Huge Debate Explodes Over Swedes’ Refusal to Feed Their Children’s Guests, And Here’re 30 Foreigners’ Best Reactions
In the past days, Sweden has been the center of controversy with the hashtag #Swedengate all over Twitter. It all started from an innocent question “What is the weirdest thing you had to do at someone else’s house because of their culture/religion?” which the redditor u/sebastian25525 posed on Ask Reddit.
One particular response caught everyone’s attention. “I remember going to my Swedish friend's house,” one person wrote. “And while we were playing in his room, his mom yelled that dinner was ready. And check this. He told me to WAIT in his room while they ate,” the redditor shared. The post received 31.8k upvotes, spreading like wildfire all across social media.
Many people just couldn’t wrap their head around the fact that the Swedish don’t feed their children’s guests and were eager to find out whether it’s actually true. What followed was an infinite amount of shares, reactions, memes and experiences from Swedes themselves. So let’s see what they had to say below!

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So the poor kids aren’t worthy of rich people food. I get it. Really disgusting tradition
This thread seems to be about Sweden in the 70s and 80s... you probably didn't need to qualify "white"...
From my experience I call BS on the posts trying to make this a class thing.
Load More Replies...This is soooo interesting to me. I thought "forcing" food on guests was a universal thing. From these posts I still can't tell if not offering food to guests is a Swedish thing or an a*****e thing.....
In order to find out what Swedes themselves had to say about this cultural phenomenon, we spoke with a Swedish woman who goes by the Twitter handle @missfotografica. Having participated in the debate over Swedes not feeding their children’s kids in various Twitter threads, @missfotografica made a couple of clarifications.
First, she doesn’t think this is true today. “I remember when I was a kid in the 1980s and then it was true, at least where and when I grew up. I have no idea where that came from, but I never ate lunch or dinner at my friends'. Maybe, if some arrangement was made in advance among the parents, but that almost never happened,” she recounted. Meanwhile, @missfotografica added that her kids have always eaten at friends' houses and they have always offered lunch/dinner at theirs. “I wouldn’t dream of having someone wait in another room,” she said.
Key words: "from my context". In my context this mom would have ruined the dinner plans of many families.
Actually most of the time you would inform the parents of the other children that they would be having dinner there right? I don't really see a problem
Load More Replies...New Englander here. My mom would whip up lots of food whenever a friend stepped foot in my house, just in case they were hungry. It was considered rude to have a guest go hungry. My dad agreed and his maternal grandparents were off-the-boat Swedes.
Sharing food is the epitome of hospitality. OMG - the first thing ANYONE is asked at my house is "Have you eaten, what can I get you to drink? You're fine, no, nothing? Okay, I'll fix you something". Seriously, I would be utterly offended if someone left my home hungry.
This is so strange! I am swedish and I have never heard of such a thing in my while life. Nor have I heard any friend ever having experienced this in their while life. To mee it sounds like the russians miscrediting us for trying to join nato…
As a young adult, I went to my Egyptian friend's house. He wasn't even home as it turned out, but his *uncles*, who I had never met before, absolutely insisted I stay for a bowl of food, they were so dead set on being hospitable. While trying to talk middle eastern politics, which went way over my head at that age. :)
Happened to me and my sister at my Father's sister's house, in Wyckoff, NJ. My mother called us over to her seat at the dining room table, my Mom shared her dinner with us. My father's sister was annoyed and did not offer us a chair. My father was embarrassed.
Omg, your own AUNT served dinner and wasn't planning on feeding you? What kind of psycho is she?!?
Load More Replies...This happened to my dad and grandfather when they went to visit old family friends in Scotland during my grandfather's last international trip. Popped in to visit. The friend had maybe an hour's notice and it was only supposed to be a short visit. The friend then proceeded to bring out this enormous platter of sandwiches they made during the hour before my dad and grandfather showed up.
This I understand. I’m Greek we feed everyone that walks through our door whether we know them or not
Slovenian here. My mum 80 years young just had an open heart surgery, double bypass. Spent 5 days in icu high as a kite on a mix of meds. I was sitting by her side as she rambled from all the drugs, she kept repeating "now I have you over and I haven't even begun to prepare dinner yet". She always cooked enough to feed a battalion just in case there were visitors. Nobody left without enough in their belly to roll out the door ever.
Russian Jewish mom here - we feed everyone! I remember times when I was broke, too, (I'm a single mom) and I wept inside making food for 5 hungry pre-teens, because I knew it was our week's food supply gone in one sitting. But I was not going to tell them children "you have food at home!" You come to our place - you are fed! It might be Kraft mac-n-cheese, but it will be hot and there will be plenty!
I grew up poor and we never invited friends over at meal times because we couldn't afford to feed any extra mouths.
Yes, my grandfather grew up on the lower end of the income scale, went to work in a Virginia coal mine at age 12 (his father was the mine supervisor), worked his way up to better jobs in a shipyard and oil company. If you came to his house, you were fed. They could always throw on one more chop, or make a quick pan of cornbread to extend the meal if needed, but he would have felt shame if anyone left his home hungry.
While in Scotland, I visited some locals, not friends, mind you. Gained ten pounds. If I only could fully understand what they were talking about.
Neighborhood kids house, everyone getting a drink, no drink offered to me, but their mother saw me standing in front of the open refrigerator (which her kids just left open) and starts freaking out on me for trying to get food without asking. I never went back to their house. They were from Scotland, as was my one grandmother, who was also a fkd up lady.
