History isn’t just about heroic battles, grand adventures, moving speeches, scientific inventions, and social progress. For good and for ill, people are very complicated and nuanced beings… with a dash of depravity and lust thrown in. Human history is full of truly shocking, dark, and terrifying events, but some books skim over the more disturbing details.
The r/AskReddit community recently shared some pieces of history that would even make many adults do a double-take. Scroll down to have a read.
But be warned, some of these historical facts are definitely not for the faint of heart, while others might make you feel very uncomfortable.
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The Battle of Blair Mountain. Coal miners wanted to unionize and mine owners wanted more money. A million rounds of ammunition were fired and the National Guard had to intervene.
That's a shamefully short summary of it, but it was literally a war for labor rights.
To quote Robert Evans on Behind the Bastards (Part 1 on YouTube [here](https://youtu.be/XWvVdjmBhHc?si=ekzrYcd3taBhmSg0)):
>We never talk about the time they got bombed and gassed and shot at by machine guns. We just leave that out of history books. The 8-hour work day was entirely gained by polite people with signs protesting. That's how we have a weekend, not the men who charged machine gun nests and sniped at corporate guards.
>All these things we consider just a part of life like the fact that you're supposed to get a weekend; all of these things were bought in blood by men who are willing to kill for these rights who are willing to die for these things. And we don't talk about that even though it's cool and interesting because it might give people ideas.
Rednecks with their red bandana against the corporations and the oligarchs. How times are changed!
Boy you said a mouthful. Several generations later, their scions are mouthpieces for the same people who gladly screw them over. The power of polarizing constituencies over high stakes emotional political issues.
Load More Replies...Unions are the only way to force the wealthy suits to pay the people who do the actual work a fair wage and benefits. Just who is making all the money for those suits? It's us. The labor force. I mean it's not like Amazon or Walmart suits and owners are hurting.
Well yeah. If they taught the truth about the Labor Movement we wouldn't be so willing to be corporate slaves, now would we?
My great grandfather was a coal miner. He didn't like guns, but he kept wet-stick (nitroglycerin based) dynamite in the house at all times, as self defence against corporate bully boys.
It has not once happened that business practises, broad or limited to one company, were made with regard to anything but profit without something forcing them to - actualy, all the law in place that oversteps into people's affairs are just that, overstepping, while NOT limiting the freedom of companies, actually, not only compromises, but downright destroys any freedom that isn't linked to an obese wallet.
This part of history is glossed over in schools. The reason we have things like, 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, and OSHA regulations are because of the Union movement. Corporations have done everything to try dismantle what we worked so hard for only a handful of decades ago.
similar with steel industry...the republicans have fed people this BS that unions are bad....but, it just shows you the extremes people have to go to get basic work rights when corporations are unregulated...
An entire town in Colorado was wiped out; men, women and children. The towns people managed to smuggle out the woman known as Mother Jones as she was an important union organizer but no one else survived.
>One of Columbus’ men, Bartolome De Las Casas, was so mortified by Columbus’ brutal atrocities against the native peoples, that he quit working for Columbus and became a Catholic priest. He described how the Spaniards under Columbus’ command cut off the legs of children who ran from them, to test the sharpness of their blades. According to De Las Casas, the men made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. He says that Columbus’ men poured people full of boiling soap. In a single day, De Las Casas was an eye witness as the Spanish soldiers dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 native people. “Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight as no age can parallel,” De Las Casas wrote. “My eyes have seen these acts so foreign to human nature that now I tremble as I write.”
Source: "Columbus Day? True Legacy: Cruelty and Slavery." by Eric Kasum, published October 11, 2010
It feels like a conspiracy theory, but I swear they teach us about Columbus when we are too young to be exposed to his atrocities (witnessed first hand, as well as documented in his own hand in his journals) so that he will be a "controversial figure" who "might have gotten a couple things wrong about what country he was in" rather than "a f*****g horrendous vile human being on par with the worst shitheads in history.".
Bartolomé de Las Casas' accounts only mention Christopher Columbus on his visiting entourage, where he had seven natives with him in Seville. He was only nine when this visit happened. From what I can find of de la Casas' book (History of the Indies, Book 2), the accounts of the atrocities are very real, but they were not ordered by Columbus, but under Governor Bobadilla and Nicolás de Ovando (the two governors AFTER Columbus). Columbus was a prick, but putting other prick's crimes under his name is absolving those who actually did do the crime.
What's really going to drive people nuts is why Columbus accepted these tactics by people in his command: they told him that they were punishing the locals according to the locals' traditions.
Load More Replies...Columbus feels like one of the bigger lies I was taught in 60s grade school. George Washington and the cherry tree is a fabrication but not a particularly awful one. But being taught Columbus discovered America and treating him more or less like a hero - only to later learn he didn't actually discover American and he was a racist a-hole - feels like a bigger betrayal by our educational system.
Especially since those who became Native Americans discovered the Americas tens of thousands of years before.
Load More Replies...I think it is the same man, de Las Casas who said that you didn't need to know how to navigate the seas, you just had to follow the bloody trail in the water as natives were thrown overboard, or jumped, not wanting to be enslaved. From Columbus's own diary, within the day, he was talking about how the natives would make fine slaves. There is a very good reason people do not want to celebrate this brutal, horrible man.
And guess what the priests did to the natives? It wasn't giving them cookies.
Sadly, I honestly don't know if the correct answer is 1. Raping them, 2. Torture and killing to save their souls, or 3. All of the above. (probably some plundering as well)
Load More Replies...How do you even observe Columbus Day? Going to the supermarket getting lost looking for spices?
Load More Replies...Damn them and all the evilness that came in those boats to new worlds. Greedy, hateful, souless barbarians.
The Apache Indians had a reputation for cruelty, but they learned it from the Spaniards who learned it from the Moors.
796 babies bodies found in a septic tank in Galway, Ireland.
796. Babies.
Orko90:
I think the pertinent info you're missing is that the septic tank belonged to a "Home" for unmarried mothers that was owned and operated by the Bon Secours Sisters, an order of Catholic nuns.
The despair caused by these institutions all over Ireland and indeed the world is unimaginable. I don't think I know of a single person here in Ireland who doesn't have a grandmother or a great aunt or family friend who was affected by these "mother and baby homes" such a shameful chapter of both the Catholic church's history and the pervasive culture of shame around unwed mothers. Heartbreaking.
Most chapters of the Catholic churches history are shameful
Load More Replies...Thousands of women went through these homes and were abused by the church and the nuns. What I rarely hear in any of these tales is what happened to the men. What happened to them. Were they worried about their children. The answer in most cases is a resounding NO. They had their fun and left the women to be s**t shamed and to bear the consequences. The church blamed the women and are now blaming the nuns. I would like to have seen the men be called out on THEIR abuse
The nuns were a bunch of sadistic abusers. The were not victims of "the system"; they were part of it. Women can be as evil as the most evil men.
Load More Replies...Catholics: Abortion bad. Single mothers bad. Dumping hundreds of babies in a septic tank? apparently okay with the Church.
Yes, and we (escapee ex-Catholic here) are told that there are all these funeral rites that are really REALLY important. Funny how it wasn't at all important for these babies when there wasn't money in it for the priest and for space in "consecrated" ground.
Load More Replies...And the men that just stayed silent and let this happen. They weren't immaculately concepted.
Load More Replies...They don't believe in abortion, but once the baby is born they don't give a holy f**k for their fate or the mothers'.
Load More Replies...It's small in comparison but shows the depth of the hate in some of the nuns. My mother in law went to school, run by nuns in Ireland and one day her friend fell and grazed her knee. She took her to be attended to by a nun, who hit her in the face with a wooden chalk eraser, breaking her nose, because she should have stopped the friend falling over.
We had nuns teaching in Catholic schools in England right up to the 90's. My Mum had one that would just whack you with a yardstick randomly in the corridor and I had one who would hold your nose and force feed you vegetables in the canteen. Once when I gagged I was forced to eat the vomit. I was 6. My Gran always said many nuns were sent to the convent against their will by families who wanted a ticket to heaven and they took out their anger on kids as a result.
Load More Replies...I love my Irish born wife. She went to an Catholic school growing up and was taught by nuns. We do not talk about it. She is still Catholic but not a practicing one. I have nothing good to say about the Catholic religion.
My mom went to a Polish Catholic school in Chicago, apparently most of the nuns there weren't as bad.
Load More Replies...Seduction, love, cheating, betrayal, lust, and longing are as much a part of history as war and famine, conquests and rebellions, progress and repressions. However, for some folks, talking about brutality, warfare, political backstabbing, and complex statesmanship is more palatable than ever even hinting that s-e-x exists.
