33 Disturbing Stories Told By Educators Exposing Alpha Gens’ Total Lack Of Basic Life Skills
Representatives of the so-called Alpha generation—that is, in fact, modern youth—have only quite recently received their generally accepted nickname and have already been honored with a whole range of opinions about themselves, with points of view ranging from enthusiastic to condescending and even sometimes dismissive.
Some people say that this is the most creative and talented generation in the entire history of observations, while others are rather horrified that they simply dramatically lack the most ordinary and necessary knowledge and skills. So our selection today is based precisely on the opinions of the second category.
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I've taught 9-12th for the last 9 years. The scariest thing for me is they can't THINK. Problem solving, trouble shooting, reasoning... there are so many kids who have little processing power, and it seems to be getting rapidly worse in the last couple of years.
I think it's Tiktok; they don't even have time to think about the bite-size piece of media they just consumed before the next one is up.
Idiocracy is closing in, 2505 like in the movie is a stretch. Perhaps year 2105.
Meh. I work with people from all generations who can’t think. Some of the smartest people I’ve worked with recently are brand new grads, not super ahead of Alpha gen. Until someone shows me data, I’m thinking this is just typical human bias/frustration.
If so many kids are severely delayed, there's something wrong that's been going on for a long time we haven't pinpointed yet. I'm talking 20+ years been happening. I've definitely noticed we're much more aware of learning disabilities. Whereas when I was young and in school in the 90s, parents and teachers took students to the resource room for extra study time and homework catch up, and the teachers were on you to pay attention. I remember a half my class was put in the resource catch-up class, in place of French class, for struggling to keep up. Back then, the main culprit was too much homework in too many classes all at once, and confusing/speedy lesson styles.
Education is the main problem, your government doesn't want you too smart or there would be a Revolution.
Load More Replies...Or that they can't think for themselves because all their life a computer or a smartphone has done it for them.
Teacher friend told me that for years she's been seeing ability to interact with technology decline. She says a lot of her students now basically have the same ability to solve problems on a computer that you'd expect from your grandparents. I suspect growing up in the very curated world of tablets and apps has allowed them to skip all the trouble shooting lessons millennials had to learn on old computers and the early internet.
In my house it's: Want help with social media related things, ask my oldest. Want help fixing something, come to me.
This is actually really sweet you recognize strengths! And you get to pass on knowledge!🤗
Load More Replies...It's so weird, but it's like the traditional computer is becoming outdated, old-fashioned and the kids have moved onto other technology that is unfixable, so they just don't bother learning how.
This is true. Technology is extremely easy now compared to 30 years ago.
Just wait...with this push towards AI, it will get exponentially worse.
GenX may be the only generation that can work a PC AND program a VCR. We'll just have to see if the former stays more relevant than the latter ended up.
Linux Mint is a good tutor for learning. You look up a couple things on installing software, and then use the terminal with a command or two to handle installing.
Yep, for some reason adults in charge of curriculum making saw how children could quickly learn to navigate a UI and assumed it meant they also were picking up the rest of the knowledge of how computers work. So they stopped teaching children computer science. Now we have a generation of new adults who can use apps but don't understand where thier files are being saved.
A friend is a music teacher in high school. He said that he hasn't observed gen-alpha brain rot in his students. He thinks it's specifically because music is an antidote for brain rot -- it encourages patience and attentiveness.
I'm one of the rare musicians who still sucks at math. I'm good with music theory, although the circle of 5ths nearly broke my brain. But my math is just awful and always has been. Music came easily to me though.
Load More Replies...My daughter has Tourette's Syndrome. Her tics are incredibly distracting for her when she is studying and learning something new. Joining the chorus class in high school helped her to calm down and focus.
Benefits of teaching a topic that students generally WANT to learn about. The problem isn't brain rot, it's getting kids engaged with what's being taught. Your mind functioning on auto-pilot is hard to separate from brain rot. Not saying it's the teacher's fault, mind you, but it's exceedingly difficult to get a kid to care about math the same way as they would care about music and art.
I know this to be true myself. A friend of mine is a French teacher who says she hasn't observed any of that kind of talking, because they have to speak French all the time. That said, I've seen some of her students outside of school, and they do speak Gen Alpha when they get to speak English
Load More Replies...Just a couple of days ago, a thread appeared in the AskReddit community, where the topic starter, the user u/MineTech5000, asked school teachers and educators in general: "What are your most terrifying 'Gen Alpha Can't Read/Behave/Etc.' horror stories?"
It should be noted that in just three days, the thread has already managed to collect over 3.1K upvotes and almost 3K various comments—so we can say right away that there are lots of stories, and the discussion of these stories turned out to be incredibly lively, and sometimes even with heated debates.
So we, Bored Panda, now suggest a selection of the most interesting—in our opinion—stories and viewpoints.
Almost weekly occurrence in my High School teacher friend's classroom:
Teacher: Hey, _______ where's your laptop?
Student: It's in my bag.
Teacher: Why isn't it out?
Student: It's dead
Teacher: Where's your charger?
Student: At home, I think?
Teacher: Perhaps one of the other 20 students in this room have a charger you can borrow?
Student: Maybe? *Stares blankly for 5 seconds*
Teacher: Well are you going to ask someone?
Student: Oh, right, can I borrow a charger?
My buddy says it's like they have no ability to pivot to
Plan B when Plan A fails.
The school where I work takes it a step further. Students must bring a fully charged laptop with them each day (the laptop and charger are provided by the school). They are not allowed to bring the chargers to school as there's not enough outlets in the classrooms and too many chargers make a tripping hazard. The school finally conceded this year and have installed one charger at the back of each classroom. The lack of providing a way to charge laptops during the school day is to make the students realise and act on having to charge their laptops at home. Responsibility.
I have the same problem with the kids I teach, except it's things like pens or pencils. They'll sit there doing nothing until you notice and then they'll act like they don't know how to ask to borrow something. They know perfectly well when it's something they want, like a chocolate. But a pen? They'll rather sit there doing nothing, because they have an excuse not to work.
Now go to a first year Contracts class in any law school where everyone uses a laptop and this never happens. Why? It takes a minimum amount of self-discipline to complete an u-grad degree and get into a law school. That's all it is: the presence of absence of self-discipline.
Is this new though? Like kids 50 years ago were all excellent problem solvers and pivoters?
They were not. A lot of these(but not all) are people that are "remembering" themselves as having their current skillset, but inside their scholl-aged form.
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I wanted to be a teacher and student taught in an area where mommy and daddy felt like their little monsters were always right. I had one parent call up the board to get me dismissed - all 7 members - because her child didn’t feel challenged enough in class. My students were freshman and as an introductory exercise to The House on Mango Street, I asked the kids to illustrate what their ideal home would look like. That was it. That was what was so offensive to the child that the parent called for my immediate removal. She never called me directly to discuss that she was upset. I had to hear it from the principal since she hung up on me when I called to ask her what I had done wrong. When I told her kid I had no problem giving him more challenging assignments, he balked stating he wasn’t interested in working harder. I asked him then what his intention was in getting me fired? He shut up and didn’t complain ever again after that.
I had another kid who cheated. I caught her and told her she needed to take her zero and wished her good luck in summer school. The parents insisted I provide a make up opportunity and I refused. She got the principal and assistant principal involved. Kid ended up failing the class and going to summer school.
