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The concept of providing exposure instead of just recompense for work is a problem that affects many businesses, and "For Exposure" on Twitter exposes this behavior. The page collects direct statements from people and organizations who have made offers to work for exposure rather than payment to professionals in a variety of areas, including artists and photographers. These statements reveal a disregard for the time and effort required to produce high-quality work.

"For Exposure" seeks to raise awareness about the significance of appreciating professionals' efforts and compensating them fairly for their services by sharing these messages. The page has spurred significant discussions about the importance of labor and the necessity of valuing people who devote their time and effort to their art. It serves as a reminder that experts need to be paid adequately for their work and that publicity alone is insufficient.

The article also includes an exclusive interview with Ryan Estrada who is an established comic artist, author, and the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, so make sure to keep on reading.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem is, they will have had enough writers agreeing to do an article for free to make it worth their while to keep asking. If they ask 10 writers, and one or two agree to no fee, why would they change their policy? It's the same with "influencers" They've obviously had some businesses or individuals agree to provide something free of charge so they just keep on sending out begging messages because it works.

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Bored Panda reached out to Ryan Estrada, the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, to learn more about his inspiration behind the page and his thoughts on compensation and recognition in the creative industry.

Ryan shared that the whole thing started as a joke. "I'd been seeing a lot of 'txt' accounts, so when I got a really dumb message about working for no pay, I thought to myself 'I bet I could fill up a txt account of these for exposure messages for a whole week!' I spent an hour procrastinating by tinkering with it, and before I knew it, I'd scheduled a year's worth of posts."

The "For Exposure" Twitter account gained massive popularity over the years, reaching millions of people and changing the conversation around terrible offers. Estrada shared that "everyone from aspiring teen artists to Eisner, Emmy, and Grammy winners followed the account. I was really happy to see how much it changed the conversation. How people would reply to terrible offers with 'this sounds like something out of @forexposure_txt' and the places where offers like that were made got better." Despite its success, Ryan recently decided to end the account after ten years when Elon Musk, whom he had quoted on the account multiple times, bought Twitter, and it no longer felt as fun to work for free to keep the account running.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"I ordered the filet from your restaurant, but then I found a hot dog cart outside who only charged a dollar. I got woefully sick from it. Why didn't you stop me?!?!"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks like the bride will just have to make do with grainy snaps taken by the guests on their phones as the memento of her big day

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So the best idea that came out of my wedding (it wasn't the marriage :D) was that we bought 3 fairly nice, kid friendly digital cameras, and gave them to her 3 boys. (Ages 10,7,3). Their job was to go around and take pictures of everybody. They felt very included, had a lot of fun, and we got a ton of great pictures.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Im shocked that they thought that would work. What a******s.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Attention everyone: The bride called me here and just told me she's scamming me so I won't be staying. They won't have a photographer now, so please feel free to take pictures of their special day since that's all they'll have. Thanks and have fun!" ::quickly leaves::

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't believe someone would even consider something like this. The world is going to sh it.

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Christopher Jones
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sounds good. Three weeks later... wheres my photos? Oh we can meet to get you those. Its a $3500 meeting.

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Asher Tye
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Believe it or not "I tricked you" doesn't actually entitle you to services.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was a wedding photographer, and u don't even BRING ur camera to the initial meeting, but it's just to show ur work. This couple was super stupid

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People have tried this on me, I’m a contractor. They call for a free estimate on some bogus job, then when I show up they say, “while you’re here can’t you just fix XYZ, it should only take you a minute.” I hate people.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have walked around for an hour pretend" take" shots, then left. When she asked for the photos I would have said "ha tricked you"...the end.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I want to know how she thought that the initial meeting includes taking actual photographs when photographer clearly said the first meeting is focused on current portfolio following a discussion of budget and expectations, nothing about practice shots or anything similar

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shocking. Did you contact the Marine Corps about it? If they were part of the Marines I think this would be something that would reflect negatively upon the Corps which is punishable.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she didn't claim to be a Marine herself (although she said the groom was), so I'm inclined to give the real Marines the benefit of the doubt re their involvement in this individual's despicable (not to mention stupid) behavior.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have been married to my lovely wife for coming up 20 years. We took great efforts to get our wedding photos put into a nice book etc, we found them in the loft this year when sorting out, haven't look at them or cared about them in 20 years. I think iphone pics taken by your mates is equally good and can equally be forgotten about 3 months after the big day.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have upheld the agreement; shown my portfolio, discussed budget as promised...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's just like those people who are springing surprise weddings on friends and family and then get upset when their guest aren't dressed accordingly.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have filmed her saying that, gotten it covered that this was done under threat and duress. And then if they wanted the photos, it would be 15x the normal price, and include a public admission of guilt and formal public apology.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

:( why do so many think a photographer's time isn't worth something? There's a reason prices are made the way they were it takes time and it may cost a bundle but the product is better when you pay for quality.

