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35 Times People Actually Read The Terms And Conditions And Found Something So Unexpected, They Just Had To Share It Online
Let’s be honest, Pandas, how many of us genuinely read all of the terms and conditions, cover to cover? Whether you’re buying a product or service, no matter if it’s physical or digital, more often than not, you have to wade through pages of confusing, lengthy technical jargon that is formatted into huge walls of text. Most of us just skip over all of that, either recycling what we consider to be a waste of paper or clicking [Accept]. Not many of us have the spare time to put on our corporate lawyer hats every single time we purchase something.
There’s one problem, though. You can never be certain if there isn’t something important hidden within those dizzying lines and twisting phrases. Some details are bizarre, unfair, absurd, and even hilarious. And that’s exactly the topic that internet users from around the world tackled in a viral r/AskReddit thread.
These people actually take their time and get to know the T&Cs and details of every contract and petition, intimately. Scroll down to take a peek at the weirdest things they’ve found. Have you come across any similar strange things when you got down to the nitty-gritty deets? Share your experiences in the comments.
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#1
I considered auditioning for the first season of Canada's Got Talent. I got the contract for auditions and read the fine print.
"You will pay your own room, board and travel. You agree to being on camera 24/7. We can listen to your private phone calls. We can enter your room at any time to check on you and record it."
I noped out of that audition fast.
Marleinah Smith 3 years ago
Check out "40 Rules You Didn't Know 'America's Got Talent' Contestants Have to Follow"
Rosie Cat 3 years ago (edited)
Many people who have talent will never be discovered because of these rules. I get that this is the way things are done, for whatever reasons, but it leaves out people. It leaves out people who can't take their rent money or borrow from a friend or family to go. These shows make millions, they can afford to put someone up for a little while. There are so many talented people, intelligent people that can cure the world's ills and we will never know them, because they are poor.
RafCo (he/him) 3 years ago
The pay your own way thing is common. Jeopardy does the same thing.
Raven Luna 3 years ago
My daughter auditioned for that several yrs ago but she didn't make it. They did ask her back the next year though.
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#2
I was a witness on Judge Judy probably about a decade ago. In the waiver that you have to sign it said you would get paid $5 in cash upon request in the small print. I asked the woman who took the form from me she chuckled and pulled out a crisp $5 and handed it to me.
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
Sounds like it's set up to find the people who actually read the fine print and you were the first to ask
Phobrek Taz 3 years ago
I'm guessing there was language that prevented repeat requests. Me to production crew all day: "Can I have $5 please?""
Dude dude The second 3 years ago
I wonder…… you could probably just keep asking for five bucks as long as there wasn’t a limit on how many times you could do it. That would be funny as heck, I could make a couple million if you gave me a day or two
Marie Claire Lafreniere 3 years ago
If you’re a witness here they will pay you your lost wages and parking and lunch.
Staysafewarmdry 3 years ago (edited)
Jury duty pay in the U.S. ranges, by state, from $4.00 to $50.00 per day. The average rate is $20.20 a day.
#3
I was asked to sign a petition for something that I generally was in agreement with, until I read the last part of it, that read something like, "the chairman of the committee reserves the right to change the wording of this petition".
So it was like, "sign here, and we'll figure out what you signed later".
Phobrek Taz 3 years ago
Damn, I might actually start reading fine print, after just a few of these
Bananananananana 3 years ago
Reminds me of that scene in heathers where everyone accidentally signs that they’re good with blowing up the school, when they all thought they were singing something different
Richard Houle 2 years ago
"reserves the right to change the wording of this petition". But in Justice jurisprudence, they can't change the nature of the petition. That's illegal.
nuberiffic 3 years ago
I would hope that this would be to fix typos, or make wording more clear. I hope.
There are two things that life has taught many of us to take seriously. First of all, don’t sign any important papers without knowing exactly what you’re in for. There’s a difference between accepting the terms and conditions of a video game you bought or signing up for a weekly newspaper delivery and buying a car or a house or taking out a loan.
The more money is on the line, the more we have to be willing to take our time and patiently get to know every tiny little nuance.
#4
You never own the Tesla you pay for.
Tesla, (and to various extents, other anti-right-to-repair companies like Mercedes, Apple, John Deere, etc.) hold that their products are intellectual property and cannot be owned by customers, instead claiming that they are effectively leased to buyers."
"Tesla has on on multiple occasions (illegally) disabled features of cars being sold used because of this.
Reinaldo Fuentes 3 years ago (edited)
And this is the guy the fanboys want to follow to Mars? Hahahahaha! Imagine that you're moving from one buried tube in the ground to another one and find out that your right to circulating air in the new digs doesn't transfer to the new owner - you.
Id row 3 years ago
I had such a different view of him around 2015. Then he slowly became a giant pos.
Jp@nda 3 years ago (edited)
Yeah I'm sad to admit i used to admire some of his ideas but that was a long long time ago. Probably before social media was prevalent.
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Öz Deniz Boro 3 years ago
I am a English-Turkish translator in such matters. I just do not read but solve, understand and translate these terms and conditions into another language. In many such agreements there are uproarious statements required to be signed by the purchasers. But the summary is usually "We won't, we won't, we won't; You will, you will, you will"
Vicki Cunningham 3 years ago
Tesla....like a designer purse made with the exact same materials as the purses at WalMart.
RafCo (he/him) 3 years ago
I had this issue with Apple in the past. They disabled a feature on my wife's MacBook, because they didn't think anybody should use it anymore.
Jason Llewellyn 3 years ago
Elon Musk is not who people hold him up to be. He doesn't actually create anything himself. It's all done by engineers. He's a modern day Enron waiting to crash and burn.
#5
I’m an auto mechanic, I regularly purchase tools from tool trucks. Sometimes there’s little giveaways if you spend x amount you get this scratch off ticket that could win you something blah blah.
One time I was reading the fine print at the bottom, usual legalese stuff then the last line cracked me up - said something like “residents of Canada will be required to complete a series of mathematical questions in order to claim their prize”
What the hell did Canada do to require being punished to win a prize?
Frank Ropen 3 years ago (edited)
Lotteries winnings based on pure luck are illegal in Canada. "But Canadian sweepstakes law requires that sponsors remove the third component, winners are chosen by luck, for a giveaway to be legal. A giveaway cannot use pure luck to determine who wins. There must be at least some element of skill involved, according to the Canadian Competition Act."
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
Oh I’m Canadian and had no idea! Is that why there’s always a small math question on the back of scratch & win tickets?
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JLN 3 years ago
As a Canadian who used to enter (and win) quite a few contests a lot of times the 'skill testing question' is ridiculously easy. Once it was literally 'what is 1 + 1?' As far as I know it doesn't apply to lottery winnings though, although I've never won a large lottery prize ($150 was my biggest lotto win) never answered a question for those
roz 3 years ago
Nope, not lottery--those are controlled by the government, so they are exempt. But other types of winnings not government-controlled need "skill".
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Holly Stevens 3 years ago
All Canadian lottery etc require a skill testing question because of the Canadian competition act
BenMaharaj 3 years ago
Tool trucks? Like food trucks but they sell tools? Is that a Canadian thing?
wowbagger 3 years ago
They're in the U.S., too. Snap-On and Matco are two big ones.
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Richard Willis 2 years ago
Similar rules in the Uk. Competitions that are won by luck alone come under The Lotteries Act, and are subject to all sorts of legislative rules. There is a regular comp. on TV here in which one has to find the name of a TV show in a wordsearch grid. For a bonus win one has to also find the name of a flower. Both names are always in the same places in the grid!
Heather Talma 3 years ago
What is a tool truck? Like an ice cream truck with wrenches instead of popsicles?
Liz Orreo trex ago go 3 years ago
I worked at a store where to enter the draw you had to do this math problem so your entry was valid. We told everyone the answer.
becca wolfe 3 years ago
It's nothing difficult. I won free sneakers for me and my toddler once and it was a two-step easy question. That being said, I did double check the answer with my husband because I was so scared of getting it wrong and losing the free shoes
Asphalt Bubblegum 3 years ago
I struggle with even basic math formulas but my budgeting and value prediction and retention skills are next-level. I thrive financially because as history has consistently proven to this day, having good math skills doesn't make you competent at financing.
#6
The terms and conditions for the rewards card at the grocery store i worked had "if you've actually taken the time to read this, please email (email) with this code and the pin for your card for $500 in rewards points "
And it actually did, then I started getting a new card every other month or so. Then they changed who the rewards program was with.
Sean Sean 3 years ago (edited)
I've read things like this. I think there was a $25,000 prize for whoever read the ts&cs for some product or something. Idk. It was a significant amount of money.
Zaach 1 year ago
The company did not expect the prize would take years to be won - she read it within the first 6 weeks
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PunkRock*Bottom* 3 years ago
I feel like this was written by lonely terms and conditions that just wanted to be read
The second lesson is to always leave a paper trail, whether at work or dealing with company representatives or clients. Human memory is fallible. And different individuals can interpret some things in completely different ways. So if you have documentation of some sort to fall back on, it can save you a ton of headaches down the line.
