“What’s Something People Think Is Unethical, But You Don’t See A Problem With?” (31 Answers)
When you do a certain action, do you ever consider whether it is an ethical thing to do? If yes, how do you decide what is good or bad? After all, we, people, are all different, which means that we likely have somewhat different views on what is moral or immoral.
In today's list, you will find plenty of examples of actions whose morality can be debated. By that, we mean that while some people view these things as the biggest sins, others do not stress over them that much. So, let's dive in, see what these takes are, and let's discuss whether we agree with them or not!
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Public health measures like vaccines and fluoride should be mandatory.
Parents should not be allowed to decide if their children get vaccines.
I am still astonished by the idea vaccines are bad, if you've read anything about what life was like before them, you'd feel quite differently. Who wants a world where half the population doesn't see ten?
Vaccines are mandatory (unless child is immuno-suppressed etc) to enrol in childcare and school in Australia and it's not as easy as the US to take on homeschooling. Despite this, a recent thing I read said vaccination numbers have gone down in the last two years.
In USA I remember having to provide my kids vaccine records for school. Not sure why or if I understand why that changed and my kids for a moment went to a private Christian school due to my sons illness and public school not caring for his needs not because of religious reasons.
The only valid exceptions for vaccination are medical. There are people who can’t have certain vaccines because of allergies or sensitivities to certain components, and there are people whose immune systems are too compromised to withstand even a vaccine-level exposure. These are the people the rest of us get vaccinated to protect via herd immunity. Superstition should not be permitted to compromise public health.
Vaccines were fine until the focus became making money instead of preventing disease. Use your own judgment before taking any medication.
Bullsh*t. You're not a medical expert. F**k you and your arrogance that kills others
Load More Replies...One problem is that the vaccine schedule for children has never been tested for the safety of giving so many vaccines, and there is reportedly a deficiency of safety testing even for the individual vaccines. So that means that the safety vs efficacy hasn't really been properly evaluated. Parents should be allowed to decide based on full disclosure. There are a lot of toxins in vaccines and some scientists believe the effects are cumulative. It's essential to educate people on the risks both of not taking the vaccines and of taking them. For the record, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I insist on full information, which is not always easily available. As for fluoride, it is good for teeth, but has also been shown to be detrimental to the brain and intelligence. It's in almost all toothpaste, so why does it need to be in the drinking water? People need to be taught how to care for their teeth. Why aren't things like this taught in schools?
Antivaxx shytes like you should be abandoned on some lonely island. Then you'll be safe. If only you would suffer from polio, measles and all those illnesses, nobody would care.
Load More Replies...I saw 7 family members died during covid, and another 9 friends. Vaccines see rigorous testing before they're ever given to the public, and in the very, very rare instances that an issue is even alluded to, those vaccines are pulled immediately. Every medication, and in fact everything you do in life comes with some level of risk. The point is to weigh that risk against alternative consequences. Polio has a 2-5% fatality rate in children, and 15-30% in adults, measles will hospitalize 25% of those infected, Across all flavors of smallpox, fatality rate is north of 30%, while hemorrhagic smallpox is almost always fatal. Monkeypox fatality rate is as high as 10%, HPV is estimated to cause 12%–63% of oropharyngeal cancers, 36%–40% of penile cancers, 40%–64% of vaginal cancers, and 40%–51% of vulvar cancers.
Load More Replies...Please remember when this happened. "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there," - L.P. Hartley.
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Most people agree here i think and hope: but some schools punishes the bully victim for standing up for themselves instead of the bully. Some people deserve (and only learn) when they get punched.
Luckily my son's school has cameras so when a he got caught punching another kid, they saw on the cameras that he was defending himself. He did get reprimanded for punching, but no real trouble. The other kid did get suspended thankfully.
Story of my entire f*****g childhood. Oh, those boys were throwing things at your head for the entire maths class while I did nothing? You finally lost your temper and yelled, so therefore it's all your fault! Now I will humiliate you in front of everyone while the bullies who caused all this watch and laugh! RRRRRRGH
Typical of my school experience as well. Bullies had free reign. It was only the victims who were subject to "zero tolerance". Disgusting.
Load More Replies...i was in school during "no tolerance." didn't matter who started the fight, or if the victim didn't even fight back. both were punished equally. so stupid.
It should be a restorative practice model, instead of these zero tolerance ones.
Yup. School bully in grade 4,i punched in the stomach after he told me I was a homo (80s) and then always pantsed me. I said not today, he did and I decked that fat boy. Never did it again. I fact he never bothered me for the rest of school
There is a certain current section of Society that think it is wrong to punch (neo)n@zis…they are of course…wrong.
MOST of the schools, not SOME. You can't fight back anymore when being bullied , even when it's turned into a physical a*****t. I wish they would start pressing legal charges against the kids who physically attack, along with the parents who've obviously done a garbage job by raising garbage kids.
In my state, the student and their parents are given the option to press charges with the police as long as the assaulted child didn’t hit back. But it is sickening to see all of these schools with “zero tolerance” policies for bullying do nothing to the bully until things get really bad.
Load More Replies...I was picked on by one of the ‘cool kids’ until one day I’d had enough and I pushed her over. She never bothered me again. It wasn’t a big deal as she wasn’t hurt but she realised I wasn’t taking it anymore. I regret nothing.
