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Laws are there for a reason, and it’s likely safe to assume that without them, chaos would ensue. However, while some rules are there to stop crime and wrongdoing against people, others seem to regulate situations where no one’s actually a victim.

The ‘Ask Reddit’ community members recently discussed what is or feels like a victimless crime. They shared their thoughts after the user u/secondfiddle00 started the thread, which covered everything from dumpster diving to collecting rainwater. Scroll down to find more of redditors' answers on the list below.

#1

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes As an ER nurse, I give a lot of s**t away to patients against the rules or advise them where they can get it cheaper. Big hospitals have more money than God, but want me to send you home with 1or2 wound supplies for a wound that will take 4 weeks to heal. F**k that. Here's a box of 50 for your purse. I never gave that to you. Hey, you need crutches, and here they are, but first. Before you sign that you got these. These crutches are $1000. The same or better are on Amazon for $50 or less. I'm not telling you how to live your life, but I can offer you a free wheelchair ride out to your sons car...

You could argue that the hospital is the victim here. I'm telling you that the hospital gets a discount on supplies and marks them up 1000% to sell to those going through an emergency. Who's really the victim?

Edit:

Appreciate all the support! Don't take this the wrong way, but I hope I never have the pleasure of taking care of any of you. Stay healthy people and keep living your life to the best you can.

To those saying I could get fired for this. I appreciate the concern. I can almost guarantee I will one day be fired for this. It's worth it to me. I will get another job in a different ER and continue my work.

Regarding the people saying I'm contributing to the problem. The problem is in the USA Healthcare model. Everything from insurance to CEOs. If my treatment and proper care of the individual is contributing to the problem, frankly, I don't think I care tbh. I will continue.

Lastly. Various arguments have been made to if this is a victimless crime or not. I don't disagree with some, but it's the closest thing I have to answer the question. Apologies if it doesn't 100% fit.

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Panda Kicki
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am starting to get at feeling this list should be marked "illegal in the US".

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TonyTee
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This nurse oughta have a spot in our Government, the healthcare system needs more people like this

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Tee Rat
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8 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I brought my own epilepsy meds to the hospital. The doctor asked me why and I told her because the hospital charges a ridiculous amount of money for everything. She just kind of laughed and said she couldn't disagree with me. The pharmacist has to check them out before they'll allow them to be used in the hospital, for insurance purposes of course. Can't have the ones robbing you getting sued.

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Dasha
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Medication should be payed for by the government. My epilepsy medication is paid by the government hospitals should not be there to make money

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Monday
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our local pharmacist is like this. If he sees doc has prescribed some brand name med he'll tell you about the cheaper generic version and let you choose. If you're on a good medical aid you take the brand name, if not you go for generic.

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Huddo's sister
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In Australia all our chemists offer this. Then again, we have a pharmaceutical benefits scheme to make our prescriptions $7 if we have a healthcare card and $30 if we don't, for most medications.

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AnnaB
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And ALWAYS demand an ITEMIZED bill from the hospital. When they know you'll be scrutinizing what they're billing, it's pretty much guaranteed that they'll lower the total amount due.

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Steph
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why has BP become such a platform for US problems??? 😓 this was supposed to be a wholesome, worldwide site for art, love, fun and humour. It’s getting worse every day…😢

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Jenny Fors
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm an RN, lived and worked in the US for many years. Back home in the "Nordics", still an RN. My patients going home gets wheelchairs, walkers, oxygenators and so on for free.

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Lee Henderson
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was the maintenance super in a nursing home in the late 1980s. Whatever I needed, whether it was a replacement outlet or switch, was 5 times as expensive if it said "medical grade".

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Nonesuch
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Retired nurse here, worked in ER 6 years. Often gave patients supplies, especially dressings for wound care, at time of discharge. Took care of many who had no health insurance and couldn't afford necessary supplies.

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Anony Mouse
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again it's a backdoor way to say America sucks. I imagine one of the next ones on the list will be "It's not illegal to peer at someone through a bathroom stall gap."

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zena bena
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good for you healthcare should be a human right not a way to line pockets of ceos and administrators.hmm crutches for someone who really needs them ir another beach house for Biff,f that.

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Beachbum
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Healthcare in the US is a joke. I had a sever high ankle sprain, and needed a boot. I saw what the doctor chaeged, then saw a price on Amazon, and I was pissed!

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Captain Awesome
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I blatantly ask these questions. Until my out of pocket is met, then ef it, gimme the 1k crutches

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Malfar
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Would be very much a crime in Ukraine and Russia,where many hospitals a Tually lack the bare necessary stuff and require patients to buy it elsewhere.

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scotty
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I certainly think that insurance is a scheme to defraud people of affordable healthcare. Universal health insurance would only be more expensive as insurance is a for profit model. An so they will want to tell you, rather than the physician, what care you will get.

