There's no such thing as a perfect parent, but there are definitely some that come pretty close. Unfortunately, there are also those who are the complete opposite – toxic parents.
It’s no secret that toxic parenting can have a lasting effect on a child's self-esteem and can even lead to mental health issues later on in life.
So when someone wondered “What is a sign of toxic parenting?” on Ask Reddit, it was destined to turn into an illuminating read about the ways people can tell if their parenting methods do more harm than good.
Below we wrapped up some of the most interesting and thought-provoking responses, so scroll down. And let us know what you think are the signs of poor parenting in the comment section below!
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Always believing they're right because they're the adult and therefore not letting the child have any say.
My whole family. In fact, my uncle said as much or rather yelled it at me, as we were driving to the lawyer's office after my mother died. I've lived in this city my whole life, been driving these roads for nearly 30 years, I suggested he should get over to the right lane so he could take off the highway. he starts screaming at me "I'm older than you, I've been driving longer than you, I know better than you, you know nothing because you're just a child" I'm 43 and my 14 year old son was sitting in the back seat...
My stepfathers. Super Conservative, obviously. Stepfather 1 just hit and smashed things, but Stepfather 2 would have full on sulky meltdowns for days, too, when he wasn't "respected." I may have howled laughing the first time I heard South Park's Cartman screaming "REPECT MAH AUTHORATAAAAY" because that was Stepfather 2. The man once had to drive off with tires squealing, in a rage, because I knew more about figure skating than he did. Fragile shitstains.
It must have felt so thoughtful that your mom put HER needs above yours by forcing you to be in that kind of situation with a person like that who should be LITERALLY NOWHERE EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO CHILDREN. I'm sure she's super duper proud of herself. Most people have kids to give themselves a sense of power over another human being and for tax cuts.... stories like this are so common it doesn't even surprise me anymore; I know a woman who left her husband so her kid could have to live with a literal ex-felon ... WHO UNSURPRISINGLY BEAT THE CHILD CONSTANTLY no less... courts didn't even side with the dad for years until a teacher asked why the kid was CONSTANTLY covered in bruises. If noone said anything it would still be happening. Our family court laws in the US are trash and most judges/lawyers involved are 100% corrupt. I will never have kids largely because of this...
Load More Replies...My adoptive mom was basically a child in an adult body. I think she scored 80 on an IQ test once (I scored 136). Having her acting like a victim NON-STOP about literally everything that ever happened in our house (and outside of it) was more than I'd wish on my worst enemy. Her philosophy was exactly this. It doesn't matter that she's wrong; Only that she's the parent and therefore is right.... so when I call her out on behaving in a racist way because I loaned my African American best friend borrow my bicycle, she assumed he would steal it... because he's black... and she had to be "right" about that. Btw he lived next door to me. I always felt like my adoptive parents not being able to conceive was a sign from God saying "Hey uh... you really really really really really REAAAAALY shouldn't raise children," but... Her: "f- it I went though all this trouble entering a loveless marriage; I'm not going to squander it by NOT forcing another human being have me as a parent"
My mother was like that. It made me realize how little I respected myself and how little I believed in myself because an adult was constantly giving me this message through those ways. I listen to my sons, explain the why's instead of just saying "no", and I actually apologize to them when it's the right thing to do. I don't think that makes me a pushover (as I've been told before) and I don't think it spoils them (been told that too), but it shows them that they matter enough for me to take the time to treat them with respect instead dismissing them and their feelings.
C Lawson; uour response made me cry. I relate to your story completely.
Load More Replies...I'm 22 and my Grandma still does this. She'll come into my house for a visit and dictate how things should be, and I always say: "I don't tell YOU to 'get with the times' when I enter your house that you've kept in stasis from the 1960's, do I? Exactly, so leave my taste alone." And she just huffs and puffs with chagrin.
I was the exact opposite of this. I wanted my kids to know tht I was far from perfect and didn’t have all the answers. I had no problem admitting I was wrong, apologizing when I made mistakes, and always allowed my kids their say. I wanted them to know I was a flawed human being like everybody else and yes I could be wrong. We have a great relationship to this day.
Yup. “I’m the father,” “because I said so, etc.” There’s a place and time for that, but making it an everyday thing without teaching kids the whys behind the whats is toxic.
My parents have this rule. If I talk back at all, I lose something of mine.
When they constantly invalidate your feelings.
Can confirm. I was only ever a drama queen, according to my parents.
Load More Replies...Mom, if you're wondering why I went NC, here it is! The final straw was when she told me that I would never, ever know the heartbreak of having my daughter come to me to tell me she was molested. Because yes, Mom, my entire childhood of being molested by men you brought into my life certainly can't compare to you... being told about it and feeling bad.
I'm so sorry this happened to you, Mrs. Jan. The same thing happened to one of my best friends. Her mother chose not to believe her because in the mother's mind, it was always important to have a man around -- literally any man. It horrifies me the way that some women will throw their children's wellbeing under the bus. You deserved better.
Load More Replies...I ran away from home. When my parents dragged me back, they asked why I ran away. I told them how unhappy I was. They said "You don't even have any real problems!" That has led to a lifetime of me feeling guilty for ever being unhappy. And being unhappy, then feeling stupid for being unhappy because you have no "real" reason too, makes you feel even worse.
"There are kids with cancer! You need to be grateful for your blessings!" Oh yeah. AmAndA_Panda, your feelings matter.
Load More Replies...My mom worked at St. Jude (a childhood cancer research hospital for those who may not know). I wasn't allowed to "complain" about my life in any way. This could mean anything from not being allowed to say I'm bored to not being allowed to have a bad day emotionally. Well into my teens I was told my problems were nothing compared to the children she worked with every day. I mean, she was right, obviously, but another child having cancer doesn't invalidate MY feelings. The two things can exist at the same time. She was a WONDERFUL nurse and literally changed lives there but she couldn't separate work from home. I was made to feel like I couldn't express myself in any way because someone else always had it worse.
This is such complete and utter b******t, S. I'm so sorry.
Load More Replies...My abusive maternal grandmother was famous for saying "You don't mind." "Grandma, I got beat up at school." "You don't mind." "Grandma, Dad's driving drunk again." "You don't mind." "Grandma, I sprained my ankle in track, and it's turned black." "You don't mind." What she really meant was, "I don't mind."
So thanks for nothing grandma. Sometimes it's easier for people to just be totally self centered. Tell her to remember that when it comes time for her to be taken care of. Although I extremely abused and I took care of my parents as they passed but I fixed them long before they died.
Load More Replies...One time I was seriously struggling with my faith. Told my parents I was an atheist at the time. Their response: "You're not an atheist." I was like "Oh wow I'm not!? Wow so glad you told me that so I'd actually know!" Except when you're a prisoner in an abusive family, you just have to swallow it.
I always thought it was so dumb when parents said stop crying or I'll give you a reason to cry! Well apparently I already had a good reason to cry because I was crying already so your comment makes absolutely NO sense at all! And then my dad would say are you being smart? Well would you prefer me to be dumb? Let's be reasonable, talk like a grown up. That's what my parents always said to me. I was 4 years old, talk like a grown up! 😳😏😅 And I had a really bad speech impediment. I had the vocabulary because I had to study the Merriam Webster dictionary-thesaurus every day but my annunciation was terrible because the roof of my mouth wasn't fully formed.
Load More Replies...Sometimes parents are broken and damaged and they try and pass it on to us but we hide the scars and hopefully break the cycles. I made sure I never hurt anyone like they did.
"Hurt people hurt people" is not an excuse. You've already help with breaking the cycle, Lily Francis.
Load More Replies...If you want to cry, I'll give you something to cry about. I heard that often from my dad.
Isn't that the dumbest thing you've ever heard?! I was already crying, so apparently I already had something to cry about!
Load More Replies...My mama used to tell me, "You don't have feelings, you're (insert whatever age here.)!"
Your mom would have loved me, I was a little fact machine. I would have told her all about the central nervous system.
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Kids who feel like nothing they do is good enough or they can't do anything right. Their parents have told them they are stupid or useless so often they have started to believe it.
Or parents who just don't care or are too busy to notice. I've struggled with this because I was bullied both by classmates and teachers. My parents were nowhere to be found. Now they are in complete denial. Took me a while to understand that my failures were not always my fault. Now I make sure not to make the same mistake with my daughter, who tends to doubt her abilities. I would hate myself if she started to actually believe it.
You’re doing the best you can and so good of you to be aware not to make the same mistakes as your parents! 👍
Load More Replies...Stepfather 1 was especially good at this. No matter what I attempted or was interested in, he'd follow, screaming at how I was doing it wrong, was stupid and irresponsible, and would never be able to hack it in the real world. I'm sure he'd tell you he was trying to break me down to build me up or some other traditional Conservative man b******t like that. Because sure, an 8 year old or 10 year old needs to be "broken down"? Especially one who is already being broken at school, too?
My father was convinced I couldn't do anything or be anything because I suffer from the most dreaded disease on the planet: lackofpeenisitis.
Load More Replies...Same here. Insult and humiliation was the norm for my parents. Most of the time there were trifles (I'd be called "idiot" if I accidentally dropped a teaspoon, or got a B at school instead of A). Or mistakes I made just because nobody had taught me what was the "correct" way (my mother yelled at me because I got scared during an earthquake. I was 10 y.o.. Nobody had told me how to react during an earthquake).
I'm probably skirting a line here, but I would like to say that being afraid while one's planet is shaking under one's feet seems to be a reasonable reaction. Trust me-- my knees would be shaking harder than the planet!
Load More Replies...Imo, name calling not per sé. Not teaching a child to do something correctly, and only do the angry part (even without words) is basically enough to make a child feel worthless.
The "*huff* JUST LET ME DO IT!" + *grab/shove* is such an awesome way to learn a new thing, parents. /s
Load More Replies...Physiological effects of this- anxiety through the roof, walking on eggshells, and try not to say or do anything to provoke their anger. My shoulders were up to my ears constantly
Well being reminded every day that you are a piece of s**t ( my mother's exact words ) and that i had nothing ínside that house, especially when you are unenployed and cant get a job, not because you don't look for it, but because since 2008 after the Crash construction pretty much stopped and given that it was my área of expertize... Luckely i was an adult, but it stll took a toll, a really big toll.
My mom told me to "f*** myself" when I told her she was stressing me out and scaring me about school. After she pressured me into graduating early. Then got mad at me for going on a walk to calm down, yelled at me for leaving without permission, yelled at me for saying I was upset for being told to f-myself, and took my phone away for like a month. I feel you Aquarius
Load More Replies...Yes and no. Some kids are the ones who are being hardest on themselves. It can also be a sign that their parents are strict about how things should be done and have instilled a level of perfectionism beyond the skills of the child. My mom was also like this. The dishes were never clean enough, the carpet never done properly enough with the lines in the fibers in a specific pattern.
I feel that. Everything was always ok but could be better. Had to do it again until it was. Now i never finish anything because of it cuz it's never better
Load More Replies...If a parent tells their child any such rhjh then that child should be removed from them. Permanently. That's emotional verbal and mental abuse ..
My dad does this to me constantly. One day, a few years ago, my dad suggested that I get a job at UPS. I asked why he didn't work there instead considering I already have a job and, at the time, he didn't. He screamed something at me, don't remember what and I said, "I just asked a simple question." to which he responded, "And I just gave you a simple answer. I swear to God you're so f***ing useless." I don't know why but I should have said, "Well, gee, I wonder where I f***ing get it from."
There's no one answer to what toxic parenting looks like, as every family is different. Some common signs that your parents might be toxic include always being critical of either of you or of each other; trying to control every aspect of your life; constantly comparing you to other people, or to their own expectations; being emotionally abusive; using guilt to manipulate you and many more.
In some extreme cases, controlling parents take over their children’s lives and can do a lot of harm. To find out how exactly overly controlling parents can alter their kids’ lives and what kind of effect they have over them, we spoke with Anisa Lewis, the Positive Parenting Coach.
Not being allowed to make mistakes and constantly being shouted at for them
My mom would punish me for something and then say "you should have KNOWN better" - like, woman, I'm new to the world. How am I supposed to know things are wrong unless you TEACH me?
That's my mother. She was, in fact, using me as her scapegoat for the dysfunctional relationship with my abusive father, with the poverty we were dealing with, with all the fears and traumas that the communist regime had put on women. Funny thing was, she was a saint with all the friends, colleagues, relatives and neighbors that were visiting us - all these people saw a kind, affectionate, careful mother. Only I knew she was not like that at all.
If you don't make mistakes you can't learn. A baby falls over 1000 times before they learn to walk.
shouted? I was hit with a belt until I got big enough to grab it and hit back. my mom never whipped me again.
I had my mouth washed with lava soup by my dad, also shouted at too, and not long after my front teeth were fixed after getting hit in the face by a door handle.
Load More Replies...Happened to me. Now I'm useless and insecure, I need clear directions to do something right and I'm always afraid to make mistakes or even ask how I should do something because I should know how to do it. I have a hard understanding directions so they must be very clear, so that's why I'm afraid to ask, because I feel like I'm stupid.
Ah I know this one well. I still have flashbacks being beaten bloody for not my homework not being neat enough, making mistakes learning how to knit, just about anything. To this day I struggle if I learn something new like a recipe and don't get it right the first time, the feelings of rage at myself.....is a lot.
The belief that your children belong to you, that they are beneath you and your property. That because you brought them into this world, you are owed respect. Respect and trust are gained, they are not owed.
I think of respect as more of a garden. Everyone has a plant in my garden. When you show respect to me you water and feed that plant. When you disrespect me your plant withers and dies. But everyone starts with at least a baseline of respect. I don't like the idea that respect is earned, like you start at zero, or that someone is due complete respect until shown otherwise. Respect is cultivated, and if you want someone to respect you, you are responsible for that cultivation
This. To add to that, if I see you not taking care of your plants in other people's gardens I'm going to hesitate to take care of mine in yours. If it's bad enough, I will yank that plant and if you want my plant back in your garden you'll have to fix yours in mine first as seeds take longer to grow than an established plant.
Load More Replies...That’s how our dad thinks and sadly our mother refuses to accept.
Load More Replies...I'm 52 and on the Spectrum and hate being touched. My mom actually said to me, "you're my daughter and I can do whatever I want to you." I hate her.
I’m 30 and still get treated like I’m 4. My 2 younger sisters and older brother are in the same boat. We are trying to leave on our own so we can do our own things that we love but our parents are helicoptering us about “ You don’t know about the world! If you guys don’t become lawyers and judges then the system will run all over you!” My father took the satisfaction of saying that the reason we got our associates degree was because he pushed us. Then turned around and claimed that the degrees were his. “ You guys owe us for raising you! You’re all going to be lawyers whether you want to or not! Because those media degrees you have are s**t!”
Load More Replies...Yes, it was your choice to bring them into the world, you didn't have to have them (although that's going to change in the US now) Your kids don't owe you a thing. You owe them the very best you can do for them and to lead by example. No one's perfect but you don't have to be..
"You live under my roof, you do as I say." I left "their roof" after a horrendous fight with my father. I visited my parents occasionally in the first years. The visits stopped as I realized, during my last visit in 2019, that my father was trying to start a new fight with me. I also stopped calling them the moment my father yelled at me in the phone. There is no reason to mimic an affection that never existed. Short messages on whapp (and only if it's smth. important) are more than enough.
I agree. Added to this the idea that they don't deserve their own privacy because they are 'yours' and are living in your house. I understand wanting to make sure your kids aren't doing anything that could destroy their lives so even some slight snooping I'd get. But there have been some celebrity parents that have come out and said things like how they don't allow their daughters to lock their bedroom doors. But their sons aren't given the same treatment. One guy even has his daughter taken to a obgyn to check regularly that she's still a virgin (which in my opinion is abuse). And when someone joked they might want to masturbate they freaked out (because as usual with these types of guys, women touching themselves is some kind of crime). But more than that, sometimes you just want privacy. You want to know you can figure things out or talk to your friends and not be spied on.
Me asking my mom to respect my boundaries (not barging into my room while I’m naked and changing and standing there talking to me when I ask her to leave, not making fun of my insecurities, not shaming me for eating etc (I’m actually in pretty good shape)) and she always says “I can because I’m your mom”
I swear, I couldn't just have a quick pee or shower comfortably and privately without the door opening and her barging in, announcing "It's just your mother!" She would do it to my in my own home when I was in my 30s and 40s. Get the f**k out of the bathroom when I'm using it! You can wait three goddamn minutes.
Load More Replies...My folks had this attitude, and it was very much bolstered by their religion. "Honor thy father and mother" is one of the ten commandments, but there's no commandment that says that parents have to merit that honor. I feel like there's a line between Abraham being willing to murder his son at God's say-so and my mother's frequent comment, "I brought you into this world and I can take you out."
The links are clear and obvious. "Family values" = "I own you," and they're pretty clear about daughters, esp., being their property. Even creepier, "purity culture" when their daughters' virginities and sexualities are their fathers' properties until they "give" them to their husbands. It also sets up the "God instructed me to-" excuse, which has been used for everything from sexual abuse to Quiverfull b******t.
