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“For Exposure”: 40 Screenshots Of Choosing Beggars Caught In Action When It Came To Paying For Services They Asked For
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The concept of providing exposure instead of just recompense for work is a problem that affects many businesses, and "For Exposure" on Twitter exposes this behavior. The page collects direct statements from people and organizations who have made offers to work for exposure rather than payment to professionals in a variety of areas, including artists and photographers. These statements reveal a disregard for the time and effort required to produce high-quality work.
"For Exposure" seeks to raise awareness about the significance of appreciating professionals' efforts and compensating them fairly for their services by sharing these messages. The page has spurred significant discussions about the importance of labor and the necessity of valuing people who devote their time and effort to their art. It serves as a reminder that experts need to be paid adequately for their work and that publicity alone is insufficient.
The article also includes an exclusive interview with Ryan Estrada who is an established comic artist, author, and the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, so make sure to keep on reading.
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Hotdogking 2 years ago
As a fellow asexual, that last reply has always been a very useful Ace up the sleeve. (Showing myself out now 😁)
Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
Unfailing polite to the end. I would have been using expletives early on
Mimi777 2 years ago
I paint and draw as a hobby, sometimes I sell my art if someone’s interested I also like to gift my close friends a painting for their birthday. I’ve been asked a few times by strangers to make them something for free because I gave my close friend one free so therefore they should get one for free!
Luna Crow 2 years ago
Yeah, while reading their increasingly condescending demands, I couldn't help but wonder that it sounds awfully similar to the language used by a pushy date pressuring for sex. I feel really bad for anyone who's ever gone out with them..
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Jodie daubenmire 2 years ago
These exposure fools are a joke! Like normal people care how many followers you have.. I have a life..I don't need followers..
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Mabelbabel 2 years ago
The problem is, they will have had enough writers agreeing to do an article for free to make it worth their while to keep asking. If they ask 10 writers, and one or two agree to no fee, why would they change their policy? It's the same with "influencers" They've obviously had some businesses or individuals agree to provide something free of charge so they just keep on sending out begging messages because it works.
Crazy Dog Lady 2 years ago
Don’t blame thecworker for a corporations greed.
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1 2 years ago (edited)
HuffPo is not a multi-billion dollar company. Their parent BuzzFeed only had revenue of about US$400 million in 2017. I get exaggerating but if you're working as a journalist, shouldn't you try to get your facts right?
Ben 2 years ago (edited)
Exactly what I thought. As a financial controller I can tell instantly when someone is over embellishing.
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Rocky Mom 2 years ago
To be fair, I think they may had been trying to fit it into the 140 character limit. A guess, anyways.. because of the poor grammar.
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Id row 2 years ago
Don't know how to compensate? Think, man, think, think, think! homer-mone...c61cb1.jpg 
Celtic Pirate Queen 2 years ago
MY husband gets asked for "TFP's" (trade for portfolio) ALL THE TIME. No, babe. He's paid thousands for his equipment and spent years perfecting his skills. He's done photos for multiple make-up artists, models, & a few shoots for US Vogue. You ain't getting sh*t for free.
Bored Panda reached out to Ryan Estrada, the creator of the "For Exposure" Twitter page, to learn more about his inspiration behind the page and his thoughts on compensation and recognition in the creative industry.
Ryan shared that the whole thing started as a joke. "I'd been seeing a lot of 'txt' accounts, so when I got a really dumb message about working for no pay, I thought to myself 'I bet I could fill up a txt account of these for exposure messages for a whole week!' I spent an hour procrastinating by tinkering with it, and before I knew it, I'd scheduled a year's worth of posts."
The "For Exposure" Twitter account gained massive popularity over the years, reaching millions of people and changing the conversation around terrible offers. Estrada shared that "everyone from aspiring teen artists to Eisner, Emmy, and Grammy winners followed the account. I was really happy to see how much it changed the conversation. How people would reply to terrible offers with 'this sounds like something out of @forexposure_txt' and the places where offers like that were made got better." Despite its success, Ryan recently decided to end the account after ten years when Elon Musk, whom he had quoted on the account multiple times, bought Twitter, and it no longer felt as fun to work for free to keep the account running.
#4
Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
I love how they want three of the "most expensive items". Only the best for them!
We Were On A Break! 2 years ago
You're giving people anxiety with your 5% Charge your phone!!!
Jodie daubenmire 2 years ago
I have 4 followers..my adult kids! And I get free stuff for my Birthday..woo hoo...
Janet Howe 2 years ago
Liar, liar, liar. This is just so funny. I wonder how it would work with 70 year old "influencer wanabees?" "Hi, I'm Susan. I'm a 70 year old senior influencer with 150,000 followers. Ummm... uh, 75,000 followers.... ummm, ok, 5! I have 5 followers! BUT that number will surely go up if we collaborate. If you'll send me 3 of your most expensive handbags and 4 boxes of your specially designed Depends Designer Underwear for Women. As I film my video each week, I'll make sure I place them directly behind me for the greatest impact. As you know, product placement is everything. I'm sure we both have much to gain, and your sales should increase by 70%, as my followers increase to 10-15 maybe. It's a win-win proposition for both of us. Let me know as soon as you've decided on this profitable opportunity".
StrangeOne 2 years ago
Yeah.... Does she not understand that kids are not the ones buying things, especially expensive jewelry?
#5
Christian Fuller 2 years ago
"I ordered the filet from your restaurant, but then I found a hot dog cart outside who only charged a dollar. I got woefully sick from it. Why didn't you stop me?!?!"
Ron Baza 2 years ago
“Why didn’t you stop me, you now owe me a free meal,” surely?
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Michael Largey 2 years ago
The real person who's going end up regretting their mistake will, of course, be the groom.
Juliana Blewett 2 years ago
Lol. You cancelled and went with the EXTREEM BUDJIT PAKKAGE! Too bad, so sad
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
Rightful response: Your wedding, you made up your mind on the "cheaper" option so read this loud and clear: I... OWE... YOU... NOTHING!!! Smh...