I finished my student teaching successfully and bowed out. If this was a glimpse into my professional life, it wasn’t for me. The pay isn’t enough to raise other people’s garbage children.
To be fair, it doesn't sound like the first kid did anything wrong. I highly doubt he was the one behind the idea to get them fired. Seems more likely the kid lightly complained about the assignment and the parent ran with it.
If the OP thinks that the kid tried to get him fired, I'm sure he knew what he was talking about, not you reading into a post on the Internet.
Load More Replies...You're lucky with the cheating student that your principal backed you up. I caught two cheating students last year, gave them zeros, and made the mistake of asking my principal for advice. One of the students was on probation and very close to being expelled. I liked her - she was a nice girl with some personal problems to work through and I wanted to help her do better. My principal responded to my question by writing me up for disciplinary action, which can lead to me getting fired next year, and forced me to give both girls credit for their assignment. Poor girl was then expelled. I learned my lesson, and now I hide everything going on in the classroom from him.
What a horrible principal. Sucks you have to play that game. Too bad your school administration isn't about teaching children.
Load More Replies...It's really true that when you teach school you become a therapist to the parents too
That seems not very challenging for freshmen, not surprised parents complained.
As an "introductory exercise"? Why not? I've had that kind of an exercise in a short story writing course for adults.
Load More Replies...Number one reason that teachers quit is the parents. In the US, 40-50% quit in the first 5 years.
Yup, typical day in a teacher's life! THis has gone on for the last 30 years, BTW. Nothing new!
Good for you. A person that can label children " garbage" children should not be a teacher.
My partner is a teacher and has come home several telling me about 10 and 11 year old kids who can't use a ruler.
A f*****g ruler.
They can't use it to measure a straight line. They can't use it to draw a straight line. They can't use it to draw a like to connect two points. They just don't know how to use it. At 10+ years old.
But why are the kids getting the blame for something they've not be taught by adults - I have distinct memories of being taught how to rule a straight line, measuring, finger placement, the whole enchilada
In secondary school (UK, age 11 to about 16) I had a teacher who said he felt that rather than the studying advanced mathematics or technology, which the vast majority would have no use for, you could opt into a course that taught basic skills in form filling for, jobs, mortgages, resumes and tax forms.
I remember something like that in my secondary school in 70s/80s. It was called Money Management, a friend of mine went to these classes instead of doing an O Level or a CSE qualifications.
Load More Replies...I have to add lessons to my freshmen math class that includes using a ruler and using a calculator.
I have to do the same in my college level Drawing I classes. Having to create a 1" border around the perimeter of a piece of paper stumps far too many adult students.
Load More Replies...Isn't this something you learn in kindergarten though? I understand that it isn't all up to teachers, but getting to 10/11 and never having been asked to use it or shown in previous grades also speaks to the other teachers doesn't it?
We learned what a ruler was for about age 5. If you didn't learn then, you learned that it could rap knuckles too. ( Yes, I'm a boomer, but we learned to learn, and thusbavoid knuckle raps - just the possibility was enough)
Again, I want go defend this generation for not expertly knowing how to use a ruler in school at age 10. Me and my schoolmates were taught basic inch measuring and straight-edge-of-ruler drawing sometime in elementary school. Also use of a protractor, a prism, bunsen burner, overhead projector,and some of us how to thread a movie projector. Skill level zero before teaching, skill level for most adequate after t teaching, skill level for some proficient after teaching. With a bias towards boys to be proficient, no matter what skills a girl had.
Let me remind you right away that Generation Alpha includes children born from the beginning to middle of the 2010s, that is, the first generation born entirely in the 21st century. These are mainly the kids of millennials and partly of Gen-Zs.
It is widely believed that the author of the very term "Generation Alpha" is Mark McCrindle, the founder of the Australian consulting agency McCrindle Research, and author of the book 'The ABC of XYZ: Understanding the Global Generations,' published in 2009.
"It just made sense as it is in keeping with the scientific nomenclature of using the Greek alphabet in lieu of the Latin and it didn't make sense to go back to A," McCrindle told the New York Times in an interview dated in 2015. "After all they are the first generation wholly born in the 21st Century and so they are the start of something new not a return to the old."
I teach highschool math. I’ve encountered many students who were operating at maybe a 2nd grade level of math.
Seniors who couldn’t do 2x3 in their heads.
Juniors who didn’t know what a square root was.
Seniors who couldn’t solve for x in x + 1 = 8.
Freshmen who couldn’t ADD OR SUBTRACT
I had one sophomore this year who could not wrap her mind around “20 more than” in a certain type of problem. I tried for a few minutes before saying “let’s say you and I go into a store. I’m going to buy some number of apples and you plan on buying 20 more apples than what I buy. If I buy 5 apples, how many would you buy?” ….”20?”.
Maybe the person was taught with reference to watermelons or mangoes and can't extrapolate the scenario to apples
Well watermelons are green and apples are, generally, reddish. Perhaps they should have specified granny smith apples to clarify things.
Load More Replies...It was supposed to be funny… not reality! Blackadder: Right Baldrick, let's try again shall we? This is called adding. If I have two beans, and then I add two more beans, what do I have? Baldrick: Some beans. Blackadder: Yes... and no. Let's try again shall we? I have two beans, then I add two more beans. What does that make? Baldrick: A very small casserole. Blackadder: Baldrick, the ape creatures of the Indus have mastered this. Now try again. One, two, three, four. So how many are there? Baldrick: Three. Blackadder: What? Baldrick: ...and that one. Blackadder: Three and that one. So if I add that one to the three what will I have? Baldrick: Oh. Some beans. Blackadder: Yes. To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?
Yes, but OP said the student didn't know what it was. Not knowing what it is and not being able to solve it are two different things.
Load More Replies...We need to fail more students. Leave some behind. Set some actual standards.
I just read an article that many high school seniors have a 7th grade reading skill.
My 23 year old step daughter doesn't understand that 5:45 is the same as quarter to 6
I cannot comprehend that! These are just arithmetic questions, not even maths!
Don't worry. They're plenty of students that know this stuff, even earlier than they are supposed to. They will go on to graduate, go to college and professional schools; or to trade schools where they will join the economy with an upward trajectory. The students you're talking about will drop out, become low-wage clerks and laborers and every 4 years will vote for the rich guy in hopes (unfounded and unrealized) that they themselves will become rich. The successful will "own" those you describe in a land that abolished slavery 160 years before.
I asked an undergraduate student for their opinion on a text, they pulled out their phone, typed my question into ChatGPT and then read aloud the answer it gave.
Seriously? I mean, I get that some things may be a bit tricky to interpret and I guess chatgpt can help you understand the emotions of the person who wrote that text. But come on, you must have your own opinion, right?
RIGHT?! Jokes aside: when I was in school back in the 90s I had similar experiences with class mates. The job was to read a text (one page or two in the school book) and summarise in English with our own words. I was done within minutes and watched some others at work. Their method was to make a collage from relevant text bits and weld them into new sentences. My gasts were seriously flabbered. 🤯
Load More Replies...My workmate uses chat gpt for writing up documents for our children's learning. Claims its her words and information but chat gpt writes it. Yeah right, none of the information sounds like it comes from her whatsoever.
