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Everyone is entitled to having their own beliefs. Some people keep them to themselves. Some like to blare them out every chance they get. And others have views so unconventional, they completely go against the status quo.

When not every opinion is greeted with open arms, we’re lucky to have the internet where we can spark a discussion with complete strangers. There’s an Instagram account dedicated to sharing some of the best posts from the popular subreddit called Unpopular opinion. From electric vehicles to stuffed animals, members of this community have something to say about virtually any aspect of life.

So get ready to dive into some of the best posts this account had to offer. Upvote the ones you agree with, and, if you want to stir some emotions, share your own disputable views in the comments below. Psst! After you’re done, be sure to check out Part 1 of this post right here.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree, too many times people feel entitled due to their age. You don't owe anyone anything. Congrats on the souvenir and the story you will be able to tell your friends and family.

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Sometimes, we're discouraged from expressing our unpopular opinions because of the adverse reactions we might get from the people around us. Whether we’re talking about politics, religion, or popular culture, sharing our deepest beliefs can make someone feel pretty irritated. 

However, while some end up scratching their heads from confusion, others see a like-minded person and gladly show their support in heated discussions. After all, a controversial point of view does not instantly mean that it’s uncommon. When you push your fears of being the odd one to the side, it’s much likely you'll encounter others sharing the same thoughts as you. 

Brandwatch, a digital consumer intelligence company, was on a mission to investigate the most popular unpopular opinions on social media. They looked at consumers’ mentions from January 1 to June 30, 2020, excluding news, retweets, and shares. Results showed that 1.6M people shared their controversial beliefs in this period. Also, there were 34% more mentions during the lockdown compared to the four months prior. 

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Greed and narcissism... it's sad, but it's human nature. The majority of the people out there are fake as heck, and will do things like posting videos of themselves crying on the internet as PR moves, to help promote and enhance their brands, to help them gain those clicks, likes, follows, and subscribes. Even more sad is that there ARE the odd few out there who honestly have no one and no where else to turn to, and are using the internet to reach out. But those odd genuine few are usually buried and overshadowed by all the loud popular influencers out there, with their TikToks and viral videos and their memes.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Harassment is the right word. What happened to Diana and other famous people with the paparazzi actually haunting them, spying and giving no Fu*ks. But here's a thought: Who the hell buys those rag mag's is an accomplice bc if they stop buying that filth then the paparazzi will (nearly) go away or at least be way less.

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Do Your Parents Use This Argument ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speaking as someone who was out on their ass at 18... basic parenting, including food, clothing, and sleeping indoors.... isn't nothing. Not when you consider what it's like to do without any of those.

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When it comes to the topics people touch on, the top ones were about characters in pop culture, TV shows, dislike of fandoms, and books. People shared their complaints about some of the bestsellers of the century and aired their grievances about how some shows have become outdated. For example, 34K mentions called out Friends "for being hugely popular, despite some aspects not being acceptable today." 

The researchers also looked into Reddit, where 958K users shared their gripes. "It seems like lockdown got to Reddit users, too. Posts to r/UnpopularOpinions increased 105%." They found that many of these mentions touched on things that happened on the platform itself. Most of them were focused on sports players, subreddits, and seeing change as not being good. 

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Death Penalty Isnt A Good Punishment. Its An Easy Way Out And You Cant Prove Anybody 100% Guilty
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why censor the word murder, not like we all can't figure out what it says, strange BP.

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What Are Your Thoughts On Male Birth Control ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I read a quote before, wouldn't it be safer to fire blanks at someone than fire bullets at someone with a bullet proof vest

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So while it can be fun to share your controversial views online, they also let others say opposing views, have heated discussions, and see things from different perspectives. Anna Akbari, P.hD., is a sociologist, writer, and speaker who shared her thoughts on why unpopularity isn’t necessarily a bad thing in a piece on The Psychology Today

She explained that if we want to be happy, successful, and feel of service, we don’t actually need to appeal to the masses. "See, we’re complicated beings, each with our own unique experiences, full of biases and contradictions and, hopefully, a point of view," she wrote. "Having a point of view is a good thing, even when that view isn’t universally embraced."