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Never actually teaching your kids anything, just criticizing, "I told you so" and "because I said so"
Also, never actually teaching them how to do things so that they are crippled in any attempt to live on their own.
My mom is always like “You need to learn life skills!” But she also tells me to never use the stove so I don’t start a fire
Load More Replies...It’s so important to give ur kids the “why” to your rules or demands. Kids r smarter than adults give them credit for and r far more likely to respect and adhere to ur rules if u explain why it exist. Also rules need to be flexible and adjusted with age, maturity and the individual child. Communication is key, always. Respect and relationship are earned.
You can't always give the reasons when the children are younger. My stepdaughter started singing REALLY inappropriate songs recently, like where guys wanna hump women etc., she must have heard them on the radio at her mother's place, and we can't very well go into more detail why we don't want her to sing that, so we just said the contents mean things to grown ups that aren't really nice, and she'll understand when she's older...
Load More Replies...I like to point out how many times successful people made mistakes. I don't like to say failed.
Load More Replies...I promised myself I would never say because I said so to my kids. This was before I understood just how many questions an "average of 288 questions per day" really was(average number of questions a toddler asks every day. My opinion is this is mostly made up of 5 to 50 follow up why's to the initial question)
Mocking them for not knowing something. JFC, the point of childhood is to learn.
My mother (and I am 75) hated this "Because I said so." I never said it.
Lewis argues that parents' main goal should always be to bring their children up with a solid foundation and strong values, “knowing the long-term aim is that they can be confident, independent and functioning members of society,” she said and added that obviously, there are a great number of factors that feed into this and each child and young adult as well as family is different.
When asked what could be the reasons why some parents control their kids so much, Lewis explained that there may be many factors to blame. She told us: “it could be their own upbringing and they are simply repeating the parenting that they received.” Moreover, “it could be cultural or an experience that they have had that has negatively affected them.”
Being unable to apologize, setting and enforcing standards they themselves don't follow
Mom always yells at me and threatens to punish me for crying or being angry but’s it’s perfectly fine for her to do it
Don't expect something from your child that you're not willing to do yourself. Honestly most parents shouldn't be parents bottom line
THIS. That's my father. In the relationship with my younger brother, I'd unconsciously replicate the way my parents treated me: yelling, insulting, criticizing. My father especially was mad as hell because I was not "behaving nice" to his beloved boy. He never realized that he was the primary source of this behavior.
I'm NC with an uncle over this. Him and my son were joking around then my uncle turned it into a little rough housing and hurt my son. Now this was all fun and playful and I wasn't mad until he refused to apologize. His words "I know how hard we were playing and it didn't hurt him, if I apologize I'll just contribute to more boys becoming pussies" one you don't know if it hurt or not, it isn't your body. Two even if you just scared him, that means he was afraid of YOU, you caused emotional strife. Thirdly if I was a petty spiteful person I would easily see you in prison for assault on a minor as the whole thing was recorded. You were the first to touch him, a "fake" choke like my son watches in wrestling, and he immediately was flailing his arms, hitting yours, and ran away crying as soon as you let go... I'm done getting ticked again
Holy f**k, thank you for protecting your kid. Seeing that will make all the difference to him, growing up.
Load More Replies...Honestly, BP, if you needed a photo of my Mom to illustrate this, all you had to do was ask.
This is a big one and should be higher up. Just getting an apology means so much.
I swear adults tell kids lying is the worst possible thing they could ever do and then they lie to their kids like it's their flipping job
"I'm sorry you feel that way." Okay, Mom, I'm sorry you're going to die alone.
Before we learned the term "gaslighting," I tried going to therapy with my father after he begged and begged, insisting he wanted to "repair our relationship." After each session, he would take me for lunch, and then go back over everything we'd talked about in the session, telling me why that "wasn't really what happened" or "the whole story" so that he was the victim. This was when I finally realized that no matter what I said, felt, or experienced, my dad didn't give a flying f**k, and didn't even listen to me in the first place. He certainly wasn't going to take any responsibility for razing my childhood, much less apologize. He truly believed that he, an adult man, had been victimized by his kids being "so needy." Loser.
Telling you to take responsibility without giving you freedom. Responsibility is only possible if you have the freedom to make the wrong choice but choose to make the right one.
This. By the time I was twelve, I was taking care of my half-siblings while my folks were at the bar. I was expected to clean, cook, iron my stepfather's shirts, and do the laundry, all while volunteering and maintaining an A average. I can't BELIEVE how easy it is to be an adult, because I have freedom now. I moved out of state at 17 and everything got much, much better.
I was 5 when it all started for me. And ran away from home when I was 18. But you see, standing up for myself. And getting away from my parents was also a form of taking responsibility. Haha. Jokes on them!
Load More Replies...I have so much parental controls, bedtime screen limit monitoring my texts websites like YouTube can’t be visited. So much restrictions!
Load More Replies...Oh, yes. I wasn't allowed two feet away from my mother, or to play with other kids. Then she tossed me onto the kindergarten bus and thought I would "magically" know how to socialize!
A friend of mine recived dirty looks from another mother with a child roughly the same age. They were in the city centre, about to cross the road. That mother's toddler almost got hit by a car, because he refused to hold hands and fell of the sidewalk. My friend helped her to pull the toddler off the street. She apologized right after for giving her the dirty look.
Yes. If your kid is a runner, a tether in public areas can be a literal lifesaver.
Load More Replies...Giving the kid a radius of exploration is a normal parental issue. Most kids can understand their limits, and stay near their parents, but some might not understand the concept until they're six or seven. Leashes may be stigmatized, but I'd prefer some dirty glares over a potential death or kidnapping.
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Guilt tripping your kids into begging for your forgiveness.
“I bet you wish I was dead”, “Nothing I do is ever good enough for you”, etc.
Also, the silent treatment. Sometimes I argue with my mom and she snaps back asking why I'm arguing. At times she refuses to accept that I'm a separate human being capable of anger and having my own opinions. If that's the case she just stops talking to me so that I feel obliged to apologise even if it's not my fault.
My dad used to do the silent treatment. By the time I was 16, I just started acting like I didn't notice and kept talking to him normaly and asking the same question until he aswered. He finaly stopped doing it when it had no power.
Load More Replies...This was my brother who asked me to forgive him for years of abuse. He asked me at my grandmother's funeral. In front of the entire family. So glad he's dead now.
Fester, you go right ahead & be glad. Don’t have any more guilt for how you feel. You are allowed to feel your feelings! Do what helps YOU, not what society wants. I’m glad the mf is dead, too.
Load More Replies..."Was I really such a terrible mother?" Any time you dare to bring up traumatic events from the past.
I was raised by the queen of guilt trips. I was so indoctrinated to it I thought it was normal. Now when I get to feeling like I'm gonna do that I'll use the old "when you , I feel " with my kids. When you refuse to even try the new dinner I made it makes me feel unappreciated, and that I wasted my time. When you tell me lies it hurts my feelings. I'm not trying to guilt trip here, I even tell them they never need to apologize for these things. Just trying to teach better communication to them than I learned
“I could be dead on my couch drawing flies and you wouldn’t care” -My dad
My mom was convinced I'd started shaving my legs without telling her but I hadn't.. I wasn't ready. I could have started whenever I wanted, just had to say the word and she'd make sure I was taught how to do it safely. Anyway, she asked me if I did and I told her no I didn't feel ready yet. She was so certain I had she told me to swear on her life that I hadn't. I was terrified because I was telling the truth and desperate for her to believe me so I did it. I swore on her life and she was so appalled at me when I did. She still thought I was lying so she thought that meant I wanted her dead too. I think about that day all the time. To this day she thinks I shaved my legs. I never did it until she showed me how. I made her show me how even though she thought I already knew.
Couldn't you just have shown her your legs? Like, even on my 6-y-o stepdaughter you can see the leg hair, it would be kind of obvious if anyone shaved their legs after puberty sets in...
Load More Replies...That sounds like my dad (and by proxy my grandma on his side of the family) to a tee.
Same! After I cut him off the last time, my dad spent about 15 years sending sad little notes about "I'm going to move to South America and you'll never hear from me again." "I'm having surgery and am probably going to die." "This is the song I wish I'd heard before MY dad died, because you can't ever get them back." "Blood is thicker than water." My sibling and I went out for one helluva fancy dinner when the (literal) m**********r FINALLY died. It was the only time he actually kept his word about something, even though it took him about three dozen iterations of it.
Load More Replies...My mother.She's in her 70s and still doing it! I recently discovered that she was blackmailing my sibling into doing what she wanted her to do by threatening she'll jump off the building.
Moreover, controlling parents are likely to be anxious or low in confidence (or self-esteem) themselves. “They can tend to, possibly by default, control what they can to keep themselves safe and thus part of this is the lives of their children,” Lewis explained.
Any sort of adept knowledge from their child about doing something sneakily. My parents have always been very strict about what I wore not only out in public, but even just hanging out with friends at their houses. I have since become a master at fashionably layering and they were never the wiser. All extremely strict parenting does is teach kids how to be stealthy and break rules without getting caught.
Growing up I was forced to wear itchy wool stockings. I'm pretty sure I could win the Olympics of how to remove trousers, and stockings, whisk out a pair of socks and put my trousers back on without being seen or touching anything in public toilets, empty elevators, etc.
Yeah I never forbid my kids wearing whatever they wanted but I did discuss their choices, express why I might have had an aversion to those choices, and what message those choices might present. But the final decision was always theirs. Again, communication and relationship are everything
So they were right lol. The first part of the statement says "adept knowledge from their child about doing something sneakily". Nothing in the world is new, and parents have been children, and have experience in life. It's not hard to catch on to children and what they possibly can or will do.
I used to get" stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" when it was something she had said that had made me cry in the first place. Another was "straighten that face or I'll straighten it for you,". She used to smack me, we had a paraffin heat in the kitchen ( I know) one day she smacked me so hard that the back of my legs court the heater and I burn my legs. Mr dad was so mad it her when he got home. I got things like is all my life until mi moved out
Any form of hitting and calling it "discipline"
It's not it's straight up abuse and it traumatizes your children I know cause I was raised off it and guess who I cut out of my life.
If you're the kind of person who justifies child abuse with "My parents hit me all the time and I grew up fine", you didn't, in fact, grow up fine.
Yeah. Hitting kids is a pretty clear cut sign that you didn't grow up fine.
Load More Replies...My mom would be gobsmacked to know that I classify her parenting as abusive. She insists things like "It's not like you were abused!" or "You weren't beaten or anything!" But all day, every day, I had to duck her "pops" and "snaps." She thought it was hysterically fun when, as an adult in my 40s, she could still put her fingers near my face, and I'd automatically duck and shrink back. DO. NOT. HIT. YOUR. CHILD. Not in ANY way. Countless studies have demonstrated over decades that any physical hit, smack, "tap," or whatever b******t term you want to use causes nothing but mental damage, and even a little "smack" will cause the same psychological problems as being beaten with a belt. ADULTS SHOULD NOT PHYSICALLY HARM CHILDREN. How many f*****g times do we need to say this?
Couldn't agree more. I got beaten with a thick leather belt. It taught me several things: 1. To hate and fear my parents, 2. To do any- and everything possible to placate the people near me (that's a whole other constellation of problems), and 3. What NOT to do with my own child.
Load More Replies...There is no "non-harmful way" to hit children. My parents hit me all the time. All I learned from it was not to trust my parents, or anybody else who uses violence against people who can't fight back. The American Academy of Pediatrics says that corporal punishment barely works in the short term and has serious negative effects in the long term. The World Health Organization says that corporal punishment "has no positive outcomes," and it recommends an end to violence against kids.
Put it to music and let's dance: THERE IS NO NON-HARMFUL WAY TO HIT CHILDREN. This is because ADULTS SHOULD NOT HIT CHILDREN. This is not up for debate.
Load More Replies...My mom used to hit me all the time even though I behaved perfectly. She would hit me just because she was angry, but never in front of my dad or siblings (they’re from a different mother) My family never believed that she hit me when I told them. Mind you she hit me A LOT. She even would burn me with her cigarette sometimes and would blame it on me not being careful and burning myself 😑 Strangely I didn’t grow up into believing hitting your children is normal.
The closest I've ever come to hitting as discipline with my kids is smacking the back of their hands when they were little and getting into dangerous things I've already told them to avoid. No honey, do not touch the knife. Ouchies. Still reaching for it, light slap, like a high five, in the back of the hand
This, I get. It's like when a kid touches a hot stove and it hurts so their brain realizes it's not good to touch it. But parents who throw s**t at or punch their kids, wtaf
Load More Replies...My dad used to hit me until I stood up to him in my 30s. Never hit me again. He’s a coward
I'll wade into this one with my story. My mom spanked me. I feel a lot though family members insist she didn't and that I always got my way (maybe as a younger child but not once I got older). I specifically remember the time she used a belt on me (she felt bad after that one, apologized and never did it again). Her favorite though was the switch. That was for when she thought I'd done something extremely bad. The time that sticks out the most is when I got upset because I wanted a specific set of frames for my glasses and my mom refused and we had to leave and go back another time (this was wasting her time in her eyes). She told me I was going to get it when we got home. I threatened to call social services on her. Let me tell you, I was cleaning blood off the floor when she got done. She handed me the phone but I never made that call. Instead I made the vow that I would never discipline my child the same way. And it shows. He's well behaved and rarely gets into trouble.
And he knows that when he does get into trouble (because no kid is perfect), then he'll lose privileges and that it's best to tell the truth.
Load More Replies...Parents need to be taught alternative ways to punish. In the Bible Belt, all we knew was spanking. If a kid did something bad enough to jeopardize the safety of themselves or someone else, a “time out” just wasn’t enough. I don’t believe in corporal punishment, but I do understand that parents are sometimes left with no other alternative because they don’t know of any alternatives out there. It says a lot when even school administrators like to default to a paddling for serious offenses. No one knows any better.
I used to belong to a conservative Christian church and thought spanking was good for young children. I was brain washed. It was an occasional spank on the hand or bottom...but still...ugh.
It was never used, but my Christian high school absolutely threatened paddlings. Amazing, isn't it, how rape and child abuse are built right into Conservative Christianity that way? Then again, they think it's okay that God told Abraham to murder his son...and then murdered his own son. It's almost like the bible is an archaic, outdated, and f****d-up version of life, parenting, family, marriage, pretty much most everything.
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Insisting you know your kids' mind better than they themselves do. Proclaiming what they experience, feel, think, and intend. Being dismissive or condescending when they try to speak for themselves.
Seeing your child as identical to you or an extension of you ("twinning"), and going around bragging about this.
Not acknowledging or neglecting their emotions.
Blaming their children for what are natural reactions to the parent's behaviour. (A similar dynamic "When he looks in the mirror and sees his dirty face, he tries to wash the mirror.")
I hated that. My mom clearly not even having the feintest clue what I was going through, and not willing to listen when I tried to tell her... but then busting out the "I know you" from time to time when she literally had no right to do so.
When all you hear as a little kid is that you're lazy, clingy, dramatic, "snobby," and everything is your fault, yeah, that's going to turn into self fulfilling prophecy. A child is not going to have the tools to fight, or even understand, that psychological mindfuckery.
To play devil's advocate, a lot of younger people think what they're going through is entirely unique. And while it may be to them, you are not a special snowflake and sometimes parents really do have some wisdom to offer regarding what you may be going through because they went through it themselves. Our parents had their own entire lives and may have gone through similar things and have some insight to give because they're older and wiser. If myself now could go back and talk to my teenage self my life would literally be different in so many positive ways. I wouldn't have worried about so much and would have done a lot of things differently. I think it's about how that advice is given, though. If you throw it at someone because you 'know best' and don't explain HOW you know or why what you're saying is something they should listen to, then how do they know to trust what you're saying? Stop telling kids it's for their own good and explain why.
So tread carefully here, it is also important to name emotions so that kids can identify what they are feeling - like little kids. Emotions are just types of energy and can be turned around to be used for work, anger comes from hurt/pain and can be used to heal. So as an adult name what you are feeling and when they are little say what you are seeing in your little one, acknowledge and utilize to understand. As in, it isn't the emotion, it is what you do with it.
I've always been short (5'4" woman), but I've never been "petite." I never could make my mother understand that, while I need Short for most pants, Petite clothing is almost always too small for me. We'd often go out shopping (at her insistence), and she'd pick out a bunch of clothing for me that I didn't like at all, "but you should be grateful, because I'm paying for it!" Even when I tried something on, and we could both plainly see it was totally the wrong look for me, she'd keep trying to insist that I should be "grateful" that she wanted to buy me a "gift." I looked her in the eye and asked her point-blank if she literally thought that she knew, better than I did, what looked/felt good on me. She glared at me and said, "Yes!" We weren't close, and I don't miss her now that she's gone.
For a child of any age, living with toxic parents is a very difficult situation to be in. Children may feel like they are constantly walking on eggshells and that they can never do anything right. Chances are, their homes are always full of yelling and criticism, which may alter their sense of home, safety and comfort.
Yelling at your kid for backtalking when they're really just having an opinion.
This. Like children are just supposed to nod and comply. They’re not your slave. If you don’t want to hear what they have to say you really shouldn’t have had kids at all.
