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Whoever thought of putting humans into hunks of metal connected together to form a box shape with an engine propelling it all forward must not have realized how incredibly chaotic things could get. Thank you, Karl Benz. That is very cool! Now, one of the most popular ways to travel is also one of the most deadly as well, thanks to what we know as human error. 

We tend to overestimate our skills by quite a bit, and although we may not be confident in asking our crush out for a date, we’re willing to crash our car just to make it through that orange light in time. Silly humans we are. Those silly moments have been captured in pictures or in car memes form by the Facebook group members called “Bad Drivers,” from which all these wonderfully chaotic pictures you’re scrolling through have come. 

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    WindySwede
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They need to get a bigger palette...... so boring with just one colour...

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    Let’s start from the very beginning—why do we love to drive in the first place? According to Despairrepair.com, the main factor is freedom. Not only does it give you a sense of control, but it also gives one the independence to choose when to travel, by which routes, when to stop, and what tunes to blast. 

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    It’s comfortable, it’s personable—there’s a reason a lot of people nickname their cars—and it's a fulfilling skill that needs continuous practice to upkeep. You can make it smell like your favorite perfume compared to the musty dusty stench of public transportation, and you don’t have to deal with strangers on the same scale. Not to mention the adrenaline rush that comes over you when you get to speed up. Lots of wins there for sure! 

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    Mason Kronol
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It means you need to buy black electrical tape.

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    However, there are those cases where things don’t go according to plan. Horrid weather conditions, an issue with the car itself, a negligent driver, or the simplest of human errors can cause some pretty gnarly accidents. The sheer possibility of that happening can keep a person from ever picking up driving or cause quite a bit of a headache for those who have no other choice. 

    So let’s look at some of the ways to help prevent one from landing up on a list such as this, beginning with the mechanical side of things. A dirty air filter, a dead battery, a flat tire, and random scratches are just a few of the most common issues that any driver will come across in their life. Thankfully, these seem to be easy enough to fix! 

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    troufaki13
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ι know it's funny but I wonder how many people would actually think this is true...

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    David
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No way I'm going to scratch my new bed liner when I could scratch the side of my pickup instead.

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    Elita One
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes me very glad that Australian logging trucks have gates on the back of the trailers to stop this from happening.

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    According to Find And Fund My Car, these are the best ways to fix common car problems. A dirty filter can lead to cooling and heating problems, so to replace an air filter, simply open the top of the filter box, which is found under the hood, towards the right-hand side. To replace it, simply buy a new one and slot it into the air filter box. Place it exactly like the old filter, and you shouldn’t run into any problems.

    A dead battery is one of the most common car breakdown problems, but to change it one needs a new battery, a wrench, a pair of gloves, and knowledge of electrical wiring. Firstly, remove the negative cable from the negative terminal; the two should be labeled with a + and -. Secondly, remove the positive cable from the positive terminal. Following that, loosen the battery hold-down, connectors, and fasteners.

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    If this sounds like too much already, just call a mechanic or ask your neighbor for help, but if you’re going to continue, then take the battery out. Give the clamps a good clean, place a new battery in, and secure all the connectors to the terminals. If it works, then your car will have power, if not, then… 

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    adam craker
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That tree knows what's up. Electric cars aren't actually all that good for the environment.

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    To be fair, they seem easy enough to fix, but as someone that doesn’t drive, I think this is all rocket science. Not to mention, these are just the tip of the iceberg of the potential problems that can occur. According to Servicing Master, other common car problems include but aren’t limited to: tires wearing unevenly, alternator failure, a leaking radiator, etc. It can get overwhelming. 

    Even if the car is fine, the negative feelings that follow the journey to the driver’s seat can be anything but pleasant. Brian Wind, Ph.D., a clinical psychologist at JourneyPure, argues that most people are afraid to drive because they fear something negative will happen. 

    “Sometimes, people have a panic attack when driving and then have a significant fear of that happening again. This leads some people to stop driving altogether,” he said. According to Wind, some other causes include past experiences of car accidents, being lost, traveling through heavy traffic, watching a bad car accident on television, having someone you know experience an accident, and a lack of trust in your driving skills. 

