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We do suspect that kids are different these days than when we were in school. There are many reasons for it: from generational differences to technological advancement, the children of today and those of two decades ago are not just years but rather light-years apart.

But there are people who experience this change first-hand. They are teachers, educators, and professors who have devoted their lives to raising little daredevils into rebellious (or not) teens, helping them to discover their identities, strengths, and weaknesses. They are the ones who have spent the most time with the youngsters, and they surely have collected a lot of observations on their way.

“Teachers/professors of Reddit, what is the difference between students of 1999/2009/2019?,” someone wondered on Ask Reddit, sparking an illuminating thread with incredible insights. Below, we wrapped up the most interesting responses, so scroll down!

#1

30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I've taught (still teaching) elementary (mainly 1st - 3rd) since the mid 90s. Differences: 1- Many more obese kids. I'm talking obese at age 6. Not just a little chubby, either. 2- Many more attention problems. Not just the severe ones (ADD/ADHD), but kiddos who just have trouble focusing. Now, I don't want to hear a lot of backlash from non-teachers who say we mean teachers expect kids to sit all day and work. My students change activities frequently. They are allowed to stand instead of sit. We also do quite a bit of hands on stuff. But over the years, I've noticed a HUGE problem with focusing and getting things done. 3- Kids don't read as much. They spend free time on electronic devices. It's addictive and I'm guilty, too. I LOVE to read, but I find myself here on Reddit or elsewhere on the internet instead of actually READING books. But I'm 49. These kids NEED to read. And they need to read BOOKS. 4- Their vocabulary and speaking skills are lacking. Why? Well, the speech/language teacher at my school gave her theory. She worked in the private sector over the summer. Parents would drop off their young kids to her and sit in the lobby on their phones (as we all do). Over the summer she would assess these kiddos and most all of them were of normal intelligence and ability. So why are the kiddos severely behind in speaking and language skills? She claims that parents are not SPEAKING enough to their children. We adults spend so much time on our phones and laptops and are not having enough conversations with our children. I have to agree with this. Fifteen/20+ years ago, we were all not glued to our phones. People CONVERSED more with their kids in the past.

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Gninja
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

💯. Im a peds nurse since 2010 and kids are overweight and overstimulated with electronics. So many parents throw the ipad at kids when they out a dinner and no one talks to each other. I always sadly laugh when I see 1-2 year olds with ipads at dinner. Wth people. My kids are smart, read, good social skills and dont need constant technology. Kids need to learn how to deal with being bored once in a while. This plays into the instant gratification and entitlement.

Cassie
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it's more than this, though, at least in the US. I grew up with commercials teaching that a healthy breakfast was a bowl of sugary cereal in milk, two slices of white toast, and a cup of orange juice. We were taught to eat "grains" in the form of bread or pasta at every meal. Fat was bad, but a sugar-coated pastry for breakfast was good. Soda was and remains the primary drink. Those of us inundated with these ideas are now parents and grandparents passing on this same faulty nutrition to our kids and grandkids. We need to dramatically alter the American idea of nutrition and get our children off the massive amounts of sugar and empty carbs.

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Who Panda 420
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A comment about number two having trouble focusing.. I honestly think we had just as much problems in the '80s and '90s but ADD, ADHD anxiety, dyslexia and dyscalcula to name a few were way less understood. They usually went undiagnosed and the kids were just called stubborn or lazy. Speaking from experience.

Ozacoter
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Exactly. My partner is 38 and very dislexic and most of his teachers just assumed that he was dumb or lazy. But he was great at tech and maths just bad at reading and writing

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Brenda
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read to my kids from the day they were born. Had them read every day, even in summer. It was a big treat to get new books. Both have exceptional vocabulary skills (never baby talked to them), both love to write. I didn't think I was doing anything special (huge reader myself), just sharing my love of reading. Thought all parents did this

Perry Sologia
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No they don't. I know of families who have never had a book in the house.

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SAF saf
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's something to this theory. Me and brother pretty much grew up at our parents work. We interacted with adults frequently, mostly the older folks and younger women i noticed. You can tell when certain kids are comfortable interacting with adults, their vocabulary is noticeably different.

Who Panda 420
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to hang out at my mom's doctors office during my summer vacations so yes I learned extremely complex words from adults. And for a non-medical person I am extremely good at medical terminology.

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Mabelbabel
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was in primary school (UK schooling aged 5 to 11) starting in 1971. I was the fat kid of the class, and I know my teacher at the time bullied me about it as much as the other kids did. Looking back at photographs, and comparing my size then with class photographs of my grandkids school, I would be one of the thinner ones now. There's definitely an obesity problem-we used to walk to school (my siblings and I) and it was about 3km one way. I think parents would be anxious about letting their children do that these days.

Biliegh Berrie
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was visiting a family. While there I made their daughter look me in the eyes while talking to her. I looked her in the eyes and talked normal to her in replies to her gobbledygook. The place she was going to for her special needs were surprised she was engaging. Her parents Lived on their phones and never made eye contact with her. Electronics are horrible. I have them and hardly use them and actively keep it that way.

Danette Pelletier
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a similar experience. My daughter has special needs. In her class one day, a girl approached me and started talking. I had been there 4 times and never heard her speak before, not even to her teacher. You know what motivated her to talk? She wanted me to unlock her iPad. Kids had a big TV screen on and device time as rewards. Kids who have major attention and social issues. That's what happens when you don't fund schools and teachers well. Not enough support and training to find other non-screen rewards.

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Ozacoter
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But did parents in the past really speak more to their kids? Or are we remembering the past with a bias? At my house my father would soeak to us mostly to lecture us or give commands. My mum was chatty but nobody was allowed to talk during meals because we "anoyed" my dad that was watching TV. With my grandmas is the same. The TV is always on even if you go to visit and they only oay half attention to you (was always like this its not because of age). People forget that previous grew up with TVs and consoles and were told constantly how "tech was ruining their lives".

WordWeaver
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was a kid (1960's) each of us was encouraged to talk about our days plus our parents would talk about theirs. Plus TV was off. I haunted the local Library and talked to adults all the time (was hyperlexic). Guess that helped. Pity that kids today aren't talking as much. As so often, the parents don't see themselves as part of or more, the source of the problem. Young kids don't need a phone or IPad - stop using it for babysitting!

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Andie
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a student absolutely SHOCKED, that I would not give her my phone to play games on. "But I'm bored!", there are the books, there are the toys, or you can color. You can not have my phone. (No my phone wasn't out, she asked if I had one and I said yes. Kids ask about all types of things so I did not see where it was going).

Vishy
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The only thing I had for entertainment were second hand books. The local books store would sell it at a heavy discount. It did not matter is some pages were missing. Used my own imagination to fill them. Books are your friends for life. But I see very few kids reading them.

Linnea
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

TBF, they could be reading on their devices. Kindle is still a thing.

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    #2

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I've been teaching high school since 1993. Students are less homophobic by a long shot, at least where I've been. There is still homophobia but they can't be open about it. Students talk about things like depression and mental illness more; whether the prevalence rate for things like depression actually is higher or not I don't know, but it's more talked about. Attitudes toward school are about the same. Hard workers, average workers, and slackers are still probably the same proportion. Obviously the use of technology is dramatically increased, which is good and bad. It's definitely made research super easy. There's more awareness of bullying, though sometimes this term gets thrown around too casually. Students in special ed are no longer openly mocked. Students are larger. A lot larger. Dating in an official sense doesn't seem to occur anymore; just seems like FWB (or without benefits) is the typical arrangement. Seems like students spend a lot more time inside than 20 years ago.

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    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yay! Most of these are good things!

    Who Panda 420
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am so glad too. At least in my school in the 90s it was fashionable for women to come out but not men. One of my best friends came to school in drag on Halloween and got beaten up pretty bad. He eventually unalived himself. I also had another best friend who did not feel comfortable to come out until after high school.

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    RandomFrog(He/They️‍️)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Abt the special needs kids. If anyone ver bullied a special needs kid pretty much everyone in the school would go against/mock them becuase that’s not ok. And there is still some homophobia but only in a few groups, like yeah it has drastically decreased.

    urlocalmtndewaddict
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At my school homophobia is still rampant, gay kids have to keep silent. To be fair, its Alabama, but sadly that plus doesnt apply everywhere. My friends who are in special ed are still very much so mocked, and I've had to defend them. Almost beat up one kid for it ngl.

    Cerridwen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm. The rest of the south consider Alabama as inbred. You'd think that they'd work on changing that image

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    Eliza
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately Gen Z in my experience have been even more homphobic than the boomers. They fetishize being gay but are disgusted by homosexuality. It's bizarre.

    urlocalmtndewaddict
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. Straight girls will fetishize gay men, then call lesbians gross.

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    Michael Largey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started teaching in 1976 and retired eight years ago. What the OP wrote is also my experience.

    jmoore1
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Homophobia is rampant in the schooling system even today...

    Renegade
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it may be depending on where you live. Where I live it's much more acceptable to be LGBTQIA than it used to be. I suspect there are places where this is not the case.

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    Zelda Fitzgerald
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a millennial going to college with mostly Gen Zs, I have to say I like the newer generation better. They are way more understanding of each other and bullying is more likely to be called out. One thing I've noticed though is that kids are way more shy and self conscious than they used to be. And the they're either super shy or super outgoing. There's not much in between. That being said, they're sweet and I'm glad I got to experience that.

    Gabby M
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why being a teacher gives me hope for the next generation

    Paula Pattison
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh my goodness I feel the one about them being larger. I started in 1989 teaching 14-18 year olds. I used to be able to look most of them in the eye: not anymore

    John Curran
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think the remark about spending so much time inside is a good thing.

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    #3

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now In regards to technology, I think “experts” who have been telling us that the students are going to come in very technologically literate don’t actually realize WHAT technology students are using. Students are using cell phones, occasionally tablets, and gaming devices like xBox. They don’t use computers actively at home. Massachusetts switched their standardized testing to computer based testing. 100% of our students have no idea how to type in a computer when they come to us in elementary school. So not only do we have to teach them the content for these ridiculous tests, we have to teach them how to type fluently and accurately before third grade so they can type essays on the computer at 8 years old. They said the switch was because students are more technologically savvy then ever before, which is probably partially true, but not in the way that they want.

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    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fair point. But these kids will grow up and create technology that accommodates their background and skillset. We are just in that adjustment period right now.

    Jonas Fisher
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's a meaningless point. That's been true for ALL generations of people. So what? The point that OP is making is that the assumption of especially high tech savvy is incorrect. They can click on apps. Compare that to gen Xers who learned how to manipulate DOS and BASIC as just a regular part of dealing with computers when young. It's the accomplishments of gen X combined with the ubiquity of ipads that has people thinking that kids are somehow just broadly "good with technology." The opposite is true.

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    SAF saf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS! It's annoying the way film and TV portray how computer savvy' kids are. They really aren't, like at all. We might have to start making kids take "computer class's" again like we had in the early 90's.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It should be obligatory. We live in a world that depends on computers. Yet we learn Plato and Aristotle but not how to use Office... its because the school system is stuck in the early 1900s

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    Paula Pattison
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The assumption that students are computer literate means no-one teaches them stuff: I made a point of teaching students exactly how to do the things I need them to do, sometimes 17 year olds would say "no-one ever told me you could do that".

    Jonas Fisher
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a teacher. During the pandemic, while teaching a class on Zoom, I had a student ask for help finding a paper he (supposedly) wrote. I agreed to help. After a few minutes of having him click on a few things, I asked him where files normally get stored when he downloads something. I'll never forget his response: "My computer doesn't have files." Look, that's really ignorant, right? For the record, he had an Acer laptop running Windows. The kicker is that when I said, "Of course it has files. I'll help you find the ones you need," he argued. I spent 30 minutes arguing with a kid about whether or not his computer has files, since every time I asked him to search, click, whatever, he argued. Not only was he computer illiterate, he was antagonistic about it. Sheesh.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My son is 29, daughter is 21.. Hubby built a computer for the kids to use, playing educational games etc. No online. Both learned to use a keyboard pretty quickly, w/ help. Not many computers in schools (early 2000s). Son required one for writing (nerve damage) He was faster than the teachers. Daughter is 6.5 yr younger. Had computers in most classes, used them regularly. Both learned playing & watching us. Kids now, type fast. Tablets, computers, electronic toys. To them technology is normal, they have never NOT been surrounded by it.

    GaeFrog
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean kids do need to learn to type efficiently

    Albino
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly think, so far, my generation (close to 40) is still one that has most experience in many fields. I had to program to get the DOS computer at school working, and I can speed type on an old Nokia as well as on a smartphone or a computer. Of course some/quite a lot is obsolete now, but altavista taught me that I might have to look at more than one link to find an answer. There used to be the joke "where to best hide something? - on page 2 of Google results." By now my students don't even look at the third result any more, no idea if they know that there are multiple pages of results before I tell them.

    Jenn C
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had to teach the elementary kids how to use a mouse before testing, because they're used to touchscreens on everything.

    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most of the "experts" that manoeuvre these educational changes are NOT teachers nor do they consult actual practitioners. Real teachers then have to pick up the pieces.

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So many teachers know how stupid standardized testing is in the first place, yet year after year the politicians insist it is required so they can work out what schools need more money and resources- very unlikely those schools will actually see much of that, but the 'top' schools have their results to boast about, which I'm sure helps the poli's egos, since most of them went to or send their kids to those schools.

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    Šimon Špaček
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are they really technology savvy? They know how to turn it on and how to troubleshoot Interent connection, but how much they know about the inside (both hardware and software)?

    Who Panda 420
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the mid to late 80s I remember that we were one of the first classes to use computers. I believe they were Apple twos or something. You had to use those huge floppy disks and programming them was hell. This is way before windows. I remember turning in turn papers first in handwriting, later doing them on a typewriter, and finally printing it on a computer. Been through all the phases.

    Linnea
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you remember the turtle? The one that teaches you about angles from 0 to 360 degrees? You had to program him to turn different ways (i.e., "R90" for "turn 90 degrees to the right") to get him to move around the screen?

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    #4

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Today's students don't know how to struggle or persevere through a problem. If they can't do it immediately, they need help. On the plus side, they know a lot more about each other and are open to diversity. They communicate their emotions.

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    Isidien Gudmundsdottir
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I still have no idea what to do with the part of my brain that used to store the enormous amount of phone numbers of my family and friends. Yes, I'm one of those: "Hey Grandpa!, more like Grand-Grandpa now, but seriously, I often think about that when I call someone on my phone and look at the number: "Huh..there was a time I could just dial this number without even thinking what the number was, now I just push a button, it's a good thing and yet, kinda sad at the same time.

    Šimon Špaček
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to remeber things like bus schedules. And phone numbers. And all food alergies and preferences of about 70 people (I was the guy who cooks at parties). Now I hardly remember my own birthday...