I hate chat GPT! I recently discovered that pretty much everyone on my team at work uses it. You know words! Use them!
Load More Replies...At this point, it’s about time to eliminate phones and tablets altogether in school. Kids need to be able to think for themselves.
AI and its use is a huge issues in universities at the moment. its great as a research tool but as a generative device its plagiarism so gets zero. Universities are trying to work out a fair and auditable policy on this. not as easy as it sounds - some software , such as Grammarly, legitimately used by students, particularly students with learning difficulties now have a new AI component, so the student uses it as they were allowed and find themselves getting zero and not understanding why.
Watch South Park's "Deep learning" episode and decide for yourself.
Load More Replies...I recall a video of a teacher going on a rant to her University class for using AI and chatgpt to make their thesis' and essays.
I had a pre-k student whose speech was unintelligible. He could not communicate. So I told his mom he needed to be tested for speech therapy and she replied,"Awww, so he wont baby talk anymore? I'm gonna miss hearing that!".
Dealt with this, parents ignored all issues with their child. Nothing was wrong until the child turned 4, poof the rose coloured glasses fell off and suddenly it clicked only one of their twins was neuro typical. For 2 smart people they were really ignorant to their child's needs.
My wife is a teaching assistant and the biggest problems kids with learning disabilities/neurospicy have are the parents. So many are in denial about the children, they just do not want to know or even acknowledge that their kids have challenges and need to be seen by specialists to get on the right path for help.
This is not a new thing. My late husband's parents blindly disregarded his multiple mental health issues until it was too late.
Load More Replies...Considering children can learn words on their own, this makes me think that if the parent isn't intentionally ignoring that the kid hasn't learn to talk, the other possibility is the parent using baby talk patterns when talking around them.
I knew of a boy who still wasn’t potty trained at the age of five. I wasn’t around to find out what the school did in his case, but how could he possibly have been allowed to start kindergarten?
I was lucky (decades ago) that my parents had me in speech therapy by the time I was 3.
The last kids of Generation Alpha are thought to be born around 2029 or 2030, but teachers are already flooding the Internet with dramatic stories about how these children have trouble reading or writing, are poorly acquainted with basic mathematical concepts and operations, and are sometimes unable to perform the most basic actions in the world around them.
The reason for this is usually given as the widespread use of smartphones and high-speed Internet—as a result, unlike Z-Gens, modern kids grew up not just with gadgets in their hands, but with gadgets that are fundamentally different in their capabilities from the smartphones and tablets of the '00s.
Currently studying to be a teacher. In one of my in-school placements, I had students come up to me and ask what time it was. I would always look at the clock on the wall, that they had clear view of, and tell them the time. None of the kids (12-14 year olds) knew how to read a clock. I even explained how to read it to a few of them and they looked at me like I had two heads.
In my school, they taught us how to read one in second grade. How many other kids understood, idk, but I did.
My dad was very strict about timekeeping. He made sure I could read an analogue clock before I even started nursery school.
Load More Replies...Times change I suppose. I'm 71 and my mum taught me to read basic stuff, write my name and tell the time on a wall clock before I started infants school, when I was about four.
I think it’s the level of parental involvement. I’m soon to be 45 and I knew those things when you did.
Load More Replies...I was taught both in home and at school in the 90s how to read an analog clock. We taught our children at home how to read analog clocks, but I was surprised when I saw 0 homework or any type of lesson plan regarding this in Elementary level education. While this can be seen as a failure on parents, I believe that it can also be said that the education system holds some responsibility as well.
They still teach kids at school here but my 9 year old said she and another boy were the only ones who knew how.
Load More Replies...Stop giving them the answer. Show them how to find the answer themselves and make them give it to you. Giving them answers is part of the problem. When I was growing up my mother's most frequent response was "figure it out".
This is a real actual problem. My two were born six years apart. The eldest had to learn to read an analogue clock to know when their friends were arriving etc. By the time the next one came along and was old enough to want to know the time they could find it on digital devices. We had to work quite hard with that one to get him to be able to read an analogue clock, especially as they 'didn't see the point'. We have analogue clocks all over the house.
My 14 year old neighbor's son came over while I was doing some wood working in my garage. He has never used a ruler. He did not know how many inches to a foot or feet in one yard. The various lengths of the ruler markings that make it easy to split an inch by 1/4, 1/8, and 1/16 might as well have been rocket science that I was explaining to him.
Tbf I'm a bit like this , like I can read the clock but it takes me a few seconds , not as instant as people older than me
It took me so long to figure out an analog clock. It also took me a long time to remember which was right and which was left, and what was east and west. I always had to do the Never Eat Soggy Wieners mantra. Forget inbetween cardinal points. Dyscalculia is a b***h and embarrassing. If you need to call 911 or any number that requires cardinal directions, if you're struggling the reps get pissed off or annoyed of your confusion. I still struggle with analog clocks to this day. Last week, I though it was 4:18, but it was 3:20. Tripped me out.
it took me a long time to read analog clocks tbh, my mind just couldnt figure it out
High school student asked me what it means to "put it in his own words" instead of copying and pasting. .
I am a teacher. I can't tell you how many times I've caught my students copying and pasting answers from whatever comes up first on a Google search. When I talk to them about it, they ask me how many words they have to change so that it counts as being in their own words. I teach 9-12 graders by the way. It drives me crazy how common this is.
I had this problem with my step kids. I'd ask them to read the research, then I'd put on the recorder and ask them to explain it to me without reading. Then they could transcribe (another skill taught) their own explanation onto the page and then edit for clarity. Using the recorder helped them understand the concept of "their own words".
Load More Replies...I saw a teacher the other day say that quite a few high school seniors could barely read at the 8th grade level.
Not a teacher, but I was a counselor at a summer camp. On the second day, the boys told me to convince one kid (age 12) to shower because he refused to. After I resorted to dragging him into the bathroom, he looked at the shower head and asked: "What do I do?" so I had to tell him how to take a shower. Eventually he did while I stood outside and waited. He's 12 years old and his parents still bathe him.
I'm not that surprised. In my formation to work at summer camp, we were taught exactly what to do in these situations, that's how not rare it is
If your parents either baby you or neglect you, going to camp can be traumatic unless there is a general educational hygiene class for the entire camp. Like in the dining room, a counselor has everyone watch how to stand in line for food, how to get beverages, silverware, then shows how to bus their plates etc. Because showing "how it's done at our camp" often is the only life skills training that kid has ever had. Saves those children embarrassment from others knowing more.
My kids have been showering by themselves since they were 5... I dry their hair but they wash themselves...
I think the thing that worries me even more than the parents washing a 12-year old, but wasn't he paying attention and possibly saw or learned enough to at least try? Did they only give him baths and he had never been given a shower? I would also say if this is not straight up a***e. its very, very close. It wouldn't be ok if it was a 12-year old girl, right?!
Kids don't shower until their parent's stop bathing them. If they shower, the parent's don't have as much control, so no. If his parents had been bathing him for 12 yrs, he probably didn't even realize what the shower head was, or was for.
Load More Replies...I can't even remember not being able to bathe myself....
Load More Replies...Not the kids fault. Not to say there are not lazy and dumb kids out there, but all of this can be blamed on parents and a politically motivated school system
I won't lie about it, I miss the days of bath time fun with my child. You know when it's time for them to take over, but it was a little sad knowing you'll never get those baby days back.
