drivers don't know what the red octagon sign means.
We've been using them for decades, so they're not an issue, re: confusion over here (UK). It's in with the rest of learning to drive Theory/Practical. Do they just put them in and expect drivers to know without instruction? If so, I can understand your antipathy.
Fully remote working.
I doubt anyone will see this, but "passing lanes" should've been in here somewhere.
Flushable wet wipes. So many people flushing the regular non-flushable kind down the toilet and causing problems led to the idea that the genuinely flushable kind were some sort of scam.
The United States of America.
No. I get that you may be talking about patriotism, the USA was never *great* to begin with, and neither is any country. Some people had it better, but not everyone. Economy could have been better, but mostly things were just different. It sounds better for you because you did not live through it. People tend to romantize the past, and nostalgia for a glorious past is something many leaders dream of, but it was never real.
Tough one, but Google Wave.
It would have revolutionised user to user communication and collaboration, and most of the numerous failings of modern social media simply wouldn't have been possible if we were all using wave to access it.
Wave was three things, a concept, a protocol and an app. The idea was the app was in the users control, the protocol was open so anyone could build an app to consume all the data.
The problem was, to demonstrate this, google threw together a horrible, unintuitive, lumpy java app and then (and what I think was a first for google) made an early beta of the app (which was nearer alpha quality) available to the masses.
The masses, being stupid people who didn't read up on what wave was all about, they just played with the app and hated it, and therefore decreed that wave was dead before it even launched. Which was a real shame, as under the hood it was a real game changer.
It's best to not get attached to Google products, they have a tendency to kill them after a few years. They have so much money, that they can just experiment.
Online forums, I'll try and explain. You'll get someone ask a genuine question about something, let's say sorting out an issue with car seat, Person will ask "How can I fix the seat recline in a Vugalpappen Tuffenpull" and within that forum someone will say "I don't have a Vugalpappen Tuffenpull so don't have a clue"...So don't post on the forum then wasting time I mean WTF
The fact that the only current reply to this post is a bot ad for WFH jobs is absolutely cracking me up!
Load More Replies...Manuals. Less and less often a (useful) manual. Instead links to youtube videos. 1: In a manual you can use control-f and search for what you looking for 2: Youtube is a lost cause, you can hardly see any video between advertisements.(yes, better with blockers but since advertisements became the main thing they send out i'm no longer going there)
I got a "manual" for assembly that was a qr code to a YouTube video. Not only did I have to keep pausing and rewinding because they had the video fast forwarded, but they skipped half the steps. I work much better with written words and pictures in step by step.
Load More Replies...I usually try to stay out of the war of generations, but I find this post particularly amusing because so many of these complaints bould down to "things were better when I was younger!"--a belief that Boomers are often criticized for, yet many of these complaints have to be coming from Millennials or Gen Z, since a lot of the things being complained about (AirBnB, Uber, social media, etc) are only about 2 decades old or less. I've been around long enough, and lived through enough end-of-the-world crises that I've adopted an attitude of "this too shall pass". Not that serious issues don't need to be addressed, but oftentimes in hindsight problems were not as severe as originally believed. Life is cyclical--things get worse; things get better again. Nothing is permanent, and if we remain calm and at least cautiously optimistic, we will all come out safely on the other side.
I walk around in a haze of existential angst every moment of every day, and this just cranked it up to eleven. This was NOT something I needed to read. My bad. I opened it then got my foot stuck in the tar. 🤯😞😰
Online forums, I'll try and explain. You'll get someone ask a genuine question about something, let's say sorting out an issue with car seat, Person will ask "How can I fix the seat recline in a Vugalpappen Tuffenpull" and within that forum someone will say "I don't have a Vugalpappen Tuffenpull so don't have a clue"...So don't post on the forum then wasting time I mean WTF
The fact that the only current reply to this post is a bot ad for WFH jobs is absolutely cracking me up!
Load More Replies...Manuals. Less and less often a (useful) manual. Instead links to youtube videos. 1: In a manual you can use control-f and search for what you looking for 2: Youtube is a lost cause, you can hardly see any video between advertisements.(yes, better with blockers but since advertisements became the main thing they send out i'm no longer going there)
I got a "manual" for assembly that was a qr code to a YouTube video. Not only did I have to keep pausing and rewinding because they had the video fast forwarded, but they skipped half the steps. I work much better with written words and pictures in step by step.
Load More Replies...I usually try to stay out of the war of generations, but I find this post particularly amusing because so many of these complaints bould down to "things were better when I was younger!"--a belief that Boomers are often criticized for, yet many of these complaints have to be coming from Millennials or Gen Z, since a lot of the things being complained about (AirBnB, Uber, social media, etc) are only about 2 decades old or less. I've been around long enough, and lived through enough end-of-the-world crises that I've adopted an attitude of "this too shall pass". Not that serious issues don't need to be addressed, but oftentimes in hindsight problems were not as severe as originally believed. Life is cyclical--things get worse; things get better again. Nothing is permanent, and if we remain calm and at least cautiously optimistic, we will all come out safely on the other side.
I walk around in a haze of existential angst every moment of every day, and this just cranked it up to eleven. This was NOT something I needed to read. My bad. I opened it then got my foot stuck in the tar. 🤯😞😰
