“Obsession With Therapy-Speak”: 36 Things Older People Don’t Get About The Younger Generations
InterviewWe often talk about generation gaps — the beliefs and behaviors separating Millennials, Baby Boomers, and all the rest of the cohorts in politics, work ethic, technology adoption, and other aspects of life.
Interested in exploring the subject further, Reddit user 5h0gKur4C4ndl made a post on the platform, asking its older users to list the things that they cannot understand about younger people.
From experiencing life through your phone to labeling everyone around you, we collected some of the most popular replies to shed more light on what drives the disconnect between us. Hopefully, that'll bring us one step closer to bridging it.
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Their obsession with immediately diagnosing psychological things and turning everything into therapy-speak. "You're gaslighting me", etc.
Yes!! All those online psychology quizzes and self-diagnoses make it all the more difficult for people with actual problems to get taken seriously or find a therapist.
it does my head in, it really does. Schizophrenia, for example, can be absolutely awful to live with. It's not a f*****g fashion accessory just so you can seem "cool and edgy" to your "goth/emo" friends ffs e_e
Load More Replies...Recognising toxic behavior and setting borders is a crucial ability in life.
Knowing when someone is gaslighting you is a necessary life skill. I'm glad that kids are starting to have greater psychological literacy so they can protect themselves from emotional abuse. It has enormous negative effects on mental health, and considering "unaliving" oneself is one of the most common causes of death for young people, protecting one's mental health is of paramount importance.
Load More Replies...And they diagnose everybody (based on maybe one psychology class) and are constantly suggesting therapy for any little issue.
You do sound like you need therapy. This is a non-issue, why are we so upset?
Load More Replies...People misusing or overusing terms they've been made newly aware of has been with humanity forever. The important takeaway from this complaint however is this: this generation is aware that mental health and psychological well-being are a thing, and they TALK ABOUT IT. They're also more likely than any other current generations to go seek therapy unprompted, so if they are misusing, misapplying, or overusing terms and are genuine but misinformed - their therapist will eventually sort that out with them. So for those who are well-meaning, but caught up in a notion, it's a self-solving problem, eventually. As for actual gaslighters -- misusing terms is kind of their whole thing.
This. Exactly This....... It's difficult living with PTSD and Anxiety, Depression etc. I've been through the courts, left disabled for life by my violent ex. He DID gaslight me and... It's... It Dilutes Everything That True Victims of Domestic Violence, Mental Abuse etc have actually been through when people start using these terms without any actual basis for it because They Have Not In Any Actuality Gone Through It Themselves.
It seems that therapy these days is just another way to be the center of attention for many people.
Why do you want to watch a 100% of a concert, that you payed good money for, through your phone lens?
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head there sir.
Load More Replies...And the best part is that you most likely wouldn’t rewatch the video ever again.
I would. I wish I'd had phones like I do now during some of the concerts I went to 30 years ago. I wouldn't have filmed the whole thing. But I'd love to have been able to take some photos and maybe film snippets here and there.
Load More Replies...As an older adult, I tried to watch a concert through my phone, but the cord wasn't long enough.
It's the worst!! You don't see it quite as much at metal shows, but still. I might take out my phone a snap a couple quick pictures here and there, but that's it. I'm there for the experience of a band playing live and hopefully melting my face!
I stopped going to concerts when the price went from $7 to $10, guess how old I am.
Why record with a trash low resolution camera that will take up your storage when you can use something called your eyes and see it in ultra high definition that no camera or screen can show such detail
Your phone can't record in 4k? I reckon the video on mine would actually be better than my eyesight. The audio though is a different question, way too much ambient noise to get good concert sound.
Load More Replies...We got in touch with the person who started this discussion, and they agreed to chat with us about it.
"I came up with the idea for the post when I was just scrolling through Reddit," 5h0gKur4C4ndl explained to Bored Panda.
"It was the first time in a while; quitting and then coming back is a surefire way to get new material."
The emails I get from my students aged 18-25 are such a mess of incoherent garbage, I can't tell if they are lazy or if it's an actual literacy issue. And I'm barely older than they are so if this is a generational gap, it happened quickly!
I had to teach my kids how to structure and write formal and informal letters. It was part of the English syllabus growing up, but apparently not in modern UK schools. Emails should resemble letters, but if all kids know is whatsapp and aren't taught otherwise... this is what you get.
What is amazing is that kids (young adults) think emoticons are appropriate for business emails >_<
Load More Replies...There is a concern that the younger gerneration are becoming illiterate.
In Florida that made it so reading was no longer a requirement for graduation...like that's the most important one!!!
Load More Replies...God save me from those interminable run-on sentences that go on like stream-of-consciousness c**p. Not a single period or comma in a wall of text.
My youngest got in trouble in 4th grade for writing in cursive. I responded to the teacher (in cursive, of course) that if the schools would not teach my children what they will need, as far as English/Language Arts are concerned, then I will. Both kids had/have phenomenal vocabularies and are great writers as adults. Personally, I hate it when people don't even try to make their emails & texts coherent. Punctuation? Spelling? Upper and lower case letters? Since when did they become optional?
They don't even capitalize their names in job applications! I had to go into each account to edit their own names!
Load More Replies..."I can't tell if they are lazy or if it's an actual literacy issue" why-not-bo...f2fd07.jpg
A lot of people think that spelling, grammar and punctuation optional in all forms of online communication... okay, maybe this is somewhat true for quick chats, but for serious emails? Not acceptable.
Yes, I'd rather not have to decode what someone is trying to say.
Load More Replies...OMG, this. I am so completely fed up with people not following just the basic rules of grammar, spelling, and punctuation — a set of rules that I was adept with ***when I was a freshman in high school.*** I hate it and I feel like a Grammar Nazi every time I read their absolute garbage
I had to explain to a new teacher what a compound sentence is!
Load More Replies...I'll say it again: I blame a decades-long war on education but Repugnicans.
I don't think that's just a generational thing. Before you start teaching, you just aren't exposed to that much bad writing. Back in high school I always made fun of a friend because of his extremely bad writing. He still can't write a coherent text, but he teaches guitar on a university level lol
Recording yourself crying.
If I'm upset enough to be crying, the LAST thing on my mind is sticking a phone in my face to record, and then posting it for all to see.
yeah, like if you rlly feel bad about it, you may wanna talk to a loved one or be alone and reflect. personally i would find it a little embarrassing that everyone knows my business.
Load More Replies...YouTubers be like when they do something bad or any influencer
I want so much to agree with this, but then I remember my deeply depressed and angsty teen self who absolutely would have done this had it been an option at the time.
Recording yourself doing some cool hobby or having something relevant/educational to say is okay, but that's about it.
Load More Replies...I can't believe that's a real thing. Oh wait, there are people who call themselves "influencers" and ruin things for everyone around them in public, all for an average of $300 a month.
As the thread went viral, 5h0gKur4C4ndl noticed that "most of the answers were reasonable enough."
The Redditor isn't entirely sure if the conversations will remain civil as time goes on, but so far, the main points seem to be general attitude, convenience issues, and "whatever your grandparents would complain about."
Taking public calls on speaker phone and sending voice messages. .
