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Most of us would happily acknowledge that being a pilot is no easy task. Besides a massive responsibility, they have to be vigilant and accurate while guiding a massive metal bird into a populated airspace. And, unfortunately, not all airports are created equal. 

Someone asked, “As an airline pilot, which airport would you choose never to land at again if you could help it?” People with flying experience shared the airstrips, airports, and even cities they absolutely hated flying into. So get comfortable, if you are on a flight, look out for your destination here, upvote your favorites, and share your thoughts in the comments section below. 

#1

35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Paro in Bhutan can accept twin engine jets, but only seven pilots in the world are certified to make the complex approach between the mountains.

Peter Rush , Md. Aminul Hassan Report

RaisedByCats
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1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've landed and taken off from Paro (as a passenger ). The scenery is stunning but everyone did hug each other after getting off the plane...

Pyla
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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can find a video of a pilot coming into this airport. It's a butt clencher.

Mike F
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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Scratch that from the bucket list.

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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There’s an airport in Pakistan like that, Skardu Airport. Kudos to the pilots able to descend in mountains like that.

Jennie P
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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have landed in this airport. It was quite exciting!

Nimitz
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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean, last time I checked, tourists had to pay something like $1000/day to enter the country so not a problem for anyone not a 1%er

RaisedByCats
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1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I went there it was for a conference and the fee was waived. It is not a country designed around external tourists. Generally if you do go there it is part of an organised visit and you are only allowed to go to designated places (I had to remain within Thimpu)

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    #2

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Not a pilot, but as a passenger, Lukla in Nepal was, as my dad says in the video, “seriously interesting”. The runway has a 12% gradient (which is a lot more than it sounds!) with a sheer drop at the bottom and a rock face at the top. I was sitting next to my dad in the front row of the Twin Otter. Luckily I hadn’t researched this airport’s legendary reputation before the trip.

    Ben Jennings , Reinhard Kraasch Report

    KinoEel
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    An airport that has been voted as the most dangerous in the world, impossible to go around with a drop of 100s of feet right before the runway. Short runway and windy too

    Hermien Greeff
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I flew into Lukla a few years ago. Read up about it beforehand, and saw all the scary videos. Hardly slept the night before. 16 seater planes. The stewardess walked around before take-off with a little bowl with cotton in it, everyone took a piece to put in their ears, the plane was extremely noisy. When we landed everyone applauded. It was all worth it because that was the gateway into heaven, the most beautiful world beyond that one scary flight. On the way out, take off was just as nerve-wracking.

    The Original Bruno
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    12% is a difficult bike ride, let alone a plane ride!

    Bob Brooce
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's why you're not allowed to fly in or out with a pedal-powered airplane. That slope means the landing has to be very different than the standard 3º glide slope but the gain or loss in speed is very useful.

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    Ixanga Cancun
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's an airport on the tiny (under 1K people) island of Saba. Its runway is widely acknowledged as the shortest commercial runway in the world, with a length of 400 m (1,312 ft). It is the only flat land on the island. I think the brakes go on before the pilot hits the runway! Saba-airpo...25ee24.jpg Saba-airport-65a86cd25ee24.jpg

    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    not to mention that there is a mountain right at the end of the runway, so it is one way in only, and out in the opposite direction, thats it. So if you screw up your approach and realize too late, too bad, you are now committed to make that landing attempt work somehow, as there is no going around option, as a touch and go would take you right into a mountain side. So nail it or it will be the final nail in your coffin.

    Joann Hart
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And houses right up on it, yeesh.

    Jake stenhouse
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve visited this airport on my way trekking to Namche Bazar, would go again in a heartbeat, such a beautiful part of the world

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    #3

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose La Guardia. Most dangerous airport in the world. With the runway configuration and the Port Authorities’ ongoing desire to stuff 10 pounds into a 5 pound bag, it is inherently dangerous when landings are interspersed with takeoffs on the crossing runway. I had a near miss in the early 90s and it left me angry and disillusioned with the process when the tower personnel defended their mistakes.

    Steve Derebey , Patrick Handrigan Report

    Adam S
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The runways cross each other AND ARE USED AT THE SAME TIME?? 😱😱 it’s probably safer than it sounds to an untrained person but this freaks me out…

    Jrog
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's quite common. Sometimes one is used for takeoff and the other for landings depending on the wind direction. Sometimes they alternate so they can leave more time for taxiing.

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    David
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know quite a few pilots and they all love LGA. However when you click on the link, his whole issues come from he flew there back in the 90s and didnt like the Terminals then (which they re-did the whole airport since then), had one bad experience with air traffic control with a 727 near collision that he blames on them. Also the cross winds, which anyone who knows the Long Island Sound knows there are strong crosswinds, and yeah, those ancient 727 couldnt handle any airports crosswinds, it is why they stopped using them. Basically its one bad personal experience, and complains 30 years ago about the airports that no longer exists since they re-did the airports, and now has one of the best ratings in the US

    Robert T
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've flown out of there. Never knew what it looked like.

    Israel Martinez
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was on an American Eagle (small American Airlines plane with a 1-2 seat setup) flight that had a loud air sound in the cabin ... it was in the clouds, but as soon as it came out of the clouds, tires hit the ground ... never miind that just before the runway starts, there's water since it's in the middle of a bay ...

    Shelli Aderman
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being a NYer who prefers to fly from LGA, I have THE utmost respect for all of the pilots who fly there!

    jmdirks
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We are only at #4 and this is the second already claiming to be the most dangerous in the world.

    Bryn
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not the most dangerous... that's Tenzing–Hillary Airport in Nepal

    ConstantlyJon
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The crossing runways don't bother me. What is terrifying is when you take off and immediately turn and realize that you got in the air just before going in the drink. As an aside, I fly into LGA in 2 days! Yippee!

    Betty Vanderhooven-SchmaaSchmaa
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a nightmare for air traffic control. I expect a serious domestic crash anyday. Employee shortages in the towers, inexperienced & overworked controllers is a recipe for disaster.

    CanadianDimes
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to mention all the other major airports in the area (JFK, Newark, Philadelphia, etc.) means the airspace around there is massively crowded!

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    While it’s not the first one to pop up here, Tribhuvan International Airport, in Kathmandu, Nepal, is widely considered one of the most dangerous in the world. Its location, in the literal Himalayan mountains, means that approaches are difficult, weather is unpredictable and the runway doesn’t have a lot of space.

    Even worse, unlike a water-based approach, where even a crash isn’t the end of the world, overshooting the runway at Kathmandu might mean going right into the face of a cliff. It perhaps doesn’t appear that much in this list, as only pilots who have passed courses on a simulator are even allowed to land. 