Disagreeing with someone’s cultural practices. Not saying you should make them feel like s**t or actively stop them or whatever, but it’s okay to say “I understand that that’s your culture, but I don’t agree with it and think it’s unethical”
Tradition ≠ immune to critique.
Especially cultural practices such as women can't drive or women have to dress a certain way.
Not to mention female genital mutilation.
Load More Replies..."That may be your culture, but it's not mine " - we can all say that, if we choose.
Many people try to hide their abuse behind cultural and religious claims.
This applies to, for example, the treatment of animals in islamistic slaughtering. Them being distressed is a known and proven fact. Them needing to be sentient while dying is sadistic and, at best, a very adventurous claim, politely stated. And so much more, so many more... Religion, here, delivers, of course, as it is the only thing allowing to openly disregard facts and prefer fiction, and getting away with it. Doing this, the sentient slaughtering, should land you in jail for years straight!
While I agree that religion shouldn't justify torturing animals, I disagree with pointing out only one religion. The Christian doctrine that Man shall "subdue the Earth" has us led to just as horrible t*****e - and it still does, because this doctrine was incorporated into Western capitalism.
Load More Replies...From when we are little, we are taught to be good people and to behave appropriately. But when you think about it, what exactly is a good deed and what is a bad deed? Who decides such things?
This kind of thinking can be referred to as “morality”. In a nutshell, it’s a categorization of intentions, decisions, and actions into those that are proper and improper. These standards can derive from a particular philosophy, religion, culture, or universal social norms.
Abortion.
There are many reasons to have one + politicians should not be in charge of making this decision.
No one should be in charge of my healthcare decisions except my doctor and me. Period.
Load More Replies...Whether I agree or disagree with abortion, it should be left up to the women!
When it comes to abortion, men should just sit TF down and shut TF up.
Women (and men) should have free birth control and access to s*x education starting at age 12. The choice to use birth control (and abortion) should be up to the woman. Men should not be allowed to use a woman solely as incubators.
Many girls start their periods a lot younger than 12 - so needs to be younger than that. Age appropriate, for sure. It should be the parents but not everyone has them or may not have good ones.
Load More Replies...I have p***s and don't have an opinion but women should be allowed to have the say.
A LOT of people don't understand that a miscarriage IS a type of abortion. The body is aborting the " foreign" item that is ( at the time ) toxic and harmful to the mother. . It's a natural , non medical assisted abortion. And women NEED the aftercare that a hospital or clinic provides for this... As some of the fetus can remain , get infected , and cause the mother to pass on... Source :https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiAzOa977CNAxWj78kDHSPgMCAQFnoECBYQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.clevelandclinic.org%2Fhealth%2Fdiseases%2F9688-miscarriage%23%3A~%3Atext%3DA%2520miscarriage%2520(also%2520called%2520a%2Cbecause%2520the%2520fetus%2520stops%2520growing.&usg=AOvVaw3YVflt8xPRN1IQfxAJdqRK&opi=89978449.
A miscarriage (also called a spontaneous abortion) is the unexpected ending of a pregnancy in the first 20 weeks of gestation. Just because it's called a “miscarriage” doesn't mean you did something wrong in carrying the pregnancy. Most miscarriages are beyond your control and occur because the fetus stops growing.
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Euthanasia.
As seen on other BP posts, we do it for our pets or other suffering animals and it needs to normalized among humans.
Which is ironic when you consider we can't actually get consent from pets and other animals.
Load More Replies...I fully support this, even did one of my reports in medical billing school on it. If you have a degenerative disease or have terminal cancer, you should have the option of going out your way instead of living through the pain until you die. I am sure that if it was legal in Washington in the 90s, my grandma would have chosen that way to go. She had ALS and had to go through hell before she died. My stepdad on the other had had stage 4 metastatic cancer, which is terminal, and he opted to get the meds for this, he did end up passing before using them though. This was only 5 years ago.
Even a curable condition should allow for one's choice. I'd rather die of a stroke at 60 than sink into dementia and die at 91 having lost the essence of who I am like my grandfather. By the time his body stopped working, my grandpa had been gone for a whole decade; I don't want that.
Load More Replies...We have to be very careful with this, though I generally support it. However, there are many cases of caregivers murdering the person they're caring for, and I'm afraid that permitting human euthanasia would be ripe for abuse. I think if it was passed, it would need to be accompanied by funds to help care for those who need help, to take some of the burden off family caregivers, as well as counseling for the person who wishes to die and their loved ones, and proper pain management.
The US spends $5,000,000,000,000 on health care overall, with the government accounting for $1.9 trillion of that....and 12-15% of all health care spending, goes to "end of life care" Except it's not care, it's an attempt to prolong the lives of the elderly and terminal, often without their consent and or in direct opposition of their wishes. I will never understand how the prolonging of suffering is viewed as the "moral" imperative.
So I am against Euthanasia so long as health insurance is provided by for-profit companies. The problem with Euthanasia is that it can be abused and pretty seriously so. How long before euthanasia is the only "treatment " covered by insurance for a serious but treatable disease, but euthanasia is cheaper? What happens when a low income person chooses euthanasia because they don't want to be a financial burden on their family because the treatment for their condition is too expensive? Of course, we also have the question of "who decides?" The potential for abuse is way to large. Maybe, if the decision were being OKed by a medical board that could be trusted, I would be OK with it.
Strictly a U.S. problem. If you had proper universal health care, this would not be an issue.
