Parenting is one of life’s biggest and most enjoyable challenges. Helping your children grow into incredibly capable, morally upstanding, and passionate dreamers is every parent’s wish. However… we sometimes lose faith in the future of the human race when we see how some parents are acting online. The sad fact is, just because someone is a parent doesn’t mean that they’re a good one (even if they love their kids as much as anyone else).

There’s an online group on Reddit with 245k members called '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' that’s been active since 2018. It's dedicated to shaming bad moms and all of their mom group drama. From anti-vaxx showdowns to debates about essential oils, the subreddit believes that these parents deserve to be called out for their behavior that, frankly, causes more harm than good.

Scroll down to lose a chunk of your faith in humanity, upvote the best of the worst pics, and do let us know what you think about these anti-parents, dear Pandas. Bored Panda spoke about the drama and misinformation that sometimes can be found in social media mom groups with the moderators of the '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' subreddit, as well as with Samantha Scroggin, the founder of the 'Walking Outside in Slippers' parenting blog. Check out what they had to say below to pick up some great advice.

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This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

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Jonathan
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1 month ago

This needs to stop. There are a lot of Muslims in my country that refuse to get the vaccine because people are saying there is pork in it!!

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Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

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chi-wei shen
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1 month ago

That's the credo of virtually every anti-vaxxer.

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Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

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Rancho Schicklgruber
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1 month ago

Welcome to Dumbfuckistan!

Mewton’s Third Paw
Community Member
1 month ago

Hometown of Y’allQaeda

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Julie C Rose
Community Member
1 month ago

And yet I bet if their government talked about banning ACTUAL assault weapons due to someone ACTUALLY shooting children, she’d screech about “communism”.

giovanna
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1 month ago

Exactly!

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giovanna
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1 month ago

Ahah I love the last reply. And somehow I have the suspect that these kind of people are all up in arms to defend the 2nd amendment. But God forbid they point a thermometer to my child.

Mewton’s Third Paw
Community Member
1 month ago

Look at how many of them joined in in agreement. Some people don’t deserve taxpayer funded services.

Natalia
Community Member
1 month ago

Second reply to the last comment, epic!

Full of Giggles
Community Member
1 month ago

I have to chuckle at “trust the government” because these are the exact type of people who believe Trump won.

Ami Temi
Community Member
1 month ago

Exactly. Anyone who's stupid enough to believe a word Donnie says, was a lost cause from the start.

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Anna Te
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1 month ago

I had the exact same thing said by a patient - and I work in Switzerland! The crazies are everywhere...

Les Izmore
Community Member
1 month ago

People are afraid of radiation from a thermometer yet hold an electronic device (phone) against their skull. Ignore what is inconvenient

Lexi Mitchell
Community Member
1 month ago

People on Facebook spouting government conspiracy theories are o baffling. You’re on FACEBOOK but you’re worried about a thermometer?

ComfyPanda
Community Member
1 month ago

Absolute GOLD!!!

Donkey boi
Community Member
1 month ago

I had this at my clinic, a mother said almost exactly that, then didn't want us to use the thermometer because 'infrared lasers scramble the pineal gland!', Sorry lady but that's not how these things work, they actually measure the infrared being given off by the body!

Nora the mistake 0_o
Community Member
1 month ago

it is a f****** thermometer Karen

Emperor Kitten
Community Member
1 month ago

The funny part is they probably are winning at life in comparison

Daniele Ribolla
Community Member
1 month ago

ignorance is the worst thing on earth!

Daniele Ribolla
Community Member
1 month ago

red low power laser light is only as a pointer to aim to measuring point. temp is measured passively with the internal infrared probe that reveal temperature value of IR waves emitted by the body or object surface......... NO LASER OR WHATEVER EMISSIONS AT ALL

backatya
Community Member
1 month ago

The last comment was funny

Elizabeth Tunney
Community Member
1 month ago

It’s a photoshopped gun, in reality it’s a forehead thermometer,

Brent Kaufman
Community Member
1 month ago

In the 70s they came to schools with these horrible looking guns that gave shots for swine flu. Then word went around that they hurt less than regular shots, so we just accepted the hassle of going to school after hours and getting the shot. We survived.

elfin
Community Member
1 month ago

So, if I'm understanding correctly, a "gun object" is something that is not a gun. Right?

Marie
Community Member
1 month ago

Trust the government, take your vaccines - that is an excellent advice, thanks, Karen 👍

H.L.Lewis
Community Member
1 month ago

Actually food inspectors use the same type of thermometer. It does not touch the product so it is a sanitary way to make sure the temp is where it is supposed to be.