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    #4

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose USS Lexington - not only is it an aircraft carrier that move, pitches, rolls, heaves, has winds coming around the island causing a cross wind, and wind falling off the back end (burble) causing a suck down just before landing - it is SMALL even in aircraft carrier standards. And with hydraulic cats that kick your butt, literally.

    Chuck Hunter Report

    Alex Martin
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Highly decorated World War 2 Essex Class carrier commissioned in 1943 decommissioned in 1947. Recommissioned in 1955 after being refit to carry jets. Spent 30 years as a training carrier in Florida before being retired in 1991. Currently serving as a museum in Corpus Christi, Texas. She's lovingly cared for by a tremendous crew of volunteers and is a popular thing to do in Corpus. They host many events such as screening the movie Top Gun from the flight deck and my personal favorite, a rodeo in 2021. They moved tons of dirt, bulls, stands, and everything else needed for a rodeo up to the flight deck.

    Tammilee Truitt
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We stayed at a hotel with a close up view of that beautiful ship. Didn't board her. We'll go back soon.

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    Ell Bee
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My uncle spent many years on this aircraft carrier. The ship fulfilled its nickname as "The Blue Ghost", at least for our family. When my grandfather unexpectedly died, my uncle was out at sea and out of contact. He saw my grandfather walking toward him below deck and then disappear. He instantly knew that his father had died. He called home as soon as possible and before my grandmother could even say a word, he said he knew his Dad had passed.

    Vermonta
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of my pilots told me its like trying to land on a postage stamp

    KinoEel
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are hydraulic cats? Like catapults?

    Bob Brooce
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fun fact: unlike other runways, an aircraft carrier can move forward and in any direction it wants. That means the runway always points pretty much into the wind. Any crosswind resulting from deflection off of the island is essentially meaningless because landings happen aft of the island and takeoffs happen in front of it.

    Tammilee Truitt
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow OP landed on the Lexington. That's so cool. Glad you lived to tell the tales, especially about the cat fights lol. Thank you sincerely for your service.

    The Original Bruno
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a little stuck on that part about cats kicking your butt. Hydraulic?

    Bobby
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Catapult. The jet engine alone isn't enough to get fast enough to fly on such a short runway

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    PattyK
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uh — navy pilots are trained to cope with all of this. Also, the ship is positioned to be most advantageous for a landing. I’d give my right arm to make a carrier landing, even though I was just a passenger.

    ShellsBells
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I landed on a carrier in a COD (Carrier Onboard Delivery) plane. My ship was out to sea at the time, and that was the only way we could arrive. It was awesome! A not too shabby way to report to the ship for my first day. I also landed on it in a helicopter when most of the ship's crew got stuck on Key West due to the ship being anchored out and seas were too rough to take "liberty boats" back. I always wanted to be catapulted in a plane off the ship.

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    #5

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Here’s a situation I don’t want to repeat. I was flying into Zaragoza Air Base on a military plane, a C-21. I’d been sitting in the jump seat chatting on intercom with the pilot the whole flight. He was a neighbor back at our base. Notice there are parallel runways. We always landed on the Northern one, the military Air Base side. The Southern one was a civilian commercial airport. We’re set up for the landing with the co-pilot doing the landing. We’re coming from screen left so we see the wrong runway first. I’m looking out the windshield and notice we’re lined up for the wrong one. I ask, “Which runway are we landing?” Co-pilot responds, “12”. I ask, “12 Right or 12 Left?” At that moment we all see a large commercial plane on take-off roll heading our way on the runway we’re set to land on. Pilot says “My Plane”, flips some switches, Yells to the guys in the back, “Hold on back there!”, and puts the C-21 into max power / max climb. I didn’t even know that plane could climb that fast. We complete a missed approach /go around and the pilot lands us on the correct runway with a co-pilot still white as a ghost. Needless to say, I didn’t buy a beer for that whole mission; they were all on the co-pilot’s tab.

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    Ben
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like the pilot should have been paying better attention to where his co-pilot was flying instead of chatting with the guy on the intercom.

    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    sounds a bit wierd I will give you that. In aviation there is this concept of a "sterile cockpit" during landing and take-off. In lay man's term, that means that you don't talk about anything that is not related to the flying of the plane during those critical phases, to make sure that your focus is not diverted from what you ought to do onto something unimportant.

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    Bob Brooce
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So which one is the idiot that wasn't landing or taking off into the wind and who's the controller that gave them clearance? And why would you climb when turning is so easy?

    badger
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    no way a plane taking off would be heading for a plane on landing approach.

    Ben
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You would if they were both heading for the same runway.

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    Tammilee Truitt
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Great story. Glad you made it and got free beers.

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    #6

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose THE most difficult airport to fly in and out of is the Tenzing-Hillary airport in Lukla, Nepal. On one end is a cliff; on the other is a mountain wall. On the way, you are flying between mountains, and there are often clouds.

    Joe Balbona , Reinhard Kraasch Report

    Jrog
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While technically it's "easier" than Courchevel Altiport (same length, similar elevation, but less steep inclination), Lukla is among the most dangerous because the level of training for pilots in the area is not stellar (despite mandatory minimum standards and training for the specific airport). There have been half a dozen accidents all but one from pilot mistakes. Nepal is among the countries with the highest number of aviation incidents, mostly from lack of infrastructure and poor pilot training, to the point that Nepalese airlines are barred from flying in the western world and Nepalese certifications are not recognized.

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can you blame them? I've only seen pictures and the mere thought of having to land there gives me the cold sweats, so no wonder it made the list twice Just look at the picture, that's the landing approach...

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    Norm Gilmore
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Scarier is the fact it wasn't even paved until 2001..

    Bob Brooce
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This airport is so dangerous that it's currently listed as #3 and #7 in this list.

    MontanaMariner
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This article be called 33 airports, with the same one covered thrice.

    It doesn’t help that the runway does not have an instrument landing system, which makes landing, already one of the more difficult parts of any pilot's job, just that little bit harder. Winters in Nepal tend to have a lot of fog, so sometimes the pilot will have neither visibility nor all the instruments they might need to actually do their job. 

    #7

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Gibraltar. To stay out of Spanish airspace, you have to fly very tight around the rock. If the wind is blowing, it is incredibly turbulent... Scary.

    Raymond St Steven , Diego Delso Report

    Donna Peluda
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've walked and driven across there many times. Now they've built a tunnel at the east end of the runway so no need to wait and watch the planes land anymore. Saw Elton John there a while back and we were walking back into Spain after the concert and they shut the runway for Elton's private jet to take of, vey poetic moment. Daniel is travelin' tonight on a plane I can see the red taillights headin' for Spain......