My parents had 11 children. There was always at least 5 at home at one time (births were spread out, you know. lol!). With that many children there were sure to be kids' friends over. If it was lunch time, they ate with us. If it was dinnertime and we were doing something we wanted to finish after dinner, the friends call home to ask if it were alright to eat with us. Most of the time their parents said yes. Some asked to speak with our mother before agreeing. Even though I caught my mother counting pennies, we always had our fill as did any friends who came over to play. No one left hungry. It was the same way at our cousins' homes, friends ate with them. I also remember neighbors calling to borrow food items. Everyone's home was like an emergency ingredient pantry when someone was lacking something. My mother used to have us run an item down the street to a neighbor. My wife and I have fed our neighbor's 12-yr son dinner when his (single) mom had to work late. And how he can eat! lol
This picture is the main reason I just got up to make food 😂
Load More Replies...My Swiss family has to be warned 2 weeks before hand to visit them. I just can't drop by for a coffee, it's according to them rude to do so. Having lived in California for the greatest part of my childhood it was a shook how cold the Swiss are. As kids in the neighborhood where lived it was open house every day. The mothers would always give us food and drinks. So different from here.
I have been living in Switzerland for a couple years and I totally agree with you. They are so estranged from each other, just beyond comprenhension!
Load More Replies...It's an Asian thing. There are always a minimum of like 8 dishes prepared for every meal. You will NEVER not have enough food to eat. Also, depending on which Asian culture, it is not uncommon for alcohol to be available at every meal. It's a kicker starting your day 100+ proof liquor during breakfast. Gotta wake up that liver early...
I can confirm this is true. We went by my friends house to get her computer, and her mom started cooking for guest. Apologized for not having any western food, asked if there is anything I don't eat, was I vegetarian or muslim, because she can cook for those things. Sweetest people ever. You will not be hungry there.
This is a true story. I had a Taiwanese friend. And, OMG, so tasty!
My mother is from Taiwan. When I finally went to visit my family there they fed me until I was almost sick. I've never eaten so much. And my father's family is Italian, so I am used to eating quite a lot with family!
When asked whether Swedes ever discuss this, @missfotografica said that they never really talk about this nowadays. “It’s not a thing anymore and people today have a totally different view on this, in my opinion,” she said.
When it comes to all the chaos the news that Swedes don’t feed their children’s guests sparked on social media, @missfotografica commented: “I think most people in other countries got the idea that this is still a current thing. They didn’t get that this was 35-40 years ago.”
The woman also added that this is solely her experience: “I’m not speaking on behalf of all the people who grew up in Sweden in the ’80s, even if I have heard from several others who lived it too.” For all the critics and negative commenters out there, @missfotografica wants to say: “Just come to Sweden and have dinner with us! You are more than welcome! But to make it a bit more Swedish, please call first,” she laughed.
That's next level! I had parents pack my kid lunch when she only dropped by after school to say hi! Different nationalities - a Korean family, an Assyrian family, a Pakistani family, a Mexican family... I've always fed my kid's friends (and always will!) but I will never be as good as those parents, alas :( They are my heroes!
Married to a Greek wife, lmao over this! On our first visits to her relatives I was constantly shouted at. 90% of all cases was about me being expected to eat something/more.
My friend's Greek mother will not let me leave without having eaten sth. Even if I say I'm full, she doesn't need to make sth especially for me etc. There's no way to say no to her 🤣 And I'm 33.
Had a Greek friend growing up. Only ever ate dinner at his home once. Turns out you do not serve yourself. The father sits at the head of the table and he serves how much food he thinks you should have. I should also add that NO ONE can leave the table until they finish their plate. My friend was a big eater, I was not. His father assumed that since we were that same age and build that I should be given just as much as him plus extra because I was a guest. It took me an hour to finish all of that food without puking. I declined to ever eat there again.
I remember the movie Little Big Man, where the old chief's greeting through the years was always, "My heart soars to see you again. Do you wanna eat?"
in philippines, its a good manner to ask strangers to join in eating. "Let's eat!" "Thanks. okay" (but replies are just out of respect and not actually joining the fiest)
In my country, we straight up say this in English. Especially between couples, regardless of gender. If they have eaten, you listen to what they ate and tease, praise or express (playful)jealousy. If they have not eaten, you offer to treat them, give recommendations or just encourage them to eat. It is used to show love and care
Sweden is known as home to the happiest people on earth who enjoy their nature and hearty cuisine. The country is also renowned for its quality of life, leaving many countries behind in happiness, equality and social connection. This reputation may be to blame for people on social media taking the news that Swedes don’t feed their children's guests dinner as such a shock. On the other hand, this is likely one big misunderstanding that happens all too often on social media.
In response to the controversial topic, Swedish writer Linda Johansson wrote this viral opinion piece for the Independent titled “I’m Swedish – it’s true that we don’t serve food to guests. What’s the problem?” What many people on Twitter and Reddit were thinking of as a rumor or a rare quirk, according to her, was actually true.
I was a grown-a*s man about 28 and after a Sunday football match was driving past my mums on the way to the pub and needed the loo. Went in, followed by two cars full of blokes needing to go as well (we had already had a drink in the clubhouse). Are you boys hungry? says mum. Within five minutes there was enough sandwiches to feed an army. They were devoured as if a plague of locusts had blown through. "Hey PC your mums a Diamond" Yes I know! She passed a few years ago now but people still mention it to me.
Same here. My parents fed everyone, too. All of the neighbor kids were treated like us kids. That means, “if you want a second helping, go get it.” “If you want something from the fridge, go get it.” “If you want a cookie, well, you know where the cookie jar is.” “Are you staying for dinner? Yes? OK grab a plate.” It was great. Some of those kids didn’t have the greatest home environment and they loved to be at our house. No one took advantage of it. No one was inconsiderate. Everyone knew this was all a very good thing.
Load More Replies...In the US: I have no kids but in my house if we are eating, so is everyone else. My mom used to bring us cookies and milk when I had friends over to play and the guests got first choice. We always fed our guests first and I thought everyone did that because all my friends parents did that too! I would have just left if they did that to me. To rude and hurtful implying I'm not good enough to eat with them. This was 60+ years back but things should not have changed.