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    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uh, if they can't do it immediately, they probs don't know how to do it, so isn't asking for help a good thing??

    justme
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not always. Kids need to learn how to problem solve for themselves and it's really good for them to struggle just a little bit. If they try on their own first and need help that is different than attempting to do it for 2 seconds and immediately asking the teacher or Alexa/Siri for the answer.

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    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to teach a lot of thinking and problem solving strategies. But I was the exception, apparently. One of students told me that I didn't teach like any other teacher. Now she is my doctor.

    Lindsey or Something
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. Problem solving skills went down the drain when math got overly standardized into things like Common Core. The theories aren't being taught, only the formulas. Kids are great at taking the numbers they're given and slotting them into holes in a formula to get a right answer, but they don't know how or why it works so they can't problem solve effectively and it spills over into other things. (I also think we should be teaching music as a requirement because understanding music has been shown to improve brain function and coordination.)

    urlocalmtndewaddict
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Asking for help isn't a bad thing. It's okay to give them a little push in the right direction and let them find out the rest themself. I'm a teen and often ask for help almost immediately after receiving homework bc I dont always understand how lessons are taught and realize this during the lesson. Many other kids are the same way- they just know when they need help/need things re-explained now.

    Mosheh Wolf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first part is 100% the a problem caused by helicopter parenting and the belief that failure is the worst possible thing that can happen to a person, and that a parent's job is to make sure that their kids never experience failure (or any negative emotion for that matter).

    vdub ikrami
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    On the struggle through a problem part, my technology teacher told me to try a little more and I destroyed a computer. Always ask for help if you’re not sure

    Kel_how
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh, absolutely. I teach SPED kids who have learning disabilities. If they can't do something immediately, they shut down. It's really hard to teach perseverance in the classroom, but these kids need problem-solving skills.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If there wasn't so much on student's plates, more than ever before, I would feel like the kids were just being lazy or entitled for that first bit. With how much c**p they need to deal with now, inside and outside of the classroom, I'm not surprised they just give up and want assistance right away.

    Bi-Polar Express
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is the idea that you cannot learn from mistakes. It is prevalent in our society,though. Someone gets 4 stars and they are failing according to their employer. Nothing less than perfect is expected and social media fake perfection just makes it harder.

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    #5

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now My friend who's a first grade teacher says that kids are more anxious, less able to self soothe, and unprepared to solve even basic (first grader level) problems themselves.

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    Betty Jo Jackson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Poor kids had to do kindergarten online in an educational environment completely unprepared for digital learning. They lived in fear and the world became dangerous. Contact with other human beings which before sustained us and made us a community became a source of fear. It's not a wonder that they're struggling. We all are too.

    Crowsgoin*brrr*
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (Replying to James Bond): yes it is quite s**t for children to not be able to see facial feature, due to scientifically proven studies which connect visual learning to emotional output of children, but then idk if you were focused scientifically or not, but luckily! (For you) there are advancements occurring that can allow baby's and children to be able to learn facial expressions! It might look different than our own facial expressions but that's fine, because believe it or not, a smile was once, not a sign of friendship, but a sign of aggression! ✌️🫠😱 here for you my dude.

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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a teacher, I completely agree with this. I live in a part of Australia where the pandemic had minimal effect on kids. It is due to parenting not the pandemic here.

    Nila Griffin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or they just feel safer asking for help instead of silently struggling.

    Lena C
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you think the teacher is incapable of properly assessing the students? I would think they know the difference between anxiety, self-soothing, and inability vs "asking for help".

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    Ash
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Inability to self-soothe comes from emotional neglect at home. There are a huge number of people in my generation (millennial) dealing with the traumatic after-effects of childhood emotional neglect. I don't know if the problem is actually getting worse with time, or if it's just that gen-z is more open about their mental health struggles, but it feels like the number of people with this kind of trauma is just going up.

    Stephanie Goadsby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I disagree that inability to self soothe comes from emotional neglect at home. Though I don't consider myself a "millenial", I am of that age designation. As someone who was emotionally neglected for the most part, self soothing is the only option at ones disposal. Those that cannot self soothe are those that never had to and, as a result, don't know how through lack of experience and need.

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    Isaac Harvey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work with Taekwondo students at summer camps, and there’s a particular individual who seems to be behind on their academic skills for their age. I have been there myself as a survivor of childhood brain cancer, so I’m not afraid to slow down, demonstrate or rephrase prompts as necessary. (Yesterday, I had to sketch a few examples of why we’re supposed to draw 2 lines to divide a box into thirds, 3 lines to divide it into fourths, etc. and explain the concept to them.) I also have a brother who is now 12, and he still has some difficulty regulating his emotions when he’s stressed. By no means does Common Core fully accommodate for every individual student’s academic disadvantages- if at all. Nowadays, when I help learners individually, I don’t hesitate to change my teaching style to suit their learning style.

    Kiaya Thompson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My kindergarten aged daughter often asks me what two numbers equal and I tell her “count it on your fingers.” I want her to try to solve problems herself before she asks for help.

    Nitka Tsar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you from Germany? German Kindergarten children are younger than US kindergarden children. US Kindergarden is like German Vorschule and German Kindergarten would be called preschool in the US. It's confusing.

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    GaeFrog
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to disagree with this

    Tracie D.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I believe that. I see it all the time.

    Andrea Hartzler
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hard to feel concerned when my generation (Cold War era) had to squeeze under our desks randomly and cover our necks when the teacher yelled DROP. Talk about anxiety.

    Erin Weinmeister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As I've always said as a previous teacher... It all starts with the parents.

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    #6

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now In 1999, class was super noisy when you came in. Everyone talking and then quieting down when you started teaching. Now, like walking into a funeral home. cell phone silence.

    Whaleballoon , McKaela Taylor Report

    AmmoniteCat
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is only in those schools where cell phones are allowed in class. Our class is still super noisy.

    Nitka Tsar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids are allowed to have cellphones at school wherever you are from?

    Local foodie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our school does not allow phones out of bags so we all socialise and gossip. It’s REALLY noisy

    Paula Pattison
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my first school, and as a child, students had to stand silently behind their chair until being given permission to sit, they also had to stand if an adult entered the room. I would say schools are noisier now (my school doesn't allow phones in class)

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When my sister was in high school, they got a new principal who insisted all the students stood up when he entered the room. He got so many students who refused because it just isn't part of most (state) school expectations, but he wanted them to be like private school students. This didn't make sense to a lot of parents either and they wrote complaints to him, especially when their kids got detention for not doing it. Not sure if this changed anything though. Most people understood the no phones rule though, which was around since mobiles existed, though.

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    Terri Martin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Schools around here have never allowed cell phones in class. If it's even in view, it gets taken up until a parent can pick it up. So yeah, it's still plenty noisy lol

    Rob
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never experienced funeral silence either. Been teaching for seventeen years and always kids have been noisy before start of class. Wish this statement was true

    Hyde and Seek
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Phones are allowed and small class sizes . A lot of talking and sharing memes,jokes,art and pictures

    Fiddy E
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy needs to walk into a middle school homeroom, me and my teachers have firsthand experience of how loud it gets!

    Yvette Cribb
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always got in trouble for letting students talk during work time...it's a science class, there is supposed to be collaboration

    Bi-Polar Express
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My class is pretty loud and active. We don't have phones out and we work together a lot.

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    #7

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now My students today are way over protected and far more nervous than when I started teaching in 1994. For example I have had several students ( typically girls) who at 12 or 13 have literally never been alone. Then have not been on a bike ride alone or a walk around their block alone. Their parents are so afraid of stranger danger that they are preventing their students from having the necessary alone time to get into trouble and try to solve problems independently. The students are far more prone to anxiety, depression, cutting and suicidal idealization than previous generations of students. Probably related, but who knows. Students are afraid of risk and need teacher support and because it is available all the time they kind of expect it. I had a student email me an hour ago because he did not understand a question on his homework. And I responded with some additional info to support this student. On a Sunday morning. Of course I am the one who taught them how to actually email something and I answered the email, so perhaps I am a contributor to this issue. 20 years ago he would have had to figure it out and give his best guess and let the chips fall.

    awe2ace , Sandra Seitamaa Report

    Maritza Palacio Romeiras
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not surprised about your mention of young girls never going for bike rides alone. There IS danger of SA or kidnapping, it's not a fear, it's a reality.

    Irene Garnett
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t know that the risk is much higher than previous decades, but the awareness and fear is so much higher. Definitely think it has stunted independence and growth in young people. Heck it’s probably less dangerous “out in the world” than In the classroom where a struggling teen can become a school shooter.

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    Who Panda 420
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As far as being more prone to anxiety and depression I honestly think a lot of those things still happened but they went undiagnosed. Awareness of these issues is much better now. You were just called antisocial or strange or stubborn or be accused of being a troublemaker when you really had issues.

    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    13 years old?? Never been alone?? Are you sure?? I've spent plenty of time w modern day middle schoolers, and they go out w their friends and im sure they've been alone

    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m not that old, but I remember some teachers would tell you that you could call them at the home phone number in the phone book. Not all of them, mind you. But some did.

    Giovanna
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, but how many students actually did this on a regular basis, to ask practical questions they could ask a schoolmate instead? Now it happens all the time. But I'm very open to my students about the fact that I have working hours and I'm not a surgeon, I don't work "on call". Hence, I make a point not to answer emails on a Sunday or at 8 in the evening, even if I've read them. At the same time, I don't write to my students at all times making requests, because they have the right to disconnect too. I teach high school (16-19 yo)

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    The Fan Of Nothing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone that was a child prostitute, yeah. Being alone isn't safe for kids, especially females. And especially in this day and age. There is no safety when alone.

    _scarlett_gg
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wasn't left home alone until I was 14, that's the law where i live even though most people don't follow it. I don't know why not being left alone is a bad thing... stranger danger is a very real threat

    Zobi123
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not afraid of stranger danger for my kids; I'm afraid of all these stupid adults driving around with their faces in their cell phones. I have to really train my kids to navigate these idiots before I can let them walk to school alone. It's probably the same adults complaining about how kids aren't independent as they used to be...

    Megan Schwellenbach
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How many girls and young women have been sexually assaulted by the time they're an adult? Yeah, my girls can find alone time in safe places (their room, backyard, etc.). It's not an overexxagerated fear, it's a reality.

    Alei Griffieon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In all fairness there are a lot more dangers out there.

    Trisha Howson
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a lot more stranger dangers out there then they use to be. As soon as a grown woman walks down the road they live on or around the block there is a Prevert there. I'm sorry I don't care what age it was I wouldn't let my kids walk to school alone. People watch and it if something they do everyday it is something they can plan easier to hurt a child. don't watch over my kids every min. And I let them learn on there own. I let them play outside, like I use to but even I didn't walk to school. And I turned out just fine.

    IAmSomeone
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (I'm a woman, ok no, just a 14-15 yr girl, but nevermind) yeah, We can't even have a minute of peace, always perverted people, everywhere and at all times. And online too unfortunately. I've never meet perverts, but if I'll meet one, I'll just give him what he deserves: a kick between his legs. Trust me, this is the best way to do it

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    #8

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now There’s some sense of entitlement I’ve noticed. Like “I deserve a better grade” or “I deserve an extension because this week has been hard”. Plus some sense of arrogance: “why should I follow your instructions? My way is better”. To be fair, sometimes their way is better and I have learned from them in some occasions.

    pulsed19 , Gabe Pierce Report

    SelkieBlackfysh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's usually picked up from the parents at home. They listen to mom or dad rant about how they deserve more pay for doing multiple people's jobs. Then also seeing how mom and dad's decisions usually back fire so why the f**k listen to any adult they're all the same right?

    Danny Haworth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These “risks” have always been prevalent. However, todays world is a lot smaller with social media, 24/7 news coverage etc, 30 years ago the only headlines we heard were local ones within a 20ish mile radius or national ones that affected the nation.

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    Rose-A-Lix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I somehow found a formula for some algebra equation in my head that worked an okay percent of the time the problem is i don't know how i did that and i have no understanding of the actual formula

    Who Panda 420
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My teachers used to make us do math their way. We had to show our work and no matter if we got the answer right we would still get it wrong if we did not use the formula that they taught. My mom taught me a few little tricks that I couldn't even use.

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    Glen Barratt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Previous generations (generation X and older) grew up listening to their elders, their churches, their parents, and other social and ecclesiastic leaders and found later in life that the goals and purpose that those leaders and institutions pushed to instill in them, turned out in the end, to not be very important to them. That was caused in part, by the world changing - job markets, social order, religion, etc. The generation having children now are basically telling and raising their children to find their own purpose and desire in life. And yes it creates very self-centered kids and a total disrespect for would-be leaders, such as teachers.

    M Rob
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please do not down vote ( I dont want to be banned again) I don't think of it so much of entitlement, but the courage to question. There is not as much fear of authority, so they have the courage to question. We need to teach them how to question without being confrontational but with respect. And as adults... we are not always right, admit it and you will earn respect.

    凜Kat순아
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Zero empathy alert? More information about this situation is needed.

    Swear Wolfe
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America is entitled in general. (I'm American myself) I now live in another country and it's so much better here than it ever was in America. We are too spoiled with items and fancy foods that we don't acknowledge our problems and continue to think we are a united nation better than anywhere else. Far from the truth.

    Lydia Owen the Bi-tch
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair, the extension if asked with a professional/respectful tone can be given, the college professors will do it, 90% of the time. Being arrogant about it is Not ok.

    GMc
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not sure where you went to college, but that is definitely not the case where I went. Your choice was to have the assignment done and in (even if it was only partially done for part marks) at the specified time and place (back when we used paper) or it wasn't.

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    Another Amy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is VERY true among college students. I've had some miss most of the semester, turn in a small handful of assignments, and expect to pass. It's weird.

    Anastasia Redmond
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They should try Oxford, 2 essays a week is the standard.

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    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It really should be on a situation to situation basis. It's within the instructor's rights to give the children their final along with absolutely all of their other instructors, but when reviews come around, you need to deal with the repercussions then. And if your way was worse than theirs, tell them their way is indeed better, but do it in such way that isn't "you're right and I'm wrong" as that will only inflate their egos.

    krishna sandesh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Teachers complaining about self respecting confident students

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    #9

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Less ownership of learning/sense of curiosity, less grit/resilience, and large sense of entitlement. I teach middle school in the somewhat rural area where I grew up, and I still love my job and "my kids", but damn, it is so much more difficult these days.

    LeftWren , woodleywonderworks Report

    Shane S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if there’s less curiosity because there’s easy access to knowledge via the internet. If I know I can Google the answer, it kind of removes a lot of the thought process of trying to piece it together in my head first. I can just look it up. I don’t have to figure it out myself to come up with a working hypothesis.