    Raphapablap
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're walking you can watch the planes still as pedestrians still cross the runway. Motor vehicles use the tunnel.

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    Marcos Valencia
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The restriction applies only to military aircrafts. Civil airplanes are allowed to enter the Spanish. In the image, approach operations for civil (left) and military (right) aircrafts. 2418497923...936d14.jpg 24184979233_3cb8f054e4_b-65a7c3a936d14.jpg

    Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you. That was the first question that came to mind.

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    Raphapablap
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also needs to have good weather and visibility. If the cross winds are over 16 knots (I think) or visibility is less than 2 miles, planes won't land and get diverted, usually to Malaga instead.

    René Sauer
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why would you want to stay out of spanish air space?

    Red Reilly
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    wooo Gibraltar! Last time I went we got diverted into Spain as the wind was too strong, this man had a MELTDOWN when we landed as his cat was in the hold. We got off the plane fine and got our luggage so I don't know what this guys issue was, maybe the cat was poorly :( or maybe he was crazy and wanted to make a scene, he lost all sympathy when he turned round to this women and screamed at her because her baby was crying. uhhh yeah, it's probably upset that this nutjob is screaming the whole plane down about his cat. Anyway, Love Gibraltar and that airport is cute.

    Raphapablap
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How long ago was this? The old airport terminal was replaced a few years back to a big glass monster with no charm.

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    #8

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Practically almost any airport near LAX. The problem is not landing, but leaving. John Wayne is the worst. You have to climb out steeply then pull your power back and almost level off, all the while staying in a very narrow departure corridor. Frankly, if you buy a house near an airport you should expect to hear airplanes. They didn't doze down a bunch of homes to put the airport in. It was there first.

    Deborah Rowe , D Ramey Logan Report

    Nina
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So these conditions are due to noise complaints from people near the airport? Dang..

    Dorothy Reiser
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, My sister-in-law lives in Irvine and we've landed there a few times. Well to do residents require less noise around their homes so the pilots have to work around it, making it frighteningly dangerous.

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    Kelly Scott
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate it when they build houses around an airport or farm. People come to look at houses, see the airport and smell the farm, then move in and complain about both. If you don't like noise or smelly cows, don't be asshats and buy a house next to either!

    Georgia Ireland
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My maternal grandmother lived near an airport when I was younger, and much like the train tracks I live near, I learned to ignore it.

    Sans Serif
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jake: How often does the train go by? Elwood: So often that you won't even notice it.

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    Adrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    SMO (Santa Monica) is one of the oldest airports in the U.S. and was used in WWI. Since then people built houses around it and are now campaigning for it to be closed. Idiots! Don't move next to an airport if you don't want to hear planes. Where are future pilots going to train and build hours?

    Joann Hart
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where are navy pilots gonna learn to land a plane on a ship? Not on a ship. Those planes cost $$$ touch and go strips. You pay $$$ for homeowners insurance

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    Joshua Seaman
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can check out any time you like... but you can never leave! 🎶Welcome to the Hotel California...🎶

    Joann Hart
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I laugh every time these idiots complain or make an issue about the noise or whatever. Naval jet noise is the biggie here...you bought your house when? And the base has been there since 19.. get over yourself. The latest thing is airplane noise and effects on the body....THEN MOVE

    Btsquestrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I grew up in a house that was three miles south of the Ontario (California) International Airport. You get so used to hearing the planes that you automatically tune it out.

    bbfa
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am in Orange County. I hate flying out of Orange County airport because of this. The planes fly almost vertical on takeoff, and then it feels like you're sliding backwards. One time the flight attendants all started singing "we're flying over rich people" to make us laugh.

    FaceTime Audio
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Used to live close to John Wayne as a small child. The patio furniture was never clean. Flown out of there and out of LAX many times. They always pull out over the Pacific during the ascent, even when going east, before turning. Idk why.

    Zaphod
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also, they don't start the day until 7am, so there is a line of planes queued up and it is one after another after then.

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    #9

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Aspen (ASE) airport. Everything about it is frustrating. The approach requires going out of your way, and if you miss the approach it takes a bit of time to re-position for another try. Once on the ground, dealing with parking and the ground staff is frustrating, too. But, maybe that part has changed… I haven’t been to ASE in a few years. There is no such thing as landing at an unsafe airport… unless you’re a pilot with exceedingly poor judgement. If it’s truly unsafe, then you don’t land there. However, iffy procedures and trying to cram an airplane that doesn’t fit into the airport can certainly make it dangerous.

    Hachi Ko , Avitya Report

    Jrog
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whoever complains about Aspen has never seen Courchevel Altiport. Same altitude, 1/4th the runway lenght. On a slope. With a cliff on one end and a steep dive on the other. Without instrumental aids, and with minimal lighting. Pilots trained on aircraft carriers consider that a hard place to land in.

    Two_rolling_black_eyes
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not disparaging the difficulty of the landing at Courchevel but its an unfair comparison. They have different sets of planes landing at them. The largest plane ever flown into Courchlevel was 50 people - once. Most common plane landing there is the Cessna 208 Caravan with 9 passengers. The most common airplane into Aspen is the Bombadier CRJ700 with 78 seats. 28 commercial flights a day with half of them being the Bombadier. They have 737 and 727s land on occasion and are building a new terminal to better accommodate them. You need a longer runway and have a tighter window from the surrounding mountains when you have planes too big to land on an aircraft carrier. Comparing the airports is like comparing the difficulty of landing a double backflip on a BMX bike at a construction site versus a backflip on a motorcycle in a hockey rink. Both are nearly impossible but theirs ride impart different challenges.

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    Of course, landing on an aircraft carrier is still, on the whole, probably a lot harder. Yes, you might miss the runway, and yes, you might end up in the ocean. But at least water is a bit “softer” than a cliff face and there is an entire vessel nearby that will attempt a rescue. Plus, the sorts of planes that land on aircraft carriers tend to not have hundreds of passengers, so there isn’t that responsibility hovering over the pilot. 

    #10

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose I’m always alert when we operate at DCA, National Airport in Washington DC. The river visual approach isn’t particularly dangerous but any deviation gets you into restricted airspace and the consequences are embarrassing and newsworthy. I always pay a lot of attention there.

    Randy Duncan Report

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah yes. I used to fly next to restricted airspace (fighter base) and woe betide if their ATC thought you got as much as a wingtip into their airspace. Hell, we'd be flying 1km inside our own airspace and if it was a slow day for them they'd get on our frequency just to "remind" us not to stray over the line...