That’s one of those little ironies of modern life: some topics are considered taboo even though they’re objectively part and parcel of the human condition, like other things.
The Radium Girls from the United States. Just read a book on them and it was horrific! The radium poisoning made their jaw bones fall out with their teeth. Not to mention all the sarcomas and the one girl who hemmoraghed and bled out because the poison ate through her jugular. They were told the Radium was safe despite there being known health risks as early as 1901. There were still radium factories being operated as of 1978.
Dark but well written: https://www.kate-moore.com/the-radium-girls Give it a read if you want to know more about this tragedy.
It's bad enough to work with radium, but these girls were encouraged to lick their brushes to keep them sharp. So they literally ate the radium paint!
There is a movie, Radium Girls, that depict this.
Load More Replies...For many years, the employers said that the women were suffering from STIs and their symptoms were nothing to do with the radium.
This is exactly the kind of thing I can only stomach reading about. Any pics, and I'm noping out.
And the men working with radium in the lab next door were provided with protective clothing.
The company execs refused to walk out on the shop floor cuz they knew the risks.
similar thing happened in England but with the stuff that goes on match sticks .
When then President of Indonesia Soekarno visited the Soviet Union the KGB thought that it would be a good idea to send a honey trap. They hired two escorts to "entertain" him and recorded the acts using a spy camera. then blackmailed President Soekarno laughed at the agents and asked them to send him the tapes so that he can watch it back home.
they didn't hire escorts, the KGB had an official prostitute division, which were highly attractive women trained in blackmail and information extraction via sexual activity, and they KGB used them extensively. Though former high ranking KGB officials in the 90s admitted that KGB generals used to use their services as well
don't doubt they did, how else would you assess if someone was ready for the job, how good they doing the sexual acts. ..
Load More Replies...A LONG time ago, Rolling Stone interviewed a former CIA guy. I think it was the CIA that put LSD on the speech copy Soekarno was using in an attempt to discredit him. Instead (according to the CIA guy), he gave one of the most coherent, electrifying speeches of his tenure.
Now *that* is power - when you can laugh at blackmailers because you know you are unassailable
Mary Shelley, the author of Frankenstein, apparently lost her virginity on her mother’s grave.
DudebroggieHouser:
Mary Shelly and Lord Byron put all modern goth couples to absolute shame.
And that's not even the wildest part of her biography, read the Wiki article it's full of WTH moments)
Apparently her mother was one of those parents who say "You'll have pre-marital sex over my dead body!"
TO BE CLEAR, MARY SHELLEY AND HER PARTNER(S), AND LORD BRYON AND HIS PARTNER(S). Not the two together
Theres evidence that she had a threesome with lord byron and percy shelley actually
Load More Replies...Uh ... I've seen people banging on a grave before ... but, I don't know if they were related. It's a really old, small cemetary, I doubt anyone alive knew anyone buried there, but still ... first, freaked me out, then I couldn't stop laughing, because that's just so ... so far off, ... why, even?
Mary Shelley was married to Percy Bysshe Shelley. I am certain they had menage-a-trois with Lord Byron, but they weren't a couple.
I thought she was Shelley's partner, not Lord Byron's. though I suppose there could have some sharing going on. Who knows?
I have a friend who is related to Mary Shelley. Not by blood, but by marriage. Her great, great grandmother's brother married her or something. Idk
At the time of writing, according to the ‘Worldometer,’ nearly 8.2 billion people live on Earth. Or almost 8.173 billion, to be more precise.
The United Nations predicts that we should have 9 billion people living on the planet by the year 2037. Furthermore, the world population should balloon up to 10 billion by 2060. Of course, these projections can and will change. Predicting the future is always difficult. No matter how much data you have, no statistical model can account for every eventuality or circumstance.
Gandhi was racist and kind of a p*do. While people say he “outgrew his racism” he unquestionably slept naked in the same bed as naked teenagers, one being his grandniece to “test himself” which even if all he did was sleep is still incredibly unsettling. I detest the British colonialism as much as the next guy but it seems Gandhi is only ever remembered for the good things he did and not the extremely morally questionable things.
Yes, does anyone know of a reasonable excuse for her flying off to the developed world for her own treatment as opposed to using one of her hospital beds?
Load More Replies...He condemned the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and said the Jews should have non-violently resisted the Nazis. And you read what he said about Africans would make the KKK blush, and he argued for British white control in Africa because of how he felt about Africans
Harry Turtledove wrote a short story about Ganhdi trying to use non-violent methods against the Nazis when they conquer the Raj in 1946. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Article?wprov=sfla1
Load More Replies...As someone who has been to India twice and who has several very good friends in India, I can guarantee you that Indians have a far clearer view of Gandhi than we do in the west.
🎶There are precious few at ease with moral ambiguities, and so we act as though they don’t exist🎶
As an Indian, I agree. He was a very questionable character and the extent of his involvement in getting India freedom is still debatable
i made both your comment and the one under me saying Gandhi and mother Theresa were not who they made them self out to be. i got trolled for about a week before i got them all blocked it was block one here is another.
The absolute atrocities that Japan committed during World War II not only the decimation of the Chinese people but also on their own turf.
Examples being the horrific stuff done at Unit 731 s**t should give you nightmares.
I wonder how many more of these horrors exist without ever having been uncovered. I mean, we only know about what happened in Japan and Germany because these two lost the wars and were in public focus.
You don't seem to understand the full extent of the horrors, if you believe that they could ever have been covered up. The atrocities committed by the Nazis and the Japanese were known and recorded long before either lost the war. Moreover, I am will to bet a lot of money that you are unfamiliar with the vast majority of the atrocities that the Nazis actually committed. The reason that "Holocaust Studies" re a thing is that the full extent of the Nazi atrocities is still not fully known and understood, more than 70 years after the fact. Finally, We know what the USSR did in Ukraine and they were the winners. You simply cannot cover up the murder of millions.
Load More Replies...My mother (born 1925 in Japan) told me once that they sent all the young girls into the mountains when the Americans came because they knew what their soldiers did to the Chinese and believed the same would be done to them by the Americans.
I'm Japanese here, I do apologise for everything that happened. I know that no words can express how horrific it was and how much the victims had to go through. You can hate my country. I don't blame you
We only hate the people who committed the atrocities - not the whole country.
Load More Replies...Some of Unit 731's "experiments" still cause disease and mutilation (and therefore even death) to this day in the Nanking area.
Not defending them, they were monsters, but do you have the sources for their experiments still being active???
Load More Replies...Not to mention the horrible things that they did to the Dutch living in Indonesia. My Oma, her mother and my sister experienced some and witnessed more.
My mother was orphaned in China when the Japanese slaughtered virtually her entire village. It was just a nondescript rural town.
My boyfriend's parents are both Chinese immigrants (bf was born in America) and both of them lost family members to Unit 731 AND in the Rape of Nanking. Hugs to you and your mom. <3 If she's still with us, I hope she is doing as okay as she can be.
Load More Replies...And yet when you visit historical stuff in Japan (like Tokyo Tower), they elide over the years from the rape of Nanking through the end of WWII like it didn't happen. Ugh
The reason informed consent is legally required in study participation, The Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
In 1932 a group of 600 impoverished Black men were part of an experiment to observe untreated syphilis. 399 of these men had syphilis while the rest were used as a control group, all participating with the promise of free medical care. The men who had syphilis were never told they had it. Instead they were gaslit and offered placebos to treat "bad blood" while the researchers told local Black doctors to deny them treatment.
It was supposed to last 6 months.
It lasted 40 years, and even though penicillin was used as an effective treatment 15 years after the start of the study, it was never offered to them.
During WWII 256 infected men were drafted and diagnosed by the military, unfit to serve without treatment. The researchers got them excluded from the draft to continue the experiment unbothered.
It only stopped after news of the study was leaked to the press in 1972. 128 of the men had died directly or indirectly from a completely treatable disease they were never told they had, and 59 relatives of the men contracted or were born with syphilis as a result.
The movie Miss Evers' Boys is based off of this topic. Experiments were conducted more than people know. Many pioneering gyn surgeries were performed on those that could not resist or run away.
It's stuff like this that causes many black people in the US to have no trust in the medical system. Using minorities like lab rats is a Nazi Germany level of evil.
I read a book called "The Plutonium Files" about radiation experiments on unwitting victims. It was an element of the Manhattan Project that the Oppenheimer film forgot to mention.
Another book worth a read is Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present by Harriet A. Washington. Heartbreaking.
Load More Replies...I learnt from law and order SVU about 20 years ago what untreated syphilis can do to a person and its absolutely horrific. The fact that they let so many men untreated is disgusting.