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Has Someone Ever Pushed Your Face Into A Birthday Cake ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've discovered this trend on the Internet and honestly, I absolutely do not understand it

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You ruined it with "sure they're cute" because that's the whole point, they're NOT cute, people have just been trained into thinking they are. People need to realise that inbred dogs with serious health problems are the exact opposite of cute.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

100% - the cheater is the one at fault - unless the people they cheated with is also someone who you have a relationship with then it's equal blame as they both owe you loyalty. I've never understood the blame being passed to the person they cheat with, and it's usually women who blame the other woman when their guy cheats - I sure there's a patriarchal link to all that that could be deciphered but seriously, they're just a shitty person if they knew he was involved with someone - if they didn't then they're just as much a victim in it all. This idea that men can't help themselves if offered sex has to stop - you don't accidentally have sex - yeah, you may regret it after but you totally know what you're doing while you're doing it.

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While we can wholeheartedly stand by one issue, we can also not see eye to eye on another. "Agreeing to disagree on most things in life is fine—assuming it doesn’t restrict the liberty or human rights of others. It’s when we start to think that we need to agree on everything all the time to merely function together that we get into trouble," Akbari mentioned. 

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Needless to say, popularity isn’t essentially bad. Lots of things that are commonly and generally accepted by our society are considered as "safe". Akbari explained that we don’t have to immediately or categorically reject the popular stuff but rather "selectively embrace it, or at least occasionally challenge it."

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Do You Think Free Therapy Is A Good Idea ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, it really should be free. I have been in therapy on and off for years and it has been free (/paid by taxes). It's due to mental health issues so free healthcare = free mental healthcare. I learned a lot and cope much better. I wish it was available to all who needs it. To hear that people live with anxiety, ptsd, depression etc and can't afford therapy to learn how to cope better is really, REALLY sad.

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That Annoys Me Too!

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't use those sites anymore. If you want me to subscribe, or permit adverts in my ad blocker, or click a cookie thing every time, I just bounce. Enjoy your bouncerate and zero ad revenue. ALSO. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD stop with the f*****g animated adverts. They drive my poor ADHD ass crazy. I can't stand it.

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However, if your views are not clinging to the mainstream popular or if they tend to stir some unexpected or even rude reactions, "don't despair. You don’t need to bend toward conformity, and you may even be able to cash in—financially and socially—on stepping outside the conventional bounds."

She mentioned two rules that people who tend to lean into unpopularity should remember. The first one is that you should actually believe what you’re saying or doing. "Disagreeing for the sport of it is annoying and, rightfully, no one likes or respects you if you do that. So stop it," the sociologist advised. 

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In many cases I would agree but in many I would not. For example If an employee of mine turned out to be a KKK member, or they were videoed ridiculing a disabled person I would fire them without hesitation.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who breaks up spaghetti before boiling them - I agree. Now give me those judgemental looks :P

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Are Your Going To College ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree completely. The world will always need woodworkers, metal workers, plumbers, electricians etc, not young people with huge financial debt and very little practical skills.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Retired teacher here, so let me weigh in on the realities. For elementary school kids, I'd overwhelmingly vote yes. Younger kids want to please the teacher; they want to be around the teacher, around other kids, in class. HOWEVER, as someone who taught middle and high school for 26 years, this does not work at all. By that time, there are a lot of kids who are looking for any way to leave the classroom. Yes, there are times they need to use the bathroom, but quite often they also want to socialize. There have been groups in certain years (not all by any means) that texted and met up in bathrooms and fought, too. It helps if a teacher has a sign in/out pass, or gives a certain number of tickets per month. Other children who don't have to use the bathroom COULD give a classmate a ticket if they felt generous.