My mouth just fell open and my chin hit the ground…
Load More Replies...The parents must be rather unaware of the Real World too, if they send the child away to summer camp without teaching him basic hygiene. Were they expecting the summer camp staff to bathe him?
According to modern sociologists, parents are also partly to blame for this, as they were so overprotective of their offspring that they actually deprived them of the need to develop all of the skills that previous generations were so famous for. Why read something if you can watch a video? Why write if you have voice typing? Why, finally, think—if you can ask ChatGPT about literally everything?
My friend teaches 5th grade. He's just now getting the kids that were learning to read when covid happened.
He said several of them can't tell time. On a digital clock.
Sadly covid really exacerbated the divide between certain privileges. My kids had parents who worked at home flexibly and could ensure they were "in class" on time, that they had real recess in the backyard, that they had food to eat ready at lunch. Many kids had parents who couldn't be there to shepherd them through the day, and depending on their age, that's really difficult. Several kids in my older child's class had to help their little siblings with their devices, lunches, keeping them focused, which took time out of their learning. This isn't the kid's fault or even the parents, really. No one knew when they had children that they would have to be schooled in a way no one in the history of humanity had ever done on such a large scale. They couldn't be prepared.
Don't they know time, at all? When to get up, when to go to bed, when football practice is? Haven't they seen the little figures at the bottom or top of each screen?
TEACHING IS EASY, HUH MARGARET! Maybe now you know you'll precious little angels are a pain in my class and they ain't learning the same when they at home! I am a specialist in how to learn and you in *my house* m**********r!! Y'all can chatgpt and Duolingo my a*****e, bitches! 2/3 represent!
Here, COVID online learning was checking in with the teacher once a day and being told how her pets were coping with pet food shortages. The difference between great schools (5 hours of online lessons a day) and bad schools (did nothing but tick box welfare check on kids) is stark.
Maybe parents were doing f**k all to help their kids during the pandemic.
Some parents had to work two or three jobs during the pandemic.
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They’re not good at problem solving or self reflection. And they struggle to pay attention. You ask them a question, and they look at you like you’re going to spoon feed them the answers. There’s no initiative. No drive. No curiosity.
Because too many in society DO spoon-feed the answers and these same people think anyone that doesn't is cruel.
Lack of initiative and curiosity comes from the parents. There are problems at home if a child won't do the work at all. I'm no expert, but I'm a good father and I know exactly how my child is doing in school. Too many parents are bad at parenting. Some kids never stand a chance.
In the US? I bet it's Standards of Learning, or "no child left behind." I wouldn't have given a s**t about school either if I was being taught to take a test.
Load More Replies...I spoon feed the hell outta them: I load up my spoon and feed them the "F's" they earned.
One of my fourth graders was provisionally promoted from third grade in the middle of the school year. He was reading at a first grade level when he arrived in my class. He hit his 14-day suspension cap quickly because he was constantly fighting with other kids instead of actually trying to learn. The guidance counselor pulled him out to do a therapeutic art project one afternoon. That's how we discovered that he doesn't know his shapes either. It was one of the worst cases of educational neglect that I've seen. Of course, the parent was upset that her kid was not on honor roll and demanded to know why he was failing every subject. Oh yeah, the regional superintendent overruled us and promoted him to fifth grade.
Sometimes I feel like promoting them onto the next grade really is injustice for such kids. Maybe they need some more time.
My niece has been held back once and at every grade recommended the same, she can't read at all. We were watching something like a comic and I asked her if she could read the word bubbles from the characters and she said no, I asked then how do you know what's going on she said bc of what they do next in it. So no thoughts on wanting to know more or actually understand the comic strip. My sisters husband got upset at me thinking I was making fun of her and I looked at him surprised and you could see that he knew it was wrong but didn't want to fight with my sister about it. For the record my sister also doesn't read she says it's too hard like my niece. She's in middle school.
Load More Replies...Can someone please explain to me this whole grade promotion thing, it really doesn't exist in the UK
This doesn't exist and would never happen in Canada either. I'm very curious as to where such a thing could happen.
Load More Replies...I bet he was being home schooled and then parents entered him in school. Most people DO NOT do a good job home schooling! Or. parents are waiting to put children in school. Like Kindergarten isn't necessary in parents' minds.
On what grounds was that kid promoted in the first place?! I felt mocked when I started school in the 80s and "Maths" was all about sorting various coloured plastic chips by size, colour and/or shape (like "big ones to the left, blue shapes right, blue biggies in the middle", like a practical Venn diagram).
Why would you promote a child in the middle of the school year? That doesn't even meet the dubious goal of keeping the child with his peers. I am a retired LCSW child, adolescent, and family therapist. I once worked with a number a teachers, including special education specialists, to formulate an IEP. These college-educated so-called professionals would just throw out random ideas (have him start an hour later, give him a free period after lunch) without any idea or even theory of why that change would meet his goals. Just do something seemed to be the job. What do they teach in education courses?
I can only assume this kids parents were not overly educated themselves? Or didn't interact with their child to be able to see they were behind? That is what is terrible - not seeing your own child and knowing they need help rather than blaming others.
Letting the child (or adult, it's true for every level of education) enter the next level of education w/o having a good basis is stealing. The person promoted will have a larger and larger heap of 'supposed to know but have no idea about' to work against, they (or their parents) pay for the education (even if it's free, there are some unavoidable costs) and convince the pupil/student that they are vaccinated against the topic, 'I'm unable to learn this stuff, I'm too stupid'.
Speaking of unfamiliarity with how to write complete and coherent sentence, we have clear examples everywhere.
Load More Replies...On the other hand, what could the kids themselves do about it? Or is it rather a problem of a society that literally overnight (one decade in historical terms is a very short period of time) faced a fundamentally new technological order, while the social and mental order remained largely the same.
It's quite possible that in the future we'll have to change this entire system—either adapt to the demands of new generations, or try to teach them all these skills at a relatively mature age.
It is not for nothing that the first startups are already appearing in Europe and the USA—the courses where young people learn basic skills for independent living. Who knows, maybe this is the next 'blue ocean' of the economy?
In the last year alone, I can think of three students off the top of my head who got caught touching themselves in class--while making eye contact with another student.
We had a kid running a full d**g operation out of the boy's bathroom. Vapes, w**d, cigarettes, a burner phone to do the transactions... the whole nine.
When I try to tell them their written work is completely unintelligible due to incoherent grammar and lack of basic sentence structure, I am met with, "I said what I said. If you can't understand it, then that is your problem."
Commas are too hard of a concept.
Yay middle school.
The dealer kid must have had at least decent math, budgeting and weight skills.
My high schoolers don't put periods at the end of their sentences. This in in a beginning foreign language class where the sentences are 3-5 words long, memorized, and where punctuation counts for the grade. Oh, and forget about having them capitalize words. They alternate small and capital letters without even seeming to realize that there is a difference. For obvious reasons, I won't let them write on their computers. It's all on paper. I'm teaching kindergarten all over again.
I hope the teacher gives any student a bad grade if there work was unreadable.
I had a student, just this past year, a HS Junior, turn in a page and a half of handwritten stuff--- no punctuation- no space between words, no periods, none of those paragraph thingies- nothing, He said it was hard to do.