I understand this one though I get why some adults hate back talking.. For years kids question EVERYTHING lol like example: never ending why conversations .. Lol while necessary for us to teach y’all it eventually gets to a point where when we say no kids respond with “why not” or “but what if I clean” ect.. basically not respecting the rules and attempting to “talk back” negotiations not excepting the rules .. Straight self sabotaging yourself!! Slave? That’s to teach u how to be able to “slave” for yourself when you are an adult 🤦♀️ Side note I’m not this type parent though I just understand but I’m the type of parent that says “no no do t pick that flower” they ask why not mom” i explain morally why “bc babygurl if u take it others won’t get to see it and it will die .. Don’t u wanna let others stop n smell this flower?) Then I personally let them choose.also I don’t slave them, I let them not do chores but I don’t do it either eventually they need clean clothes ect
Load More Replies...This. My mother gave me three pieces of life advice: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all," "Children should be seen and not heard," and "Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about." All of these things boiled down to "Shut up." Good news: I haven't talked to her since 2013.
I got a bottle of really good bourbon here. CHEERS! *clinks glasses*
Load More Replies...Growing up, you would've thought that I was a ranting maniac for all I got punished for "backtalk," "mouthing off," "acting like a little b***h" or "being a drama queen." Stepfather 2, in particular, would melt down if I responded in ANY way but "yes, sir." So if I started to say, "Be right there, I'm finishing my homework," he'd be in my room with his hand at my throat and the vein in his forehead bulging, screaming at me about my disrespectful backtalk. I was grounded for a month because I "backtalked" when he demanded I put away the curling iron i'd just used, and I said "I need to wait until it cools down." Fragile a*****e men like this are so, so afraid of girls... especially ones who are smarter than them. I finally figured that one out when he grounded me because I made scrambled eggs, but didn't put chopped onions in, the way he did. When he asked why, I said "I don't like onions." Yup. "Backtalk."
Ugh. Your folks were the PITS. What kind of person has to throttle a child in order to feel good about himself? An utter dirtbag, that's who.
Load More Replies..."STOP BEING SO DEFENSIVE!" has to be one of the stupidest and most illogical of the abuse rhetoric.
Load More Replies...If my daughter speaks to me with disrespect, I have a problem with that. As I would with anyone else. I'm trying to teach her to voice her opinions in a more constructive manner instead of blowing up and screaming at them.
Good! Just make sure you listen because sometimes they blow up because they feel unheard :)
Load More Replies...Oh yeah, I epspecially hate the question "what were you thinking?" When you try to explain what reasoning brought you into that situation, you are being told that you are rude for answering the question you were just being asked. Come on, don't mask a message as question if you do not want an answer! Those retorical questions only generate a lot of confusion in a small child, so don't pretend to be interested in listening if you really are not. As a parent you should be interested in learning to know how your child thinks, so you can correct their mistakes in a constructive fashion. Dig a bit deeper, and you may find that there at least is some kind of perhaps fallacious logic behind. But dismissing them without even hearing them out, and thereby sending a signal that whatever they are going to say, it can only be wrong will only break them down, devalue their feelings, and install a sense in them that they will always be failure, which can take years to get rid of once in function.
The thing is, if you respond it's backtalking and if you don't you're being rude. Whatever you do you get punished it's not even funny
Parents who press their personal beliefs and practices upon their children. Maybe your daughter doesn't want to wear dresses all the time. So what? Maybe your son doesn't want to be the doctor that you weren't able to be. Okay... So?
For example, my parents are very religious and everything would be about religion and honoring God; yet, the ironic thing is, that my parents are extremely abusive- physically, verbally, mentally, and emotionally. Don't force beliefs upon your children. Widen their perspective. Show them what's out there. And let them make their own decisions. Don't yell at them or hurt them if they're not doing it *your* way.
Not sure why you're downvoted for that - here's an upvote
Load More Replies...The issue is that often religion is abused by manipulative people to have it their way. For some "odd" reason, their god always seem to agree with and aprove of whatever they already think is right. Listen buddy: I don't care that you can site a bibleverse that you think justifies whatever cruel action you want to do. The bible is a mix of all kinds or odd tales, and you can find arguments and quote parts of it to justify completely oposite messages in there.
We honestly have to do something about the religious fundamentalists in this country. Every day I'm reading more and more of the stuff that is beginning to happen and I used to joke about it being the handmaid's tale but it's legit happening. Banning books, making abortion punishable as a murder charge, a huge step back in gay rights as they're trying to revoke gay marriage as a right. I do not understand how these Marjorie Taylor Greene ABSOLUTELY INSANE people are continuing to hold office, not to mention running for possible presidency. Democrats seriously need to stop playing nice and take the g-damn gloves off. We need a thug. Someone who will stop this religious take-over of our country.
So you got some of this correct but... Religion is part of the culture you were raised in, it is, in an appropriate setting, a gift from your folks to you. My kids don't get it shoveled in their mouth but they sure do attend worship with us - they are invited to be part of our faith (their faith). We never tell them what to believe, we state and demonstrate what we believe. This statement from the poster is so mixed up, some gaslighting and some truth.
But the fact that you have stated what you believe when they were children is part of the indoctrination.
Load More Replies...THIS! I come from a religiously mixed family, but my Catholic Grandmother always forced me to go to Mass with her, teach me stupid stuff from her religion that never helped and always judged me for everything I've ever said and done. It just turned me off religion as a whole (that and because I quickly realized that religion is how the old and smart control the young and stupid to get money from them) but it was fun to use her religion against her. So, when she would judge me, I'd say: "Take the log out of your own eye before you take the speck out of your brothers." And she would get SO MAD! And that's when I learnt to use the stupid Bible quotes against her. When she would lose her temper because she didn't get how own way, I'd say "Is that how Jesus would treat others?" And I'd remind her that if she needed the fear of going to Hell to be a good person, then she isn't a good person. My family think I'm crazy and brave. 😂😂😂
Religions would probably cease to exist if indoctrination waited until the kids were old enough to properly understand what they were being asked to believe.
Very much agreed. Take a trusted parent to tell what them what to think before they can critically think.
Load More Replies...I knew I was an atheist from age 7, although I didn't learn the word for it until I was 12. Didn't announce it publicly until I was in my early teens. My mother still thought it would be a good idea to put me in a parochial HS, to try, once again, to indoctrinate me. I told her I had no interest in meeting with the principal/headmaster/whoever, she insisted. Fine, she can make me go, she can't make me participate. We have the "interview" in a classroom where all four walls are covered in religious decoration/propaganda. I'm not paying attention to the conversation between the principal and my mother, I'm just wandering around looking at the walls, bored out of my mind. At one point the principal says something to me to the effect of, "Do you have any questions? Don't you want to participate in the conversation? Are you excited about going to school here?" I looked him in the eye. "No, not really. I'm only here because my mother forced me to come. I'm an atheist...(1)"
(2)..."my parents would be wasting their money by sending me to school here. No, I'm not 'excited,' and no, I don't want to go to school here." The principal looked gobsmacked. My mother, red-faced, grabbed me, dragged me out of the room, basically threw me in the passenger seat of her car, then demanded to know how I could "embarrass" her like that. I just shrugged. "You embarrassed yourself, without my help. I told you I didn't want to go to school here, and I meant it." I ended up going to a normal HS.
Load More Replies...I know this isn’t quite the same but I still feel obligated to say that you shouldn’t mutilate your kids’ genitalia because of your own religion either. If they want to follow a religion that requires male or female circumcision, let them make that decision when they are old enough to understand what they are doing.
Circumcision has safety reasons. That's actually the reason for it showing up in many religions. Alot of people don't realize, but religions have quite a lot of rules for safety. For example not eating pork. Pork back then was significantly more likely to be infected than other meats. Same reason for not eating bottom feeders.
Load More Replies...My mother was raised a very strict Catholic. When we were little she gave us the choice to go to CCD or not. I chose not. My kids aren't being raised with any religion at all. I didn't baptize them either, much to my family's horror, lol. They've gone to church or temple with friends out of curiosity, but I will never shove religion down their throats.
Because I was forced to attend our Methodist church while growing up, I raised my children without church attendance because I felt it was their decision to make eventually. My oldest was baptized Catholic because my husband (at the time) was Catholic. Strangely, he was "on the outs" with the church because he divorced his first wife. I went along with it at the time due to pressure from his parents. But we never attended church. The other two younger children were not baptized. I don't remember why not, but whatever. In adulthood, my baptized son became a full time Catholic. His choice, of course. My other son also joined the Catholic church. My daughter was baptized Methodist at her husband's church. Again, her choice. But they're divorced now and church was never a regular thing with them anyway - just occasionally at Easter, Christmas, etc., which is fine - their choice.
Load More Replies...Growing up in the LDS church, I decided not to raise my daughter religious and I will let her make that decision on her own. I’m thinking that it more from my traumatic experience of being raised in a religion that didn’t even care about your financial struggles or if you were completely broke.
The Mormon church is a cesspool of evil. I've never seen so many people treat their own with such disregard. Especially the children.
Load More Replies...“I cleaned your poop and fed you everyday selflessly” Bro you decided to have a kid and didn’t know that babies don’t start using the loo as soon as they’re born?
We don't demand unconditional attention, love, and respect from a pet, why should we do so from a child?
That’s literally your job. So if you did that, congrats, you did the bare minimum
They snap back that there are mothers who put their babies in dumpster or kill them when they're born. Wow, no infanticide, you are such a hero! You should remind them that they didn't give birth on the street either
Load More Replies...“I cleaned your poop and fed you everyday selflessly" Now, WORSHIP ME!
This took me decades to get, and my therapist calls it "the big lie." Parents, having children is not some magical act of selflessness that carries you through our lives. You may have to make some selfless decisions, but you are not good and pure for bringing us into the world, esp when we had no say.
" I watched and cried every day as you sat there and fought for your life, and now you have the nerve to yell at me?! AFTER ALL IVE DONE FOR YOU?!" You did that of your own accord ,don't push your choices onto me making them my fault as soon as you don't like that I'm speaking up for myself
There should definitely be gratitude toward parents for raising you (as the kid's prerogative though, not something the parent should expect), but these things should never be used as a reason to justify abuse or to guilt a kid or make them believe theyre a burden. Parent-child relationships should be built on mutual love and respect, not guilt and fear
At the same time, for children of toxic parents, it is extremely important to try to find ways to cope with this situation. Spending time with supportive people is one way, and doing things that make you happy and make you feel good about yourself. In some cases, however, seeking professional help is the only way, and if a child feels like they are not able to handle the situation anymore, it’s best to not wait, but act as soon as possible.
If the kid is “mature for their age”, they are being severely neglected emotionally and most likely already have deep psychological scars.
Yes, can cofirm. Also, an interesting fact I'd like to add: when adult survivors of childhood (psychological) abuse look back at situations in their childhood, they typically appear to themselves as much older and more mature than they actually were.
So true. I can relate. That feeling of being older, for me, resulted in feeling lots of shame and feeling responsible for things my parents should have. I never got to be a carefree kid.
Load More Replies...Not universally true. Parents who talk about deep and complex issues with their kids in a healthy, loving way can produce a mature kid. My kid and I have a great relationship, ditto with her dad, but we have done this (always age appropriately, but deeply) and she is the most self aware and socially aware kid I've ever seen- more so than most adults. And she is loved and happy and thriving.
Same. My daughter constantly blows my mind with how insightful, and emotionally intelligent she is. She is so empathetic and respectful of others. But i was home with her 100% from the time she was born and i have always talked to her about feelings, being kind, standing up for what you believe, and helping others. I also got her doing art and reading at a very early age. I didn't have any of that as a child and i was very "Mature for my Age" in a not great way.
Load More Replies...This is not true for everyone. I have always been nature for my age and I was showered with love, praise and adoration. I was treated like a princess by both parents. My mother grew up in an abusive home and made sure she didn't continue the cycle. My dad was just the best man I've ever met to tis day.
This isn't necessarily a sign of neglect, just of some sort of issue. I know someone "mature for her age" whose father had been told, yet again, that this is it, the cancer is terminal now (thankfully, yet again, it wasn't). Huge issue, major therapy needed, but not neglect. I also know an autistic person who, as a child pre-diagnosis, seemed mature for his age, but it was really that he didn't quite get how to interact with people his own age and preferred to hang out with adults instead. An issue, therapy helped, but still not neglect. I agree that this is generally a bad sign, and I do get concerned when I hear it, but it isn't always the specific issue of neglect.
My older daughter is super mature for her age, always has been. It's just who she is. My younger daughter is the exact opposite. My older one is still a kid in many ways, but the conversations we have, she is wise far beyond her years.
Load More Replies...I think this is variable. I was a very quiet, thoughtful child... and I remember my mother often saying "she's 6 going on 30." It was simply how I was and my parents were certainly not neglectful of me or my hellraiser handful of a brother! (Personally I think he got all the immaturity and energy and left none in the womb for me!) I guess I'm just trying to say... everyone's different and some kids can be "mature for their age" with no parental neglect!
Not always true. Lots of kids are mature for their age just because they are. Maturity does not necessarily indicate emotional neglect.
Hard yes that this can be a sign (although it can just be a personality trait as well). My mom was almost proud of this. But mental abuse caused me to seem "mature" when I was younger, and then break down as an adult.
Not always true. I've been called "mature for your age" my entire life, and I was just neurodivergent and advanced. Plus my parents actually talked to me about real things like science, politics, and culture.
This statement isn't true. Not all children who behave maturely are being emotionally neglected, some kids are just reserved. The same way that some adults are more or less mature than their peers.
Emotional manipulation and gaslighting.
I had years of this. I finally got my mother to stop contacting me by printing out a list of "Adverse Childhood Experiences" and checking off the ones I was subject to under her rule. Final score: eight out of ten. As an abusive narcissist, she can't admit what she's done, and this rude awakening did what nothing else could. It stunned her into silence.
The silence was probably just her buying time to try to think of another way to gaslight you.
Load More Replies...Ohhhh my mother...every time I stand up for myself and call her out on her selfishness (I'm talking my dad had open heart surgery and she complained to HIM about how hard it was on HER while he was in recovery), she gives me the silent treatment for a while. Then comes up with something random she's just so upset about. Like I tell her she's being unreasonable and sometimes it's not about her. She hangs up on me and calls me an hour later talking about how she thinks the dog is dying. Crazy manipulative.
Now we’re getting into mental health issues and not just poor parenting skills.
They changed the headline, I don't know why BP always does that, I think the original one was mentioning something like "toxic parent".
Load More Replies...All the time from my brother. His joy was to make me miserable. BUT WHY? WHY? I never understood why.
What my son is going through right now. My abusive family has custody. They are allowing him to believe that i dnt want to see him. His childhood is a lie. What kind of life is that?? Him thinking mum doesn't want to see me? Did i do anything wrong?
Constant criticism of choices
Plus the assumption that if you do anything different, you're "rejecting" and "judging" them. I've mentioned that I used to get in trouble all the time because they listened to country music, and I listened to stuff I liked. At best, I'd get hours-long lectures about the evils of synthesized music and "play it live!" At worst, I'd get grounded for "backtalk" because I'd say such horrible, disrespectful things like "I don't like country music" and "I like this music better." Step2 was so fragile that he'd have full-blown wall-punching fits if, say, I ordered something non-BBQ at his favorite BBQ place. He saw it as "disrespect."
My high school band director played in the philharmonic orchestra in a nearby major city. He got free nosebleed seats, and would take whatever students wanted to go. My freshman year, I was in my room dressing for my first concert, and my mom came in. She asked me if I realized what kind of music I would be hearing that night. When I said yes, she looked at me in utter astonishment, and said, "and you WANT to go?"
Load More Replies...Everything. Clothes. Hair. Words. How I sit. What I eat. What I listen to. Books, art everything was a criticism
“Are you sure you want to work as a lifeguard instead of at chik fil a, it’s less stress” “are you sure you want to take ballet instead of jazz?” “Don’t be a teacher be a lawyer” I’m a 16yo girl
Omg you have copy and pasted my life, minus the daily talks about how to manage money. Like, I know mom. I'm not getting married at 18 and having kids right away, and even at 16 I'm already more money responsible than you. Some parents need to just stop. You cam get through it Bella, I'm sure of it
Load More Replies...my dad did and when i failed them he said well its not like you studied
Load More Replies...Yep...all because I'm not the revered daughter she wanted...so what I'm not into the stuff I used to do...people change, y'know?
Treating kids like they aren't supposed to have emotions
"You're such a drama queen!" "Why do you have to be so defensive all of the time?" "STOP THAT CRYING." Yeah, you torment us, we break and respond, and WE'RE the ones who are wrong? No, that's just abuse.
I was always told to stop crying when my feelings were hurt, and it made me so emotionally closed off to people as an adult.
Load More Replies...UGH I have talked about how my mother did her no crying or anger s**t since I was four. Kindergarten. She friggin expects me and my siblings to get ourselves together in a few seconds without tears or anything! Until I was about 12 I thought my parents were right and that crying and anger was shameful. But Thankfully I learned to start resenting my mom for it, not mentally thanking her for “turning me into a functional human being” HEAVY AIR QUOTES. My parents wonder why I’m quiet at home and don’t talk about my day at all. MAYBE MOM IT WAS BECAUSE IF I GOT UPSET DURING MY DAY I’D GET IN TROUBLE?!