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LizzieBoredom
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I want to know why hospital food always tastes like soap. You never see anyone who works at the hospital eat patient food.

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Dixie Girl
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After hearing how it takes weeks or months to get a pathology report back in the UK I'll take my expensive healthcare here in the US.

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Tamra
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh, I don't know. I've been waiting six months to see an ear, nose and throat specialist for sudden hearing loss in my ear. My husband had to wait ONE YEAR for an appointment with a dermatologist to find out if he had skin cancer or not. This is in the US.

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Huddo's sister
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In theory this sounds okay, but during Covid there were multiple cases of patients taking supplies themselves when they went to the hospital and stock got very low, so some staff had to re-use masks etc.

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IamMe
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yup. If anyone in your family ever needs crutches, keep those bad boys. Chances are, eventually someone else will need them at some point.

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Peta Warren
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Long standing applause - you are a nurse for allllllll the right reasons

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Nikki Angulo
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, in Canada I think I paid $25 for a pair of crutches about 7 years ago.

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E Talavera
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even if it is a crime she's doing what her heart dictates. Also I could not afford a $1000 for crutches. I appreciate her telling me where to get them cheaper. And yes, I would appreciate anything she can do for me. So unless you've been strapped for cash. And have stayed home because you can't afford medical service. Rethink what you're going to say?

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Valek Fermiga
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not heroes wear capes, in fact, most heroes are nurses. You are such an amazing human being. it's not about if it's " theft " or not, it's about you doing something to help people who are are struggling to pay for things in a country where free healthcare should exist, but doesn't.

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Lara Verne
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crutches for $1000?'? Bro this system is completely f****d up.

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Jayjay
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the Netherlands you are required to bring all you meds and aid supplies with you to the hospital because it is too expensive for the hospital to give them to you. If you don't bring your own, you are not going to get it during your stay there. (You will get the cheapest meds if necessary, but you can be charged for it apart from the bill that is sent to your insurance company). And if you need anything additional, you have to request your GP for sending it to you (and find someone who is going to get it for you at the pharmacy :)). Many people think that health care in the Netherlands is great, however, it has been on a slopey hill downwards for many years now due to the market system in the health care. And it is reaching flat bottom nowadays where people are being sent home with legitimate health scares because the hospitals have no place for them (due to money issues only).

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Raelene Christie
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Former nurse here and we've all done it especially I'd you have a patient you know will never be able to play the prescription charge and will not be able to get their meds. Although I'm the UK kids and young people still in education have free prescription . I've seen Mum's having to bring their little ones to A and E because they can't afford to feed their kids and buy over the counter meds. I'm the old days these items could be prescribed but now over the counter meds are not permitted to be prescribed. It is such a shame ,the NHS is a life saver and politicians are destroying it .

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Taff Thomas
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Neatly illustrates the difference between the US money making health industry, and what the civilised world has.

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Black Rabbit
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The sentiment is nice, but it’s illegal because it’s theft and you can be fired and/or prosecuted for it.

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That mark up, while outrageous, still isn't making a profit for the hospital. Handing out 50 of an item will get written off as stolen but enough of it will lead to an investigation. In 2022 US hospitals were facing billions in losses despite their fees.

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Rostit .
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

hospitals are not for making profits! Mistake one. Mistake two, you have no idea what will lead to an investigation.

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#2

Assisted s*****e. As long as it’s humane, the person is of right mind and age, and there is sufficient cause for such a procedure. Death with dignity has been withheld for too long as a civil society.

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Cat Palmer
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Totally agree it should be legalised (under strict controls, obviously). Refusing a humane end to a suffering animal is rightly considered cruelty, so why do humans not get that same mercy when they need it?

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#3

Anything related to food stamps. I’m sorry but food insecurity is not ok for anyone to go through. I don’t care about fudging the numbers to get food assistance. I don’t care about people who sell their food stamps (I know, it’s cards now, but you know what I mean). If you’re desperate enough to use fraud to get food or you’re selling your free food access to someone else who needs it because you need the money for bills, I’m ok with it.

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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My food stamps were cut in half in March. Now I get $126 for the entire month. My SSI is $1200. Like many other people in this country, I can only afford one meal a day. Rather ironic, as I'm morbidly obese.

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#4

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Feeding the homeless in Texas. No victims but it is a crime.

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#6

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Sleeping in your car when you are too drunk and can't drive.

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Bart
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where is this a crime? In Switzerland you can't be in the drivers seat but otherwise no problem...

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#7

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Giving water to voters in lines in GA

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#8

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes I see Jaywalking on this quite a but but I will say when I lived overseas, jaywalking even at 2 am on an empty street just didn't happen. When I asked a local (German) why he wouldn't cross against a no walking sign he said "what if a kid looked out the window and saw me, i don't want to set a bad example"

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Bailey
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Varies from country to country. In the UK jaywalking is not a thing, people walk on or cross roads wherever they want, it's just their responsibility to check for traffic first before stepping out

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#9

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Saving migrants from drowning

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#10

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Putting coins in someone else's parking meter.