True story. One time (in Poland) I was in my friend's home, and they didn't invade me for ad dinner. I had to wait in the second room as the whole family eat. I remember this after 20 years and I remember that all people I told said it was super rude not to offer me even the sandwich. If you are in a Slavic home, you probably receive tons of food. Nowadays the difference is that some parents just call me to say or ask about allergies.
So true, my girlfriend's mom was Ukrainian, she used to make the best pierogies and her father would keep piling them on my plate(I had gotten a reputation as a good eater due to having 4 brothers). Her dad even started packing 2 lunches, because she told him that I never had one..
Polish here - it's not that common. Maybe in other part of Poland (Eastern?), but in Pommerania if I visited a friend during dinner time I had to wait until he eats and be back. Completely non-controversial for me, totally normal - I have my dinner at my home, why would I eat anywhere else?
So true for Poland and Polish people whose hospitality is heartwarming and giving; not only food but sometimes they give you a gift to remember them.
Even though I'm Danish, I'll always offer my kids' friends food if they're at our place. If they don't want any, that's fine, but they WILL get the offer. I will say, though, one time my youngest ate dinner at a friend's house, some marinated chicken and whatever on the side. Shortly afterwards, she starts having problems breathing, and it turns out there was peanuts on the chicken. My daughter KNOWS she's allergic, but it never once dawned on her there could be peanuts on chicken-sticks. She's also gotten sick from drinking apple juice at a friend's, again due to allergies........ so that IS another factor to consider when offering other people's kids food 😊
I’ve been feeding my kids friends for years , 1 actually invited herself to stay for a during a school holiday lol
I can confirm this! When you are our guest better accept that you gonna eat whether you’re hungry or not. We don’t care 😂
My Italian friend, the second you were in the door “ have you eaten” “I’m not hungry thanks” “ I’ll make you something anyway” . Her mum was the same, you never left their house without having at least a large snack. 🤣
This was my entire childhood at my parents and grandparents'. I still have to feed people when they come to my house. At the very least I'll bake a cake to serve with coffee/tea. But I'm happier if I can feed them "real" food.
Load More Replies...I was at an ex-friend's house once around dinner time. I asked her about eating and she said they didnt have any food in the house. When I told her I'd be right back bc I wanted to go home and eat she begged me to stay. But claimed she didnt even have $5 to order takeout. So I ordered the 2 of us a pizza and planned to take the leftovers home. Well I was in the bathroom when the pizza came and by the time I came out her entire family (she lived with her parents, older brother, older brother's gf, and said gf's daughter) had already grabbed several slices leaving me with one. and when i complained I was told I was being rude to order food to someone else's house. B!tch yall have 5 adults living in this house and none of yall have any money for food?? I did not come over here to feed all yall. smh
Very easy to see why she's an ex friend! I think I would've stolen something on the way out in revenge
Load More Replies...I would have told them I was leaving because I was hungry too. How cruel! IMO, allowing a child to stay over and NOT feeding them is abuse! If you can't afford the extra food for a child, then don't let them stay over. I would have been livid if someone did that to my kid.
I lived in Buffalo, NY and had that happen to me twice, at different friends houses. I still remember it to this day. And how sad and humiliating it was.
I almost never brought my friends home, I went to their house. They had dinner an hour earlier than us and I ended up having two dinners most nights, because my mother told me to stop eating at their house, which I didn't. I stopped telling her I was.
People with lower income know what int s like being hungry or thirsty
I'm swedish, and this is true. When I grew up this was common, and as many swedish people already said, it was at the home of high and middle class families you always had to wait when tej family had dinner. In my mom's apartment where money was tight, we had neighbors, kids from other poor familes and Friends over all the time eating what ever we had to offer. I remember one breakfast when some dude I never seen before was sitting at our table, don't know where my mother found him, but apparently he needed some food.
I've got some Swedish stories over the time I spent with them. If someone invites your kid for barbecue, it means you pay for what the kid has consumed. Friend who is a foreigner asked a Swede coworker, whom he knows for years: I always invite you for dinner but you never once did so. Why? Aren't we friends? "Oh. I didn't come for you, I came for the food". They don't mean to They don't mean to hurt. They are just different. Also. I come from beer and schnapps culture. We don't offer our guests coffee, unless it's morning or post lunch... it's apparently also a big no no to ask: will you have beer or wine. If you drink on any other day than Saturday, you are an alcoholic.
Recounting her childhood, Johansson wrote: “As a child growing up in Gothenburg, I remember not really caring at all that I wasn’t being fed – I just continued playing and had a nice, quiet time while the other family had their dinner.” She added that the time when her friend was eating “was usually just a quick ‘pause’; probably because they didn’t want to mess up my family’s plans,” she wondered.
In many other cultures, this approach will not be met well, and many Twitter users shared that in the various trending threads about the topic. But Johansson did a great job of explaining the whys and buts about Swedes not feeding their kids’ guests.
“The Swedish thinking goes like this: the other child (or the other family) may have plans for another kind of dinner, and you wouldn’t want to ruin the routine or preparations.”The writer also said that she doesn’t think it is anything to do with not wanting to feed the other child or because it costs money. “It’s more to do with tradition and wanting to eat with your own family,” she wrote.
This is familiar! We lived in the same town as my mam, very near the city centre. She’d sometimes miss the off peak bus when she’d been shopping and rather than pay her bus fare (she had a pensioners bus pass) she’d come to ours for a while. The concept of not feeding a visitor is beyond me so I’d stretch the meal, fine for stews etc but tricky for chops! The number of times I gave up my chop and had fish fingers was unbelievable but you have to feed visitors first.
True, my parents are very close friends with a family that is rich (we met them before they made their fortune) and we always ate something at home whenever they invited us over for dinner. They are very nice otherwise though.
wait, so what do you actually do there if they invited you for dinner but they didn’t give you food?