    Scifi1203
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what I think, I think it's SOOO easy to access information that younger people take it for granted. As a 45 yr old who works/worled with several young adults, I have to say a lot of them ask the most banal questions, while a supercomputer is in their pocket. It's a bit frustrating, tbh.

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    Sina
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm afraid that this also has to do with the change on the education system in the past 20 years, that went from learning, to bringing in good grades at the standardized testing. Pressure on kids to bring good grades that will forever remain with them and can determine their future prospects are insane nowadays. They feel they can't fail or take their time to properly learn something, or they might lose a scholarship, or be rejected by colleges in the future. But I'm not an educator, so I could be wrong :)

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, I think you're right. Students aren't pushed to be creative or curious, they're pushed to get *the* right answer. And if they can't do that, they fail. Of course they're only going to do the bare minimum if that's all the school cares about

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    GettingCereal
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This one imo depends on what kind of learning is taught at school. I always hated the fact dumping and learning by rote. The teachers who instead presented information by basically going into the context and connections were the best. Also more important than just forcing kids to learn facts: critical thinking and teaching how to learn and research. Facts can quickly be forgotten, but skills are more likely to be retained.

    凜Kat순아
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "sense of curiosity" I hope to never lose this.

    BadCat
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YES. Kids want to label authoritative, assertive adults as entitled and give us names? HOLY COW are kids entitled. They don't listen to adults at all. Not all, but enough to notice it everywhere.

    Michelle Tripp
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They put very little effort into learning something new. They answer questions with"I don't know" and say they are finished. They refuse to look up the answer themselves.

    RandomFrog(He/They️‍️)
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I actually think I’m more curious since I got a phone. Cuz I love and need projects (I think I have adhd or smth but can’t do one thing for very long) so now I can google how to make paper, how to make oat milk, how to do this or that and i can google any question I have abt anything. Before I’d just kinda wonder but now I can learn whenever. Edit: im the kinda person who deep dives into stuff. Like I’ll google a question and then go down a rabbit hole and learn a lot about something rather than just what I was wondering before.

    Shauna Voigt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a former teacher (who left teaching 2 years ago due to overindulged students and demanding parents during COVID-19) a huge problem is an entitled generation of kids that have never been told no, have had their bad behaviors excused away constantly, and know mom/dad will step in at the first sign they may have to face consequences and defend and deflect on why their child shouldn't have to face them. We now have parents questioning why we as teachers are failing their precious child and not questioning their child on why they are failing. There are students graduating to the next grade level without mastering all objectives in their current grade because parents will ignore a teachers concerns all year and then fight all the way to the top, with lawyers in tow, because being an active participant in their child's education throughout the year interferes

    Shauna Voigt
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    with whatever they deem more important and honestly don't feel it's their responsibility when it should 100% be the schools. In about 10 years or so we are going to have a nation overrun with uneducated, irresponsible adults who have no idea how to solve problems, self manage their time, and unable to control themselves at the word no.

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    Reinaldo Fuentes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gotta wonder how often the word "entitlement" gets used to mean "willing to challenge what I say in a manner sufficiently erudite that I must retreat into misusing words like entitlement to soothe my imposter syndrome".

    Edison Michael
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It probably occurs, but not as often as you might think. Have seen no student bring forth a well constructed argument to change the curriculum, yet, and only once a student bring a new approach to a problem, but I have seen a LOOOOT of students miss classes and literally scream at any teacher that doesn't give them a copy of the same test their classmates did the previous day "right now", or repeatedly refuse to turn off the phone during an exam and threaten the teacher for annuling their test for that.

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    GayBoi
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Junior High student, my reason for just not caring as much is because I know I won't need most of the information I learn. I know that our world is beyond messed up, and because of my depression, I don't see how I could ever make a difference, so what's the point?

    Melissa
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Depression makes everything tougher. It's hard to even keep up with doing the things you enjoy. I assume you are on summer break right now and probably don't have much (if any) school work. A little unsolicited advice here, try to research the history of random things to pique your curiosity. Literally anything at all photography, submarines, tubas, board games, pancakes, rubber ducks, snowmen, etc. Is it important? Probably not, but you'll learn something new and keep your mind busy. One step at a time.

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    #10

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I’ve been a teacher for 15 years and one thing I’ve noticed is that in recent years the “breakfast club” stereotypes like jocks, nerds, etc. seem to be falling by the wayside and kids seem to be hidden under many layers of irony.

    I_Cum_Pancake_Batter , Annie Spratt Report

    Rose-A-Lix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually i found that the people participating in after school stuff and the gamers still seem to gather in the same spot its pretty easy to pick out the theater kids and cheerleaders

    Crowsgoin*brrr*
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes the theater kids ARE the cheerleaders (some are my friends lmao)

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    Felix Grace
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    what I've personally noticed is my school still has jocks/athletic kids, but popular kids are known more for illegal activity rather than being up-to-date on trends and such

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Popularity at my middle school was a lot different than popularity at my high school. In middle school the "popular kids" were idolized for rule breaking and illegal activity. In high school, there were still the small groups of kids who gained notoriety by doing wrong but the larger groups of "popular kids" and also the most well known were kind, funny, and determined.

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    Nitka Tsar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Question about the picture: is this a portrayal of real life in the US? I mean especially the styrofoam containers for food. Is this how cafeteria food is served at schools?

    Kay
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my school food was served in styrofoam containers, but not all of them do it that way

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    Marah
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always find the stoners tho 😂

    The Grim Shadow
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The stoners are everywhere at my school, they are all somewhat popular, half the time if they have long hair it's a stoner

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    FoxenWulf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They still have social groups who sit separately

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We never really had those stereotypes (or at least it didn't influence who you were friends with much) at my school. I don't know for sure, but even when my parents were at school it was prominent, except for the sporty kids at dad's school (afl and cricket in a country school is always going to be important to many). Maybe it's because we aren't American or maybe I just didn't see it (I was oblivious to quite a bit at school) but I didn't notice people only flocking to others that shared all their hobbies etc, you could be friends with pretty much anyone, as long as you had some shared interests.

    LittleLiz
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those Breakfast Club stereotypes and the attitudes that go with them are still there. Some of them may have shifted. Mostly it seems like each group has cliques and categories that echo the bigger groups. Also, kids can belong to multiple groups, so it can get confusing even for the kids themselves. In my school, there were the breakfast club stereotypes. For an easy example, there were "The Nerds", but not all nerds are the same. The social studies nerds were the "princesses" (relatively big social group, somewhat shallow, gatekeeping), the performing-arts nerds were the "jocks" (up at dawn, super energetic and excited, like showing off), etc...

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    #11

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Been teaching since 2006. Kids are getting worse with computers due to them mostly using smart devices. I'm spending more time teaching things like how to double click and enter a URL than I used to. Otherwise they seem the same though. It's the parents that are different--they're overextended and their kids are suffering since their parents don't have the spoons to engage in their education as much as they need to.

    fruitjerky , Trevor Owens Report

    Whitefox
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    upvote for spoon theory!

    Katchen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is that autocorrect or is spoon theory a thing? I’m feeling pretty ignorant right now.

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    JJ(they/them)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Slightly irrelevant, but the spoon theory is so legitimate. i have ADHD, autism, and a couple other things and maybe it's just for neurodiverse people but I have to very conciously decide where to put my energy so I can not mentally shut down. sorry if this is a tangent but it really needs to be more widely acknowledged (not that it isn't already)

    Gin Sutaraito
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Welcome to the ADHD and autism club lol (coming from someone with ADHD and autism)

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    Tim Crowhurst
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not that the parents don't have the spoons. It's that their employers are taking those spoons away from them.

    Doge
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the first one that seems to try to look at problem sources instead of just going "kids these days"

    James G. Currie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still that bad eh? -- I remember attending pre-millennium, Computer 050 - "This is a mouse. This how you move the mouse. This is how you select items..." 3 credit hour course, and the first week was how to use the mouse. Didn't help that the campus had Macs AND PCs in the same labs, and that instruction with one did not necessarily equate to proper usage of the other! lol

    SelkieBlackfysh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gotta thank big daddy government for parents not having time to raise the kids they keep getting encouraged to have.

    Christina Landers
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank your supreme court for the forced births on the horizon that will increase the number of ill equiped and unwilling parents.

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    Tim
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's funny to me because computers are soooo much more powerful than smart devices, yet they seem to be falling to the wayside because they aren't portable enough to carry in your pocket. I've also noticed that computer applications are being designed to mirror phone apps more and more, which I hate.

    Joshie Nieto
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember getting to highschool and students/teachers alike were shocked at how dumb I was when using a computer. Like my parents didn't have money to buy me a computer so if anything needed to be printed I would go to the library and have someone there help me kus as a kid, I didn't know how and neither did my parents. Some kids don't know how use a computer because parents can't afford to buy one when "phones can do the same."

    JessieMcG
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recently sat my A-Levels (UK student 18) and there were SO MANY that barely knew how to use a computer (& they needed one due to extra need - I get a computer and 25% extra time for my dyslexia). Even when I was in high school (finishes at aged 16 in UK) in my COMPUTER SCIENCE class (which was their chosen option for GCSEs) no one knew how to use the basics of word/powerpoint/publisher/etc. I'm so glad my dad works as a BI Developer and tought me all of these kinds of things when I was younger or I would look just as rediculous as them!

    Gary Harkins
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the perfect response to #3 above!

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    #12

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Mainly, I have noticed kids are both more remarkable and emotionally/mentally weaker. I'll watch a group of ninth graders perform a flawless orchestra concert. Then, the next day they'll break down in a full on anxiety attack. I don't know what happened, but teenagers' coping skills have gone to hell in a hand basket. Maybe overprotective/helicopter parents are to blame? Who knows?

    anon , Dev Asangbam Report

    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or maybe the hell of a world we live in

    Hannah J
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly think it’s both. My cousin is 14 and her parents have helicopter parented her up until the last year or so and are now making her do everything her self. She has no idea how to do things like use a microwave or cook because she was never taught how and comes to me for help with school work now. Her parents also don’t understand why she is so stressed after code red incidents (there were two at her school last year) because they never had them.

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    Amy S
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I was a kid we just broke down in private because it was seen as shameful, glad that's changing.

    piruoztek
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly, I was suffering my whole teenage years because I had to force smile while I wanted to cry. But I can't. And I'm 90s kid, before that it was even worse

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    Alei Griffieon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, I think todays kids are a hell of a lot stronger than we were. If i had to worry about being shot in school on the daily i would have had poor coping skills also

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    I’ve been a martial artist for 11 years this month in spite of 2 diagnoses, one when I was 9 (and a blue belt) and the other when I was 16 (and a second-degree black belt). I’ll have my third-degree black belt by 2025.

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    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    dangers of climate change, hyper capitalism, pandemics, if you’re in the US - likelihood of someone with a semi automatic assault weapon running through your school, oh i wonder why kids have anxiety.

    Mr Ntts
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's more than that, because existential threats (and more local and real threats) have always loomed over generations. Consider the threat of nuclear Armageddon that threatened generations who grew up in the 70s/80s for instance. No it's something more, personally I think it's social media, a decline in our culture and changes in parenting (some changes have been good of course, but some maybe not so).

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    Jojo40
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a teenager who has been alive for 16 years, there have been over 180 school shootings, the global temperature is rising, I was stuck at home due to a pandemic for 2 years, and yet I'm told I am emotionally weaker because I have anxiety. My parents were not the problem the world we live in is. Please give kids a chance before you pass judgement, I promise we really are trying our best.

    Alicia GriffonLady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And hopefully you'll learn from us older folks mistakes and build a better world/s... or space stations. >.>

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    Zanna Hoffman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or they weren't trained from the cradle to hide their emotions and suck it up...cause um things got addressed at home...also trauma victims will get through a very stressful event and melt down when things are "normal" so there's that

    Mohammad Ammar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Social media is partly to blame. People nowadays are constantly bombarded with news and information they're better off not knowing.

    Tim
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They aren't necessarily better off not knowing, but the constant bombardment with it is stressful.

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    Sophia
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We're more depressed" Well no s**t Sherlock what do you expect with the world we have to live in (especially in the US). We have to deal with climate change, getting womens right taken away and possibly also birth control rights and same sex marriage rights, even though we already thought those rights were staying for good here in the US which will directly affect a lot of people when they are older. Not to mention education and Healthcare being way too expensive. Any kid who educates themselves on the world is most likely going to have some form and anxiety and/or depression.

    Mr Ntts
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No that doesn't really make sense. Doesn't explain how did 70s/80s kids managed. They had their own existential threats hanging over them, (as all generations did) particularly the ever present fear of nuclear Armageddon along with many of the same social and economic stressors. Not to mention that it was far harder for LGBT folk in the 80s. Not trying to be critical, but I fail to see what is different (the specific threats and worries may be but overall there's no difference) Also consider that the same thing happens outside the US. In Northern Ireland where I live the kids are like this, yet their parents objectively had a far harder/scarier time growing up (30 year low level civil war). So clearly there are other factors at play beyond 'life is rubbish/hard/mean'. Personally I think social media has a big role to play in this, along with parenting that is either overindulgent or far too distant/neglectful.

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    BadCat
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids are more open about their emotions. Back when I was in school I had break downs all the time and I was told to just suck it up and stop crying. No one wanted to deal with my issues or just take the time to listen. Kids are not weaker today. They're freer to express themselves.

    Nolgoth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had to hold s**t in more back in the day. Especially guys, but in general showing and emotional reactions to stress was frowned upon. Turned a lot of people into crappy adults later. Showing emotion is a *good* voping skill anf should be encouraged

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    #13

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I’m a professor. Downside: 1) students are getting worse at understanding what a good source is. “Googling” is research. 2) They are significantly less engaged- I’ve taught similar courses for at least 15 years. These cohorts speak very little in class. 3) their oral speaking and debate skills are much worse. 4) They have shorter attentions and can’t focus in on deeper material. Upside: 1) They are kinder to a more diverse people. Not that I don’t see mean/dickish behavior, but it’s less accepted. 2) they are fairly creative. 3) They want to be involved at a higher level. But #4 downside plus #3 upside makes them frustrating to manage because they come across to us older folks (gen X here) as very entitled (ie, they immediately want what we worked a long time for & they do not have the skill set or experience for the positions they think they deserve). So I fire a lot more of them than I ever had to in the past.

    duramater22 , arkanperdana Report

    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First Gen X reference I’ve seen… 😉

    foofoofloofy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gen Xer's have been shoved to the side in the gen war. Which is sad because they are SO. F****N'. COOL!