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Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
Looks like the bride will just have to make do with grainy snaps taken by the guests on their phones as the memento of her big day
Miles Mawyer 2 years ago
So the best idea that came out of my wedding (it wasn't the marriage :D) was that we bought 3 fairly nice, kid friendly digital cameras, and gave them to her 3 boys. (Ages 10,7,3). Their job was to go around and take pictures of everybody. They felt very included, had a lot of fun, and we got a ton of great pictures.
Vera Diblikova 2 years ago
Very nice, good idea, but I will have a professional too.
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Cool_Alien 2 years ago
Right? And her plans b and c were pretty bad, too.
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Id row 2 years ago
"Attention everyone: The bride called me here and just told me she's scamming me so I won't be staying. They won't have a photographer now, so please feel free to take pictures of their special day since that's all they'll have. Thanks and have fun!" ::quickly leaves::
Vera Diblikova 2 years ago
You can stay, made pfotos and sold them to guests.
Load More Replies... Thatkamloopsguy 2 years ago
I can't believe someone would even consider something like this. The world is going to sh it.
Christopher Jones 2 years ago
Sounds good. Three weeks later... wheres my photos? Oh we can meet to get you those. Its a $3500 meeting.
We also asked Ryan about his experience with compensation and value recognition in his work and what steps he has taken to address it. The artist replied, "Everyone who makes art has to fight to make a living at it. The place I learned the most was when I ran a custom comic company. People would order comics about their boyfriends as superheroes, or 'how we met' comics for their weddings, comics about their company to hand out at trade shows, that kind of thing. I started off charging next to nothing, and that price ended up shrinking due to repeated demands for redos. Eventually, I upped the price just because I couldn't keep up and I wanted to slow the orders down."
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Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
I hardly see a school Christmas party in the same league as, say, a Milan fashion show
Id row 2 years ago
No, it's easy, see, what you do is, you come here, work for free and then YOU pay US. We get your time, effort *and* money. WinWinWin! Get it now? We cool? When can you get here? Hello?
Julian Slate 2 years ago
Hmmm interesting but what if - and I know this sounds crazy - you pay the artist for their work. It's a revolutionary new business model called "commissions".
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Spittnimage 2 years ago
Who cares about a bunch of teachers drinking punch and eating Doritos anyway?
foryouwhynot IB 2 years ago
In other words, either they didn’t raise enough to afford the photographer or ‘someone’ in the class pocketed the cash and was hoping to not get busted…
Daisy Duck 2 years ago (edited)
I think I know what this person actually meant - on larger events there are sometimes photographers who take photos of the attendees, their partners and family etc. and then print and sell them the photos directly at the event. These photos are really expensive (maybe 10-20€ per photo?), and I believe that these photographers pay for the right to be there and basically print money. This has nothing to do with creative work and exposure though. Someone is just really bad at explaining things.
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Michael Largey 2 years ago
80k is what he owes the lawyer - and hasn't paid that either.
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Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
Many companies use milestone payment : 20% for those assets, 20% for this functionality, etc... So you don't have to waste more time if you see the client is not paying when a milestone is checked.
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Karen Grace 2 years ago
Yeah, but "It takes money to make money" doesn't give him what he wants...free labor.
Load More Replies... Jon Steensen 2 years ago
Should have replied with: "Please do contact him. Perhaps he can teach you about how agreements works, since you won't take my words for it when I say that you cannot recieve the service first and THEN negociate the price after delivery. You'll likely end up spending more than $650 in consulting fees, and you will achieve absolutely nothing, but wasting time and money, while your expensive lawer, if he is any good, will laugh at you for several hundred dollars/hour. Having a therapist help you with how to deal with your delutions would probably be cheaper and more productive, though they are expensive too."
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
Can afford an "$80k" lawyer but not a $650 fee for service...? Yup, seems legit...
Charlotte Richards 2 years ago
HAH! Sure, go call a lawyer when you're the one who violated the contract!
Lindsay Stueve 2 years ago
As a lawyer, I would like to know what an $80k lawyer is. I am unfamiliar with this slang.
John G 2 years ago
Apparently takes on clients who don't pay. He would be rolling in cash if they did.
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Shane Attersley 2 years ago
This comment is so confusing. I’m a lawyer and can say if you paid 80k for a lawyer to file a frivolous lawsuit, you were ripped off. And if your lawyer makes 80k per year, that’s not a brag, that’s very modest for some types of lawyers.
#9
Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
So can't you use your "name pull" to pull some money and pay for the job ? They are all admitting their "name", "reputation" and "network" is useless in terms of money but expect you to believe they will be usefull for you ? wtf
Id row 2 years ago
Oooooh, I'd respond with a, "Sounds great! What's your name?" Then I'd post the entire thing on Nextdoor, make some popcorn, and then sit back and watch the fireworks.
Michael Largey 2 years ago
A mason works with stone, but the real chiseler here is the "client".
Seabeast 2 years ago
If your name has that much pull, how did you end up with such a crappy front step to begin with?
Sisyphus 2 years ago
I guarantee this is a real estate agent gone house flipper. When I still did renovations I'd get a couple of these types of "offers" a year. We actually had a agents pay in full at signing policy because the weasels also don't like paying the price they agreed to.
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Jeremy Crocker 2 years ago
If their name has a lot of clout why didn't anyone volunteer to do the work before it came to this? 🤔😂
The creator of the page went on to explain how he gradually increased his prices, and as he did, he found that his orders actually increased as well. He said, "I ended up charging 50 times what I charged in the beginning, and making rules that everything they wanted in the comic needed to be said in advance. If they wanted any changes, they would have to pay again. The professional rate made people trust that they were getting a professional product. And the confident, unapologetic demand to be treated like a professional invited customers who were glad to do it."