I recall my school years, one year, I'm in a car with a parent who taught at high school, and he is talking to another teacher on speaker while driving. They discuss the concept of vape detectors in the bathroom, and my parent goes "that will fix it" and the other teacher's kid, in the background, goes "no it won't"
Oh my. But ... I got into school in 1989, and finished in 2003 with one extra year, that was totally useless and somewhat staged, but anyway - I often meet people who complain about every sentence that even remotely exceeds the usual. A former classmate of the last few years, who failed graduating, always asks if you'd need Abitur to understand my sentences. Told him, no, you need to be a Mensanian, cos it began to annoy. The rampant stupidity only shows in different ways today, but it does not appear any new or surprising to me. After I resolved the handwriting issues by being diagnosed having a somewhat broken brain (never examined for the stuff in the diagnosis, I don't even know what it's called anymore), I loved pointing out to teachers, whose handwriting was, actually, unintelligible, that they shall try learning to read if they have difficulties, to come back at them for their yearlong harassment over some letter not meeting the standardized handwriting. All marked for mistake, all clearly understandable, and finally, they HAD to let go of it and I could come back to them. I'm sure, from their point of view, our story reads very similar to the one above. But, am I stupid? Are they? Is the system? The latter, for sure. The other two ... depends. There's people who have every right to consider me stupid. I have every right to consider them so, but neither is ONLY stupid. The dealer ... ok, that exceeds even the legends some people spread about themselves. Two oh-so-more-mature girls in 6th grade were bragging about having tried H****n and gettig effed in the A. At 12 or 13 years old. I don't think it was believed much. I didn't.
Elementary PE teacher here. The amount of children biting when angry is terrifying. I have several that will chase a kid down after they’ve been wronged, grab their arm, and bite them like a dog. So far they’re all under 7, but I’m up to four in different classes. That’s a specific problem, I’ll add that in general we are doomed.
My son went through a biting phase when he was about 3.5 (diagnosed ADHD). We couldn't stop him, until his psychiatrist asked, "Have you tried doing it to him?" Um, excuse me, what? Finally, I'd had a rough day and he bit the c**p out of me. I turned around, grabbed his arm and bit him back. Not hard, but the shock broke through his tantrum and he looked at me like I lost my mind. I calmly said, "See? You didn't like it either. WE. DON'T. BITE!" Never bit anyone again.
My son went through the biting stage at 2 y/o. I bit him back and it never happened again.
Load More Replies...To be completely honest, PE classes also made me want to bite stuff pretty often /hj
This is an unhealthy coping skill for expressing those "big emotions" parents always want to dismiss. I know because I've been clenching my teeth out of deep frustration and anger since I was 11, and I've resorted to biting myself. Pent up trauma will do that to you
Sorry to hear, you must be dealing with serious issues. Being able to recognize that this is inappropriate behavior is the beginning to getting better. Good luck finding the help you need, don't give up on yourself.
Load More Replies...My nephew had this issue at age 2. A lot of toddlers do. Then they grow up.
You can get a bad infection from a human bite. Always get it looked at in a doctors office.
TBF this behavior is common among all primates. It's one of the reasons some of us invented tools (aka weapons). /s
Primates sure, but humans evolved. You wouldn't expect a child to eat another child either because humans can think before we act. We also don't fling p*o or eat ants with a stick.
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My mom and her sister worked in education for a long time. They both retired around ten years ago, but as they were getting closer to retirement, every year they'd say, "The kids and parents are worse every year." I believe that. I spent a brief time working in adult probation - a lot of kids with parents who enable them end up there. I dealt with so many parents of young adults who would call and try to schedule probation appointments for their "kid". They'd be furious when we told them no, their kid needed to do it themselves. They'd try to come to probation appointments with them. They'd say stuff like "you mean their ALLEGED crime" and I'd correct them and say, "It's not alleged once you're convicted." You'd meet or talk to these parents and feel sort of sorry for these people. Their kids had no chance with parents like that.
So many parents today only want their kid to be "happy" but in reality, they have no idea what it takes to make a person happy. They says these younger people are all anxious and depressed...clearly being poorly educated, unable to solve basic problems, or understanding how to function successfully in an already hard world doesn't make a person happy! But parents insist that they send their kid to school in bubble wrap to make sure no one pops and of their bubbles and send them back exactly the same. Their kids are miserable, emotionally stunted, and totally unprepared for reality as a result. But no one wants to seriously talk about the fact that is 100% the parents who are the problem. You can have all the school funding on earth but if you are serving parents who want a nannies and not educators you end up where we are.
Okay, I am retired nearly 9 years, taught for 30+ years. Parents when I started teaching were coddling kids, as in they could do no wrong, and those children are now parents themselves. They probably have no idea how to parent without giving in to every whim and doing everything for their kids. Remember helicopter parents? Now the children of the helicopter parents are parents themselves.
My mother--a teacher for 30 years--said the hardest part of being a teacher was dealing with jerky parents. Conversely, she felt that the hardest part of being a parent was dealing with jerky teachers, so there's that.
And with her advanced education and decades of experience she didn't attempt to resolve the contradiction? She was perfectly situated to do so.
Load More Replies...Be that as it may, here and now we have millions of children, many of whom read worse than their older siblings and parents, who have great difficulty concentrating, and whose thinking process simply works differently. So if, after reading this selection of tales you want to either tell a similar story or suggest an idea of what to do about it all, please do so in the comments!
More hilarious than terrifying. My good friend is a high school teacher, usually teaching Seniors. One day she gave a research assignment about the Legend of Sleepy Hallow. One of the papers she had gotten back really confused her because it started going off about mysteries and time travel. Then it hit her, this student had done the old "Look up the Wikipedia article and write about that" but had accidentally pulled up the 2013 show.
Just give them assignments for indie books. Nothing to Google and supports indie writers.
That's a bit doofy but I can at least see that being an honest mistake.
I don't know if that counts as an "honest" mistake, if you're cheating.
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I was an elementary school sub for many years. Phonics is no longer taught in our district, and they don't do math drills in class - it's all supposed to be done at home by the parents, and that doesn't happen. So the kids don't have the muscle-memories in place with the basics, which prevents them from being able to think through the rest of the problem. Plus, our district bought into this concept of "spiral" math, where the kids are introduced to high math concepts (like negative numbers) each year starting in first grade, but they don't go into depth with the basics. They see the same concept again the next year, and they still don't get it. And so on until middle school. By then they've decided math is a mysterious black hole, they hate it, and they're going to avoid it whenever possible. It made teaching so frustrating, and it was awful to see the sheer dread and confusion on their faces whenever math was taught. We can do better.
Okay, I'm going to start by saying yes parents should help children at home with their studies, but I am going to add that a school district should NOT expect everything to be done at home with the parents help. I'm not saying that all parents are not going to have interest (and I know there are some), but in today's world it can sometimes be near impossible to work, do routine house care (meals, dishes, laundry, etc.) and help with homework while ensuring the child gets fed, bathed, and in bed at an appropriate time. Yes, we should help our children, but no the basic fundamentals of it should still be taught at school with the parents acting as reinforcement.