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    Mrs. Jan Glass
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The way we Gen X-ers read younger generations as entitled has a lot to do with the fact that we, generally, were just... left to our own devices. Our boomer parents were still pretty young then, and a lot of them had married and had us WAY too young, and had no idea what they were doing, or even if they wanted to do it in the first place. By the time we were in school, a bunch of us were experiencing being the first generation of suburban kids with divorced parents and single/working moms being the norm. We had very little adult supervision until someone reacted and panicked about something stupid and went super-reactionary, accusing us of violence because, we, you know... listened to music they didn't like or participated in fandoms they didn't understand or were queer. We were constantly living in utter terror of nuclear war, economic collapse, AIDS, environmental disaster, rich people taking everything- We have WAY more in common if y'all would, you know, NOTICE us. Not just our awesome music.

    Kristal
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thanks for explaining what GenX really is. I guess I'm technically a millennial (1987) but was raised like GenX

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    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is so scary that people rely on Google and have no idea whether the information is credible. I was doing some research this week for a matter involving a bank and fraudulent activity . Googled looking for commentary, articles etc. Some information about an unrelated scam but nothing on the scam that my client got caught up in. I went through all the pages that came up, not just the first page. Tried another search engine and there it was - pages of articles, reports to government authorities, and commentary about this particular scam. Not one of these links came up on Google. If I'd just gone by the information in Google I would have thought my client was an outlier which she certainly isn't.

    ί𝔫CίŦᵃт𝐔𝐬
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Community College instructor here. Given stereotypes, you'd think my students are all mouth breathers who embody all these less-than-appealing traits. On the contrary, I have bright (much more so than me), engaging students from a diverse set of backgrounds who are capable of relating ancient philosophy to modern problems with razor sharp insight. I can hardly keep them on schedule, they're so busy debating.

    Mrs. Jan Glass
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ended up w Ivy League and Oxbridge degrees after starting in community college. Anyone who suggests community college is somehow "lesser" rather than "accessible" is the actual mouth breather. Our failure to value our learning institutions in America is one of the main problems here.

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    James G. Currie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can't tell you how many times I've told people Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. If you're going to use it, take what you need, and then start researching those points, because many will be false. (Even now, with stricter controls, "vandalism" is far too frequent.)

    Mrs. Jan Glass
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I teach them that the value of Wikipedia is to see what sources are cited. Then go look at those sources and find THEIR sources, etc.

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    Frank Hassler
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh I can totally relate to this one. As a small business owner in a fairly technical field, I get a lot of recent graduates applying for manager positions when they don’t even have the basic skill set to be a technician.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How....how can you fire a student?

    oddly_informed_raven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Googling is research because we were never taught how to research properly on the internet.

    JB
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Googling can be a part of research but should never be used exclusively. For one, there are other, better, search engines (you can Google for them 😉). For another, don’t most schools and universities have those odd buildings called “libraries“? Self-learning is a thing or you could do something outlandish such as ask for help. Most importantly of all, unless teaching has changed so dramatically in the decades since I left university, nevermind high school, I’m fairly certain they gave you information on reference materials and how to use them. Edit: removed random space.

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    #14

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Not a teacher, but in higher education-- They really really want guidance. A scary amount of guidance. I don't know anyone else's experience, but when I was a kid and had a question my parent's couldn't answer, they would say "well, there are three sets of encyclopedias down the hall and you have a library at school. Figure it out. "

    anon , SHVETS production Report

    Bryan W.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Now we say Google it and there's Wikipedia. YouTube how tos.. How is that any less effective than a library or encyclopedia? I'm not sure what this person's point is.

    Giovanna
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They don't even look it up themselves. They ask the teachers.

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    Saw It
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why people today are so eager to give up their freedom and independence to an unknown, faceless corporate "authority" or government. They don't Want to be independent. They Must have someone hold their hand and tell them what/how to be. This, to me, is the most terrifying post here--the most terrifying I've read in my life. We are teaching our children to willingly, eagerly, give up their autonomy, and to give up if they can't do it on their own rather than persevere and learn resilience.

    Howaboutno
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of people have suggested on here that this is coming from a place of laziness but I have an alternate theory: I know that I personally do ask a lot of people questions I could just Google, not out of laziness, but because I know that that person probably knows something about the topic and I want *their* insight specifically, a lot more than I want that information. Is it possible that we're living in a world where more and more kids are looking for interpersonal connection anywhere where they can get it, to the point of trying to socialize through *information*? I could be talking out my a*s here, but it seems alarmingly probable, especially since that also explains why kids wouldn't just Google it after being shut down; it was never about the information in the first place.

    Sarah Tyrrell
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, I hated when I asked my parents how to spell something and they'd tell me to look it up in the dictionary. How can I look up a word in the dictionary if I don't know how to spell it?!

    Charleybo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You sound it out and look till you find it...or not. The point is/was to put forth some effort into finding out for yourself, using the tools at hand, rather than having it handed to you. If unable to find or figure it out, then you would ask again and hopefully have a discussion on the particular word/spelling/sounding of it, etc. It was a great learning process for me, although very frustrating at times, but I actually learned much more in the end than I would have otherwise. I was somewhat slow in learning, comprehension, and retaining the material, but once I was taught this way I never stopped trying & learning.

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    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My thing here is just guide them on what to look for. There is a LOT of false information out there, and you don't want them finding the wrong thing.

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think they don't feel like they have the tools. Instead of saying, "Go look it up," maybe try walking them through that so they can do that for future questions. To be fair I definitely don't think every child is as curious as I was and am and I know there aren't as many teachers willing to feed into that curiosity but maybe that could be a start.

    Ethereal Canvas
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I loved searching in my dictionaries. I stopped often because a word or an image marked me & started reading about it. It expanded my horizons so much.

    Who Panda 420
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just that once you got to the library you had to know how to use the card catalog because there were no computers at first. Then you had to know enough about the Dewey decimal system to find your book.

    Charleybo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We learned the Dewey Decimal System in the 3rd grade in 1966. I loved it. Never had a problem finding the book I needed/wanted thereafter.

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    Stutter271
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone who always has/had higher education, I can say that it’s very hard to try and take that risk because we have this privilege of being in a higher set of education. We don‘t wanna take that risk and mess it up. It’s something my teachers have said time and time again that I’m not confident and this seems to be an issue with a lot of higher intelligence students

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    #15

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now 1. Lack of persistence. This is loosely correlated to [instant gratification conditioning.](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:EDPR.0000012344.34008.5c) If they can't figure something out on the first try, they require hand-holding for each step. And if they get frustrated with the hand-holding, they give up. 2. Fear of taking risks. Related to #1, helicopter parenting, and the cultural effects of high stakes testing. For example, a colleague asked if I could pick up his son and take him to lessons because he didn't trust the kid to make it on his own. The kid is 13, and the lessons are a one mile walk from his school through a safe neighborhood. 3. Tech dependent, not tech savvy. Kids who can tell you every YouTube video they've watched this week, and how to download extra skins on Minecraft, but don't know how to use a printer, or how to get anywhere without Google Maps. 4. Lack of problem solving skills. This is directly related, IMO, to all three of the first issues.

    2friedchknsAndaCoke , cottonbro Report

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would install GPS in my brain if I could. I am "directionally challenged ". Until I go somewhere several times, I use GPS. All the streets in my old subdivision were "Park something " Lived there 7 years and still got turned around. I wouldn't let my kids walk that far alone. Neighborhood might be safe, but things happen. But that's me

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same here. I still need gps to move around my old hometown because i have 0 orientation and memory. Before google maps i would just get lost all the time.

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    Paul Pienkowski
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one really knows how to use a printer. They break, jam, or just refuse to print if you look at them wrong. They can't print your black and white document because they're out of magenta. God, fuckk printers.

    Linnea
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    IKR? We have robots landing on Mars and cameras the size of a grain of sand, but somehow no one can make a printer that works? WTF?

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    SelkieBlackfysh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Admittedly I have gps on anywhere I drive even if I know the way. 1. I like knowing the ETA. I don't enjoy driving because other drivers tend to be unaware morons who stress and tire me. 2. If traffic is ever absolute butt I can take surface streets and turns and it will help keep me on track despite whatever direction I'm forced to go due to traffic.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Me too because i know that if i miss a turn or make any mistake the gps will redirect me instead of me getting lost.

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    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was helicopter parented. Can confirm, you get anxious children when you don't tell them anything, don't let them explore, scream at them constantly for things they don't understand, and just throw the answer at them when you get frustrated with trying to teach them.

    Kitty Stedman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And keep in mind, in the world we live in, neighbors call Dfacs just because they see children playing in their own yards without adult supervision. We aren’t allowed to raise our children the way we were raised.

    Deborah B
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So focus on teaching them how to use the resources available to them to solve the sorts of problems they will find.

    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    not lack of problem solving skills, but different skill set. if they are interested in something, most will develop skills and find a way to solve things. they can tell you how to use all functions of tiktok or where and how to get said minecraft skins. i, a grown adult do not know how to do these things.

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fear of taking risks thing is something I still struggle with, at least academically. I tend to do just the bare minimum because I know if I shoot to high and fail to meet that deadline, it doesn't matter what my goal is, I still failed. It's also why I hardly ask questions in class; most teachers don't like going on tangents to help connect the lessons to other things, they just want to talk and for us to take notes.

    Debra Adkins
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    recently retired teacher of 40 years here: ditto on the problem solving. They can't think outside the box. I had the valedictorian plus his 3 equally smart boys in a group to do a presentation. One boy got sick and could not come to school so the leader told me that they could not present...I asked them why not since all their slides were on a group presentation and when his part came up, they could just Zoom him on the screen to a picture within the frame and he could do his presentation remotely. One of the guys actually did a face slap saying that he hadn't thought of that. All of his issues mentioned above are definitely present. Yes, kids are more tolerant of those who are different and they are kinder. They are not bad people; in fact, they are lovely people but they need so much more in hand holding and support.

    Danette Pelletier
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spot on. All of it. You can really see this in some jobs. I had to get special permission to get a printer for WFH since no one uses them anymore. In meetings, I can often pull out a hard copy of an important doc faster than others can look it up.

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    #16

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Not a teacher in the strictest sense, but I do a lot of tutoring, and I briefly taught some junior comp eco courses at the local elementary school. The biggest thing I’ve noticed is an over abundance of “lawnmower” parents—parents who plow down any obstacle in their kids’ paths without ever letting them challenge themselves. I had parents who would do their kids’ assignments for them because they were “hard,” then yell at the instructors when their children weren’t learning. The other big thing is that knowledge of proper grammar seems to have really decreased. I know high school honors students who can barely string together a coherent sentence. I read and edit essays/resumes/research papers sometimes, and they were often borderline illegible because nobody knew basic spelling and punctuation. I had to actually teach people—some of whom were in AP English classes—that you need to capitalize proper nouns and put quotes around dialogue. People also don’t know how to use word processors for some reason—loads of students had no idea how to even center text, so they’d just press space until their titles were roughly in the middle of the paper.

    ArcadiaPlanitia , issaphotography Report

    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This! The grammar, OY! I remember diagraming sentences in 5th grade, and now, I see the damn incorrect overuse of the apostrophe everywhere! 🤦🏽‍♀️

    JB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Except where its supposed to be (yes, that’s deliberate)

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    humdrum
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm an editor (not in this language) and I feel I'm going to be employed forever.

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't they learn to diagram sentences anymore? I know they aren't teaching cursive writing. Had a teacher get upset when youngest turned in a paper written in cursive because the other students wouldn't be able to read it! My kids hated that I am a GRAMMAR NAZI! I read their essays, research papers etc. Made them do it right. Corrected speaking too.

    C. T.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sentence 3 has no subject; it should begin with "I." The same is true for the last two sentences. Similarly, you should say "my youngest," not "youngest." The whole third sentence is too long to be unpunctuated. A comma is always needed before "etc." The whole reply should be two paragraphs, not one. 7/10 for grammar and punctuation. (I think the invention of the telegraph has had a deleterious effect on the language.) Nazis are people who think it is acceptable to kill people to get ahead. Do you execute your children for bad grammar?

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    Riley Warrick
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a freshman and when I was in 4th through 6th grade, the teachers would have us partner up and "grade" each other's papers. The grammar and spelling would drive me crazy! Plus their handwriting was kinda messy, but maybe I thought that because I'm low vision. But I get exactly what this person is talking about.

    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You were lucky to have had that teacher! All the best with your studies.

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    Eastendbird
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In England children study grammar and punctuation throughout Primary (elementary) school and have national tests on the subjects before graduating.

    JB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank ‘generic omniscient deity’! At least you’re still giving them a chance of getting “all the things” right or mostly right or even somewhere in the approximate vicinity.

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    RandomFrog(He/They️‍️)
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whatt??? In elementary we had computer classes where we learned to type, format, and use computers and printers and stuff like that. And it’s crazy we don’t do that now. Like my brother doesn’t know what a google tab was. He thought you had to open a whole new window.

    John Mason
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Grammar is good, not for its own sake but for the discipline it demands in both thought and written word. It gives clarity. However, if it's not taught and then required, a basic thinking skill is lost. Perhaps it's because those who teach were, themselves, never taught grammar. (Ditto mathematics and sciences).

    James G. Currie
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see the last *daily* at work. Instead of using the Tab key, they insert a random number of spaces that *approximates* the appropriate distance. I've seen otherwise seemingly intelligent people writing a 2 page report somehow turn it into a 25+ page report, with less than 2 pages of actual text. (Edit: this is going back across 20 years!)

    David Force
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m close to my only child and I used to volunteer in school all the time when she was younger so she invited me to sit in her last week of college classes. I was surprised that in this senior level class at a prestigious university it was entirely about proper punctuation. She was offered a job as a book editor at publishing house because of that class.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They're, their, there, fore, for, four, to, two, too. It's not hard to remember what goes where, and yet, no one seems to freakin understand it starting with my gen, the millennials. It's really annoying when you're reading a book that has been published for a while, and your brain does a total knee-jerk because you read "I gave her cpr and she finally was able to breath." IT'S BREATHE.

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    #17

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Lawnmower parents, more emphasis on test scores, and more reliance on technology. Less interest in learning and too much interest in social media.

    anon , Patricia Prudente Report

    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve never heard of “Lawnmower Parenting” 🤷🏽‍♀️

    juice
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    kind of like how helicopter parenting means hovering around your kid at all times, lawnmower parenting means mowing down all the obstacles so your kid has an easier time (and consequently never learns to deal with problems). similar metaphors.

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    Rost it
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Man boomers really screwed up.

    IAmSomeone
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ikr. Why did someone downvote u? U said a right thing, in my opinion. (♀️)

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    Lydia Owen the Bi-tch
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My kids want me to be a lawnmower mom, but I'm not going to at all. They see it from their cousins and I'm just not about that. I do let them have technology, but neither have access to social media, and I make sure they both have a creative outlet and they both have timed amounts they have to read a physical book. Chores, and times to do outside games and lawn work. Trying to create well rounded adults.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents never really gave a s**t if I was understanding everything. They just wanted my grades to be high. I mean sheesh, I could have cheated on every good grade I had, and they'd never know!

    El Dee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do they mean 'helicopter parents'?