Load More Replies...I saw a discussion on this on TV some time ago, someone from where it is already legal said that knowing that the option is there if the pain becomes too much enables people to cope with the pain better, knowing this escape is available in fact actually helps them live longer and happier.
Kind of a future thing, but any scientific treatments to reduce or eliminate diseases before they can happen, like gene editing. Like, if you could prevent your child from getting Down Syndrome through gene editing. Some people say that would be eugenics or genocide of disabled people, but I disagree. If you can guarantee a healthy baby, you should.
A "genocide of disabled people" would be killing those that exist, not preventing their numbers from increasing. The polio vaccine was not a genocide of those that already had the disease.
Depends on the disability. Autism and Adhd being erased is criminal, leg problems is not (coming as someone who has/is all three)
Load More Replies...AHAHahahah "genocide of disabled ppl" is clearly deluded virtue signaling going way too far... Ask anyone with a disability if they would remove a clearly negative mutation had they the choice... Why is this even an issue??? As soon as i was born i had to do multiple surgeries. I was not even 1 week old! This must be coming from religions or modern day culty "progressive" and "empathic" echo chambers.
Yeah, darling, for someone who clearly never has looked into history and how the term "disabled" has been abused, you have quite a big mouth. They forgot to do surgery on that when you were born. Start learning and be less of an arrogant t**t.
Load More Replies...Problem is when it comes to whether you should be able to choose things like eye colour, not stopping disabilities.
Even tho logically I don't really see an issue with this. It "feels" wrong. I don't know why, but it does not sit well with me to custom build your babies. I would say tho that if the technology exists for adults to "'customize" their genes then it stops being a wrong feeling issue altogether. If you don't like the hair color your parents picked. You can change it. I guess it "feels" wrong because it is a choice the parents make deliberately and not simply a "random" lottery one... Even tho it is not really that random as you have an idea based on what the 2 partners look like... So overall i am neutral on this. If i cant logically explain something i can't judge people for it.
Load More Replies...100%...Society has just overcorrected to an insane degree. There's a big difference between eradicating discrimination of those inflicted with disabilities and trying to elevate those disabilities to something that needs to be protected and perpetuated. I'm half deaf (60-40 hearing loss) It's not a culture...it's a disability that overtly negatively impacts my life. Every single day. Same with my crippling ADHD.
That suggests that some things are more commonly viewed as (im)moral, while others are more dependent on various factors. For instance, ending someone’s life is viewed as one of the most immoral things you can do. Yet, when it comes to something smaller, for example, violating etiquette rules or lying, the morality of that can be debated, as opinions might differ.
Let’s take today's list as an example. It’s a collection of things people named in an online thread under the question, “What's something people usually think is unethical, but you personally don't see a problem with?”
Those backpack leashes on children. Kid can explore and parent doesn't have to worry about people snatching them if they turned their back for a second.
Oh, they'll walk right up to a parent and yell at them for treating a child like A dog, I've seen it happen.
Load More Replies...honestly my only concern would be the child learning to rely on the leash and not learning self awareness and situational awareness. But that's probably not a huge issue.
I think it's a transitional idea, helpful for a time. That said, I just once had to pull a family member back off the road just as a vehicle came by - they hadn't checked, and they'd have been strawberry jam if they'd gone further. But boy! Did I get a telling off!
Load More Replies...In the UK we have reins and I wore them. They then became unfashionable and kids were allowed to roam free. Then James Bulger happened and they came back for a while.
I used to dash off. So I had what they called reins - a harness basically Not dead or drowned
when my daughter was little using reins was quite normal, I was glad to be using them on London's underground when she was about 2 or 3 .
Cutting your parents out of your life.
Look, my father was a*shole and neglectful. This wasn't something I chose, it was something I did to protect myself and my son, and there wasn't any other choice. If it's an ugly necessity, so be it.
I did this, and a coworker kept texting me Bible verses that I needed to forgive them. First off, I'm atheist so that's annoying, second of all Proverbs 22:24-25 Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man lest you learn his ways and entangle yourself in a snare.
Well done for confronting a believer with what their 'Holy Book' actually says !
Load More Replies...My appendix was once part of me, but when it turned toxic and started actively trying to upset me and harm me, I got it cut out without hesitation. Keeping an abus1ve parent in your life just because you're part of the family is illogical. If a person is causing you harm, whether that's physical, emotional or psychological, they should lose the privilege of staying in your life.
Yeah, your REAL family is the one who loves you and has your back no matter what. Ideally, that would include your biological relatives, but sadly not always.
Load More Replies...If they deserve it, you are doing them a favor. Wake up calls can happen.
I feel like this might get me a ton of hate but I’m willing to entertain any counter-arguments,
But I think it’s fair to openly criticize someone’s religion. If you’re gonna openly believe in something you should be able to back it up.
I don't care about anyone's religious beliefs until they attempt to put it in schools or laws.
You should be able to back it up if you're attempting to influence people or society. if you keep your mouth shut, you can believe whatever crazy stuff you like.
Back it up with *what* ? Religions are belief systems, not scientific hypotheses; if you choose to believe one 'Holy Book', you've chosen not to believe all the others. Believe what you want, just don't claim that I have to obey the laws of your religion.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is anyone, like, NOT allowed / free to criticize religion? Even if just this website: you can't have a post that portrays religion in positive or even neutral light without anti-theists flocking in with their stupid "magical sky daddy" rants. I'm not religious myself, just an observation.