Agreed. Adults shouldn't have to work more than 8 hours a day. Kids should therefore not bee expected to work more than let's say 6 hours a day. Homework (especially for elementary students) should only be if they were not able to get work done in class. It shouldn't be explicitly assigned for at home, except maybe the random big project.
Load More Replies...Expecting parents to teach academic skills at home is a big problem. Just like stuff like dressing themselves and learning basic organization is part of raising children (aka the parent's job), this part should stay in schools. Not all parents are able to help with homework, this puts their children at a disadvantage. Also many parents work and no one wants to spend the little free time in the evening doing school work.
My problem with math was that I could not, for the life of me, figure out what an 'equation' was supposed to mean. x is equal to this and that, meanwhile my ADHD brain was like: but ... it isn't? How can the LETTER x be equal to numbers? It just didn't click, and I couldn't convey this issue into words so tha0t my teacher could explain. Struggled with this for years, also in physics, where crossing off equal factors on both ends of an equation meant the overall equation wouldn't change, but in my head IT DID BECAUSE YOU CROSSED OUT NUMBERS! It was like speaking in Chinese lmao
And yet those are 2 of the most fundamental things you do in math and science. You know 5 pennies equal a nickel? They are both different and the same.
Load More Replies...When we were living in Virginia, I had a 3-hour commute, ONE WAY. I would leave for work at 4:30 in the morning and be doing good to get home by 7:00 in the evening. My husband's commute was only slightly less long. By the time we were home, we were exhausted, still had our daily home things (dinner, cleaning,laundry, getting the kids settled, etc). We had four kids. There was absolutely no way we had time to do the "education reinforcement" that the schools wanted us to do. And we both had to work to survive in that economy. But guess who was looked at as the "worst parents ever"? We did the best we could, got the kids tutors, etc...but the school always looked as if we were POSs who didn't care about their kids' educations.
Your 6-hpur commute was nobody's fault but your own. Don't blame teachers for the time you don't spend with your kids because you need to drive 6 hours. You can say you needed the job all you want, but you could move closer, work for slightly less, try a different vocation. When it comes to how much time you spend with your kids, you can blame yourself if it isn't enough. Also, spending time looking over homework or asking questions about school should not be seen as work. Quit crying about having to talk to your child about their education and help out. It should be fun spending time with your child. You're going to regret it if you miss out while they're young. Also, if you know you can't be home much, maybe get a cat or fish, not 4 kids. It's not even fair to get a dog if you can't find the time to spend with them.
Load More Replies...The basics work. I'm up for trying novel teaching methods, but if the teachers aren't on board, it won't be effective. The basic concepts of math aren't that hard to teach to normal children. I've never heard of spiral math and I don't want to know- I'm not going to look it up. My child learned pretty good math skills from her CPA dad and there were no differences between what I told her and what she learned in school. I didn't teach her how to use an abacus, but she knows algebra pretty well. There's more than one way to learn and I'm not saying one is necessarily better, but if we already have a problem teaching kids how to add and subtract, maybe we need to look at the other issues present before trying some new method of teaching.
Load More Replies...The majority of public schools no longer teach Grammer and math skills, but not to worry. We do teach teach first and second graders and above that they are not the gender that they were born as. So the world is saved. Right? RIGHT???? /s
Yet you cannot spell "grammar" and capitalized it unnecessarily.
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Only 27% of the incoming 6th graders at the local middle school are proficient in math skills. Also, next to zero problem solving skills or critical thinking skills, like a “do it for me” or “I’m just not doing that 🤷♀️” mindset for school work. You can turn in zero work for a class and get passed through. We don’t require motivation anymore. Edit to add: for reference on how disturbing the math percentage is: 6th grade math skills would include basic work with fractions, finding averages of a group of numbers, reading a graph or chart, basic decimal operations, finding percents, etc. We give multiplication charts now instead of memorizing your basic multiplication facts.
How does grading work in the US? Here the grade on the report card is the mean of all class test grades and a grade for participation in class. If you fail two or more subjects you have to repeat the class. You can't get passed through.
I think it varies by state. My friend teaches high school in Georgia and they are told by the school that they are not allowed to fail any of their students. So a kid could do literally zero work all year and fail all exams, but still advance to the next grade. I've heard similar stories from people in several of the other southern US states.
Load More Replies...I spent way too much time in 5th grade memorizing the multiplication tables. It really hasn't benefited my adult life much, whereas algebra and rough estimates sure do, on a daily basis. If my school had taught that finger-abucus skill for math problems, I would have been better off.
I did close to notiing for school. From grade 8 on, I did no homework except physics in 12 and 13, because I liked it. I still had to hide reading from a blank sheet when we were doing binomic formulae in 8th, and briefly was made to show I actually wrote it down because two of the most stupid girls I ever met snitched on me not actually reading. We had done this easy-as-it-gets stuff for six long and tiring months already. After they snitched, they both, soooo nice, asked me if I let them copy my homework. Sure. The first of them volunteered to read out her solution, which was TOTALLY bogus, even introduced or replaced variables and such. Teacher wasn't pleased. Then, the 2nd one volunteered and was surprised that I did wrong. I read the right stuff from my wrong page, and they were still confues. "Sorry, not used to write down stuff while calculating, I mixed up the tasks..." - the stuff I wrote down wasn't mixed up, but the most unreasonable, unrelated stupidities to think of. Gotcha, bidges!
One of my ex's had an 11 year old daughter that couldn't read. I was flabbergasted when she went to the bathroom then asked which was the hand sanitizer and which was the hand soap. They were both in their original labeled bottles...
How do you, as a parent, not know your child can't read? If you do know, how are you not outraged (assuming there's nothing developmentally wrong with your child). That's bad parenting.
I know of a parent who doesnt think any of her children should be educated or independent 11 year old cant read and doesnt have to try, four year old shouldn't be attempting to take off or put on their own shoes and definitely shouldnt be doing anything like learning to read or write.
During a project week we had a first grader who could barely speak our national language, barely his mother tongue but he spoke in memes like a pro.
Holy c**p, Star Trek nails it once again. “Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra”. (If you know, you know.)
I wonder if this is possibly ASD. My son is functionally nonverbal, but because of echolalia, he can quote scripts from his favorite TV shows. For example, if he's ready for someone to leave, he will start quoting Mr. Roger's farewell scene. He can not hold down a conversation, but he can utilize what he knows to get his needs and wants across to those who engage him most frequently.
My son is a bit like this but not non verbal, just delayed. Quotes all sorts, can act out scenes from films but struggles to have a proper conversation. Thankfully the speech therapy is helping.
Load More Replies...Ancient user here. How can you talk in memes? Memes are literally pictures with text on it. Does he read them and uses them instead of speaking any language fluent?
I guess he references them and uses a lot of slang??? I’m not sure either :)
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Lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills is the big one for me. And a lack of curiosity in the world around them.
Parroting memes is the worst I think though. It seems to really k**l any imagination that kids used to have.
I see that in the college studio art classes that I teach, and it's gotten dramatically worse over the past ten years or so. Students come to an art class expecting there to be one correct way to do things and often can't generate their own ideas... and these are art majors.
Load More Replies...Maybe the kids are picking that up from BP, who just love to parrot memes ad nauseam
Parroting memes is so annoying too sometimes. I can't have a conversation with my younger brother without him referencing or quoting a meme or a reaction image.