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    #18

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Mental health. Each semester, I refer at least two or three students per class to campus counselling services. A couple add-on observations: - Students obviously now feel much more comfortable talking to their professors about their personal issues. I believe in educating the whole student, so I am OK with this. Also, I legitimately believe students have more stress on their plates now than they did 20 years ago. Increased competition, a weakening (North American) economy, climate change anxiety, the impacts of social media on self-worth, etc. - At least 50% of the students I refer to counselling have already gone. I am impressed at the proactive nature younger people are taking with regards to their mental health. I agree that the stigma around mental health is decreasing, which I support.

    Bluesiderug , cottonbro Report

    Bec
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agree that kids and young adults are better about expressing their anxiety/mental health issues, but I really just want to be able to teach in my area of expertise, I'm not trained for this other stuff, but I do my best and refer them to resources and hope for the best.

    Gabby M
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've noticed that simply asking a kid if they're okay helps a lot. If they're upset, ask if then if they want to talk about or if they want some space. They appreciate the care.

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    CousinFish
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not buying the "more stress" argument - previous generations had wars and depressions and inflation and oil crises and impeachments/resignations and pollution worries and sexism and racism and violence... And there are infinitely more resources available for assistance, support, and safety nets than ever before. There was continuous life and death stress for cave-teens . As always, each generation has to face and figure out the world they live in for themselves. Their future is in their hands; they are no more or less challenged than every generation before them.

    Dan Tom
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, the "resources" are not working. An increase in medicinal usage, counseling and awareness should see a decrease in symptomatic youths if these things actually worked. Instead the numbers have increased exponentially.

    EJN
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Professors are also so stressed out these days that they are making use of counselling in greater numbers as well.

    SCP-3998
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yea, it's not that there are more mental health issues so much as people are more open and comfortable discussing it, and understand that everyone has some s**t they deal with. That helps so much, and I do wish that kind of thinking was around when I was in high school

    JessieMcG
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, I've known a lot of people go on about their mental health for attention seeking (personal experience as a Gen Z). I fully believe their are people who really need to be helped and I see them as the people who go to someone they are really close to and trust (that can also be a teacher as I've done that before) and be able to discuss their problems. I hate those people who are just doing it for attention or knock the ones who really need help down

    John Mason
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The days of "Duck & Cover" were, perhaps, more stressful than the price of an iPhone increasing.

    Hyde and Seek
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah so is the idea that someone could walk into my school or my baby cousin's school and turn the place into a f*****g slaughterhouse.

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    Swear Wolfe
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think kids have more stress necessarily, they are just more open about it and more willing to fight for being acknowledged in their suffering. As a kid from the 90s I raised my brother alone, have ADHD myself and made sure the chores were done and food was cooked and laundry was in. Not to mention helping my brother with his homework and making sure he showered and got to bed on time. After all that I didn't do homework, I just failed all the time and came to school to get bullied basically.

    Talitha Jansen
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    3 years ago

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    I do feel however that the younger generation is too easily triggered and wants to be shielded and warned about everything. They have often diagnosed themselves with ADD, PTSD and anxiety and will claim to have panic attacks all the time. It makes it incredibly hard to interact with them, especially since they are so fond o labelling everything! Especially the people around them.

    Mrs. Jan Glass
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The labelling thing is such a divide for me, a Gen X-er. We grew up with "why do you need to label everything?!" My students now want definitive names, meanings, and trajectories, very early on. A lot of my kids are working through gender/sexual identities, too, and I want so much to tell them "You're not even 20 yet! Give yourself time to learn and figure things out, and room to change and grow. You don't need to lock yourself into an identity yet!" but they very much need to articulate NOW that "I am bisexual/ACE/enby/pan/femme-leaning" as part of their process. These have been some incredible conversations to have.

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    Don Garretson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Teachers need to teach kids about politics, but not their own politics. Give them the information and let them decide for themselves. A student should never know what, if any, party their teachers belong to or support. If teachers want to help their students succeed, teach them that those currently in control need to be voted out. Schools need to teach only the facts about climate change without all the feelings; they need to be taught that the "science" of climate change has been predicting doom "in the next 20 years" since at least the 1940s and it still has not happened over 80 years later. They need to be taught in the US that the US only contributes under 14% and if the US went 1,000% "Green" tomorrow it'll be over a century before there be a noticeable effect. They need to be taught image on social media only matters of they choose to make it matter. On the one hand they are trying to be themselves, but they give into the unfounded pressure of social media false self-worth.

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    #19

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now First off, the kids are essentially the same--it is the parents who are far more immature. They want to be "buddies" with their kids instead of being, well, parents, so discipline is far worse. Kids know they won't be punished at home so the push the envelope at school. Parents are also making far worse decisions in raising their kids--have your family take a week long vacation in September while your child is flunking my class? Sure! That was unthinkable 10-20 years ago. That said, students have far more distractions now. With the Internet and cell phones, kids no longer talk or even engage with each other in the halls or at lunch. As a result, school activities are suffering as kids now have that damn phone to entertain them after school. This has led to a generation of narcissistic kids that think not only that their **** don't stink, but that we should share in their gift.

    anon , RODNAE Productions Report

    LaLaMama
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not in the US and where I live most schools banned the use of phones, except if a teacher specifically allows it.

    Sophia
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same here and I do live in the US (although I wish I didn't)

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    Linnea
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who the hell pulls their child out of school to go on a family vacation? The three months they have off each summer, plus the two weeks in winter and the other two weeks in spring, aren't enough? The family couldn't have taken that vacation in August instead of September? Is this even legal? Wouldn't it be considered truancy? I would think parents would be in a whole heap of trouble for keeping their kids out of school for a whole week when they aren't sick. There are laws requiring kids to go to school. Also, how could a child be "failing" a class in SEPTEMBER? School just started, how could anyone possibly be failing already? So many questions.

    Pizzagirl 91
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Germany, and there were cases of parents pulling their children out for a vacation a few years back. Their logic is that the hotel etc. prices are going to be lower outside the actual school breaks, that there won't be such a wait at airports etc. Several parents were caught in doing that, I just don't know what happened to them.

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    Sonia Reddel
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being fair, one reason for term-time holidays has come about as costs have risen. We recently went on a Centreparks holiday that cost over £2000 in the school break but in term time costs £800. Not everyone can afford a school break holiday. Seriously, it was nice but it was a static caravan. I remember being on driving holidays as a kid and a night at a caravan park cost a few £ only.

    Key Lime
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes the only time people can get off work is in non prime time. When I was working, vacation time was granted by seniority, so only the old folks got time off in the summer or at Christmas.

    Fiddy E
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Student here... Kids DO still talk in the halls and at lunch, in fact they talk so loud and so much the teachers have to get them to stop!

    Pjerrot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Parents won’t Own That They there a the Problem & Reason Why things are Why The Are!!!!

    Charleybo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are cell phones even a thing at school? I thought school was for learning, not constant distractions and interruptions. I'd definitely give the kid(s) the very grade they made. If it's failing, so be it. It's on them. Turn the phones OFF!

    Dean Turner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wish my kids' school would ban cell phones altogether, but they allow them to simply keep them put away. As a result, every now and then my 14 yo step daughter will text me something dumb in class or complaints about the teacher and I have to tell her to put the damn phone away and pay attention. We can't take it away from her because her dad pays the bill and it's in the divorce decree that my wife not prevent her from using it. Seriously limits our options for discipline. Luckily she's a pretty damn good kid.

    Katherine Battles
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Children should not be allowed to have a cell phone on their person while at school period. That is just an added distraction. But most of you with common sense should know this.

    Jocksan Garcia
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My school completely banned phones

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    #20

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Computer Science teacher here. There has been a definite move over time from trying to learn how to do something towards trying to find a ready made answer. Whenever I set my students an assignment, we discuss what they should do if they get stuck - typically involving re-reading notes, looking at the resources they've been given, looking at prior work, perhaps finally using web based resources. Students have always (as long as the web has been a thing) skipped straight to the last one, bit the subtle change is rather than searching for HOW to do something, most now just search for a fully formed complete answer which they can copy and hand in.

    Gavcradd , Arif Riyanto Report

    Bryan W.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And if not, they'll go to a Reddit sub on the subject and ask for an answer like they're working on a real project. You can usually tell because they don't even bother to set up any of the context one would need to actually answer it.

    Kate
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh, it's great in r/history -- kids will post their essay questions verbatim and be all *shocked Pikachu* when the regulars tell them to do their own homework.

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    Kim Kermes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been seeing this among adults over the years. I wonder if rigid teaching when teachers require exactly the answer they want and insist there is only one way to arrive at an answer, as well as teaching to the test as forced by standardized testing. Parents make a difference, too. Mine encouraged me to ask questions, answered when they could, and taught me to look it up in our own Britannica, which they considered an investment in us. Probably had to pay it off over time, as we were working class.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should try telling them to leave it for a bit and come back later. That helps too. I was trying to learn base 5, and asked my math teacher because I just could not understand. She tried explaining after reading it herself, then told me "you know what? You're already on next year's stuff (weird computer program we used), just take some time, summer's almost here. I bet you'll get it right away when you come back!" And I did. Your brain subconsciously ruminates on information you're trying to remember or figure out, and sometimes, a good sleep or just some time away from thinking about it can help tremendously.

    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    as if adult developers haven‘t been doing this for ages

    DaveR38
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ex developer turned FE (post 16) educator here. What you say is very true, but I still want my learners to at least grasp the basics of putting a program together, otherwise they will struggle when faced with something new or out of context...

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    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If there's something I don't understand and I can't contact my teacher or find it in my notes, I look up, not the answer, but something that will HELP ME find the answer. So if it's like a math problem, I try to find the equation or process I need and fill in the blanks like a sentence. If it's a science question about, idk, a specific organelle, I might look up the entire group of organelles and learn about all of them. If you're going to learn something, it should help with something else. Your brain should be like a big ol' tree! Cause if you just look up the answer to a specific problem, you don't know how to apply that to another similar problem.

    El Dee
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm..students searching for the shortest and easiest way to do something? That's been a thing since forever..

    Thomas Ewing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I learned to fix my own cars to save tons of money and get out of jams. I can't imagine operating a machine I can't fix!

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    Bobby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually not necessarily bad. A lot of programming is taking other people's solutions and using them as is, or modifying them to fit your needs. The way it sounds to me, they are developing the skills a real programmer might use. No need to reinvent the wheel when all I need is the wheel in front of me but with a few tweaks

    JB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is this the modern equivalent of getting/paying someone else to do your homework?

    Naj Kutait-Faulkner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I often checked for plagiarism when the content appeared to be cut and pasted from an unreferenced online source. One student copied an entire article - totally unrelated to the subject - and pasted it onto a threaded discussion. She honestly didn’t understand what she had done was dishonest, let alone that it was totally out of context. College entrance exams should be functional, and teachers should not be pressed to pass all students who pass through their doors.

    Ingrid Moon
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also CS teacher here, and science. No matter how many ways I have tried to get my teens to see that there are thousands of resources to help them, that there are even YouTube videos to help them, they will give up before putting in the effort to help themselves.

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    #21

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I’ve noticed that students don’t read as much. I used to read all sorts of books when I was young, and I believe that I’m a better writer for it. I fell in love with Steinbeck in 9th grade and read his works multiple times. How can you learn to write if you’ve never read great writing?

    MysteriousBirdie , cottonbro Report

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm an avid reader, several books a week. I reread if I have nothing new. Both kids love to read & both write. Youngest does custom stories and writes D&D stories. She is a fan of Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes & introduced me to several series I wouldn't have read otherwise. Can't live without books

    Well-Dressed Wolf
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love books; I grew up in the 80s and was a “nerd”, so my only friends were those in the books I read (and my pets). My current puppy is ill/disabled (distemper survivor) so he has met A LOT of vets, vet techs, vet front office people, etc. and I think maybe two people total have recognized that his name - Stilgar - is a character from Frank Herbert’s Dune book series - there are far more people who think I named him for the character in the movie Inglourious Basterds (that character is “Stiglitz”) or worse, “Stiffler” from the American Pie movies. That’s what I get for being a fan of books, I guess XD (then again, all my other pets have obscure art/book/graphic novel-origin names so…) anyway - I am so glad to hear that there are kids out there today still playing D&D and roleplaying! :D

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    James016
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My son loves reading, we have read to him practically every night since we brought him home. He is 7 and can read Fox in Socks perfectly. Teachers can tell which students are read to by their parents and which are not. It's how they read in class, whether they are expressive or just read in a monotone

    BobTDG
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How you read out loud has nothing to do with reading ability. I can be incredibly monotone, and stumble through words (I'm native English speaker) but I seem to be great reader/ comprehension.

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    The Fan Of Nothing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh no, we do read. Just not physical books. We have fanfiction, online books, webcomics, and such. And we can bring these stories anywhere.

    Griff
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was gonna say this lololol Literally so much of the dudes my age are major book nerds, only ones that aren't are the ones with attention disorders (and even then, they all still love to read, it's just their brains can't focus for long enough to generally let them)

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    Jojo40
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please don't blame the children for this. My parents instilled in me a love of reading that has followed me all the way through middle school and into high school. If you have crappy uninvolved parents your not going to be pushed and encouraged the same way.

    Not Telling you
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m 14. I love to read and do so all the time, sometimes on my phone if I can’t find it in a library or there are just a lot of people in the library. Reading is not dead. :)

    Katchen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    After reading the Steinbeck book where a baby gets shot in the head, I decided that I was done with Steinbeck. I’ve only read three of his books and they were all depressing AF.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But do they really read more? In the 2000s teschers and parents kept complaining that kids "dont read nowadays". They would force us to read eeally stupid books in school that would just demotivate non readers. My friends and i were nerds and we read a lot but we were the weirdos not the norm.

    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One strategy I tried was to get the kids to choose their own books within my criteria (otherwise I'd get smart alecs trying to show me "Where's Wally" or similar)

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    Rose-A-Lix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We like to read but most of the time we don't have a way to get books or time at school to visit the library

    Jelly Tub
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Children do what happens around them. These days, so many adults are on their phones instead of reading so children do that too. Besides, you can read on your phone as well.

    BadCat
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's never too early to introduce books to kids.