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Amy Mills
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never stop being surprised by the audacity of individuals. Wth is wrong with people? Where does this mentality come from? Are they just dumb?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh yeah, just what puts everyone in the mood to do business... Complete dishonesty and shifty behaviour.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What! You did the right thing by leaving. Can you imagine her saying 'looks like I tricked you...' lol.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Per email that may have been the initial meeting, but also per email, that meeting was just to show portfolio and discuss potential options. Nerves of some people.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Looks like i tricked you". No. Looks like you don't have a photographer for your wedding.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Looks like I tricked you" wow. I hope Karma got her good and the groom cheated with one of the other marines overseas LOL

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or, take the pics and hold them hostage so you get paid for wasted time and mileage.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would have taken some beautiful shots and then sent them to her with my name--or company's name--emblazoned on the pictures, rendering them unprintable and/or unable to forward somehow. That way, sneaky bride would know what she missed by choosing the cheap way out.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Next time make clear that the first CONSULTATION is free. Not that that wasn't clear, it will make people who think they can manipulate you like this think twice before trying to pull a gotcha fast one on you.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WHAT THE GOD DAMN HELL?!? How is this real? I refuse to believe it's a true story. This person is insane

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll take "things that never happened" for $100 please, Alex.

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We also asked Ryan about his experience with compensation and value recognition in his work and what steps he has taken to address it. The artist replied, "Everyone who makes art has to fight to make a living at it. The place I learned the most was when I ran a custom comic company. People would order comics about their boyfriends as superheroes, or 'how we met' comics for their weddings, comics about their company to hand out at trade shows, that kind of thing. I started off charging next to nothing, and that price ended up shrinking due to repeated demands for redos. Eventually, I upped the price just because I couldn't keep up and I wanted to slow the orders down."

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The creator of the page went on to explain how he gradually increased his prices, and as he did, he found that his orders actually increased as well. He said, "I ended up charging 50 times what I charged in the beginning, and making rules that everything they wanted in the comic needed to be said in advance. If they wanted any changes, they would have to pay again. The professional rate made people trust that they were getting a professional product. And the confident, unapologetic demand to be treated like a professional invited customers who were glad to do it."

Estrada said that he has taken the lessons he learned from running his custom comic company into the rest of his career. While he only works on projects he's passionate about now, he's confident in his worth and has no problem asking for fair compensation.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's right, you shouldn't call 911 for things like that, it should be used for things like complaining about not getting the right pizza delivered or asking the police to send someone over to open a jar of pickles

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When asked for advice he would give to young artists and professionals who are just starting their careers and may be struggling with the issue of being offered exposure instead of fair payment. Ryan's response was: "You are going to spend your whole life making art for little to no money. But make sure it's YOUR art. When you make someone else's art for no money, you only expose yourself as someone who works for free. I can't tell you how many people told me how much exposure I'd get from designing their logo. I'd love to ask them to name ANY designer of ANY logo. Spend your time making the art that only you can make, that you are passionate about, and you will discover untold ways to monetize it."

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Estrada emphasized the need to break down the stigma surrounding compensation and treatment in order to build a culture that values and respects the contributions of professionals across various industries. "We need to get rid of the stigma of talking about compensation and treatment. Not just with our peers, so we know how to compare what we are being offered to common standards... but to the people who want to hire us. Don't be afraid to question, or ask for what you deserve. Even I have to be reminded sometimes. Last year, I started posting AI-generated comics based on @forexposure_txt quotes and hundreds of people rightfully called me out for going against the very mission of the account. They were absolutely right, and I appreciate their kindness in pointing it out to me so I can do better. Extend that same kindness to the rest of the world, so everything can get better," he said to Bored Panda.

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Ryan's experiences collaborating with various publishers and companies, such as Scholastic, Star Trek, and Garfield, have helped him understand the importance of fair compensation and recognition in the creative industry.

"Anyone whose 'exposure' has ever been worth it for me was already successful enough that paying me was not even a question," he shared with Bored Panda. "It took many years and a lot of hard lessons to know how to stand up for myself, so I hope others can use the ten years of quotes on @forexposure_txt to learn the red flags, know they're not alone, and have the confidence to stand up for what they deserve."

He also urged others to extend the lesson to help and support authors in their own communities. "Like for example, if you enjoyed the ten years of unpaid work I put into @forexposure_txt, buy one of my books! I have a new one called 'Occulted' coming out in May!" he added.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"It's a privilege to work for my benefit" followed by "check your ego at the door", brilliant

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"HR might want a word with you soon." That word's going to be, "We fired the other person for harassment and threats. We apologize. Please don't sue us."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And I expect Hugh Jackman to call and declare his undying love for me, but looks like we're both out of luck.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That man is really gaining points in his running for the 'Biggest Scum on Earth' award.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Saying 'no offence' immediately means that you will say something offensive

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tbf you can also seduce them but you need to bring something to the table to be interesting in the first place

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Careful. He's a violent felon. Weird how they don't introduce him like that. "Live on stage, Violent Felon Chris Brown!! Don't look at him funny he'll slap the s**t outta ya!"

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