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"The second rule is to embrace your unpopular opinions with the knowledge and grace that not everyone shares your point of view," she continued. This rule can be quite tough since we humans have a general tendency to want others to agree with us. After all, it makes us feel heard and valued. 

However, following this guideline "starts with a promise to both give up convincing other people to buy into your less popular opinions and to stop shaming them for their own thoughts and actions." 

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Is There A Labour Shortage Where You Live ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My previous boss (who was an absolute jerk!) used to say "there's a line of people waiting to take your place, if you quit." I did quite eventually. Seven years later and... my place is still unoccupied. And not just mine - two other people also quit from that office, and replacements could never be found. Or someone would start and then quit a month later due to the conditions. I guess the line of people for my spot turned out to be a bit too short ;)

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or, stop suing everyone for making mistakes. Yes there are serious negligence cases, but they're a lot less common than the cases where "negligence" is claimed, but it's just an honest mistake. Americans really need to stop that s**t.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have to get rid of the phrase "unskilled labour". A janitor needs practical skills far above average (at least a good one does), and the working conditions of courier drivers or fastfood workers require a great deal of stamina and resilience. In any job you can go from beginner to master, working your job better or faster. Even more important, the economy absolutely depends on the jobs we tend to call "unskilled". Usually, in any company, if a middle manager is absent for some days, work continues more or less as usual. If the cleaning lady is absent, you notice the problems after a day or two the latest.

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Do You Like Cats ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love my cats and would do anything for them, but they ARE little assholes.

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After that, it’s all about trusting yourself. If you believe that some things are just not right, don’t be shy and share your views with others because, chances are, there are people out there just like you. According to Akbari, there is value in dissent. "There’s often truth at the fringes and insight in unpopular perspectives. Greatness comes neither from blindly following nor from knee-jerk rejecting."

"Many of our greatest historical figures held really, really unpopular opinions. They did stuff that made people cringe or even retaliate against them. Going against the grain takes guts. And that courage is admirable, even if we disagree with what they’re saying or doing—but only when executed with integrity from a place of personal honesty," she wrote.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you don't trust your partner, then you don't trust your own choice of partner.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We switched my kid to a Montessori school because they got to 6th grade and there was no AP option so they were just sitting there bored. It costs a good bit, but I have no reason to think public schools will be better for my kid than they were for me.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For those without the funds for sending your kid(s) to Montessori or without the schools in their region there are a few free online and sometimes in person (at local community colleges/ state colleges) courses geared towards advanced students.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Speaking as an American who survived the public school system I can't help but think this is the least of our problems with our current education system. I'm sure it's a problem and it does need to be addressed but I feel like far more children are currently being "left behind" than "held back." Maybe we could start with making sure all public schools are funded equally rather then them being largely dependent on property taxes? It's a travesty that the richer the neighborhood is the more well funded it's school is whereas kids in poor neighborhoods are having to share beat-up text books and obsolete computers.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So much this! There's FAR more kids who struggle with school than there are kids who need advanced courses. There's also a lot of parents who are convinced that their kids are advanced, too. Thing is - we don't even have enough teachers for the on-average kids. If the world was perfect, we'd have enough teachers to have small classes of maybe 15 kids and give all of them due attention and help them along. As it is, we have an average class-size of 28 kids for ONE teacher. And I'm not even American- the problems are pretty much universal.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem with the no child left behind initiative is that children are advancing grades they're not prepared for. I went to college with a guy that graduated high school even though he literally didn't know how to read! Our schools no longer believe a child should fail a grade and be held back so they advance them when they shouldn't.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is less that the schools don't believe that a child should fail a grade as the PARENTS don't believe that their child should be held back and have fits when it happens. And the schools then cater to teh screaming parents.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol they don't help struggling kids. No child left behind just changes the expectations for the child so they graduate with nothing. It's easier than actually helping. Firsthand experience.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So full of s**t lol I was in school durring No Child Left Behind lol. I had math teacher beging my mother to have me tested for AP classes but said I was a special child on the answer machien so my parents got pissed think she wanted to test me for special ed classes. I was lazy s**t who slept in math still got A+ on every test and quize did the math to sort out excatly how many homwork assignements I had to do to get a C with all As on the tests, slept rest time in math. She tried wanted me to take a test for AP college credit classes in high school but home life was so s**t I just went with the "math teacher thinks I am stupid" band wagon because doing homework in same room as drunk abusive father was not happening. Firsthand experince there was and still is tons of options for smart kids you parents sign you up for tests to prove your smart. I slightly regret never taking those college AP classes in highschool, but at same time abusive child hood I wouldn't passed