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James016
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have given away so many parking tickets that have time left on them. Where I live you can get 30 mins to 1hr free depending on the car park/street

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Clicking "I am 18 years old" on an adult website when you're 17

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#12

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Downloading very old games that are no longer available for sale.

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Corvus
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this should not only be legal, but actually *encouraged* - it helps preserve old software, prevents it from being lost to history.

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#13

“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Picking up a bird feather found on the ground and keeping it. It's technically against the migratory bird laws.

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Two_rolling_black_eyes
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Entire species were hunted to extinction (Arabian Ostrich) or near extinction (bald eagle) for their feathers. They had to make possession illegal because its way too easy to shoot a bird 1/2 mile from the nearest road and then claim you found the feathers on the ground.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Setting up a lemonade stand without a vendor license

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Marco Richter
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Is your lemonade made out of actual lemonade?" - "Are your scout cookies made out of actual scouts?"

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#16

Prostitution. Ain't nobody's business if two more more consenting adults conduct a financial deal that involves bodily fluids.

That's not to say that cheating, withholding health problems, and sex trafficking aren't victimless, but those aren't just merely prostitution.

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PattyK
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Prostitution should be legalized and taxed, just like any other business.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Hanging a clothesline, collecting rainwater, or planting a garden in your yard. Some places ban you from doing these things

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Eating food out of someones garbage.

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Sue Denham
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The crime here is that there was food thrown out that could have been passed on to someone who needs it.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Being gay in a homophobic country

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J Adams
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Worth noting that being gay in ‘most’ countries was still illegal well into the 1900’s, from memory I think it was decriminalised as late as 1996 in Germany. So to my mind we shouldn’t be pointing fingers at developing countries for their ideas, religions and beliefs because we are only talking between what 25-75 years ago when ‘we’ held similar ideas.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Dumpster diving.

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sbj
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see nothing wrong with this, we throw too much ok stuff away

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Wearing a dress as a man in Tennessee.

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Sue Denham
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's clothing. It's there to keep you covered and protect you from the elements. What shape it comes in should be completely up to the wearer.

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#22

I can take a seed at home, put rain water on it and expose it to sunlight, dry the flowers, bake them into a cake and make some THC edibles, and it doesn't even harm the air quality due to smoking. That's a crime. No money goes to criminal gangs, and I would risk losing my job and going to prison.

Or I can manufacture alcohol and sell it legally, knowing that it causes people health issues, and that others cause crimes when drunk and disorderly, and that's absolutely fine and not a crime.

Weird.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Hanging out in a public park after hours

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Selling alcohol on Sunday. It's still illegal in some States.

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#25

Being an atheist in many many countries

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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If being in a religion is okay, then not being in one should be too. Forcing people into a religion tends to have the opposite effect…

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Stealing from a multi billion corporation

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes TONS of blue laws.

basically antiquated laws on the books that have to do with religion (mostly on sundays). In my state you can't buy alcohol on sunday before noon. And car dealers are not allowed to be open on sunday. Basically they are designed to not compete with church attending times like early morning.

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8 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We have a certain religion here where I live that don't work on Sunday's. But of course they will go to church then go out for brunch afterward and make other people work even though they HIGHLY judge people who work on Sunday. I work in Healthcare there are no days off. My friends say "I better not treat them if they come in on Sunday lest I will be judged." Of course she was being sarcastic.

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#29

When cops pretend to be kids and get people for solicitation to a minor. When I worked at the district attorneys office we LOVED these. The shock on these men’s face when the “14 year old girl” they spoke to was our 6’5”, 300 pound 50 year old detective was just….amazing.

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PattyK
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t quite understand this one. Is OP saying it SHOULD be a crime when cops go undercover?

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Speeding If traffic is all going above the speed limit. the safest speed is not the speed limit. The safest speed is the speed at which traffic is moving. speeding doesn't inherently cause accidents. differential in speed causes accidents.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Jaywalking when there are no cars on the road.

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#32

Loitering. It's basically just existing somewhere.

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Tyranamar Seuss
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Businesses are harmed if your "existing" as you call it makes their location less desirable to shop or do business in. A lot of these "victimless" crimes sound like they were written by people who never considered the other person's point of view.

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Collecting rain water (a crime in a lot of cities here in the US).

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Tobias Reaper
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this makes absolutely no sense do the US goverment think they own the weather or something

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Downloading games for obsolete consoles from companies which are now non-existent.

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Corvus
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8 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Like I mentioned under a similar post - this should not only be legal, but encouraged, to preserve these old games for history.

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“Believe It Or Not, It’s A Crime”: 35 Examples Of Victimless Crimes Pirating cute cat videos off the internet

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