Disagreements and mishaps sometimes occur. You don’t want to be the only one left without any legal leverage.
#7
We were interested in purchasing a house, and sent the Contract of Sale to our conveyancer as a final 'rubber stamp' before signing. They quickly got back to us, pointing out a clause buried in the Contract. It said that we agree to forfeiting our cooling off period and all 'subject to building/pest/structural inspection' rights, and that we agreed we must proceed with the purchase no matter what. Even if the house was rotted with termites, or the vendor had blatantly hid some structural fault, they could legally 'force' us to proceed with the purchase. The conveyancer said that the vendor's legal firm had a reputation of putting these hidden nasties in their Contracts, so she knew to scrutinise every word as soon as she saw their name on it. Needless to say, we didn't proceed with the purchase.
Yeah, okay. 3 years ago
Holy f*ck, that's a firm that deserved to be named and shamed. I'm not one for doing that type of thing, but that's blatantly unethical.
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
It has its uses. Such as if you're selling an estate, or a dilapidated mansion, or if there are plans to raze and rebuild, you might not want the buyer to have a month to watch the way the home values move and then back out of a deal. But I could easily imagine a corrupt seller trying to just sneak something like this by a buyer.
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Hotdogking 3 years ago (edited)
Your conveyancer is the best! I need someone like that when (if) I buy my first house
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
Yes! And make sure you get a top-notch inspector who YOU pay for! Not the bank, not the seller. You want him responsible to YOU and YOU ALONE.
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Evi Grimes 3 years ago
Never heard the term conveyancer before, in the house buying process. I don't think it's us.
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Janet Howe 3 years ago
Wow. That was just a lowdown dirty dog deal. Wonder how many people would have gotten sucked into that? You can list a house "as is" AKA "save the land and bulldoze the house."
Bubbles and sparks 3 years ago (edited)
In the Netherlands, we used to own a very old house, build somewhere in the early 1900... When we sold it a few years ago, it actually stated that the people who bought it could not claim certain things due to the houses age and it was to be expected to maybe find some things that needed to be fixed. Then again, we didn't ask the jackpot to sell the house so the buyers agreed. They fixed up the house with a few thousand euro's and then sold it with around 40.000 euros profit, which I think is a great way to do if you like to buy low and sell higher priced. We were just happy to be leaving it all ;)
#8
Peacock tv has a recipe for chocolate cake in section 9
tHeBoRdEsTpAnDa 3 years ago (edited)
Wait what? I'm googling this. EDIT: I read through section 9, yes this is correct
Something 3 years ago
1/3 cup of butter 1 cup of sugar 1 egg 2 squares unsweetened baking chocolate 1 cup boiling water 1 tsp vanilla 1 tsp baking power 1 1/3 cup flour ¼ tsp salt 1 tsp baking soda - Preheat your oven to 325 degrees - Grease and flour cake pan - Cream butter, add sugar and egg, and mix thoroughly - Pour boiling water over cut up chocolate. Once melted, drain excess water into a cup to be added later alternately with flour. - Add melted chocolate and vanilla to the butter, sugar, and egg mixture. Then, mix together dry ingredients. Fold in wet ingredients and left-over chocolate water into the dry mixture. - Batter will seem thin, but do not add flour. - Pour into greased and floured pan. - Bake 30 – 40 minutes (They've since changed it to Kevin's Chili.)
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
Not cool. This is deliberately discouraging people from reading terms and conditions by filibustering them.
Illicit 3 years ago
Actually, I think this would promote more people into reading them for easter eggs.
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Indigo Ranger 3 years ago
I just looked it up and for me there was a recipe for Kevin Malone’s chili from The Office
Indigo Ranger 3 years ago
I just read it and there was a recipe for Kevin malone’s chili from the office
#9
I read the terms and conditions before joining a gym. It said the only reason you could cancel your membership is if you moved out of the area or got injured and had a note from a doctor. Otherwise you had to give 30 days notice and pay 3 additional months worth of fees. I did not join.
General Anaesthesia 3 years ago (edited)
If you sign a membership for a year to be paid with monthly installments, penalty clauses for early cancellation are normal. Just like phone subscriptions etc. Maybe not nice, but normal.
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M. Brown 3 years ago
Long story short, I was basically told to sod off by a regional manager of a gym when trying to fix their problem. I told him I would just cancel and he said I couldn't and I said I could...and did. My parent's house was more than fifty miles away from any of their gyms and I said that was my new address and send the cancellation confirmation to them. Manager knew I was right after that. I'll never join a gym again, not for these reasons but I just don't like being indoors around people grunting and sweating.
Blayze Infyrno 3 years ago
Gyms are notorious for shady contracts. I had one charge me $300 because they saw someone who wasn't a member in the gym as the same time as me. Turns out the contract let them dump extra charges without explanation or warning any time they wanted.
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
My fiancée had that sort of terms and conditions, but she didn't notice. She got very worried, and I said, "Call them and tell them to take you to court. I bet they will back down" She did, and they did. I already knew the courts would have ruled in my fiancées favour after seeing it happen before with another family member
Snorkeldorf 3 years ago (edited)
My husband had a gym membership when he died and I called to cancel the contract. No refund, but it was auto-renewable. They would not cancel without a certified copy of the death certificate. I showed up in person and said I would not relinquish the certified copy but they could photocopy it and record that it was verified. While there they tried to con me into my own membership which I declined. The clincher was when the guy, who obviously didn't really look at the death cert, said "Yes, I remember your husband. What did he die of, a heart attack?" My husband was only 42 and always athletic. I was so angry at that point and I yelled very loudly in the crowded gym......NO, cancer. Why, do MOST of your members die of a heart attack?" I was able to leave after that with no further sales pitch.
Caliban Taylor 3 years ago
In my experience it was never the gym it was the asinine payment processor. Three times I’ve had to threaten to get a lawyer involved. The last time was the worst, I had to actually close my bank account.
James Tartaglione 3 years ago
i like my gym then. no legal mumbo jumbo, 10 buck fee and one month charge
As we’ve covered on Bored Panda before, it can be extremely time and resource-intensive to get to grips with the finer details of contracts, such as the non-disclosure agreements many folks are made to sign at work.
Essentially, NDAs are civil contracts that are meant to protect companies by preventing employees from leaking sensitive information or harming the business in other ways. If you breach the terms you signed, it can mean that your company may seek damages by taking you to court.
#10
Halfway it stopped and said "do you even read these"
#11
Gamestation (an old video game store in the UK) had an immortal soul clause. They own thousands of peoples souls!
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
They merely claimed the option to own the souls. After April Fool's Day, they relinquished the claim.
Randolph Croft 3 years ago
April Fools, 2010, they added it to the T&C for about 7500 online purchases.
Ranger Kanootsen 3 years ago
I am PROUDLY one of those people! My soul belongs to GameStation to this day.
tHeBoRdEsTpAnDa 3 years ago (edited)
I need more context. WHAT??? Also I think my dad used to work in a gamestop, I'll ask him
Akshara Panduga 3 years ago
b-but they are stealing MY BUSINESS IDEA! NO WONDER I DONT HAVE ANYMORE SOULS THANKS A LOT GAMESTATION. but still this is quite evil
Linda T 3 years ago
You'll need to wait for the crop of new souls born during the Covid Pandemic baby boom to come of age of consent. Since all the pre-Covid souls are spoken for...
Load More Replies... Jason Llewellyn 3 years ago
So does the Mormon church. You see, they retroactively baptize the dead into the "cult of Joseph Smith" also do not use Ancestry . Com it's a LDS controlled company.
#12
I read the terms and conditions for either Windows 95 or the Windows 98 upgrade. Somewhere buried deep in the middle was a warning that the operating system should not be used to operate a nuclear power plant. I'm assuming it was a joke because it was an individually licensed product rather than a corporate license, and if they were serious about it, I would think that warning would be at the top!
Also, can you imagine a nuclear power plant running on a 90's version of Windows? It would give a whole new meaning to "the blue screen of death."
suskaa 3 years ago (edited)
Belive it or not, Windows XP is used in nuclear power plants since it is the most stable operation system. And, of course, it’s the computers are never connected to the internet. Also most of ATM machines run on one of the earliest Windows versions
Kyle Donnell 3 years ago (edited)
Same with NORAD, and passanger aircraft. They use MsDos/Win98 because it is stable and most if not all the bugs have been found. In order to upgrade, it takes multiple committees, tons of funding, lots of research and testing, then lots of dry of runs; before even thinking about upgrading to it. All this is the reason the government isn't using newer systems.
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Dre Mosley 3 years ago
A lot of government agencies(at least in the US) stick to a version of an OS for a lot longer than the rest of us. I think the US military gave MS millions to keep supporting XP just for them even though it was no longer gonna be supported for consumers.
Adam Leviness 3 years ago
In the US, many of the computers that would be used to launch nukes still run know computers that use 8" floppy disc's, so Windows XP would actually be one HELL of an upgrade. It's basically encryption by obsolescence. I mean, the rocket that went to the moon used hardware that makes the phone in your pocket look like a high powered computer up against an abacus.
TheElderNom 3 years ago (edited)
We have trains that use windows 98 and XP, different trains of course.