Load More Replies...Me thinking about some celebrity (whose name I can't remember) who served abt a spoon of pasta as a serving for adults: "This dude's right"
I think you're thinking of Kourtney Kardashian's recent wedding. People freaked out, except it was a multi-course dinner.
Load More Replies...I'm going to guess at the reason: A rough measure for how much to spend on a wedding gift is how much the couple spent on you as a guest to attend. So someone might be very shy to eat more fancy food that they could afford with the price of their gift? If so, this is backwards thinking, since the marrying couple won't save any money of you don't enjoy the food they put forth.
For those who wonder, the situation would be different if you were actually invited over as a proper “playdate”, Johansson explained, but that wasn’t usually the case. “We didn’t really have the same kind of formally arranged invitations. I think in many ways, Sweden is more of a free society than the UK.”
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. It is 'inconceivable'.
Tbf, Portuguese is her first language. Going around the internet making fun of non-native English speakers for their grammar mistakes is not a great look.
Load More Replies...Exactly. Heaven help the person who comes over but is NOT hungry. Trust me, you are gonna eat - whether you are hungry or not.
Spanish here. Same. Even if is a short visit, you will be offered at least something to drink. And if is meal time, we NEVER deny even a fried egg!! My father says that a spanish potato omelette is done in nothing. And there is always room to improvise (some cheeses, some mini-toasts, chips, guacamole, ham, whatever!!). Basic hospitality, dang!!
Well in Mexico, people will not eat or drink anything until you leave. Mezquino
I'm mexican and I was in a few homes where the whole family would just starve before offering me food...
I grew up in Chile and I am a very peaky eater, and it was torture if I was in a friend's house at meal times, cause I was forced to eat everything they served me!
my friends family used to do this when i stayed over and they are not Swedish they would say if you stay here you shouldn't expect to get fed
Yes, I also need someone to explain. It makes no sense!!! You go to eat and have your friend wait until you finish...? Guests are not expected to eat? Not even if they're sleeping at your house...?
Load More Replies...F****d yo! What is the reason behind this shitty hospitality? Especially if you’re like “I’ll leave, you’re gonna eat.” And the Swedes are like, “No, stay and watch us eat and then go back To chillin w/our kid.”
I don't get the "wait until we're done eating" part though. If that's the culture, then why don't guests leave at mealtime?
Why would they leave? Maybe the kid already ate at home or has a mealtime two hours later, which means there is still plenty of playtime.
Load More Replies...I never really thought about this until I read this article but my mother is half Swedish and this is how it was when I was a kid and I guess how I did things with my kids. We didn't eat without them though. They were just always sent home right before dinnertime. I absolutely agree that the reason wasn't money but that we didn't want the parents to be upset that they ate at our house when they had dinner waiting for them at home. If friends slept over they absolutely ate every meal with us.
You were wrong indeed. Depending on where you're at, dinner is by invitation only and just showing up and expecting to be fed can be considered rude. I am Swiss, and this appears to be something the Swiss and the Swedes actually are similar at. Mom shopped and cooked for a certain number of people.
If you aren't going to fed your guests, then STOP INVITING THEM OVER. In every instance of this, the people were INVITED OVER. They didn't just "show up."
Load More Replies...Moreover, “Children are allowed to run around more freely there, so they would usually just knock on the door and ask if they can come in and play – and obviously, you don’t 'plan' how many children would be at your house in that instance. It would be a complete surprise. The parents wouldn’t be included, usually, they wouldn’t come over to your house or expect to be catered for,” she argues in the piece.
The offer or denial of a meal can be telling of social relations. #Swedengate shows how invites can be dependent on historical precedent, parental expectation or food wastage.
They don't offer food even for the sleepover? Do they expect guests to bring their own food?
They do. Sleep over is in different category than a play date.
Load More Replies...yes, it is pretty much the same in Norway. I worked as an au-pair in a Norwegian family with 3 kids. One evening there was a mom over with her kid - a playdate. The family just went to the kitchen and left her alone on the couch, never even offered any snacks or drink, let alone dinner. I felt it was so weird, even when I was hungry I stayed with the guest to keep her company. I remember them complaining about how expensive the food was, but they kept throwing away so much edible food, to this day I cannot understand this. The thing is - they still think they are poor, and will have no qualms about eating all of your food when they visit you, even when they show up empty-handed at your door.
This is me currently ... 430am and have to be up in an hour and a half to get my kids ready for school! But I'm in complete shock this is a thing!
It is 4:40 for my and tomorrow is Saturday... So I'll just keep reading!
Load More Replies...Meanwhile, Timothy Heffernan, a postdoctoral fellow and UNSW Sydney researcher, also shared an illuminating explanation about the controversial debate. According to him, it all comes down to cultural differences where various acts of social behavior are interpreted differently. He wrote in an article for Medium: “Localized norms have existed in all cultures across history. Denial isn’t necessarily an act of inhospitality – it just points to cultural norms, contested as they may be, as seen through the #Swedengate controversy.”
Moreover, according to Heffernan, “localized norms have existed in all cultures across history. Denial isn’t necessarily an act of inhospitality – it just points to cultural norms, contested as they may be, as seen through the #Swedengate controversy.”
I don't agree with eating around guests but I also don't agree with trying to force someone to eat.
Then you tell them how skinny they're getting and ask questions like "don't they feed you?" Oh, wait... that's my Italian friends' Moms.
hopefully sweden will be fully recovered quickly. flower's & snow - right?
Except we'd probably apologize for your perceived sleight. lol 😂 🇨🇦
Load More Replies...no kidding - i thought everything was flowers and snow in sweden. {it's just culture though i think} still, ya' gotta' feed them little hungry folk.