Screamed at in my face: "shut the EFF up!"when I cried. Slapped because I "was hysterical". Yeah, that's abuse. And ohhh, the "you're so defensive" line, my god.
Yeah. I'm f*****g defensive BECAUSE I HAVE TO CONSTANTLY DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST ABUSIVE ADULTS. Like, the second you scream at a kid that they're "too defensive," it's just a tell on you that you suck as a parent.
Load More Replies...Mom reads my poetry book at age 15. Just says poems are all "depressing"...no c**p, mom, no c**p..
I mean, what other poetry did we write at age 15?!
Load More Replies..."Stop crying, or I'll give you something to cry about." "Uh, I got something to cry about, thanks"
"If you stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about." I already have something to cry about; that's why I'm crying.
"Why are you away so much?!!? Get back here and take care of us!!!"
Load More Replies...“I’ll gi e you something to cry about” yes, belting an already distraught child helps…
Like when the yell at us loudly and for a long time until we are in tears, having to listen to it and then they ask "Why are you crying?"
Telling your child to do something, then getting mad when they do it wrong.
One time my mom made me fold her laundry, then got mad at me because one her shirts was inside out.
I think about that every time I fold clothes now...
I cannot dry dishes. It triggers massive PTSD attacks even at age 46. My mom would make me dry the dishes every night with a single towel - lots of dishes -- and berate me constantly that I "did it wrong". Every night. Oh and yes, we had a dishwasher. She was insane about rules for it, you could barely use it and never, ever in the summer.
I can’t clean because of this. If my room wasn’t clean the way my dad wanted it, out went my toys, the computer got unplugged (damned if I was working on a paper for school or not). Get in trouble or bad grades? Go clean! I now have to hire a service.
Load More Replies...The human condition. At this point, I think most of us spend our adulthood recovering from our childhoods. You're doing great, Autistic apricot, in spite of all of the b******t around you. Keep noticing these things, and if you can't access therapy now, make a mental list of s**t to talk about the second you're out of your parents' home.
Load More Replies...My mom wasn't perfect by any means but I will say that when she taught me to fold clothes she said, "don't worry if it's inside out, when I put it up, I'll fix it right myself. You just fold it as it is and that's enough." I appreciate that looking back.
I mean, this is such a simple, no-s**t thing. Do you freak out and blow up at your CHILD for trying to do something nice and good and responsible because it's not how you would do it? Or do you look at that inside-out folded sweater and let your heart melt a bit because your kid tried to help (which it sounds like your mom did, S)? I'm normally not a fan of either/or simplicity, but come the f**k on. Show your kids the littlest appreciation!
Load More Replies...My father expected perfection immediately. If he could do it, I should be able to do it.
This is so baffling and infuriating, too! "It's not that hard!" Well, no, you've been doing it for 30 years, a*****e. And even if it's a thing that comes naturally to you, others need more time, and that doesn't make you better.
Load More Replies...Or when you want to do something right and then you ask your parent how to do it because you forgot and they get upset at you because "you should know how to do it" and then they don't tell you how to do it and make you figure out by yourself and then they aren't happy with how you do it.
When I was in my early 20s and on Christmas break from college, the holidays were over, and my mother wanted help putting up the decorations. She showed me a big plastic tub, with a zippered clear plastic bag inside it, and told me she wanted all her holiday pillows/stuffed animals zippered into the bag, then put into the plastic tub. Great, easy. She turns her back to me while I'm doing it, because she's cleaning up some other stuff. She turns around--and explodes. Accuses me of "ruining" the stuffed animals/pillows/etc, of packing them "wrong," etc. Red-faced, vein throbbing in forehead, the whole bit. I'm "obviously doing it wrong just to force her to redo it." When I point out to her that the allegedly "ruined" pillows/decorations can be refreshed the following year by throwing them in the dryer with a towel and a tennis ball, she accuses me of "talking back," and orders me to go to my room (remember, I'm in my 20s at this point). I just laughed--and went to my room.
Or do it differently. More than once, my mom criticized how I mopped the floors or washed the dishes...and so I started telling her if she didn't like the way I do things, do it herself. It wasn't like I was doing anything bad...If you're mopping with dirty water or rinsing dishes in dirty water, nothing's getting clean. She hated that I kept changing the water when it got dirty (but unironically, I also got yelled at for not cleaning the floor when I DID continue to use the dirty mop water).
I think of that every time I take my glasses off and set them down. According to them, there is only one right way to lay your glasses down at bedtime.
When children aren’t allowed to have boundaries under the guise of ‘’you shall have respect for your elders/parents/family’’
This is often where weaponized (Christian) forgiveness comes in, too. We all know the rhetoric. "How can you hang on to anger like this?" "Honor your father and mother!" "You seem like such an angry, sad person. You need to forgive and let go." No, actually, I'm allowed to be angry and resentful, have feelings, and hold others accountable for their abuses. Sorry it made Grandma cry, but the ones who were "disrespectful" were the relatives who molested me, not me for finally outing it.
Christianity should not be like this. My parents are "Christian", I should respect them, yes, accept being gaslit, no. I hope I can represent my faith better than my parents one day. But you are right Jan
Load More Replies...I was always told that I had to say "I love you" to relatives who beat and molested me. Guess what! That's not love. Now I only say "I love you" to people I actually love, like my totally kickass husband and my three best friends.
No forced hugs. No "you made Auntie feel bad!" No "family comes first!" And none of it in the pill-in-the-jam way of "respect your elders," either.
Load More Replies...Respect goes both ways. Don’t let anyone demand more respect from you than they are willing to give you. There’s a word for one way respect, it’s called « submission ».
I found that, especially with the men around me then, like the a*****e stepfathers, "respect" is the way Conservative men demand subservience from everyone around them who they think they do and should have some sort of natural/"god-given" authority over. Namely, it's women, children, and people outside their little tribal groups (military, church, etc.). You must "respect" them by never questioning them or suggesting that something different is an option. You must defer to them in all ways. They are the heads of the household. They, in turn, will "respect" you by hopefully not hitting you as much.
Load More Replies...I don't let my youngest kid lock his door only because he has a tendency to fall asleep and forget about it, so I cant get in to check on him for his health concerns. But everything else is all about privacy. We knock, we communicate.
I didn't get to have a freaking door to my room until my twenties. This was after my dad moved in with me and had the audacity to take my bedroom door off the hinges "like when I was little" while at work. We had a lot of boundary issues. I was also raised in a female-centric family and household so with no privacy also came the fact I had to suppress all signs of "boyness" and later "maleness" so I wouldn't offend my mother and sisters delicate feminine sensibilities. In all reality I spent about 26 years of my life pretending to be someone else to avoid offending family and get screamed at for just being me.
My aunt and mom when my partner expressed wanting to stay hidden from family cause they're violent white supremacists that might take their rejection of everything extremely poorly. So when said family sent a PI they immediately told where we were because "family has a right to know. You just don't understand what it's like to be a parent that can't find or talk to their own child." And then they wonder why i want nothing to do with them and won't tell them anything about where I'm moving or what names i might use. Not where i might work or go to school. Nothing to give them a seed for the creepy stalking that will happen once I'm able to move out of state.
Yep. Mum forcing eye contact when trying to force my son that she has custody of, when saying bye to someone. Problem is that he could also on the spectrum
Parents not understanding kids have bad days to. They may not have a bad day like an adult would, but to their little minds they can get just as overwhelmed as we can mentally.
I have to disagree with " to there a little minds" and "may not have a bad day like and adult would" because there day might be worse than an adults and it might not just be small. I had a earth-shattering panic attack at 10 and laid on the floor unable to move after my knees buckled because the earth and walls were shrinking and the only thing I could say for my hour of hardly breathing was "I'm not good enough, why can't I be perfect." I also had depression at 11 and contemplated suicide. So yeah a kids day can really suck sometimes
I don't even agree with "may not have a bad day like and adult would". You have to consider. These experiences in their lives are new. Maybe to you, an adult who has gone through the things and knows how inconsequential they are, these aren't bad days on par with adult bad days. But for them, these are the biggest problems they've EVER had. Mentally and emotionally, yes. It's just as bad a day for them.
I agree with you 100%. The problems I have as an adult are *nothing* compared to the problems I had a child, because now I have the experience, freedom, and resources to deal with things that come up. Children often don't have these things.
Load More Replies...A great book: The Whole-Brain Child. It talks about how children’s brain work differently and how it’s not realistic to expect them to reason and rationalize like an adult.
They don't even develop those skills until late teens/early 20s, FFS!
Load More Replies...I was diagnosed bipolar after a year of fainting panic attacks. As soon as my family learned I had a mental issue, they treated me *worse* than before, which was a pretty big feat. My bad days were 24/7 and I got zero empathy. I still don't know how I survived. When you're little all you have are your parents, and when they don't love and support you... what do you have?
Hugs🤗 your ending question hurt because That’s how it feels..
Load More Replies...Some of my worst days were in junior high in the 90s. Kids can and do have bad days. Sometimes worse than parents can imagine.
I think it's important to remember that kids have less experience. They have less to compare a situation to when determining how bad it is. A paper cut is an annoyance as an adult. To a kid, without 30+ years of hurts under their belt, the experience is worse, even though objectively it's the same.
Literally @ 9 contemplating going to the kitchen grabbing a knife and killing myself so I was going to therapy and when I shared my opinion I got yelled at
Anyone who has a bad day know matter the age its still a bad day just because it may not be as serious in an adults mind they should and have to consider what's going on on the child's it's not fair to say things well my day was worse while they have no idea or forget how hard growing up can be
I have so much admiration for our 3 boys, 12, 14 and 17. The last couple of years with Covid was tough for them. They were amazing, took on any challenge with positivity and a flexibility that would have shamed so many adults. So proud of them and I’m happy to let them know too. 😆 ❤️
"Stop crying or I will give you something to cry about" "I gave up so much for you and this is how you repay me , by being a little whining brat" "Sometimes I wish I never had you , why can't you be like *friends name* who is always behaving politely and respectfully " "Why don't you go and live with *friends name* and their parents. Maybe they will teach you some manners , once you have you can try try speak to me again" Had this a lot during my childhood
"Do you know how many kids have it worse than you?" "You ALWAYS have a hot meal and a roof over your head!" "I have ALWAYS put you kids first!"
And another one. My mother: "why can't you be smart and diligent like your colleague F., he is so good at Maths, he only gets the maximum grade at school. I bet he enjoys doing exercises daily, unlike you - you are so lazy and unworhty". Fast forward several years, me and F. were both college students. He liked me and tried to get close to me. I guess he'll never understand why I rejected him so brutally.
Gosh, why did I open this post. Speaking about "parents sacrifice", I remembered a situation when I was very young (like 8 or 9), and my father came home with a salami for lunch. It had a nasty taste and I refused to eat it. My father started yelling at me: "I sacrifice so much for you and this is how you repay me, you don't deserve anything, you lazy stupid brat" etc. I made huge efforts and swallowed half a sandwich. Minutes later, my father realized that the salami was altered (it had a putrid smell and a dubious color). He told me to stop eating it. He never apologized to me.
I wasn't much of a crier and it made my parents mad sometimes. Dad liked to use the belt and mom liked psychological and emotional attacks. I grew numb to the belt fast and it made my dad angry because he'd beat my butt about 60 licks and I'd just look back "You done now? Can I go? Great." And just walk off. My mom nastier and nastier and I got number and number till I'd just stare at her when she was being ugly to me till she'd get so mad at my lack of reactions she'd threaten to hit me if I "Didn't stop looking at her like that."
How about ‘i might have to put you in the orphanage if you don’t straighten up’
My mom would never say that she regretted having me. Just that she could have died during the pregnancy but cares so much about me that she'd never regret her choice to sacrifice her health and sanity no matter how ungrateful, hateful, or entitled i acted. Most of my childhood we were without water or electricity half the time. And we had just spent some time homeless. And my mom was pregnant again and talking all big about how great having another baby will be. So i (12) told her i don't think having qijer baby is a good idea when she can't even really take care of the ones she has now and what if we end up homeless for more than just a couple months cause money etc. So that's when i took the abortion is the most responsible choice usually stance and she started using this guilt trip every time i mentioned abortion as helping to establish a stable foundation before having kids or allowing to keep providing for existing ones etc. Just lots of talk about ungrateful i am for being born
Victim blaming, only seeing the wrong things and ignoring the accomplishments and good and such
I've mentioned before that my childhood was pretty much a constant gauntlet of bullying and sexual abuse. Every. Single. Time. I mustered the courage to beg my mom to help me, she deflected and made it like it was my fault. My stepfathers had SUCH hard childhoods, I needed to be more understanding, and not put so much stress on them. So-and-so was abused. So-and-so was in Vietnam. So-and-so had mean parents. Maybe I should consider that one of my four-dozen tormenters at school were going through a rough time at home? Or were sad? Or hurt? Maybe I should try reaching out and being friends? OR HEY, MAYBE MY ABUSE AND PAIN WAS JUST AS BAD, MOM? "Hurt people hurt people" is not a f*****g "get out of jail free" card, especially not when it's suggested that, because they had a bad childhood, they now get to destroy mine, too. STOP VICTIM BLAMING CHILDREN. It's not their job to make life easier or more bearable for the adults. If you're that hurt, get therapy.
I was told "what did you do to make the other kids throw stones at you"? Oh, I don't know, mom. I was breathing?! And in therapy my family screamed at me that I was "costing them so much money". I didn't ask to be born or be bipolar! That's your job, to take care of me!
Load More Replies...Yes. I did everything I could to get my parents to love me: did my best to raise my half-siblings right, put myself through college at an Ivy League school, ran a frickin' marathon. It didn't work. Finally, a therapist told me, "You can't get blood from a stone," and a lightbulb went off in my head. Look for love where love exists.
My mom blamed me for being raped and when I started wearing layers and baggy clothing to protect myself she said “don’t wear that, show off your beautiful body”
Oh, Bella. You protect your beautiful body. It's yours, and no one else's.
Load More Replies...I get told I'm gaslighting. For asking questions, sitting in my room, saying I'm sick, having emotions, you name it; I'm gaslighting my mother
I was in my 60s watching Jeopardy with my mom. I got most of the questions right, and she said she didn’t know I was that smart.
It's been a long time, but I'm sure the maternal unit once asked me what I did to make the bullies mad? Uh, exist, mom?
I played team sports throughout my childhood. Father would attend a game only if we made finals and then tell me everything I did wrong.
I had a stalker in 9th grade who threatened to rape me and kill my partner (cause gay) . And my dad was talking about how i can't complain when i clearly ask for attention by dying my hair blue (in 7th grade. And when i went to a different school. No one there even saw that???) So how can I possibly fault him for actually taking notice. He wasn't a fan of my ultimatum (fight the school in court and get a restraining order/him expelled, switch my school, move me to online, or i will drop out and get my GED later. But he really really couldn't bully me into backing down. He tried so hard to though)
Openly having favorites among their kids.
Ah, yes. The Golden Child. In my family, the boys are cherished, and the girls work to care for their mothers. My mom spent my whole life complaining that her parents favored her little brother, and the boys in our family get away with everything, but still refuses to recognize she pulled the same dynamic on us. She honestly thought I'd get married, she'd move in with me and George, and be "grandma!"-matriarch to my kids, and I'd keep taking care of her the rest of her life. Nope. Done. Go live with Golden Child.
Dude, tell me about it. My mother's third marriage was to a rich contractor, and she immediately gave my much younger half-sibling a $250,000 piece of land. This same woman used to get me Christmas presents from the dump because she wasn't willing to spend resources of any kind (time, love, money) on me.
Did you get told you were making too big a deal out of that, too? God dang, POZP, you deserved better.
Load More Replies...This will spund weird, but the "golden child" in my family was my mother's dog. I was compared to him and belittled while he was treated like royalty.
Good grief! So awful. I'm so sorry that happened to you. In my family, the dogs and I were treated equally (like garbage) so we forged an alliance! I still have rescue dogs in memory of my childhood pets. But really, your parents take the cake.
Load More Replies...well as the last of six children everyone thinks the youngest is spoiled. nope wrong we are the ones who take everyone's abuse. and then we are the ones who are left alone with the most awful mother in the world. and you become the person who ends up with the soul focus. of her haltered totally focused on you. my mother used to tell me you never talk i told her i have nothing to say to her. when you live in a family like i did you tend to be quiet and just blend into the back ground and try not be noticed.
Yes, those last two sentences. How to be invisible & save yourself the pain. Sad thing to learn as a child.
Load More Replies...My mom at a family gathering literally looked me in the eye and said "I don't know what I would do if 'brother' died. I don't think I could survive it." Thanks for making it so much easier to walk away mother.
Oh it's been clear since I was born that my brother, the golden child, could do no wrong .. and I am the disappointing spare child
You are not a disappointing spare. You are awesome, with valid feelings and needs, and your own set of talents and abilities. Your parents missed out, but that's their loss.