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The worst is when you're not falling behind enough for teachers to be sympathetic, but not doing super well either. Then the teachers just think you're a rebellious slacker, even when you're trying SO incredibly hard

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My teacher consulted my parents about moving me ahead as everything was too easy for me, this was in like primary 5 or 6 - but we decided against it - for many reasons, but mainly so I wasn't the odd one out in the class, didn't leave the few friends I had behind and constantly be out of sync with my "peers". Maybe if it were in high school it would've been different but at that young age (about 10/11) it wasn't the right choice

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The UK used to grade children, put the differing levels of IQ in different classes, but that was banned as discriminatory. Now every child is educated at the same level, so the everyone is taught at the middling level, where many are not really catered for.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Then they wonder why the kids who are unchallenged and bored find ways to amuse themselves or over-challenged and frustrated kids lash out - and brand them all as 'problem kids.'

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! This! In seventh grade I was at a ninth or tenth grade level and had 96-100% in every class and was bored out of my mind.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Retired teacher here, and gifted student: SO MUCH THIS. I always provided my own stimulation, usually books or a very small craft item. Fortunately went to school in a very small, rural school district for most of my life, where most people in my family were teachers, so everyone knew me. They also knew I was quick, did the work and did it right, and wasn't disruptive, just wanted to be left/let alone to do my own thing. Only in college did I actually need to learn how to study. K-12 was mostly boring.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My 3rd grade is amazing at math and for years has done math at home for fun, or sits and plays with a calculator for hours. (AsD and obsessed with numbers. ) He is struggling in math right now because he is so bored with it. And he struggles to understand how to "show his work" there is none for him to show, he did it in his head. The school doesn't seem to notice how smart he is with math. I just found out he has been in whatever they call gifted and talented these days for ELA all year and no on bothered to tell me.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This I don't agree with. I and others I have seen have been 'bumped up' because we were ahead of everyone else, only to find that we didn't get the more advanced stuff because the knowledge we needed was back in the classes we were 'bumped over'. Important subjects can suddenly have big holes that are required to progress, and the student suddenly feels like they are in over their head and will effectively shut down out of panic

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's called advanced placement. Most schools have those classes.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree. There was a class at school I really enjoyed and was quite good at, but it was full of disruptive kids. I got so frustrated that I never learned anything, the whole class consisted of the teacher telling kids off. All I wanted to do was learn.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have loved that when I was in school. I spent most of my high school days bored because I was not challenged.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I never really learned to study in school because everything was easy. Bring on computer based learning so that everyone can go at the right pace for them.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In my state, there is no acceleration until middle school, and even then, only by one year in only math, so I was doing 8th grade math as a 7th grader at school, and 9th and 10th grade math at home.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We HAVE to push this message. Schools should be about equality, not equity. Make everyone equal at the starting line, not at the finish line. Help ALL students succeed. Identity politics must end!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I totally agree with this. Where I go to school there is no recognition for academic and character excellence. My school has repeatedly failed to award those who work hard to be the "smart kid". They focus more on athletics and those who work just to stay afloat. Being the "smart kid" is generally seen ass a bad thing and that is very sad.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Case in point - My daughters school had a HUGE celebration sports banquet. Decorations, awards, music, food, the whole nine yards. When it came to the academic banquet, it was held during school hours, stuffed into the corner of the lunch room, no food, not enough seats for the parents, lasted about 30 minutes. Athletics and being flashy are much more important than being smart.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! Think of how much more successful the smart kids could be if just as much time was spent encouraging their abilities.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We pulled my daughter out of AP studies. Their program had their heads in the clouds. They were teaching elitist BS with no real wold practical purposes. My daughter could rattle off tons of stuff about the ancient world & nothing about American or even local history. Regular classes taught that. From major court cases to civil rights to the Holocaust. Knowing the names of all of the Roman emperors has no relevance in the real world.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want this send your kid to a private school. And before you say but tuition is expensive, yes it is, but most private schools will work with you via scholarships and other programs