People in Places of power seem to be the worst of humanity sometimes.
And Native American women were given hysterectomies without their consent, a practice still occurring in the 1970s and maybe even later.
if you are in prison, the military, poor, or have darker than white skin, it's very likely somebody ran some scary experiments on your people...they only recently made it illegal in california to sterilze a female prisoner against her consent BECAUSE THAT WAS HAPPENING...and all the puerto rican women they tested birth control on...the list goes on...
Estimating how many people have ever lived on Earth over humanity’s roughly 200,000-year history is a tough nut to crack. Being too specific is never going to work because we lack the records, so we have to make educated guesses. A 2022 article on PRB estimates that around 117 billion members of our species have been born on our planet.
There were around 8 billion human beings living on the planet in 2022, which accounted for around 7% of the total number of people who have ever lived. This is a huge chunk of the total historical human population! And every person who has ever been born has added to the rich tapestry of history, one way or another.
The Olsen twins countdown clock. You had grown men obsessing about this.
Slow_D-oh:
Same with:
Emma Watson
Britney Spears (who was asked repeatedly if she was still a virgin when underage.)
Anna Kournikova
and likely any popular female singer/actor who was over 15 in the 90s (at least) until very recently.
Also, just because I don't like the guy. Jerry Seinfeld had a 17-year-old girlfriend when he was 38.
That actor in Twilight was thirsted over when he was fifteen by the "Twi-Moms". People have written ewwy stories of the children in Stranger Things. RPF exists of male child actors paired with their best friend and was sent to them. This vile is still current.
still happens now, I remember seeing posts about Millie Bobby Brown and being absolutely disgusted. And whilst Jenna Ortega is of age now, she quit a lot of her social media due to grown men sending her explicit imagery/deepfakes of her as a child/teen.
Will never forget the countdown clock in the daily sport for Linsey Dawn Mckenzie
The News of the World also had one for Charlotte Church.
Load More Replies...I read the caption on the main page, and here I was thinking that they had some sort of publicity stunt on their show involving a mystery countdown, and some misaimed fandom (much like "bronies") all had wild theories and heated flame wars about what it could be. Reality was so, so much worse. I'm sticking with my initial idea, will pretend it is true. I will feel better.
Hollyweird, politicians, businessman, all the elitists...trafficking is alive and well and $$$ keeps it going.
It was a web page counting down the time until the Olsen twins were 18.
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We would have more mummies nowadays if the victorians didn’t eat them all.
"Unwrapping parties", using them as a medicine, mixing them into paint ("Mummy Brown" was the fad of the day in the art world)... Some expeditions in Egypt are even said to have used them as fuel for campfires, as they did burn well because of their bitumen content.
More were actually used as fuel for trains in place of coal than eaten.
Victorians not only ate them. Mummies were so abundant that people crushed them for fertilizer and to make paint. There was actually a pigment called "Mummy brown". Delacroix's "Liberty Guiding the People" is painted with it.
And maybe that's why we can't find the mummies of Cleopatra and Alexander The Great.
Why? Dead bodies are like envelopes: the good stuff’s been taken out, and it’s just something left over that people throw away. I don’t understand why we revere dead bodies so much. They should all go to science rather than taking up valuable land. The thing that made them valuable, the person, is gone. They’re empty wrappers. It seems like an incredibly bad idea to eat them (who knows what they were embalmed with?), but it’s “terrible” to do something with someone’s empty body? Why?
Load More Replies...Also hundreds (thousands) of mummies of cats were sent to England and used as fertilizer.
Baby farmers.
In Victorian (and previously one assumes) unmarried mothers were of course looked down upon and if you were in service and knocked up by the son of the owner you were a bit f****d as no-one else would give a single mother a job. The solution? Baby Farmers!
Baby farmers were basically an industry to “adopt” (for a fee of course) these babies. Of course, some of these farmers realised that it was somewhat noisy and expensive looking after a whole bunch of babies and so they used a tonic called Godfrey’s Cordial. Said tonic contained opium which knocked out the babies and they were fed it by a few unscrupulous baby farmers until they starved to death. They then disposed of baby, advertised again and the cycle begins again.
For a particularly notorious example look up Amelia Dyer or John and Sarah Makin.
I remember reading a really interesting book about this when I was about 14. It was fiction, but included all the facts mentioned about them.
Don't know if I upvote it because it is indeed dark, or downvote it because it is so gross. I think I'll just drink BrainBleach™ mixed with unsee juice.
I get what you mean, but downvoting it for being too gross on a "dark side of history" list would definitely be the wrong call.
Load More Replies...Not trying to be morbid but why not just suffocate them? It would have been faster. Starvation takes time and suffering.
The goal wasn’t to kill them, that was just the cost of doing business. The goal was to make money by adopting out the babies for a fee. If the baby died, they’d just get rid of the body and start again.
Load More Replies...What the hell.is wrong with people? It seems the Victorian age they were pretty f'd up. I'm glad my family was on a farm in Texas. I would hate to think they were involved in any of these things.
Yeah, I'm sure nothing untoward has ever happened on a Texas farm . . . .
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Victor Hugo was so popular with Parisian pr*stitutes that most brothels in Paris closed down for a day of mourning and many SWs stood outside to pay tribute.
Yeah umm… not sure this belongs in ‘dark’ history? ‘Tis the oldest profession after all, and for a reason. I.e. Why are we all here…? ‘Cause people were doin’ it.
I saw a documentary that attributed time keeping, ie. primitive clocks to prostitutes. It makes perfect sence that they were the ones who would devide the time into units
Load More Replies...He was popular with prostitutes because he helped them, apart from his visits. There is a famous case when he witnessed an incident of a man shaming a prostitute in the street by shoving snow down her dress, and when the woman protested, the police arrived. Victor Hugo, who was already famous, testified in her favor and had the man arrested. The incident inspired him to write Les Miserables.
Was just about to ask why they liked him. How wonderful! Thanks for sharing it.
Load More Replies...I am guessing the caption is incomplete... as in... the brothels closed down for a day of mourning when Mr. Victor Hugo died? Or... as tribute on the day of his funeral? Or...? And why is him being popular there dark history? It sounds to me like he was very actively putting funds into businesses he was frequenting. It doesn't sound like he was abusive or anything - as I don't think the businesses would have mourned him if he was.
This is from Reddit. Not everyone posts things appropriate to the original question. Also, there are still people who think sex and by extension prostitution is bad. (I really hafta point this out?)
Load More Replies...Dark history of this is because most poor single women had no choice but to prostitute themselves since the jobs available to women were few and far between, so in order not to starve many were sex workers. Women's equality reduced much of this, though we are still more likely to be paid a nonliving wage or a lower wage.
So, it's OK to S**t Shame men now? He liked having sex, and he had women who willing have sex with him, enjoyed it, AND were paid. Why is it "Nasty" or "Indecent"?
Where do you see “s**t shaming” in this entry? I’ve read it five times now and I can’t find it. It strikes me as lovely, not “shaming” anyone.
Load More Replies... Winston Churchill's entire career outside of WW2 was basically monstrous. He had concentration camps in South Africa, was a eugenicist, and used ex-military police to crack down on the anti-colonial movement in Ireland.
Say what you want about the guy, he obviously has a major role in WW2, but he was basically just a coin flip away from being a British fascist.
No it wasn't. Please read about the actual cause of the famine: failed wheat crops. Churchill arranged millions of tons of grain to be shipped to India but the shipping lanes were overrun with German subs and battle groups. The USA refused to ship the grain because of the risk. Churchill asked Canada for help and they agreed to ship the grain to India. That is a very brief potted version but all the information, including all the de-classified Government dispatches are available to be read online. Churchill did not "fund" WWII by starving India to death FFS.
Load More Replies...Your misuse of the word 'fascist' does you no credit. Whatever else he may have been, a fascist he most certainiy was not.
Well, OP said "a coin flip away", but fascist isn't a useful term for Churchill when you have Oswald Mosley available to set the standard.
Load More Replies...The Brits INVENTED the concentration camp in the Boer wars. Thousands of innocent women and children died. I've seen the documentation at the Voortrekker monument and museum near Pretoria.
The Spanish during the Spanish-Cuban Ten Years War produced the first concentration camps. The term "concentration camp" was invented during that war to describe their camps. The Second Boer War concentration camps were the third set of camps with that name, second during the American-Philippine War in the 1890s
Load More Replies...like guiliani w/ 9-11...rose to the occassion...but otherwise ineffectual...
Many women and children died in the South-African concentration camps.
That's how the world was at the time. Don't take these things out of context. Most governments, of all political colours, take measures to protect the status quo and would try to put down an uprising to keep themselves in power. Some states are more subtle about it, democracies tend to be more open.