Cameron Alford
Community Member
1 month ago (edited)

Trump supporters: "oh trumps not racist he looooves black people. oh and he is the best president in american history!" Me: bitch shut the f**k up because if he was biden wouldnt be president

Lord Mysticlaw
Community Member
1 month ago

Wow, people are so so so stupid

Erik Granqvist
Community Member
1 month ago

Way better then termometers from my childhood. They were mainly put in the poo-shoot.

Big J
Community Member
1 month ago

They want to make a stink when thermometers that look like guns are pointed at children but not when actual guns are pointed at children.

grafxgal60073
Community Member
1 month ago

Again, the universe messed up and allowed this woman to have children.

WholesomeArmyweeb
Community Member
1 month ago

Orange is the new black? Nah Round here it’s “thermo is the new gun”

Jane Alexander
Community Member
1 month ago

Oh hell no! Point that thing at me or my kid and see where it points next!

A Random Panda
Community Member
1 month ago

Those poor, poor people.... run low on common sense and brain cells. Actually, they might not own any.

Gillian Mackenzie
Community Member
1 month ago

Just. Wow. So. Dumb.

Timmy
Community Member
1 month ago

Just because someone doesn't have a temperature doesn't mean they aren't infected.

Aline Luisa
Community Member
1 month ago

Ok wow. JUST WOW.

Layla Corman
Community Member
1 month ago

I don't check the forehead. I think it's way less invasive to check the inside of the wrist. AND it's more accurate!

Jill
Community Member
1 month ago

I have to admit that the imagery of having a thermometer pointed at my head bothered me and still does, but I also still think it's the least I can do. (Also, Im always curious about the subtle changes in body temp as well.) Just because we dont show it on the outside, doesnt mean we arent nervous.

Eric Lafleur
Community Member
1 month ago

Karen is affraid that if they find that her spawns are running a fever, she will have to keep them home and won't be able to "talk to the manager".

Anna Banana
Community Member
1 month ago

This is satire, right? RIGHT?!

Bart Pang
Community Member
1 month ago

Kerans and Kens should always be given a choice. Contacless forehead thermometer or analog rectal thermometer.

Leo Domitrix
Community Member
1 month ago

I saw this and lost my will to live.

Demon Child
Community Member
1 month ago

Guys don't consent to shots or EpiPens it will lead to trauma and when they are an adult your child will inject drugs into themselves because of it

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1 month ago

I'm confused, you're saying a child seeing someone geting a shot or epipen will make a the child do drugs? Doesn't make sense. My older brother had to take a a needle pen every night for years because of a health issue. So since I saw my brother treating his health issue when I was a little girl, I'm gonna do drugs as an adult?

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Danieletc
Community Member
1 month ago

Make it STOP!! Get them in the school and then shoot them with REAL guns!! This is AMERICA!

Vicky Zar
Community Member
1 month ago

Well the simplest solution would be: don't make the thermometers look like guns! Ours don't.

Teucer T
Community Member
1 month ago

To be fair.... They suspend kindergarten students for sandwich guns.

Mewton’s Third Paw
Community Member
1 month ago

“To bE fAIrrrr” shut the fûck up

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"In my experience with online parenting communities, it's best to abide by the rules posted in these groups. Usually, that means no selling anything and no foul language, at a minimum. I generally try to be patient with people and open to different viewpoints, but it's aggravating when people are acting ignorant or spreading misinformation. In those cases, I try to give evidence of the facts without personal attacks," parenting blogger Samantha said.

Samantha used to be a professional journalist and is now a public information officer which means that she's very wary of fake facts. "Parents will make all kinds of claims in parenting groups online, including that vaccines are harmful. They'll recommend all sorts of remedies. But it's up to us to seek out reputable sources of information to help us make our own decisions on what's best for our kids," she warned that we have to do proper research instead of believing every bit of advice that we find online.

"I think we should reserve judgment of others' parenting styles when the actions taken are harmful to the child. And I realize what is harmful is open to interpretation. But if no one is being abused, let's have some grace for one another and the choices we make. Each child is different, and parents often know what works best for their child. Parenting is hard, and we can use as much support as we can get," she added.

#4

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

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Natalia
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1 month ago

Hehehe

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#5

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

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Sleazy Weaver
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1 month ago

Animal abuse & child abuse all in one.

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#6

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

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Natalia
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1 month ago

Awkward 😬

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Meanwhile, a lot of the subreddit's moderators pitched in to answer Bored Panda's questions. The mods explained that mom groups can sometimes be full of potentially dangerous misinformation, a desire to make money off more naive parents, and perpetuating "toxic rhetoric with zero consequences." The community also calls out those online groups that fanatically believe they're raising their kids "The Right Way" and anyone not doing so is a bad parent.