Sweden is a propaganda-state. By that I mean that there is a culture in Swedish statesmanship and media that expects you to portray the nation as excellent and being a example of moral and ethical virtues. Why? Because of Sweden's neutrality policy, because it's good for business and because it gives Sweden political soft power. Sweden punches above its weight in politics, or at least it used to, because of the virtue-propaganda strategy. Sweden has covered up a lot of horrible things from its past like collaboration with the Nazis, medical experiments on human beings, segregation of the indigenous people, concentration camps etc. Sweden is a nation with a lot of shady deals, today and in the past, but the propaganda state makes the scandal that do leak seem like exceptions and not the rule. A bit off topic but it will help people to understand Sweden as a nation.
Well this isn't everyone it's only happend to me once in my whole life. It's not the norm
it's the norm in the foreign policy, apparently.
Load More Replies...Offer any guest food. Or at least a drink. Heavens, even the plumber or electrician are offered coffee or tea.
Do kids bring sandwiches with them so they don't, y'know .... STARVE? Swedish sleepovers seem like they'd be the WORST!
When we were kids and were invited for dinner, we would call mom to see if it was ok first. My friends did the same. I don't understand why this is even an issue.
One phone call to parents should solve that problem. For "Hi Lars, your son is playing with Emma at our home, and all kids are hungry. Should I give him dinner or do you have some plans and a sandwich will be ok?" or "Hi, kids are hungry now, does Matti have some allergies or he can eat everything?" So simply. So much fun for kids. Longer play. Parents know each other.
It's not too uncommon to do this. But it does violate the sacred Nordic maxim of "least communication possible". 😅
Load More Replies...I'd love to know how Swedish parents would react if a guest kid would sit with them, unpacked his super extra good looking and rich breakfast/dinner/lunch in front of them and started to eat this.
Yeah, this has got 'flimsy premise for can't be bothered' written all over it.
Load More Replies...As a Midwesterner in the US, this is baffling. We don't even ask if you're hungry. At the very least a plate of cheese, crackers, and sausage will be out for everyone to snack on at all times. If you're at our place at dinner time, we just automatically set you a place and usually stuff you so full you can't move afterwards. Then we give you leftovers to take home.
My future in-laws used to do that and I honestly found it very difficult. I didn't have the appetite they did or the same taste in food and instead of accepting 'no thanks' I'd be pressured and pressured until I caved. Was served a food that honestly makes me gag and told at the same time 'people who don't like this are weird' and I was too inexperienced and shy to say 'that's me!' It took me ages to eat it! I found that immensely embarrassing. The leftovers I'd be forced to accept would also make me feel guilty as I'd have to go home and hope someone else would want it - as I lived on my own at that point it was rare and I hated throwing food out. Different cultures is all I'd add. There is nothing wrong with yours but I'd love it if people would accept a no at some point! ☹️
Load More Replies...My Jewish mother’s soul is on fire! COME TO MY HOUSE, I WILL FEED YOU ALL! 💕
Orientales, Europe, Africa, Asia The America's etc will feed and serve you drinks if you want it or not
Load More Replies...As soon as my child's friends walk in my door, wether it is mealtime or not, I ask if they are hungry or thirsty.
A play date I could understand, but a sleepover you should expect to feed the guest
Hmm, even if kids just came over to play I'd still feed them with sweets, biscuits and/or offer some juice...They can take it or leave it. It's not a simple matter of feeding, but it is the thought that counts. I'd be horrified if the same happened to me.
Wait they invited you to sit with them but didn't feed you?? Who are these people?
I understand how awkward it must have felt for you. But the thought of someone sit and watch me eat a whole meal while they are not is the most weirdest feeling ever.
MIssissippian here, I think a Southern/Italian American mamaw sounds like the best thing in the world. The only thing I love more than southern cooking is Italian cooking. You put them together with southern hospitality and I would be in Heaven.
a racist, criminal and satanist heaven, though.
Load More Replies...Not really a fair meme. North Americans and Western Europeans are also hospitable.
mother of a neighbor that worked in food retail (a privilege during ceausescu) eating yellow cheese with smoked ham on a bell pepper, since they had enough to skip bread while talking to me...it happens in romania too. also, all over the world is a matter of status, no matter what the local culture says.
OP said to add other cultures, so sure, add whoever you want.
Load More Replies...World is dunking so hard on Sweden that it might break away from the Scandinavian peninsula and drift deep towards the Arctic lol
Is it the difference between a child visiting, and unexpected, and not one that is invited over? I'd find that easier to understand, just about. Would still find it impossible to not offer them something! I remember my parents making a meal stretch when there was a friend around at the same time as dinner - we were poor and it wasn't amazing but we all ate!
what kind of heart imposes that to children? and then uses them for propaganda?
Load More Replies...Right! I've only had this happen in two familys and both was a bit richer than average
Sad part is it should be the polar opposite. If the "poor" will feed yours, what does that say about them?
Load More Replies...So what, providing basic hospitality is considered gauche in Sweden?
That makes it even worse. Would understand low income families prioritising their own kids (without the awkwardness of having to wait elsewhere), but if you have the means a little extra pasta or rice, or an egg doesn't add up much
Not in my experience. As someone who grew up in the Netherlands, we’ve always fed guest/ always gotten food as a guest. This seems absolutely bonkers to me.
Pfftt no way. We don't do that in the Netherlands, you just had a bad friend. We always give kids food, always.
So send the kids home. At my (midwestern.American)house the norm was kids stayed until about a half hour before dinner unless they were staying for dinner. Also if a concern is they have dinner at home that would go to waste the logic of letting them sit in your home alone for the meal while you eat is insane. This was the 1980s so we also roamed around with friends and went from house to house on our bikes
New Englander here. If your friend's family was about to eat dinner, you just went home for your own dinner. It would have been rude to stay. And if you were invited to dinner, you were fed along with the rest of the family.
Load More Replies...Um, kids are free to roam where I'm from too. Come dinner time we'd just go home to eat and then gather again after. It's really bizarre to have kids stay in the other room while you eat, instead of sending them home.