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Brian Stanton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No child left behind was just another classic Gop doublespeak initiative

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I get held back in school, being smart and bored, and always waiting for the rest of the class to catch up to my level, and I never got to spread my full intelligence wings. So even though I have studied astrophysics and mathematics on my own I never got a grade for it, because there simply weren't any special classes for bright kids! I get really sad sometimes thinking that I could've been a "real" astrophysicist instead of a failed one. I know almost everything "real" astrophysicists know, but I never got a degree.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a kid, by the time we started English lessons in school, I was at a B1 level. The rest of my class was at an A2 at most. I was lucky to mostly have teachers who tried to accommodate the fact that I read, wrote and spoke a lot more English than everyone else and that I was essentially twiddling my thumbs for most of the classes, but I've also had a teacher that insisted I read at the same level as everyone else (this was in my final year in high school, by which time I'd already taken a Cambridge English Exam and had a certificate to prove I was fluent (I took the CPE (proficient level C2) test)) and who failed me on tests and essays when I used words we hadn't learned about in class. (For clarification, I'm not talking vocab tests, I'm talking general tests with essay style questions). So yeah, I definitely agree there should be an option for smarter kids or kids who are ahead in general.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! The no child held behind policy is even more important in my opinion. I get that teaching little Jimmy that crayons can be used for drawing not just eating is an important lesson but Jimmy is not going to cure or create anything. We need Neil to go on and improve our lives, help that kid out. It is just as difficult for smart kids to assimilate into groups as dumb ones.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Charter schools are amazing at this! And those are usually free

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was at school it was the kids like me in the middle that got ignored. The really clever ones got pushed to advance and the not so clever ones got help to achieve, the rest of us just weren't noticed at all. At one parents evening at the end of the school year, one teacher had to ask my parents to pick me out from the class photo because he had no idea who I was.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. I got so bored by the fourth year is secondary (think it's year 10 nowadays) that I just gave up n started bunking all the time. Did not fulfill my potential. Not even a little bit.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem is too many children are not being held back. They get pushed through the system without getting an education. Holding them back until they grasp the skills they need for the world would be a better option. But you also have to change how people look at kids being held back.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

my school refused to allow me to graduate early even though I could because of this nonsense

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Helping struggling students is paid for by the state. Gifted classes are unfunded.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This was a thing when I was a kid, and I have to tell you being put into the advanced classes further alienated me from my classmates. I’m not a prodigy or hyper-intelligent, I was just performing above my grade level because school/learning was my escape from a very difficult home life. I already had trouble relating to kids my age before they pulled me out of my regular classes for part of each day. I am definitely behind teaching to a student’s level, but great care should be taken to lessen the negative social impacts. To clarify on the difficult home life, my parents were trying their best under extremely tough circumstances. They were barely making ends meet and my father was a combat vet who was not receiving treatment for PTSD. The mental care for combat veterans has come a long way since then.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes YES! -and they should be about Learning, not about dress, conformity, whose hair is too long or any other nit-picking, control-freaking, time wasting distraction. In 1970 L D was kicked out of his small (as in minded) high school because he had long hair and a beard. Today Dr. L D still has his long hair and his beard.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