    Shoe
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd prefer you pay a lot of attention on every flight.

    Upstaged75
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to live right in the flight path for taking off and landing at DCA. There are noise restriction hours because it's a residential area, but you could set your clock by when the planes stop flying and when they start again. I believe it's 10pm and 7am but I would swear on my life they'd start before 6am every day!

    Sportsgal
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Military aircraft went through there 24-7. Civilian aircraft go sometimes until 11. Have lived 2 miles from there for 10 years.

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    Pferdchen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a pilot but am very familiar with DCA. It's a very short runway. It's a very busy airport. After 9/11, surface-to-air missile batteries were tracking every flight and the departure ascents became very steep. When they were building the "new" terminal, the new control tower blocked the view of the operational control tower (oops!) Although unrelated to those factors, we almost got killed there. We were in takeoff position at the end of the runway, engines revving. We start to roll but, instead of taking off, the plane makes a U-turn. That's when I saw a plane landing right where we had been seconds earlier.

    #11

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose I am not a pilot but as a long standing airline employee, I cannot believe anyone has yet to mention CR7 International Airport in Funchal, (FNC) Madeira. I visited that gorgeous paradise once. Love, love the island of Madeira, but my first experience landing there happened on rainy, foggy, mid February day in 1989 when the single runway was much shorter, less wide than it currently is. On windy days (which are most days) the aircrafts ride the currents like goshawks, balancing left and right, at times barely avoiding slamming against the flank of the mountain, or on the runway if low enough. Do this on a windy, gray, foggy day, or worst still at night, and it can be a real nightmare. With little or nill visibility, if you overshoot the runway or get hit by a downward wind spiral, you are toast. The famous crosswinds of Madeira can kill an aircraft and even on a good day, FNC can get any stone assed pilot s**ting bricks on 1st landing attempt, usually aborted.

    Delfim G. Almeida , Peter Forster Report

    Auntriarch
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can confirm landing or taking off from Madeira is exciting. Thank goodness for diazepam

    martymcmatrix
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope that wasn't a quote from the pilot's announcement...🔊 🙅🏽 🙏🏽 🧑🏽‍✈️ ✈️

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    Isabella
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They have that nice viewing terrasse, where the planes landing or taking off can be seen. I saw once a plane which could not land and he had to fly to have a second attempt. It was a wow moment, but in the scary way!

    Johanna Muukkonen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been on some of these flights. Twice we had to take a second go to land.

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    Patricia Soeiro
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely hate it. Alot of times, do to weather conditions, planes have to be diverted to mainland Portugal and then you're just stuck there until they're able to fly back to the island.

    WindySwede
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Heard (on YT??) this was the worse airport!?

    Kurt Donald
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They really decided to name it THAT

    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s named after Cristiano Ronaldo. He was born on the island.

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    The Great Observo (sees nowt)
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, got stranded there for three days because the winds prevented take off

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    #12

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Well, the Lake Tahoe Airport is pretty bad. I would never land there because there is a much safer Airport not far away which is called Douglas County Airport. Flying into Lake Tahoe is like flying into a toilet bowl. Flying out of Lake Tahoe it's like flying out of a toilet bowl. However, there may be some Pilots who like the challenge of difficult airports.

    Douglas Noble , Ken Lund Report

    KinoEel
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Personally never flown in or out of a toilet bowl but I will take your word for it

    Michael Largey
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's much like flying in or out of the Tahoe airport, believe me.

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    Adrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've done it a few times and, yeah, it's quite a challenge. Not mentioned is the elevation of 6,269' which can be almost 10K density altitude in the summer...

    Weasel Wise
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The winds the surround those mountains and the valleys make it incredibly turbulent. Same for the neighboring Reno airport. Every single time I've flown in, I get incredibly sick abd barfy.

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also, it matters very much WHAT you're trying to fly into/ out of said toilet bowl - as someone who's only ever flown light aircraft with a pitifully small takeoff and landing distance and speed (literally, stall speed was 40 kts with flaps extended) it looks absolutely trivial to land on that runway. Fully laden 737? Not so much.

    Many of the airports on this list are islands. Generally, this means an approach over water and a short runway. After all, islands, by definition, tend to not exactly have the most space in the world. This means very little room for error in both takeoff and landing, which are, as stated, generally the most risky and difficult parts of flying. So perhaps forget that next time you are traveling. 

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    #13

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose As an old (85 now) private pilot, I found both landing and taking off at the Catalina airport on Catalina Island both challenging and fun.The runway is atop a plateau, so your approach is over the water. While you are very high over the water you are much lower relative to the airport runway. Then when you take off, the runway is humped in the middle. Sitting at the end of the runway, it looks like it ends a few hundred feet in front of you due to the bow, but as you accelerate more and more runway appears as you get neat the top of the hump. You have to trust your chart for the runway length as it’s not visible from the end of the runway.

    Bob Nix , Spartan7W Report

    Donald
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've heard the Catalina Wine Mixer is a blast.

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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a pilot, but why wouldn’t you just take the ferry to Catalina? Fly in to Long Beach, ferry on over. Not unlikely that you’d see dolphins or whales that way (been twice, saw dolphins and a whale the first time. Not atypical to see dolphins just from the beach in parts of Cali), and quite possibly cheaper. I didn’t even know Catalina had a full airport, I thought it was just helicopters.

    Zaphod
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Their airport code is AVX. Also, I have caught lots of tuna and yellowtail off of Catalina.

    DrBronxx
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did you go to a wine mixer there?

    Btsquestrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Catalina Island is one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited

    Oddball
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same as the airport in Columbus Georgia. Large hump in the middle of it. Had to land a T38 there once in flight school for a mechanical issue....it was.....interesting [?]

    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always have a giggle when I hear the name Catalina, as it’s also the name of a studio that only made gay porn!

    Tammilee Truitt
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My uncle flew the hump in WWII. His parents didn't want him to fly commercial after the war so they bought him a grocery/liquor store on the edge of Lovefield in Dallas. He

    Tammilee Truitt
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    -He always had a little Cessna and flew almost everyday. His son too. We go to Fredericksburg, Tx to the airport diner a lot. It's so cool the watch people fly in for breakfast then fly out. Reminds me so much of my uncle.

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    #14

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Juneau, Alaska is pretty scary. There’s this big honkin’ mountain at the end of the runway. You land going one way and fly out going the other.