Estrada said that he has taken the lessons he learned from running his custom comic company into the rest of his career. While he only works on projects he's passionate about now, he's confident in his worth and has no problem asking for fair compensation.
#10
BoredDisneyPrincess 2 years ago
"Why is child labor and slavery illegal and wrong, when I could be making money by it?"
Zedrapazia 2 years ago
Does he really think anyone would even apply to his s****y business for free..?
Load More Replies... SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
I'd report wankface up there for child labour/slavery if I had the chance. See how they like getting slapped with a criminal record. Smh!!!
Jon Steensen 2 years ago
You cannot hire people for free. If you don't pay them, then it is volunteering not being hired. What else are they going to do with that time? Perhaps take a job that actually results in them being payed.
Dave Harris 2 years ago
So basically he wants to have slaves AND be paid by the government for having those slaves?!
JoJo Anisko 2 years ago
I don't know which would indicate censure of this post, upvote or downvote. So I'm abstaining but condemning OP's attitude.
Niels Boehm 2 years ago
The posts at the top of the article are supposed to be the most outrageous ones and they get there by having more upvotes. So upvote it is.
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Mickysixxx 2 years ago
Just the kind of joker I don't send my students to when they have to do work placement
Michael Largey 2 years ago
Gee, he wants them to work for free and for the government to give him money! Ah, the Puritan work ethic.
Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
They used the exact same points to defend child labor, nothing reallly change under capitalism.
#11
Steve Robert 2 years ago
So your priest father had an illicit affair and you were born out of wedlock?
LK 2 years ago
Roman Catholic priests are forbidden from being married. This is not true for Episcopalian priests. There's something tootling around in my memory about Orthodox priests not being able to marry after their ordination, but they can marry whilst they are deacons.
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Dave Harris 2 years ago
If your father is is a priest he is lousy at it if you think people will be going to hell just because they didn't give you free stuff!
HelluvaHedgehogAlien 2 years ago
I think I’m starting to hate the ‘I have 100k followers of Tiktok’ people
The Other Other White Meat 2 years ago
Hey, welcome to the club! I'm The Other Other White Meat, and I've been here for few years 😍
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The Other Other White Meat 2 years ago
Yeah well my daddy is Satan, and I'm already here. Suck on that. 😈
#12
Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
He's right, you shouldn't call 911 for things like that, it should be used for things like complaining about not getting the right pizza delivered or asking the police to send someone over to open a jar of pickles
Terri Martin 2 years ago
Reminds me of the idiot that called 911 to say someone stole thousands of dollars worth of his cocaine 🤦🥴
Aya Pandy 2 years ago
We had one locally call because he was given oregano instead of the 20g he ordered.
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When asked for advice he would give to young artists and professionals who are just starting their careers and may be struggling with the issue of being offered exposure instead of fair payment. Ryan's response was: "You are going to spend your whole life making art for little to no money. But make sure it's YOUR art. When you make someone else's art for no money, you only expose yourself as someone who works for free. I can't tell you how many people told me how much exposure I'd get from designing their logo. I'd love to ask them to name ANY designer of ANY logo. Spend your time making the art that only you can make, that you are passionate about, and you will discover untold ways to monetize it."
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Blarrg 2 years ago
And useless. But I do appreciate that they have some insight.
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Pixie 2 years ago
Answer: "That is very inconsiderate of you. Bloodstains are hard to get out of most surfaces"
Red Lotus 2 years ago
Bwahaha, take 🙌🏻 my🙌🏻 upvote 🙌🏻. (And yeah, bloods stains are REALLY hard to get rid of)
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Allison Bancroft 2 years ago
I know that their r a lot of people who enjoy this style of speaking in a partner/sugarbaby because it is... wait for it.... childish. its a sort if role-playing, and majority if the tine the other person is a pedo 😐.
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HelluvaHedgehogAlien 2 years ago
WTF did I just read? I think my toes just curled up from annoyance
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
My guess is only on abusive sociopaths
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Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
It looks like it escalated quickly, but it was actually violently manipulative from the start
digitalin 2 years ago
Why do people do this fake "pity me, I hate myself and am also a baby" stuff? I see it posted a lot but can think of ZERO situations where it would be appealing?
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
This is my first time seeing it. Please tell me where you see it a lot so I can continue to not go there
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Weasel Wise 2 years ago
Things cost $5 again, like back in the good ol' days?! What?! Where?!
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Curran Evans 2 years ago (edited)
As a musician, THIS!!! Can't upvote enough!! I was happy when we got free drinks when we played, much less a take of the door.
Andy Frobig 2 years ago
When I was paying $5 for all ages shows, i knew it was cheap...in 1985!
Manning Sutherland 2 years ago
I'd love to know where this is! I'd pay$5 to see a bunch of new bands play!!!
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Alecto76 2 years ago
I happily paid for a great photographer. I'm terrified of cameras and always look like a baboons bottom. I'm only getting married once (whether this works or not). I told my photographer to take control, pose us and tell us what to do. The pictures turned out perfect - even with me in them! A good photographer is worth the money. At least for me.
Christian Fuller 2 years ago
Welp, good luck with that, since you're already seeding the earth for a divorce before you're even married.
JD Dillon 2 years ago
More like, if I donate my kidney, but change my mind a year later, I want it back - and in the same condition it was when I donated it. 😂
Load More Replies... Michael Largey 2 years ago
And how about a refund if you both go blind? You won't need the wedding photos then, either. Or what if you both dropped dead? In fact, consider that my counter-offer.
Kate Jones 2 years ago
While we're at it, I want a guarantee from everywhere I buy clothes from that if I am ever not able to fit in them again, like 10 years from now, I can get my money back. Sounds totally reasonable and not at all like I need massive amounts of psychological help and probably shouldn't even have access to a computer.