I hate voice messages with a passion! I understand they are easier for people with dyslexia or whatever but you can't just scroll through a conversation looking for something - you have to listen to every single one!
Srsly? My phone transcribes ALL voice messages as a built-in feature.
Load More Replies...God I hate voice messages. My cousin does this all the time. She isn't doing anything that would stop her from either typing a text or calling but says it's easier
Too be fair, it's not just the youts. There are plenty of GenX and Millennials who are doing this, to my consternation.
Same with people using voice to text: I don't need to hear every text you're sending.
this is not a younger generation thing. i can say a lot of mean things about certain people who do this, and i can say with 100% certainty, they are not from the younger generation.
Thank you. Whenever I'm walking my dog and I hear someone playing music without headphones, 90% of the time it's someone of a certain generation. You know which one.
Load More Replies...This is rude. If someone does it near me I join in the conversation. Funny because for some reason that embarrass them.
It's kinda funny, i prefer writing and best friend usually responds in voice messages (she has dyslexia). Our chat looks funny with text and the sound as replies
The absolute lack of capacity to deal with any emotional stress or upheaval without turning into a gibbering mess. I’m being hyperbolic of course, but I have literally now lost count of how many students I’ve dealt with who cannot under any circumstances be given criticism or negative feedback without utterly falling to pieces. I had someone messing around in a lecture, playing with their phone and being disruptive. I stopped the lecture and told them to put it away and pay attention or leave. They looked SHOCKED to have been called out, and sat there quietly for the next 10-15 minutes until suddenly going all “deer in the headlights” when asked a question in relation to the topic and then running the full length of the lecture hall and out the room. I was informed the following day that the student had went to counselling services to complain that I had “put unreasonable pressure on him by asking him questions in class, and set off his anxiety”. He then told the University he would need to take the next 2 weeks off with extensions for all his submissions in order to “get over the troubling experience”. He was mid 20’s at this point. **************** Another situation happened when a student was told that their research work was unfortunately substandard. They seemed utterly baffled at how they could’ve gotten any criticism on it, when given suggestions on where they went wrong (lacking depth to the arguments, biased stances, non-credible sources) they went on a tirade about how they wouldn’t use any source that didn’t align with their perspective because “they’re the anti-X crowd and all f*****g evil”. This person then burst into tears and when they realised the door was locked (it needs a key code to open it) they started freaking out, screaming and hollering as though they were being physically attacked. Any attempt to talk to them was met with more tears and screams and when the door was opened she ran out of the building.
Inability to take feedback is a huge hindrance to success in any field that you want to get good at. This is sad.
They are like that in the work place too. There has been so much emphasis on getting "positive feedback" and taking "mental health" days that they can't cope in the real world. It worries me because these are the people that will be running the countries of the world in a few years. God help us all.....
A Millennial who works for me "I've gone *5 weeks* without having a day off!". Well, yeah, if you don't count those 5 weekends and 2 holidays...
Load More Replies...As many parents decide not to criticise their children for anything anymore and attack teachers for doing it, it apparently became the job of college/university personal
It was the reverse for me :/ none of my teachers would give me any critism theyd just tell me whether i did good or bad, nothing else unless i asked
Load More Replies...When I grew up, it was with the learning that I was responsible for my actions. Mistakes can be made, call them learning experiences, strive not to repeat. Think of others besides yourself. Now, people can slough off responsibilities by deflected to "it is racial, gender, orientation discrimination, or clinging to self diagnosed psychological reasons". Yes, I know they are real, and I wish anyone diagnosed all the good in the world, but I am speaking of those that say they are on the spectrum, bi polar or any other without having sought medical advice. As a manager, I have seen a real gap in how people act. Had an applicant request his mom accompany him during his interview. Mind boggling.
Suppose the mom was going to come to work with him? Would you have been responsible for buying a chair for her to use?
Load More Replies...I find it incredible that a university lecturer has such a poor understanding of basic grammar. One does not say '..had went to..': it is either 'went to' or 'had been to'. Also, switching between the impersonal 'they/their' and 'him/his' when talking about the same person makes for a confusing mess.
The average STEM professor I meet does not know more about grammar than the average high schooler.
Load More Replies...From how we vote to how we tackle climate change and other pressing issues, the generation gap sometimes seems bigger than ever before.
There are the boomers, people born in the post-war baby boom period. The case against them is that they enjoyed free higher education and affordable housing, and then created a huge economic and environmental mess for everyone else to clean up.
Then there are the millennials – folks born between the early '80s and mid-'90s. The charges against them are that they’ve killed off everything from mayonnaise to fabric conditioner, and spend their money away on avocado on toast and oatmeal lattes instead of saving up for what's important in life.
Generation X is sitting largely forgotten in the middle, and Generation Z, the youngsters raised on social media, are just entering the real world.
Their inability to see the nuance on a lot of issues. It’s black or white for them, completely ignoring the multitude of layers and shades of gray that exist in the world.
YES!! This move towards polarisation is one of the most dangerous trends facing society.
And hell yes, I'm going to say this: BP should be the exception to this, yet the amount of political bullying that goes on on BP is astounding. Down-voting in the absence of abuse or misuse is absolutely evil, and yet there are swarms of people on BP who use it to censor any viewpoint they disagree with. If you disagree, make your case, or even just simply say so, or at the very least back off when someone drops below 0. But using numeric superiority and fear of reprisals to shut down discourse is the tactic of tyrants and lethally deadly to freedom and democracy. But people today tolerate tyranny in the mistaken belief that because they have the majority now, they'll retain their freedom when others' freedoms are finally abolished.
Load More Replies...To be fair, young people usually see things in black and white. Nuanced understanding should develop over time.
Problem is, for many of them, it never does develop
Load More Replies...I have to say this is one that has *always* been a problem. It's definitely not exclusive to current generations. It's common to every (well most) young person regardless of generation. It's only as you get a little older and experience more of the world that you realise this.
My sense is that the new trend is that the *older* generations are more polarised and black-and-white. Young people have always tended to more radical views while older folks tended to small-c conservatism. Now the real extremism is most visible in older generations. Very sweeping generalisation obviously.
Load More Replies...Criticism, disagreement or even simple questions are treated as racist/sexist/phobic on the basis that they're offended they're not being praised for their views....and even people that know better are often too scared of the meaningless "backlash" to speak up. Case in point: these comment sections. While BP does have an option to report posts and comments, which should be the ONLY avenue to moderation, they stupidly keep trying to "tweak" the downvoting system. What used to be bans, which could be appealed, now is just straight up censored with zero recourse. Critical thinking has been replaced with echo chambers, and the world is much worse off for it.
I don't think, this is a generational problem. But Zeitgeist. I know more people of my (Gen X) and older generations, that oversimplify things and then label them "good"/"right" or "bad"/"wrong".
They have learned this from their parents and it's going to cause a civil war at some point.
I think this is generally how people in their teens/20s have always seen the world, they shades of grey come in as they mature
Apparently, despite growing up with technology around them, they don't know how to use computers properly because they focus mostly on smartphones and tablets.
Gen X and Y grew up with computers that actually required you to be tech savvy to use them (think MS-DOS and Windows 95/98). Modern technology is much more user-friendly and easy to use, so no skill is required to use it. Thus, new generations end up being less tech savvy.