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    #22

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now They're more alike than different, but students of 1999 were more likely to be able to write their own web page in raw HTML, and students in 2019 aren't sure how to make a basic Powerpoint or attach something to an email. I've been doing this long enough that I remember when the professors were baffled by all things computer-ish and the students were impatient with how clueless we were, and now it's reversed. That, and even my smart students have zero idea how to use an apostrophe. That's something that's shown up in the past five to seven years. I blame autocorrect. Edit: Thought of a couple more. In 1999, there was a hum of chatter with occasional outbreaks of laughter before class started, and I had to quiet them down to begin. Now there might be one or two people talking, but everybody else is glued to their phone. Also, back then there was a lot of flirting before class, and male and female students mixed and sat next to each other. Now it looks like an eighth grade dance: females on this side, males on that. Edit: OK, two more, and then I'm done. In 1999, my female students tried to dress nicely for class, and my male students showed up in sweats and a t-shirt. Complete reversal now: the males dress fashionably and the females wear sweats and hoodies. And in 1999, just about everybody wore a baseball cap -- when it came time to take a test, I had to tell them to turn it around or take it off, not because I thought they might have answers written in the bill, but because I needed to see where their eyes were. When I gave that instruction, hats were turned on all but one or two heads; it was just as much part of the college student uniform as a backpack. These days, I might have one student in a ball cap once or twice a term. I think everybody puts more effort into their hair.

    Repent2019 , woodleywonderworks Report

    Whitefox
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This made me giggle. My dad was a computer nerd from day one. He insisted that I know how to break down and rebuild a system, knew how to use DOS and Keep up on new tech. I really appreciated that. Before word processors became a real thing, I would write my home work using very basic DOS commands. Being able to turn in my papers on dot matrix computer paper was ballin back then lol. Today? I hardly ever use my computer in favor of my phone. lol

    Sophia
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't agree with this though because in my school, phones and hats aren't allowed. Additionally, why does it matter how we dress? And we have assigned seating in most classes but if we could choose where we sit, it depends on who we are friends with, the gender doesn't matter. Also, how would we know how to code a web page if it isn't taught anymore? As for the other stuff, I can assure you that me and everyone else in my school know how to make a presentation and attach files to and email. I hate that older generations make assumptions about us being helpless, when really we just have a different skill set. Notice how I used correct grammar too?

    Danette Pelletier
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe you're an exception. The question wasn't about what matters, but rather, what has changed. Defensive much?

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    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WAIT WHAT KIDS DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A POWERPOINT OR ATTACH THINGS TO AN EMAIL. They're not the majority, I promise you we're not this far gone 🤣

    Howaboutno
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, this is confusing me, too, because I haven't met a student yet who couldn't do these things, but I know that that could be selection bias, but still????

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    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    let‘s be honest though, people have always struggled with the correct use of apostrophes.

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hubby is an IT specialist. Back in 1994, when son was born, hubby would hold him while playing. When he was old enough, he built a computer for son to use (3 or 4), kids games. Today son & daughter can both trouble shoot a desktop or laptop. They thought they were just playing

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids in 99 coding their own websites? I guess that its a cultural difference but in the early and mid 2000s i was the rare exception in my class for using computers and i dont code or anything.

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't remember anyone coding in 1999- that was the year my family got their first PC. We were learning typing and stuff from CD-ROMs.

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    Max M
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I learned computers the "hard" way. By learning it myself. The school had gotten computers, but i can't remember ever using them.

    Lola G
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Back in 2000 the most advanced stuff they taught us on computers was MS Word

    Heather Talma
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess hats in school were allowed back then. They certainly aren't now.

    The Fan Of Nothing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my school, students were constantly told to be quiet and not loud, so I think throughout the years we've grown to do just that. And the hat thing? Our school makes us pay to wear hats, and it's only on Fridays.

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    #23

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I was a university advisor for many years and now I’m an adjunct professor. Students today refuse to use their textbook/take notes to their detriment. They’ll turn in papers with applications of definitions/concepts they found by googling as opposed to ones discussed in class or in the text. It’s amazing how much research they’ll do that goes against what has been taught (and is easily at their fingertips).

    SanchezGeorge1 , Tony Tran Report

    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i do not know if or why other universities don‘t do this, but where i live they have specified classes where you learn how to properly do research.

    Theo Blackwood
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. Researching is a skill that you need to be taught the foundations for.

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    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well sometimes professors want you to take notes between the three assignments due in the next two weeks and you don't have time, especially if you work :/

    Lindsey or Something
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I typically don't use a textbook unless I have to, but if you catch me not taking notes in class it's because I'm not there or I didn't sleep the night before and passed out on the desk. Part of my issue with textbooks is that they're so freaking expensive. If it's ACTUALLY required for the courses it gets tacked into my tuition, otherwise I skip it because it's not worth it if the prof isn't even using the thing. (We're also required to take a research methods class that includes an essay formatting portion that is specific to major. E.G. I'm a psych major so I was doing basic stats and APA in that class.)

    Biliegh Berrie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When my son was in middle school he was using Wikipedia and it was encouraged by the school. I told him to never use it again.

    Ozacoter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats stupid. Wikipedia if one knows how to use it its great. If it has citations not only you can trust it but you can go to those citations to find really great scientific articles.

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    Tim
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've seen this type of thing in the workplace with younger people too. Applicants put all these words on their resumes as if they have experience with them, but they were just topics discussed in a class with no hands on experience. Or they'll yeah yeah yeah you and then do it completely incorrectly.

    Alicia GriffonLady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My hand cramps after taking notes too long. I can't write as fast as the prof talks, and then i miss part of the lecture trying to catch up. Recorded lectures are rare because profs believe students won't come to class. It's not so easy to take notes...

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    #24

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Students lack the tenacity to stick with a task until they figure it out. Most will try once and if they aren’t perfect will give up and blame the teacher if they can’t do it. I teach physics, 11th grade, they want me to grade each step of each problem before they move forward. And if I don’t, some throw temper tantrums.

    scotchfish41 , Luz Fuertes Report

    Amelia Kathleen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gen X here. I mean, there's no excuse for temper tantrums, but isn't helping your students through a complex problem kinda like... teaching?? And if, as a whole they don't feel confident in their progress, maybe you're actually the problem, as that's your job? Just sayin.

    SelkieBlackfysh
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Re-read. They want help with each step of the problem. Let's look at it like a math problem. 4 + 18 = ? Kid: So.. I take four? Teacher: Yes. Kid: And I add it to ... 18? Teacher: Mhm. Add those together. Kid: Is it 21? Teacher: Is it? Kid: I don't know I'm asking you. There's helping and there's just doing the whole problem for them.

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    SAF saf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I majored in Physics and strongly believe against teaching Physics to anyone in grade school that isn't going on to a higher education. You need to have general interest in the subject matter, students really need to be able to meet you half way.

    Pizzagirl 91
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father is a physics teacher, who helped me pass while my physics teacher of the last two years before graduation seemed to be trying to make us all fail the class: physics is important in everyday life (especially the base principles, inertia, gravity etc.) AND it can be taught very hands on. You don't have to be perfect in maths to grasp the principles, and you should know some things before you're a grown up - just like you should know basic chemistry, biology, language skills etc. Not everyone goes on to higher education. Imagine a 16-year-old starting a career as a truck driver, and not knowing that he's got to tie down his load because of inertia - there's several about now who don't know either, but there'd be heaps more victims of ignorance if we skip physics in high school! And it's also important to have things you don't like or excel at, otherwise, how would you know what you want to do with your life?!

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    Katie Andrews
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree reluctantly with Amelia: more steps in between. Do benchmark grading, then grade the whole thing. Show them a roadmap of how to get from here to there, with the caveat that they can also find their own path. Multi-step, major projects like a research paper require MANY small steps, small grades along the way.

    Bec
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And a good tutor/teacher will guide the, to a solution and not do it for them.

    Bobby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're taking about grading assignments then each step should be individually graded. You have the right formula for a "falling rock" problem but got the wrong answer? Give credit for what was done right and work on improving the weak points. The assignments are as much about reinforcing the lesson as they are for identifying issues for the teacher

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This would certainly be helpful. There have been so many times where I start off doing a math problem right and then somehow end up with the wrong answer. Instead of just telling me it's wrong or hell, even just giving me the right answer, tell me where I went wrong so I don't do it again.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They usually know what steps to take & the order to do it. If they get stuck on a step, & have tried to figure it out w/ out success, then ask the teacher for help. They need to work through a problem to learn.

    Lisa Hathaway
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this isn't AP physics, I don't see a problem. Once the concept is mastered, wean them off the baby-stepping. I was a 4.0 student with severe physics anxiety. Vectors (one of the first concepts) almost ran me off. I persisted and 4-pointed both semesters. I had the same problem in Calculus (physics pre-req at my school) with limits. I 4-pointed 4 years of calculus and 2 years of physics in college also. If my teachers/profs had balked at my need for extra support in learning *brand new* concepts, I'd be an insurance salesperson instead of a bad-@ss scientist.

    Trista JW
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm also from Gen. X and I think there is a massive difference between helping the class (or the student) understand the problem itself (which includes either the theory, equation, or other formula) and actually holding their hands and basically spoon-fed everything, including the correct answer. The latter is not alright at all as far as I care, as that does not teach them anything and instead instills the idea that they can ask other people (and higher-ups) to do the work for them, with the student still getting credit. Which is not alright, these kids need to learn how to think for themselves, solve their own school problems and yes, get bad grades here and there if they cannot figure something out. I barely skated through math with a C- (sometimes even a D ) when I was in school (because I was not at all interested in math. Yeah it makes no sense now, as I am an indie game dev, but throughout middle school and highschool, I didn't give a damn and slept through math.)

    O.M.Miki
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uh my daughter is sometimes like this granted she is 10. But recently I7ve been noticing that when she can't get something right at the start she looses confidence to think it though and just gives us or needs me to constantly hold her hand the entire way. Its a bit annoying and I sometimes force her to try aspose to her motivating herself to try. I don't remember being that way when I was kid. I liked problem solving or building things etc... I recently took her to climb mt fuji ( the gotemba trail) this summer vacation - she made it to the 7th summit and gave up - it's not an easy climb and though she did try she will never know the true awesome feeling of reaching the top - unless she tries again.

    Marissa
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm just gonna say, physics gets harder to learn with every new discovery

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    #25

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Physical education teacher here. Watched a steady decline in fitness test scores over the years. Kids were in far better shape 20 years ago. Over the last 5 I’ve seen a dramatic dip in fitness in elementary age kids. Fewer outliers on the top end and far more kids on the low end. We do the PACER cardio test. We might have 1-2 kids in the whole building fail the pacer 10 years ago. I now see approx.18% of student fail it. (You can almost walk the first 8, passing for most boys is 23 and 15 for girls. Also used to 10-15 % of student over 65. I think we had 2 in the whole group that was tested. (About 400) We’ve also see strong correlation between fitness scores and “end of grade” testing. Usually the students with better cardio fitness do better on testing and those with lower scores do worse on EOG’s. In theory if we can boost their fitness scores we can boost their EOG’s. We will see a major health crisis in 30-35 years. With a strong rise in preventable disease, due to inactive lifestyle.

    jgriggs828 , robbie36 Report

    Kelli Lindsay Boone
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Embarrassing to have students over 65, tbh

    Thomas Stead
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you do know higher score is better, since each point is a lap, right?

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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not surprised. People mix up body positivity with unhealthy living excuses. You're not bad because you're overweight,out of shape etc. But it's unhealthy and you shouldn't be unhealthy.

    Alicia GriffonLady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And then we fat kids hide and don't exercise because of the c**p we have to put up with if people see us, so we get fatter. Eating feels good. Better than human interaction when every conversation leads to people suggesting diets, pills, surgeries, exercises, etc... The harassment got so bad i was wishing i could die of all the health threats they mentioned so i wouldn't have to hear it any more! I tried exercising till i lost 60 pounds. I didn't have time to do any thing i enjoyed doing, just boring exercise. My weight stuck there. I barely ate for a week and almost no change. Then the dr said i was still obese and i decided f**k it. I'm going to read, paint, sculpt, and sew and actually enjoy life till i die.

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    Emma Starr
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because two things have a correlation does not necessarily mean that they interact with eachother. Drowning and ice cream stands both spike in summer but trying to prevent drowning doesn't keep away the ice cream. So to speak

    JB
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fair point but…many studies have shown that beyond correlation, there are causal relationships between physical and mental health. Trying to shoot down someone’s point using a supposed strawman rebuttal is disingenuous. Furthermore, I suspect if you actually performed a study on the bilateral relationship between ice cream stands and drowning, you would find both correlation and causal relationships between the number of people drowning in proximity to an ice cream stand because their decision to swim there was influenced by the accessibility of ice cream. You would also find correlation and causal relationships between drowning and ice cream stands moving elsewhere perhaps for reasons of the location being temporarily shut down, perhaps for reasons of “ew, someone drowned here”. EDIT: added a missing comma and this is definitely a post where someone is going to notice that.

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    Bec
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't mistake correlation for causation. Kids who are healthy and smart probably have a better home life through more active parents, which is probably because they have enough $ to do so.

    Linnea
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are you talking about? You don't have to be wealthy to exercise. I've heard some silly excuses for not exercising before, but "I'm not rich enough to exercise" is by far the silliest. Kids 20 years ago didn't all have rich parents, and they managed to be active and in shape. If you can't exercise unless you're rich, then how do you explain the fact that kids 20 years ago managed to exercise even though they weren't rich?

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    Cat-Servant
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids may not be going out to play because there is no safe place for them to play. I live in the same neighborhood I grew up in. I'm over 60. The school yard we could play in is now fenced off. The park has had much of the playground equipment removed. It is lso small about the size of a standard house lot. The next closest large park is over a mile away with no sidewalks most of the distance. The daily temperature in the summer is too hot to play outside in now. And there is research showing that time to be able to exercise is directly related to income. Parents working 50+ hours a week are not modeling healthy behavior in eating, exercise etc because they are too tired. Being able to have the time to exercise is directly related to wealth. And don't recommend afterschool sports unless you know how much they cost. Wealthier parents also can afford to buy healthier food. Poorer families are using rice, pasta, ramen or potatoes to stretch a meal to cover the household.

    Alicia GriffonLady
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our tiny town has one park. It's been smeared with poop, stashed with used needles, and razorblades have been hidden in it. I never let my kid go there.

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    Den Ver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with the comments about not mistaking correlation with causation. In this case however, there might be a link between learning and physical fitness based on someone's willingness to persevere. Someone who is willing to keep running during a team sport even though their body tells them quitting would be easier might also be a person who is willing to power through the frustration phase of problem solving rather than giving up. Anyone know of any studies that have been done?

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah but in my experience, sitting down in a mostly quiet room trying to figure out a math problem is easier than trying to run the mile in 85°+ heat. Or maybe I just have s**t endurance and stamina...

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    Biliegh Berrie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When my grandson is here I make him go outside. Parents nowadays rely heavily on cocomelon and its sad.

    Tamara Kroonen
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And there comes a time, when they will lower the standarts for the PACER test, because "everyone is failing" so there must be something wrong with the test.

    Ber Hajek-Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a correlation because they both correlate VERY strongly to socioeconomic status

    Dean Turner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Haha, I broke my high school standing long jump record in 2000... My name is still on the board today. Soft-a*s kids SMH

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    #26

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now The need for instant gratification due to technology; they have a harder time engaging in critical thinking activities because of standardized testing; better entrepreneurs (always bargaining to get the best for them).