Šimon Špaček 3 years ago
I worked in a factory and there was a huge dryer (like the one used to make powdered milk) and the control program ran on Win 2000. And the computer must never turn off, because it was running on a trial verion of that program...
Randolph Croft 3 years ago
Back then, Windows NT was for Nuclear Power Plants. I used NT on my home gaming machine and it was rock-solid. Harder to set up networks etc, as it was supposed to be, but man, I had a machine that ran for 3 years without a single shutdown or re-start. Those were the days.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago
I worked for TSA from 2012-2017. When I started there, the computers were still running Windows 95. Yep, that’s our government for you. Before I left they upgraded. To Windows XP. Different versions of XP came out anywhere from 2001 to 2005. Please note that I left in 2017.
DC 3 years ago
Well, they use some operating system at least ... ATMs in germany were until recently, or still are, run on XP. Sometimes, if it shuts down and tries to start up again, you find the WinXP screen on some of them ... seen that multiple times in my bank ... funniest about that is, the soundfiles making you think it retrieves the bills from deep down. No, not really...
Ideally, both parties would negotiate mutually fair terms of the contract. In practice, however, many employees don’t have the time for this or the spare cash to hire a lawyer to peruse everything under a microscope.
You can, however, still raise any questions you have about the need for the NDA and the particular terms therein with your superiors. You shouldn’t be scared to speak up if you spot something unclear, ambiguous, or weird while you’re scanning the stack of docs, bigger than your book backlog.
#13
*You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, missiles, or chemical or biological weapons.*
This is from the Terms and Conditions for Apple's iTunes.
Susie Elle 3 years ago
I mean suppose someone did and Apple would be held liable, it kinda makes sense to sometimes just legally cover something, no matter how unlikely.
Dude dude The second 3 years ago
Hmmmmm, that’s a nice achievement list there, I gotta 100 % speed run this.
RafCo (he/him) 3 years ago
This is added to lots of software and compilers. There are restrictions related to companies that do business within the United States.
Ffaelan Condragh 2 years ago
I feel like if someone did that, violating the EULA would be the least of your worries.
Robert McKenzie 3 years ago
How ON EARTH could you use a song from iTunes for production of ANY weapons? Obviously a general exemption to safeguard them from stupid lawsuits. I would be VERY surprised if Google, Microsoft etc did NOT have identical exemptions.
#14
I read the waiver at an indoor paintball place one time. It covered everything you’d think it would cover, but that wasn’t all. Insect bites and stings. Attacks from wild animals “such as bears, etc” (yes, it specified bears), and dangers such as guides incorrectly navigating rapids. All of these things were covered. For paintball. Indoors. The experience did not live up to what the waiver implied.
Debby Keir 3 years ago
Obviously downloaded from the internet. Someone's typed in 'paintball legal waivers' or the like, and as some are outdoors (think the paintball episode of Big Bang) they got got a generic one. This, to me, shows that thier due diligence is not actually very good, so what else isn't good?????
Julia Mckinney 3 years ago
Darn it! But I WANTED to navigate the paintball rapids. What color were they?
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
Then one day he went to paintball and as the teams entered the room a voice over the tannoy yelled " 3...2...1! RELEASE THE BEARS!"
Nicholas McShane 2 years ago
My daughter brought home a form for her class to go to an indoor climbing wall. The form stated that the company was not liable for injury due to any failure of equipment, or fault of the staff. A completely illegal form...sent to a school! I refused to sign. (She went once I had the school guarantee cover)
ohjojo (you/your's) 3 years ago
I never did get used to the rapids during paintball. I kept shooting up into the air
#15
One of my old jobs said that if there was ever a contagion that resulted in people losing their minds and acting like violent, mindless, swarming animals (i.e. zombies or infected) then we would be expected to hide in bunkers, rescue our clients and not kill anyone.
Paulo Freitas 3 years ago
Don't tell me lol, you work at the Pentagon, Yes the Pentagon did a study about a Zombie apokalipse ( and no Im not kidding ), the study was made to check evacuation routes, emergency systems etc, but it was made like if it was a zombie apokalipse lol.
Kyle Donnell 3 years ago (edited)
The US Federal government actually has a whole entire plan in case of a zombie virus or an alien invasion. They did it mainly for critical thinking/emergency thought processes. But they are real.
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SealOfDisapproval 3 years ago
Amazon AWS Service Terms still has this: "...this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization."
Lily Siuta 3 years ago
There’s a whole plan for the IRS to survive a government breakdown and continue collecting taxes after the end, too
Evi Grimes 3 years ago
What workplace is this? So I know which employees I gotta pillage in their bunkers...
#16
On my apartment rent agreement, there was one part that basically said: If you (the renter) dies then your family is responsible for paying the rest of the rent left on your contract.
Tamra 3 years ago
I don't possibly see how this is legally binding, unless said family members have also signed the agreement. This looks like something intended to intimidate people who may not be smart enough to know their rights.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Pretty sure its not enforceable unless the family signs as well. Contract is between the leasor/ lease. Leasee can't sign to make their family liable without consent in writing.
Load More Replies... Lousha 3 years ago
Our UK tenancy agreement was a lot less dark, but definitely funny: it said we cannot have animals OR birds. We lived there for years and every week I found myself wondering what our landlord thought birds were?
Timmy Pillinger 3 years ago
Could be legal boilerplate because English case law is much older than biological classifications we have today.
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The Starsong Princess 3 years ago
Unenforceable. Your estate can be forced to pay out your lease in some jurisdictions.
GirlFriday 3 years ago
That is not legal in the United States. You cannot assign debt to an uninterested party without their consent. PERIOD. If the family were to take on the debt, the family member would need to sign themselves into responsibility.
Mason Kronol 3 years ago
Perfectly legal. The apartment gets the remainder of your rent before your family collects on your estate. Same as if I buy a $60k vehicle today and drop dead next month. I don't expect my mom to pay for the car but she won't inherit anything until my debts are paid. Probate court is a long process. Be aware and plan ahead.
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patricia patricia 3 years ago
That's a totally invalid clause. Unless a member of your family also signs the contract, there's no way to force them to pay for something the didn't sign.
StarlightPanda! 3 years ago
Is that actually legal? There's definitely laws that landlords can't surpass, even if they attempt to put it on a contract.
Lousha 3 years ago
In the UK you do not have to get a spider as a pet. Ridiculously large, furry and horrendous ones are included with pretty much every living space. They are harmless but if you're like me, their sight is enough of a harm... I miss a lot of things from the UK but their spiders aren't among those!
Higgleton 3 years ago
Are you sure you weren't in Australia? I've lived in UK for 35 years and never seen anything bigger than maybe 7-8 cm across. Definitely nothing hairy!
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It was when I was setting up android work profile (The high school I'm attending rn issued us emails that route the emails through their servers) for online school. G-suite and everything.
I couldn't rlly avoid the work profile thing cuz android wanted me to set it up.
Enough with context here.
I downloaded google device policy to set this up and I saw, and I quote.
"Administrators on this domain can have access to any and all data on your phone"
I was like, Hell no! They do random phone searches of the students already why give them full access!?
I then decided to do the online class stuff on my computer and do it web-based instead of giving them full access to my phone.
GirlFriday 3 years ago
My job has this reimbursement program where, if you are at a certain level of employee and are required to have the company's email app on your phone fore work purposes, they will reimburse you $80 per month for your phone usage. The caveat in the acceptance of the reimbursement is that by accepting the $80, you give them the right to search your phone, including social media and personal text messages at any time and anything they find can be used as consideration for continuation employment. In other words, for $80, they can, at any time, search your phone and if you texted something, made a social media post, took a picture, whatever of something they don't agree with, they can fire you. They can also wipe your phone clean and restore it to the factory settings at any time. This is why I don't accept the reimbursement. I value my privacy.
BG 3 years ago
And that's why I have a separate work phone with absolutely nothing on it except the employer's timekeeping/messaging app.
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Kyle Donnell 3 years ago
Your high school does random searches of students privately owned phones?! Oh he** no! That should be super illegal outside of a warrant. Especially considering they are children.
GadgetGirl 3 years ago
I had a smartwatch with the following troubleshooting step: "If the incoming call, text message or app notification is not received, it may be caused by the manslaughter process".
Trophy Husband 3 years ago
I'm a network admin. I don't ever install work apps on my personal devices. If I need a work phone, they will give me a work phone. That's for both of our protections, and I insist that it applies to all employees, not just me.
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
Get a cheap second phone on a cheap low-end contract or payment plan for the services and use it purely for the company/school, so when they do a search they will find absolutely nothing. Be sure to not allow the phone access to anything not on the phone, such as multimedia accounts etc
Frank Lofaro Jr. 3 years ago
One system like that gave them the right to remote erase your while phone
Ruth Hempsey 3 years ago
I didn't understand a lot of that but I still know enough to give another nope.
Jason Llewellyn 3 years ago
Apple does the same thing, only worse. They browse your icloud, iphoneys etc for prohibited materials, like nude pictures, pictures of children, etc.