Technology when I was in high school was an IBM Selectric in typing class
And it was awesome to get the new electric typewriter instead of the manual version. Even in the days of the Commodore 64.
Load More Replies...TBF, I'm an old man and I'd just as soon use a phone app (if available) over the computer. Before anyone uses age as a brickbat, I go back to the age of Burroughs L2000 and L5000 and IBM 407 days. It's often simpler to use the phone app than having the OS throwing things at you while you're trying to work.
my gen y mom comes to me for all the tech stuff lol computers, phones, video games, anything
I started sending my kids to the computer nerds at school when they started at the University. There's like a nerd area for computer problems & it's free. The nerds there have been able to help a lot to keep old laptops running and fix various issues. I (Gen X) still know more about Microsoft Office type software than my daughters (Gen Z) but they recently have decided I'm an idiot about it so they should be rapidly developing skills. They're down to asking if the software does X and they didn't want to know how, they'll figure it out. I had formal training in the '90's & have been using the software ever since so to me it's very second nature. Like, I know how to mail merge in Word from an Excel database to create letters, envelopes and labels. Does anybody ever need that anymore?
True. I teach concept art for animation and I thought my only problem was to teach Photoshop (before of the more basic art stuff), instead I had to explain how to shut down a pc (and I use Mac, I haven't been using a pc in 10 years at least but I STILL REMEMBER HOW TO CLOSE WINDOWS. Jeez.) and what's a server and no, you can't open a file on Photoshop from an online server, you have to download it first. I love them but sometimes they leave me speachless.
To some extent, a level of friction between the cohorts is to be expected. "We work together really well in groups,” said Catherine Loveday, professor of psychology at Westminster University, UK. "We are more protective and more supportive towards people in our in-group and we will do a lot to help them."
"The downside is that when we instinctively see someone as being part of an out-group, we tend to not be so supportive towards them."
If I have to teach one more adult how alphabetical order works, I'm going to lose it.
These are university graduates. They just throw the file back in. Like how did you find it in the first place?
So much this!! I can't even look in the filing cabinet anymore because the otherwise intelligent admin has no idea how to put files into alphabetical order. She's not dyslexic or anything, she just was taught the letters phonetically instead of the old fashioned ABCs.
Wait! Both of my kids were taught the alphabet and phonetics, yet they don't have this problem. (They are 29 & 23.) How are they taught one without the other?
Load More Replies...I teach Grade 5. During support classes I discovered these 11 year-old kids do not know alphabetical order. So I checked it out in regular classes. THEY DON'T KNOW. "Does R come before T?" "No." AAAARRRGGHHHH!
My god I learned the alphabet before kindergarten and I never even went to preschool
They know, they just have such a sense of entitlement that someone else will deal with it that they don't care to be respectful and put it back where they found it. You are not dealing with the uneducated, you are dealing with entitled and apathetic future welfare recipients.
There are places that still have physical files?? ;) I'm so used to digital files/file servers now that I hardly know what to do with a piece of paper, LOL.
Ugh! I worked at a video game store in my 20s where all the games were stored alphabetically in drawers. Manager hired these 2 girls and they could not figure it out. I could never find things and it drove me nuts.
I have a job where it’s all alphabetical, this includes things like when the word starts with co then the next one is col and the then cold and they all have to be put in the order of the alphabet until the end of the words.
Tiktok is an actual news source for some.
If we are going to ban TikTok, then we should also ban twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram, and all of the social media platforms.
Load More Replies...The terms and conditions for TikTok allow access to your phone/computer/laptop (whatever device it's used on) and location at all times, even after the app is deleted. It leaves a tracer on your phone. It can access and store the info of everything you do on that device, including private phone calls and even voice capture when you're not even on the device (conversations in person, for example). The terms also allow TikTok to request the data. It collects to be downloaded to their servers at any time. When they do this, it is on their servers for life, you cannot delete or request the deletion of that data. It's a dangerous app for more than the content it shares. And yes, other social media apps can access a decent amount of your info but not in the same way or to the same degree.
Wow! I csn see why the government wants the Chinese company out of it.
Load More Replies...TikTok is important for a lot of things. It is a job for a lot of people and people can spread news and information about Palestine and not just victimizing isreal. They are not banning TikTok for good reasons they are doing it to silence Palestinians and to silence us not for actual good reasons. Just what I think if you disagree cool.
Pretty sure it's being banned because the US government suspects China is using it to harvest data and spy on America without even needing feet on the ground. I know that's why the Australian Govt banned it on official devices.
Load More Replies...I’m praying an American or allied company buys it or that it will be banned outright as spyware. ByteDance’s representatives have admitted that it is under oath!
Tiktok has given a voice to so many people and connection for people who are unable to find it in their daily life.
Just like everything else, TV, radio, books, the general internet, it's what you consume not what media or channel it is on that matters. I'm certain you could find perfectly acceptable journalism on TikTok. You could also find utter garbage. Just like tv, radio, books, etc.
5h0gKur4C4ndl agrees. "Gaps are inevitable since everyone has their own preferences and needs," the Redditor added.
"If there will ever be something that will allow generations to finally close them, it will likely be because there is something so meaningful, it changes the whole world."
To begin, however, we could at least try and see each other's best attributes and pick up on our similarities instead of antagonizing everyone we don't agree with.
Gen Z has a very strong not my problem/not my job someone else will do it/fix it attitude.
There comes a point where you realize no one will swoop in and fix it for you... the sooner you get there, the better.
What Corvus said. This is one of a young life's most important growth moments.
Load More Replies...No, Gen Z has a very strong attitude of setting boundaries and actually enforcing them.
That is not a Gen Z attitude. We would not face a climate crisis, for example, if previous generations had adopted something more than a not my problem attitude in the 70s, 80s, 90s. In news archives from back then, you can find news reports about scientific research warning about what would happen.
Exactly! My generation saw the beginning of the problem but we did nothing to solve it. Now it's like a tsunami and we all expect a miracle... but we still do nothing.
Load More Replies...Oh lord jesus.... EVERY GENERATION HAS THIS PROBLEM!!! My Grandparents, my mother, me, and my daughter. The "older" gen is now just starting to see how it looks when they acted that way on other people. Yall are in yall's "I can now see what my parents were talking about phase. That's it.
I do not find this at all, I find they're weighed down with the burden of trying to fix everything all at once - I work at a university
37 year old attending college for the first time here. They have negative confidence. They barely speak above a mumble, especially when answering a question from the teacher. Most of them would rather die than talk to someone they're interested in. It's like 90% of them are cripplingly introverted.
Well that's because social media should actually have been called antisocial media. Used in excess with no other options for socialising, kids are being starved of human connection. It's not normal!
That's our fault as parents. Where we might have been sent out to play with instructions not to play on the railway line, not to upset Farmer Giles' bull, and be back before it's dark, now kids have to have organised "play dates." We fill their days with structured clubs and educational activities, all directed by adults. We've closed down social spaces, or restricted them to the very young, so that teenagers have nowhere to gather and perform their obnoxiously loud and sweary mating rituals. As for "dating" - well, that's been packaged as a gamified app with people reduced to a Top Trumps set of statistics and a photo. Poor kids...