I have moments where I think of some kind of D&D campaign-worthy story in my head, but then suck at describing it, and it gets described as "Necromancer castle"
I disagree. They have an imagination but not in what you had as a kid. No fairy tales.
I teach college. The number of students that can't compose a basic research paper is depressing. I had one student research a company but the company's name changed a few years prior. Clearly she was plagiarising from an earlier student's paper. I told her over and over, company A is now called company B; by calling it company A it is clear that you have not even visited the company's current website (a requirement for the paper). She ignored me and stuck with calling it company A and failed.
Peeps, take a good care of your health because the current future doctors are graduating solely thanks to ChatGPT
Not exactly true for MDs, because the tests are mainly learning things by heart and then doing multiple choice tests. Apart from my doctoral thesis I didn't have to write any papers
Load More Replies...It's actually quite surprising how may people reach a PhD level and can't perform simple analytical thinking or troubleshooting...and this isn't even Gen Z...this is with every generation.
Not bothering to check is not a Gen Z specific problem. My thesis director refuses to recognize that the main character of the books i'm working is a man and keeps correcting "he" to "she". If you type his name on google, you don't even have to click a link to see it's a man, even without having read the book.
I work for a school transportation department and when I'm not in the office, I'm a "permanent substitute" who fills in for absent bus drivers. Each bus is parked in the same "lane" at the schools every single day, regardless of who is driving. Most students walk up to the bus and if they see it isn't their regular driver, they look around in horror and start wandering around aimlessly. I tell them every time it will be in the same lane regardless of driver, but I can drive the same route once or twice every week and the same clueless kids will back up and wander around every time. If the rare observant kid doesn't intercept them and redirect, dismissal gets held up while administrators search for the right bus. It doesn't help that many of them don't know their address or subdivision. High school is the worst about it! I have done this for 11 years and it gets worse every single year - and I drive for some of the top academic schools in the state.
According to OP on Reddit, each bus driver, including them, has their own bus. Honestly, I'd be confused too, I knew my bus was bus 73 the whole time I was in that school district, no matter who was driving.
Load More Replies...The driver is probably the most familiar and unique element of the what I assume are identical busses. So that's what they look for.
And the parking spot (specific location) isn't just as unique? More so because this post is predicated on the driver being replaced by a substitute. But the parking location doesn't change and chaos reigns. This is frightening.
Load More Replies...How can someone not know their address? I still remember the address (but not the phone number) of where I lived when I was 5. When I was 8 I knew my address - including postal zone (pre-zip code), home phone, and dad's work phone.
I can only assume their parents didn't make them learn it. I still remember my first street address (914 Bartlett Street). We moved away from there in 1969, when I had just turned 8.
Load More Replies...Some school have numbers on sheets of paper on the windows - and I have seen schools that used colored construction paper. When I was in school, buses themselves had numbers painted on them.
When I went to school many many many moons ago, my school buses had numbers on them. You just got on your bus number regardless of who was driving. The only slightly confusion was if your bus broke down or needed maintenance done on it and you end up having a different bus number. Still the bus you got on was always in the same order. So you still boarded that bus.
This doesn't go away as they age. I drive at a local college campus. My bus is literally painted a different color than the others, as I do the only off-campus route. If I'm not in that particular bus, the students have absolutely no idea what to do - even when they see me, their regular driver, sitting in the seat.
I'm not a teacher but a former janitor, and all I can say is urine and feces EVERYWHERE!!!
Then they grow up to be the mystery shitter at work, who leaves their modern art behind in the office toilet.
They don't have to grow up to be the mystery shitter, sadly. I've had a couple.
Load More Replies...Reminded me of a video I saw, where a school janitor complained about having to deep-clean the mirrors daily because girls kept writing on them with lipstick. Cue a scene where, as a last resort, the kids would have to watch him clean the mirrors to make them see how much effort it took. I guess you can imagine how well that worked - until he went and wet his mop in the toilet. You could see it clicking with his audience when they pictured how they had put their lipstick on after "decorating" the mirrors every day. 😆
No change from 30 years ago - someone used to s**t in the water fountain at my school
Seriously? That would have been a bit difficult for someone to do in the water fountains at my school, considering they were in the hallways and usually taller than bûtt height. Lol
Load More Replies...Some little darling climbed to the top of my son's playground merry go round and $hit all down it. They had to climb about 3 metres up, with no pants on to do this. The caretaker discovered it after the holidays and had to water blast it to get it all off as it was baked on. I bet that kids parents are proud.
They probably are, I'm sad to say. They tell the story when they carpool to the State Prison to visit Grandpa.
Load More Replies...it's the case in most public bathrooms though, not just in schools?
I want to say that kids are worse when it comes to bathrooms, but I've seen some pretty heinous public restrooms, too...
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Not in my class but JUST YESTERDAY we were at a coffee shop and two of the girls didn’t recognize a quarter. One asked the other, “is this a nickel? Wait, is a nickel only 5 cents?” Then tried to flag us down for stiffing them and I said, “a quarter is 25 cents.” How did they get the job as cashiers? We’re doomed.
I managed a fast food restaurant in the 90s, and part of the interview involved giving them a cash drawer, and going through transactions. The total is - this is what they gave you - figure out the change. If they could not do that, there is no way that I would have hired them (although now I guess everything in on credit and debit cards)
maybe it's a cultural because we don't really have names for cents in france but i don't see how not knowing what a 25cents penny is that bad? i mean as long as they know this one is worth 25cents the name doesn't really matter much, they can just say '25 cents' can't they?
That might not be on their education, but more on the more common use of paper dollars (especially in the US, where they have 1$ bills as opposed to Loonies) and credit cards, which eliminate the reason to spot that much of a difference between two different prints of legal tender.
Gen Z + not a teacher
sometimes i'm absolutely baffled by the lack of reading comprehension, work ethic and critical thinking skill among my own peers. how in god's green earth is it getting worse?
How do you not know not to use capital letters in the middle of sentence unless it's for a proper noun?
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We had a kid who didn’t know that deserts were dry.
Also hardly any of them know the difference between vowels and consonants. Thanks, Lucy Calkins!
Well, antarctica is considered a desert, but it's covered in ice, which most people wouldn't call dry;) But maybe they should skip going on Countdown
If I remember well, the amount of annual precipitation defines a desert.
Load More Replies...Although I have 9 years of college, this confused me when I moved from Phoenix to Denver. The air was drier and my skin peeled and I had nose bleeds. But obviously Denver isn't a desert. The word is "arrid" meaning dry air (even with snow on the ground.)
Not all deserts are dry. They have low rainfall, but low rainfall does not equal dry. I can see your point, but if you are indeed a teacher then you should be more careful when discussing the failures of students.
You went the wrong direction. Denver has wet ice on the ground but low humidity dry air above. Hence, it is said to be arrid.
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I always think these stories are exaggerated, but I teach private piano lessons and had a 9/10yo girl a few months back who admitted that she couldn’t read her (very basic) beginner level music theory book, nor could she write very well. First time I’ve seen it in person after decades of teaching.
I hope she didn’t mean she couldn’t read actual words. I mean, I always had a lot of trouble reading music notes.
That’s precisely what she meant. Music *theory* is written in words explaining musical notation and the rules. It’s the musical equivalent of a grammar book.