Scott Rackley 3 years ago
I worked for a place that had a work email app you could download to your private phone. Yes, I know. Anyway, the upshot is that the app could access any data on your device at any time...and delete it. Pass.
Marsx Bars 3 years ago
I had a similar thing pop up when I tried to add my high school Gmail address to my phone. Backed out so fast. My college one was completely normal though in comparison.
#18
EasyBCD is one of the few I read. It says I owe a picture of my sister in the shower if the author asks for it.
That was like 10 years ago. I dunno if the software still exists.
Bob Bobbs 3 years ago
"- Lead developer: Mahmoud H. Al-Qudsi - Active ingredients: blood, sweat and tears. - Powered by C++, C#, Excedrin and Visine." 🤣🤣🤣
Randolph Croft 3 years ago
Yep, still exists. https://www.techspot.com/downloads/3112-easybcd.html
Bina Wei 3 years ago
The fact i have one but she died as a baby.. creepyness intensified
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#19
PPG (paint company) does not allow their paint to be used on terrorist, biohazard or nuclear facilities.
digitalin 3 years ago
Imagine a terrorist following paint store terms and conditions while plotting terrorism.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
reminds me of the TCs when landing at JFK/ATL. You have to sign an immigration form saying you are not part of a terrorist org. Yeah sure, any real terrorist is going to tick that checkbox saying "yeah sure".
Cara G 3 years ago
Or websites that make you solemnly promise that you're 18 or over to access them. Yes, Website, I swear I'm 18.
Load More Replies... Cuppa tea? 3 years ago
Terrorists head honcho: right guys, I think it's time to give our secret hideout cave lick of a paint. Jog off to DIY store and blue some bucket of magnolia. But for the sake, not PPG, but either store brand or Dulux.
Randolph Croft 3 years ago
FYI - it's just to avoid any liability for when things go very, very badly.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)
Sure. I will bet good money that the CEO of a company like Sherwin-Williams would sell ISIS or the Proud Boys any amount of any color of paint they wanted, as long as they paid enough for it. So I call b******t on their terms and conditions.
Linda T 3 years ago
In this case, Sherman Williams will make them sign a nondisclosure statement.
Load More Replies... Robert McKenzie 3 years ago
I have no idea how they could enforce this, but I agree with the sentiment!
Ruth Hempsey 3 years ago
I just painted my cat litter box with your paint. Whatcha gonna do about it? 😸
#20
Not exactly weird but when I was buying my car insurance they asked if I had been in any previous accidents (I was) and if I was at fault (I was not). Said rates would only go up if the accident was my fault. Okay cool. So at the end when I’m looking everything over, I notice in the fine print that it says any accidents are automatically considered the driver’s fault unless proven otherwise...so I send them an email and ask. Basically they said I’d have to purchase the policy, THEN contact them with the proof that I wasn’t at fault for the accident. So I bought the policy, went to my state’s DMV website to get the accident report, and email it to the insurance company- one week later I get “refunded” about 1/5 of the policy cost credited to my account. I wonder how many people they’ve ripped off.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
I wonder how many customers they lost because of this. I know if I was about to sign and the price suddenly went up, I'd nope out of there.
Lora G 3 years ago
What State are you in?? A good insurance agent would have run the report(s) for you and not needed you to send anything to them. I’m a licensed insurance broker in NY and that’s how it’s done here. You get the real price up front.
Load More Replies... Debby Keir 3 years ago
UK has a national database of insurance policies for cars (Obligatory here) and you have to declare previous accidents (unless you were with the same company and they already had the details) The policy price can be based on number of years of 'no claim' and will go up if you have any accident (though you can insure that too) The police here use ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) and pull over any drivers whose cars are showing as 'untaxed' or 'uninsured'.
Auntriarch 3 years ago
It goes up even if the accident wasn't your fault and you didn't make a claim. Ba57ards.
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Daniela Makor 3 years ago
This is so odd. In Canada we have a database where all claims are recorded in the country. I know 100% for fact that if you are at fault/partially at fault, depending on the payout of the claim (<$2,000 minor accidents don't affect premium as long as there are no major convictions that coincide with the claim) your rates are affected. A not at fault claim usually doesn't rate unless you have a high claims frequency i.e. you have 1 NAF accident every year for 10 years - your rates could increase. I work as a licensed agent for a large insurance company. Insurance is there for your legal liability and accident benefits too! At Least in the province I work in.
Evi Grimes 3 years ago
Insurance is a scam, through and through. I love that they make me pay for years of car accidents I have never had.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago (edited)
yep. Insurance companies are pieces of c**p. What I do is fire them every time they escalate my fees. Fortunately, we have a new short-term insurance company appear on the scene every few years so I simply fire the last one and buy the new kid on the block. When they escalate fees, I fire them and move to the next guy, and so on. I've managed to keep my fees more or less the same for 10 years by doing this.
Vicki Cunningham 3 years ago
All insurance companies are scams. Wonder why they ask for your level of education? If you have no degree, your rates are higher than someone with a degree. Progressive and Geico use this way of rating and have been sued over it in Canada.
#21
I read the Terms and Conditions most of the time before I agree to them, and that's quite often since I tend to try out and play a lot of different mobile games. So I've encountered a few odd ones, though I can't remember which iOS games they were for specifically (though some ToS for other things).
* One had a single sentence about making pancakes for someone named Paul in the legal department if so called upon. I'm yet to be called upon to make pancakes.
* One consistently spelled it as "conditioner" as opposed to "conditions" throughout the entire document.
* A form I signed at an indoor rock climbing place (basically acknowledging that I knew it was dangerous and understood the physical risks of the activity) included a clause about how the business was not liable if any of my things were stolen, "including but not limited to bags, phones, wallets and the contents therein, and underwear." I never figured out what happened to make them specifically include underwear.
* Another mobile game (was probably Minions Run, but I'm not sure) warned players that slipping on banana peels can in fact be dangerous and so they did not recommend acting out that part of the game in real life.
* Bumble's ToS mentions that you're not allowed to share pictures of a dog that's not yours. Followed immediately by "(just kidding!)"
* If I was to break any part of my ToS with Microsoft, they would be within their legal right to ban me from using not only my Xbox Live but my Xbox itself while it's offline.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
"* One consistently spelled it as "conditioner" as opposed to "conditions" throughout the entire document." ---this might be that it was translated from a scandinavian language, where "condtioner" means "conditions".
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
"* Bumble's ToS mentions that you're not allowed to share pictures of a dog that's not yours. Followed immediately by "(just kidding!)"" -- I saw this. I understand the rationale. Most people (correction - westerners), think dogs are cute, and will "like" someone who has a dog. So it gives an unfair advantage as to snagging a westerner, if you do not in fact have a dog. *non-westerners such as us in Africa do not love dogs AS MUCH.
Jp@nda 3 years ago
There are plenty of non Western countries where the people and culture are dog friendly.
Load More Replies... Randolph Croft 3 years ago
You just KNOW some human-ape has already tried the banana peel and ended up in court to pay medical bills.
Asphalt Bubblegum 3 years ago
My Sweet Summer Child... That "Not Liable for Stolen Underwear" clause is because it's all-too-common for pervs to go into the ladies change bags and steal their underwear for later later uses at home.
#22
Not my reading but a few years back people read amazon terms and conditions and found it contained a clause addressing the fate of products if a zombie apocalypse were to happen
SealOfDisapproval 3 years ago
Ah, I already replied to another post with this, but here goes: "...this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization." -AWS Service Terms, 42.10.
Bob Bobbs 3 years ago
I case of zombification, employees become officially proprety of the company.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago
Without realizing having Bezos as CEO would be worse than a zombie apocalypse.
#23
So i know a few years back there was a report of a dude who read through the whole thing and actually earned a cash prize for reading it in the fine print.
I dont know the exact details. not even sure if its true or not but maybe someone has evidence.
SelectPerception5 replied:
Yes, this really happened. He got $1,000. The TOS said to send a message to an email address and he did. The company actually paid him. They said it took four months for someone to email them after the TOS was released.
Cat Mom times 10 3 years ago
I saw a news article on tv a few years back about a lady that won $10,000 for reading them all the way thru.
ohjojo (you/your's) 3 years ago
A college professor I had put a note in his books, a physically handwritten note saying that we could ask him for money, I don't remember how much it was. But nobody in the class asked nobody got that far in the book for the entire semester even flipping through pages.
#24
I found out our five year contract for argon gas automatically renews if we don’t cancel 365 days before the end date. A salesman was fired from the company and told me I should read the very fine print. One year in and we sent our cancellation form for 2024
MouseyMouse 3 years ago
No, it's 5 years or 10 if you don't cancel before the 4 year mark.
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censorshipsucks 3 years ago
our telcos do this and I basically escalate them to the ombudsman every time they do something like this. F**k subscriptions.
#25
My daycare’s release form had a clause saying that by signing, I was giving them permission to take my kids to Canada. Canada is a day’s drive away and there is absolutely no reason they would ever need to take my kids there. I crossed it off before signing.
My mortgage documents included a clause that says that, if I ever get sued, they have the right to accelerate the loan and demand payment of the entire remaining balance. It doesn’t matter if the law suit is meritorious. Just getting sued can lead to acceleration.