Ansi 2 years ago
I wonder if she has a time limit in mind. Money back how long? If they divorce in a week, a year, a decade and so on... I need that information so I know how hard I should laugh. 😉😉
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
And what about inflation if the marriage lasts a couple of decades?
Load More Replies... General Anaesthesia 2 years ago (edited)
For triple the price the photographer will send you one set of original wedding photographs, one set in which groom and family are cloned out of all photographs, and one set in which bride and family are cloned out. Deal?
Estrada emphasized the need to break down the stigma surrounding compensation and treatment in order to build a culture that values and respects the contributions of professionals across various industries. "We need to get rid of the stigma of talking about compensation and treatment. Not just with our peers, so we know how to compare what we are being offered to common standards... but to the people who want to hire us. Don't be afraid to question, or ask for what you deserve. Even I have to be reminded sometimes. Last year, I started posting AI-generated comics based on @forexposure_txt quotes and hundreds of people rightfully called me out for going against the very mission of the account. They were absolutely right, and I appreciate their kindness in pointing it out to me so I can do better. Extend that same kindness to the rest of the world, so everything can get better," he said to Bored Panda.
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foryouwhynot IB 2 years ago
I know a guy who raises ducks for a living, he got a quack out of this!
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Do-nut touch da donut 2 years ago
Muahaha we found a hole in their defenses hehe😈
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Flying Bacon 2 years ago
Oh no. please don't do that. I beg you. Bahahaha the comebacks on these are pretty dang good!
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
Sadly that is because they have plenty of practice. They might even have a document of phrases they use all the time saved to copy/paste like I do at work
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Rebelliousslug 2 years ago
I wouldn’t have been able to resist pointing out that they completely missed the sarcasm intended when I begged them not to. I hate it when people are too stupid to even pick up my insults, when they are truly deserved as this is, of course.
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
This is why I've been saying for decades now we need a sarcasm font. For those too stupid to figure it out from context
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Sinister Murder 2 years ago
If your brand is big enough to be honourable to work for, you can pay an honourable wage.
troufaki13 2 years ago
So we have money, crypto and honor as a means of payment? Next time I'll go shopping I'll tell the store they're honored I'm wearing their clothes 😂😂😂
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
And honored you will eat their food, that'll work!
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Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
I mean, if i can find a landlord accepting honor as a payment why not ?
#18
Ariom Dahl 2 years ago
What is it with these 'influencers' who think the world is going to do/buy whatever they suggest??
Helderder 2 years ago
Well it's ridiculous how much people do ask influencers to market stuff for them just to get their product sold. But the other way around just feels entitled and desperate to me.
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Icecream Sarang 2 years ago
And this is why Influencers need to die. The “profession” not the the people.
Julian Slate 2 years ago
I'm glad you clarified you meant the profession, otherwise I'd be worried you were making a hitlist /joke
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HelluvaHedgehogAlien 2 years ago
I think I’m really sorting to HATE these influencers who thinks followers= money + extra respect
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
OP's rightful response: *While laughing uncontrollably* Yeah, no thanks. I am not about to pay money and effort for overpriced and likely worthless "exposure". Thanks again, but NO thanks. Smh...
foryouwhynot IB 2 years ago
So…business owner pays for all the food, delivers for all your friends and then PAYS to be on a social media app on top of that??? People gone straight insane!
Ryan's experiences collaborating with various publishers and companies, such as Scholastic, Star Trek, and Garfield, have helped him understand the importance of fair compensation and recognition in the creative industry.
"Anyone whose 'exposure' has ever been worth it for me was already successful enough that paying me was not even a question," he shared with Bored Panda. "It took many years and a lot of hard lessons to know how to stand up for myself, so I hope others can use the ten years of quotes on @forexposure_txt to learn the red flags, know they're not alone, and have the confidence to stand up for what they deserve."
He also urged others to extend the lesson to help and support authors in their own communities. "Like for example, if you enjoyed the ten years of unpaid work I put into @forexposure_txt, buy one of my books! I have a new one called 'Occulted' coming out in May!" he added.
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Kate Jones 2 years ago
There are not enough spelling mistakes for it to be Eric.
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Little L 2 years ago
Talk about not understanding what that phrase is used for
Load More Replies... Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
So the threat is that his dad will ask the leader of the yakuza to get one of his henchman to fly from Japan to the US to rub out a guy who won't teach his kid graphics. I'd take that risk
PandaGoPanda 2 years ago
Which yakuza? There are several yakuza groups, you know. Oh wait .. you don't actually know because you're making it up.
Id row 2 years ago
Yeah, well I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Let those two battle it out!
fair_weather_rose 2 years ago
That's nothing, I befriended the lake monster that lives in the lake by my house!
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A_Cat_To_The_Past 2 years ago
Ever wondered what happened to that kid who said their dad owned Roblox? Well now you know.
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
Your dad knows the leader of the Yakuza, huh? Well, I know the number of the local PD and huh, guess what, I just called them to say hello. Would you like to say hello as well? Smh...
We Were On A Break! 2 years ago
I keep scrolling these through these posts and they're getting more nuts and ridiculous
#20
Taibhse Sealgair 2 years ago
Why did the mental image of MC Hammer in those puffy pants dancing across the stage suddenly enter my head when i read BUG TIME?
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Christian Fuller 2 years ago
"I'm not going to pay. Also, you lost my business." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Jon Steensen 2 years ago (edited)
"you just lost my business." What business? If you did not plan to pay, then it is not a business, but a favor.
Curran Evans 2 years ago
"Using words like rates and estimate"...holy hell. Is this real life?!
Pineapple 2 years ago
Ngl I’ve never heard someone say rates irl other than in commercials but I have heard estimates hundreds of times
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Miles Mawyer 2 years ago
"I'm not paying for a website that's going to be free to visit" DO THESE PEOPLE EVEN _THINK_? "I'm not paying rent for a store that's going to be free to visit" How are people this dumb?? 🤬
Ariom Dahl 2 years ago
'...all the fame from my million dollar idea.' Delusions of grandeur, anyone?