"The biggest lies are the coordinated lies spread in these groups on new parents at a vulnerable point of their lives. These women don’t need essential oils, or colloidal silver, they need paid family leave, affordable post-Partum care, health equities," one moderator explained. "New parents can be as dramatic as they want to be, they’re sleep-deprived and scared and have bills piling up and a new baby. Parental groups are allowed to be dramatic, they reflect the rawest human nature at one of the most 'precious' and yet frighteningly lonesome, most physically and mentally demanding, moments of our lives."

#7

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

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Donkey boi
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1 month ago

'Next slide please...'

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#8

Gay Satanic Clowns

Gay Satanic Clowns

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*screamsinbisexual*
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1 month ago

Of course, I am one of the gay satanic clowns lol

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#9

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

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Ellen Ranks
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1 month ago

Don't know which one is worse, the original post or the reply.

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The moderator continued: "So when people enter their lives promising a listening ear, a magical solution, and then shame them for breastfeeding or not breastfeeding, for co-sleeping, or sleep training, or not using magical amber teething beads, or for choosing vaccinations, then those are the heinous people that need to be shamed. They are actively manipulating people with a phony agenda and they need to be called out.”

Another moderator told Bored Pand that what inspired them to start the subreddit in the first place was the overall culture in mom groups that pushed their personal parenting philosophies as the one and only way to parent.

"These groups (like Cherry Universal, with specific subgroups for the crunchy moms and the sanctimonious moms) focus on preaching their way of parenting and viciously attack anyone who doesn’t fall in line. They’re a bigger problem for society too. Do you want to know where the anti-masking movement started? Look at posts from March-May of 2020 in crunchy mom groups. They push and perpetuate vaccine misinformation and an overall general mistrust of science and they use shame, groupthink, and banning to enforce their beliefs."

#10

Found On A Baby Sleep Help Website. Says

Found On A Baby Sleep Help Website. Says

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Foxxy (The Original)
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1 month ago

Those poor babies.

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#11

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

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Dark_flame
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1 month ago

😳😱

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#12

*stares In Cps*

*stares In Cps*

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troufaki13
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1 month ago

Imagine being their friend and she invites you over for chili. HELL NO!!

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However, the mod pointed out that far from every single mom group is bad. "Our birth month group, for example, has been the saving grace of my journey into parenthood. I have a cohort of parents who all have a child at the same age as mine. It’s a great way to get a quick pulse on typical development and also just feel generally supported, validated, challenged to be a better parent or find different and better ways to parent in a shame-free environment. I have a virtual village and that is just really incredible."

They continued: "To be really honest, it was how supportive I found my birth month group to be that sent me out in search of additional groups. My infant won’t eat baby food—oh, maybe I should check out this baby-led weaning group for ideas! (It was great, by the way.) But then when we started stumbling onto other groups that were just cesspools of negativity, abuse, bullying, etc, we learned about the subculture of 'mommy drama groups' and decided to bring it out into the public eye."

#13

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

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troufaki13
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1 month ago

This is so wrong on so many levels...

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#14

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

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troufaki13
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1 month ago

Apparently it's a privilege that comes with parenthood :/

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#15

This Seems Like A Healthy Relationship

This Seems Like A Healthy Relationship

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troufaki13
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1 month ago

Relationship goals *not*

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We’ve written extensively about how to be a great parent and how to help your kids become independent. And, considering that there still are (and always will be) plenty of parents out there who either stifle their kids or who constantly exhaust themselves, the advice bodes repeating.

Anita Cleare, a parenting expert and the author of ‘The Work/Parent Switch,’ explained to Bored Panda in a previous interview all about how to overcome the desire to be a ‘perfect’ parent and how to stay positive when we’re all way, way too exhausted.

According to parenting expert Cleare, aiming to be a ‘perfect’ parent is the wrong way to go about things. This does more harm than good because it puts lots of unreachable expectations and undue pressure on both parents and children alike.

#16

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

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Deborah B
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1 month ago

If WaTeR WorkED, YoU WouLdN'T NeEd To kEeP DRinKiNg It....

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#17

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

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Marie
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1 month ago

"some scientists"

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#18

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

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River Webb
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1 month ago

if I don't get anything out of it, it doesn't matter

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“Trying to be a perfect parent is bad for children and bad for parents because it sets everybody up to fail. Research shows that ‘good enough’ parenting is best for children,” Cleare explained.

Instead, the expert suggests that all parents aim for ‘good enough’ parenting that actually helps improve our kids’ independence instead of them being overly-reliant on us.

In Cleare’s words, this involves “getting it right most of the time but also failing your children in ways they can handle—so that they gradually increase their independence.”

#19

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

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Natalia
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1 month ago

C'mon people! I'm sure we can do better than that. Please educate yourselves.

