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The concept of providing exposure instead of just recompense for work is a problem that affects many businesses, and "For Exposure" on Twitter exposes this behavior. The page collects direct statements from people and organizations who have made offers to work for exposure rather than payment to professionals in a variety of areas, including artists and photographers. These statements reveal a disregard for the time and effort required to produce high-quality work.

"For Exposure" seeks to raise awareness about the significance of appreciating professionals' efforts and compensating them fairly for their services by sharing these messages. The page has spurred significant discussions about the importance of labor and the necessity of valuing people who devote their time and effort to their art. It serves as a reminder that experts need to be paid adequately for their work and that publicity alone is insufficient.

The article also includes an exclusive interview with Ryan Estrada who is an established comic artist, author, and the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, so make sure to keep on reading.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem is, they will have had enough writers agreeing to do an article for free to make it worth their while to keep asking. If they ask 10 writers, and one or two agree to no fee, why would they change their policy? It's the same with "influencers" They've obviously had some businesses or individuals agree to provide something free of charge so they just keep on sending out begging messages because it works.

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Bored Panda reached out to Ryan Estrada, the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, to learn more about his inspiration behind the page and his thoughts on compensation and recognition in the creative industry.

Ryan shared that the whole thing started as a joke. "I'd been seeing a lot of 'txt' accounts, so when I got a really dumb message about working for no pay, I thought to myself 'I bet I could fill up a txt account of these for exposure messages for a whole week!' I spent an hour procrastinating by tinkering with it, and before I knew it, I'd scheduled a year's worth of posts."

The "For Exposure" Twitter account gained massive popularity over the years, reaching millions of people and changing the conversation around terrible offers. Estrada shared that "everyone from aspiring teen artists to Eisner, Emmy, and Grammy winners followed the account. I was really happy to see how much it changed the conversation. How people would reply to terrible offers with 'this sounds like something out of @forexposure_txt' and the places where offers like that were made got better." Despite its success, Ryan recently decided to end the account after ten years when Elon Musk, whom he had quoted on the account multiple times, bought Twitter, and it no longer felt as fun to work for free to keep the account running.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I ordered the filet from your restaurant, but then I found a hot dog cart outside who only charged a dollar. I got woefully sick from it. Why didn't you stop me?!?!"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks like the bride will just have to make do with grainy snaps taken by the guests on their phones as the memento of her big day

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We also asked Ryan about his experience with compensation and value recognition in his work and what steps he has taken to address it. The artist replied, "Everyone who makes art has to fight to make a living at it. The place I learned the most was when I ran a custom comic company. People would order comics about their boyfriends as superheroes, or 'how we met' comics for their weddings, comics about their company to hand out at trade shows, that kind of thing. I started off charging next to nothing, and that price ended up shrinking due to repeated demands for redos. Eventually, I upped the price just because I couldn't keep up and I wanted to slow the orders down."

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The creator of the page went on to explain how he gradually increased his prices, and as he did, he found that his orders actually increased as well. He said, "I ended up charging 50 times what I charged in the beginning, and making rules that everything they wanted in the comic needed to be said in advance. If they wanted any changes, they would have to pay again. The professional rate made people trust that they were getting a professional product. And the confident, unapologetic demand to be treated like a professional invited customers who were glad to do it."

Estrada said that he has taken the lessons he learned from running his custom comic company into the rest of his career. While he only works on projects he's passionate about now, he's confident in his worth and has no problem asking for fair compensation.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's right, you shouldn't call 911 for things like that, it should be used for things like complaining about not getting the right pizza delivered or asking the police to send someone over to open a jar of pickles

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When asked for advice he would give to young artists and professionals who are just starting their careers and may be struggling with the issue of being offered exposure instead of fair payment. Ryan's response was: "You are going to spend your whole life making art for little to no money. But make sure it's YOUR art. When you make someone else's art for no money, you only expose yourself as someone who works for free. I can't tell you how many people told me how much exposure I'd get from designing their logo. I'd love to ask them to name ANY designer of ANY logo. Spend your time making the art that only you can make, that you are passionate about, and you will discover untold ways to monetize it."

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Estrada emphasized the need to break down the stigma surrounding compensation and treatment in order to build a culture that values and respects the contributions of professionals across various industries. "We need to get rid of the stigma of talking about compensation and treatment. Not just with our peers, so we know how to compare what we are being offered to common standards... but to the people who want to hire us. Don't be afraid to question, or ask for what you deserve. Even I have to be reminded sometimes. Last year, I started posting AI-generated comics based on @forexposure_txt quotes and hundreds of people rightfully called me out for going against the very mission of the account. They were absolutely right, and I appreciate their kindness in pointing it out to me so I can do better. Extend that same kindness to the rest of the world, so everything can get better," he said to Bored Panda.

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Ryan's experiences collaborating with various publishers and companies, such as Scholastic, Star Trek, and Garfield, have helped him understand the importance of fair compensation and recognition in the creative industry.

"Anyone whose 'exposure' has ever been worth it for me was already successful enough that paying me was not even a question," he shared with Bored Panda. "It took many years and a lot of hard lessons to know how to stand up for myself, so I hope others can use the ten years of quotes on @forexposure_txt to learn the red flags, know they're not alone, and have the confidence to stand up for what they deserve."