Load More Replies...once i called out my dad for favoring my sisters and he said i dont have to be fair.
Thinking that asking a question is arguing
What this means is that your parents don't genuinely love you. They "love" you (huge quotation marks) but it means they don't want you to communicate with them to force them to exert any effort whatsoever pretending they actually care you were born. So you ask a question, it's an inconvenience because you're not supposed to be there... you're just there for the tax breaks... they want you to be more like a stuffed animal or a caged hamster.
I mean, if you think a three-year-old asking questions is THAT problematic and distressing to you, you shouldn't've had kids. MOM.
Load More Replies...Yes. Or not agreeing with them is being 'bad'. Or-my personal favorite- that if I can argue a point better than them I'm being insolent. If I'm winning the argument they will literally just decide to stop the conversation like a teenager yelling 'whatever!' and stopping off would. My parents, while I love them, are politically and socially very far from me. And I feel very strongly for gay rights. So I can counter every argument they have with facts or simply a good argument because it matters to me. But when I do that, I'm being 'argumentative' or I'm a b!tch or a know-it-all. If they aren't able to argue the point better than they don't want to hear it and just shake their heads and decide they no longer want to be a part of the conversation. If they just said 'we don't want gay rights because gay people make us think eww and I don't like it,' I'd almost respect them more because it's more true than the religious or illogical arguments they try to give against it.
I cannot believe how many fully functioning adults are still THIS GODDAMN STUPID. If your beliefs/values lead you to believe that gay people are bad/wrong, or that hitting kids is okay, your beliefs and values are morally bankrupt ones.
Load More Replies...This caused so much damage, between the authoritative parenting and the Christianity. I didn't know that I could even ask questions in the first place until I was well into undergrad. Having a different opinion was "arguing." Having different experiences was "arguing." Just needing to understand something was "arguing." No, you were sad, fragile, and insecure.
See, I'd show this to my mom, but then she'd be like Is ThAt BaCk TaLkInG I'm HeArInG????
Yes, I always give my kids a reason for what I am asking them to do. What I don't put up with is the constant "But why???!!!!" and the annoying time-wasting negotiating after I gave them that reason.
When the kids are all in activities they hate because its what the parents want them to do. Living their life over through their kids.
I’ve had to do cello since second grade. My mom’s side of the family has always done some sort of music thing, but it stresses me out so much. She just won’t let me quit.
Had this happen also. Piano lessons. Yet that inspired my love for music and after I changed instruments, my skills helped to join a band. While we didn't get famous, kept us out of trouble because we had something to do with our "time".Forever while I cherish that.
Load More Replies...Parents offer an array of activities to expose kids to different things. Our only rule is to finish the season or year or whatever. Give it a good try!! But if the child is miserable then yes... move on to new activities!!!
Ugh... PeeWee Football in the midwest! Those parents think each of their children will be the next Tom Brady and they literally yell, and scream at the kids when they make a mistake on a play, or get hurt, or god forbid, just don't want to play! Some of these children are 5 yrs old! It's truly disgusting.
Not to mention the physical AND mental damage to their brains.
Load More Replies...Oof I have to do piano for and hour everyday since kindergarten and I hate it so much but my parents (mainly dad) says that I have to do it u til I’m an adult. It is so annoying and I hate it so much. And it’s not even anything g good, mainly just classical. And they wonder why I don’t like classical and why I like metal.
And the opposite: denying kids activities they are asking for, because they decided so. I literally had to beg to go to extracurricular/after school activities even if they were free
Yup. "That's a waste of time." "I don't have time to take you." "What good is that going to do you later on?" And my favorite: "She's so spoiled. She needs to learn that she can't do every goddamn thing she wants to!" That was Step2's reason for grounding me from... going to my monthly bible study meeting in 9th grade. Clearly I was a bad seed.
Load More Replies...My parents let me start and quit whatever I wanted lol I quit EVERYTHING. They knew if I didn't enjoy an elective activity then it didn't need to be done. If I didn't enjoy mandatory stuff like certain classes at school or what have you, they made sure I knew that I won't like everything in life and sometimes we have to power through. But if it was something I chose and then decided I wanted to quit, they let me. When I finally found something I loved, I saw it all the way through and they were so proud of me. Taking a miserable kid to soccer practice for the 10th time, crying because they genuinely don't enjoy it just wasn't right to them. I love my parents for that.
I was always given a choice. My parents encouraged me to try and if I didn't like it, they would never force me. My daughter is the same but she loves reading, writing and drawing more than anything else so I'm supporting her ❤️
My parents made me take music and piano and I didn't like it at the time, but once I was in college something changed and I started to really enjoy it. I spent many years doing it for fun and I have wonderful memories of it and look forward to getting back into it after my kids are older I'm so glad they had me stick with it. On the flip side they never let me try ballet or soccer or encouraged me to do any sport, and I feel like that's really lacking in my life. I try to introduce my kids to different activities and at least stick to it long enough to get some skills and comfort with the activity that they can draw on later. even if they don't love it passionately now, I feel like being well rounded is important.
Playing devil's advocate, I understand wanting to give your kids the best start and music helps parts of the brain that deal with math, memory, structure, discipline, etc. I suffered from the opposite problem; my parents didn't have me do anything because they were too busy to be able to cart me to sports or music practice and as much as I might have hated it then, i wish I'd gotten into some sort of structured music when I was younger so that I would have those skills now. I love music so much and it's almost impossible for me to learn at this point. Certain things are simply easier as a child. While I agree you don't need to be scheduled every minute of your life---which causes all sorts of other issues-- I think it's good to be a part of *something*. If music isn't your thing, then taking another language. Or learning a sport. Let the child pick it. Sports help kids to stay fit and understand teamwork. I sat around the house watching tv all the time and I regret it now.
Getting your kids to pick sides in your broken marriage
This is so, so hard. The way my mom phrased it was "Your father loves you as best as he can." That was the only way to understand why he never called, wrote, or had any interest in us except for maybe once a year for a "family" thing where he needed to look like a good dad in front of his brothers. Two insecure, stupid teenagers got married and crapped out kids for all sorts of insecure reasons to make themselves feel important and fulfilled before they'd grown up at all themselves, and then embarked on years of fights and cheating and open marriage? You both sucked, Mom and Dad.
I'm so sorry you went through that. And that's just it, isn't it. They CHOSE each other but in the end the people who were the most hurt were the kids. They didn't choose this. They didn't ask to be put in the middle. And to be forced to see how childish your parents can be is so harmful. They don't even need to be divorced. My parents have had a horrible marriage for the most part and I wish they had just broken up. It would have been better than what sticking it out bitterly did to them. It makes you respect them less and makes you not want to listen to any advice they give you. I hope you at least saw what they did and learned the lesson from that to be a better parent yourself (if you even choose to have kids. I know a lot of kids who went through this and never want to be married or have children because it was so traumatizing ::raises hand::).
Load More Replies...Oh wow.. my parents divorce was nasty. My mom would flip out on me if I even mentioned my dad's name. If we got into an argument, she would put me in the car crying and drive to his house late at night and drop me on his porch. I was 12. It was so traumatic. I didn't know at the time she was undiagnosed with bipolar disorder, but I'm extremely scarred by it. She did a number on my head. My dad was also very selfish and on drugs. It took a lot of therapy to get my head straight, but I still can't handle things like doors slamming. I make sure that my daughters know every single day how loved they are. I never had that security.
Amy! I’m 66 years old and I still freak at a slamming door. And being woken up to the sounds of screaming & pounding feet through the house. And I left home at 18, so yeah- 48 years and the wounds aren’t healed.Parents can really screw you up.
Load More Replies...UGGGGHH. Yes. Putting the child in the middle of your relationship issues is the most abusive thing I can think of short of actual physical abuse. Fighting in front of them, discussing private things... it's all so horrible. What are you hoping to get out of it by badmouthing their father or mother? Do you think the child is going to somehow hate them? Or love you more or want to be with you more? It only hurts their lives. You're traumatizing your kids and for what...because the person YOU chose cheated on you? Because you two couldn't figure out how to be adults? Every time I hear someone badmouthing an ex in front of their kids- I immediately assume they were the problem in 90% of cases, unless it's a case where the ex hurt the child in some way. In that case, let the kid know it was the adult's fault and not their own. But even then, childish namecalling or bashing isn't going to help anything.
I grew up in a broken family parents got divorced when I was 4. Mom never bad mouthed my dad though she had every right to as he cheated on her multiple times. It wasn't until I was in 5th grade that I saw it with my own eyes and I said that I hated him. My mom said that you don't hate your dad just his actions. Then in 11th grade my older sister found a letter from our dad stating that he never wanted us. It didn't phase much as my dad was never really in the picture. I still to this day don't hate him but I don't like the things he does or says.
Divorce is so difficult. I have failed many times at being neutral for my kids. Their dad is a narcissist and really puts me on the defence with his gaslighting and accusations. My children have suffered from our anger towards one another (their dad and me). Fortunately they understand now...not that that negates their trauma. Life can be so cruel.
I'll never forget how in my parents were both cheating on each other, basically, or cheating back and forth, my mom called asking all sweet and nice and mom like how I was doing and WHO WAS THE S**T MY DAD WAS WITH AND SHE WAS OUTSIDE THE HOUSE AND WHERE IS MY FATHER AND HIS S**T and when I said I wasn't interested in being part of this, whoa. She started insulting and attacking me. Was nuts and our relationship never recovered since she could never apologize to me for how she treated me.
Sort of...it be complicated...but if rather stay with her toxic butt than be with a father who isnt even around as much(adoptive parents)
Reminds me of my childhood, when my adoptive father was trying to get me and my siblings to live with him, when we only wanted our mother. My brother was eventually lured into his trap at 13 years old and good riddance. He doesn’t even see how much he has hurt our mother since then. That was 24 years ago too.
Helicopter parenting
I see so much of this coming directly from Gen X-ers and growing up as latchkey kids. So many swung that pendulum in the extreme opposite direction as parents themselves that now I have students who start college and have never completed a homework assignment without a parent. They break down at every step of a project or paper because the second they were a little uncomfortable, Mom or Dad would swoop in. Now they have zero life/coping skills.
My parents were a fun mix of both. Did(nt) homework by myself since kindergarten. I remember being so confused in first or second grade when kids asked for no homework the night of parent teacher conference because their parents wouldn't be there to help them with it. Like what did that mean that your parents helped you every night with your homework. But then my mom would call up the school if anything went wrong to yell at the administration
Load More Replies...Always being around, swooping in to figure things out that the parents thinks the kid won't be able to, doing all the homework/projects for the kid instead of helping/guiding, applying for colleges/attending job interviews for the kid. Not letting the kid do anything on their own essentially. Now those kids (generally) aren't able to function without their parent(s). Sometimes kids (in teen years but mostly adult years) will turn it around and just cut the parent(s) out of their lives - it's called going "'no contact" - so that the kid can finally learn about the world for themselves.
Load More Replies...That’s why my mom was wanting a 2nd child (I’m oldest) becuase she was a helicopter. My dad is too, but also very uninvolved. It’s better cuz all the pressure isn’t all on my
My mother wouldn't let us have a key to the house until we turned 21. If we wanted to go out we had to ask to 'borrow' a key to our own home.
My mom. Lemme tell you a few of the most overprotective things she’s done! - Learned how to shower, taught by my SISTER not MOTHER, when I was 10. YEP. My mother was concerned I’d slip and drown if I was on my own and neglected to teach me and my dad just went with it I guess. Wasn’t allowed to visit a friend or a park until I was 12 nearing 13. My curfew was the minute I got home, so basically 3 in the afternoon. Even after I was allowed my curfew was 5 PM. She doesn’t teach me life skills like cooking or laundry. She always says I need to learn how to cook and stuff but also tells me to never go near the stove so I don’t hurt myself
I've met a lot of messed kids whose divorced parents would use them as an outlet to rip on the other parent, and try and pit the kid against the other parent. It makes you question who's really acting like the child here.
Oh yes, but it doesn't happen only with divorced parents, but sometimes also with those who stay together "for the kids". Toxic AF. ☹
Yes. My friends' parents stayed together until she went to college, but their marriage (constant screaming, alcoholism, emotional abuse, domestic violence) really damaged my friend. She would have been better off if they had just split up.
Load More Replies...I did this once and felt terrible for it.... I had just gotten off the phone with my ex and as soon as I hung up exclaimed " your dad is driving me crazy!!" After a few moments I looked at my oldest and could see the awkward look on her face, I felt terrible and had to explain that I was having a bad day but that I should have never said that.... lesson learned.
My life in a nutshell. I was always used as a weapon against each other.
When my parents separated, my father took my sister and I to a children's psychologist. She started putting the blame on my mother right away. When my sister told my mom, she freaked out. It turns out that the woman wasn't licensed. We ended up with an actual counselor later. Also, my mother was really respectful of our feelings about our father, and rarely ever spoke negatively about him till we were adults. My father had no such compunction and slagged her whenever he could.
My parents liked to argue after their divorce about whose turn it was to have “those kids!”. Hey, right here, I have feelings.
My mom left my dad when I was 10. She'd had enough of his passive aggressive manipulating behavior but my dad was a heart broken mess. He would call me every evening to ask about my day and say good night but at least half the time he'd start crying and then would beg me to tell my mom that she should go back to him. He thought that my pleas would work on her better than his. I had no idea what to say to my mom so I never said anything and never even told her what he'd said to me. Only remember being so uncomfortable and out of my depth that I would almost panic when the phone rang at 8:00. He finally stopped when he started dating my future stepmom.
My dad did this and now wonders why I barely talk to him. This is a major reason why. Parents pitting their children against the other parent and, in effect, each other does *nothing* good.
But in my unique situation, the olds hve custody of my son for the past ten yrs. They are playing mu son against me.making him believe that i dnt want to see him. When he was younger, j, if u dont blah blah blah, i wont be bringing him to see u next week, right in front of him. That when my son would try and talk to me about something, i told u not to tell mum that and, wait until mum goes and then ill tell u
Telling their kids that they have to finish EVERYTHING on their plate, even if they get nauseated or throw up as a result.
... and what good does that make? When you feel full it is your body's way of telling you that you have already supplied it with what it needs. Eating beyond that point will only add exess callories, which will be stored as fat. Yes that extra food on the plate is wasted if thrown out, but stuffing it into your body will also do not good, but might lead to an obesity issue later. So how about focusing on not putting too much food on the plate, by teaching you child that it is okay to aim for the lower side at first, and then adjust with a second (or third or fourth...) serving later? Sometimes we just get the guestimate wrong, because the food is "heavier" than anticipated and then we cannot eat it all. You learn along the way, and it will take some experience to get the portion size right most of the time. Especially if they did not dose the food themselves, e.g. because you were at a restaurant, requiring them to clean the plate is rediculous.
I agree with you heartily, Jon. My mother used to say, "It's a sin to waste food." When my future husband heard that, he said, "How is force-feeding somebody not a waste of food? It's just going to end up as fat and misery." At that point, I realized I had been brainwashed.
Load More Replies...This 100% happened to me. My mother used to dump three times as much food as I could comfortably eat on my plate and refuse to let me leave the dinner table until I had choked it down. Often the food was slimy and cheap, like the endless overcooked zucchini we got from the garden. I would throw up from force-feeding. This happened until I went vegetarian at 16. At that point, she decided she wasn't going to cook "for" me anymore, and my life improved.
We played a game with our kids when they only ate a little to get them to eat a little more. Usually when they didn't want the meal but wanted dessert. We would poke their stomachs gently and suggest there was room for a couple bites of meat or perhaps veggies. If they had room for dessert, there was room for veggies.
I think this was a big thing when I was growing up.. I was born in 1968 to boomer parents born in the 40's. Their parents went through the Depression so food was really scarce. I do the exact opposite with my kids...they just pack up what they didn't eat and reheat it later.
If you feel like you can't be open and honest with them, even over things that are not bad.
When I got raped I was too afraid to tell my mom, and when I did, she blamed me for being raped and then proceeded to cry about how she does so much for me yet I don’t even trust her…
I'm with you, Mom didn't blame me, she laughed at me and told me that my husband can't rape me, he can do whatever he wants to me, I'm his wife, I belong to him, get used to it, this is how marriage works. Neither of my parents ever knew I'm lesbian, I did what I was told and what was expected of me as a girl and hid my true self from them my whole life. The leash is off, the chains have been broken. I truly hope you get that freedom soon, too, in any way you can get it ((((((hugs)))))
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Comparing your kid to someone else’s or vice versa
All. The. Time. By high school, I was committed to being perfect. I was on honor roll, the student body, I went to a "good" Christian school, my only activities were working part-time after school to pay for my clothes and books, and going to Bible Study. All I heard from my mother and Step2 was about everyone else's daughters who were SO MUCH BETTER. Why, Heather came home and just handed her mom a hundred bucks for groceries! Nicky is in fourth-year Spanish and is almost fluent! DeeDee cleans HER room! By the time I got into my PhD program, my mom loved to passive-aggressively make it clear that I STILL wasn't the daughter she wanted. She's never said "I'm proud of you." She always had to frame it with the digs. She'd beam at a cousin or friend and say things like, "Isn't it wonderful that Jan loves these books so much! I know most women would prefer to have a daughter who has a whole bunch of grandkids, but I'm just so proud she does what she wants most, instead."