American schools have been teaching to the lowest common denominator for years and years. It really shows.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yess i agree; i got top 5% GCSE results ( mostly 8's & 9's), but i have dyslexia, and my school didnt do s**t to help me because they spent all the funding on the less academically skilled kids, and didnt pay attention to the " smart kids" and i'm poor asf so i could't afford private tuition and as a result, i got slightly lower grades than what i was capable of. i even understood alevel computer science at 13, and i begged my teacher to fund a stem event for me, and she literally said no, the school has no money even though they spent at least a million pounds on e-learning platforms for struggling kids

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NCLB was a good idea... on paper... in reality all it did was clog up the system with kids who didnt care or refused to learn. MOST kids who need help needed an extra 5 minutes of explanation... which i dont think any teachers minded and it certainly didnt need to be made into law. takeing a week to cover something that maybe needed 2 days instead of 1 becauze of ONE kid... thats not how real life works...

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are programs that do this...... the gifted program and the IB program are 2 that I know very well as I participated in both...... I went to the local school and was able to graduate high school with 32 college credits (equivalent to halfway through my second year of college)........ the programs were not easy but they were more situated to the student..... a few of my friends in the same programs took additional courses and graduated hight school with the credits to start college as a 3rd year student...... research into either of the programs and you can probably find one locally, and with school choice being the norm you cann most likely go to the school that offers the programs even if it is "outside your district"........ sadly these programs are not widely advertised

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Schools need the funds to be able to help all students with their mental health! If a student's mental health is not good or they don't trust their school, they will not do well with their academics and it will almost always be more harmful to the students. Every school should want to be known for helping every child have a positive, healthy, and successful school experience! Also, the extent of testing needs to be replaced with actual hands on experiences so students are learning, not just getting through something. And homework needs to stop! Some kids dont have a home life where that is possible. Labeling that kid as bad then is extremely harmful to that child growing up!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope. Kid can be great at math, but should not advance to the next grade since they might be struggling with other classes. There’ll be enough time for specialization fast-tracks at university level, where the actual high-level knowledge is acquired.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its called AP aka Advance Placement classes, issue is no one takes time to test into it lol. I seen kids try this crap its like "wait did your teachers not bust your ass about taking the AP tests? No just my math teacher, same one you got, maybe your not as advance as you think then..." And they get all but hurt "how do you know about this stuff you sleep in class!" I get A+ on every test and sleep all day in that class might be why. Also I have real smart freidns in AP classes its way more work, and I want sleep in math so I told her no. Like no joke my teacher use to call my mother begging she have me take the test, my smartest heard my confused mother think she wanted to put me in slow class, and just let that slide never told her no it was for AP college level math lol