I think that attitude is along the line of saying a woman isn't a fan of a band unless they can tell you everything about every band member. If they are pushing their religion onto someone, then by all means criticize and challenge them but if you're doing it just because they believe in something then you're bit of an AH.
There are plenty of people who need to believe in something that helps them and if they're causing no harm, what business is it of mine? Live and let live. But if someone's going to get antagonistic and berate me for not following their line of thinking, then that's when I'll walk away.
Absolutely...and do so without fear of being arrested for a hate crime. Someone once said that violence is the repartee of the illiterate; in this case, it's the repartee of those who can't justify their stance.
I prefer people with good character. Funnily enough, their beliefs suddenly don't matter.
Religious beliefs are just that—beliefs. They are not absolute realities, no matter what text or founder they are based on. Only when they are used to justify wrong actions, like war or genocide or oppression, is it a problem. Or when they try to force their beliefs on others. But it should be noted that not everyone who belongs to the same religion necessarily supports those wrong actions. Criticizing someone for having different beliefs is wrong. What they do with their beliefs can certainly be open to criticism. It's the individual that's the problem. Not the religion.
Why would someone be required to be an apologist simply because someone thinks they need to defend their beliefs? That's absurd, are they ready to defend the stupidity THEY spout simply to stir the pot? The OP may not be a person of any faith, but who TF are they to challenge the belief system of ANYONE?
Here, you can find situations like people cutting their parents out of their lives. For some, this action might seem so immoral, they can’t even bring themselves to consider such an idea.
For others, it is a reality, something they have considered doing or have done. The reasons behind it can be various, but one of the most common is when the parent-child relationship is so toxic or even violent, it severely harms a person's well-being, and so going no-contact is the only way to heal.
I've had several people tell me it's not ethical to job hop. Like, I should stay with any given company for a minimum of 3 years.
F**k that. Any company on the planet would sell your organs if it were legal and profitable. Anyone can be fired at a moment's notice.
If I can give myself a 10% raise to take a new job, I owe it to my family's future to do that.
edit: In response to a few messages I've received: I'd be more than happy to stay at a single company for the rest of my life, if their salary bumps were in line with the market and my growing skill level. I've never worked anywhere, ever, that did more than 1% above inflation, and they expected you to be damned near obsequious with gratitude over it. Meanwhile every new job I've ever taken was a minimum 10% raise.
I don't know about other countries but most states have the "At Will" employment clause, where you can get fired at any time, for any reason. So f**k staying with a company who couldn't care less about me. If I get a better job, I'm taking it.
To expand on Janelle's "At Will" mention. You can also fire the company for any reason at any time. What I mean is, if you work in an "At Will" state, there are NO federal, state or local laws that require you to sign anything when you quit/put in your two weeks notice. They will tell you that you have to, but you don't. Offer to take copies of whatever they want you to sign and tell them you'll mail back whatever your attorney tells you to sign.
Load More Replies...If they can fire you at zero notice, why should you feel bad about (effectively) firing them with the same warning? Thank heavens so many countries have workers' rights laws.
The company I worked for sure as hell didn't have any loyalty to me so why should I give a toss if I'm loyal back? Not making THAT mistake again. I should have quit before they made me redundant for the stupidest reasons on the planet.
I stayed 19 years in my last work. Wages raise almost every year, according to the inflation, bonus at the end of the years with good profit and hiring staff when needed.
Kind of a long read but I feel it's worth it: The **Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)** provides wage data by occupation for the nation, regions, states, and metropolitan areas[](https://www.bls.gov/bls/blswage.htm "1"). You can explore salaries for over 800 professions, categorized by industry and job characteristics. Another useful resource is **HowMuchForAnHour.com**, which offers a searchable database of average hourly and annual wages across all 50 states[](https://www.howmuchforanhour.com/ "2"). Knowing what you are worth helps balance the power deficit in employee vs. management discussions. They evaluate you. You are also allowed to evaluate them.
"At will" means you can get fired, but it's also YOUR will to keep working there as well. Remember that. You have choices. It is not all about the employer by any means. Workers control the means of production.
If "at will" meant you could inform an employer that you'll be working there for a while for pay, sure, you're right. "Your will to keep working there" ends when they fire you, Katie, in spite of your will.
Load More Replies...I agree. Way back when, you got a job, you stayed in it. You were taken care of by the boss. Regular raises, good healthcare, and a pleasant place to work. Most stayed because their needs were met, and they were comfortable. This was the late 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Then the big guys started playing games; no guarantees, etc., so the employees started to follow their lead and left when they saw a better job, better pay. It's gotten worse and will continue to do so. Of course, this is about middle management. Lower incomes didn't have it quite as good.
Screening calls/not being constantly available just because I’m available. I saw your call come in. No, I’m not busy. Voicemail or text and I’ll get back to you when I get back to you.
Being physically available (awake and not at work) and emotionally/mentally available are not the same thing for me, and certain people take issue with that.
Although there was a time when you called your friends to chat, which was a wonderful way to strengthen bonds. And then God created telemarketers.
99% of the calls I get are scammers anyway. My current record: FIVE scam calls in one day, four of them all in the same hour.
and they happen when you move a high amount of money in your account. Like after selling your vintage vehicle. Tell me that is not a coincidence!
Load More Replies...This one should be higher. It’s not illegal to ignore a ringing phone.