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    MontanaMariner
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    1 year ago

    Can confirm. The Dutch Harbor Airport is worse. One end of the runway ends in the Bering Sea, the other end in the North Pacific. Crazy winds and weather. PenAir pilots have balls of steel!

    #15

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Innsbruck, Austria, is in a mountain valley. It isn’t serviced by very large aircraft, but it scares the buggery out of me.

    Ben Archibald , Balázs Pinter Report

    Jrog
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Niki Lauda, the F1 pilot, got its flight certification there, and once he had his own commercial flight company (Lauda Air, now part of Ryanair) he used to practice touch-and-go with his 767s there because it was fun and difficult.

    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been flying aproach in Microsoft Flight Simulator, but as it was an IFR aproach in the fog, I had very little clue on what actually was going on. It was a simple matter of following instructions on direction and altitudes that must be kept. It was a rather complicated thing to do, and it certainly did not end with a success every time -god thing it was in a simulator.

    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Must have been fun when they held two Winter Olympics with everyone flying in then out.

    Awkward lady
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can confirm, it's rather scary as a passenger too!

    Verena
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Know it as former frequent passenger. Left it once in very, very stormy weather in the darkness, no idea why the pilot tought it was okay. Take off was in direction of the photo above, followed by a 180 degree right turn towards that massive cliff you see in the background. Big fun. I too had once the most beatiful flight ever, commuting from Munich. The pilot got some extra permission or whatever, he flew low through the mountain valleys in the midst of winter in bright sunshine

    The other, perhaps less common, category of airport on this list is one over very restricted airspace. Some list Washington DC as a great example of that, but at least one can assume the US might not be too trigger-happy. Others have stated that landing in Berlin during the Cold War was its own “special” nightmare, as it meant flying over East German airspace and hoping you don’t nudge the controls the wrong way. 

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    #16

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Of all the major airports that have existed to date, there has to be one right answer: Kai Tak Airport, specifically Runway 13, in Hong Kong. I have had too many pilot friends and friends and family mentioning the apparent nightmare landing in that airport used to be. It was apparently so difficult to land in that airport that as a pilot you needed to have a special permit to authorise you to even make the journey... and accidents still kept happening. The reason why it was so hard was basically because of the airport's surrounding terrain. A short heads up to architects of the future - please don't build your airport in the middle of a densely-populated city centre surrounded by mountains. It is generally not a good idea. That said, Hong Kong grew extremely quickly, so it was entirely possible that the original designers of Kai Tak Airport did not envision such rapid urban growth.

    Josephine Stefani , Konstantin von Wedelstaedt Report

    Gavin Johnson
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kai Tak shut in ‘98. I’m kinda proud of that fact, my Dad was on the negotiating team that signed the deal for the extension of the island that Hong Kong International Airport currently stands on, it was a huge bit of civil engineering that reclaimed a huge chunk of sea that they built the airport on. My Dad spent time in Hong Kong and Japan working with the civil engineers there and ironing out a LOT of red tape issues and legal eagle stuff that was required to get the project over the line. He travelled from the U.K. (as he worked for a British Civil Engineering Company) to work out there, we as a family got to hitch a ride to Japan and Hong Kong a couple of times and loved it. Can’t say enough nice things about the people we met there, it was both an eye opening experience and a joy. Wish he hadn’t retired, those trips to foreign lands were superb 😀

    Sue Bradley
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My family lived there many years ago, there is a market right under the flight path - Stinkies market!! You could nearly put a hand out the plane & buy something !!! And the take off/landing not for the faint hearted:/

    Elaine Wong
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was scrolling the list looking for Kai Tak because I knew it had to be on here. I still remember how the buildings felt like they were within touching distance during landing

    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was wondering why Kai Tak was not in here, but here it comes. Really fun one, where you fly very low right over some tall buildings, and can only do a very short final due to mountains, which gives you very little time to make sure things stable and set up correctly.

    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I flew into here once. As a passenger it’s scary to see the mountains and the buildings go by. I remember being able to see someone rushing their teeth as we were landing.

    howdylee
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Architects don't pick the site of an airport. There are much higher authorities dictating that bit of info.

    Hippopotamuses
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh yes. This one was beyond terrifying!

    Mary Kelly
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it's scary AF for passengers...like landing on second avenue...flying by people's apartment windows!

    BeaBea
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Envisioned or not, the city had a perfect opportunity to control what is built around an existing airport

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    #17

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Alton Bay in January/February. It’s the only FAA authorized ice-runway in the lower 48 states. You’re landing on a frozen lake and trying to steer and slow to a stop in an airplane, which is already difficult to maneuver on the ground, let alone adding in the complexities of doing it on ice.

    Tony Romero , Doodybutch Report

    Nina
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can imagine that makes the job a bit more interesting. Landing on a runway made of ice..

    Kelly Scott
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ice road truckers have been one-upped!

    Vermonta
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pilots love a bit of a challenge.

    #18

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Have you guys ever heard of Santos Dumont Airport in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) or Congonhas Airport in São Paulo (Brazil)? Not a pilot but I HATE those places. Landings and take-offs are just terrifying. In São Paulo you can actually see people in their couches watching TV inside the apartments of tall buildings that surrounds the airport. In Rio, one mistake and your airplane will take a swim like the pic below (and you can stay at the very end of the 2 runaways while aircrafts come and go… that’s amazing)

    Glaucio Lima Report

    Hilary Gilbertson
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Santos Dumont is quite scary for passengers, too.

    Ricardo
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Santos Dumont is the most beautiful airport in the world.

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    Rafael
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How come this one is so low in this list, that place is scary, and it was in Mythbusters TWICE - once as a busted myth that a jet could turn a car, and again shortly after to prove them wrong, since it happened there in real life!

    BrownTabby
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They mentioned Congonhas on Air Crash Investigation. Apparently it’s notorious in the industry too.

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    #19

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Skiathos in Greece. It's a short runway with nothing but the Aegean at both ends and hills on both sides. And it's inclined, although slightly.

    Jonathan Fenech , Timo Breidenstein Report

    Robert T
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not only that, but the runway used to be too short to allow a fully fuelled aircraft (commercial passenger jets) to take off. They used to have to fly to Thessalonika and refuel there. Remember doing that when returning to the UK as a child. Oh, and they refuelled the plane with the passengers still on it, and you had to be ready for an emergency evacuation, so you had to remain seated with everything stowed. Seem to remember they couldn't run the aircon either, so it was hot as well.

    AnnaRachelle
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can confirm! The runway is short and only certain pilots can land there,or so I was told. You have to brace yourself as the plane lands as the pilot basically brakes as he/she lands on the runway

    Poppy
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's the same deal at Corfu airport too.

    Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I flocked there with other tourists to have the engines powerpeel our faces with sand at takeoff. Also being able to almost touch a landing planes belly was cool.

    #20

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose My least favorite is Narita’s New Tokyo International Airport. Not because of terrain, or runway lengths, but because of the frequent, dangerous, unstable 'wind events.' Winds of 50–80+ knots suddenly come out of nowhere, and they can wreak havoc with landing aircraft. Diverts to nearby airports happen often, because of dangerous wind conditions.

    Steve Bazer , Marufish Report

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At the airclub where I used to fly there was sometimes a pretty nasty downdraft on the landing approach. I only experienced it once and it was a pretty white-knuckling experience having to extend the flaps fully, retract the airbrake and hope you're making the end of the runway (sailplaine, so no engine for a go-around), but one year when I wasn't flying one woman who was visiting from another airclub didn't know about it and got seriously injured (broke both her legs) when she made the runway but too low and with too much vertical velocity, so the landing gear collapsed and crushed the front of the cockpit.

    Jon Steensen
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do you extend the flaps fully in a downdraft? Won't that bring you into landingflaps, which will reduce the glide ratio much and make it harder to reach the airport? I've always been told that you only set landing flaps, when you are absolutely sure you can reach the airfield, and not before that, as they also kind of works as an airbrake. Sisteron can also be a quite fun one, as it is basically going north/south and is in a valey going in the same direction. The issue is that there is a large drop just north of the runway and as the valey tend to redirect the flow of the wind so it runs parallel to it, it means that the wind tends deflect up that incline when it comes from the north. However what goes up must come down, so the flow forms a "bump" with a length about the same as the airfield, which causes a serious downdraft at the final when you are aproaching from the south, which has taken many pilots by surprice. Therefore you're briefed to come in high in that situation.

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    DrBronxx
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a pilot, but living in Japan, I have used Narita many many times, and I've never had any flights diverted, or even delayed. I suppose I'm just lucky, or the wind problems are ones that are compensated for by great pilots and don't make it as far as the passengers.

    Mama Penguin
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not a pilot, just a passenger. I guess I must be lucky 😅 The past few times I've flown in and out of Narita have been smooth.

    Stannous Flouride
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Glad I learned this three months after I flew in and out of Narita.

    Dorothy Reiser
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, Narita wasn't even built when I left Japan for good in 1973.

    FaceTime Audio
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just found the Narita terminal I was in kind of strange. Not many shops or people the way other airports I’ve been to have.

    The Original Bruno
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    On a flight I was on: PIlot:"Get comfortable. There are strong sheer winds on the ground in [xxxx]. We'll be circiling for a few hours. But don't worry, we've got plenty of fuel and if we need to, we can divert to [yyyy]." Five minutes later: "We'll be landing briefly in [xxxx], so please remain buckled in, put your tray in the upright position, [yadda yadda]" 30 seconds later, apparently after considering the effect of his two previous messages: "Don't worry folks, I used to do this 'nam all the time, just with a much smaller plane."

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    #21

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose JFK. Being delayed is normal. Being number 29 for takeoff is normal. Having slot times is normal. In short, the New Yorks are a hassle.

    Raymond St Steven , Rickmouser45 Report

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was at JFK once as a passenger. We had flown in from Paris and had a connection to Atlanta, but the plane just parked on the apron and sat there instead of going to a gate, because of a delayed Delta flight which was still at the gate we were assigned to. So instead they got some airstairs and all of us who had connections got out onto the runway and were then escorted (by guards armed with MP-5s, since this was shortly after 9/11!) through the maintenance tunnels and out through a hidden door into the terminal, where we rejoined the normal passenger areas. It was utterly surreal and somehow even our luggage made it onto the connecting flight.

    Kelly Scott
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Trust me, the only time your baggage doesn't get lost and makes it to its destination is the one time you miss that connection.

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    Jrog
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    JFK takes pride in being difficult to navigate. Ok, it's a huge airport, in a crowded airspace, with two other major airports close by and a mind-boggling quantity of traffic. That said, a part of the difficulty is from unwillingness to fix endemic issues like ATC's brash approach, chaotic ground movement (by both planes, tugs and service vehicles) and way, way too close scheduled slots with no spare time to fix anything when issues arise. Pair that with neglected infrastructure, badly implemented upgrades in the 90s and 2000s and some cultural quirks, and that's why most pilots and passengers hate flying to/from JFK.

    Lucy Reeves
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked for a short time as a ground controller here and I have never had to battle as hard with ramp and tugs than I did here. A lot of pilots seemed resigned to having to wait for everything due to delays. Some of the pilots had terrible English levels, mainly the Asian carriers.

    Mama Penguin
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was on a long non-stop flight from JFK to Hong Kong several years ago. As it was a midnight flight, I fell asleep soon after the plane pushed back and made its way for takeoff. I woke up a little more than an hour later and I thought it was an unusually smooth and quiet flight. Turns out the plane was still queueing for takeoff.

    Alhara
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've slept for hours waiting to take off from JFK and woken to find we're still sitting. (As a passenger, not the pilot!)

    CanadianDimes
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I lived in NJ for a while, and when I'd fly to Toronto, it would be a 2-hour travel window but a 1-hour flight. The other hour was built in for the inevitable departure delays.

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    #22

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Hazrat Shahjalal International Airport, in Dhaka, Bangladesh is far by the worst place I have ever landed on. I really do not know where to start. When you are in Dhaka, you keep your eyes and ears open. Most of the airport vehicle operators are highly incompetent. They are under trained and do long duty hours. A few months back, a flap fairing of one of our A320s was torn off by a high loader. I had a close call as well. Got almost hit by a reversing baggage loader while I was doing the walk around. The air traffic control is also terrible. I do not know whether it is the fault of the controllers or the equipment they are using. There is usually one controller controlling the entire air space, and when it gets busy things go haywire. Particularly, the handover from Dhaka FIR to Kolkata FIR is horrible. We have to keep the Dhaka frequency on one of the radios and the other radio tuned to Kolkata frequency. It is a two pilots job. One pilot listens to Kolkata and the other listens to the Dhaka. And mind you, these are busy air spaces. There is no silence even for a minute. And the worst part is weather deviation requests. Dhaka is known for its tropical storms. You might have to ask them twice or even three times for a deviation. And the time they come on they might say ‘standby.’ They have no clue of the intensity of the situation.

    Anas Maaz , Titu Oheduzzaman Report

    KinoEel
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like bad management but then I know nothing about airport management

    Mia Hamsa
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The business lounge is pretty cr4p too :P ;)

    cugel.
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how many near misses are caused by non-native speakers' English being not quite there.