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Schools also need to recognize that children can be both gifted and disabled.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely! Mensa does a lot to make deciders aware of that, but I fear it never will be enough - the story of the highly intelligent guy being a social loser and never needing any help anyway is just too comfortable ... "They just swing by anyway, they don't need any help at all - if anything, THEY SHOULD help!" - often stated by the Moms of stupid classmates, who never hesitated in harassing me or other non-sports people with "weird interests", never had a single bif of compassion, never failed to make fun of ... well, us, if I may say so ... and not getting that being bored all the time will prevent you from learning to learn. Took me well after pre-Diploma to figure out how I effectively learn things ... school was easy, homework I quit in 8th grade and only deviated a limited time due to being snitched for reading from a blank sheet, and physics in 12 and 13, because I found it was interesting. Advancing one or two years was NOT open to anyone capable of.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was fortunate that my school system had advanced classes as well as classes for students who needed extra help starting in the 6th grade. Then in high school we had AP classes. Being in advanced classes made school more interesting, fun, and challenging, and I learned far more than I would have otherwise.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Teachers really do try to do that (or I did at least). One of the things you are taught very early in an education degree is 'differentiation'. This means having a main lesson with options for those who need more support and those who need more challenge. Although I don't agree with academic streaming on the whole, team teaching can allow one teacher to focus on the high achievers. If a teacher is not giving a child enough of a challenge then the child and/or the parents need to have a quick chat with that teacher.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You could have a kid held back for a year and if that's what it takes to discover that the issue may be a learning disability or disorder, or they need a different approach to learning the subject, then so be it. But only hold them back if there's an effort on catching what the issue is.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's a lot easier for an exceptional kid to move faster on his own than for a struggling kid to keep up on his own.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this was a case of the pendulum swinging too far the other way. Smarter kids WERE favored and given more of the teacher's time, less capable students were neglected and struggled, there was a push to focus the help on the kids who needed help instead of the ones who could do the work no problem, then some moron thought it would be a good idea to fund schools based on test scores, which ironically lead to less learning and more problem kids being expelled to raise the school's overall test scores.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At one point they tried to do this. But too mamy people compalined or tried totake advatage of the prrograms even when they did not qualify. Often this was government trying to make one size fit all. Centralized control does not work most of the time. This is one small example.But our education system is designed like fast food. It needs to appeal to. The masses. It needs to be duplicatable. And requirea conformity. It is assembly line education. The system was designed for the industrial revolution to produce the minimum standard needed for the types.of work at the time. This includes assembly lines and other repetitious jobs to include basic management. It teaches obedience, blind acceptance of authority based of position, etc. To produce obedient worker drones. Our needs as a society and economy have evolved beyond that stage while biologically we are still hunter-gatherers.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They do nothing for smart kids except make sure they know who the dumb kids in the class are.....

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Switched to public school for grade 11/year 12/5e jaar because of my neighborhood friends and had to take most of my core classes in the councilors office or independently because they didn’t offer classes for my education level. And the teachers were basic idiots constantly flexing their own egos. I lasted 1/2 a year before returning to private school.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We must live in very different parts of the country because this is common in the schools here, even the public schools. The above and below average kids get a lot of resources, I feel like it’s the “on target” kids that get left behind.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When we moved from a school in a rich area to one in a poor area, the difference was shocking. Both kids got the help they needed immediately without testing (one needed challenged more, one needed more help) but at their old school they would only allow so many kids into each program.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's not forget that athlete's get much more help and aid than scholarly clubs or teams.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The system used to do that. Now it doesn't, or actively fights against it. Wonder why. Cui bono?

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Christ, do you know any teachers? In the UK, anyway, we have to *include* everybody, which means making lessons both challenging and accessible. On the surface it sounds lovely, not separating children from their peers, but actually it's to accommodate the lack of specialised placements due to the government cutting back funding and trying to make up for it by requiring the teachers to do even more. Edit:And we desperately want to help the struggling kids, but with 32 in a class it is literally impossible.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've lived through an attempt at that. It doesn't work. If you want every kid to be taught at the best level for their capacity, you would need a teacher ratio of 1:4 max for average kid sand probably 1:1 for the rest. Even without that, I was offered a place at Oxford University at 14. I needed a full time chaperone to attend, which I didn't have. Point is, you let people go at an unlimited pace, and then what? What the hell do they do when they run out of school curriculum? The cost for everyone would be untenable. The end result isn't always beneficial.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely agree with this. I was bored in school and not interested, I started skipping at 11. At 14 moved to Ireland, new country, different language and culture, took me two weeks to realise I'm even more bored, started skippings. I got pushed up to leaving cert ( sat for USA) and it was easiest thing, I was bored and did all subjects on higher level. I got into college easily, and nearly dropped out in first two years because of constant indifference to boring studies. Only when I got to dissertation it got a little more interesting. I graduated at the age of 20 with a 4 year degree. Maths, biology, science subjects, computer science are all logical for me. I wasted away in school. Now when doing my masters I still feel bored, I expected more challenges. Yet I blame school for holding me back, and my parents for letting me learn too much too early. I read, played, calculated at home through play prior to school. I was shocked my classmates couldn't read or do maths, still am