Load More Replies...Stop misusing the term "introvert". Introversion and shyness/anxiety are not the same. I'm moderately introverted, but I'm not shy. But I do have some social anxiety because I'm autistic and not good with people. But I really like people. But I always tell myself to never say a word when I'm around people because I don't want to inflict myself on them. It's best if I just remove myself from life. But I'm not shy. What you mean is cripplingly anxiety-ridden, or cripplingly lacking in confidence, or... something else, but not introversion.
Exactly! Introverts are people who are drained by being around other people and need a large amount of time alone. It doesn't mean we're shy or awkward - that's an individual personality trait! I'm quite outgoing and not shy at all. But I'm absolutely an introvert. I have excellent social skills but can only be around others or socialize for a certain amount of time before the I feel like the life is sucked out of me and I need to be by myself.
Load More Replies...This is normal for young adults. I remember when I was a uni student back in the 90s, the mature-aged students were the ones who dominated tutorials because they had confidence and many younger people didn't.
That's exactly why I transferred to a very small college after I started at a huge one. I'm not good with large groups of people, but in a small class situation I thrived. I was much more comfortable when I knew everyone in class and the prof knew each of us individually. Those massive 200+ student lecture halls are intimidating! Thankfully there are many choices of schools in the US and I was able to find one that fit me perfectly.
Load More Replies...Social media is destroying our society I even asked my little sister how manly people in her 1st-3rd grade class have phones and she said almost everyone has one. iPad kids are turning into iPhone kids we should be scared of this
Is some of this the fault of the pandemic? Being home, learning on-line, for almost 2 years, it seems that people forgot how to socialize or speak in class, especially if they were a bit shy or awkward.
I'd say yes, absolutely. When you see the kids who had major life events they missed during covid (graduating from high school, prom, first year of Uni) it didn't just rob them of those experiences, it turned them inward. I'm generalising of course, but you don't spend two years in lockdown during your formative years and not have it affect you.
Load More Replies...Spent a few weeks at Georgetown University Maryland for a renovation project recently. Maybe 4 people (faculty and student) made eye contact while I was there and saw on several occasions when individuals would pass on the sidewalk instead of merely moving to give the other some room to pass they would walk into the road with oncoming traffic. It's like they were absolutely afraid of any interaction.
My stepson mumbles and talks so quietly that I feel like Dave Chapelle's Lil Jon when trying to listen to him.
This person apparently forgot what being young is like - lack of public self-confidence (& desperation to try out various identities - "This week I'm a goth") comes with the territory, self-assurance and confidence - or the ability to fake them - come with age. We were all young once, we should all remember how scary and confusing it can be, especially when hormones are in overdrive.
I'm a middle school teacher. My kids will routinely claim they can't do anything and then shut down and do nothing. And then... It's easy and they do it. It goes like this: "Everybody, here's the assignment. Follow all the steps." I go around the room and one kid forgot their Chromebook, ir a pencil. One kid needs a charger. One kid doesn't understand "any of the steps." So basically it's the degree of learned helplessness. They know to ask when I go over, but if there are twenty kids and I get to them last, they will do nothing (no phones, nothing!) for twenty minutes and act surprised I'm irritated they didn't grab a damn pencil from the freeeee pencils on my desk. And then act surprised they're behind on the assignment! Or I'll ask "okay, which of the 5 steps is tough for you?" "All of them." "K, read step 1." "Oh. That's easy." Rinse and repeat.
Yep. There are 40 kids in a class where I work (government school) and if you're busy marking one row, a child without a pen in the next row will sit there for 10 minutes doing *nothing* and then smile at you when you ask why nothing was done. "I don't have a pen." If you ask why they didn't borrow one, they sigh and ask the child next to them. WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THAT 10 MINUTES AGO?!!
If I had a panic attack being in a class with 28 kids I could not imagine 40
Load More Replies...This isn't laziness. This is cultural conditioning. Adults have spent the last decade controlling every aspect of their childrens lives, never allowing them any autonomy or self-motivation, because "it's too dangerous". It starts even before school age, with "organized playdates". And continues through the school years with other organized activities, driving them everywhere, and encouraging them to communicate online from home instead of actually going anywhere. And people are surprised now that they aren't self-starters and have to be guided through everything? That's what they were taught to do! "Don't do anything you aren't guided to do first." That, and the distancing of society via technology has created an entire generation that doesn't know how to function.
I remember certain kids being like that in school. But it was a small percentage, certainly not the majority. I wonder whether the percentages are higher or it's just the "bad" ones are more obvious so they're getting noticed. edit: I have seen friend's kids display this exact attitude recently. Usually followed by "you do it for me" aimed at their parents.
No start giving consequences and it's not learned helplessness it's weaponized incompetence.
Yeah I worked in 4th and 5th grade and this attitude was very common. It was usually the same specific kids so I learned pretty fast who I needed to check on the most, and they hated when I wouldn't do things for them.
Why they'd rather watch someone else play a video game than play it themselves. That was a punishment when I was a kid, not entertainment.
Same question could be asked about watching any kind of sport. And yet... There's some streamers I like to watch because they have a nice sense of humor. Or they give tips about the game they're playing. Just watching them is also a way to learn how to get beter at the game.
This is how my son explained it to me: learning new tactics about particular "levels" in a game, seeing what is coming in future "levels", learning about a game before buying (& possibly wasting money), learning about different character types and watching competitions/championships to see how the "best of the best" play.
Load More Replies...Cause it's fun watching someone who is better and can do cooler things / play games I won't ever get
Or worse - goggle box 😂 (for those who don’t know, it’s literally a tv show about people watching tv shows at home)
Load More Replies...Well, even though having sex is great, watching porn is still popular, I think.
Sometimes I do watch others play a game that I find interesting, but is too difficult for me. Alien Isolation is a good example. But overall I prefer playing games rather than watching.
Or games I don't have the time for. Or just because the gamers have wonderful personalities (ambiguousamphibian, Largely Unemployed), or soothing voices (Willjum), or intense levels of nerdery (Marcel Vos).
Load More Replies...I love a streamer called DougDoug, who will do challenges against the people watching ("chat") and/or add hilarious mods to the game to make it harder (and much, much funnier); my favorite being when he created a Skyrim mod where, if he said a certain word, it would summon 10 of that thing, and chat had an absolute ball tricking him into saying those words and messing up his runs. Also, watching anyone play Kerbal Space Program without taking it seriously is enough to make me wheeze-laugh for hours.
Honestly when is watch YouTube gamers, it’s just to watch, don’t really care about what game they’re playing
They can be funny, teach u about the game and its simple entertainment if r too tired to play urself.
Treating fixable problems as core personality traits, and focusing on accommodating them rather than fixing them.
Too anxious to go to the grocery store? Too fat to do well in gym class? Too shy to make friends? Too illiterate to enjoy reading? The ADA is not for you. Fix your s**t.