UGh, getting angry here. I grew up in a very social environment too here in America (kids roamed free from a very young age, could be at any friends house at any time) and if I was playing with a friend, the mom (yes, sorry, the mom) offered me dinner. If we were still playing, I stayed for dinner. If we were done playing I left and went home. Sometimes I would call my mom to tell her I was eating at so and so's...sometimes I didn't. She always knew I was safe. Sorry Swedes but no, just no.
When I was a kid, I had a friend (we're actually friends to this day), and she had no internet home. I would invite her over almost everyday so we could play web games, or just have fun on the computer. My mom fed her every single day, whatever we had, she had. My mom always cooked a lot of everything, so there was no problem sharing. Also whenever our family went on a visit, the visitors always fed us too. Always. For me, to feed anyone who comes over, is just the most natural thing ever, even if it's just a little snack or something.
so they are so unfriendly because they are so friendly? weird is not enough to describe this explanation.
Again, a poor excuse. Send them home but waiting in another room or staring other people eat is downright rude
Those immigrants were not typically upper middle class or upper class. They were lower middle to poor, who have a different custom, as has been repeatedly discussed.
I'm German and my friend is Irish (living in Germany). She said one of the biggest differences is that when someone asks you if you (for example) fancy a slice of cake, Irish people will go "oh no, thanks, I couldn't" multiple times before accepting (because that's what's expected). Whereas a German will just go "oh yes, thank you". Can confirm 😄
Second German here. Can confirm: straight to the point! If food is offered, don't waste time. The food is getting cold ;-)
Load More Replies...The hell you say. Swedish meatballs are soft and rich, the lingonberry or chokecherry jam tart but sweet, the white gravy on the boiled potatoes the pinnacle of comfort food.
And pickled herring with some pickled red onion on a Club cracker is a divine treat.
Load More Replies...as a black american southerner, i heartily co-sign this statement. black people will feed you whether you hungry or not. if you at the house, you eating - periodt.
As a Mexican living in the US south…saaaaaaaaaaaame! Also going home with a “plate” lol Btw, I love, love, love your username! Interesting fact, Lupita was born in Mexico, so I try to claim her, she’s a queen🤩
Load More Replies...That is one thing i love about the south nobody ever goes home hungry no matter how much or little you have
You’re showing your age, John. Or your a*s, take your pick, dear.
Load More Replies...Agree. My mom was 100% Slovak. If you set foot in the house, you were getting fed. If it was near a regular meal, you joined us for dinner. If not, it would be a cheese board and a glass of wine or beer. Or pastries and coffee.
Load More Replies...That's pretty normal, not everyone can afford to feed their kid's friends. Sending them home, instead of having them sit in the other room while you eat, is the right thing to do.
Then you send the kid home or call the other parents and see if it iis ok to feed them. This approach is rude, cruel, and stupid.
This sounds absurd, and caters to a very sick sense of control and entitlement. Children are not pets and as said adult guests are nit treated the same. What if wife made supper and husband at at a friend's, or husband made dinner and wife ate out. Why does it only apply to kids if waste or family time is the reason. If it is it applies to all or all can take a break to share a meal with friends.
makes sense - where i'm from if the case is about keeping the kid hungry 'cause there's something special coming, the parents would give this info. otherwise - you ate.
Do Swedes cook every evening? Where I'm from it's normal to cook enough food for 2-3 days, cooking every day is such a chore. So you'd always have extra for unexpected guests, and if you don't you whip up something qucik, because hospitality.
Yes, Swedes cook every evening, and usually exactly how much they'll need for dinner. And if they have invited guests for dinner, they cook the portions precicely - which is awkward but oh well...
Load More Replies...My household is two, so I usually only cook for two. My partner’s parents have a habit of dropping by unannounced, so instead of cooking, we order a pizza or something. Problem solved.
Of you don't mind waiting and have enough money to order food. Ordering food is more of a luxury here.
Load More Replies...I can understand. I send kids home near dinner time if the playdate was spontaneous. I expect my kids to return home for dinner as well, and not eat unannounced at another place, leaving me with dinner that I might have to throw away. (Because it might have been defrosted/leftovers from another day). Ofcourse when friends come home from school with us they also eat a snack ofcourse.
Yes same in the Netherlands. You don't make extra for unexpected guests. My ex mil is Indonesian and she always cooked a load extra, even if she expected noone to come. So lol all those lazy kids from her plus spouses and kids would drop by at dinner time all the time and at one point she had enough of it and kicked em out.
and that's exactly the subcontext, instead of all pentagon meme explanations - to kick them out.
Load More Replies...My friend's mom and my aunt will literally start cooking for you even if you say you've just eaten. One is a middle-aged Greek lady, the other an elderly German. It's unfathomable to them to have you visit and not offer you anything. Even if you come over unannounced. It's like it physically pains them if they can't feed you.
As a northern german - this is b******t! If you stay over at someones house and the family or people living there is/are having lunch/dinner/breakfast you will get offered food. Even if they don't you'll be asked if you want to have a snack. My mom always made an extra portion if I had a friend over.
OK German here. Maybe it's a regional thing but I definitely feed my kids' friends (snacks in the afternoon and if they are still around at dinnertime, they eat with us unless the parents specifically said they were cooking themselves). My kids have always gotten food at their friends' houses.
And what is the explanation? As a Finn, I give food to guests, would not eat in front of them. Incredibly rude.
In my childhood (90s Finland) it was absolutely normal that you spent your mealtimes at home and it would be strange to eat at someone else's home. Sleepovers were a different thing of course.
Load More Replies...England here. Generally you will get offered at least a snack of some description.
Absolutely! I'm in people's homes a lot and have to fight off the cakes and biscuits! I'd be as wide as a barn door if I ate everything I was offered.