Have to do this now because of the sheer number of scam, donation solicits, and marketing calls I get each day (Yeah, I know... there's a fine line between all of those)
Luckily telephones have a silent mode.. Send me a message, I will answer back whenever I want to... I'm a teacher, so I don't need to be available 24/7...
i practice this every day, in personal and business life. i have chronic migraines, so sometimes i can work from home, but i'm wearing sunglasses and headphones. i'm not fit for a phone call. email me.
Never leave me a VM. I don't text. If it's that d**n important business types can just call.
That violence is inherently bad/wrong.
Yeah, sometimes violence is the answer. Sayings like "turn the other cheek" have been b*********d of their original meaning. I’m not saying go around causing chaos for every little thing, but I can’t help rolling my eyes when people say "violence is never the answer", because honestly, there are times it’s the only thing that gets results.
People who say "violence is never the answer" never specify what the question was.
The question was "Can I get away with this?", combined with violence.
Load More Replies...Bullies COUNT on you 'turning the other cheek'. As long as there are no consequences, it is tacit approval for them to continue.
Monsters weaponise our own tolerance and desire for peace and harmony against us so they can hurt people without facing any real retaliation. They always have and they always will. With some people, being polite and reasonable is not an option.
Struggling to find a verb to fit the asterisks - I get the gist, but any ideas what it was?
It's called the "paradox of violence". If you let violence win, you're enabling it; if you fight back, you're accepting that it is an allowable way of settling disputes. Very few people are morally and physically strong enough to get up, again and again, having been stomped down, and say "you're not persuading me by just hitting me". Bruises and scars are trophies for the bully, not the bullied, except in the rare cases when they are worn with pride. Gandhi was an unusual person.
Gandhi was not the person we should be looking up to, given the trash s**t he did tbh
Load More Replies...If you look at the history of social change the people in power only pay attention when property is attacked.
I am more an eye for an eye type, so, whatever someone does to someone else, I feel they accept it can be done to them, too.
Another practice of debatable morality mentioned in this list is “Consuming art/media you enjoy made by terrible people”; basically, the idea of “love the art, hate the artist.” This phenomenon is quite often debated online – does embracing it make you a terrible person, can you actually separate the art from the artist?
One of the newest and most prominent examples of this is the conversation about J.K. Rowling. As you may or may not know, for the last couple of years, the author has been publicly going after the transgender community.
Public nudity. Obviously not performing obscene acts, and we can all stand behind keeping public utilities sanitary. But places like the beach? Locker rooms? Hell, even certain types of entertainment venues, human bodies are human bodies. Maybe if we were a bit more used to seeing them, we wouldn't fixate on so many insecurities or have unrealistic expectations of the average person.
And it's rather ridiculous, considering what we find acceptable in bathing suits, it's not like we have no idea what you look like.
Most bathingsuits are just underwear for in the water. I find it so silly that you wouldn't go walking around in your underwear in public, but swap it for a bikini or trunks and suddenly it's no issue (not that I would recommed everyone start promenading in their underwear lmao)
Load More Replies...I just want everyone's genitals covered if they're touching something. Not for modesty reasons, but because we all know how bad people are about washing their hands; I don't trust that they're washing their genitals.
I suspect that it's considered impolite because some people confuse "s*x is mostly done naked" with "naked means I'm wanting s*x". Once you are past this bad logic, skin is just skin. And swimming with clothes on feels strange after you get used to skinny-dipping !
This is a cultural difference as well as a religious hangover. It would be incumbent on people to be mature...which is why is probably won't happen for a very long time, if ever.
Perfectly acceptable in many places in Europe.
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Honestly? GMOs. Especially crops that have been engineered to have higher yields and grow in environments currently too harsh for most crops to survive in, let alone grow in great abundance.
Or mosquitoes that have been modified to have shorter lifespans and therefore limit how malaria-causing microbes within them can develop; effectively reducing the death rate of one of the planet's biggest killers just now.
Like I get the concern surrounding GMOs and how they can go wrong (Jurassic Park is essentially an allegory of abusing the technology behind GMOs for capitalist gain), but all we really need to mitigate those issues is proper laws and legislations to make sure the technology is used responsibly.
Humanity has been " GMOING " the F out of everything since civilization started. So to me it is about making sure it is all as safe as can be.
Selective breeding and GMO are not the same. You don't selective breed fly DNA into tomatoes. You can only selectively breed two different types of tomatoes. With GMO you can have the DNA of ANYTHING in your food. Not to mention GMO seeds can't replicate, so you've taken that function away from nature and that means that you have to buy new seed every year, effectively enriching the company who OWNS the seeds. You can't save and harvest seeds from GMO items. It also prepares them to be saturated in toxins, that you then go on to eat in the resulting plant. Thanks but NO thanks.
Load More Replies...Just where do people think crops come from? Wheat has been cultivated since at least 9600 BC. Generation upon generation of farmers selectively cross bred different grasses until they developed a domesticated form of wheat, and then selectively bred it until they got a better yield of grain. Farmers have been modifying plant genomes for thousands of years. GMO technology just speeds up that process.
GMOs is very broad, i.e. broccoli is a GMO plant, just been around so long people do not realize.