Especially the way that obesity is now treated as a disability! As someone with a disability, it used to only be me with accommodations, now I have people applying for ieps so they don't have to do gym class. Most people are like 'It isn't my fault, I can't help it' but most of them (not all, I know weight gain can be caused by a disease) just eat a massive amount of food. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
While I understand your viewpoint, you come off a bit one-sided. I started working at 14 detaselling corn, very physical work. I always held a job. I was also always overweight, but I played sports in school, was always active. When I was pregnant with my daughter, I experienced depression for the first time. When my daughter was 5, my depression reached a new level and everything basically stopped. I could not go to work. I started sleeping as much as I could, and lastly, I used food as a coping mechanism. My weight skyrocketed. I couldn't even put on my own socks. So you think it was just a matter of me "fixing it"? Do you know how horrible or was for me the first time I had to use a motorized cart at the grocery store? To be a spectator in my own life? Unable to do anything requiring physical activity with my kid? Yes, I became disabled because of my weight, but it sure as hell wasn't a conscious choice. You should really seek to understand if you're in a position to
Load More Replies...This sounds entitled. Things are fixable, but you often need help with that, and many people simply don’t have the means for that. You can’t just stop being shy or anxious because you want to. Therapy is expensive and usually with loooong waiting lists.
Not everything needs to be fixed by therapy. You can start by looking at yourself and thinking about why you're doing (or not doing) things that way. There are also lots of self help resources. I don't like self-diagnosis, but hell if you think you have problems with anxiety and you can't afford a therapist then read a book, or check out web resources. Learn some strategies and actually try them.
Load More Replies...The psychologist my daughter went to said one of his goals with teens in the program was to teach them to not identify as their mental health disorders because it is very common to do as they are in the process of learning and creating their identities. I worked so hard to teach my daughter that this is something you HAVE that you can try to treat and work on, not something you ARE. Thankfully she is doing well, but seeing adults take on these afflicted personalities is very frustrating.
Agree with everything except the shy part most kids are shy because they're bullied.
The only way someone should have any ADA or whatever is if they actually have something wrong with their mental/physical
The lack of understanding that things put on the internet are public forever.
In my family, it is rather the babyboomer generation I am always worried about as some of them tend to share too much information online while the younger generations seem to be more careful.
It varies a lot person to person, family to family. I know kids who would think nothing about chatting with random strangers on the internet or posting all sorts of information about themselves. It drives their parents mad.
Load More Replies...Mom and Aunt are the one we need to watch like a hawk as they fall for the "post this to retain your rights" and do those darn quizzes that give out way too much info all the time and as a result get hacked often. I finally had to resort to installing a net nanny program on my Mom's computer to stop it happening.
Load More Replies...and yet, it's the older generation who shares that rubbish about "I do not give you the right to use my photos, etc on FB" as if they also believe that once they post it, it isn't going to be seen/used/shared by others....
That's definitely over-estimating the robustness of the internet. Yes, over-sharing is dangerous, and the lack of privacy and security is alarming. But much of what goes online will be lost within a few years. It's certainly not public forever.
Correct. After a few years it doesn't exist any more. A video of ball lightning, gone in two months. Major parts of Wikipedia, gone. Photobucket pictures, gone. My bird video website - codecs have changed, nobody can play any of the files, then gone. Etc. etc. Information on the web dies faster than cars do.
Load More Replies...They've been so coddled and raised in front of screens rather than interacting in the real world that ANYTHING gives them anxiety. Talking to people, trying something new, going somewhere, literally anything can make them shut down.
Not really. At some point in your life, as an adult, you have to take responsibility for yourself and your own behavior. Problem is, they don't see themselves as adults, even when they are well over 20.
Load More Replies...I have noticed that many younger people under 30 do not acknowledge others when bumping into people. A normal response would be 'sorry' 'ops' a nod, smile etc. They keep their heads down and pretend you don't exist. Pathetic.
From the generation that decided how we raised our kids didn't matter, and used their votes to destroy the education system. Yes, your actions have consequences. Welcome to the world you created.
Load More Replies...So so true but we never get the opportunity to hang out with friends so we play video games but I like playing calm simulators like farming simulator 22 alone
The self victimization, clinging to whatever label they think will shield them from criticism, learned helplessness, refusal to consider viewpoints that doing align with their worldview. I could go on.
Yeah, but that isn't exclusive to them - just look at the right wing of politics.
So true! What's the rightoids newest "label" for whatever they don't like? Woke? CRT? PC? 🤣
Load More Replies...This has been caused by big government, they have us exactly where they want us, alone and afraid.
The need to document every thought, bite of food, outfit change , papsmear , and things that leave them " literally shaking right now".. like the lady at Starbucks calling you sir when clearly you're a they/them with a beard.
No one's pronouns are written on their foreheads in big red letters, so it makes no sense to be "outraged" when someone doesn't know them.
I have a friend that when we were at the mall while his friend was getting a dress for prom he said “you can never know someone’s gender anymore and they get mad if you get it wrong”
Load More Replies..."LiTeRalLy ShAkInG rIgHt NoW" lol, this is true. Though I must admit I'd probably have shared a lot of BS if internet and social media had been a thing when I was young.
Exactly, and since 5% of people in the US are trans don't blame me for not assuming you are trans
As long as you use their preferred pronouns once they tell you.
Load More Replies...At this point, the solution is simply to say "how can help you" and never address them in any other way. Don't give a FK about their preferred pronouns and just treat them generically, unless wearing an actual name tag.
Yeah this pronoun stuff is getting annoying. At first I didn’t care but with e people getting so offended if you guess wrong it’s just annoying
I have trained myself to use them for everyone because how can that be offensive, right? And I gotta say, when you present with both a male and female appearance, it can be confusing when figuring out how to address you without causing offense. Cause guess what, babe, ain't nobody trying to hurt your feelers by choosing the wrong pronoun. We are all trying to navigate the world the best we can.
It's sometimes not a matter of purchasing, but a matter of clarity. When a story uses "them," it's often not clear whether the narrator is talking about the protagonist or the corporation.
Load More Replies...I’m in my forties and I manage a small group of people who are in their 20s to early thirties. What I notice most is how anxious and fearful they seem to be. Everyone is out to get them. I often get approached by subordinates who want me to do something about a colleague who is doing them wrong in some way. After I gather more information, it almost always is a case of poor assumption about someone else’s intentions, coupled with a desire to jump to the worst case scenario. If I ask them a series of probing questions about other possible interpretations they often admit they didn’t consider those possibilities. The other thing is too much bravado - over confidence in their knowledge, skill or ability in an area. I think it’s potentially a defense mechanism to combat the fear and the people they think are out to get them.
I also find this worrying, that there is less thinking outside the box, less critical thinking..
Load More Replies...The last half is just every young generation. Every young something year thinks they know it all. Tale as old as time
This is another one that seems a bit like an "all young people of any generation" moreso than "just the current generation of young people".
I feel like our entire society could stand some cognitive behavioral therapy
Multi-level marketing, as in scam job, accounts for a rather large percentage of the job market. That's dumb. We allow that. Contract labor sales jobs for real industries account for an even larger percentage of our job market, and those are just as bad. All the workers rights you boomers grew up with and took for granted are gone now. Our bosses, HR, the whole system is out to get us, and one false move could leave you homeless. You old-heads have a ton of implicit bias in your deep privilege that we don't have.
We were saying what we would do if we won the big lottery jackpot. The new 22 yr old hire said he’d become an influencer. Can you imagine winning a billion at 22 and that’s what you would do. Not start a business, travel the world, charity, sports, property… Learn something… but become an influencer… with a billion dollars. I mean like he’s gonna hire a marketing company to fabricate interest in his social media? He’s gonna spend money on stupid things to make people cringe or rage comment? With a billion dollars. Just thought that was a weird and low bar and was hard to understand.