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    Laura Jackson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate when I snort my coffee up my nose looking at sh¡t like this! But it's the sh¡t like this that makes it so worth it!🤣

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    François Bouzigues
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sun screen is still a good idea. Prevents plastis from fadding, and really helps maintain a reasonable temperature in summer.

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    Headless Roach
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YES. Stop the car and run to the left!

    Paige Booke Reed
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    no, no, its one of those games where you must tap the arrow to do the dance moves.

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    Barry Patterson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My wife asked me if her turn signal was working. I said Yes, No, Yes , No.

    CGZ
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's that clicking sound? What's that clicking sound?

    Trillian
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't even know a BMW had those. Must be special order.

    Dan Flo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It shows where the speedometer needle is suppoused to be at.

    KimTx ‍️
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blinker fluid low on the left side. Stop where you are and don't move until it has been refilled.

    Zephyr343
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These things are usually optional equipment on most BMWs.

    ShaZam Beaubien
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is strange .... this must be why BMW drivers don't use them 🙄

    Josie Bisbano
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No worries. You're unlikely to see it again.

    KittyGotClaws
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Only be concerned if you don't want to turn left!

    Ava
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yesss!! blow the left horn! 😎

    Id row
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It just means you're low on blinker fluid.

    Collin Meade
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes theirs a big demon to the right so go left

    Charity Angel
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Always one of my favourite tricks when driving my parents' BMW - actually using the indicators. You can actually see the confusion on other drivers' faces 😁

    Farting Bee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, yes you should be concerned

    Leon Falcor
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weird, BMW doesn't usually include that function.

    Lady Vader
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm more concerned about whether or not you have passed your driving test! Having said that, I think (hope) this is a wind up!

    Shirley Heyn
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    . . . no, only if the car is also making a clicking noise.

    SobyKay
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes be very concerned that you dont know what this is!!!

    CharliAnn Olney
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just another example of just exactly how dumb the elites are.

    ThePalm52
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably means those little trumpets are going to start playing taps.

    MAKtheknife
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And they're driving a BMW no less.

    Vicki Cunningham
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one can be this lost! Must be a joke.

    Edward Tucker
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since when to BMWs have turn signals?

    Laura
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Omg. Do these people not have car manuals? Read it. Don’t take a picture and post it on social media.

    Cathy Moore
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This person doesn’t deserve a BMW

    Geordie Girl
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How do people pass tests these days?

    Suzie McDaniel
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should you even be driving if you don’t know what that light means. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

    Edie Hart
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did someone get their blinker fluid tank filled?

    ...
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It means you summoned Loki

    j miller
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your vehicle warning you that your opinions are becoming leftist.

    Logan Smith
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you should be concerned, that means that there is a trained missle heading directly to you from the left, drive like your life depends on it.

    Mudstick
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That green arrow means that you can now legally go at least 100 mph (that's where it's pointing) if you can get the Big Money Waster up to that speed

    Carman Davis
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This right here proves ppl don't care about their turn signals

    Tish Hankins
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's time to change your blinker fluid!

    Izzy_
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    BMW drivers living up to the stereotype lol

    Lolly Gagger
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    K, honest question: this stereotype of BMW drivers not using their indicators, where did that come from? Or what region of the world does this stereotype exist? BMW is a German car and aren’t German roads known for being pretty safe with good drivers? The BMW drivers I know are pretty great drivers. Can someone explain this thing to me please? I genuinely want to understand

    Henrik Schmidt
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So this trope may not be as true in Germany itself, but elsewhere, BMW drivers have a (somewhat deserved) reputation for not being too concerned about other drivers (or people in general). Presumably because it's mostly a certain type of person (the "Middle Manager" type) that prefer to drive BMW's.

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    SeVeRuS sNaPe
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Someone wasn't paying attention during their driving test.

    Detroit Citizen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. That green is to indicate you are not driving your BMW fast enough, its showing the speedometer. There is one on the right to warn you that you arent revving your engine at the red light either. The more you know...

    Serial pacifist
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, the car is not moving, you are at 0 mph, so you should be concerned about that. Definitely start the car before turning left.

    Pieter LeGrande
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, I'd say you need to be worried.