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're totally misunderstanding the goal of modern education. If schools did as you suggest and, say, the average Chinese kid graduated knowing more than the average black kid, that would be racist. The goal of schools today is to hold back the more advanced students as much as possible so that everyone will be equal.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, why doesn’t somebody create something and call it, oh, I don’t know, maybe, advanced classes ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True, tho it makes me think of that saying “you’re only as fast as your slowest member”

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Student teacher here. They're emphasising it quite well on my course, that we should always provide extension as well as support

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My school has an amazing program that allows us kids to grow and develop as we need, while only going on campus 3 days a week. All of the teachers really try to help each child individually, and the aura around the school is just really nice, and feels helpful. Keep in mind that since we only go to school 3 days a week, we have a lot more homework, but on Mondays and Fridays, that's technically a school day too. It's a K-8 school, and the max amount of kids per grade that I've seen is about 2- 25 kids, and that'd in the entire grade.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They have magnet schools, advanced, IB and AP classes for that. Children in standard or remedial classes that want to succeed have the most trouble. Their teachers don't have time to teach and babysit the kids that have given up.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We call that the no child gets ahead rule. Thanks Bush. Teachers/schools get punished if any kid doesn’t keep up. So the furthest behind get the focus. Really dumb policy.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Which is why in 5th grade, we had to write our times tables 5 times a day as homework just because one idiot didn't know what 3*5 was. It was an "accelerated"(faster learning) class by the way.

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Yeah, life is so much harder for the smart kids. Maybe you should set up a charity, shoot an appeal video to explain how no-one understands their suffering

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I disagree. "Smart" kids are often spoilt rich kids who have had every advantage thrown at them. Myself included. You're aggravating the rich/poor divide.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is such an ignorant post. Socioeconomic status has nothing to do with raw intelligence. What you just said implies that those of lower status cannot be smart kids. You are part of the problem. You are only worsening the war on intelligence. By posting that not only did you show just how spoiled and out of touch you are, but you did poor people a disservice.

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Some establishments also bombarding one with promotional messages after using their service once...like damn, now you giving me a reason not to use your product again...

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I'll probably be downvoted, but this also applies to the African American label. Your distant ancestors were from Africa,you were born in the US therefore you are American. You don't hear people of Asian or African ancestrysaying they are Chinese English or Ghanian Scottish,they are English or Scottish or just plain British.

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Well this is obvious, it also applies to many of the "50 years of driving and no accidents" type people... Yes Mrs Miggins, but only because everyone has done such a good job of avoiding your ass

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I swear a lot, but it's very very rarely AT someone. I'm not doing it to offend people, it just comes out :P

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Jeans and hoodies get washed maybe once a month (or three) unless something has got on them. You don't need to smell like washing powder, and constantly washing everything is bad for you, your clothes, your bank account, and the planet. End of discussion, downvote me all you like I think you know by now I don't give a s**t.

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And accessable. Don't forget, these tech companies are potentially alienating swathes of their target market who are missing limbs, have neurological issues that preclude motion detection, etc.

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Yup. I've been a passenger while the driver just drove around and around waiting for one of the "good" spots to become available. Finally I said, "If we had just parked in one of the far spots right away, we would have been inside the store by now."

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Urgh. My ex-husband used to say that all the time especially during arguments. "No one cares" or "no one feel that way". Well, I do. You can't decide on what to care about or feel based on your feelings and use that as the only truth. Blah.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They say money doesn't buy happiness, but I think this is it...this is the happiness money can buy.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel like the human approach to "what to do with the waste/recycling of electric vehicles" will (and probably is) treated similar to the problem of what to do with nuclear waste, and unfortunately, our approach seems to be to sweep it under the rug and let future generations figure it out.

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