Isn't it a lot like the old wish to become famous? That was literally a lot of people's dream when I was younger, including people older than me. Not to become famous *for* something but just to be famous.
Thing is, hardly anyone actually wants to be famous. They just *think* they’re supposed to *want* to be famous. It’s a really odd phenomenon.
Load More Replies...One of the funny things about "influencers" is that most of them have almost zero experience in anything. What is a 22 year old going to teach me about life? You can't "influence" how to win the lottery.
You have your dream, others have theirs. Its their right to pursue them if they want to. Even if they are stupid dreams.
but becoming an influencer wasn't the kids dream. its just something he wants to do instead of work. the kid didn't understand the billion dollars part, but the part that said "you don't have to work anymore". His dream is to not work, to be an influencer is just something he strives to be in life....
Load More Replies...Give me billion dollars and I'd fund high quality affordable housing with a wrap around support system including tutoring, neighborhood GED and job skill training, a local health clinic, and transportation service; then I'd go to the beach for a few weeks.
Sadly, this is becoming a huge problem with kids. Most kids in Grade 5-7 don't have ambition to become anything realistic. Back before 'influencers' were a thing, 90% of Grade 7 boys said they wanted to become a soccer player or a DJ. That was it. Now it's less DJ and more 'sports star' or influencer. I'm afraid for the future.
I’m in 7th grade look at the post I made plus how would you become a sports player with just money you need skill too
Load More Replies...Another voice of a person upset with the world they personally created.
Speaking as an "old person," here is what I'd do with that billion dollars. 1) Pay off all the debts of everyone I care about. 2) Retire carefree. 3) Maybe establish an endowment for something or other, depending on the particulars.
They don’t “go out”. Their friends are on social media or online, so there’s very little “going out”. Also, a marked disinterest in dating.
Believe me, I would have loved to go out, and so would have most of my friends. The problem were parents that thought it wasn't safe for us to go anywhere, and they definitely didn't want to tag along to the arcade, so we didn't go.
Ah, the good old Gen-X helicopter parenting. Their own parents left them to their own designs, and now they want to micromanage their kid's lives as well as wrap them in bubble wrap, so they won't suffer the least bit of harm, physical or mental.
Load More Replies...The only times I get to hang out with my friends is bday parties which I only get invited to 2 of my friends or we have a sleepover which is like only one every 2 months. The problem is parents not wanting kids to go outside with friends because it is too dangerous
I don’t know, as a Gen Z-er, I’d rather spend my time on school than on dates with some person who isn’t going to stay with me for longer than 2 weeks. I haven’t gotten on a relationship yet, I’m 14, I think it’s perfectly fine \(.,.)/
You're 14. I think it's perfectly fine, too.
Load More Replies...When I turned 16, got my license, bought a car and was almost never at home again.
Disinterest in dating? The drama amongst my middle schoolers for who is dating or wants to date is so thick it threatens to derail my last two class periods.
Does OP realize how expensive everything is nowadays? Or how it was always hammered into us that if we went outside and the sun was even touching the horizon a man in a white van would stuff us in a burlap sack?
We inherited a crisis while not having any control to do anything. The boomers own all the homes and businesses, and we're begging you old-heads to change. You refuse to change. You refuse to hear us. You refuse to be the remedy to these issues.
I don't understand why most of them want to look rich with expensive s**t and most of them act like they run businesses or something. They take pictures with cars that are not theirs for example. Dude chill, you're 16.
Well, the take pictures with the cars is not bad in itself. If it´s something really rare or expensive you don´t usually see. But if they act online like they own it, now that´s stupid.
There are plenty of stories from people walking back to their car only to find some guy (or girl) leaning on it claiming it's theirs while they record a video. There was a funny one where the owner hopped in and started the car before the person realised.
Load More Replies...Acting like you own it is stupid. But if I see a model t ford I will take a picture just to say I saw one
Me and my dad wanted to build a gaming pc for years and when we build a high end one (7800x3d and 4080super) they thought I was super rich and I have a friend with the best pc you can make they were like whatever (full specs in my profile)
That's capitalism. That's the society you all endorse. This is your world made by your design and your action. Boomers drove a car off the cliff and then blamed the millennials in the back seat for being afraid of cars and cliffs. You even have the audacity to blame is for the crash. Disgusting generation of unaccountable parents. Boomers are the worst generation. Totally dismantled 100 years of workers rights fights in their single generation of negligence.
Sadly so much is a "show." They grew up with reality shows and that seems real to this age group. It's troubling.
That's consumerism for you. And when they grow up, they'll probably be the ones complaining about immigrants. Ironically, economic migrants are attracted by the perception of higher living standards, which is often smoke and mirrors like your boy posing in front of a car that isn't his. The reality is poor opportunity and a lack of social mobility, exacerbated by racism.
Why aren't they voting!?! Do they not know how much power they could have? Willing to go to protests (and that is a good thing) but not willing to go to the voting booth (and that's a bad thing).
Maybe it would help (assuming this OP is american) having more then two candidates to chose from...
In the US it's winner take all, so if one district has 1,000,000 votes for candidate A and 1,000,001 votes for candidate B, that entire district will only be for candidate B. And it doesn't matter how many people live in each district, they only count the total votes of each district. Because of gerrymandering, they build the districts to make sure their party always has the majority. Because of this, the majority of the people in a state can be entirely disenfranchised by the whims of the rule of the minority. So if you vote Democrat in Texas or Republican in New York, you might as well just stay home. And people wonder why they don't elect leaders to affect real change - we'll guess what? They literally can't. The system protects itself.
Load More Replies...People are happy to follow a cause these days but not happy to make the concession that no political party is ever going to represent your views 100%. The art of compromise is being lost because people are so polarised.
Like it matters. In a few years, this is the generation that will be running the country. Hopefully, I'll be dead by then and won't get to see the destruction they will cause.
Load More Replies...And on the other side there are old people who vote the same sh*t for decades just because "I always did that!". Even when everything changed. :D
Umm I heard that the republican red wave of 2022 was a dud thanks to the massive youth turn out? Sure they ALL didn't vote, but they still had a good turnout
I live in a state where it doesn't matter which way I vote, it will always be the electoral college and democrat.
We're only allowed to vote for rich, old, Republicans that don't represent us or rich, old, Democrats that don't represent us. We all got together and voted for Bernie Sanders, who did represent us, and the boomers voted for Hillary Clinton despite our protests. Y'all do this to yourself.
Why do they go to the movies only to scroll through their phone the *entire time*?
There should be an automatic function that doesn't allow you to get online if you're in a theater. Or a car.
Nope. Why should the passenger in the back seat of a car not be allowed to look at the internet? Same with the theatre. If they're actually being disruptive then kick them out. But if they're not making a nuisance of themselves who cares?
Load More Replies...Talking through the movie about every scene that everyone else is watching too. Just watch it and shut up!
I'd say that's not a generational topic... just last trip to the cinemas showed this; a guy in his late 30s / early 40s (so around my age) was sitting next to me and my boys. He was occasionally filming small scenes with his phone and sending them as GIFs to some of his contacts and continuing chatting with them mid-film.