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Not a teacher but several people in my family are primary school teachers and teacher's assistants.
Most recent story i was told: for children's day, my cousin made bracelets to give to her 3rd grade class with a frase "happy children's day". A few of the kids couldn't read it.
She can't force the kids to learn bc the parents complain that she is abusing the kids by trying to teach them.
Is everyone ignoring that last sentence? The kids go to school, but the parents say she ABUSES them by teaching???
Because they're being 'forced' to do something - in this case learn.
Load More Replies...I'm sorry this hurts my soul. It's "phrase" not "frase". Maybe don't make fun of people who can't read when you yourself can't spell?
How short sighted on the part of the parents. Someday the parents will need to depend on these same children to care for them in their twilight years. Hard to do on wages from McDonald's . . . .
Not a teacher but when I was at trade school for my electrical certification the amount of high schoolers who came straight into trade school and couldn't do basic math or read the provided work books and retain the most basic info was insane.
By the end of the first semester 50% of them couldn't tell you what voltage even was, and 80% couldn't calculate voltage and current or resistance (it's literally a formula V=IR that you just plug the numbers into and get the answer)
The second semester left us with a class of 3 high schoolers who had good heads on them and the rest were like me 25-40 year olds who were changing careers.
What pyramid? It's Ohm's law. I don't know how much more basic it could get.
Load More Replies...This all sounds very American to me, I am not aware of any European kid in any of the countries having these deficiencies
Not this extreme, but there is a tendency towards "bulimic learning" that I've observed, where students cram the material for the next exam into their heads short-term, and "vomit" them on the paper. The problem is that they have no idea about the subject they "learned. Two weeks after the test it's all evaporated. Since we invented school to give people skills for life I find it alarming that a significant number of students seem to leave the school system with good marks and mostly blank hard drives. I do realise that not everything taught will actually be needed, but you'll never know WHICH bits are surplus until you need them, at which point it'll be a pain in the neck to fill the gap - likely using the tried and tested bulimia method. It's a theory that offers an explanation for the mind boggling number of nurses and doctors among the no vaxx scene. (BTW: I'm German)
Load More Replies...BP is slowly changing into a "grumpy old man" website. I teach ocasionally and most students are fine. There are slow ones sure, but that was true when I was a student as well. The only thing I can confirm is they often can't tell time on an analog clock. But then again, I can't use punched cards or a spinning wheel. Some skills just get obsolete over time.
What grade do you teach and how often is occasionally?
Load More Replies...I'm a university instructor and some of this resonates. Overall, I notice a general lack of curiosity about the world, a lack of empathy and lack of basic manners. Not most people, but the number increases every year. A couple of months ago, we had an in-class writing assignment and a 19-year-old student with an IB degree came up to me confused that I expected him to write on a piece of paper, and with pen (!) He said he hadn't done it for 3 years. I was so shocked that I just managed to get out "Well, do your best". And yeah, some can't read analog clocks.
How many billions of ads are kids subjected to now? Perhaps they're not helping in the slightest. Pretty sure ads cause brain damage. Wish we could stop this sh!t.
As a (technically) gen alpha child, I find it infuriating how so many of my peers seem to not even be listening to instructions. Once I was asked “what are we doing” after the teacher had repeated the instructions at least 7 times. Maybe I’m not the smartest myself, but it’s horrifying to see that these kids are going to be adults one day
Whelp, have fun, Gen Alpha. Looks like you've reached the age of being old enough to be stereotyped. Enjoy the think pieces. I'm sure they'll be just as riveting and nuanced as all the others.
In the 90's I got the opportunity to go to college late in life and I grabbed it. Because I had been out of school so long I chose to take a remedial English course for no credit just to get back in the groove. Granted it was a remedial course but when the teacher would have us grade each other's writing I was amazed at the number of recent grads who could not compose a proper sentence. It was the early 90's so these kids were born in the 70's I don't know what that generation is called but am only bringing it up to show the basic issue is not confined to the most recent generation.
This is not a generational thing. This is an 'old man yells at cloud' thing. Every previous generation thinks the ones that follow them are useless, and yet somehow we continue.
So are helicopter parents responsible for kids not knowing how to do stuff or problem solve. (Kid's parents *wash* him???)
I don't know where these stories come from but my son is a Zalpha and none of these apply to him or his friends. And I don't think they're the exception to the rule.
This all sounds very American to me, I am not aware of any European kid in any of the countries having these deficiencies
Not this extreme, but there is a tendency towards "bulimic learning" that I've observed, where students cram the material for the next exam into their heads short-term, and "vomit" them on the paper. The problem is that they have no idea about the subject they "learned. Two weeks after the test it's all evaporated. Since we invented school to give people skills for life I find it alarming that a significant number of students seem to leave the school system with good marks and mostly blank hard drives. I do realise that not everything taught will actually be needed, but you'll never know WHICH bits are surplus until you need them, at which point it'll be a pain in the neck to fill the gap - likely using the tried and tested bulimia method. It's a theory that offers an explanation for the mind boggling number of nurses and doctors among the no vaxx scene. (BTW: I'm German)
Load More Replies...BP is slowly changing into a "grumpy old man" website. I teach ocasionally and most students are fine. There are slow ones sure, but that was true when I was a student as well. The only thing I can confirm is they often can't tell time on an analog clock. But then again, I can't use punched cards or a spinning wheel. Some skills just get obsolete over time.
What grade do you teach and how often is occasionally?
Load More Replies...I'm a university instructor and some of this resonates. Overall, I notice a general lack of curiosity about the world, a lack of empathy and lack of basic manners. Not most people, but the number increases every year. A couple of months ago, we had an in-class writing assignment and a 19-year-old student with an IB degree came up to me confused that I expected him to write on a piece of paper, and with pen (!) He said he hadn't done it for 3 years. I was so shocked that I just managed to get out "Well, do your best". And yeah, some can't read analog clocks.
How many billions of ads are kids subjected to now? Perhaps they're not helping in the slightest. Pretty sure ads cause brain damage. Wish we could stop this sh!t.
As a (technically) gen alpha child, I find it infuriating how so many of my peers seem to not even be listening to instructions. Once I was asked “what are we doing” after the teacher had repeated the instructions at least 7 times. Maybe I’m not the smartest myself, but it’s horrifying to see that these kids are going to be adults one day
Whelp, have fun, Gen Alpha. Looks like you've reached the age of being old enough to be stereotyped. Enjoy the think pieces. I'm sure they'll be just as riveting and nuanced as all the others.
In the 90's I got the opportunity to go to college late in life and I grabbed it. Because I had been out of school so long I chose to take a remedial English course for no credit just to get back in the groove. Granted it was a remedial course but when the teacher would have us grade each other's writing I was amazed at the number of recent grads who could not compose a proper sentence. It was the early 90's so these kids were born in the 70's I don't know what that generation is called but am only bringing it up to show the basic issue is not confined to the most recent generation.
This is not a generational thing. This is an 'old man yells at cloud' thing. Every previous generation thinks the ones that follow them are useless, and yet somehow we continue.
So are helicopter parents responsible for kids not knowing how to do stuff or problem solve. (Kid's parents *wash* him???)
I don't know where these stories come from but my son is a Zalpha and none of these apply to him or his friends. And I don't think they're the exception to the rule.