I don't have a problem with GMO's themselves....humans have been engaging in selective breeding for centuries. The issue i have is with the circumstances that GMO produce perpetuates. Industrialized farming relies on monoculture crops. Season after season they plant the same thing, which destroys soil health. (nearly 60% of the entire planets airable topsoil has already been destroyed, and at the current rate we'll surpass 95% in the next couple of decades) So chemical and mineral fertilizers are dumped into the soil...it's a bandaid, that doesn't totally solve the problem for the current crop, while making the problem worse for every subsequent crop....that's why GMO's. They're meant to sidestep the issue without actually addressing it. The reality is, that the farming methods which were standard before industrialized farming took root in the 1960's, Companion planting, that naturally replenishes soil health, rotating crops to ensure soil isn't depleted..continued.
results in similar, to BETTER YEILD, with plants that are more resilient to pests, disease, and frost, require less water and pesticides, while having better taste and nutritional content. Over the past decade or so, there's been a quiet but steady movement to re-incorporate these abandoned farming methods, and the results have been better than anyone expected. It's cheaper with better results....the issue lies with government subsidies that encourage farmers to plant the same stuff, year after year while everyone ignores the waste and destruction that brings about.
Load More Replies...If mosquitoes can be modified to have shorter lifespans, why don't they modify them to a 10 seconds lifespan so they all die and don't wake me up at 5 am when I am deeply asleep? I hate mosquitoes... and ants... I hate ants too...
It's not GMOs that are wrong, it's that the economical value of any product determines when we start it, often being too early or too late, and when we introduce their replacement, often too early or too late. Scientific understanding of what we're actually doing is the only way to have some sort of reliable clue about something being a net win or net loss. Economy is a subsystem to society, meant to serve the latter. Not the other way. We've done this so often, I actually wonder why it isn't met with furious opposition every time they try again.
Having indoor cats. Outdoor cat people have called me a*****e for having an indoor cat, because “cats shouldn’t be inside and need enrichment”. Yeah ok. Nevermind the fact indoor cats live double the amount of time compared to outdoor cats. Who’s the neglectful cat owner again? 🙄 Plus I hate the idea that being outside is the only kind of enrichment that exists for cats… but even if it was true you can walk them on a leash or catio anyway if you really want so they can go outside safely and not be in harms way. .
Average lifespan of outdoor cats: 6-9 years, average age of indoor cats: 13-17 years. Both my outdoor cats were hit by cars when I was a child. 😔 And... They're such good hunters they can create huge imbalances in the local animals.
We always had outdoor cats, in UK in towns not big cities. Most of our cats made to around 20yrs. It does depend on what your outdoors looks like.
There are coyotes where I live. Outdoor cats are appetizers for them. Wish we could let our kitty out occasionally.
Load More Replies...When I was a kid we had two cats who were "outdoor" cats. One was fatally hit by a car and the other disappeared never to be seen again.
There is a cat curfew where I live and some areas nearby have complete bans on cats outside. They do so much damage to native birds and animals. Also, it's not just cars that can k**l cats outside, snail and other baits (a childhood cat of mine was killed this way, not that I like the use of poisons either) as well as fights with other animals and transmissible diseases are all factors.
My cats like to go out in theirs and look at the neighbor's cats in their window, looking at mine
Load More Replies...My cats get to go out at least once a week, while i supervise. plenty of cats are quite happy indoors as long as they get to run and play.
yeah, so which bit is so enriching about the outdoors again? The cars on the roads? The other cats they fight with and give them diseases? The protected wildlife they murder? The psychopaths that capture and t*****e them? When cats were outside only they were aloof and unfriendly and no one really wanted them. In the last 50 years when people started keeping them inside and playing with them, suddenly we have realised what fun they are. Who woulda thunkit....
Not to mention how many wild birds outdoor cats slaughter. It's a serious problem that few people seem to think about.
We have indoor cats because of the road near our house, but there is also this barn cat, that showed up and stayed. He is neutered, now well fed (by us), has a dry, warm place to sleep in his (our) barn - he goes for mice and even rats (good boi!!!), but ignores birds completely
Load More Replies...This insulted not only transgender fans of Harry Potter, but the community’s allies, both from the LGBTQ+ and straight sides. They then started questioning whether it is moral to consume Harry Potter media when the author is so vocally transphobic.
Some suggested “separating artists from the art”, since it is hard to boycott a story you grew up with, while others said this doesn’t work in this case and they should kiss the beloved story goodbye. Till this day, this debate is going on. And people are choosing sides depending on their moral compass.
Being "rude" in a lot of ways, such as being honest about your discomfort with someone, or telling a stranger when they're behaving inconsiderately in a public place, etc.
I personally love it when people do me this service, and I learn from it.
Nuance is needed. Being honest can be rude and be honest doesn't give you a free pass to be rude. The excuses of "but I'm just being honest" while being an inconsiderate p***k. Being honest can also be done with compassion, empathy and also sometimes not voicing your opinion or voicing the (often obvious truth) is the best option.
Apparently it is unethical to donate your leftover foods from your restaurant chain to the soup kitchen, at least according to the corpos.
And the amount of food regularly thrown out by grocery stores is disgusting. And health laws insist on pouring scrap on it so it's useless as food. Dumpster diving isn't my idea of a good time, but we're talking starving people here.
It's not "unethical" it's a health hazard, donating *leftovers.* A totally different situation than the stood-up brides who donated all the food from their wedding receptions to homeless or women's shelters.
I am not sure if corpos means corporations but when I was in the Navy we tried to donate to the soup kitchens and they refused due to health concerns. Leftovers might not have had proper storage and handling in route and the organization providing the food to those in need can be held accountable for illness or death.