I can answer this as someone with ADHD. Watching movies is, sometimes, like being magically trapped in a statue unable to move anything but my eyes. Dopamine doesn't come to my brain naturally so I have to kick start it in order to enjoy things sometimes. Now, these kids don't all have ADHD, BUT, TikTok and other short media have way shorter dopamine loops which effectively simulate ADHD because their brains aren't as used to waiting for long form content to give them that feedback of pleasure.
Ugh. My ex used to do this EVERY time we went to the movies. Then got upset when I called them out on it afterwards.
Everything seems to have to have a label. Not just people and groups, but every concept or just generic thing that is popular has to be given a label or a hashtag. I find it so weird, especially when it's something that people have been doing forever, but now Gen Z have discovered it, it's got some brand new buzzy hashtag label as though it's just been invented.
In Gen Z, the greatest taboo is to lack any victim status at all. You are entitled to no opinions of your own, so artistic expression, no struggles, no empathy, no pleasures, nothing. You are enemy to all around you. It doesn't matter if you grew up as the only kid whose parent couldn't afford to let you go to the ice cream truck, and you took out loans to put yourself through college, and you wasted decades dumping money down the shitter because you rented instead of getting parents to give you a downpayment, you still get to be lectured by people with wealthy parents who got a Harvard education and never had to work a day in their life about how "privileged" you were to have to stick playing card in the bottom of your shoes so your socks didn't show through the holes when you went on a job interview.
As a gen x person this bothers me so much. To have fought against the idea of being labeled so hard and turn around to a generation determined to be labeled in one way or the other. I so desperately want to tell them, baby you dont owe anyone a f*****g explanation! Be your fabulous self and keep it moving!
I recently encountered a GenZ coworker who used 14 separate descriptors to introduce themselves. ie I'm non-binary, aromantic, polyamorous, +++ I looked them in the eye and replied "Here is a tip from GenX say "I am me and take me as I am or GTFO" Cause that is all anyone needs to know
Load More Replies...Rule of the Internet #18: Everything that can be labeled can be hated.
At the same time they don't want to be labeled or categorized because they're all such individuals.
Speaking mostly for the middle schoolers I work with, but not caring about being smart, understanding the world, achieving success, or having empathy. I cannot fathom what keeps them going without caring about anything. I don't know how to motivate these kids when things like getting something wrong loudly and publicly doesn't even give them pause or introspection. They just move on and continue not caring about what really is right and wrong?
But preschool kids are eager to learn - anything and everything. Maybe the schools are the problem.
Load More Replies...This is a s****y teacher. Why? because they are describing a typical kid going through puberty. It isn't generational, it is physical. Their hormones are crazy, their executive function disappears, and their brain is getting rewired. The fact this supposed teacher does not know that this is typical for this age group means that they were probably on their phone during half of their lectures.
But still, no child is left behind. They have no incentive to care because their diploma is going to be handed to them even if they can't spell their own name.
There are so many major crises at the moment and they are feeling disempowered and disenchanted. I do have a lot of sympathy. I grew up in the 80s/90s when I was personally quite worried about climate change and world peace, but things have become so critical, and young people feel they can do so little. We need to hold up the heroes and empower children. Unfortunately, many people want children to be controlled and obey every rule, ostensibly to keep them safe but actually it destroys their hope in a liveable future!
There have always been crises going on. I grew up in a post-communist country undergoing incessant economic and social turmoil, while our neighbors (former Yugoslavia) were slaughtering each other at the time, and this was all over the news since it was happening so close by... but we never had this "don't care" attitude, despite all the darkness and bitterness around us.
Load More Replies...If you don't like how stupid our country is, stop voting for the status-quo. Vote for change. Old people refuse to act differently and are surprised the consequences of their actions aren't any different.
They’ve apparently lost the ability to step outside their comfort zone, I think. All that happens have to be safe and secure, otherwise it gives severe anxiety. No need for exploration, adventure.
This is partly because of the 24-hour news cycle and its incessant drip-drip of "danger, danger everywhere". I would say it doesn't apply to all countries. I see much more appetite for adventure and exploration here in Germany than in my home country of the UK. I think it's because kids are expected to mess up and get themselves out of it, and to take risks (within reason).
Spot on! I'm in my 30s and my mom was TERRIFIED to let me walk around town after school with my friends in a town of 2,000 people... guess she thought there'd be a dŕùĝ dealer at every one of the 6 corners in town or something.
Load More Replies...I stepped out of my comfort zone when I was 10 and decided to start sailing and now I’m the only 7th grader on the high school sailing team
Yes, "doom scrolling" is unhealthy ... limit time in front of screens, for your own mental and physical well-being!
Take risks for what? I should risk getting ended by some deranged, armed, conservative just so I can buy trinkets I don't need? Crime is a product of poverty, the old-heads horded the wealth. You want us to explore more? Make things safer. Give us effective public transit and cops that don't execute people.
Will never understand the constant need for *external* stimulation. I’m quite happy just to ponder my own thoughts. Love flying, because it gives me several hours to think on s**t without distraction. Ask young people to put down their phone? It’s as if you asked them to chop off their left hand.
Yea this one's true... I struggle with not having my phone on my 24/7 and I still remember the world pre-smartphone AND pre-internet!
So in other words it's *not* true. Because it's not about "the young generation" but all of us, regardless of age, getting addicted to the tech.
Load More Replies...I just spent 6 days without internet. I must confess it was nice. All I could use was whatsapp to send my mum photos (we were overseas)
Yup. I’ve seen students threaten staff over being asked to put away their phones. How they can justify their behavior is baffling and disgusting. That also tells me they’ may not be being raised well because their parents don’t know or don’t care whether they’re doing. 💔
And then if they get jobs in construction or manufacturing, they actually do chop off their left hands because they’re on their phones
Gen-X here - I always have my phone either on my person or accessible quickly out of habit, but then my husband fought can cancer for 7 years and I had to work - so there's that. Don't assume that everyone tethered to a phone really wants to be.
Someone took one of the phone obsessed kids phones and he started crying. He is 13 years old and plays games that were popular in 2017.
I'm manage a lot of fresh graduates in my job, and I don't understand how in the space of just 2 years (during Covid) we went from great graduates, able to operate independently and work things out themselves to graduates who need their hand held for the most basic tasks.
Take some online courses and you'll understand. The only thing that is learned, not directly taught though, is becoming better at performing online searches to get the answer. They were heading toward this same type of online learning environment prior to COVID, the lockdown simply drove the final nail home.
Old people allowed the government, by their bad voting, to destroy the education system in America. Old people complaint about the world they decided to make number 1,483,782.
How someone can be over the age of 25 years and is very comfortable to be financially taken care of by another person like parents, other relatives or a spouse.
Generational housing shouldn't be looked down at. If this was more normal it would fix many issues.