My mom does that and then when I do it she yells at me saying "Are they my kid?!"
My mother's specialty was asking why I couldn't be more like "X", then the next conversation she would tear "X" down. Occasionally I would ask why she did that, then I was told I had a "bad attitude". It was mystifying. My own children are grown and I never, ever did that to them.
But, "they" had better parents. Those parents invented, taught, loved and wanted to be a part of their children's lives. I wish I had their mom too.
Promising your kids something, and not following through. This happened about a year ago. I used to have extreme warts on my face and legs. My mom promised me a hundred bucks if I could stop picking at and ruining my face (two red flags already), and promised my brother a hundred bucks to grow out his buzzcut. Weeks pass, and I douse my face in apple cider vinegar. After about three months of scabs on my face, and waiting for the vinegar burns on my face, I had glass skin. During the three months, my brother's buzzcut had grown out and his hair looked great, so he got his money. I asked my mom for my money and she responded with:
"Clara, I already spent a lot of money dying your hair purple. Don't be spoiled."
My hair was no longer purple. A year and a half before this situation, I had lost all my friends, and nobody was really interested in hanging out with me, so my mom suggested getting my hair dyed, and I was SO excited, so of course, I gave in.
By no means is my family running short on money, I think my mom just didn't feel like it.
The broken promises pattern is a big one. I look back on my relationship with both of my parents, especially my mom, and never once did either of them follow through on a promise, a suggestion, or an idea. EVER. It really screwed with how I understood goals and achieving them, and what was even possible. As a child, everything was out of reach and impossible, and "maybe we can go to the library this weekend" was as far-fetched as "let's plan a road trip to Disney!" Even something like my mom promising to replace the things that my brother broke never had any follow through. Now? I set a f*****g goal and mow it down like a beast.
LOL how can people be such emotionally and financially manipulative animals but socially be accepted to be "good parents" Like... the only way you can be considered a bad parent if you are literally caught on camera torturing (not just beating, but torturing) your kid. That's it. Anything else that happens is "fair game" for some strange reason.
". A year and a half before this situation, I had lost all my friends, and nobody was really interested in hanging out with me, so my mom suggested getting my hair dyed, and I was SO excited, so of course, I gave in." Oh so friendship is about the colour of the hair. If people find your haircolour to be of great importance, than maybe those are not the people you should spend time with. Freindship should be about connecting with people on an emotional level, not about something so superficial as apearance and hair.
I know this is hard for you guys sometimes but... often, girls/women dye their hair for fun. Because we like the colors. It has nothing to do with "friendship" or other people, ffs. It just makes us happy, because it's pretty.
Load More Replies...Telling them “I feed you I raised you and kept a roof over your head” because they didn’t do something you wanted them to do. That’s emotionally abusive and that’s literally the bare minimum you HAVE to do as a f**k parent.
Both my parents say that nothing is mine until I'm 18 and if I tall back about it they will just take away everything that I love to do the most
Yerp. My books, my fabric, anything they gift to me, not mine, it's theirs
Load More Replies...Well when most women only have kids for the tax breaks, this becomes kind of the norm. It is what it is. Welcome to reality. Sucks, huh? Yea it does.
1)You feel your accomplishments don't matter.
2) you are over sensitive to minor changes in other people's emotions
3) you get startled pretty easily
4) you people please to the extent that it hurts you
5) you think your emotions don't matter
6) you over compensate
7) the thought of even a day without them is relaxing
8) you have a problem with setting boundaries
Me. It's a life long struggle, but the fact that you've realised this about yourself is a huge first step, so congrats!
Load More Replies...PTSD...youre always on alert and can never relax. You're always second guessing yourself. You can't form relationships bc you never learned to trust. Your mind spins with even minor triggers and decision making such as setting boundaries is impossible. You feel the extreme need to put others ahead of yourself. And often times you do all of these things (and more) without realizing. I can relate.
For me the second one isn't resulting of a bad parenting, I'm a lil' bit autistic and every single detail is important, no matter if it's the littlest or something a bit bigger and sometimes the most important things aren't my main preoccupation. It's true in relationships too.
All of these are me. I don't know how to fix it :( I literally hurt myself mentally just trying to make my family happy, and do the same for my friends. I don't mind for my friends, I actually care about them, but it's friggin exhausting
All but #8 was me growing up; thanks be to God, I have come a long way!
1 - 6 are true, but not because of my parents. They try their best, but im a chicken <3
Refusing to let them grow up. My Mom did this with me and I see it in kids I babysit.
It’s one thing to enjoy the occasional sick cuddles. It’s another thing to keep them in diapers because you don’t want your baby to grow up
This is a facet of helicopter parenting, too. These parents want to feel needed, wanted, loved by their children to the point that they will emotionally stunt them to keep that relationship with that dynamic. They aren't raising kids to be healthy adults, they're raising a f*****g fan club.
Raising your child in an unhealthy manner then expecting them to suddenly become the opposite when they get older, and if they don't, blaming them for it. I feel like I see this a lot with dependence/independence: a parent does everything for/with their child then expects them to suddenly become completely independent at a certain age. Of course there are normal steps a person needs to take on their own during any major life transition (e.g. when transitioning from being dependent to independent/becoming an adult), but in this case, a parent putting all this pressure on the child alone seems a bit toxic to me.
Others are being overprotective and expecting your child to support you financially/emotionally (nothing wrong with caring for family, but it becomes toxic when 1) a parent starts guilting their child for not doing so and 2) a parent starts e*xpecting* their child to do so on a regular basis).
Don’t know if you call it toxic, but scolding your kid for behaviours that you as an adult regularly fall into. Eg being moody/irritable when tired or hungry or after a bad day…
Hypocrisy can be quite toxic. For one the parents/legal guardians need to lead by example.
After a childhood of being punished for "always having my nose in a book" and "not going out and doing anything," I have a cynical eye-roll for watching my mother spend all of her time, even back then but all of the time now, just... lying on the couch with the TV on and a Mercedes Lackey paperback in front of her face.
I have a friend who is very hard on his son and always scolds him for behaviour he has himself. The boy is chatty and he likes having conversations with adults. Sometimes I’m chatting with him, and the father tells him to shut up. Like hey! Is he not allowed to speak? He’s not doing anything wrong, he’s not bothering me in any way. By the way, the father is totally the kind of dude who never shuts up. I think he just doesn’t like his son getting the attention he so desperately wants.
My father was a cable guy and like a lot of cable guys, had a "black box" (this was in the days before digital cable). It gave us access to the premium movie channels for free and all the other cable stuff, including pay-per-view. I ended up letting slip to my friends that I was going to watch some WWF event one weekend, and when my father found out, he went ballistic, and made me swear to not tell anyone else about it. He later kicked me out when I started stealing money from him.
Just being unnecessarily angry at the most inconsequential things that kids are bound to do. They’re kids, they’re bound to do dumb s**t or bound to make a mess or break things. Yes there’s discipline and what not to teach them right from wrong, but I’ve lost count of how many parents I’ve seen over the years totally lose their cool and just lash out at their small kids like “oh my god what is wrong with you! Why did you do that!!?” etc etc. I just think to myself, dude how old are you again? You’re an adult (and a parent) and you still haven’t learned to productively control and manage your emotions? I get it, raising kids is tough. But damn at least set a good example in terms of conflict resolution and all.
My Stepfathers did this. Of course, it was many decades ago, so things were different, but... was ANYONE impressed by the hardened construction worker screaming at a 7-year-old child because she didn't know the way home from her new school on the first day? Not even the teachers said anything, then.
Load More Replies...1. If your life at home is supposed to be some kind of secret to the outside world, it is toxic. 2. If your parents say no to basic things like shoes and clothing or even a special toy you ask for on holidays "because I say so" or "we can't afford that" but then turn around and shower themselves with collectables, clothing and shoes, that's toxic. 3. Weird financial stuff. For example, my mom made me pay for a car, behind my dad's back, and then made me give the car back when I got married. When I reminded her she made me write her checks, she said "oh that was just to use the car!" Another thing was when I finished paying off my student loans, I found out my mother had pocketed MY refund checks. She had always said there was no refund. 4. When they discourage age appropriate milestones. Like having friends, learning to drive, etc. 5. If they make you be around people who clearly make you uncomfortable. Like relatives who were inappropriate towards you, but it's a holiday so don't make us uncomfortable. Run. 6. When they make your feelings out to be a total inconvenience. ....I think that covers the last few years of things I discovered in therapy....
One of the only big blow-ups I had with my grandmother was when she wanted to invite the cousin who'd molested me for 8 years to Christmas. Choked with sobs because she was heartbroken that he'd "spend the holiday alone," she begged me to "forgive him" and "move on." No. Effing. Way. "Do you really expect me to sit at the holiday dinner table and pass the potatoes to the guy who abused me for my entire childhood? You expect me to introduce George to him, you expect George to pass him the potatoes?" (Sadly, that was the argument that she got.) Also, he's "alone" because he's a meth-addicted alcoholic POS who hates everything.
#2, my sister gets literal full on shopping sprees, like, bi-weekly, but when I have no pants and need work shoes I'm such an inconvenience. #3, my mom always rants to me about how I need to manage money, when I'm more capable than her at it already. I'm not getting married right away and getting loans on cars/apartments, etc. I can't afford with two kids by 20. #4, I absolutely love being told my friends probably don't like me; I'm a terrible driver and should wait a few years; I shouldn't go to the mall with friends, I don't have enough money and I'll be kidnapped because I don't know how to protect myself. #6, if I get upset I get yelled at for not handling my emotions properly (crying in my room, having emotions in the first place), and if I go in the bathroom to cry my mom will bang on the door to come out for like half an hour. She'll ask what to so long and I respond crying. "WHY THE F*** WERE YOU CRYING? I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT" 1/2
2/2 "YOU NEED TO HANDLE YOUR EMOTIONS LIKE AN ADULT!" Or I'm gaslighting her. Because ya know, she's gaslighting me? Ok I'm done ranting thank you for listening to my sad TEDTalk
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Personally, my father once said that it "wasn't his job to care about how I felt" because he's not a female. Note, that this was immediately after I told him I wanted to live with my mom and when he asked me why (after throwing a chair at me and cussing me out) and I told him a multitude of reasons but the main one was the fact that I felt like my feelings were ignored and as long as I was cared for monetarily I didn't matter. The same man who refused to let me talk to my mom outside of the weekend visits we had every other weekend.
And now, I might as well be incapable of healthily expressing my feelings.
So, tldr: Totally invalidating a child's feelings because the parent is convinced that they only need to care for a child physically.
Funny how family courts literally will only ever seem to give the kid in a divorce to the worst possible parent. Our Family Courts system is completely broken because we are afraid to admit it but we straight up hate children in this country (once they're born). An unborn fetus is treated like it's worth more than gold but once the kid is born we only care that is suffers as much as humanly possible.
My stepfather (father figure, always called him "dad", bio dad didn't give a crud) was in my therapy one day. Doctor starts off "now, your daughter -" ...and he cuts her off with a mortified look, a disgusted wave and says "oh, no, she's not MY daughter!" Yeah. It still hurts.
As a teacher, calling your teenage horrible person of a son or daughter a "baby." How is a fifteen year old sociopathic teen a baby? They're about three years away from being charged as an adult for the f****d up things they do to others, two in some states. Yet some parents show up to school trying to justify and cover for their "babies," even if we have video footage of them committing crimes like damaging property or stomping out another student for petty reasons. Sometimes they even brutally attack teachers, and parents first words will still, "you have to understand our baby has been through so much." I don't have to understand s**t once that line is crossed and no baby could do that to another person. So, something is very wrong with a lot of parents in our society. Just FYI. This is a recurring pattern we see every year.
"They don't understaaaand-" Then that's what they'll learn in my class. Now go the f**k away.
Knowing whose footsteps are whose. Perfect lying skills The only copping mechanism you know is "suck it up, it's not that bad" Having zero social skills Feeling like the slightest mistake makes you a mistake
Ok aren't knowing footsteps normal? Like you live with these people for ages you will learn to recognise it...
Learn the emotions behind foot steps. Certain ones you'll know to hide or look busy.
Load More Replies...2, 3 and 5. again. NOT BECAUSE OF MY PARENTS. I JUST AM A SCARDY CAT- who doesn't like making mistakes.
I have a friend (let’s call Judy) who is literally surveilled by her parents 24/7. We are both 17/18 and yet our lives are so different. The first time I met Judy’s parents at a competition we were both apart of. Both of Judy’s parents were Veterans who fought in Afghanistan (her father even losing a leg!) although the competition was a good 100 miles away and the bus could only take students, her parents showed up and were on her like a HAWK. The competition was on a college campus and we were limited to where we can and couldn’t go. But overall, a good square mile. When we got off the bus, Judy took out her flip phone and found that her parents called her 5 TIMES from just the bus ride. When they arrived, they would follow Judy and I around 6ft behind not giving her any privacy. What was also really weird was the obsessive amount of pictures her mother wanted to take of her even when she wasn’t comfortable. She was able to sneak away and eat lunch with us in peace but her mother was furious. Prom was a complete disaster. We were having a wonderful time before I was getting a little hot and stepped out for a breath of fresh air. HER MOTHER WAS GUARDING THE DOOR WATCHING HER DAUGHTER. Seriously? It’s prom! They check our bags before we go in! The most delinquent thing I’ve ever seen Judy do is put on her rings at school because her parents didn’t like them. She’s a straight A student and was stellar in the competition we were in. Toxic parenting is refusing your child to be independent and have a break for crying out loud!
they remove the door to your room.
Whenever I ask my mom to leave my room because she’s yelling at me or threatening me, or she’s yelling at me so I go to my room cause I don’t want to have a mental breakdown in front of her but she just follows me in and keeps yelling at me so I ask her to leave and she says “it’s my room, I’m just letting you stay in it” I’m 16… and when I do have a door I’m never allowed to have a lock
I'm 14 and not allowed to lock my door. I just got it back after I was grounded for piercing my ears. They said they couldn't trust me behind closed doors
Load More Replies...Every single Conservative "traditional" a*****e man in my family does this to their daughters. Never their sons, btw. It's ALWAYS the girls. Let's think about this f****d up dynamic for a few minutes, shall we?
My ex did this...and just about all these other things to our children. They have been so hurt by it. But at least now that they are older they recognize he was the one with problems and that he was wrong.
Yup. My dad never allowed locked doors, not even when my sibling and I were teenagers. My ex-stepmother implemented the same for her kids while she was married to my dad. My then-stepsiblings acquiesced, whereas my biological sibling and I did *not,* citing the perfectly reasonable right to privacy. Nope; the off-chance of an emergency happening was always held against us.
That's f*****g ATROCIOUS. I forget sometimes that people do sh*t like that.
The “I guess I’m just a bad parent” line
Only valid answer: yes, you are. Don‘t ask stupid rhetorical questions for the sake of emotional manipulation. Grow up.
If I ever speak to her again, this is the response I need to use with my mother.
Load More Replies..."You had a good childhood!" Bro I literally have CPTSD and an ace score of 10. Go. Away. Dad.
"But we took you to the water park!" Yeah, after Step1 threw the full dining room table across the room and then screamed at me "Now, you clean that up!"
Load More Replies..."That's why I wanted to go to therapy, but you refused."
Load More Replies..."I did the best I could, but you kids didn't come with instructions! Fine, I guess I'm a horrible mother!" Yeah, turns out, Mom, that when your kid says "Mommy, can I have a hug?" and your response is to sigh, give a half-hearted hug, then push her away complaining that she's "so clingy," you shouldn't need instructions that say "Your kid needs a hug from her mom," you f*****g a*****e.
If my mum ever said that,she'd really think she was a bad parent and that she was awful and...
Smashing the kids electronics that the kid paid for with their own money
Rare but this does happen. Parents destroying things a kid bought with their own actual hard work (either through chores or whatever). Same thing with taking money they earned. Rare but I've seen both...
Every single man who films himself smashing a kid's possessions thinks he looks like a strong, tough parent. He actually looks like a pathetic manbaby clown.
"You're not depressed! What do you have to be depressed about? Your life is so easy compared to mine. All you do is go to school and see those little friends of yours. You're not sleep deprived because of babies, You don't have to revolve your life around other people! F**k you get to poop in place. So stop being an attention seeking drama queen/whore and know that your problems are NOT as bad as my problems and if you had REAL depression you wouldn't be so happy when you saw your little friends! Oh and by the way, they hate your guts. I know this because.... (insert fake a*s reasons here) and even if they do like you - they don't know the real you. They know the fake you, the one who pretends to be nice. But I know you better than all of them and I know what you're REALLY like".
My mother complained non-stop about how hard it was to be a parent... how thankless and awful it was. She couldn't wait till it was "my turn to suffer". 20 Years later... Mom is somehow surprised that I never had children. Go figure.