Monday 3 years ago
Unless the daycare actually agreed to your crossing it off you have given them permission to do it. You can't unilaterally change a contract like that and expect it to be enforced the way you want it to be.
Tony Pott 3 years ago
If it were a contract and OP amended it and the daycare accepted it back it without comment and subsequently provided services, the amended contract is good: they accepted it as modified. However, it's not a contract: it's a release form. Presenting it for signature was the daycare asking for permission to do the things listed, OP said yes, except the Canada thing, so the daycare doesn't have permission to do that.
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Adam Leviness 3 years ago
This one guy applied for a loan or a credit card and when. He got the contract he scanned it and changed the wording in the contract saying that he wouldn't have to be charged interest on payments ever or something like that. Signed the updated contract and sent it back to the bank. The bank signed the edited form and when they figured it out they tried to sue him. They took him to court with the defense " we didn't read the contract to know he changed it" and the judge found in favor of the customer because, not reading the contract is exactly what the bank does to customers all the time and if they didn't do it themselves.thats on them.
Karl Baxter 3 years ago (edited)
Old property title deeds in the UK occasionally contain odd restrictive clauses. The deeds to our first house (built 1880) said that we could not use the premises as a fried fish shop or brothel. In addition, we were prohibited for keeping a gypsy caravan or fairground roundabout in our front garden (about 8’ square!)
Lynne Hammar 3 years ago
I disagree with Monday ... worked in publishing for several years. Scrutinize every contract and initial & date your edits (strikeouts and insertions). If all parties then sign, it's valid.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
I'm guessing either: A) they got that form online without fully reading it and it happened to have originated from a place close to the border. Or B) They're a chain/franchise with other locations close to the border and all locations use the same form.
Katrina M. Alecson 3 years ago
Or C.) They are selling the children to the maple syrup mafia and don't want you to know about it /s
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Tim Douglass 3 years ago
The reason for the right to accelerate the mortgage is because they want to get their claim in ahead of any lawsuit claim. Otherwise you lose the house but still owe the money. You stop paying and they can't collect because the house that was the collateral is no longer yours. It's not a particularly nefarious clause.
GadgetGirl 3 years ago
Crossing off the parts you don't like doesn't actually change the contract you signed. Bye bye kids!
WoodenLion 3 years ago
they asked me if my houses were ever a meth lab when i sold them. 2005 & 2012
#26
“WordWeb free version may be used indefinitely only by people who take at most two commercial flights (not more than one return flight) in any 12 month period. People who fly more than this need to purchase the Pro version if they wish to continue to use it after a 30-day trial period.” Every 12 months they ask you how many flights have you taken. If you answer more than one return flight they will not allow you to use the program for free anymore and you must pay to use it now.
Bobby 3 years ago
I like things like this. Unreal game engine is free to use unless your end project reaches a certain number of units sold off I remember right. The guy who made it said it was because he wanted students of game design to have access to professional level tools without having to fork over licensing rights while learning and establishing their careers
digitalin 3 years ago
I wonder what the logic to this is. Like, if you can afford to fly, you can afford to buy?
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
My guess is this their way of making sure businesses pay for the software instead of giving employees the free version. Someone who flies a lot probably does so for work.
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#27
I had to read all the terms and conditions when I signed up for student loans. It said that my loans would be forgiven if I die. That made me laugh out loud and doesn't seem like a bad idea sometimes.
Raumpfleger 3 years ago (edited)
It's not a bad idea at all! Imagine owning a house where your spouse and children live while you still have to pay most part of that loan. The moment you die without such a clause, the remaining loan becomes part of the inheritance on the minus side. Your family will have to pay it up for keeping their home while struggling with the loss of not only you, but also one income. Things can go down quickly, if such things are not considered in life.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
Most loans have a death-and-disability insurance policy in our country. If you take it, the policy settles the loan, so that your family are not burdened with it.
Mat O'Dowd 3 years ago
We, have it in France as well, any loan is covered by a death-and-disability insurance policy.
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Mandy Delaforce (PC Girl) 3 years ago
In Australia, unless you are named on the load, your family is not responsible for it if you pass.
Teodor Negru 3 years ago
If you have a heart attack (or some other condition) and die and are brought back, it means they have to forgive the rest of the loan, right?
Mary Kelly 3 years ago
mine said they would not be forgiven in the event of death -- meaning they would go after my estate...but those were fafsa and perkins loans....the u.s. government is going to get its money...even from the dead
Wandering Bunny 3 years ago
Washington, USA here. My husband passed away in August and his student loans were forgiven. It was a huge blessing for his family to not have that burden.
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Spybot S&D asks that you send the devs beer money.
Jordi Sharpe 3 years ago
I just checked my work computer, and we have it 🤣
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Matt Smith 3 years ago
So, does it work if I send them pictures of James Storm and Bobby Roode? :)
#29
These are a few paraphrased versions of what I had to sign in order to live on campus at my university:
I give my school permission to charge me legal fees that have nothing to do with me. They also say everyone I know has given up the right to sue the school.
They can kick me out at anytime with little warning, and if I do not leave with in a few days I have to pay a +$100 fee.
They are not responsible for working amenities such as water.
I am aware the school does not own there own dorms, even though the office that handles room and board claims otherwise.
Telepathetic 3 years ago
"....own there own dorms..." A Uni That gets "There" and "Their" wrong ?
Zelda Fitzgerald 3 years ago
I'm assuming this is the US but in some other countries water is free! And it blows their mind that we pay for what they call a human right.
Brian Dean 3 years ago
Watter is free in the US, just walk your a$$ down to a river and have yourself a drink, what you want a company to pay billions to plumb an entire city to have running water on demand in your own home? Now you got to pay
Load More Replies... Trophy Husband 3 years ago
The first one I need more context on. The second is reasonable, the third is a violation of law and just actually be egregious enough to void the whole contract if it's as bad as this makes it sound.
#30
For no reason at all I read them for a PlayStation Network update. About the 7th page in, it stated that I would be “relinquishing my wallet and all funds within”. I didn’t update but just assumed it was fancy legal talk(mind you I was in my late teens) so I didn’t report it. 3 days later I found out that the update was a hack and thousands had their information stole of their PlayStation accounts.
Valden 3 years ago
That wording was actually in one of Sony's earlier terms of service with Playstation Online, so it's not surprising people got scammed. The EULA stated that an account not used would be subject to forfeiture of your wallet's balance. It did not say how long it had to be not in use. Not sure if Sony still says in their EULA that they are not responsible for damaging your system if you accept the update. This was way back when the PSP was released.
Robert McKenzie 3 years ago
Ouch. At least it wasn't a Sony ripoff though. You need to be alert to phishing hacks.
#31
Don’t remember the exact wording, but some League-of-Legends-type game included this whole paragraph about how, *by installing this software, you authorize us to monitor every process on your computer, including but not limited to keystrokes, active programs, some of their memory, browser tabs, open files and potentially their contents, and send that info back, at all times,* even if the game wasn’t running.
Safe to assume I did not click agree, and managed to live life having never played that game.
Paul Neff 3 years ago
It is possible, that those are necessary for anti-cheat software to function. It doesn't mean the software is reporting on you, but that it monitors known system details used by cheating software. Indirectly, usually demanded by players of the game itself, who are sick of cheaters.
Monday 3 years ago
Yes, anti-cheat programs are generally a good thing, but there are a few of them that pretend to just be anti-cheat while actually being spyware.
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Old Roadie 3 years ago
TikTok wanted access to *all files and folders on my phone, if I recall. Did not install the app.
DKN DKN 3 years ago
That clause is in the ToS for a lot of games by companies owned by the PRC. Really love Genshin Impact or Honkai Impact? It has that clause and further elaborates that all data can be routed to the PRC government for any reason. Hope you enjoy China adding your data to its intelligence databases.
#32
You cannot use the Java programming language to control a nuclear reactor.
Auntriarch 3 years ago (edited)
Ooh, someone who knows the difference! Not many of us left
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censorshipsucks 3 years ago
I understand this. Java crashes with null pointer exceptions way too easily.
David Kennedy 3 years ago
Wrong language?? Java doesn't support pointer explicitly, But java uses pointer implicitly: Java use pointers for manipulations of references but these pointers are not available for outside use. Any operations implicitly done by the language are actually NOT visible.May 8, 2017
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#33
I'm taking a cyberlaw and ethics course and this has been a focal point of the class. Terms and conditions leave you basically Powerless and unable to hold companies liable. There were terms and conditions on a site that literally said by accepting the terms, you would give them your first born child. Granted I believe it was a joke or experiment to see how long they could leave it in there unnoticed. PuddingPoops added: I liked when F-Secure set up an open wifi (I want to say in New York, but I'm probably wrong.. some big city), but to join you had to agree to term & conditions. One of them was that F-Secure takes your first born. This was obviously a joke to reinforce the crazy s**t we agree to without looking, but was pretty funny.
martin734 3 years ago
I don't know about the USA, but in the UK consumer and employment rights supersede contract clauses. If any clause in a contract tries to take away or counters any statutory rights or entitlements then that contract clause becomes null and void. A contract cannot take away any rights you are entitled to by law.