Kelley Gilbert Zumwalt 2 years ago
I wonder if her million dollar idea includes bugs
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Jodie daubenmire 2 years ago
Anyone who refers to another adult as Lovely, needs a sound beating.
Marissa Patterson-Lloyd 2 years ago
Wow that's snag tights. Ive bought their stuff before. Not anymore
jdtimid123 2 years ago
I mean, it would take just as long to add in the business name as it would to say they didn't know....
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Christina T 2 years ago
As a seamstress I felt this. I don't do work for free for anyone except my family. Even then they provide the fabric (except my kids, lol). I have volunteered My services to My son's drama department and My church for their plays. That is my choice. I hate hearing, "but you custom made costumes for these plays for free". Yes, I did but again, MY choice. Also at the time we were struggling to make ends meet and the drama department allowed my son to join and not pay the fees. I was so grateful that I donated my time. My time and experience is valuable and I seem to hear a lot of "but anyone can sew." Okay then, YOU do it.
Susan Reid Smith 2 years ago (edited)
I'm over "anyone can sew." Have at it. Please don't forget get the tools you need. Not the sewing machine, the pins, tape measure, scissors and seam ripper. Get an extra seam ripper, I speak from many years of experience.
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Jon Steensen 2 years ago
Making a completely custom made dress takes days on end, probably at least a week's work would be going into that. That is time that could not be spend on something else that would actually make you earn money so you can pay the bills. Time is a commodity like anything else, except for the fact that you will only ever been given a limited amount of it, so spend it wisely. Expecting a wedding gift worth a week's work is a lot to ask for, and I think the bride underestimate the value of such a dress, since she does not accept a no, when it is given with an explaination. Instead she goes straight to shaming her "friend" in a (hopefully) futile attempt at getting her wishes to become true, by manipulation of her friends feeling into guilt. Asking is ok, but not accepting a no when you have been given the reasons, is just plain rude.
Kate Jones 2 years ago
I always love how people think you should 'gift' them something because they are somehow entitled to it because they decided to get married. Or have a baby. Or anything. I would write back, "Oh man, I feel you. You have no idea how much stress I'm under paying bills and my rent is due and I work another job, and I have friends trying to get me to do things for them for free after I already discounted it and then I get called names on top of that. Life is pretty stressful. So maybe we're both too stressed out right now to handle it and you should go with one of those high end bridal shops. Luck and love."
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
No, you are being reasonable and your friends are pricks that need to shut their traps and actually do something about it if they want to throw stones. Smh...
Sarah Bickel 2 years ago
NTA- who pays for a wedding dress as a gift!?! The bride and her friends are delusional
NinaCruz21361 2 years ago
I would be honored to pay only 600 plus materials for a custom wedding dress. That's incredible. Pay people to work.
Jenny Lipka 2 years ago
NTA. Real friends offer to pay you for your services. Getting mad you won't do something for free is ridiculous.
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Marcellus II 2 years ago
This is written as a bitter joke, though. Read it over. I'd put (someone else's) money on it being written by an artist that has been stung like that.
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Nicola Koh 2 years ago
I like to steal candy from children to teach them the world is a cruel place. then i send an invoice to their parents for my time
Christian Fuller 2 years ago
Well, good news, buddy! Now you can get an AI to steal art for you!
Julian Slate 2 years ago
People are using ai bots to steal art? That's real s****y (unless this is just a misunderstanding of how text to image algorithms learn?)
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Jon Steensen 2 years ago
No, you teach them an important lesson about scamming, and why they should watermark their sketches until they have recieved payment. It is really a sad thing that people like you exist and that artist therefore have to waste time on adding watermarks to prevent you from stealing their work, instead of relying on people being honest and actually following through on what they have promised.
Mary Crawford 2 years ago
Social media is a really fascinating way to get an inside look at what is going through the head of a psychopath.
#24
Annik Perrot 2 years ago
DeviantArt was a nice place once. I had a very talented friend who used to post her art there.
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Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
"It's a privilege to work for my benefit" followed by "check your ego at the door", brilliant
Upstaged75 2 years ago
No kidding. I AM an actual conference organizer and we DO pay for the speaker's travel expenses. This person is a moron.
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Sunny Foxglove 2 years ago
As a public speaker, this is ridiculous. I don't show up and talk about whatever happens to pop into my head. I have to spend time planning, writing, and creating a presentation. Speaking is only a portion of the job. My time is valuable and compensation, travel expenses, and hotel accomodations is expected in this industry. I have spoken for free too, but I make that choice depending on location and the organization I'm working with.
P.A. Yearsley 2 years ago
I have a hard time believing any guest speaker would be down for this. My answer would be great, find yourself someone cheaper. I can see your not in a place to afford my time.
Danielle Becker 2 years ago
As academics, we also write for academic journals and don't get compensated. This is how the industry works, as unfortunate as it is.
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David Green 2 years ago
Free access to the conference is the usual benefit I get, and maybe some advertising in the conference literature, and that is easily enough. But, if anyone wants to pick up my airfare and hotel bill...
Lopez, Laura 2 years ago
It's simple etiquette if you INVITE someone anywhere, you pay room and board. This is a GUEST speaking job, ergo you pay hospitality fees
Qia Munther 2 years ago
The worst. Expect someone to pay for travel and hotel to give a talk at your conference
#26
Shine Chisholm 2 years ago
Google is even very clear that images may be subject to copyright
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The replies of the company stealing the art are like the person is trying to use language that makes them seem intelligent and professional but in actual fact it just makes them sound dumb and stupid and unprofessional but did give me a good laugh. I hope the original artist was able to claim compensation and fine the art thieving company!
Nikki Sevven 2 years ago
"I literally stole from you, but you threatened me with legal action, so you owe me an apology." WTF is wrong with these people?!