Same. I bet all those tax breaks were so hard for your mom. All that money she saved which was probably the reason she had kids to begin with. But it must have been so hard having a choice to have kids and making that choice and then complaining WHILE being manipulative about how easy you had it. "Motherhood." I wonder if she ever mentioned "I carried you for 9 months" once again deflecting from the fact that it was her choice to do so for those sweet sweet tax breaks. The "I know the real you" is the worst possible thing she could've said too. Seems like a common thing too. Even for me. Because my mom DIDN'T know me. If anything, i was fake WITH HER just to get by so... yea....
Load More Replies...It is no wonder that that ended in depression. Unfortunately depression is still highly stigmatised and can be hard to grasp for people "outside". Depressed people often fight really hard to keep their heads above water and keep up the facade, so you have to know that just because you cannot see it, it does not mean that it is not there. Especially if you have such unempathetic parents as this, I can very well imagine a lot of emotions being hidden under a fake smile.
The friends hating you bit hits too close to home. And the sleep problems. Asked my mom if we could buy some melatonin and explained why. I got a full explanation (in the middle of the store) of how I was lying about me sleep problems
There are many signs that can indicate toxic parenting, but some of the most common ones include: 1. A parent who is constantly critical of their child, or who is quick to anger. 2. A parent who is overly involved in their child's life, to the point of being intrusive. 3. A parent who is excessively controlling, or who attempts to micromanage their child's life. 4. A parent who is emotionally abusive, either through their words or their actions. 5. A parent who is physically abusive, either through hitting, slapping, or other forms of violence. If you see any of these signs in your own parenting, it's important to seek help from a professional. Toxic parenting can have serious consequences for children, including low self-esteem, anxiety, depression, and even behavioral problems.
The constant criticism really rings true to me. My mother never complimented or praised. She only scolded or criticized. I was very afraid of her, and spent a good deal of adulthood thinking I had no value whatsoever.
Same, but I haven't made it to adulthood yet. When I get (understandably) upset at being called fat or being told I should diet, wear makeup, etc. She's just "always skating on thin ice" with me. Can't wait to move out. Does it get better?
Load More Replies...I will say one that might feel s bit controversial For me it's pulling the "Fred and George Weasley", what I mean is having twins and raising them as if they are the same person, not caring about them having different characters and having do everything together just because they are siblings and look alike. One wants to start playing basketball? the other one has to go aswell. I think you get the idea
This has always bothered me. Twins run in my family so when I decided to have kids, I vowed not to treat them like bookends. My twin cousins really resented being dressed alike or being treated as half of a person. They have totally different personalities. They really struggled. with their identities growing up. They were always referred to as "the twins" instead of their names. I'll never understand why parents do that. Because it's "cute"??
I’m a twin and many parents don’t realize they’re doing that because twins are somewhat unique. It’s also just easier to say “the twins” at times if both are going to the same schools, have a shared interest in a certain career, work together, etc.
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When my cousins step brother traveled upon arrival he had to call his mom, his grandmom, then their minister/priest. Each call took about an hour. The call to the priest was to confess any impure thoughts he had while driving alone.
This was for any drive over an hour. If he didn't do this he faced punishment. The guy was 26 When he moved out.
Yikes! I might understand a short call to relatives to tell them you have reached your destination safely. But spending an hour? that sounds like a huge waste of time. He is a grown up by now, so all you can do is to make sugestions about what you want. Straight up punishing a grownup for not complying with the rules that you have set, is beyound resonalbe. He should be able to make his own decitions by now, so that level of controling behaviour is completely out of place. Sounds like a cult.
Not trying to be mean but if he was 26 by the time he moved out it's kinda hard to feel as much sympathy for him.
S**t my dad has said to me growing up were definitely red flag toxicity. S**t like “Your grampa embarrassed me in public growing up, now it’s my turn!” and “I think your friend is gay, he better not make you gay!”
Giving the child absolutely everything and anything they ever want, unable to say no. Sure, give them things, but not everything. This isn't nice, it spoils them and doesn't teach them any value of earning things and then you get teens/young adults who feel they're entitled to everything.
What sort of job do you have, out of interest?
Load More Replies...I don't remember who said this but I definitely agree: "The spoiled child is the one of whom nothing is required."
Yup. The total opposite of deprivation- i.e. constant instant gratification- has toxic effects, too.
Threaten your child with abandonment and unemployment just because they refuse to pick the major you want them to study.
I'm shocked reading that this is a thing in America. You can't just push your kids out in Nigeria because they are 18. Moreover, parents here will never allow their kids to pay for college themselves by going into debt. If your parents can't afford university education, you learn trade. I just hate the idea of loading up young adults with debts.
My mom said she was intending to call the adoption office to return me when i was 7. 7. She picked up the phone and everything. Something in me said "there is no way that's legal" but was pretty young without the life experience to gauge how messed up the world actually was yet... so... still stressful...
When a parent refuses to believe you after presenting loads of irrefutable proof.
Or when they refuse to look at the proof and only believe it when it comes from another person (me, telling my dad something about Putin "you liar, there's no way he would loose time doing that", literally the next day "hey I read so so on Putin this morning. What no you never told me this" (it was about Putin forbidding gay marriage in the Russian constitution, we are not Russian but I am NB so I often have this kind of informations on my phone, he thought I played victim))
I have a personal experience with my toxic parents:
* Undermining everything good thing you have done in your life
* Making unfair comparisons
* Being cruel to your out of a twisted sense of justice
* Acting immoral but holding your children to an unrealistic standard
* Turn other family members against you
* Spying on you
* Cursing you and hoping you suffer when they don't get their way
* Strategically using weaknesses against you in a middle of argument
* Speaking negatively about you behind your back
* Breaking their promises
* Feeling entitled to your money
* Dumping their debts and problems on your shoulders
* Call you vile names and yet still demand you owe them something
* Using religion as sword and shield against you
* Reminding you how much you owe them
1, 4, 5, 6, 7, ESPECIALLY 8!, 9, 10, 11,12, 14. Gosh I'm fricked up
Comparing you to your other parent when you’re in an argument
“You’re just like your mother!” Oh, so a saint. Thanks!! (I wish I had said this as a kid sometimes!)
Being strict, for the sake of being strict. There's nothing wrong with strictness in and of itself. It's a good thing IF it produces more productivity, fulfillment, and efficiency. is it keeping everybody happy? Is it keeping everybody active and productive? Is it flexible? It becomes a problem when the strictness serves no purpose, or only serves to keep people on their toes, or make them think they're walking on thin ice all the time.
Denying the child any privacy because “they only want the best for them” and “they have a right to know” concrete examples include going over my trash and placing it on my desk, opening letters without permission, copying over all my phone contacts and actually using those numbers on non-emergencies
I once read about a parent who removed the door to the childs room. Imagine potentially being under surveilance 24/7, that must be a major stress factor.
I had my door taken away when I was 12, this is normal for toxic parents
Load More Replies...Letting my kids have privacy is highly important to me. I never snoop through their rooms or phones.
My mom searches my entire room once a week and has even admitted to it, she’s taken my pepper spray and when I asked she said I shouldn’t need it if I’m not putting myself in a dangerous situation, I’m a 16 year old girl, anytime I leave the house I’m in a dangerous situation
Punishing adult children when they don't do everything you say by silent treatment or nasty texts. ..days later acting like nothing happened. Saying , "you never let go of things."
Narcissism How can a child gain self-esteem, confidence and strong will if the parent is diminishing their achievements while comparing themselves to their children as someone who's doing more and better?
Micromanaging their kids to suit other peoples’ opinions of the parent. Basically the classic “What will other people say/think?” Really can mess a kid up and perpetuate people pleasing tendencies and a lack of identity
when they say "i never said that you made that up" when i told my mom how she doesn't let me go out with friends or even have male friends. ☹️
My mom did this recently then when I insisted I was right about something she looked at the other person in the room and said "she doesn't know what she's talking about". My ex used to do that to me all the time so she knows it's a trigger for me. And for the record I'm in my late forties.
My mom says this a lot. The only thing that made me realize this isn't normal and I shouldn't always wonder if my interactions with any human are real or not is when she started calling me a gaslighter. Every time she calls me that I look up the term, and man it hurts to realize how messed up I am
Yes, my mum does that sooo much and then sometimes will put words in my mouth
I think what parents should really do here, rather than "I never said that!" is to ask themselves "ok, why does my child think I said that? What did I do to leave them with this interpretation? How can I ensure I make myself clear in the future?" Sometimes, it could be the child lying, children have been known to do that, but often it would be the child believing that's what they're meant to do, and if that isn't what the adult wanted, they should probably think about how this arose rather than blaming the child for making stuff up.
Tricky one. What is said and what is heard is not always the same thing, so there could be a misinterpretation in there somewhere. But that is exactly what makes gaslighting so tricky to deal with, because it makes you question yourself and not the manipulator.
Invalidating your identity and life choices.
Like refusing a coming out "Dad I am..." "no, you're not" (true story)
I'm too scared to tell my parents... I don't know how they'll react
Seeing a parent getting mad or hitting a kid for wanting a toy or a piece of candy in the store… kids are supposed to like candy and toys what the hell did you expect from them
No, you shouldn't get mad just because your child wants something a child SHOULD want. However, you see these kids in stores all the time not just asking for a toy. But screaming and throwing a fit because mom told them no. Hitting is never ok. But it's perfectly reasonable to get irritated and get on to the child. Yes, it's normal behavior. But it's normal behavior that needs to be corrected.
A small boy wanted an icecream. He screamed. His dad walked away. I tried to comfort and help him. Then the dad shook him and said you are not the boss and another woman told the dad this is not okay.
Sure, dad shouldn't have to shook him, that is clear. But... when dad walked away from a boy screaming about ice-cream, perhaps giving the boy a lesson he would not stand screaming as a way to get something... WHY would you step in and "comfort and help" the boy...? Wasn't that just not ruining the whole point of what was dad trying to make...? Or the boy was in danger, dad walked out of store abandoning little kid...?
Load More Replies...Justifying shi**y behaviour with "I'm only doing this because I care".
Nice deflection tactic I saw many times in my life. Sad that I was smart enough to know what it was while it was happening. Kinda wish i didn't sometimes.
"I'm doing this to toughen you up". Yeah, well, how's that working out you morons? If every time I cry and ask you please don't say that, it's hurting me, as a effing five year old, you think it's WORKING? Even when I'd say nothing later on I'd still die inside every time.
Parentification
OMG yes. My little sister has no memories of my mother or father bathing her or reading to her, she remembers me doing that. I am 4 years older than her.
Forcing your child to take care of you or siblings as if you're the adult.
Load More Replies...My mom made me have an insane distrust in anyone around me. I always have to have some sort of dirt on ever close friend i have. This is because my mom will promise that things i deeply care about wont be taken from me, but when she wants me to behave, she will take them. She will manipulate me, gaslight me. Say that i expect her to be perfect when i only expect her to uphold her promises. I cant trust anything or anyone around me anymore. I *need* a way to destroy someones life to trust them. Just in case they try to ruin mine. I hate that. I have only realized this recently. Im 13. Im 13 and i dont have any real trust in anyone because of her. I cant get therapy. Im stuck.
You've realised. Regardless of how recently that was, many people don't get that far for years later, if at all. A problem identified is a problem that, if not solveable, can be helped. There are also free resources out there, including online counselling. You might be stuck _for now_ in _certain_ respects, but one day you'll be free from those, even though you likely can't see how now.
My parents think therapy is for snowflakes and weak liberals. Like, no, it's for people who are messed up, like me. Because I'm exactly like this. I trust no one. Anything I have will be gotten into, twisted into a bad light, and shared with literally anyone. So yeah. Trust is freakin hard
not being able to be honest, having to distance yourself, yelling at you as communicating
Modeling poor coping mechanisms and then being surprised and angry that the kids mirror their poor coping mechanisms. Expecting their kids to know how to do something that they never taught them. Discouraging/shaming a child for being themselves
Having punishments not fit the offence, if I forgot to do the dishes having my phone taken away is not a valid punishment
The first time I saw Matilda, I couldn't believe that actual things I used to get punished for were used here as hyperbole. Yes, I got grounded once at 14-15 because I was doing my homework, and Step2 decided I was "a snob" and should "come watch TV with the rest of the family for a change." I thought he was joking and started to nervously giggle and asked "You... want me to go to school tomorrow and tell my algebra teacher I didn't do my homework because I had to watch TV with the family?" which meant I got another smack in the face and screamed at about what a backtalking little b***h I was.
I disagree with the example, but the original point holds. I did the dishes, but it wasn't to my father's impossible standards, so he tore into me for 90 minutes (the clock was behind him, so I know how long it took) with the same ferocity as if I had confessed to killing someone.
We had a pillow fight and I hit my sister really hard. She told my dad, who said that you get what you give, then slapped me.
Infantilizing your kid. After a point it’s insulting and degrades their sense of autonomy. Even worse when they become an adult LOL
My cousin had her son when she was 17. She was a single mom, but had all the help in the world from our family. Her son is now 28 and she still treats him like he's a little kid. Her job relocated her to another state and it's done wonders for him. She was always in his business and a total helicopter parent.
Farming your children off to a long line of au pairs and other substandard help, all of whom get sent away and replaced so the children don't form a steady bond with anyone. If you're going to have someone help raise your child, make sure it's someone consistent and decently skilled that you can keep around in the long term. On that note, failing to treat the people raising your children with respect.
Giving up on your kid. If they're experiencing hard times like failing in school, or engaging in unsafe sexual activity and you just don't even try to help them at all. You just go oh well guess they want to fail.
Putting thier love life 1st. Whatever new bf comes along you better hope they like you/kids or you'll just be sitting in your room till the next one comes along
Still astounded at the sheer # of women who have kids just so they can continue to be permiscuous .... which is fine when you're childless but when you have kids you can't just be having/prioritizing whatever hot piece of sausage you want, especially when there's a chance they won't get along with your kids. How are people so incredibly selfish?
Saying NO to everything and not letting the kid have individuality. If the kid has anxiety issues and wants to learn a skill that is taught outside of school - don't just ask them to find out information about it. Help them by asking if they want your help by going along with them to find that said information. Edit: adding to this. F**k all reward based mentality - like don't put unnecessary pressure on your kid by bribing them with some sort of reward if they get good grades or if they hit a home run in a game. F**k your mentality!
I have a hard time going to school and we have a reward system for me going to school. 4 weeks/ month = magazine and a whole term is going out for lunch. It does help me going to school consistently
That's a different thing. It's helping you to grow a bit. Definitely certain cases are good. Cause in the future you can set yourself something like that maybe for work. Get X done, take a 5 minute break. It's definitely situational
Load More Replies...I'm don't think I agree with this point about reward-based things. Shouldn't people get awards for putting in hard work, doing well, etc? Otherwise children can learn that hard work never gets anything and so they don't even try, and that's pretty bad too. Unnecessary pressure is an issue, certainly, but that isn't the same thing as rewarding effort (and I do think effort, not achievement, is the real thing worth rewarding).
Ruin your reputation around people to get their attention and sympathy
My parents are old and old fashioned and maybe this is part of it. But they pretend to care about my mental health and then they do stuff that destroys it. I have no coping skills. I dont know how to handle my emotions. Because of this I completely failed my first year of college. My dad is all, suck it up and go on with life.
Holding you back because they’re too scared for you to not need them bc they “love” you
A young obese child
Really? Ignoring issues like hyperthyroidism? Yes, a child becoming obese due to negligent or abusive parenting is possible, but not every case of obesity.
No, just the vast majority of them . Also, it's hypOthyroidism that makes you fat. HypERtyroidism will make you too thin.
Load More Replies...I wasn't fat as a child, yet my family and everyone in school said I was. I was told I was huge, a monster, ugly, and a b!tch. By *everyone*. I look back at photos and have shared them with others and they're shocked that I was told I was fat or ugly. Go figure.
Many reasons for that other than overeating. My friend's daughter is overweight but eats really healthy food. She's got thyroid issues.
I had psoriasis diagnosed at age of 5. 37 years ago steroids were pushed like candies, so yeah, I was always hungry, learned to eat away physical and emotional pain caused by my medical condition... I was maybe not obese, but always "big". That didn't help me much in school, also, being constantly called fat by stupid kids. I hate you truly, all people who think fat people need a constant reminder, that they are fat, therefore worse than you, happy slim people. You were those school bullies, frantically yelling "fat, fat, FATTY FAT!!!", now you pretend you are "just caring" about our health" and still bullying us, but now you know words like "obese" to pretend you are smarter than 30 years ago. Stop poking your nose in someone's plate and grow up.
And me being "fat" kid had nothing to do with my parents bad parenting - I would not refuse food to a child who cries out of hunger. Yes, that was me. No, no candies for me, we didn't even had idea what "fast food" was in my country 40 years ago, but Polish cuisine is not exactly "carrots and salads" either.
Load More Replies...When your child has C-PTSD, and both of you are a major part of that for many reasons.
"Complex". Ptsd is based on a single event, and Cptsd is based on repeated events, like abusive childhood scenarios.
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That's literally illegal (child abuse). Most parents are afraid to do that because a malnurished child can land them with actual legal troubles. Then again, most parents seem to hold some serious disdain for their own kids so I think a percentage of them consider mild starvation as "worth the risk to have such complete power over another human." Must feel really good tbh if you're a sociopath but decided to have kids anyways.