Ellen Midgley 3 years ago
Which my employer (a government organisation to boot!) found out recently 🤣 Everyone had different notice periods in their contracts, and when they were terminated they found that half the contracts were technically illegal
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Kimberly Young 3 years ago
I wonder what they would have done if someone had shown up at headquarters with a newborn they weren't so keen on keeping and tried to hand it over to the receptionist...
pbach1 3 years ago
They did say "first born". I'm thinking some parents may want to turn in theirs sometime in the teenage years.
Load More Replies... censorshipsucks 3 years ago
In South Africa our constitution is supreme. Anything that violates it is null and void, no matter where it stipulates its enforcement. It can say usa, we do not care. If you put in TCs that are illegal here, they are void.
#34
Citymapper, Section 3 *Jetpacks and catapults. These are unproven technologies, and we recommend inexperienced travellers use more conventional means.*
TotallyNOTaFox 3 years ago
Who would use a catapult?! It's common knowledge that trebuchets are way more effective when it comes to travel distances
Paulo Freitas 3 years ago
Only if you're a heavy dude like me, if however you're on the smaller side, nothing beats a ballista, a lot Faster and more range.
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Amused panda 3 years ago
So...that recommendation only applies to inexperienced travellers? Jetpacks and catapults are okay for experienced travellers, yes?
Ruth Hempsey 3 years ago (edited)
That's funny. Catapults have been very effective ever since we wore furs. Or were naked. The Romans built giant ones called ballistas that could bring down battlements. Jetpacks however... 😊
#35
I read the warranty for my motherboard once. It said it does not cover damage from bodily fluids including urine and vomit.
Carol Emory 3 years ago
Be warned...it can happen. Took a typing class in middle school. Exam day, one of the students showed up drunk. Proceeded to up chuck all over her typewriter. None of us were allowed to leave the class because of the smell. It was horrendous.
Robert McKenzie 3 years ago
VERY sad that they had to include that; probably from bitter experience!
When diving into the murky waters of terms and conditions, it's essential to remain vigilant. Many people might not realize that hidden within these long documents can be elements of misleading marketing. Similar to how some products might boast about being something they're not without checking the ingredients, overlooking such details can lead to significant misunderstandings.
For more insights on how marketers sometimes try to deceive us with fine print, you might find it worthwhile to explore examples of misleading advertising tactics that often go unnoticed.
#36
Accordingly to Photoshop ToS, you can't use Photoshop as a verb and must say "edited with Photoshop" or similar instead of "Photoshopped". In Spanish it's common to use it as a verb, "photoshoppear".
Ian Webling 3 years ago
They do this so that the word does not become part of the language thus losing the company established value and recognition of the product. It might even result in loss of a trademark (e.g. Escalator). There is even a word for this: Anthimeria.
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
To be clear: Anthimeria is verbing nouns. That is, using a noun as a verb. Brand names that became nouns include aspirin (salicylic acid), escalator (elevating escaliers), granola (granulated cereal, although the original brand name was granula), astroturf ([Houston] Astros [baseball team] turf), Band-Aid (bandage aid), Jacuzzi (whirlpool bath), ...
Load More Replies... N Miller 3 years ago
That doesn't cover people who do not use Adobe products. I can freely ask if someone has Photoshopped something; it would be on them to say that they "edited with Photoshop" instead. Good luck policing language use of people who do not sign up to their terms for a product they do no use.
Thorsten Massow 3 years ago
I once read this is a common part of the ToS, because this makes it easier for the companies to maintain their trademarked name.
Carol Emory 3 years ago
When I worked at Nintendo of America, we had to call the systems Nintendo Entertainment System or Super Nintendo Entertainment System...Not NES or SNES. Reason being is that if NES or SNES became the common phrase for a video game system, Nintendo could lose their rights to the names like Band-Aid did or Aspirin did when they became common names for a bandage or acetaminophen.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
pft they have totally lost this battle. It's now even abbreviated to "shopped".
#37
Buried in the ToS for the PlayStation 3 is a "beer clause" attached for some code they pulled from a guy whose license agreement just asks to send him a 6 pack.
#38
Discord's Terms of Service are worded in such a way that they can literally say whatever they want is a breach of contract on a whim.
#39
This isn't quite the same, but when I was a kid I had a really cool, creepy picture book that was a satire of Aesop's fables called Squids Will Be Squids, with morals like "if someone calls and asks where your mother is, don't tell them she is out getting her moustache bleached" etc etc. Anyway, one day I was reading the small print publication stuff you get in the front of every book and there's a note from the author's in it about why nobody ever reads that page, with the moral that "you should always read the small print." Which of course I now do (for books at least), although tbf there has yet to be a payoff as good as that one.
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
... as opposed to the book featuring Sesame Street's Grover the Monster, "Please Do Not Open this Book," the sequel to "There's a Monster at the End of this Book."
#40
42.10. Acceptable Use; Safety-Critical Systems. Your use of the Lumberyard Materials must comply with the AWS Acceptable Use Policy. The Lumberyard Materials are not intended for use with life-critical or safety-critical systems, such as use in operation of medical equipment, automated transportation systems, autonomous vehicles, aircraft or air traffic control, nuclear facilities, manned spacecraft, or military use in connection with live combat. **However, this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization.** Well played Amazon
TotallyNOTaFox 3 years ago (edited)
Or in short: "In case of a zombie apocalypse do what you want with it, who's gonna enforce this ToS in such case anyways?"
#41
I have dog shampoo that says "this product not tested on animals." But why not? How do you know it works??
Monday 3 years ago
I feel like dog shampoo is a product we definitely should be testing on animals....
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
I *wish* it were legally enforceable to say something like, "No animals were subject to tests where the expected outcome involved pain or suffering." As in: I'm OK with conducting tests on animals that doesn't result in pain or suffering, and I'm largely OK, with some reservations, on making CERTAIN that your pet dog won't get painful, debilitating sores from a product by confirming that test animals did NOT get painful or debilitating sores. ("We tested 500 dogs, and only one had an allergic reaction"). I'm not OK with tests that increase thresholds until the animal DOES get painful, debilitating sores ("We figure this 50-mg does is safe for your dog, because our test dogs didn't die until we exposed them to 3.5 g.)
Debby Keir 3 years ago
This disclaimer still gets me angry. For years, we have had make up and 'beauty products' that are 'not tested on animals'. But in the past, they were, and having once been tested and deemed safe, you can use those ingredients now and say 'well, this batch hasn't been tested on animals' It doesn't actually mean what it says.. grump....
#42
Not me, but when my sister was applying for a warehouse job at Amazon, she spotted a section that stated that Amazon owned all the rights for all intellectual property and products created by the employee for an indefinite amount of time even after leaving the job. In another section, there was something saying that you couldn't say anything bad about the company online or in private, again, for an indefinite amount of time even after leaving the job. Amazon still sucks.
Vicki Cunningham 3 years ago
What products or intellectual property would a warehouse employee be creating?
FakeOptimist 3 years ago
Easier / faster / safer ways to do their jobs. Or things like an attachment to a forklift truck. With the amount of employees and orders they go through those time savings can add up to millions.
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#43
I was searching for a web host for my website and found a discount code buried in the content policy. It was pretty neat, even if they were the kind of place that has at least 3 discounts available at a time.
#44
The Oatmeal asked me to sign over my soul in order to view their content. I clicked decline but it let me in anyway.
#45
The school app for a district I worked in had a ToS that essentially said that I agreed to their accessing anything on my phone or deleting what they choose, as well as using anything they find on my phone as evidence against me if they so choose to.access any other apps, documents, downloads, photos, etc.. Co-workers said I was being paranoid, but the ToS for the same app in a different district had no such notation, so I don't know.
Vicki Cunningham 3 years ago
I work for a school district. I never login to the district wifi. Luckily we don't have an "app" we need to use.
#46
Microsoft use to have a part of their user agreement stating that once windows was loaded on a system, you could never have any other operating system on it ever.
tHeBoRdEsTpAnDa 3 years ago
Similarly, my windows laptop wont let me open chrome, and I have to open google.com on bing search
Atero 3 years ago
Most definitely reason for that is not related to MS TC in any way. If you are on administered system - what you can and can't run defined by local admin. If it's your personal machine look up possible fixes (firewall, antivirus, f..d up installation, etc.).
Load More Replies... censorshipsucks 3 years ago (edited)
They can go to hell. As soon as I find a PC which has windows on it, and the owner agrees that they are tired of paying parasite blood money, it gets linux. In our country, a contract between an OEM (who signed with microsoft), and microsoft, does NOT bind the person buying the laptop, unless that laptop itself comes with TCs that the purchaser signed. It's just not enforceable.
#47
A lot of chrome extensions give the developer access to your drive. This is an issue for many education extensions during remote learning. I successfully stopped my school from using one platform over another due to this issue as well
#48
Not really a TOS, but the old Doom II for DOS had [this screen](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU6yBBZWAAASi5B.png) saying that if you pirated the game, you would go to hell. It would show up after you exit the game. The first Doom also had a [similar screen](https://i.redd.it/tub8in1e8x021.png), lol
Seán Hannan 3 years ago
That was the reason I eventually paid for Doom, after many years of playing it for free.