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#20

Do Babies Give Hickies?

Do Babies Give Hickies?

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River Webb
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1 month ago

please tell me this is a joke

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#21

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

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1 month ago

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In Australia drs were giving under 5 year olds flu shots with a flu vaccine brand that was stipulated NOT to be used for babies and toddlers. Result was febrile convulsions and brain damage. Yep. Trust your doctor. This was in 2012.

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According to parenting expert Cleare, “Great parents make mistakes but they try to learn from them (and not to repeat them too often!).”

No matter your parenting style, you can’t do much if you’re overworked and exhausted. That means that looking after yourself is priority number one. If you put yourself last, you’re not doing your kids any favors, Cleare told Bored Panda.

#22

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

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Foxxy (The Original)
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1 month ago

Poor girl, how embarrassing for her.

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#23

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

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giovanna
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1 month ago

You sign him up for real school

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#24

I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

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howohowo
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1 month ago

what did I just read

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“Even when you are really busy, try to find regular 5-20 minute breaks in your day when you can relax, practice some mindfulness, or do something joyful,” she said.

“Looking for the positives really does increase positivity,” the parenting expert added, suggesting that we try to maintain positive mindsets by being grateful and thinking about, for example, the 3 things that we’re glad to have in our lives.

#25

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

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Ozacoter
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1 month ago

Wow. Lazy excuse to be a lousy parent.

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#26

They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

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Evelína Zlá
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1 month ago

Please... take the poor doggo from her...

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#27

My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

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Foxxy (The Original)
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1 month ago

I actually have never heard of someone taking antibiotics BEFORE tooth extraction. Is this really a thing coz I have had 4 teeth extracted and not once did I need to do that. Afterwards yes, but not before.

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Meanwhile, Lenore Skenazy, the president of the Let Grow nonprofit that aims to promote kids’ independence and fights overprotection, explained to us that children’s confidence grows when they know that others believe in them.

“A teacher, coach, grandparent, or, of course, parent who thinks you are terrific and ready to wow the world can make all the difference in the world,” Skenazy said, pointing out that when the support’s not there, it can have negative consequences on the child. So it’s important to balance support while also letting kids develop their independence.

According to Skenazy, how a parent tells their kids something is often more important than what they tell them to do. Kids take cues from grownups, so even phrasing something differently or using a different tone can have positive effects even if the topic that’s being talked about is far from pleasant.

#28

Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

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River Webb
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1 month ago

child pageants should be illegal, its just plain cruel

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#29

Egg Fast Keto Mom Group

Egg Fast Keto Mom Group

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J. Cole
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1 month ago

Don't sit behind her on the bus... Get it? Fart joke.

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#30

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

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Ozacoter
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1 month ago

Me potentially killing people and being proud of it.

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“The best way to make sure that a child starting out in the world feels like their parents believe in them—rather than simply being fed up—is for the parent to make it explicit!” Skenazy explained that this is how parents can communicate to their kids that it’s time to be more independent.

The expert also highlighted that telling the child that you’ll always love them, even though they’re becoming more independent is a healthy, mature way of communicating with them. However, that relies heavily on the parents themselves learning to loosen their grips on their kids and setting the bar for their expectations lower (which, maybe counterintuitively, leads to healthier, happier families).

So, dear Readers, what did you think of this list? Were there any pics that made you go, “Wow, that’s enough internet for me today?” Where do you think the line between being a good and a bad parent lies? What’s the best way to avoid drama on parent groups on social media? Share your thoughts and feelings in the comment section below. And remember, stay excellent!

#31

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

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Dark_flame
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1 month ago

"Please don't ask me to explain why." 🙃

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#32

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

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Zedrapazia
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1 month ago

People have a bad mood because of Covid-19, not 5G.

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#33

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

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Rancho Schicklgruber
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1 month ago

Have you tried the Amish...?

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#34

If You Have To Ask...

If You Have To Ask...

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Moon
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1 month ago

Wait what the f**k

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#35

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

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Evelína Zlá
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1 month ago

This one is actually funny...

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#36

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

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River Webb
Community Member
1 month ago

next thing you know it, breastmilk will cure cancer

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#37

Can’t Find Science To Back Up Your Claim? Must Be God

Can’t Find Science To Back Up Your Claim? Must Be God

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Ellen Ranks
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1 month ago

Oh GOD!

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#38

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

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BrokenFlame
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1 month ago

Bruh this child is going to have self-esteem issues if the parents continue to do this all the way up to adult stage.

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#39

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

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troufaki13
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1 month ago

I think they're called shamans, but I don't think they believe in Jesus :/

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#40

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

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Natalia
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1 month ago

"If you breastfeed like a REAL mom".... WHAT THE...? ???

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