Load More Replies...But... I'm Norwegian, I can't remember this being a thing. If we don't feed our kid's friends when they come over, it's because we've talked to their parents and they are cooking dinner for their own kids and want them to come home. I live in a very rural area, maybe towns are different?
live in belgium on the french border. this is not right. they will stuff your face here whenever they get the chance
I am Swedish, half Danish on my father's side but my mother's side is as Swedish as can be and I've lived my entire life in Sweden. And I really don't get what's going on here. Visiting children generally went home at dinnertime unless they stayed the night and then they of course got dinner and breakfast. But as long as their parents were okay with it they could stay for dinner (or lunch during school holidays).
Same in Finland, but the thing is that all families don't have their dinner at the same time, so sometimes you'd happen to be at a friend's place at their dinnertime, which is before or after your own dinnertime.
Load More Replies...I can understand not wanting to feed someone else's kid without their parents' permission - but it's mind-boggling that a century after the invention of the telephone this hasn't had an impact - like that they would typically call and ask the parent for permission.
I can see how it would be difficult to understand this mindset from a different cultural perspective. Try thinking of food as clothes. If another parent called you and asked if it's OK to buy your kid this jacket that he/she likes, you'd feel compelled to say "yes", but you would probably feel weird and undermined about it. So, it's better to not even offer. Having said that, it's not a perfect analogy and it's not too uncommon to call and ask for permission to feed a kid.
Load More Replies...So, demonazing other people's culture is OK now? As some pointed out above, this is about not being rude to the visiting kids' parents. The default is that you spend dinner times eating with your family. I know my mom would have been a little taken aback had I told her that I'm not eating the food she prepared, because I already ate at my friend's place. Sleepovers are a different thing of course, and the bit in the op about not getting breakfast is a weird anomaly.
But all the ones where kids were staying the night or going to be playing until late and STILL did not even receive a snack dont make sense
Load More Replies...My Dutch mother will feed anyone and anything that comes in her vicinity. The proof is my bulk, and you should see her cats, the garden hedgehogs, even the sparrows can barely fly anymore.
My Dutch mother let me send the kids home when it was dinner time. And when I was playing at another friends house they also either let me wait or send me home. It is not typical Dutch to be feeders imo. When I had a friend from Curacao their parents would always feed me. They ate on the most weird times and when I had to go home for lunch, and when I got back to play again, they again fed me!
Load More Replies...OK. In 2015, Sweden received 163,000 asylum seekers and spent €6 billion (1.35% of GDP) on its migrants that year. Sweden have had among the most generous asylum laws within the European Union. They let the immigrants stay, give them free health care, education, pay for their rent. They hire translators when needed, free ptsd therapy etc. 😡 Don't you ever accuse the Swedish people of being greedy, not showing hospitality or being unfriendly! Just let them eat their d*** dinner with their family! 😅
Public policies have nothing to do with hospitality. Unsurprisingly they're one of the lowest density population on earth
Load More Replies...I thought this was fiercely interesting! And in some ways would have solved a lot of my "what the hell do I do here?" during some of my more socially awkward parenting years. But then here's the thing...My mom always made us bring something over to friends houses foodie snackie drinkie to share no matter where we went or for how long. I thought that was super freaking weird and YET to this day I still can't. not. do it. 🤓
Brit here, and kids have lots of Brit/West African friends. They always bring snacks over, it's a politeness thing - kind of 'thank you for having my child over, I know feeding them is expensive so let me share the load'.
Load More Replies...Here's the thing...I'm in Connecticut. I recall going to diff family's houses an leaving at dinner time from playing and not being fed there. No water no snacks no lunch. But I'm sure they were as I'd wait outside for 10-15 min an then they would come back. Now as I recall the 2-3 diff houses this happened at, none were Swede. Maybe the family's didn't want to feed me because times were tight. Maybe they didn't think to offer. Maybe they were snubbing my poor family thinking I was sent to be fed an have fun with that. I don't think so. None were Swede. Was prob just I should have gone home and ate and came back. Like dinner time unless a parent asked if you wanted to eat you then had to call your mom if you wanted to stay. Otherwise you just said no thank you an went home. Of course asking what they have and calling mom to compare whose meal is better was a tough one to pull off.
Thats ridiculous that they didn't give you water though...
Load More Replies...I don't know know if this kind of thing is a norm for Sweden, but I'd be willing to bet it isn't. Growing up, I have had this happen to me occasionally by a friends parents who, at other times, would feed me. It never bothered me and both myself and my friend were all Americans. So my guess is that rather this example being an event that shows how Swedish culture, it is, instead, an example of how the internet takes something that is one sided and tries to define a whole country by it. No context, no unbiased evidence. Just a bunch of personal stories told from one party's point of view.
This happened to me at a sleepover when I was about 12. The mom called everyone to dinner and says I couldn't eat with them. I was to wait in the other room. Didn't offer to make he anything. I just collected my things and left without telling them. Then when my friend's mom called our house, she had the nerve to be upset with me. My mother told her how awful she thought it was to purposefully exclude me, esp since we always make sure my friend had snacks and ate dinner with us when she slept over. I wasn't invited over ever again after that, and it killed the friendship. That was in 1984 or so, and it still stings a bit all these years later.
This family was weird and it is not a swedish custom to let overnight guests starve. The "sit in other room" thing applied when the kids were neighbors and everyone ate at their own homes, so that everyone could plan their meals, and so that people with less income should not be obligated to feed other children. Sometimes a lot of kids played at in the same house, and a lot of people where not that wealthy in the seventies.
Load More Replies...As an Italian, I don't even need to say that this is mind-boggling for me. We always have "something good" for guests that the family is not allowed to eat/drink. I think we suffer from the "Molly Weasley" disease: for our family it's a "Why yes, it's plain pasta again. Shut up and eat" and for the guests it's "I'll offer them every delicacy known to Earth, at the same time apologizing for the simple dinner I've put together".