Brent Echols 2 years ago
Right?!? That last response from the "business" Holy cow
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Holly Stevens 2 years ago
I know this talk, they're not English speaking, usually just Chinese company that takes whatever has most views on art pages and prints it on everything
Mim“the Swede”Sorensson 2 years ago
Yes. Yes, they do. As these people will most likely soon find out, the hard and unpleasant way.
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Binky Melnik 2 years ago
People who know absolutely NOTHING about copyright but have built businesses around violating it make my blood boil. I try not to fault them (they learned *somewhere* that art on the net is free for the taking!), but I can’t help it. Ignorance isn’t a valid excuse. When a copyright owner points out he owns something, they need to IMMEDIATELY stop whatever they’re doing with his art (which is so often selling it) and APOLOGIZE. As soon as they’re done with that, then they should become copyright experts!
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Mim“the Swede”Sorensson 2 years ago (edited)
If that’s the case, the “medium” sucks and should not exist. Hop to and fix that.
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You Should Do Nothing with the Fence 2 years ago
Meanwhile..."I'm on a 1,400 daily calorieS diet." Whaaat?
#29
Seabeast 2 years ago
Doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your". Sure, I bet your Instagram is on fire. 🙄
#30
Christian Fuller 2 years ago
"HR might want a word with you soon." That word's going to be, "We fired the other person for harassment and threats. We apologize. Please don't sue us."
Kate Jones 2 years ago
Exactly. I would print this out and bring it myself to HR.
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LittleMissPanda 2 years ago
"It's okay, I'll save you some time and report this conversation to HR myself"
Upstaged75 2 years ago
WTF is wrong with this person? I will never understand grown adults who behave this way.
Kathleen R. 2 years ago
I would have replied one more time with "No problem, I'll have this text thread to show HR. Including your threat.'
Alexandra Davis 2 years ago
It was censored on twitter so guess the OP did it to remain anonymous
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#31
Eastendbird 2 years ago
And I expect Hugh Jackman to call and declare his undying love for me, but looks like we're both out of luck.
fu yu 2 years ago
Expecting that reply ASAP anytime now..(Dale Cooper): What year is it??
Load More Replies... SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
OP's rightful response: Hi, here's my response: Seeing as you think money won't be necessary in this case, it won't be necessary for me to take your commission as well. Please keep your picture because I will have no use for it. Good day and BYYYYYYYEEEEEE... Smh...
Fickle_Pickle 2 years ago
And here I am, wishing Keanu Reeves will leave his wife for me but I guess we’re both out of luck 🙄
#32
You Should Do Nothing with the Fence 2 years ago
How difficult is it to give credit?! Cite your sources, grade school 101.
Kate Jones 2 years ago
I guess I don't even understand why someone would bother to ask if they're just going to respond this way.
Karen Philpott 2 years ago
If one person is using pictures for research or to be published it is illegal to use them if you don't credit the 'author' of the pictures. You must give credit where credit is due.
Peter Deveau 2 years ago
It's lame, I guess, despite how easy it is to do.
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Penny Hernandez 2 years ago
That man is really gaining points in his running for the 'Biggest Scum on Earth' award.
foryouwhynot IB 2 years ago
Just wait until he buys the presidency in a few more terms…
Load More Replies... Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago (edited)
"So what do you have to say for your defense?" "Your honor, it's kinda lame to sue for money" "Yeah, you are right. You are free of charges."
RagDollLali 2 years ago
Unfortunately, with this scumbag and all his influence that's exactly how it could end up going
Load More Replies... Kate Jones 2 years ago
Maybe someone at Tesla can release his private design specs or any projects they may be working on a free platform so the world can get it for free. And he should be grateful for the exposure toward his company for the privilege.
Shark Lady 2 years ago
Let's just throw them off a cliff, we'd end up with indigestion if we attempted to eat them.
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On the bright side, when we start eating the rich he's probably gonna be delicious cuz I'm sure he eats well and, since he's never lifted a finger and has no skills, he'll be easy to capture!
Little Wonder 2 years ago
What a t**********t. i did my own censoring there, saved BP some time.
Michael Vickery 2 years ago
Richest man in the world folks, arguing about what's probably a few grand at most.
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Praecordia 2 years ago
That’s a new low. Shame shame knows your name. How utterly disgusting. I hope nobody buys from them and they get put on blast.
Julian Slate 2 years ago (edited)
F**k companies like this, getting away with copyright infringement against dead people just to line their pockets
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Sad Quokka 2 years ago
Saying 'no offence' immediately means that you will say something offensive
Kate Jones 2 years ago
It's like when people say, "I'm not a racist but..."
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Mim“the Swede”Sorensson 2 years ago (edited)
It baffles me that people like this think their “no offence” is in any way relevant. That YOU don’t want any consequences for being a fυcking cυnt doesn’t stop people from reacting negatively to your blatant insults. That’ll still happen. Best to learn that right away, so you don’t do it to someone who takes direct action and plants a shiv in your lung.
Peter Deveau 2 years ago
"No offence" isn't even a real phrase. "No offense", however, is a real phrase.
Michael Gerard 2 years ago
So those of us in the UK and other English-speaking countries outside of the US have been saying it wrong all this time?! I never realised
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Michael Gerard 2 years ago
Offence* (unless you're in USA or somewhere else that says spells it "offense")
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Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
Tbf you can also seduce them but you need to bring something to the table to be interesting in the first place
RagDollLali 2 years ago
*seductively nudges over a plate of cheese and a red bull*
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Donkey boi 2 years ago
I'll draw anyone for free! But remember, you're paying for the skill/talent/knowledge of the worker.
HelluvaHedgehogAlien 2 years ago
God I hate these annoying ‘anger’ emojis after that infuriating sentence
Lucas Jackson 2 years ago
It’s crazy sometimes I think there can’t really be people like that out there but then u see them on u feed…. Is crazy. I think pandemic made it worse too cos everyone could do stuff from home so People think stuff has less value
Reenzy Bennington 2 years ago
"Draw me like one of your French girls" does not work anymore, unless you sleep with the artist.