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    The fact is: no matter how good you think you are, there’s always room for improvement when it comes to driving. As stated by RAC, the key to becoming a better human on the road is consistent practice and obedience to the rules. Speed limits are a maximum, not a target; adjust your driving to fit the hazards (such as rain, ice, tornado, etc.); don’t tailgate (you’re just being nasty); and treat driving with respect. 

    If you’re being safe and respectful, there’s at least one less hazard on the road that could cause trouble for all around them. So what did we learn today? Keep your car nice and working, and don’t be a donkey on the road, otherwise you’ll end up on a list that makes people cackle. As you continue scrolling, keep upvoting, leaving comments in your wake, and I shall see you in the next one! 

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    Mistiekim
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think that means you can buy illegal cleaning supplies in that neighborhood.

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    EP
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I sense there is a joke here about cops going underwater to be undercover, but it’s not coming to me.

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    Paulo Freitas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Brake 1st you only depress your clutch when the car starts to stall, that way the engine Will help the car slow down as well ( assuming you downshift wille you slow down, if not... It doesn't matter ) and puts less stress on the brakes.

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    Barbra E. Nyberg
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Valid proif you weren't driving it, i would think.

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    Mrs. EW
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A tow truck towing a tow truck! Rarely ever seen in the wild.

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    EP
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m impressed by the ingenuity of the idea and stumped by the stupidity to actually do it.

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    KittyGotClaws
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think looking under the hood is going to help.

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    Margaret H
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was supposed to be a thread about bad drivers. True, the design of this car is lousy, but who says the driver is bad? It could be Grandma with a perfectly clean record driving her a**hole of a grandson's car! (Though KittyGotClaws has a point - it IS Wal-mart, after all!)

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    KittyGotClaws
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What you don't know won't hurt you! Maybe...

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    Sally Smith
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the words of captain slow. .....oh 🐓

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    Domi
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When a visitor refuses to leave.

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    Sander
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not very clear you can't drive in there, or am I missing something?

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    LK
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm.... the clutch is 'pause'?

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    JoMeBee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What?! How!?! I use more twine to hold my xmas tree on!! Why would anyone think this was gonna work out okay???

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    Raven Sheridan
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If it's stupid, but it works, then it ain't stupid.

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    MargyB
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes me laugh cos I had a 1971 Honda Civic in the early nineties and it had air horns that got stuck randomly one night about 2 am.

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    Shayne Randlett
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Another victim of the ol' Viagra in the gas tank gag

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    Undercover
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The children never slept deeper... and longer!

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    KittyGotClaws
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are these charging stations.... Under water? Nope.

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    JoMeBee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is the car made out of, marshmallow?

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    Ken Hanlon
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well he doesn't have to worry about swallowing flies or bugs at least so there's some logic to it.

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    ThatG
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Go home Optimus… you’re drunk!

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    KittyGotClaws
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope this is a ticket. Dude take a lunch break!

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    KittyGotClaws
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what vehicles look like after 4 years driving in Ohio where they salt the roads.

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    Jojo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LITERALLY what my other half did when I asked him to help me with the rattling exhaust 🤣

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    KittyGotClaws
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't know the significance if the sign, but I do remember that the autobahn has/had no speed limit. Not sure if that's still the case.

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    Jojo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've done exactly that when changing the clutch pedal in my car 😂 Too much hassle to take the seat out lol

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    My O My
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mercedes light + windscreen wiper control on just one handle is complicated though

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    Šimon Špaček
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not that bad, somebody just forgot in which direction they want to go. And because only one track is there, it was quite safe to do.

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    Mason Kronol
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have encountered this way too many times. Also my mom did this while driving me to the foot Dr. I decided I was safer driving with a busted foot than being driven into oncoming traffic. My mom hasn't been in any accidents but I can't say how many she caused...

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    David
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is good to know. I just got quoted several hundred for new front shocks and coils. This is going to save me a ton!

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    Cyber Returns
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how much lube he had to use on that thing

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    KittyGotClaws
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks like the sign might have got bashed, too...

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    Spocks's Mom
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At least you don't have to disconnect the camper when you go mudding.

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    Cyber Returns
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weeeellllllll, it's not an EXACT match, but I think we can get away with it

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