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
After committing some random vice: "Well, I'd rather be with the sinners in Hell than the prudes and moralists in Heaven." After playing Doom: "You know what? I DON'T want to go to Hell."
#49
The ability to sell, use, and delete my data along with preform a factory reset without my consent and since it was in a contract I could not take legal action against them
#50
I read one quite a while ago that straight up said it was going to install spyware and adware on my computer. I did not install that software!
#51
“Also, if you don’t mind, we’d like to wish you good luck...” I was creeped
Pittsburgh rare 3 years ago
This can be really nice or really threatening depending on what you were signing for
#52
*You agree by signing this contract to have your personal information including but not limited to, photographs, public information, address and email to be shared with third parties that may not be disclosed to you.* This was to allow a company I engaged with to send me regular products for testing and giving feedback on prior to going on the open market.
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
The undisclosed third parties are probably the companies that require the goods to be tested and the contracts ToS are with a middle man company
spiritual ninja 3 years ago
Researcher here there are multiple reasons why this would be needed. none of which are about selling your info. a) if the test company outsources the mailing of test products or the emailing of notifications, then they need your contact info to get it to you. subcontracting these kinds of things are common for research companies. b) if they are keeping the client undisclosed so new products aren't leaked before launch, you won't get to know that your information may be included in the reports to the client and you don't get to know who the client is c) most companies outsource advertising and so personal data and images are often shared in developing the target marketing materials for your age group, or geographical area. they won't be coming back to disclose who they hired for the marketing implementation
#53
In this app called PopJam in the TOS it says that the developers can freely use any art you post on the app. Kinda f****d me up for a while but I saw some user's art on the appstore banners (with the users in question credited) so it probably just means that they can "show it off" without per but still-
#54
Pottermore, a website built around the idea of community with other fans of Harry Potter, forbids the use of the website for any communication with other members of the website. It also forbids the use of multiple languages in your text or art, which is interesting considering Harry Potter itself requires use of multiple languages (like Latin or Parseltongue, for example).
#55
Upon applying for a driver's license for the first time. One of the many "initial here" pages actually is for you relinquishing your right to operate a motor vehicle without a license. Basically if you've never had a license...you have the God given right, protected by U.S. law, to travel by any means you please, without being stopped unless suspected of a crime.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
yeah the purpose of a driver's license is to test you to see if you are a competent driver, so you do not have, in theory, incompetent drivers on the road mowing people down. Try again.
the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
You dismissively write as if you contradict the OP, but if you think that a legitimate state interest nullifies basic rights, you are wrong. And indeed, as I explained below, the state cannot and does not regulate vehicular travel on land it does not own and has not been given rights to regulate. (Governments may have agreements to mutually enforce each others' regulations, so that even though a state trooper probably won't ticket cars on a county road, the county will ticket drivers who violate state regulations on their own roads.)
Load More Replies... the Return of Bruno 3 years ago
Not exactly true. You have the right to use vehicles off-road, including vehicles such as snow mobiles, tractors, mopeds, gocarts and other vehicles which may not be legal for use on streets and highways. The position of the federal government and the various states is that the roads are their property, and they retain the right to regulate the use of that property. The fuzzy part of the law is that under common law, people have the right to travel across land to access other land, so long as that travel does not deprive the owners of their proper use of the land. For instance, you can't trample someone's crops. "No trespassing signs" have no force of law in many states, other than to warn people, such as that they may be shot if they go on hunting grounds, or to protect fragile environs. I suppose a state would argue that the unlicensed use of roadways may adversely affect the licensed use.
#56
When it first came out, Windows 10 EULA had in it "We WILL share your personal information with third parties" Not "In some cases" or "as needed by law", it said "we WILL"
#57
Basically, if you spend any money on Epic Games Store, they can take away the product without giving you a reason or a refund at any moment. Same applies for Steam.
TotallyNOTaFox 3 years ago
I don't know if Epic does that (I never buy on there), but there are games that got removed from Steam but still are playable in my library
Monday 3 years ago
Yeah, if you bought a game prior to its removal from the steam store you keep it in your library....most of the time you can still buy a steam key for that removed game from a 3rd party site and still download it from steam too.
Load More Replies... censorshipsucks 3 years ago
Amazon did this with kindle books about 10 years ago. They got flambeed for doing it.
#58
A lot of times you’re agreeing to mandatory arbitration. That means that if there was a problem with your product, you can’t legally sue that company after agreeing to the Terms and Conditions. Instead, you have to go through arbitration. Most times, the company will choose and pay for the arbitrator. So that company-paid arbitrator will listen to both sides and then make a decision based on what they heard. They oftentimes will rule for the side that signs their paychecks (the company). If they rule for the injured party too often? They may not be used as an arbitrator for that company again. TLDR: you can’t always sue due to the Terms and Conditions
#59
Ts and Cs for a cinema in the UK. After purchasing a ticket and choosing your seat/seats the cinema doesn't guarantee you the seats you have chosen will be available and you are encouraged to find a different seat if the one on your ticket is taken.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
If you're paying extra to choose your seat, then that's a crock of bull stuff.
Bubbles and sparks 3 years ago
Some people on the plane thought the same.. Whenever I fly I pay extra for a seat with extra leg space because my knees are shambled. So, mostly the seats next to me are not occupied. Every single time as soon as it was time the seatbelts could be off, there would be people getting up and sitting next to me. The flight attendent always had do come up and send them back to their seats. Most went back, some argued that the seat was free and their seat was cramped... but they had to move anyway. One flight attendant actually asked me if I objected... uh, yes, I did. I payed to sit here. But the other side of the isle also had only one person seated there, go ask them.... but this was a man so then she said that she was sorry but I had the last say.... making me the person responsible for enforcing their own rules.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
Yeah actually the train system in the UK does that as well, whcih is b******t. I found this out the hard way. Found some c***s in our chairs and the ticket guy wouldn't evict them.
#60
Apple’s terms and conditions have plenty of jokes in them. They even made one about faking the moon landing.
General Ratto 3 years ago
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#61
Once I installed an App, I think it was a game, asked me to edit, add, delete or format everything from my google drive. NOPE.
#62
Ubisoft owns anything and everything you create in any of their games and reserves the right to record any gameplay from any of their games for use as promotional material.
#63
I read parts of Tik Tok’s privacy policy. They can use your IP, Sim Card data, and other stuff “literally that vague”
#64
Technically Steam owns any and all games that you "purchase" from them. What you purchase is basically a copy of one of their games, and they reserve the right to access your library and do whatever.
Monday 3 years ago
Yeah, but that one is rather obvious. You have the game through the client, so if the client ever shuts down you lose the games too. It's the same for Eshops on consoles. Eventually that console will "die" and the shop will be shut down, leaving you unable to download those games again.
Holly Benedict 3 years ago
This is likely the case for most game clients, however for Steam, Gabe Newell explicitly stated that should anything ever happen to Steam, that it can no longer operate, they have plans in place so that all users can retain access to their entire libraries. Which as far as I know Valve is the only company to make that distinction.
Load More Replies... censorshipsucks 3 years ago
Let me rant about Blizzard. The f*****s keep patching and updating the games and now they do not run on our older machines. We basically have to BUY new machines to run their games, because they FORCE you to patch, even if the game was working perfectly. Hate them so much.
Moosy Girl 3 years ago
That’s why we use good old games, while their gaming client is still optional, they still allow full download and offer offline installers of purchased games…
#65
There was a Windows update about 15-20 years ago that had a clause buried in the EULA that you agree not to release any benchmarking figures. What really sticks in my mind though is that I used to submit a lot of stories to Slashdot at the time, and for some reason they wouldn't report that. Weird.
#66
That even if you haven’t read the terms and conditions you still agree to them. This is pretty common for websites where they are buried in the site, but by going to the homepage you’ve automatically agreed to them.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
That's not enforceable, you have to actually perform a deliberate action signifying consent, e.g. checking a checkbox. Then the onus is on them to prove it was YOU who did it, rather than your toddler.
#67
Something about faceapp being able to use my face data unconditionally at anytime or any situation. I dunno I wasn’t paying attention.
#68
I cannot point out the specific in the TOS but I recently looked up if I could transfer my Steam account in the event that I died. Apparently, you cannot. The thousands of dollars and the hundred of thousands hours of time cannot be passed on in the event of my death.
#69
Finally my time has arrived! My friend was trying to get me to start playing this sketchy gacha game, and they actually have the shortest T&C I’ve ever seen, so i took took extra time/brain space reading and comprehending these ones. Boy was I right to be sketched out. They basically stated quite explicitly that they print out and keep their users records in physical filing cabinets—as their primary info storage. This is login information, credit card data, etc. Basically anything connected to and relating to a user account, from what I understood. I could get maybe keeping physical storage of some things in the case of something happening to digital copies, but not sensitive information like credit card info. I’m a free player on everything so it wouldn’t affect me personally that much, but i would still have my user info outside a digital database and that makes me uncomfortable. I would hope it’s illegal, but by agreeing to the ToS I’m pretty sure it makes it legal, bc you are giving your consent to this by proceeding and playing the game, even if you don’t know it. Haven’t found anything funny yet like agreeing to sell my soul, but this is what stuck out to me.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
er personally I trust that more than digital, given how much it is breached these days.