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Kristin T-K 2 years ago
I'd be suspicious of anyone who declares in the first message that they're willing to pay. At least, that's my takeaway from this...
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Christian Fuller 2 years ago
This guy's not looking for an EA, he's looking for a mommy with benefits.
Eastendbird 2 years ago
Yeah, this is call "Having a slave" and I'm pretty sure it's illegal nevermind unethical.
Per-Ole Sjuve 2 years ago
I want to know how this dude ended up? My money is on "Still sitting in mum's basement smoking grass and being all eccentric". XD
Trey Macarthur 2 years ago
"Which means you as well"= I will smoke all your stash and complain about the quality/quantity/method of consumption
#39
Kevin Sutton 2 years ago
Careful. He's a violent felon. Weird how they don't introduce him like that. "Live on stage, Violent Felon Chris Brown!! Don't look at him funny he'll slap the s**t outta ya!"
Kate Jones 2 years ago
I hope he pursued a lawsuit for money. Even in small claims he'd win. And I'd also report him to twitter. And just because he was such a jerk about it, I'd start going through his other social media and doing reverse image searches and reporting him there, too, if I found he was using other people's art.
Phil Parker 2 years ago
How does someone in the MUSIC business not understand the concept of owning something and copyrights lol
Julian Slate 2 years ago
I'm glad this isn't a rapper I listen to. I can't handle another Kanye moment.
#40
FeartheHero 2 years ago
😂 For Exposure re-posting their own tweet... An April Fool's Day joke 🤣 I love this one
#41
Interesting_Astronaut 2 years ago
I dont pay taxes either! (I still live with my parents, im 14.)
Kathleen R. 2 years ago
I like this artist. Yep just agree with everything they say. You hold your breath. It'll be done soon.
Bubbles and sparks 2 years ago
OMG... That whole conversation reminded me of my exes son, he could be the exact copy of that piece of shite that demands everything and will give nothing 😳 except high blood pressure.
#42
diana king 2 years ago
OMG I hope to HELL this person got what they deserve. What a scumbag POS
Daffydillz~ 2 years ago
This is an older story and the sitter spoke with the husband of the woman and sent him the text messages and he paid her. His wife actually lied to him about the sitter's arrangement with her but as soon as he got the screenshots he knew the truth.
Load More Replies... Flying Bacon 2 years ago
This is an older story, and i'm pretty sure they took her to small claims court!
Kate Jones 2 years ago
Seriously just sue them. You'll get your money plus upfront court costs. As soon as they get the summons, even the threat sometimes... they'll most likely reach out and offer to settle. Just b like, "okay, I'll see you in small claims court. You should expect the summons. See you then."
#43
#44
Mabelbabel 2 years ago
If you click on the link beneath the picture (where it says forexposure_txt), it takes you to the full tweet. The BP pictures are missing some of the exchange.
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Kate Jones 2 years ago
Okay I'm going to call BS on this one just because I don't believe anyone can say the word bro that many times and not be satirizing something.
#45
Little Wonder 2 years ago
This is true actually, because as we all know video games arrive fully formed thanks to the Video Game Fairies who have them coded by the Elves.
RagDollLali 2 years ago
No more slave labor for coding elves! Free the elves!!!
Load More Replies... Zedrapazia 2 years ago
The only games that are okay to pirate are those the developers refuse to transfer on any new medium so they're at risk to become lost media (looking at you, Nintendo!). For everything else, people, pay for your damn games. They don't get developed for free.
Jon Steensen 2 years ago
Sure and why not just give away concert tickets for free. I mean, paper cost next to nothing, and once you got a printer you can make hundreds of them. (Now that i come to think about it, the same is true for dollar bills.). The price of videogame is not set to cover the cost of the medium it is put on, but to pay for its development. Making the graphics needed, and coding it so it works takes many hours, and in most cases the people doing it have to pay their bills somehow, so they need to be payed somehow if they are to spend the majority of a day on creating a game. Yes there are indie programmers that does it in their sparetime for fun, but it is the minority of people who can/will do so while having a fulltime job too, and the quality of indie games are usually lower.
3 Owls In A Coat 2 years ago (edited)
Yeah I’d like to see these CBs put hundreds of hours and massive amounts of effort into something and then give copies of it away for free because “it’s just a file.” See how they like it.
Load More Replies... Penny Hernandez 2 years ago
How long did it take to come up with this justification for piracy?
SheamusFanFrom1987 2 years ago
Some morons should never be given free games, demos or otherwise. Smh...
Samuel Pelatan 2 years ago
As always, you can use piracy to play AAA or indie games. AAA studio and publisher won't bother much and make a lot of money with side product like funko pops. Indie games studio on the other hand will suffer way more from it. So yeah talking about ethics while avoiding the consequences of ones action is kinda ironic.
•Faded Wolf• 2 years ago
As far as pirating video games goes, a good rule of thumb is to pirate from large developers, but not from indie studios. It can be difficult to figure out if it is indie or not, but I would recommend doing research. Some companies that seem small may be much larger than you think, and some apparently large companies may actually be a small project with 10-20 people behind it. Remember to pirate ethically <3
#46
#47
freakingbee 2 years ago
but designing things STILL take time and the designer needs to be paid🙄
3 Owls In A Coat 2 years ago
Yep! Designing can take a hilarious amount of time. I’ve promised designs in 3 hours and then gotten a massive case of creative block so it took 7. Technical issues like my computer deciding that Illustrator is too fat today, issues finding proper assets, clients expecting you to write ad copy for them so you gotta figure that out, which often means research, etc. It’s real work and it takes real time to do!