He also urged others to extend the lesson to help and support authors in their own communities. "Like for example, if you enjoyed the ten years of unpaid work I put into @forexposure_txt, buy one of my books! I have a new one called 'Occulted' coming out in May!" he added.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a seamstress I felt this. I don't do work for free for anyone except my family. Even then they provide the fabric (except my kids, lol). I have volunteered My services to My son's drama department and My church for their plays. That is my choice. I hate hearing, "but you custom made costumes for these plays for free". Yes, I did but again, MY choice. Also at the time we were struggling to make ends meet and the drama department allowed my son to join and not pay the fees. I was so grateful that I donated my time. My time and experience is valuable and I seem to hear a lot of "but anyone can sew." Okay then, YOU do it.

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Susan Reid Smith
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm over "anyone can sew." Have at it. Please don't forget get the tools you need. Not the sewing machine, the pins, tape measure, scissors and seam ripper. Get an extra seam ripper, I speak from many years of experience.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Making a completely custom made dress takes days on end, probably at least a week's work would be going into that. That is time that could not be spend on something else that would actually make you earn money so you can pay the bills. Time is a commodity like anything else, except for the fact that you will only ever been given a limited amount of it, so spend it wisely. Expecting a wedding gift worth a week's work is a lot to ask for, and I think the bride underestimate the value of such a dress, since she does not accept a no, when it is given with an explaination. Instead she goes straight to shaming her "friend" in a (hopefully) futile attempt at getting her wishes to become true, by manipulation of her friends feeling into guilt. Asking is ok, but not accepting a no when you have been given the reasons, is just plain rude.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always love how people think you should 'gift' them something because they are somehow entitled to it because they decided to get married. Or have a baby. Or anything. I would write back, "Oh man, I feel you. You have no idea how much stress I'm under paying bills and my rent is due and I work another job, and I have friends trying to get me to do things for them for free after I already discounted it and then I get called names on top of that. Life is pretty stressful. So maybe we're both too stressed out right now to handle it and you should go with one of those high end bridal shops. Luck and love."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, you are being reasonable and your friends are pricks that need to shut their traps and actually do something about it if they want to throw stones. Smh...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA- who pays for a wedding dress as a gift!?! The bride and her friends are delusional

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would be honored to pay only 600 plus materials for a custom wedding dress. That's incredible. Pay people to work.

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Jenny Lipka
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Real friends offer to pay you for your services. Getting mad you won't do something for free is ridiculous.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I did make a pregnant friend’s wedding dress for free, the difference is that I was the one who OFFERED it first as a wedding gift, and I’m strictly a hobbyist sewer. It’s not the sort of thing you just assume someone who is a professional will do for you.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Other friends" are always so easy into shaming other for not giving "a mutual friend" what they want, but if you'd suggest they all pitch in, they're gone faster than roaches in daylight 😂

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The biggest problem of doing any work for free is when they come back, time and time again complaining, wanting things changed and redone, which never ends. They complain about the quality of the work and expect a refund, after paying nothing.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That person is not her friend. She's a user and an opportunistic a$$hole.

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Abi
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

nta you're already giving her a discount and she's asking for more? the friend is the ahole

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"...it's not like I'm a high end bridal shop..." No, you're actually a step up from a bridal shop, who are selling mass-produced dresses. You're on a level with a custom couturier.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, 600 pounds for a custom wedding dress with embroidery is a hell of deal.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SHE is the a**hole. To be kind, you might chalk it up to her pregnancy hormones.

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JD Dillon
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't blame the baby for her selfish attitude. I bet she's using that baby to guilt people into doing all sorts of free things for her. She's just another entitled mother-to-be.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

High end bridal shops don't sell custom made dresses for 600 pounds. Also what job does the friend have? OP should ask her for something free from that place of business.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's moments like these you find out a) what a true friend you are, and b) the true value in being their friend.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your "friend" is the a-hole for just expecting you to do it for free.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pregnant bridezillas are the absolute worst combination of entitled rage.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. But I'm curious whether the OP had been invited to the wedding before being asked to do the dress for free. Wouldn't change my answer, but wb interesting to know.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a guy I am saying you are not the ahole. I know custom dresses aren't cheap and as other people have said, your discount is the gift.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a very entitled person,.buy her the fabric, notions, thread etc and charge for them, then give her a sewing pattern from the hobby shop. Maybe she'll complete it before she pops.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Normally if you would charge somebidy $2400 for a dress your friend is asking for and onlyb charging her $600 I believecthatvis fair. NTA.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

nta. give an itemized list of what she's paying for: materials, time, labor. if she's a real friend, she'll pay or deal without guilting

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nta unless she is like your best friend, like a sister to you. But casual friend/acquaintance is a no go.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the bride expecting everyone else to gift her $600 wedding gifts! If I was OP I'd be like fine as a wedding gift I'll do it for $500 (or however much she would spend on a gift)

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"It's a privilege to work for my benefit" followed by "check your ego at the door", brilliant

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"HR might want a word with you soon." That word's going to be, "We fired the other person for harassment and threats. We apologize. Please don't sue us."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I expect Hugh Jackman to call and declare his undying love for me, but looks like we're both out of luck.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That man is really gaining points in his running for the 'Biggest Scum on Earth' award.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Saying 'no offence' immediately means that you will say something offensive

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tbf you can also seduce them but you need to bring something to the table to be interesting in the first place

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful. He's a violent felon. Weird how they don't introduce him like that. "Live on stage, Violent Felon Chris Brown!! Don't look at him funny he'll slap the s**t outta ya!"

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