In 1944, 9 American airmen were shot down over the Japanese island Chichijima in the Bonin Islands. 8 were captured by Japanese troops, and were then beaten, tortured, and executed by beheading. Their remains were cannibalized by Japanese officers. The ritual cannibalism included eating the livers of freshly killed prisoners, and eating living prisoners over several days, amputating limbs to keep the meat fresh.
This case was investigated in 1947 in a war crimes trial, and of the 30 Japanese soldiers prosecuted, four officers were found guilty and hanged. All enlisted men were released within eight years.
Vice Admiral Mori Kunizo, commander of the Chichi-Jima air base believed hat consumption of human liver had medical benefits. He was initially sentenced to life imprisonment for his involvement in the incident, but was sentenced to death and hanged after a separate trial for other war crimes.
The 9th airman who successfully evaded capture was eventually rescued. 45 years later he was elected President of the United States.
True, but if anyone else got that impression, GW Bush was never near the cannibals, he escaped the aircraft and was rescued by a sub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichijima_incident
Barbaric for what had been an old and civilised nation. I really don't know why Japanese behaved in such an abhorrent manner WW2 ? Such shocking cruelty.
Civilised when it came to their own people maybe, but the Japanese superiority complex and belief that all other "races" were worth less than animals fed into their abhorrent behaviour in WWII. It's not at all surprising when you read other than the sanitised texts about Japanese society. After WWII Japan had to work hard to shift their view of the world and themselves, but there is still very much xenophobia left. For example, many Japanese still don't want their children marrying foreigners.
Load More Replies...My grandad was in the US Navy is ww2, the sailors would rescue the Japanese soldiers from their sunken ships, only to tie them naked, spread eagled, on the deck of their ship. My grandad would sneak them water and shade when no one was looking. One of the survivinng Japanese soldiers tracked him down after the war and thanked him.
Your grandpa's care toward those men proves he knew what Being Human was all about. War is a stupid gambling game set into motion by a few angry men having temper tantrums - which ends up getting innocent soldiers on both/all sides killed or fecked up for life. Those angry baby men don't suffer for what they start. "War NEVER decides who is right. It only decides who is left." That saying chilled me when I first read it. '... Who is left' of course meaning 'who is left alive.' So stupid and unnecessary, war is. Wish it'd stop the world over cuz it's always the innocent citizens and most soldiers who suffer for it.
Load More Replies...My soldier grandfather and his Indian colleagues often came across the remains of cannibalised soldiers. They often went out on patrol with Gurkhas and all were ordered not to listen to the voices in the jungle asking, "Such-and-such regiment, come this way." They were Japanese inviting them to dine.
Jesus christ. :o The more posts I read in this article, the more angry, disgusted and disturbed I get by how absolutely fecking cruel and disturbed some humans are against other humans.
Historically, the Japanese have been a racist people who view non-Japanese people as less than animals. The atrocities perpetrated by them on their enemies is legendary. They simply don't have a moral compass, at least when it comes to non-Japanese.
The men also grópe schoolgirls on trains. It's so bad there's "Women only" trains.
Load More Replies...That final sentence sure was a kick in the head; I was not expecting that!
In Ancient Pompeii, the way they would direct you towards the nearest brothel was with a d**k engraved into the pavement and walls pointing the way towards it.
The engravings survived the volcanic eruption, so if you go to Pompeii today you will find the paths literally paved with d***s.
danylp:
When I was there we stopped by a group led by a guide lady at the exact moment she showed them the carvings and asked them what they thought it was. Everyone said some mild things like "leaf", "boat" etc. and I was like "That definitely looks like a penis!" and the lady turned to me: "Yes, exactly, thank you!". It was fun.
Everybody seems to wonder why in Pompeji there is an abundance of phalli and erotic images, while rome and similar cities do have much less of those. The reason is quite simple: The pendulum swang back in later times to some kind of nearly victorian prudishness. The erotical imagery and all those markers simly were erased - but at that time, Pompeji already was under a few feet of sooth, so it did not get the same cleanup.
A gentleman exploring the wilds of Africa stopped by a village to resupply. While there, he saw a sign in English which read "convent and whoarhouse 2 miles". The man was horrified by the idea the poor nuns, who probably didn't even know English, were being advertised so. He took the sign down, tucked it under his arm, and went to find the convent, so he could break the news to the Abbess. At each fork in the path, there was another sign, same wording, pointing the way. The explorer took each sign down, and tucked it under his arm. When he arrived at the convent, he pulled the bell, and a young nun came to the gate. "Welcome to St. Anthony's," she said, "convent and whoarhouse." The explorer was shocked. "You... you know about the signs?" "Yes, Sir," the nun assured him. "We put them up ourselves." The man did a mental doubletake. Now his thoughts were going in an entirely different direction. "Well, ummmmm, how much?" The nun smiled. "Fifty dollars American, Sir," she said. He pulled out his wallet and paid. The young nun opened the gate, took the signs, and indicated a door. "Go through there, and just follow the signs," she said. The man went through the door, and followed signs through several other doors, until he found himself outside. The convent fences were flush against the building he had just exited. Confused, he looked around, and saw another sign. "Congratulations. You have just been screwed by the nuns of St. Anthony's.
This one isn't dark. Pompeii is full of this kind of stuff, and it's treated as comical by most tour guides there.
It's only not dark if you don't think that the women and girls in brothels are all there of their own free will. It's often not the case. Probably wouldn't have been the case back then either.
Load More Replies...It's also worth noting that iirc, Pompeii was kind of the holiday p**s-up getaway town for many romans. (can't remember a source for this, but I do remember reading it) so it's no surprise the place was crammed with brothels.
People don't change. So many penis drawings on sidewalks and walls to this day.
The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft in Berlin was founded in 1919 and was the first of it's kind to research trans, gay and intersex individuals. It housed an enormous collection of notes and books on sexual research and was one of the first targets of the nazi bookburnings. Everyone's seen the pictures but very few people know what was actually burned.
And now modern fascists are citing "lack of historical evidence" as a weapon against LGBTQIA. You know, the evidence that their predecessors burned. Pure unadulterated (cl)a*s right there.
That's their method of operation, just like "create the problem 'fix' the problem they create" "destroy evidence, cite lack of evidenceas reason for dismissal"
Load More Replies...One of the, if not THE, lead doctors was Magnus Hirschfeld. I probably spelt that wrong... He was WAY ahead of his time, as was the Institute. Makes me wonder how far back trans surgery (and LGBT+ research) was set back when this was lost
for surgery.. almost 30 years. Hirschfeld's institute was performing surgeries in the late 1920s to early 1930s. The rest of the west didn't catch up until around the mid-1950s, when american surgeons perfected the operations. fun fact: gender confirmation surgery was perfected almost 20 years before heart transplants were successful.
Load More Replies...Dr Hirschfeld was also the one who did extensive research on transgenderism and even went so far to negotiate a so-called "Transenschein" a document he offered to people who want to cross-dress. If they were caught by the police they could show the document and walk away to live their live as they want to. Without that document they were bound to go to jail and/or beaten to death, this Transenschein saved the lives of many people in Berlin in the 20s and 30s up to the moment the Nazis took over.
just so you know, "transgenderism" isn't a real thing. it's a derogatory term made up by bigots to attack the existence of trans people.
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King Ferdinand I, or Ferrante, of Naples kept a so called black museum of the mummified remains of his personal and political enemies. He had them dressed and arranged in various scenes and would often show off the museum to potential rivals/enemies he hadn’t yet killed off. So yeah, pretty messed up.
We should bring this back for murders and pedo's. No jail, no "treatment" just straight to the mummy museum
I personally disagree. Reciprocal depravity or cruelty doesn't fix or prevent anything, it just feeds the black desire of vengeance. It's best to remove the problem people (whether prison, involuntary medical intervention, or even 'humane' execution) and let the survivors move on with their lives.
Load More Replies...Imagine one of the King's rivals at the museum: "Wonderful collection, Your Majesty. But I see that there is a free space over there and... Oh, wait"
Charlie Chaplin impregnated a 15-year-old girl when he was 35. She (Lita Grey) was 8 when he met her.
It's interesting to me how some people are getting hung up on "it was a different time", or some legal "age of consent" nonsense. This was a full-grown adult man who impregnated a CHILD. I don't give two $hits about it being a different time or age of consent. It's wrong, no matter when or where it happens.
15 year olds were not considered children back. Many were married with kids by 15. I'm glad times have changed but you can't logically apply 2024 standards to 1920 standards
Load More Replies...For people talking about "different times" a lot of Charlie's contemporaries did not agree with his well known like of young girls and indeed it ended up getting him black listed in Hollywood, which is why he ended moving out of the country .