    Camerononymous , Julia M Cameron Report

    Thomas Ewing
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    3 years ago

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    Tell them to "join the Army!" No excuses; get the job done, no cutting corners. Someone's life may depend on your skills, so Do Life Right!

    Cydney Golden
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Learning to make choices has to begin early in life. But a lot of parents are too strict or too lax. Simple things like instead of "What do you want for lunch?" or "Here's your lunch." can be replaced with "Do you want A or B?" with choices easily acceptable for the caregiver can help.

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    #27

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now In 2009, kids were blown away if you could reference online memes. Nowadays, not so much. They’re more likely to sneer and call you a boomer.

    anon , Product School Report

    flutterbyy
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    One of my professors loves to reference memes. It's certainly cringe at times, but everyone in the class appreciates the effort.

    Marnie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do kids own the internet? I hadn't realized that.

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    Howaboutno
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair, when both groups you're referring to are using the same pool of memes, yeah, that's the result. 2009 memes were fresh for 2009 students and look incredibly dated to 2019 students.

    ItsJess
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not a teacher but memes have given me so many laughs over the years, I will never not love them. I don't care if that makes me seem like an old fart

    Dean Turner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kids can't commit to anything. Constantly coming up with new slang, or repurposing old slang, you hear the word a hundred times a day, and then by the time you decide to use it they respond saying "we don't even say that anymore". It's all about new crazes.

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What? I love it when people reference memes, as long as they're actually funny about it. Just saying the meme isn't very funny, sorry

    #28

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I work in a college and hear the stories of professors. While students are obsessed with grades and bugging the professor on what they have the minute you say "i have your grades, come to my office between 11 and 1 and get it and if your missing anything ill let you know" not a soul showed up - no emails saying "hey i have classes then can i come in at a different time?". Students have been drying in professors offices over grades and its not the ones who really do try but just dont get it - its the ones that are missing 2 labs, 10 homework assignments, and missing quizzes but feel they deserve a C in the class because they show up ALMOST every day. During labs and such like others have said they dont read instructions or if it doesn't explicitly SAY something they wont do it (like turn the meter on sorta thing) Professors have had parents call their office demanding to know what their childs grade is. Professors have to remind them that your child is over 18 and legally an adult i cannot divulge that information to you. Or parents want to know why their kid is almost failing their class and why they are making the class so hard.

    InsertBluescreenHere , Jeswin Thomas Report

    Mrs. Jan Glass
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The parental thing is the one that still blows my mind. When I first started teaching, I'd have a couple parents -- ALWAYS the parents of boys in my experience -- complain. Now, every single goddamn term, I have some mom or dad acting like because they're paying the bills, their kid's education is like a goddamn fast food burger and they "have the right" to demand it "their way" and "get what they're paying for!" Goody for you, but legally I can't and won't tell you anything. With online classes? Even worse. These assholes INTERRUPT CLASS to make these demands. No, parents, I do NOT work for you, and no, you do NOT "pay my bills" by any stretch.

    Ramon Teodolfo Barrido
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Isn't education a three pillar collaboration of school administration, faculty and parents ? Just asking ?

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    SAF saf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    lol...all my professors complained about this constantly. "No one ever shows up to office hours!" To be fair, most people did as you progressed with your major.

    Niall Mac Iomera
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my first year of teaching I offered every student to resubmit any assignment or resubmit any assessment if they wanted. I was never taken up on the offer.

    Dean Turner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And this is when students are paying out the a*s for their education. Imagine if college becomes a free for all like a certain political party keeps promising. There will be even less incentive to actually apply themselves.

    Danette Pelletier
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The students aren't paying while they're in school, most of the time. They pay back loans later, or parents are paying. That's why parents are getting involved this way. They've saved for years to fund kids' education. But they shouldn't blame teachers if the kids aren't giving it their best. If school were free, you might get kids who go because they want to better themselves, not because parents are pushing them.

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    You work in a college, huh? With those proofreading skills?

    T'Mar of Vulcan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or the person could be on their phone. When I use a touch screen I make a horrendous amount of mistakes; so many that you'd think I was borderline illiterate. But I just have a terrible problem with touch screens.

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    #29

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Students now seem to stay away from politics and activism completely because they don't know who to trust. İt's very sad. Becoming engaged with the world beyond ones family and hometown through political activism used to be a important -- perhaps the most important - part of university. İt is not that students now are apathetic, they are just being told that everything is 'fake news' and so they don't want to feel 'duped' into being passionate about issues that might not be real.

    MercutiaShiva , Edward Howell Report

    Bryan W.
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't recall giving one flying c**p about politics or social issues until I started paying taxes and that was the popular position among my peers. Activism has always been the exception among youth. I remember being forced to do c**p outside the class in Government because "get involved" and hating every minute of it 20+ years ago. If anything kids are more aware and passionate about "issues" than ever before thanks to social media.

    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe they just seem more apthetic now because there's so much s**t hitting the fan and they have, unfortunately, no say in anything.

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    Lisa Floete
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This I have to disagree with. Lots of my students go to protests and quite a few are even active in local politicial groups for youths.

    Don Garretson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's because they are being taught that party affiliation is the most important thing. Teachers need to be proactive and teach the kids that the Parties are a major problem with politics. Teach them that Parties have agendas, and those agendas are not necessarily that of the PEOPLE.

    that.bitch.mae
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, even as a left leaning person, I know parties are fvckin stupid and basically the only reason we can't get anything done. Yeah there's stuff I disagree with right leaning people about but I can't deny they do have *some* stuff I agree with but because we're on opposite sides of the spectrum it feels like I have to hate them and that they have to hate me. I don't care who's in the white house, I just want s**t to get done so me and future generations can live a good live, y'know? It's why I'm not a Democrat, the fvckers are considered relatively conservative compared to the rest of the world and half the time they do something, it's to immediately make a comment on Republicans like b!tch. Just help the people. It's like YouTubers recording giving a homeless person money. You didn't need to record yourself, you could have just been a good person without anyone needing to praise you.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I made my kids register to vote as soon as they could. We talk about candidates, policies etc all the time. We don't always but they are aware of what is happening in the world.

    v
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everything that is put out by politicians, political activists, pundits, etc. is fake in the sense that they only put out the part of the story that supports their message. None of them, regardless of where they are on the spectrum, has the integrity to talk about the whole story so that people can actually try to make an informed decision.

    Ber Hajek-Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Young people seem to be VERY interested and engaged with politics, they just do it differently (like reserving seats to a rally then not going or spamming politicians' emails and phones)

    Al Padilla
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree, but perhaps it's because there are no inspiring leaders. I haven't enthusiastically supported anyone running for election since Eugene McCarthy in 1968. Current crop of politicians are stupid and venal, with no interest in doing anything unless it gains them votes, no matter how many people are hurt (or die, in the case of COVID). I'd worry more if the kids had such low standards they'd support the folks who are running.

    JessieMcG
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just want a f*cking politician to actually answer a question, not jump through these magical loop-holes they have manifested to change the subject. ALL I WANT!

    Gabby M
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Strongly disagree with this. The students I have worked with are far more politically active than my generation was at their age. (I'm 25, so in between Millennial and Gen Z.)

    Huddo's sister
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was not a problem in my school/family. We had to research things for debates and persuasive articles etc and teachers would often bring current newspaper articles in for us to read. We were encouraged to foster our critical thinking skills. My family would often talk about current events and politics and social justice at home. All three of us kids had been looking forward to voting since we were in at least year 9 and asked questions about the current policies mentioned etc. We still have conversations like that, as we know blindly following one party is unwise.

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    #30

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Two words: anxiety and technology. College teacher since 1999 👩‍🏫

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    Russell Tilling
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Swearing amongst children I think has gotten worse. I've heard 1st-hand of what a 'lower-demographic' pupil has said to a teacher and it was horrificly-sexual. Not sure if the pupil was a girl or a boy. I have heard a 'lower-demographic' father saying the same sort of thing to his (cute-sounding) son walking past my house as well, when the son wa complaining another schoolkid picking on him. Very horrific and very sad. (South of England)

    Bella Trainer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is "lower-demographic" supposed to mean???

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    Alana Voeks
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean...anxiety is increasing and getting worse, but technology is both better and worse. Was this to start discussions?

    rehanne garvey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anxiety is the same, just spoken about more openly

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    #31

    When I taught (having a break to do a masters), I never disguised the fact that I was gay and it wasn't a big deal. That, in itself, is notable, I think. We had a few teachers who made no effort to hide their gayness (by which I mean students sometimes ask what we did at the weekend or if we were married or anything and I'd mention my fiancé - normal conversational stuff) and we had a trans woman on staff. This is in a small town with students who generally had a low level of education or were previously kicked out of other places. I cannot imagine that being the case 20 years ago. The worse homophobic comments I've heard have actually been from older staff but I am ballsy enough to ask them to repeat what they just said in a "try it and we both know you'll end up in a disciplinary" voice. That's absolutely magical. But yeah, being gay, and to a lesser extent being trans or non-binary, has been hugely normalised in the younger generations.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Youngest is non-binary, using he/his pronouns. Most people are fine with it, but some older family still use she/her knowing his preference. Luckily we rarely see them. Even strangers are good

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    #32

    I'll weigh in on this. Began my career in 1998. Taught in two states. The first big and obvious change is technology. The digital life of my students is robust. They communicate with people--and especially their parents--with total ease and some degree of authority. If something happens--a fight, a disagreement, a lockdown drill, a bad grade--the school will hear about it in 20 minutes, not 24 hours. Additionally, with tech comes the issues of cyberbullying, threats, and general drama that sometimes makes it to the school environment. It's what was always happening, just amplified. Lastly, your whole sense of education shifts when facts and figures can be checked instantly. Dates and people's names are easy referenced. Concepts still need the classroom environment. And let's not get started on how email changed everything. The second issue is that kids today seem way more sensitive to social justice issues. Over the period of years, most of my students have become savvy, aware, woke. They are just better citizens, at least in classroom discourse. Of course, there seems to be a greater sensitivity too. I've come to be very careful in my language and assumptions lest I feel the wrath of several 15-17 year olds setting me straight. But I love that they do. Why shouldn't a student correct a teacher. Are they happier? Probably not. Are they still kids.? Yes, they are still kids. I would never underestimate the power and creativity of kids from this generation. However, I wouldn't assume that just because the world is at their fingertips, they have a good grasp of it. The brain only matures as biology tells it and if scientists are right, 25 is the end of childhood. Just when I started teaching.

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    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good to hear a positive assessment.

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    #33

    Got to the thread too late to realistically read through all of them before posting, so apologies if there is any repetition in my comments. I started in higher ed six years ago and have noticed plenty of functional type differences that may not be immediately obvious. For instance, when I attended college in the 90s email wasn't used as a primary method of communication. It was still seen as a semi-exotic analog to snail mail. Now that it (and other electronic, digital, and wireless means of communication) are in wide use, showing up to see a class cancellation notice on the door isn't seen as a gift from the gods, but as a justification for students to complain that they made a "pointless trip" to the classroom. Instead of being grateful for an extra hour off, many of students will become indignant that they walked/drove "all the way over" to a certain part of campus/a particular building/campus. I've also noticed what I believe to be more "blur" about what constitutes plagiarism. Obviously, we warn against it, remind students of that warning, and make sure to define what plagiarism is. But, for whatever reason, they think that uncited CTRL-C + CTRL-V does NOT equal plagiarism. It seems as if they think the only way making an exact copy of someone else's work is if it is done by hand...as in literally writing it by hand. If it's type, and especially copied and pasted, it's OK. And, finally, the belief that having your ear buds in during class (presumably to listen to music) is perfectly normal and acceptable seems to be almost universal. Even though it was 25 years ago, we had the technology to do the same thing. But, barring some bizarre exceptions, we all understood that it wasn't appropriate. Today, a large proportion of students seem to be seriously considering it worthy of an argument if you ask them to take them out (I only ask during tests or if their "content" is spilling out of their ears and into the room. Yes, it happens from time to time.) Another odd complication that wasn't even possible "back in my day" (LOL...it seems odd to even type that) is the use of laptops to take notes. I don't mind. I even suggest it...with the explicit and heavily emphasized warning that if you're caught watching cat videos, or whatever, I'll ask you to quit using it. I'll never forget the exchange I had with one student who forgot to mute their laptop and started a YouTube video. It loudly interrupted class. I asked them to mute their laptop and reminded the student that I'd ask them to not have their laptop out if they couldn't exert some discipline (in a real world sense, all I was asking was the courtesy of having the volume turned down as I can't see their screens when I'm lecturing). Ten minutes later, the SAME STUDENT has an autoplayed Facebook video create the same situation. They didn't mute the laptop, they just quit looking at what they thought got them caught. So, I asked them to put the laptop away. "How am I supposed to take notes?!" was the indignant reply. I pointed out that that wasn't what she was doing, that class had already been loudly interrupted twice, that I'd already given her a pass on something I'd given a preemptive warning about, and pens and paper still existed. Still, the combination of "how dare you" and "what am I supposed to do now" was all over her face and body language. Also, on the days when I give a small quiz (intended to encourage attendance and reading of the textbook), make use of a slide show, or have a significant amount of things written on the board, I can't help but notice how many students rely on the cameras on their phones to substitute for "note taking." I've told them that it can't hurt to do so. In fact, I think it is a useful supplement. But, no matter how many times I explain it, I'll have a half dozen students a semester who stare into the distance and/or look like they are sleeping with their eyes open UNTIL the moment I advance a slide, pick up the eraser, etc. All of the sudden, they perk up and their head is on a swivel. They can pick up their phones and snap pictures of the board/boards and/or screen faster than a Old West gunslinger could draw his revolver. Just some random observations. I think some of what I mentioned is a result of some of my classes being filled with first year freshman who are treating college as being in the 13th grade. That's especially true in the fall semesters. Given that we're in the middle of one, that's probably why all that comes to my mind so easily now. Hahaha!

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    Izzy Curer
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was in college in the early oughts. My commute was about two hours round trip, and there were times when I would only have one class for the day. You better believe I would have been pissed not to have received an email if the class was cancelled. That's nothing new. Sorry you didn't have email in the 90's, but some things change for the better.

    Eris Kallisti
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds like maybe some visual learners are zoning out for some of the lecture-only part of your class, and jumped on it when presented with the material in a way that was easier for them to process?

    猫草
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    did they expect the 18 or 19 year olds fresh out of high school to magically transform into boomers overnight because they are in college now? lol

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    #34

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I began teaching in 2003, so I'll try to answer. Kids are the same. The difference is mainly that they have their phones in class now. That's about it.

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    Kelli Lindsay Boone
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like this is the most correct answer on this entire thread.