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    #23

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Years ago I remember a “60-Minutes” news program about the San Diego Airport. Something about a tall building in the way. I just checked, and it’s still there.

    Michael Kitmura Report

    JayWantsACat
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was going to mention this, as San Diego is my hometown and made this landing plenty of times. You come in over the city as you're landing and you get pretty low to some hills and buildings but you can't be too low because right before the landing strip is a multi-story parking garage (shown in the picture). So you almost skim that then have to drop down kind of steeply to make sure you get down onto the runway. It's a little sketchy but the views coming in are pretty nice. And the airport is right on the bay so you get to see the water and everything.

    Javelina Poppers
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I remember that and how it gave the 747 pilots the heebie jeebies because they sit so far above their landing gear.

    Oddball
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    BT:DT....You have to do a "slam dunk" there. Steep descent to the airport on final, level off, then another steep descent to the runway. I would imagine that its a real PITA for large planes and a wild ride for passengers.

    Just me, myself, and I
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's a parking structure. But it was still a scary landing previously because you approach over a relatively low hill, but lots of buildings. It truly is a steep drop to land!

    Adrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yikes! Haven't seen it from that perspective before!

    JayWantsACat
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can get to the top level of that garage and watch the planes get super close as they fly over.

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    #24

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Los Angeles International. It’s not a bad airport to land in, but you have so many restrictions and airspace overlaps that it is just stressful to land there. I’m just glad we have to be on a flight plan with instructions from ATC when we do have to land there.

    Paul Myers , Agarre16 Report

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    #25

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Telluride comes to mind. It’s a box canyon tilted 3 degrees with a huge sagging area in the middle of the runway.

    Edward Van Spurgeon , Jeffrey Beall Report

    Maisey Myles
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s scary for passengers, too

    Zaphod
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love to camp at Alta Lakes above Telluride.

    Dawn Bodtke
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And depending on the temperature, a planes can't achieve enough lift for take off. Thus the nickname Ta HeLL U Ride

    #26

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Akureyri, Iceland. It’s located at sea level down in a fjord that curves, meaning in the days before GPS approaches, you had a choice of either a) flying an approach that stopped above the rim of the fjord, or b) receiving radar instructions throughout your descent to the airport. Under actual instrument conditions, flying down through clouds trusting purely on controller guidance was always unnerving. Iceland has a sterling domestic safety record, so there never was any worry on that score. However, if you’d ever been there before in good weather and seen just how narrow portions of the approach path actually were, a few palpitations were forgivable.

    Tom Farrier , Bjarki Sigursveinsson Report

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    #27

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose The ones that are supposed to be the hardest are the most fun. There’s nothing interesting about getting lined up 10 miles out on a radar vector straight-in approach to a 10,000 runway. THE FUN ONES Luckily I spent most of my career flying the Eastern Shuttle between Washington National (DCA) and NY La Guardia (LGA). Those two airports have probably the most interesting and challenging approaches in the country. It was a fun way to be an airline pilot—and I slept at home every night. At National, for example, we would be in a descending turn until about 200-300 feet above the runway. We liked to point out that if we made that exact approach to any other airport, we would get reported to the FAA by the tower and our licenses would be suspended for a while. Landing on Runway 33 at DCA—which was rare to get—was so much fun I couldn’t believe it was legal to do that in a jet with paying passengers on board. People who rode through that approach in window seats have stopped by the cockpit on the way out and—still a little breathless from thinking they were about to die—say they thought we were ditching in the Potomac River until about the last two seconds when the runway suddenly appeared below. It was so much fun. San Diego Lindbergh (SAN) is a close third. If we flew that low over houses anywhere else in the country, we’d definitely be violated, fired, and our licenses would have been revoked rather than just suspended—but it’s the norm at SAN. SO, WHICH WOULD I NEVER LAND AT AGAIN IF I COULD HELP IT? Every airport with wide, parallel 10,000+ runways with long straight approaches. It’s hard enough to stay awake while cruising at altitude on autopilot—the last thing I need is to fall asleep on a long, droning approach on autopilot.

    Ron Wagner , Duane Lempke Report

    Wingsofwrath
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Love it how all three DCA, LGA and SAN made it onto this list multiple times but here they're classed as "fun". XD

    Donald
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Very well could be a retired Navy pilot. After a few thousand carrier landings I suppose you need something challenging to get you out of bed in the morning.

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    Upstaged75
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can confirm runway 33 is terrifying if you don't know that it's coming up! You fly straight down the river and it doesn't appear until the last second before you land. If you're a bit short you'll end up in the Potomac!

    Oddball
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    [People from Air Florida]...-" Too soon!"

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    Dorothy Reiser
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I loved the Eastern Shuttle. No plan, no reservation, get on, buy ticket.

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    #28

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose I fly ATR 42 and 72. I have never hated any of the airports I have landed on, but some require more attention than others. Here is my personal list: Sandane, Norway: This is a 800 meters long runway squeezed between fjords and mountains. The approach to either runway takes you very close to near vertical mountain sides, and the turbulence can be bad. I have only landed there in nice weather with a light aircraft. Florø, Norway: Before 2001 was the runway 800 meters long and had a 5.4 degrees steep approach slope. (Today is the runway 1200 meters.) The airport has mountains in close vicinity. One of the runways do not have straight-in approach, so you have to fly a circling approach. After a landing at late night in rain and strong wind is it hard to sleep because the adrenalin is still flowing in your veins. Caticlan/Boracay, Philippines: The runway is 900 meters long, and the apron is very small. You have to taxi in and out with just centimeters clearance to other aircraft parked on the apron. And the apron is full of passengers walking to and from the aircraft. Catarman, Philippines: The airport splits the town in two, and people are used to cross the runway where it is most convenient. After all, there’s just a few aircraft movements a day. I have seen kids running on the runway in front of me. Manila, Philippines: The airport has two runways, and they cross each other. Two times have I been given clearance to take-off and then been ordered to stop because of crossing traffic. The quality of the radio equipment used by ATC is questionable, and sometimes can you hardly understand what they say. And there’s too much traffic on the frequency, making it hard to send your message. At one occasion did ATC forget me after take-off, and I ended up on a collision course with a mountain. At another occasion did the use of non-standard phraseology cause conflict with other traffic.

    Magnar Nordal , Algkalv Report

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    #29

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose It’s not the worst in the world by far. But Lindbergh Field, the international airport in San Diego in Southern California (designation: SAN) is one that will make sure that the pilots stay awake on final approach. We’ve got hills 200 feet high within a mile of both ends of the one and only runway with no possibility of aligning it any differently.