Also, he impregnated her when she was 15. God knows when he started raping her.
Load More Replies...The fact that they met briefly at age 12 (not 8 as stated) is irrelevant, the fact that the age of consent was between 10 and 12 in various parts of the US (and elsewhere in the world) at that time ought to be taken into consideration. And 15 is post-pubescent, so not technically paedophilia anyway for those making such claims.
However, as an adult of 35, having a relationship with a 15 year old was illegal at the time, as the age of consent in California has been 18 years old since 1913. So not only was it morally wrong, it WAS illegal.
Load More Replies...No just different laws. He was a monster by the standards of his time.
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A couple of NASA interns several years ago stole a huge number of moonrocks brought back during the Apollo missions, spread them out on a motel bed and had s*x on them, just so they could say they’d had s*x on the Moon.
Yeah, from what I’ve read moon dust/rocks are like a fine silica that can get everywhere and ruin spacesuits - it would be like having sex on rocks made of fibreglass insulation
Load More Replies...Interns? Whit access to any NASA materials AND ability to leave the compound with them? THAT is frightening
Nobody thought that anyone would be that selfish or stupid. The world was a much more trusting place a few decades ago.
Load More Replies...The book "Sex on the Moon: The Amazing Story Behind the Most Audacious Heist in History" by Ben Mezrich does a great job telling this story.
So if someone brought back a bucket of sand from Hawaii, poured it on my bed, then had sex with me I could say I had sex on an Hawaiian beach even though I was never there?
Never steal rocks from Hawaii, Pele doesn't like it. Bad luck, look it up.
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They didn't start using anesthesia on babies until the late 1980s. It wasn't until 1987 that the American Academy of Pediactrics declared it unethical to operate on infants without the use of anesthesia. Mother's were doing everything to convince doctors that their babies could feel pain, but since the doctors said they would have no long-term memory at that point, then it wasn't as important. That's not very long ago!
From wiki-, "In the late nineteenth, and first half of the twentieth century[citation needed], doctors were taught that babies did not experience pain and were treating their young patients accordingly. From needle sticks to tonsillectomies to heart operations were done with no anaesthesia or analgesia, other than muscle relaxation for the surgery.[citation needed] The belief was that in babies the expression of pain was reflexive and, owing to the immaturity of the infant brain, the pain could not really matter."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_babies.
Can confirm this. In 1982, neonatal doctors performed a surgical procedure on my newborn premature son and tossed my frantic protests aside with "Oh, he'll never remember it." Two years later when he fell and broke his two front teeth, A dentist literally dug them out of his gums with the exact same statement as he was forcibly held down.
Partially false. Doctors never beleived that about the pain, it was that they did not know how to properly give anesthesia without killing the baby (it is a very risky imprecise science), and yes some Doctors told parents that as an excuse to calm their nerves, rather than the truth, but Doctors never actually thought that about infant pain, that part is a myth
Let's get this into some sort of perspective. The use of anaesthesia on babies was extremely risky - far more risky than letting the child live with the condition in most cases. Telling a parent that you were going to torture their child would have meant that they wouldn't have consented to necessary surgeries. The same for the doctors; for their psychological and mental well-being they had to have a belief that they weren't causing long-term harm. Was it a perfect solution - of course not, but the technology just wasn't available to safely perfom anaesthetics on children so small.
That's not true. Animal models used in pharmacology would help precisely with the dosage... plus, children died from shock under extreme pain.
Load More Replies...Had my son strapped to a board so a doctor could draw blood. My son was screaming. While I was shaking mad, crying, the doctor turned to me, coldly, I might add, and said, "Are you upset and actually crying? Babies don't feel pain at this stage." 1984. Doctor was a complete douche. Anyone with any empathy could see that my son was in pain! He was a few days old when this happened.
Did ya kick doc in the nuts and ask him if HE felt pain?
Load More Replies...Again with this $hit? I'll go through it again. To this day, we do not understand how anesthesia works, we just know that it does. Being a doctor, and more so a surgeon is about weighing risk. Every medical intervention carries the possibility of death. All of them. This is even more true for babies....and we simply didn't have the technology or knowledge to safely administer anesthesia to babies. Most children do not begin forming long term memories until 3 or 4 years old....Doctors didn't think babies couldn't feel pain....they just understood that it did not matter, when the alternative was a very high risk of death from attempting to alleviate discomfort that they would never remember anyway. So they told the emotional parents a comforting lie in service of a greater good. Doctors have been giving that explanation for nearly 40 years, and people still can't grasp it, why should anyone expect a parent dealing with their child' life threatening medical issue would accept it readily?
You have to realize that the last phrase in almost every "informed consent" is "or death".
Load More Replies...I remember being pinned down by several orderlies, while I screamed. My father was there and crying. I was 5yo. I'm 58yo now and still remember.
I can assure you, we can remember stuff from then! It's just the sensations, the trauma itself. For my entire life I've had an extreme and uncontrollable physical response to surgical procedures that causes me to pass out within a minute, due to the excessively unnecessary surgeries performed on me as an infant to hide my intersex condition.
i'm sorry you went through that, it's an abhorrent practice to put babies through that just to conform to a gender binary
Load More Replies...Its why we question science and science is never settled. ALL science must be questioned continuously.
That's how science actually works. But believing layman over scientists ABOUT science is dumb.
Load More Replies...In 1977 I had to get stitches near my eye after I fell on a toy. They put me in a straight jacket (or something similar) to keep me still while they sewed it up. I was 2 years old and I have a very vague memory of it. Nowadays they just sedate kids instead of traumatizing them.
They wouldn't sedate you for that today, they'd just inject you with a local anesthetic
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My all time favorite - it seems there was some super important Chinese empress who made emissaries and foreign dignataries go down on her at least partly as a sign of dominance.
There is some concensus this was historical slander written after the Empress's passing to justify patriarchal rule. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/9rV9oQqO8M
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Hatshepsut's son tried to get all mention of her erased because she was such a bàdàss pharaoh.
Load More Replies...supposedly there was someone who made up a bunch of stuff like this, or about Catherine the Great, and passed it off as fact.
As in Roman literature, there are some nasty and dubious things said of women.
There are worse ways to make allies I suppose, I'd rather that than go to war
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Shakespeare was not some high-brow fancy cultural icon. He was the trash Hollywood movies of his time. People would go to the theatres to get p**s drunk, yell at actors and solicit women who were advertising themselves in the standing sections. Also, the content of his plays (and poems but that’s not my focal point here) were not rated E for everyone lol I actually can’t believe some of the plays that are taught in school. Sure, it’s easy to miss all the sex and penis jokes if you’re just reading it but a good actor will find them and play them out.
If his plays survived for centuries, then they must have been better than mere trash, whatever the theater-going crowd's habits were at the time.
In Shakespearan parlance the 'length of a man's wit' was in fact a d1ck joke. Which makes the Ravenclaw motto "wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure" take on a whole different meaning.
When we read Romeo and Juliet and Macbeth in school, we most certainly did pick up on all the double entendre. At the start of that part of the curriculum the teachers told us how low brow it was and said we might laugh but had to keep going through the material rather than letting it distract us.
As someone once observed, all he did was string a load of old quotes together :) The fact that the plots have been adapted to other forms (eg West Side Story, The Lion King) tells you that they were pretty well crafted.
Shakespeare's goal was to appeal to the masses, he wrote for the "commoners", the working class, not the elites. Considering the fact that he's been dead for 400 years, and his works continue to be adapted to this day, not sure how a random internet commenter thinks they have the capacity to call one of the most famous writers, ever "trash"
i don't think that shakespeare is remembered for the groundbreaking plots...most were taken from earlier works...and, i don't think he is remembered b/c he had mass appeal...and, i don't think he was remembered for being erudite...i think he is remembered for the writing...the st. crispin's day speech...the hamlet solliquy...the sonnets...the turns of phrase are amazing...great writing is great writing...and, yes, a great actor will bring out all of the baudy humor as well as the raw emotion in the dramas
To be fair he did invent a whole load of new words and phrases that we still use today. One of my favourites is "poisonous bunch-backed toad".
Shakespeare's plays were well written for both the higher classes and the lower classes. Incredible work to keep two different types of audiences engaged. They weren't 'high art', because they were produced for the masses, but they're enduring examples of GOOD art.
How is this "dark history"? The fact that he wasn't as well respected in his lifetime means nothing. There are plenty of artists who were recognized after death (Mozart, Rembrandt, Vermeer, Monet, van Gogh, Gauguin...). Time has tested the quality of Shakespeare's plays.