Load More Replies... Kathleen R. 2 years ago
If the designs don't take that much time then YOU DO IT! Oh, you mean designing takes skill? Skill that you don't have? Amazing how that works. I DO HAVE the skills for it, which is why I get PAID for it.
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#49
that weird wallflower 2 years ago
"And you are the badest of people." Lol they forgot spelled it wrong-
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and_a_touch_of_the_’tism 2 years ago
It’s TWELVE BUCKS. If you can’t get 12 friggin dollars, don’t waste their time. Ffs.
Sheena Leversedge Wood 2 years ago
that's hardly anything for commissioned art! what's their problem!
#51
Flying Bacon 2 years ago
Bro that was an incredible offer! For free too! And then they wanted to get paid to what? Model? They could have gotten a few pretty photos FOR FREE from an artist and they turned it down!!
Bubbles and sparks 2 years ago
So many wannabees in that world think they're already stars and models and want so much for free...
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Dirk Daring 2 years ago
I'm missing something here... He's supposed to narrate eight thousand words in 15 minutes? Is he the Micro Machines guy?
Kathleen R. 2 years ago
Dirk Daring, you're not wrong. The average person speaks 150 words a minute. That 2,250 words in 15 minutes. That's not even close to 8,000.
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Peter Deveau 2 years ago
The guy's definition of "payment" sounds more like a "trade", which is not the same thing.
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Daffydillz~ 2 years ago
The woman in the black dress that calls herself the 'Curator' has been stealing art from many different artists and using parts of it like a chopshop and making NFT's to sell for herself and calling it cultural production. The person with the pink old man's profile, that she addresses as 'Jaakko' is complaining to her because they refused to make their artwork into NFT'S and she has stolen their art anyway and used it to make NFT's. She responded to Jaakko's complaints by bragging that she didn't get permission from any of the other many artists that she had stolen from as well. Near the end of the convo two other people comment that stealing other people's work is not art and selling the rebranded work of other people is a new level of degeneracy. To which she 'the theif' responds with she wishes that the internet wouldn't take everything so out of context. She wished everyone hadn't realized what a theif she is.
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Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
Cadbury is the second largest confectionery brand in the world, according to wikipedia. They should be able to find a few bucks in the petty cash tin to pay people for their time and effort
#55
that weird wallflower 2 years ago (edited)
I love how their profile pic is Pacifica from Gravity Falls! (edit for typo)
#56
Phoenix the Frog 2 years ago
They do know many many cultures have art not just white people right.
#57
Tucker Cahooter 2 years ago
"My opinion is the only one that matters". The mantra of narcissists worldwide
#58
that weird wallflower 2 years ago
Not delusional, but doesn't understand that these stereotypes are wrong and misleading. People think that artists are better at their work when depressed and starving, but that's far from true
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Michael Largey 2 years ago (edited)
Ironically, he's the one who's going to be told to take a slow boat to China.
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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago
Guessing people have forgotten most nations have abolished slavery, for good reasons. If your business can't function without slavery, then your business model sucks and is unsustainable.... or you suck at the business. If people do the work, they get pay. Period. Rant over.
Doodles1983 2 years ago
Newsflash. Slavery is still very much up and running.
Load More Replies... Mark Fuller 2 years ago
Could get that far. You clearly have more stamina. Is this world we now live in?? God help us.
Load More Replies... Mike Crow 2 years ago
When I was in film school I made a short thriller and my very little budget went to props, insurance, and food for everyone. I had no money left to pay crew or cast but I still had professional actors, and crew who volunteered for the love of the art (and they knew I would not be making any money off it). It was a lot of fun.
jeniel stephens 2 years ago
yes but u said urself that the professional actors VOLUNTEERED their time and selves. totally not the same situation. 🙃
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Rachel Reynolds 2 years ago (edited)
I'm a mechanic. I charge a $50 an hour plus parts. I'm also an artist. Guess how much I charge for commissions. As much as I love to draw, time spent on someone else's art is time not spent fixing engines. (Or working on my own stuff) I know what my time is worth.
Kathleen R. 2 years ago
Cuz they're broke. They don't have any money but they still want stuff. They figure it doesn't hurt to ask. Which it technically wouldn't hurt to ask, if they weren't such pricks about it when they're told no.
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Jerusalem Cat Syndrome 2 years ago
I don't get it: if you can't do it yourself, you have to pay for someone else to do it. What's the question?
Leo Domitrix 2 years ago
Guessing people have forgotten most nations have abolished slavery, for good reasons. If your business can't function without slavery, then your business model sucks and is unsustainable.... or you suck at the business. If people do the work, they get pay. Period. Rant over.
Doodles1983 2 years ago
Newsflash. Slavery is still very much up and running.
Load More Replies... Mark Fuller 2 years ago
Could get that far. You clearly have more stamina. Is this world we now live in?? God help us.
Load More Replies... Mike Crow 2 years ago
When I was in film school I made a short thriller and my very little budget went to props, insurance, and food for everyone. I had no money left to pay crew or cast but I still had professional actors, and crew who volunteered for the love of the art (and they knew I would not be making any money off it). It was a lot of fun.
jeniel stephens 2 years ago
yes but u said urself that the professional actors VOLUNTEERED their time and selves. totally not the same situation. 🙃
Load More Replies... Rachel Reynolds 2 years ago (edited)
I'm a mechanic. I charge a $50 an hour plus parts. I'm also an artist. Guess how much I charge for commissions. As much as I love to draw, time spent on someone else's art is time not spent fixing engines. (Or working on my own stuff) I know what my time is worth.
Kathleen R. 2 years ago
Cuz they're broke. They don't have any money but they still want stuff. They figure it doesn't hurt to ask. Which it technically wouldn't hurt to ask, if they weren't such pricks about it when they're told no.
Load More Replies... Jerusalem Cat Syndrome 2 years ago
I don't get it: if you can't do it yourself, you have to pay for someone else to do it. What's the question?
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