#70
I had to promise not to report the performance of this software on a blog compared to its rivals.
#71
Reddit TOS: > WHILE REDDIT ATTEMPTS TO MAKE YOUR ACCESS TO AND USE OF OUR SERVICES SAFE, WE DO NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT THAT OUR SERVICES OR SERVERS ARE FREE OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS. It's not weird in a way that it shouldn't be there, just unexpected. Also not reddit afaik, but a lot of tos tell they have the right to give certain of your information to companies and Google is ALWAYS there. Oh and if anyone uses one of those Do Not Track signals, companies don't give a f**k about that and say that in other words in their privacy policies
#72
Blizztard Entertainment owns what I ever make...... ofc declined that one.
Eliza 3 years ago
I mean I know they at one point made claim to all mods made for warcraft reforged. Or in other words content made outside the game but reliant on it to work. Essentially the guess is that they were bummed at not having the rights for Dota which started as a warcraft mod and this decided to change it for future titles to make sure they could profit off of user creativity in the future.
Load More Replies... #73
I refused to install both What's app and Pokemon go because, as far as I understood it, they intended to access everything in my phone and do "whatever they liked" with that information.
Thorsten Massow 3 years ago
In our town in Germany (Hamburg), schools and teachers are not allowed to use WhatsApp for communication among each others or with parents because of this.
censorshipsucks 3 years ago
dude the entire african continent uses whatsapp as its primary communications tool, that horse has already bolted. There's nothing we can do about it now.
tHeBoRdEsTpAnDa 3 years ago
I have WhatsApp but my phone is just sudoku art apps, games where the main chaacter is a cat or similar, and the apps that came with my phone
#74
Read the Terms and Conditions on my new Samsung a few years back. When listing what external damages they were not responsible for - natural disasters, dropping, etc - I swear on my life that "acts of God" was one of the listed ones.
What do you think ?
martin734 3 years ago
I don't know about the USA, but in the UK consumer and employment rights supersede contract clauses. If any clause in a contract tries to take away or counters any statutory rights or entitlements then that contract clause becomes null and void. A contract cannot take away any rights you are entitled to by law.
Emma S 3 years ago (edited)
Thank you! I'm a law graduate in the UK and get frustrated that people think they can add whatever clauses they like to a contract and it's legal as long as it's signed. No you can't put a waiver into a contract saying that the other person can't sue you for any reason as this is illegal. Same with premises that will sometimes put up signs saying we accept no responsibility for any injuries caused. Not going to stand up in court should someone be injured as a result of negligence and neither should it. Rant over. 😆
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JP Doyle 3 years ago
My very first auto insurance policy from AAA had a small print clause that stated in event of nuclear war my vehicle was not covered for any damage caused by nuclear fallout or acid rain caused by nuclear fallout. It said I was only fully covered if my vehicle was totally destroyed by a nuclear explosion...
Daria 3 years ago
That I'm OK with a doctor accidentally puncturing my stomach during the gastrofibroscopy, and agree not to sue. It ended well, but I decided against further visits to that clinic.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Yikes! I've lost 3 family to doctor errors, and 1 dear friend. That clause is disturbing.
Load More Replies... A very bored panda 3 years ago
This makes me wonder… what are Boredpanda’s terms and conditions?
Kat Nt 3 years ago
House shopping. My contact with my realtor said she would get my current house if I did not purchase a new home within x days.
Tacet 3 years ago
Do appreciate that they work both ways. A dude got sent a a credit card application or some such read through the t&C's and ammended it to have no interest and no fee and sent it in. He was sent a card then took them to court when they charged him. He won as the judge ruled that they sent him a card therefore they agreed to the revised contract.
Lara Verne 3 years ago (edited)
One hairstylist school had interesting terms and conditions that anyone who wanted to study there has to sign. Basically, teachers could give students haircuts and dye their hair as they see fit. There wasn't any dress/hair code, they did it so students could represent school. Problem was, these haircuts were sometimes pretty extravagant, and did not always suit the students' tastes.
Bluetoyou 3 years ago
At a school district I worked for highly encouraged auto deposit on our paychecks. In the fine print it said they were allowed access to our bank accounts and had the right to withdraw money at any time. I did not sign it even though I was highly pressured to do so. Another district put heaving restrictions on what sites our computers could access. I understand porn sites and explicit images from school kids but a whole lot of sites that I used for educational purposes were blocked. I later found out from a campus tech the porn sites were not restricted on any of the admin's computers. Hmmmmm....... we were also given a perk of life insurance by the district. If your business offers this see who the beneficiary is. Read the fine print. Just saying.
Bink Bork 3 years ago (edited)
I read the fine print on Windows Vista. There was a clause that stated that all paid services which run on Microsoft products contractually must function even if no product code is entered to register the product. There was another clause that stated in the case of breach of contract, the contract was null and void. It also stated the maximum damages one could sue for was the cost of the windows license on the affect machine(s). Back then Netflix used to run solely on MS Silverlight, a browser extension made specifically by Microsoft for playing DRM content. Netflix, a paid service, would not load on an unregistered copy of windows Vista because Silverlight disallowed it. MS was in breach of contact and liable for damages above the cost of the license for windows on the affect machine. When I pointed this out to their legal team, they pulled all of my licenses, about $1,000 worth, and subsequently blacklisted me so that all future licenses that I purchased from them were nullified for 5 years without refund or compensation.
martin734 3 years ago
I don't know about the USA, but in the UK consumer and employment rights supersede contract clauses. If any clause in a contract tries to take away or counters any statutory rights or entitlements then that contract clause becomes null and void. A contract cannot take away any rights you are entitled to by law.
Emma S 3 years ago (edited)
Thank you! I'm a law graduate in the UK and get frustrated that people think they can add whatever clauses they like to a contract and it's legal as long as it's signed. No you can't put a waiver into a contract saying that the other person can't sue you for any reason as this is illegal. Same with premises that will sometimes put up signs saying we accept no responsibility for any injuries caused. Not going to stand up in court should someone be injured as a result of negligence and neither should it. Rant over. 😆
Load More Replies... JP Doyle 3 years ago
My very first auto insurance policy from AAA had a small print clause that stated in event of nuclear war my vehicle was not covered for any damage caused by nuclear fallout or acid rain caused by nuclear fallout. It said I was only fully covered if my vehicle was totally destroyed by a nuclear explosion...
Daria 3 years ago
That I'm OK with a doctor accidentally puncturing my stomach during the gastrofibroscopy, and agree not to sue. It ended well, but I decided against further visits to that clinic.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Yikes! I've lost 3 family to doctor errors, and 1 dear friend. That clause is disturbing.
Load More Replies... A very bored panda 3 years ago
This makes me wonder… what are Boredpanda’s terms and conditions?
Kat Nt 3 years ago
House shopping. My contact with my realtor said she would get my current house if I did not purchase a new home within x days.
Tacet 3 years ago
Do appreciate that they work both ways. A dude got sent a a credit card application or some such read through the t&C's and ammended it to have no interest and no fee and sent it in. He was sent a card then took them to court when they charged him. He won as the judge ruled that they sent him a card therefore they agreed to the revised contract.
Lara Verne 3 years ago (edited)
One hairstylist school had interesting terms and conditions that anyone who wanted to study there has to sign. Basically, teachers could give students haircuts and dye their hair as they see fit. There wasn't any dress/hair code, they did it so students could represent school. Problem was, these haircuts were sometimes pretty extravagant, and did not always suit the students' tastes.
Bluetoyou 3 years ago
At a school district I worked for highly encouraged auto deposit on our paychecks. In the fine print it said they were allowed access to our bank accounts and had the right to withdraw money at any time. I did not sign it even though I was highly pressured to do so. Another district put heaving restrictions on what sites our computers could access. I understand porn sites and explicit images from school kids but a whole lot of sites that I used for educational purposes were blocked. I later found out from a campus tech the porn sites were not restricted on any of the admin's computers. Hmmmmm....... we were also given a perk of life insurance by the district. If your business offers this see who the beneficiary is. Read the fine print. Just saying.
Bink Bork 3 years ago (edited)
I read the fine print on Windows Vista. There was a clause that stated that all paid services which run on Microsoft products contractually must function even if no product code is entered to register the product. There was another clause that stated in the case of breach of contract, the contract was null and void. It also stated the maximum damages one could sue for was the cost of the windows license on the affect machine(s). Back then Netflix used to run solely on MS Silverlight, a browser extension made specifically by Microsoft for playing DRM content. Netflix, a paid service, would not load on an unregistered copy of windows Vista because Silverlight disallowed it. MS was in breach of contact and liable for damages above the cost of the license for windows on the affect machine. When I pointed this out to their legal team, they pulled all of my licenses, about $1,000 worth, and subsequently blacklisted me so that all future licenses that I purchased from them were nullified for 5 years without refund or compensation.
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