The inventor of the polygraph also created Wonder Woman, who was based on his wife and the college student the two of them had a polyamorous relationship with.
This doesn't sound dark...just a really open relationship at a time that when it was looked down upon. I think worst thing was the polygraph in this part. Unless there's something I'm missing.
I’m sure the polygraph was a good-faith attempt to get at the truth; it just doesn’t work.
Load More Replies...Well they were polyamorous so they were already dating eachothers before he died.
Load More Replies...as does the heavy bondage play in some of the early Wonder Woman comics
Load More Replies...What IS dark is that the polygraph is pseudo-science and yet is STILL being used by some in Law Enforcement to this day..
That's why polygraph results are inadmissible in court.
Load More Replies...And WW's "Lasso of Truth" was based on that polygraph. Also the early years of the comic WW seemed to get tied up a lot. Marston and his women liked that as well.
Wonder Woman's powers were based on his wife and her looks were based on their third partner.
The Romans f****d a natural birth control into extinction
I forget the details, but essentially there was an herb on some me Greek island that acted as a natural birth control. The Romans proceeded to f**k so often that said plant no longer exists.
JohnCavil01:
Silphium - while its effectiveness and even use as a contraceptive is debated it’s possibly been rediscovered and may in fact just had its name/identity drift overtime and has been hiding in plain sight.
If I remember right, the heart symbol is actually based on the shape of a leaf or seed pod from that plant.
Ok, I give BP credit for getting a pic of plants in the genus Silphium, but the plants in question had the common name “silphium” and were an entirely different plant family, more closely related to carrots or fennel. Botany can be confusing sometimes.
Nit like they can actually get a picture of that plant.
Load More Replies...good for them though for finding birth control...one of the great steps forward for female equality
I mean Egyptian women mixed acacia leaves with honey or used animal dung to make vaginal suppositories to prevent pregnancy… so there’s that
The Golden Thread vine was used by Native Americans as a contraceptive and abórtifacient. Might be useful to know if Republicans make the pill illegal again.
Load More Replies...We have these in Australia, they look like "wet the beds" but are bigger
In ancient Greece, athletes used to compete in the Olympics completely naked. Imagine training your whole life, only to have your legacy reduced to 'the guy who dropped the javelin… and everything else...
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Pole vaulting incidents like this year's would've been more common.
Gymnasium comes from the greek word for naked. Gymnos or γυμνός in Greek.
Ancient Greece was way ahead of its time about nudity, sexual orientations and morals. That's how they went real far in philosophy, maths, geometry, literature, arts, architecture and democracy.
I'm not sure of the causal link. Correlation, certainly.
Load More Replies...I've posted this before, but he must have felt a bit of a d**k.
Load More Replies...Bad joke alert! "Are you a pole vaulter?" "Nein, I am German. How did you know my name was Walter?"
Weener incident where athlete's junk knocked the pole during a vault. Unfortunately/fortunately there was a great photo of the moment that went viral.
Load More Replies...Queen Victoria spent quiet a lot of time writing about her sex life with Prince Albert in great detail. She was also known for being unnecessarily cruel to her daughters and actually survived at least 8 known assassination attempts.
Some of that is due to generational trauma. Her mother isolated her as a young child and was extremely strict. She installed a tutor who had the same ideals and they treated her like a six year old basically until she became queen. They wanted the power they knew she would one day get.
She enjoyed looking at dead people, too -- she had friends and family photographed, and kept those photos to study...
Beatrice, her youngest child, who had just enough of her mother's backbone to get married. Victoria made Beatrice and her husband live near her and attend on her most of their lives. Victoria had hoped Beatrice would never marry and attend on Vicky all her life. Libidos ran strong among the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha kids.
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The inventor of the autopilot crashed his plane while attempting to join the Mile High Club.
that's why you should not try to have sex with the autopilot. At least not while it's working.
There was a newspaper article about this with the title "aerial petting ends in wetting".
The Dutch ate their prime minister.
I think a nice white wine would go better with Dutch.
Load More Replies...“Johan went to the prison to help his brother to prepare for the trip. As they both departed, they got captured by a militant mob, which shot both of them and then left them to the crowds. The crowds did what crowds do best: lose all sense or sanity. According to some reports, the two brothers were stripped naked, mutilated, and had their livers removed and eaten.“
17th century, and he was not exactly popular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_de_Witt.
Load More Replies...Mozart. Loved. Farts and poop jokes. Loved 'em. Read some of his weird letters he sent to friends that were just filled with poop and fart jokes.
While not historically accurate, the movie "Amadeus" shows how he loved fart and poop jokes.
Who DOESN'T like fart and poop jokes?! I'm a 42-year-old woman and I STILL love them XD
Load More Replies...So the genius who wrote a symphony at age 5 enjoyed fart & poop jokes his entire life. Probably related.
... or hear his song "Leck mich im Arsch" (lit. lick me in the @ss) on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C78HBp-Youk
Other examples of his noble works include the song "Leck mir den Arsch recht fein sauber" (lit. "lick my @ss until it is clean"). Even the harmless song "Bona Nox" which is a staple in schoolbooks in a sanitized version, originally had an appeal to "sh?it the bed until it crashes". Mozart was an extreme fan of fecal humor.
Load More Replies...Raphael, the Renaissance painter the Ninja Turtle is named after, died after having s*x with his mistress for an entire day without stopping.
"You can't use "That's what she said"! Steve Carell owns it! OWNS IT!"
Load More Replies...Yo! Raphael, and I came to flow! Deemed dope by the Pope and I boned till I croaked.
> the Ninja Turtle is named after Why is this even worth mentioning
You are right, why even mentioning anything after the fact that he had a turtle named after him? Oh, because of the sex, that's why. Poor guy!
Load More Replies... *TLDR: There were three wars and thousands of dead in Spain in the nineteenth century by three different people called Carlos because my man Fernando VII couldn't get his gigantic footlong penis up*
In the 19th century in Spain the king Fernando VII (who was an absolute a*****e but that's another story) had an approximately 30cm sized penis. That's about a foot. My dude couldn't get it up, and when he did the monster would scare his wives (he had 4, they just kept dying apparently).
At some point some doctor invented the Royal Donut™, basically a rounded pillow with a hole in the middle so he could *do the deed* more comfortably without destroying his wives' insides. And he was able to have two kids! Unfortunately they were two women, and by law in Spain it wasn't allowed for women to rule.
The guy ended up dying in 1833, but before his desth he passed a law stating that, actually, women WERE able to rule and her kid Isabel II would be crowned queen (a few years later, she was like 2 at the time).
His brother Carlos wasn't too keen on letting Fernando's daughter reign so he started a war with his absolutist supporters, but after six years they ended up losing. The thing is, even after losing the war, his family held onto the claim to the throne and there were two more wars years down the line (started by his son and his grandson, both also named Carlos). They were called Guerras Carlistas (Carlist Wars).
The faction of the Carlistas kept being influential into the 20th century and fought along Franco in the Civil War in 1936 holding most of the front in the north of Spain in the earlier stages. They ended up fusing into Franco's party when the dictatorship got established.
So what ended up happening is that because of some guy's gigantic penis thousands died but women can now rule in Spain, and the current heir to the throne is actually a woman.
Yes, along with Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Monaco, the UK, Thailand, Brunei, Nepal, Tonga. Plus the Royal Families of Italy, Bulgaria, Greece, Hanover, Germany, Austria are still around.
Load More Replies...The reason was because he had daughters and changed the rules. Nothing to do with his penis
James Joyce had quite the fart fetish and immortalised it in some very dirty letters to his wife Nora. I don't remember much at all of Ulysses from school but God do I remember the letters.
A real excerpt from one of his letters (one of the more appropriate examples): “I think I would know Nora’s fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.”
And some people say that history is boring!
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Nipple ring fad in Victorian England.
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Also, intimate (and non-intimate) tattoos were all the rage among the upper classes of England including Albert and Victoria.
That would be one of the urban legends, the tale there is apocryphal, believed to have been made up in the 1970s by the dude who brought the piercing into modern usage.
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The pope who had a secret room with frescoes of his lovers as the Virgin Mary. I remember taking a class on religious history for a history credit in college and briefly reading about it.
Priests were allowed to marry until around 1100 AD. (I am not defending the Roman Catholic church, by the way.)
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Marie Duplessis, famous French courtesan who was the inspiration for Marguerite/Camille from La Dame aux Camélias, always wore camelias, usually a white one but a red one when it was her time of the month. She died age 23 of tuberculosis.
Operation Midnight Climax
It was a cia program in the mid 50s that used pr*stitutes to lure unsuspecting men to apartments in New York and San Francisco to d**g them with LSD to test whether the combination of s*x and LSD might influence the men to reveal information the government wanted.