No it's not that's its unethical. It's that if the food it slightly spoiled or something like that, they are liable.
lawsuits: if the donated food causes someone to get sick then the lawyers will descend on you. Better to just avoid the potential problem altogether.
This. We need to stop with the obscene food waste and let it help others.
Piracy, especially if you're from third world/developing places. Nobody gives a f**k about us, why should we pay to get one of the few things that can amenize life for us, which is entertainment?
If it's something that airs on a freely available network (fox, ABC, NBC, CBS) it's not piracy. If it's something that's available on a cable service THAT I PAY FOR, it's not piracy. If it's something that i've already f*****g paid for, it's not piracy. The courts settled this with VHS recorders in the 80's, that technology and quality have improved doesn't change the underlying argument. Add to that, the fact that streaming services have more than doubled their pricing structures in the past 10 years, while also coming to the conclusion that despite those price increases that they're also entitled to insert even more AD's than we get on freely available broadcast TV....it's no longer an intellectual debate, we simply no longer care.
A person's attitude to piracy tells us a lot about how much they respect other laws.
I'm sorry but I'm not paying 59euros per month to see a movie, but that doesn't mean I don't respect other laws.
Load More Replies...To "amenitize" means to add amenities, features, or qualities that make something more pleasant, comfortable, or convenient. It's about enhancing a place or situation to make it more enjoyable or easier to live in or use.
Load More Replies...These examples just prove our previously expressed idea that what we consider (im)moral quite often depends on many factors in a person's life, making the question of what is and what isn’t unethical rather hard to answer unequivocally.
What are the things you don't view as a big deal, but others think are immoral? Share with us in the comments!
Honestly?.. Snooping a bit on someone’s socials before a date. Like… it’s public, it’s safety, and I’m just being smart...
Snooping before agreeing to the date would be even better if possible.
Only snooping in socials? I run people's names through my county's Clerk of Courts before going on a date. If someone takes issue with that, it's a red flag. I respect dates that look me up first; it's a smart thing to do.
Isn't that considered a standard, acceptable, even expected thing these days?
If it's publicly available, that's fine. Looking at their phone while they go to the bathroom is not.
Load More Replies...and what do you read from me being a sky-diver, bungee jumper, pole dancer? You find what the "date" wants you to find
Oh, you sweet summer child. You have absolutely no idea what a person can learn about you through a simple Google search. Evidently, though most people have absolutely no idea how to use Google.
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"Swearing". The words are bad... because they are bad?
You can call someone a worthless moron that deserves to die, but don't call them a c**t or you've crossed the line.
There's usually a subtle way round that. Calling someone an 'unnecessary increase in local carbon dioxide creation' usually gives you enough time to get away, while they work it out - but referring to sexual organs or acts is not cultured.
My kids asks me every now and then if they are allowed to swear. I keep telling them that they are, but they must be careful with it because some people get sad or angry about it. And it seems to have reduced their use of swear-words to only when they are in great pain or they have swear-word battles with their friends.
My dad likes to brag that he never curses but he freely calls people "idiot" all day long. Not winning the moral high ground that he thinks he is.
It boils down to knowing your audience. I’m going to swear like a sweary thing with my sisters and friends, however I’m not going to use the c word in front of my parents or my doctor.
I've got through my life without swearing. They're not necessary.
Swearing can be cathartic, which is a good thing. It also helps to relieve that exquisite pain you get when you smash your little toe into something.
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Peeing in the shower :).
There are two kinds of people: Those who admit they pee in the shower, and f*****g liars.
Load More Replies...The only bad thing I heard was, that the body knows that you should pee when it hears running water. Hence not to good when you get older and not as god constoll of your bladder..
Load More Replies...My teenage son introduced me to the concept of waffle stomping. Do not google it. He assured me he had never once felt an urge to try it.
oh god. y'all, DO NOT google that. unfortunately, i know what it is and i wish i didn't.
Load More Replies...There are two things everyone does in the shower. Pee and sing! And also a third thing that most people do, but that would get too many asterixes for me to bother type it.
At work if someone loses a charger for their iPad/laptop we are supposed to make them replace it. However if it was an accident or something out of their control happened we do not. I just tell everyone when writing the report to phrase it as an accident. Some co-workers think this is horrible of me to do but I don't give a s**t.
Isn't losing something always by accident? And if you could lose it on purpose, why would you?
Deep bro, deep. I just cleared my schedule for the rest of the day.
Load More Replies... Dumpster diving (on public property) I did or did not get a lor of cool or not so cool things out of dumpsters. allegedly
Edit: typo, fixed spelling.
If you're referring to the edit failing to achieve its stated purpose, then I agree.
Load More Replies...so you fixed the typos? Because I do not understand what "lor" means, i cannot find it anywhere.
Squatting abandoned buildings.
Well, there's "abandoned" and then there's "currently standing empty". In the former case, so long as you're prepared to move out when someone wants to knock it down, rebuild it, whatever, then maybe. In the latter, no. Squatting almost inevitably means that the place will be trashed, one way or another, and at the very least you're making problems for the lawful owner if they want to access it. And how do you determine which is which anyway?