Saying "I know" without knowing anything about the topic at all
I admit I do this while driving, but I'm trying to focus and being told every single detail is a bit distracting. Saying this as a learning driver. But in most cases yes, this
Friend of mine once had a coworker (middle-aged female mom) whose daughter was studying to be a nurse. Mom routinely *did the daughter's homework for her*. I feel for whomever was subjected to daughter's care.
No worries. If she doesn't do the studying and learning herself she won't be able to pass the NCLEX end become an actual nurse
authoritarian need for control over their children. Belittling and nasty psychological warfare that gets personal for no reason. "I'm your parent not your friend" mentality.
It is a delicate balance though. Sometimes as a parent you just have to step up and straight up tell your child what to do. They don't have your experiences, so if they are given the option of always doing everything as the want, they are bound to hurt or even kill themselves, or make some really poor decitions that they will have to pay a high price for later in life (skipping school, teenage pregnancies etc.) due to a lack of knowledge about how the world works. The "I am my child's best friend"-attitude can also be really bad, as the kind relationship between equal people you have with friends is very different from assymmetric relationship between a grown up and a child. Of course you should listen to your child, and let their opinion weigh in on the decitions, but if they want ice cream and pancakes for dinner everyday, it might be the right time to be the adult and not the friend.
And those: "See, mummy always knows better!" this couple of times where you were wrong, but she was right. What is the point of doing anything on your own and failing, when "mummy knows better!"? Just doing what mummy says seem smart thing to do, why bother and trouble yourself with anything more...? And then you fail to be adult, because it turns out mummy does not exactly ALWAYS knows better EVERYTHING...
Letting your children get away with certain behavior without any reprisal or discipline, and then suddenly going total apes**t one time for them doing what they’ve always thought was okay to do.
Saying you’re making stuff up and that you’re crazy when you point out the most of the mistakes/abuse the parent(s) caused. Bonus points if they say they’re “nauseous,” and have to walk away when you’re finally proving them wrong. Double bonus points if they make a p**s poor acting job of puking.
The first time I stood up to my parents because they get angry when I cry or get angry was only a few weeks ago. My mom said “Why are you SO UPSET??!!” So I finally snapped and said “Because you guys always get angry at me for it!” The first thing my mom said; “Don’t you DARE turn this on US! Stop it or I’ll ban you from the computer for the REST OF THE SUMMER!”
Idk if other parents do this but my mom does and it sounds toxic asf (here's some backstory) apparently when me and my siblings were like real little kids we went to visit family in Alabama. There was some woman there, let's call her J. Apparently she was like a married-in sibling to my dad or some s**t, and her mom (my grandma) would talk about her to my dad in front of my mom (stuff like "she's a real pretty girl".) Apparently this made my mom mad and it caused a lot of family drama (like they were considering divorce.) Now sometimes when my mom gets mad at me and my siblings she'll say "I bet you wish you lived with J, you think she'd be a better mom than me." Thing is I don't even remember the woman. I haven't seen her since I was like 4 and I'm almost 15 now. Idk man it sounds toxic to me
I *had* (past tense for many, many reasons) a friend and he and his then girlfriend/now wife were toxic as f**k with her kids (and I assume the one they have together now, too). Anytime the kids did anything they didn't like, it was *immediately* yelling, belittling, threatening, or hitting. There was no in between, and it didn't matter how minor the "infraction" was. I once overheard my former friend ranting at one of his step daughters for a solid 10 minutes because she left a glass of water half finished on the table. The girl said she was going to get something out of the other room and was coming back, but he just turned that into "well you're always leaving s**t all over the house so how the f**k could I know that?!". She yelled back and that's when he started threatening to whoop her with a belt and take away her things for "disrespecting" him. Step daughter was like 11 by the way. He was 33 and had only been with their mom for like 2 years at the time. Their mom is no better, I'd overheard her doing plenty of the same. Those kids got a s**t set of parents.
I’m not surprised he yelled at her for 10 minutes. My sister once put a mixer she used to make muffins or cupcakes straight into the dishwasher and my mom yelled at her for 13 minutes and 47 seconds or so. That’s AFTER I started recording! Toxic parents yell at their kids for a long time no matter how small the problem is.
Good thing she decided to have unprotected sex on purpose to bring a kid into the world for the sweet sweet tax breaks she should legally be obligated to return when her kids turns into an adult.
Constantly passing your kids off to family members you know hate them because you can't be bothered (thanks, sperm-donor).
My mom decided to move half way across the country for a pipe dream job she was fired from after less than a month. It came with housing and utilities. It was a nice effort, but not cutting your losses and moving back to the much less expensive state (WV to FL.) was just such s**t. Not to mention that after moving around so much during my life because of my dad being in the military, we had finally settled down in WV. I had friends and I was very close to having my first girlfriend. (We both liked each other and we’re friends.) But no. We stayed in FL for 2 years barely scraping by while my sister slaved away with two jobs while my mom chased more pipe dream jobs that never worked out. We eventually cut it quits and moved back to WV and into my sister’s fiancé’s house. Still in WV and my life is going good again.
punishing kids for getting bad grades even if they tried their best... seen it happen to a lot of people
Freshman year, I had a total of 2 and a half weeks where I wasn't grounded bcuz of bad grades. I was heavily suicidal all throughout the school year and experiencing full blown drug addiction. And asked to get help multiple times
Load More Replies...talk about toxic : not aknowledging badparents exist like people who DO NOT care about being good parents : evil people they do exist! the tagline to this article says "Even if parents want what's best for their kids, they can do more harm than good without realizing that" refusing to aknowledge some people DO NOT want the best for their kids!! speaking of experience; and they always forgive the adult by "he doesn't know any better" etc... (just that and they always assume by default the adult is well meaning and it is impossible a parent would hurt/not-care/not-love speaking of experience but again I remember a boredpanda article from months ago about Brittney Spears' father exploiting her drugging her committing her 😡😡 TELL ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!!!😡😡😡
There are always exceptions but easily ninety percent of parents are doing the best they can for their child. As a shrink it's really hard not to recognize these endless cycles of trauma and abuse because the parents experienced the same thing and genuinely don't know any better. Yes, they should have been smart enough and strong enough to end that cycle but that's a much bigger ask than we realize with all the trauma in the world. The only thing we can do is do our best heal that trauma and save the next generation from the same pain or at the very least make it a little easier than they had it. Every parent should strive to do better than their parents but for many people that's an incredibly low bar. P.S. I hope you're ok :)
Load More Replies...I would say not giving your kids boundaries and not saying no to them. A friend of my SIL was doing this and now when she says no to her daughter, the little girl has a massive tantrum every time. Doesn’t matter if they are at home or in public. Also ignoring the signs that your child has autism, adhd etc and fobbing it off as the kid just expressing themselves. I know a couple who are only now dealing with their child’s autism after ignoring for years as they were focused on their jobs/ denying their child has challenges they need help with.
Regarding autism, something I've seen and heard of is parents saying "that's not autistic, that's normal" but it's only normal for the parent, not anyone else. In other words, the parent has autism / similar behaviours and genuinely doesn't realise their child is doing anything unusual. On its own, not too bad. The problem really arises when their attitude is reversed back at them when they're told "that isn't normal, it's autistic" and not realising that they should probably get therapy themselves.
Load More Replies...For those of us that understood or related to these as I did - you're here. You have been reading, learning and you know that what was done to you was wrong. That's the first step and it's a haaaarrrrd one. It takes most folks until they're 30-40 years old before they realize they were abused! You are a survivor. You will overcome. It will be hard work, you might always hear the voices of your past, but someday they get a little less. Maybe not gone, but less.
Agree, hard. Most of us will need some therapy to get through, and to sort our experiences and make sense of them. One exercise that made all the difference to me was that I "re-raised" myself. I went back through my entire childhood in my mind, and for every single time I was hurt, failed, left behind, lost, forgotten, I took that version of me someplace she was loved, celebrated, and could have fun. The zoo, when my mom forgot me, and the start of so many of my abandonment issues when I was 3? I took my inner child back to the zoo, and made sure she knew I was there and watching and I'd never forget her. I gave myself make-up birthday parties and celebratory dinners. I bought myself toys and books I'd never had. I told my childhood self constantly the things she never heard, or heard in weaponized versions: she was smart, special, interesting, good. I gave her hugs. And yes, I mentally went through old abuses, and put adult-me in there, protecting child-me. It helped heal a lot.
Load More Replies...My coworker used to sit here and just tell me how terrible her daughter was. Like daily. The tantrums she'd have, how bad she was at school, nothing this girl did was ever good enough. One day she showed me a video she took as an example of her daughter's behavior, what I saw was her and her sister taunting this poor girl in to a tantrum. Just egging her on. I'd scream too if I were her daughter.
Are you in a position to say anything? That poor, poor kid. Even just a version of your last sentence, "I'd scream, too, if I was being tormented by my mom and aunt that way"? "Why do you think that's okay?" "What would you have her do instead?" I mean, I know it's not your responsibility, but I just know even ONE PERSON saying "That's not right" during my childhood would've made a huge difference.
Load More Replies...For anyone who is just starting to realize that some of these things apply to you, I recommend the book by Beverly Engel, "It wasn't your fault". Definitely not a substitute for therapy, but I think it's a good starting point. I read it years ago and it helped me understand many of the things I was feeling. Word of caution if you live with your parents, don't leave such a book lying around, if they're toxic they will use it against you for sure.(Not sure if book recommendations are Ok on BP, if not please let me know and I'll delete my comment)
Turning your back on your child because he/she comes out as part of the LGBTQ+ community.
Okay, whoever downvoted that? You are a horrible person. You are as horrible as parents who turn their backs on their kids when they come out. Lucky for you, many of them end up in my classrooms. So parents (esp Conservative Christian parents) out there, when you fail your kids repeatedly, destroy their souls, and make them feel like they aren't worthy of existing because they happen to be queer/depressed/agnostic/different, that's when they come talk to me. I will make sure they are loved, protected, and accepted. (THIS is one of the main reasons why these shitbags are so freaked out about college and professors. We aren't "brainwashing" your kids, you vacuous assholes. We're often preventing them from killing themselves because of your abuse.)
Load More Replies...Hi, fellow survivors and adventurers. Some of you are still in it. One possible option = your college professors. While in HS and lower grades, teachers are legally obligated to communicate with your parents. Not so in college! Legally, we cannot disclose *anything* about you to your parents. This means that if you need help, most of us will be available to you and have a variety of resources. Many of us struggle with the same things, too, from anxiety to panic to gender issues to money issues for school. So if you are experiencing abuse, or THINK you might be, seek one of us out. Come to our office hours. If we can -- and it does depend on the school's rules -- we will do everything we can to keep you safe. This includes code words during online classes if your parents interrupt, or help finding funding so you can move out. You matter to us.
All of these horrifying posts just make me believe even more that parenting should be an EARNED privilege, not a right.
I have one to add to this list... "I'm ashamed of you" and "don't embarrass me when we go over there"... the embarrassment would be me acting normal as I always was... 40 years later and the scar is only now beginning the heal because I refuse to see my father any longer.
punishing kids for getting bad grades even if they tried their best... seen it happen to a lot of people
Freshman year, I had a total of 2 and a half weeks where I wasn't grounded bcuz of bad grades. I was heavily suicidal all throughout the school year and experiencing full blown drug addiction. And asked to get help multiple times
Load More Replies...talk about toxic : not aknowledging badparents exist like people who DO NOT care about being good parents : evil people they do exist! the tagline to this article says "Even if parents want what's best for their kids, they can do more harm than good without realizing that" refusing to aknowledge some people DO NOT want the best for their kids!! speaking of experience; and they always forgive the adult by "he doesn't know any better" etc... (just that and they always assume by default the adult is well meaning and it is impossible a parent would hurt/not-care/not-love speaking of experience but again I remember a boredpanda article from months ago about Brittney Spears' father exploiting her drugging her committing her 😡😡 TELL ME HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!!!😡😡😡
There are always exceptions but easily ninety percent of parents are doing the best they can for their child. As a shrink it's really hard not to recognize these endless cycles of trauma and abuse because the parents experienced the same thing and genuinely don't know any better. Yes, they should have been smart enough and strong enough to end that cycle but that's a much bigger ask than we realize with all the trauma in the world. The only thing we can do is do our best heal that trauma and save the next generation from the same pain or at the very least make it a little easier than they had it. Every parent should strive to do better than their parents but for many people that's an incredibly low bar. P.S. I hope you're ok :)
Load More Replies...I would say not giving your kids boundaries and not saying no to them. A friend of my SIL was doing this and now when she says no to her daughter, the little girl has a massive tantrum every time. Doesn’t matter if they are at home or in public. Also ignoring the signs that your child has autism, adhd etc and fobbing it off as the kid just expressing themselves. I know a couple who are only now dealing with their child’s autism after ignoring for years as they were focused on their jobs/ denying their child has challenges they need help with.
Regarding autism, something I've seen and heard of is parents saying "that's not autistic, that's normal" but it's only normal for the parent, not anyone else. In other words, the parent has autism / similar behaviours and genuinely doesn't realise their child is doing anything unusual. On its own, not too bad. The problem really arises when their attitude is reversed back at them when they're told "that isn't normal, it's autistic" and not realising that they should probably get therapy themselves.
Load More Replies...For those of us that understood or related to these as I did - you're here. You have been reading, learning and you know that what was done to you was wrong. That's the first step and it's a haaaarrrrd one. It takes most folks until they're 30-40 years old before they realize they were abused! You are a survivor. You will overcome. It will be hard work, you might always hear the voices of your past, but someday they get a little less. Maybe not gone, but less.
Agree, hard. Most of us will need some therapy to get through, and to sort our experiences and make sense of them. One exercise that made all the difference to me was that I "re-raised" myself. I went back through my entire childhood in my mind, and for every single time I was hurt, failed, left behind, lost, forgotten, I took that version of me someplace she was loved, celebrated, and could have fun. The zoo, when my mom forgot me, and the start of so many of my abandonment issues when I was 3? I took my inner child back to the zoo, and made sure she knew I was there and watching and I'd never forget her. I gave myself make-up birthday parties and celebratory dinners. I bought myself toys and books I'd never had. I told my childhood self constantly the things she never heard, or heard in weaponized versions: she was smart, special, interesting, good. I gave her hugs. And yes, I mentally went through old abuses, and put adult-me in there, protecting child-me. It helped heal a lot.
Load More Replies...My coworker used to sit here and just tell me how terrible her daughter was. Like daily. The tantrums she'd have, how bad she was at school, nothing this girl did was ever good enough. One day she showed me a video she took as an example of her daughter's behavior, what I saw was her and her sister taunting this poor girl in to a tantrum. Just egging her on. I'd scream too if I were her daughter.
Are you in a position to say anything? That poor, poor kid. Even just a version of your last sentence, "I'd scream, too, if I was being tormented by my mom and aunt that way"? "Why do you think that's okay?" "What would you have her do instead?" I mean, I know it's not your responsibility, but I just know even ONE PERSON saying "That's not right" during my childhood would've made a huge difference.
Load More Replies...For anyone who is just starting to realize that some of these things apply to you, I recommend the book by Beverly Engel, "It wasn't your fault". Definitely not a substitute for therapy, but I think it's a good starting point. I read it years ago and it helped me understand many of the things I was feeling. Word of caution if you live with your parents, don't leave such a book lying around, if they're toxic they will use it against you for sure.(Not sure if book recommendations are Ok on BP, if not please let me know and I'll delete my comment)
Turning your back on your child because he/she comes out as part of the LGBTQ+ community.
Okay, whoever downvoted that? You are a horrible person. You are as horrible as parents who turn their backs on their kids when they come out. Lucky for you, many of them end up in my classrooms. So parents (esp Conservative Christian parents) out there, when you fail your kids repeatedly, destroy their souls, and make them feel like they aren't worthy of existing because they happen to be queer/depressed/agnostic/different, that's when they come talk to me. I will make sure they are loved, protected, and accepted. (THIS is one of the main reasons why these shitbags are so freaked out about college and professors. We aren't "brainwashing" your kids, you vacuous assholes. We're often preventing them from killing themselves because of your abuse.)
Load More Replies...Hi, fellow survivors and adventurers. Some of you are still in it. One possible option = your college professors. While in HS and lower grades, teachers are legally obligated to communicate with your parents. Not so in college! Legally, we cannot disclose *anything* about you to your parents. This means that if you need help, most of us will be available to you and have a variety of resources. Many of us struggle with the same things, too, from anxiety to panic to gender issues to money issues for school. So if you are experiencing abuse, or THINK you might be, seek one of us out. Come to our office hours. If we can -- and it does depend on the school's rules -- we will do everything we can to keep you safe. This includes code words during online classes if your parents interrupt, or help finding funding so you can move out. You matter to us.
All of these horrifying posts just make me believe even more that parenting should be an EARNED privilege, not a right.
I have one to add to this list... "I'm ashamed of you" and "don't embarrass me when we go over there"... the embarrassment would be me acting normal as I always was... 40 years later and the scar is only now beginning the heal because I refuse to see my father any longer.