RANDY_MAR5H:
Yeah they picked these people on the "fringes" of society because they knew they wouldn't be going to the police, and if they did, perhaps no one would believe them anyway.
Well, I tried LSD twice, and one of those times I had sex with the guy I was dating at the time. I can't say that I would have spilled any state secrets (if I'd known any, lol) but that was THE best sex of my life. DON'T DO LSD, KIDS but for real, it was magical. We were outside in a jacuzzi, and I kept looking up at the stars, which were vibrating in the sky and were infused with a rainbow of colors. It seemed like we had sex for days, but only two hours had passed when we came down from the LSD and went inside XD I definitely wouldn't do LSD again (too risky; I have four pets who rely on me nowadays) but that one experience was amazing. I can see why LSD addicts keep using. (I'm a recovering addict myself, but my substances of "choice" were cocaine, barbiturates, and gabapentin. Been clean for 3 years!)
can't say D***s but can just straight up name a D**G? this censoring is getting out of hand. and sex?! c'mon!
Can’t say “p a w n” for some reason but we can say “porn.” BP is really inconsistent with its censoring rules. You can say cocaine but you can’t say W***y Wonka.
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P**s poor came from people selling their p**s to tanneries so they could afford to buy food and basic necessities. If you "didn't have a pot to p**s in" you were even worse off.
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In Ancient Rome there was a tax on the trade in urine. It's where the phrase "money doesn't stink" (pecunia non olet) comes from, meaning that no matter its source, money is still money.
Check out https://www.ancientpages.com/2017/12/10/ancient-romans-loved-white-teeth-means-acceptable-get-even-portuguese-urine/ apparently portugese urine was especially prized...
The Byzantine Iconoclasts in the Mid 720's carried out massive pogroms targeting churches and monasteries that openly displayed icons of Christ and the Saints.
One thing the Iconoclasts were fond of doing was rounding up all of the Eastern Orthodox Nuns and Monks they could find and forcing them into the chariot racing stadiums. Once there, the Iconoclasts forced the Nuns and Monks to marry each other in violation of their vows and then consummate the marriage.
In the middle of a stadium.
With 10,000 people watching.
Talk about performance anxiety.
There are doubts about the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm
Sounds like what the Chinese did in Tibet with the Buddhist monks and nuns, as well as trying to wipe out all traces of Tibetan culture.
And this is why the religion invented during the rise of the iconoclastic ideals is iconoclastic
The Newport Sex Scandal.
The Navy heard that there was a common spot where enlisted and civilian men who have sex with men would go for hookups or relationships. To investigate, they sent enlisted personnel to gather intelligence, which resulted in them soliciting sex and participating in the same "immoral acts" that they were trying to criminalize. This led to embarrassment for the Navy, local clergy (many of whom had been discovered engaging in homosexual behavior during the investigation), and political fallout for those in charge of the investigation.
"Hey, we need to figure out if enlisted men are trying to have sex with each other at the Army and Navy YMCA."
"Got it, well lets send some enlisted men to the Army and Navy YMCA to try to have sex with other men, and we'll keep track of who goes for it".
And, because they were undercover and didn't know who the others were, those undercover enlisted men probably had sex with each other.... Reminds me of a drụgbust sting operation where police-narcs posed as dealers, and fbi-narcs as the buyers.
The program was led by Navy undersecretary Franklin Roosevelt (whose homophobia may have been the result of abuse by older boys when he was in prep school). Eventually he was told to cool it, sailors will do what sailors have always done.
rum, sodomy and the lash are the backbone of the navy
Load More Replies...Haha, yes and also The Village People, the group who sang YMCA, were all said to be gay and the song was written for the gay community. They also have a song called "In the Navy."
Load More Replies...Something similar happened in my lovely hometown. Cop decided to bust the massage parler AFTER his "happy ending".
The only female emperor/sovereign of China, Wu Zetian carved her p*ssy onto a mountain.
yes, actually. (she is also known as Wu Zhao just to clear up any confusion if anyone is googling these) she was quite the character to say the least. ._.
Load More Replies...Andrew Jackson beat the brains out of multiple men while in office.
After Martin Luther officially rejected Catholicism’s requirement for celibacy among the clergy, he got married to a former nun. In those days, German tradition had it that the best man had to witness the consummation of the marriage that made it official, so his first sexual encounter with his wife was witnessed in his bedchamber by his best man.
Marriages could be annulled (canceled) after the wedding if the couple hadn’t consummated the marriage with sex, but could not be annulled after consummation, so having someone witness the consummation was a sort of assurance that they made it official and final. Remember that in those days, the Catholic Church did not permit divorce. The nearest thing there was to divorce was annulment of unconsummated marriages.
**EDIT**: I missed several conditions that also permitted annulment, such as the marriage being found to be incestuous, and other conditions. Annulment wasn’t divorce, as much as it was a declaration that the marriage didn’t count or wasn’t valid in one way or another.
King Henry VIII of England was so upset that the Catholic church wouldn’t let him divorce that he split the Church of England from the Catholic Church in order to permit himself to get a divorce.
Actually Henry was also trying to get an annulement, not a divorce, on the grounds that it was against god's will and that she'd previously been married to his brother. It's often referred to as a divorce, but was not.
Yes and the annulment wasn’t granted because Catherine’s nephew was Holy Roman Emperor and influenced the pope.
Load More Replies...That rule is insane. Was it common for siblings to be the best man? It's already bad enough but wow
If that rule really existed/was acted out I suspect it's more for urban legend like the right of the first night
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Mental health issues, PMS hormonal changes, or pretty much anything that made a women less demure and compliant used to be diagnosed as Hysteria, and was treated with Orgasms. These were administered by the doctor, but their hands got tired, thus the Vibrator was born.
Urban legend again. Doctors were not bean flicking female patients as treatment.
I'm going to have to agree with Kira. Just because the news reports it, or even if those doctors wrote about it in their journals, it's doubtful the practice was common. More likely, it was a few isolated incidents, embellished, exaggerated and hyperbolized in order to denigrate women with the insinuation that women had uncontrollable and irrepressable sexual urges ... eg "they were asking for it". I'm sure there were doctors who said it happened, and I'm sure it probably did, but probably not as much as they say it did. I call urban legend on this one. I decided to check this one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/09/victorian-vibrators-orgasms-doctors/569446/ here is absolutely no evidence that Victorian doctors used vibrators to stimulate orgasm in women as a medical technique, asserts the paper, written by two historians at Georgia Tech. “Manual massage of female genitals,” they write, “was never a routine medical treatment for hysteria.”
Load More Replies...There's an absolutely delightful movie about that. Alas, can't remember the director or actors, but it was a hoot. ETA Found it on IMDB It was called "Hysteria"
People often forget about the *Bonobo sex studies* that emerged in the 20th century. Bonobos, one of our closest primate relatives, use sex not just for reproduction but as a way to resolve conflicts, bond, and even trade favors. The findings were pretty shocking at the time because they challenged a lot of human assumptions about sexuality and social behavior. It’s a wild reminder of just how complex and diverse sexual behavior can be, even in nature!
Bonobos are the only species of animals, us included, that does NOT kill their own. The ONLY.
But they will aggressively attack each other. There hasn't been a documented kill between bonobos, but they are three times more likely to attack each other than chimpanzees: https://www.science.org/content/article/bonobos-hippie-chimps-might-not-be-so-mellow-after-all
Load More Replies...They don't make distinction of gender, either. Individuals will have both hetero and homosexual sex.
Bonobos also make no distinction by age, and will happily engage in sexual behaviour with very young individuals. By human standards this makes them monsters and abusers.
It's also why we don't see bonobos in primate exhibits or on TV documentaries, because it's pretty much all they do.
What else should they do? Besides foraging for food (which is in abundance around them) they have nothing else to do. They don't have tech, books, sports or whatever. They're just fückîng bored!
Load More Replies...Philip Barton Key (son of Francis Scott Key) was murdered in broad daylight by Congressman Dan Sickles. Sickles had learned that Key was having an affair with his wife. The ensuing trial was a sensation, and Sickles became the first person in the US acquitted based on a temporary insanity defense.
And his lawyer would later serve on the Supreme Court and was an oddball himself, Edwin Stanton, a legend in legal history who invented a lot of modern day court tactics
Gross. Yay he corrupted the courts and dumb people fell and keep falling for it.
Load More Replies...You don't get to murder someone over sex, these aren't equal things. You can divorce your wife sure you can't murder the guy. Wtf "temporary insanity" isn't a thing, wasn't a thing then isn't a thing now, not in reality. You were mad sure but you were conscious of your thoughts and actions and had the ability to inact them to fruition. You were just mad and plotted and got revenge. You are a murderer.