    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know, all the other ones are just, 'mOdErN kIdS aRe So DuMb ThEy NeEd HeLp NoW oMg!1!1!!11'

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why aren't phones put on vibrate and put in backpacks? Why are they allowed to use them during class?

    T'Mar of Vulcan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The school I work at (Johannesburg, in a middle-lower income area) has a rule that kids cannot bring cellphones, fitbits or other electronic devices to school. If they do we confiscate them and make the parents pay a fine of R100 to get them back. Kids ask me on a daily basis why they can't have their phones. For us it's two-fold: 1) Someone will steal the phone and the parents will expect the school to investigate and get it back, and 2) criminals get to know which schools allow phones and will mug children for their phones. We were told by the local police department (half a k away from the school) that we must NOT allow cellphones due to #2 above. (And I've had the problem before in which a child brought a phone to school sneakily, another child stole it - "took it" - and refused to give it back. Parent expected me to get the phone back, going to far as to nag me for the number of the other parent. School refused.)

    #35

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now I work at a university and have discussed this many times with many different profs. One thing that keeps popping up is that students seem less willing to put effort into [actively] learning. They now expect professors to teach them everything. If a student somehow doesn't understand something, they blame the profs instead of their own lack of effort. They seem to think learning is some passive thing that happens, that showing up for lecture and doing homework is somehow sufficient to master the material.

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    Oopsydaisy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And this is one of the many reasons why students should not be allowed to score teaching staff.

    Bec
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's cool because they don't bother to do that at my school anyway. Once we stopped doing, 'please take 10 minutes at the end of class to fill out this paper survey' to 'there is a link to a survey on the course page', our response rate dropped to near 0.

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    Kelli Lindsay Boone
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "They expect teachers to teach them everything". Pertaining to their curriculum? Isn't that the literal translation of their job?? I can imagine the question on Reddit: teachers, what's the most difficult part of your job?" "kiDs ExPeCt uS tO TeAcH tHeM EVERYTHING"

    Lena C
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A teacher HELPS students learn, so that they can become knowledgeable or competent in a specific subject. The Old English meaning is to "show, present, point out". A teacher presents/points out information it's for the student to think, study, and pursue knowledge, in order to develop an understanding of the material.

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    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think that is a new development - students back decades were like tht too. Maybe not so vocal about it.

    JB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I disagree. My time at university (decades ago) it was made crystal clear in first year, that we weren’t going to be explicitly taught all the stuff we would need to know and understand to pass end of year exams. We accepted that reading around our subjects wasn’t an optional extra to get even better marks, it was a necessity to have any hope of passing.

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    #36

    Students in 2009 gave absolutely zero f***s Students in 2019 give waaayy too many f***s

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    #37

    Nearly two decades in, this is what I've noticed: Students are more supportive of each other and less judgemental. Kids are often lauded for things that would have gotten them bullied in the past. Everything school related is viewed in the context of college applications, where the goal is to check as many boxes as possible. Fewer and fewer kids giving themselves a chance to find something academic they are passionate about and allowing themselves the time to engage with it. Far more stressed out and sleep deprived. This is a chicken vs. egg thing, as the two create a postivie feedback loop. The lack of a more formal dating structure due to hangout/hookup culture and always on rumor-mill of the internet have made it even more confusing and emotionally fraught for teenagers to navigate romantic relationships and as a result, there has been a reduction in students involved in romantic relationships.

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    #38

    A couple of observations as both a parent and a substitute teacher: 1) No one teaches handwriting anymore. Everything is done on a computer, so no one emphasis spelling (spellcheck), handwriting or even proper grammar. 2) For better or worse, more kids are getting diagnosed with some sort of mental health illness or are on the spectrum. In some ways this is better, because they get the help they need. On the other hand, it creates a bit of a mess as kids are getting segregated and it's difficult to teach.

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    SelkieBlackfysh
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair a lot of us adults now likely had mental illness and behavioral issues that were never addressed. Example being, if mental health actually mattered back in 2000 I'd have known earlier on I had ADHD and could have been treated for it, instead of spending most of my life struggling and thinking something was wrong with me because I couldn't focus.

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Posted earlier - daughter turned in paper in cursive. Teacher was upset with her because the other students wouldn't be able to read. Pissed me off because daughter was devastated her paper wouldn't be included. 3rd grade. VP was awesome and overruled the teacher. She got 5th place in her grade, 12th in the school.

    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    they were being segregated indirectly while being undiagnosed as well. they just didn‘t understand why and that it wasn‘t their "lack of effort" or "willpower" that made them struggle and set apart from the others.

    #39

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Pop culture references. 1999: Ferris Beuller's Day Off 2009: Twilight and all things vampire 2019: Fortnite dances and memes

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    James G. Currie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Downvotes galore coming!!! Fortnight is trash. Give me the Battlefield franchise *any* day! ;)

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    #40

    Teacher of 15+ years here. Cell phones. These kids’ brains are exactly the same as their predecessors, except this generation have unlimited telepathy, information, and porn. It’s like having a superpower, along with the complacency and disregard for authority that any superpower would probably confer on its possessor.

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    #41

    I'm a student teacher in an upper elementary school classroom. The students are much more accepting of students who receive special education services, and they make efforts to include the students who are still learning English too. Attention spans are shorter, especially for students in the younger grades. When I worked with third graders, they could only receive twenty minutes of direct instruction before they lose focus. We would have to take quick brain breaks (dancing, games, etc.) after those twenty minutes. Even though they have more advanced technology, my current students aren't as capable with laptop computers as we were in 2009. They learned to type in third grade just like we did, but most type very slowly because they only use one hand or one finger. They were amazed at how fast I type and how I can type without looking at the keyboard or the screen. They're also not so good with memorizing, but that could be due to the lower amount of assigned homework and/or varied math strategies that don't require as much memorization (e.g. with multiplication) as traditional algorithms do (e.g. long division).

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    猫草
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    uh i couldn‘t really type at age 8 either? we learned writing by hand he first two years and typing was an elective class when i was around twelve? i just learned that during my teenage years. why do eight year olds need to type fast on a computer? serious question.

    Izzy Curer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I thought that was odd, too. In my school, we didn't have typing classes until highschool ~back in my day~. I'm a very fast typer, now, so I don't feel like it hindered me to not learn it as a child.

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    James016
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My son is autistic and his classmates are amazing, our biggest concern was him fitting or being made fun of but they have all just accepted him as he is. They do a thing where one kid helps him for the morning with work. I had one mother tell me her daughter really likes helping him and another child always comes over and tells me when its her turn. They are all very kind to him and he responds the same way as best he can as it is not easy for him to socialise but I have seen videos of him playing with his friends so we know he is at the right place

    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They're 8 what did you expect

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    #42

    I can't speak to 1999, but I was TAing college in 2009 and currently teach high school (juniors and seniors). Some of the most distinct changes are below. (These were present in 2009 and 2010 (my first year of high school teacher) but rarely. Now most of these things are happening daily/with most students) 1. Students are much more open about sex/drinking. It is nothing for students to talk about a kegger in front of me and when I remind them that I can hear them, they blow me off. 2. Grades are the most important thing in the entire world and there is a bigger disconnect in grades and understanding. There is a lot of 'I tried really hard, I deserve an A' even though they fully admit they didn't understand the work. 3. There is desire to know what is going on. If I forget one night to post the homework on the google website they simply don't do the homework (even if it is listed on the syllabus, was on my whiteboard, and was verbally stated) 4. There is no desire to look up information on their own. I am constantly asked for extra practice worksheets - so I tell them to google them if I am busy and can't do it that second. Students almost always respond with 'But I tried that and couldn't find anything'. I then google 'Balancing Equations Practice Problems' on their device and show them how the entire first 3 pages of google are practice problems. 5. And the biggest one is having absolutely no idea the power of their technology. In 2009/2010, every student who had a TI-83 calculator knew how to use it, could program games into it (since this was before every kid having a smartphone), and knew how to use it to cheat. Now the $100+ TI calculators are simply used as fancy basic calculators. They are shocked when I show them how to program in basic numbers or use a built in app. Even on their Iphone calculator, most of them didn't know if you tilted your phone sideways it became a scientific calculator.

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    Riley Warrick
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ooh I want to know how to program a game into a calculator. Must hold someone hostage until I know how! >:)

    David Alexander
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had 12 year olds talk about bringing alcohol into their boarding house. This is in China, they thought I, an American, couldn't understand me, even though on the first day of class told them I understand Chinese, and this serves as your warning. Still did it anyway, and when I asked them if they were serious or not (what 12 year old does that?) they thought it was so funny.

    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They've grown up surrounded by technology. How can they not know how to use it!?!🙄😒🤨

    Markus Holstein
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    TIL that my iPhone calculator app turns into a scientific calculator if I turn it sideways. Mind: blown!

    Biliegh Berrie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People rely to much on phones/tech

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    #43

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Nothing really. I can only speak for the previous 13 years. I still use the same damn jokes but I just change the references to more recent movies or music. I use slightly different websites but how i interact online or off hasnt changed. I guess there's been a decline in general English ability but that's because English isnt emphasized like it used to be.

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    James G. Currie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "...used to be." Longer than you think sirrah! I can remember a story about a Prof in Cambridge(?) in the UK stating he would allow l33t $p3@k in his essays, and appropriate Grammar. His entire student body, from 1st years to Doctorial Candidates essentially walked on him, and filed complaints with the Board. Then there was the School Boards in the Western US that stated they would accept/teach Ebonics. I think every High School in those districts freaked (staff and students).

    #44

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now 2019 college students couldn’t care any less about fun social events on campus. They would rather do everything online.

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    Markus Holstein
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's the lawn in front of the Reichstag in Berlin, Germany

    #45

    Polisci teacher here. Biggest difference is students asking for a specially created extra credit assignment (wtf?) rather than being satisfied (or informing themselves) with semester long support, feedback, and extra credit opportunities. Newsflash: I love all my kids but I cant/wont/shouldn't create special additional assignments for everyone. I should (and can and do) create exceptions for accommodations and exceptional circumstances. Even for the "ordinary exceptions" like illness, accident, or even a breakup. But aint no one gonna make an exception cause you failed to access all the resources that you were repeatedly told about, reminded about, and failed to show up for. It's been suggested that this was a change in k-12 with common core (I'm at the college level). K-12 teachers, any insight into why I get freshman who think this way?

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    Samantha Mix
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Common core. Unrealistic expectations that disregard actual brain development per age. It broke my brilliant daughter.

    pink_panda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How so? I don't understand how it's different from what came before it.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Common core drove youngest to tears. And they wouldn't accept correct answers not done their way. Fought school about it

    DragonsFox
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was stressed not to stress the students out so they basically got a free pass for doing literally anything during COVID.

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    #46

    I've been a teacher for eleven years in Elementary School. Two things that called my attention the most in comparing kids from 2009 and 2019 are that kids from 2009 seemed calmer. Usually I'd have one or two problematic students, but now it's usually 1/3 of the class or more. The second thing is that parents give us way more hard time than before. In 2009 you could contact a parent about not doing homework or classroom activities or misbehaving and you'd usually have them by your side teaching the child she must be respectful and obey teacher's instructions. With time this has changed drastically to parents taking the kid's side and telling US to be patient because "there are a lot of problems" at home the child is facing. Or just because they think the teacher must put on a show to entertain their child, never punish misbehavior and just let them free to do what they want.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Only once was I wrong to trust the teacher. Usually kid didn't give the whole story! 😆

    Shelli Aderman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh no, I’m ALWAYS on the teacher’s side. I know my kids! 🤣

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    #47

    Engineering professor here. There are some statistical trends that should be noted: 1. Older professors are not as effective of instructors - there are many suggested reasons, I like the explanation that they are further removed from understanding the students' knowledge base and have greater difficulty covering material at the proper depth. Not that it can't happen. 2. Older professors know more than they did as younger professors. They get surprised by new information less often, and therefore get the impression that the students of "today" are not as smart as the ones of "before". I will say, there are more women and underrepresented minorities now. That's a great thing. Also, there has been an explosion in engineering enrollment in the past 10 years. That's a great thing - society needs them. Students are less open to paying for books, they want free pdfs or ebooks. Other than that, they are exactly the same. Kids are kids.

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    Brenda
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    College textbooks are stupid expensive! Even if you buy new, you only get a fraction of it back even if excellent condition. $100 or $150 for a single book is exploitative. At least they have a choice now

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    #48

    I teach high school. Fifteen years ago, the minutes before the bell was a time where kids would talk to each other and goof around. Now, it’s absolute silence. The kids are checking their cell phones.

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    猫草
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    some of them might be texting their friends that go to different schools. some of them might enjoy the quiet (i sure know i would have) and not being expected to constantly communicate on their breaks between periods of having to pay attention in class.

    #49

    That first semester of college is a thousand times lonelier than it was 20 years ago. Used to be you'd walk into the dining hall, look around, and see faces you knew from class. They'd wave you over. Now the dining hall is just the tops of heads. Everyone has their face in their phone. They're sitting alone. 1999 = every semester, a student ends up crying in your office 2019 = every WEEK, a student ends up crying in your office

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    stardust
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guys, school kids are actually social. Who do you think they're talking to? Most likely their irl friends. Mind = blown

    Biliegh Berrie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you are in school, with your irl friend, why are you talking to them on your phone and not at lunch or what not.

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    #50

    I just had a conversation with a teacher friend about this. She said that the biggest difference is the level of precaution that teachers have to take now, and how the circumstances surrounding it have managed to feed on themselves. Example: Child is (or feels) slighted in some way. Parents are more aggressive about attacking teachers about this than in years past. To add to that, because of increased communication (cell phones, instant messaging, etc.), the parents are alerted of these incidents more quickly and (because of the first item - parents being more likely to defend the child) more frequently. So: parents lash out at teachers more often, over smaller incidents. Children know this, and thus, alert their parents more often. They also have the increased capacity to do so...they could simply text their parents in class if they feel slighted, whether warranted or not.

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    WordWeaver
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always knew which type of parent I had the second they said "MY child ..." Uh oh.

    #51

    Teaching for 11 years now. When I started teaching, students were waaaay more competent with basic computer skills. Smartphones have killed a lot of this. Typing on a keyboard is slower, many don't know how to put attachments in an email... It's weird to see students get worse with technology over time.

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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    they are not worse. they are used to a different kind of technology. they can type really fast on their smart phones touch screens. that‘s not a bad thing, just a different technology for writing. do my grandparents know how an mp3 player works? no. do millennials know how to use punched card data processing? do i know how to use the features of tiktok? not really. not saying either of us couldn‘t learn it. but different generations grow up with different tech. always have been, always will. not an inherently bad thing.

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    #52

    30 Teachers Share The Main Differences Between Students Then And Now Sorry not a teacher but a family friend who has been teaching a little over 30 years now once said kids today are bigger (in size) and their clothes are smaller while in the past they were a lot smaller while their clothes were bigger/baggier.

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