    Peter Kosen , The infamousx Report

    BlueBlazer999
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn’t know this airport was so dangerous. It looks like from a passenger perspective that there’s a good path through the city to reach it. I guess not.

    JayWantsACat
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not that dangerous it's just kind of sketchy because of how low you are to the buildings, with a multi-story parking garage to avoid right before the runway. Taking off isn't that bad but there are hills to avoid and, to me, it always feels like the pilots are pulling straight to avoid them.

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    Nicole Johnson
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a restaurant named Mr. A's that is eye level with the planes landing. It is so beautiful to watch the scenery.

    #30

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Hanada, Japan is a procedural headache, at least compared to Narita. Kaului, Maui can be a pain. The runway is on the shorter side at 7000 ft and it's not unusual for the winds to be reported something like “280 variable 030 degrees ,15 gusting 25 kts” , lots of fun. Pendleton, Oregon has a runway with a significant dip which can play heck with a smooth landing if you land long on the upslope Just some of the ones that come to mind.

    Brad Weisenheimer , MaedaAkihiko Report

    Mama Penguin
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was on a flight to Kahului 8 years back. It was raining pretty badly. The poor pillow that I was clutching lol.

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    Dorothy Reiser
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Haneda means literally a field of wings.

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    #31

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose South Lake Tahoe Airport, CA. If you’re attempting to land and have to make a missed approach or taking off heading south (view is to the south) you’ll obviously have to do some serious climbing to avoid running into the nearby mountains. I was the nav on a C-141 that made a touch-and-go in just this direction, and the pilot was not anticipating the elevation increasing so rapidly, so I had to give him some very quick vectoring to make it out safely. Although not too obvious from this view, there is a sort-of valley that can be followed that makes it much easier than simply climbing right over the dead-ahead peak. We were there because we had flown a Local out of Travis AFB and had completed all the requirements for that day with flight time left over (we had to log 4.0 hrs), so the A/C said, “Let’s go to Tahoe!”.

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    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently flying in and out of here, is like flying in and out of a toilet bowl. So I’ve been told.

    Adrian
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Plus the density altitude...

    Kim Kermes
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I lived in Reno, a larger jet than should have been landing at Tahoe got trapped by heat. It may have had to leave without passengers. My memory sucks.

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    #32

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Several pilots I know have told me that in the US, Yeager Airport, Charleston, West Virginia, is one of the hardest. It is a very short runway tucked away on a flattened mountain top. Having flown in as a passenger a number of times, this is the one where the pilots attempt to decelerate the fastest (faster than Midway is how it felt to me). The weather can also be a bit tricky here I would think as well.

    Matt Swanson , Civilengtiger Report

    Kayci Styles
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was waiting to see if this was going to make the list. I have flown in and out of here a lot and it's horrible!

    Sportsgal
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was waiting to see this one too. You have to hold on when the reverse thrusters hit. Bumpy landings, and don't get me started in snowy/icy conditions. You feel like you're going to slide off the mountain! From WV, BTW! 🙂

    Rocco MZ
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to go to Charleston for work a few times a year and the landing always freaked me out. Flying in on a mountain top is a trip! And when flying out, it's the same. You can't travel to this airport if you have a week stomach.

    Pamela Carter
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've flown out of WV and it is a white knuckle deal all the way.

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    #33

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose Recently it’s Burbank because we land there at close to max landing weight sometimes and we have to go below the GS, hit the 1,000-foot mark, and lock up the brakes... It’s got mountains around it, lots of traffic, and many times they don’t clear us to land until a couple miles out, and I have to figure out what the tailwind is really quick.

    Kurt Kaalaas , Natecation Report

    FaceTime Audio
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Burbank is usually a very calm passenger experience. Only two terminals, few if any international flights, quick security, fairly clean. There isn’t a jetway, so you stair onto the plane, which is nice because you can disembark from the front and back (much quicker).

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    #34

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose LaGuardia aka LaGarbage. It’s awful. The nickname says it all. Newark, also not the most pleasant airport to fly in to. I spent 4 hours taxiing there. Well, we left the gate, came back to the gate for more fuel after 90 minutes, after fuel and additional supplies, we taxied back out, only to have the airport turn around. It was miserable. The captain I was flying with said that is fairly common. Chicago O’Hare is one of my least favorites. It’s laid out terribly. I personally hate flying in the Aspen, Colorado. The approach is complicated, and often times you have to fly a holding pattern because traffic is one way in, one way out. While I wasn’t flying for an airline, the Moscow, Russia airports are not fun. Those are the only ones that stick out for me.

    Nathan Burns , National Aeronautics and Space Administration Report

    ConstantlyJon
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pictured is O'hare, btw. Very distinctive for those who know airports.

    Mama Penguin
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Out of all the domestic airports I've been to, as a passenger, La Guardia is one of the scarier ones because of windy conditions.

    Nimues Child
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since the picture is not any of those airports (h/t to The Original Bruno), can someone tell me what airport is in the picture? What a difficult layout to navigate!

    ConstantlyJon
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is actually O'hare in Chicago, which was mentioned briefly, specifically with the layout.

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    Mary Kelly
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    don't know about flying into o'hare as a pilot, but walking through the airport is a nightmare...get more moveable walkways!

    The Original Bruno
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That picture is of none of those airports. LaGuardia, Newark and O'Hare are all on the shoreline, and Aspen is tiny.

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    #35

    35 Airports Pilots Would Rather Never Land In If They Could Choose I’m not an airline pilot but since getting my licence ( earned at a 200 x 7000 ft runway ) I’ve made an effort to expand my horizons, shorter, narrower strips, some not even paved. Been to grass, gravel, & sand. The challenging strips are by far the most interesting. If I had to choose, I’d lose the 7000 x 200…….. I’ve done some aerobatics ( about 8 hrs so far ) - that is awesome flying ! ( more to come, for sure )

    Allen Crandall , Adrian Pingstone Report

    Chewie Baron
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    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks like their flying in to Heathrow in the picture.

    ShellsBells
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Heathrow is a horrible airport to fly into as a passenger. My mom always had us fly into Gatwick. I never really believed her on how bad it was. As an adult I flew to Bahrain, and I had a layover and airline change at Heathrow. On that day I understood why my mom hated it so much.

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    Laura Williams
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dad was in navy. Stationed in Norfolk I remember thinking if I climbed on the roof of the apartment I could touch the bottom of the planes. Use to rattle the apartment so bad we had to hold cabinet doors closed. LOL.

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