Nah, he was married to a "female" (as the incels call them) and assumedly had talked to her at some point, so he wasn't an incel, at least.
Load More Replies...The bombing of Dresden in WWII. Everyone remembers the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and its a constant debate of whether it needed to happen. Dresden isn't a debate, it full on did not need to happen. The allies dropped so many bombs that it sucked the oxygen out of the city and created a fire tornado. People were melting in the street, into the street. It got so hot the asphalt become sludge and when people would run out of their houses, they'd get stuck in the pavement which is now hot tar essentially. The reason why the allies bombed it? Because the city had railway connections that would hurt the Nazis. No military base, no weapons manufacturing , nothing. Just a railway system. It was also 1945 at the tail end of the war. France and England had been taken back and Russia was already well into Germany. Between 25,000 to 35,000 civilians died.
Someone didn't pay enough attention in history class
Load More Replies...This is entirely based on a single book that has been long discredited by a Nazi apologist who had worked for Goebbles back 60 or 70 years ago, and in the 90s the person who re-popularized it and is the primary spreader that is the source for the above is Neo-Nazi leader and holocaust denier, David Irving. 1) It had military value at the time, had many troops and was fortified for defense, and the Red Army asked for help bombing it before they attacked it. 2) At the time of the bombing (thanks to post-war German records) we know there were 110 active war factories in Dresden (such as 6 aircraft part plants, ammo factories, rifle assembly plants, and more )with over 50,000 workers, operating full time. 3)The raid was no more intense or amount of bombs dropped as the bombings of Hamburg, Berlin or other cities
There was an element of revenge in this bombing, not just tactics.
The thing is, the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo didn't just accidentally suck the oxygen out of the city. As I recall, this was a deliberate effect called Checker-Bombing. They drew a grid over the bomb zone. Red squares were fire-bombed. Black squares, being surrounded by red squares, had the oxygen sucked out of them. Was supposed to reduce the amount of ordinance while maximizing casualties.
As with Hiroshima and Nagisaki I believe it was a shock and awe tactic. Unfortunately with war sometimes bad things happen, which at the time seem reasonable.
I agree about Dresden. Didn’t need to happen. However, the atomic bombings saved many more lives than it took. An invasion of Japan would have been a horrible bloodbath.
Load More Replies...I can't comment on military aspects of the bombing, but revenge for the bombing of Coventry, specifically the cathedral, played a role. The cathedral in Dresden was fully demolished in the raid and lay in ruins until the mid '90s when it was rebuilt with primarily (exclusively?) private donations. The original building plans were found and, using a number code found on each stone, wherever possible a stone was placed in its original location. Damaged stones were recut to replace missing smaller stones, and the original quarry was located so that new stones could be cut in the original material. As a memorial, old stones weren't cleaned, resulting in a checkerboard of new and old, with mostly old stones lower and new stones higher. The funds for replacing the silver spire top were donated by the congregation of Coventry cathedral, and the fabrication was done by an architectural silversmith from Coventry whose father participated in the bombing raid.
Idk how NSFW this is, but the reason the azthecs sacrificed humans was bc that gave the sun energy to run away from the moon and stars who wanted to murder him and envelop the whole world into darkness.
Somehow nobody ever metions this.
To be honest, the reason the Aztecs sacrificed people was probably they were unable to grow and raise enough food to feed all the people in Tenochtitlan because it was basically built on a swamp.
That is one theory, whih is highly controversial. The given reasons for the sacrifices pre-date the Aztec Empire, and the same practices were done by several other Mesoamerican groups who didn't live near Tenochtitlan.
Load More Replies...The "victims" of the sacrifice were actually elated to be chosen for this honor. Paintings of those sacrifices (made later of course, as the Spanish almost wiped out most indigenous people of South America) usually portray the victims with terrified faces. But they probably were looking completely at ease, almost serene.
They were mostly slaves and prisoners from other tribes, which is why other tribes assisted the Spanish in attacking the Aztecs. They weren't elated or serene when their nails were being torn out on the way to being sacrificed.
Load More Replies...Tipper Gore wanted to put a Parental Advisory sticker on Twisted Sister’s album, because of her own dirty mind. She thought “Under the Blade” was about masochism and bondage.
The congressional hearings that follow were epic. Frank Zappa and John freaking Denver defended rock music and then Dee Snyder basically made a fool of her in front of everyone. It's on youtube and well worth the watch.
Snyder's statement is on YouTube. He was amazing. Glorious putdown
Load More Replies...And here's me thinking that tipper gore was a euphemism for some pretty nasty stuff. Perhaps we should stick a parental advisory.
But meanwhile Tippers beloved country music some of which involves drinking,d***s, banging your cousin or dog does not need a advisory sticker
I wonder what she thought of Loretta Lynn's "The Pill".
Load More Replies...Mozart wrote a song called "lick me in the a*s".
Not a German speaker, but if i'm not mistaken, it should be the equivalent of "f**k off"
"It's a piece in Dm. Sort of Mozart/Bach cross, it's a Mach! It's called lick my love pump"
"The Fappening"- Celebrity Nudes Leak of 2014.
Catherine the Great supposedly had a secret room full of sexually explicit furniture. Chairs and tables with devils and penises carved in the legs and arm rests. I think one specific table had legs that were penises ejaculating that held the main part of the table as they ejaculate.
This has never been 100% confirmed so it still falls under "Urban legend" Originating in the 50s, apparently form the soviets.
Pretty much everything that makes Catherine the Great look obsessed with sex or out of touch was made up to make her look bad. It's all lies.
Again, I'm with Kira on this. Powerful women were (and sadly still are) frequently mocked, ridiculed, lied about.
Load More Replies...They wanted to give her the image of sex obsessed woman, while she wasnt. She did many things for woman, like providing education, and was into art.
Even if she did have them, I think it would fit more into the arts reason than sex. Her reign was during the craze for everything classical, and was at the same time as Pompeii was first being excavated. Pompeii had lots of erotic and penis themed art, furniture and items, so would make sense someone rich and into fashion and art would have a set of furniture made tied into that as a novelty and talking point.
Load More Replies...Every powerful woman in history has nymphomaniac and witch stories made up about her. Catherine the Great was a serial monogamist who had lovers one at a time while she ruled. No different from male monarchs who had a series of mistresses .
Nintendo had s*x hotels at one point.
Seriously, why should humanity be ashamed of some historic character having a sex life? Or even kinks and fetishes? Maybe "lust" and "atrocities" shouldn't be listed on the same page...
Some of them were. Some of them weren’t entirely accurate.
Load More Replies...The Spanish branch of the Habsburg family went extinct due to inbreeding. Several times there were cousin marriages and also uncle and niece marriages. The last of the Spanish Hapsburgs was Carlos the second. He was so inbred his inbreeding quotant was higher than if his parents were brother and sister.
These were kind of painful. I just could not bring myself to upvote any of these posts, accurate or not.
While the nuns were the tools in the abuse of other women, a lot of them were also victims. I don't excuse their behaviour AT ALL. They were bitter and twisted, SOME of them due to the fact that being a nun was forced on them. Having a nun or a priest in the family was seen as a status symbol. I know this, being the offspring of rural Irish catholic parents. My mother wanted a priest so bad. My sister and I were disappointments, as neither of us were going to be catholic let alone nuns.
I couldn't get past #8. Accurate or not, not something I want to be reading.
The list will change order, which one are you talking about?
Load More Replies...Seriously, why should humanity be ashamed of some historic character having a sex life? Or even kinks and fetishes? Maybe "lust" and "atrocities" shouldn't be listed on the same page...
Some of them were. Some of them weren’t entirely accurate.
Load More Replies...The Spanish branch of the Habsburg family went extinct due to inbreeding. Several times there were cousin marriages and also uncle and niece marriages. The last of the Spanish Hapsburgs was Carlos the second. He was so inbred his inbreeding quotant was higher than if his parents were brother and sister.
These were kind of painful. I just could not bring myself to upvote any of these posts, accurate or not.
While the nuns were the tools in the abuse of other women, a lot of them were also victims. I don't excuse their behaviour AT ALL. They were bitter and twisted, SOME of them due to the fact that being a nun was forced on them. Having a nun or a priest in the family was seen as a status symbol. I know this, being the offspring of rural Irish catholic parents. My mother wanted a priest so bad. My sister and I were disappointments, as neither of us were going to be catholic let alone nuns.
I couldn't get past #8. Accurate or not, not something I want to be reading.
The list will change order, which one are you talking about?
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