If the child was fed at their friends house, that would both make the child’s parents indebted to the giving family, as well as robbing them from family-time at their own dinner. It can’t be that hard to understand?
Load More Replies...I am Swedish, half Danish on my father's side but my mother's side is as Swedish as can be and I've lived my entire life in Sweden. And I really don't get what's going on here. Visiting children generally went home at dinnertime unless they stayed the night and then they of course got dinner and breakfast. But as long as their parents were okay with it they could stay for dinner (or lunch during school holidays).
Same in Finland, but the thing is that all families don't have their dinner at the same time, so sometimes you'd happen to be at a friend's place at their dinnertime, which is before or after your own dinnertime.
Load More Replies...I can understand not wanting to feed someone else's kid without their parents' permission - but it's mind-boggling that a century after the invention of the telephone this hasn't had an impact - like that they would typically call and ask the parent for permission.
I can see how it would be difficult to understand this mindset from a different cultural perspective. Try thinking of food as clothes. If another parent called you and asked if it's OK to buy your kid this jacket that he/she likes, you'd feel compelled to say "yes", but you would probably feel weird and undermined about it. So, it's better to not even offer. Having said that, it's not a perfect analogy and it's not too uncommon to call and ask for permission to feed a kid.
Load More Replies...So, demonazing other people's culture is OK now? As some pointed out above, this is about not being rude to the visiting kids' parents. The default is that you spend dinner times eating with your family. I know my mom would have been a little taken aback had I told her that I'm not eating the food she prepared, because I already ate at my friend's place. Sleepovers are a different thing of course, and the bit in the op about not getting breakfast is a weird anomaly.
But all the ones where kids were staying the night or going to be playing until late and STILL did not even receive a snack dont make sense
Load More Replies...My Dutch mother will feed anyone and anything that comes in her vicinity. The proof is my bulk, and you should see her cats, the garden hedgehogs, even the sparrows can barely fly anymore.
My Dutch mother let me send the kids home when it was dinner time. And when I was playing at another friends house they also either let me wait or send me home. It is not typical Dutch to be feeders imo. When I had a friend from Curacao their parents would always feed me. They ate on the most weird times and when I had to go home for lunch, and when I got back to play again, they again fed me!
Load More Replies...OK. In 2015, Sweden received 163,000 asylum seekers and spent €6 billion (1.35% of GDP) on its migrants that year. Sweden have had among the most generous asylum laws within the European Union. They let the immigrants stay, give them free health care, education, pay for their rent. They hire translators when needed, free ptsd therapy etc. 😡 Don't you ever accuse the Swedish people of being greedy, not showing hospitality or being unfriendly! Just let them eat their d*** dinner with their family! 😅
Public policies have nothing to do with hospitality. Unsurprisingly they're one of the lowest density population on earth
Load More Replies...I thought this was fiercely interesting! And in some ways would have solved a lot of my "what the hell do I do here?" during some of my more socially awkward parenting years. But then here's the thing...My mom always made us bring something over to friends houses foodie snackie drinkie to share no matter where we went or for how long. I thought that was super freaking weird and YET to this day I still can't. not. do it. 🤓
Brit here, and kids have lots of Brit/West African friends. They always bring snacks over, it's a politeness thing - kind of 'thank you for having my child over, I know feeding them is expensive so let me share the load'.
Load More Replies...Here's the thing...I'm in Connecticut. I recall going to diff family's houses an leaving at dinner time from playing and not being fed there. No water no snacks no lunch. But I'm sure they were as I'd wait outside for 10-15 min an then they would come back. Now as I recall the 2-3 diff houses this happened at, none were Swede. Maybe the family's didn't want to feed me because times were tight. Maybe they didn't think to offer. Maybe they were snubbing my poor family thinking I was sent to be fed an have fun with that. I don't think so. None were Swede. Was prob just I should have gone home and ate and came back. Like dinner time unless a parent asked if you wanted to eat you then had to call your mom if you wanted to stay. Otherwise you just said no thank you an went home. Of course asking what they have and calling mom to compare whose meal is better was a tough one to pull off.
Thats ridiculous that they didn't give you water though...
Load More Replies...I don't know know if this kind of thing is a norm for Sweden, but I'd be willing to bet it isn't. Growing up, I have had this happen to me occasionally by a friends parents who, at other times, would feed me. It never bothered me and both myself and my friend were all Americans. So my guess is that rather this example being an event that shows how Swedish culture, it is, instead, an example of how the internet takes something that is one sided and tries to define a whole country by it. No context, no unbiased evidence. Just a bunch of personal stories told from one party's point of view.
This happened to me at a sleepover when I was about 12. The mom called everyone to dinner and says I couldn't eat with them. I was to wait in the other room. Didn't offer to make he anything. I just collected my things and left without telling them. Then when my friend's mom called our house, she had the nerve to be upset with me. My mother told her how awful she thought it was to purposefully exclude me, esp since we always make sure my friend had snacks and ate dinner with us when she slept over. I wasn't invited over ever again after that, and it killed the friendship. That was in 1984 or so, and it still stings a bit all these years later.
This family was weird and it is not a swedish custom to let overnight guests starve. The "sit in other room" thing applied when the kids were neighbors and everyone ate at their own homes, so that everyone could plan their meals, and so that people with less income should not be obligated to feed other children. Sometimes a lot of kids played at in the same house, and a lot of people where not that wealthy in the seventies.
Load More Replies...As an Italian, I don't even need to say that this is mind-boggling for me. We always have "something good" for guests that the family is not allowed to eat/drink. I think we suffer from the "Molly Weasley" disease: for our family it's a "Why yes, it's plain pasta again. Shut up and eat" and for the guests it's "I'll offer them every delicacy known to Earth, at the same time apologizing for the simple dinner I've put together".
If the child was fed at their friends house, that would both make the child’s parents indebted to the giving family, as well as robbing them from family-time at their own dinner. It can’t be that hard to understand?
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