There is a woman in Australia whose father's place was empty after he died, while she was looking after her mother elsewhere and she couldn't afford to do the necessary repairs to sell it. Her address was given out to the public by a youtuber who publicises the addresses of all the vacant places he can because he believes people should have the right to any place that is empty. Unsurprisingly, squatters moved in, and vandalised the place and stole all her father's things, including very sentimental ones. It definitely shouldn't be up to randoms to decide whether you are entitled to have your house left empty for any period of time.
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Not tipping the waiters.
Nothing unethical about not tipping , it is not my duty to supplement their salary , that is their boss, I tip when the service is above and beyond, not for just service.
If you or a close family member ever worked as a server I suspect you would feel differently. If you don't tip in a place like the US where it's understood that doing so is part of the cost of the meal then the server just waited on you for little to no pay, and if he or she has to tip out the bartender and/or busboy it might have even cost him or her money, but by God you stood up for your principles. Does that make you feel good?
Load More Replies...I worked as a server for a grand total of 2 weeks. That was enough for me to become a great tipper. I have no respect for people who don't tip after receiving excellent service. If your server is an a*s or ignores you, that's a different story.
I will tip my waiter personally, in cash. I'm tired of the automatic tip on your receipt. It doesn't go to my waiter. It goes to everybody working in the restaurant. When everyone else is making $3-4 per hour, then I'll tip them. I still don't understand why waitstaff is not paid a decent hourly wage.
They still have to hand it over for extortion by the management, even if it's in cash. The only way to get the money to the server ONLY is to get their email address and eTransfer it directly into their bank account. Otherwise it will still be stolen from them.
Load More Replies...Not having kids in Asia.
Iirc, the Chinese tried this - to a limited extent - and it wasn't a good move. "Asia" is a large place, and much of it is well governed and prosperous. I'm not sure we have the right to judge others anyway, and definitely when we aren't subject to the pressures they re living under.
Or anywhere. Especially with IVF. It’s so expensive, it raises insurance costs for everyone else. And there are huge numbers of children who need to be fostered or adopted.
Throwing apple cores into the bushes while I drive.
So I used to do this and my sister strongly admonished me. She says that it lures animals towards the edges of the road where they're more inclined to be hit and kīlled. And then the animals that eat the road kíll are also more likely to be hit and killed.
Never thought of that - just thought the ants would take care of it. Don't do it often but will stop throwing food out of a car window from now on, thanks.
Load More Replies...If you're driving along a country highway here in Australia, a fun way to pass the time is counting all the apple trees that have "mysteriously" sprung up every other kilometre.
I so this but I make sure it is in a very rural area where there are no house or buildings around.
yes, and no. If you are in a national park apples could be considered alien vegetation.
Load More Replies...Depends on the country - banana peels stay a long time here. If the fruit is local, I don't mind throwing it in the bushes while on a walk (not from a car).
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Taking candy from babies. They could choke on it.
Children should be at least 18 months before eating solid candy, and even then they should be supervised to prevent choking.
You ever try taking candy from a baby? They're fast little buggers.
and they scream in the giga-decible range. Very disconcerting
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I think that the whole "an eye for an eye" thing, is reasonable in some cases.
Like if you want to knowingly beat someone up, you should get beaten up yourself.
I read a sci-fi story once where this was the philosophy of an alien culture. You beat someone to death with a baseball bat? You get beat to death with a baseball bat. With the blows in the same place, with the same force and in the same order as you used. So you will experience exactly what your victim went through.
Immigrating illegally.
If you're fleeing for your life, the legal stuff can be fixed later.
Until they electrify the border fences. With global warming and the rise of more failed states, there will be more refugees fleeing certain death. I don't see a solution for this but telling them to 'go away' certainly isn't it. There is no such place as "away".
Load More Replies...Nope. Every country in the world has immigration laws, and every country in the world enforces those laws. I left the US 15 years ago, i went through the immigration process here. Is it a pain in the a*s? Absolutely! Does that justify ignoring legal process designed to protect citizens and immigrants alike? Absolutely not. Everything is finite, whether we're talking about jobs, housing, or just general resources. We can't ignore the population we already have to prioritize those who flout the law.
Mansion-dwellers do much more harm to America than the poor huddled masses do.
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Doubt it happens much these days but…Grave robbing
Those people aren’t using it anymore, it was stupid in the first place to bury them with anything valuable.
Well, it makes archeologists very unhappy. I mean, the ONLY Pharaoh's tomb not desecrated was Tut's.
Robbing a pharaoh's tomb, with all that gold and stuff makes perfect sense - I doubt anyone would think it was worth the effort of digging up my Auntie Doreen just for her 9 carat locket and cubic zirconia earrings, but I guess you never know.
Load More Replies...Tell me you work in a British museum without telling me you work in a British museum. 🤣
Fun fact: Burke and Hare were not actually grave robbers, yet they remain pretty much the only names that come to mind.
Graves were robbed chiefly for the bodies, not valuables. Usually for medical schools or experiments, but sometimes for ransom. Abraham Lincoln's body, for instance.
I think it would depend on the place and time whether the main objective is the body or the valuables
Load More Replies...Me too, and it's the kind of tired where sleeping doesn't help. I think I'm just tired of life.
Load More Replies...Men or women going to strip clubs. If they're going to cheat they're going to cheat no matter what. Don't blame the strippers
Me too, and it's the kind of tired where sleeping doesn't help. I think I'm just tired of life.
Load More Replies...Men or women going to strip clubs. If they're going to cheat they're going to cheat no matter what. Don't blame the strippers