No one is talking about generational housing, we're talking about grown a$$ adults continuing to live in their parents house while contributing NOTHING to that home. My wife and i live with her mother and sister. My wife and have both been working our asses off since we were teenagers. We buy and prepare food for everyone, pay most of the bills and repairs associated with the home, as well as buying many things to improve the home. My sister in law, got her first job at 31, working as a live in maid in some rich families house. Free room and board, obscene salary, taken on family vacations, free food prepared by their personal chef. She banked $70k over 5 years....and then moved back "home". She's now 37 years old, still relies on mommy to cook her meals and do her laundry, doesn't clean or take out the trash unless she's yelled at. She contributes nothing while expecting everyone around her to either care for, or direct her every action. That's what is being discussed here.
Load More Replies...Unfortunately, as a millennial well over the age of 25 now, who is ashamed to admit is at least somewhat dependent on assistance from my family for basic living necessities and help with medical bills, I can honestly say it is hardly a "comfortable" position to be in. No matter how much I've tried over the years to work my way to actual independence, sometimes with multiple jobs or even one at 60-80 hours a week, my useless college degree and present health issues have been like a ball and chain holding me down. I can't bring myself to ASK for help, though there's been plenty of times when it's been offered or occasionally insisted, and I'm typically in no position to decline... I'm incredibly fortunate to have such a supportive and loving family, but I am ashamed every single day for essentially being an aged dependent child who should be an independent adult. It's embarrassing, not comfortable.
While I agree that part of this is laziness and entitlement, here's another way to look at it. I used to be very vocal about the government NOT paying for student loans. They're adults, they agreed to a loan, they should repay the loan. Recently however, I was browsing job postings. I saw a posting (at a college no less) for an IT Systems Administrator. Required a bachelor's degree. ... they were offering $15 an hour. So... it costs $70,000 to get a bachelor's degree (roughly), and with that bachelor's degree, the same university that you got that bachelor's from is willing to pay you $30,000 a year. Factor in housing, food, transportation.. how are they supposed to repay their student loans? I could understand if they majored in Egyptian Art or something, and couldn't find a job in their field, but this was a FREAKING IT POSITION. The thing that *really* irks me... I don't have a bachelor's. So I didn't even qualify for that $15/hour job.
My cousin has a job at some ticket place that required her to have her Bachelor's. She told me she has yet to use anything in her job that she learned getting her Bachelor's. Jobs today want you to have perfect credit, a college degree, and 10 years experience for just an entry level job that pays minimum wage. And then people wonder why I never made a lot of money having just graduated high school.
Load More Replies...Being taken care of by one's spouse used to be common in previous generations though. 🤔
Agreed. My mother never worked a day in her life after getting married. She couldn't figure out why people can't just walk into a business, fill out a paper application, and start working that day at a salary that will let them buy a house in a year.
Load More Replies...As if it's a choice! 🙄 This one's such a Boomer take. Reagan's Trickledown "economics" started the gutting of the middle class, the Great Ression of 2008 chopped of its legs, and the Pandemic took of its arms, but no no, it's the youngsters CHOICE to not move out of the parents' house and start their own lives! /s
I'm going on 30 and still live with my parents because it's affordable. OP can p**s off.
I'm 40 and my wife pays all the bills and it doesn't bother either of us a bit
Why they can navigate through an entire digital universe with ease but can't seem to find the kitchen without a GPS.
The rapid pace of technological advancement leaves me baffled. How do they effortlessly navigate through endless streams of information while maintaining attention spans shorter than a goldfish?
And yet they don't know how to set up a printer... navigating information doesn't equal tech savvy.
I am very interested in personal computers and stay up to date on new parts coming out and yes I do have the attention span of a gold fish because of ADHD
They don't! I teach university students and they don't seem to know anything about technology except how to text and post images on Instagram.
Navigating through the information should never be confused with retaining the information.
They don’t seem to care about learning to drive. I couldn’t wait to learn to drive and we didn’t even own a car.
Interesting - I suppose it depends where you live. I have never driven and have no interest in it, but I'm 42 and I live in a country that has good public transport.
I'm 40 and never learnt coz I've never been interested. I use public transport and walk everywhere.
Load More Replies...the ones learning to drive today (where i live) are forced to go to driving school. all the kids out on the road now are respecting the speed limit, they don't have road rage, and are generally just trying to get to where they want to go.
I was the same when I was unemployed and only had to take the bus sporadically. then I got a job and had to take the bus two times a day, fives days a week for up to two hours each day. I made sure I got my license as quick as I could.
My kid is almost 18 and refuses to drive or learn. I'm at my wits end trying to understand lol. We live in America where it is almost necessary to drive everywhere and the state we live in doesn't have great public transportation. I don't get it! I got my learner's permit the minute I was able to and then drivers license the day I turned 16. We couldn't wait to drive!
What state? I'm in a relatively small town in Indiana, don't drive, and don't have that problem. Get your kid a bike instead or something.
Load More Replies...Yeah my daughter didn't want to drive, but we made her learn. We live in a rural area so there'sno walking anywhereand very limited publictransportation. She is the youngest of her friends and most of them don't even have a permit let alone a license.
The U.S accounts for 4% of the human population, yet 15% of global emissions, 30% of those emissions are from transportation (individuals driving, EVERYWHERE) which works out to 4.5% of global emissions. I gave up driving at 20, over 20 years ago, because i didn't want to contribute to that bit of stupidity.
Same here. To me, a car equals independence. If I'm in a nursing home, I'll still have, and drive, a car.
This generation is incredibly aware of the dangers posed by vehicles. They realize that a car is considered a deadly weapon and they want better public transportation.
Because driving is the second leading cause of death. It is a stupid system for getting people around especially when safer, quicker, more efficient systems already exist. At the time America decided to make everything car-centric we did so with the profits of a 100 people in mind, not the well-being of our society. Just because cars are normal to you doesn't make them the best. That's just your inherent mind beating your cognitive functionality. Comprehend harder.
Their dependency on authority and lack of self-reliancy.
You have access to all the world's knowledge in your pocket, but you are only using it as a toy and when you need to learn something you are looking for a teacher.
not really. kids these days will whip out that phone to prove you wrong in an instant. the problem is they don't retain the info they are proving.
I’d rather they look to a teacher for knowledge than info on the net that may or may not be accurate.
The rule following! Oh my gosh. The rules. They're so sweet about it too. I have this discord server. It's 18+ but it's more or less safe for work. I just wanted an adults only group. Someone joined one day and immediately left. But they messaged me and said, "Sorry, I didn't realize it was 18+ I'm only 16." Like? My generation did not care. We broke the little rules. We claimed to be 18, we pirated movies and TV shows. But these new kids follow the rules. I wanna teach them a little bit of rebellion. But I think they're sweet kids. Some of them do rebel and break rules of course. But most of the ones I've seen online seem nice and polite. I hope they maintain that. I hope they find a kinder world than I did.
I have the opposite problem - students not respecting simple things like lunch breaks. Okay, I will get your thing signed and stamped, but does it really need to happen while I'm holding a sandwich in my hand?
lol and you think kids doing that is annoying? this happens in my office all the time. "oh, you're on break? well I have 6 questions for you, that all require you to look something up in your system. let me leave all this info with you, and just get back to me when you have a chance"..... i finish my break, and get back to my desk and 2 minutes later "so, have you had a chance to look?" no fucktard, i just ended my break.
Load More Replies...Yeah, back in my day breaking the rules was a talking to. Today if you allow an underage to access 18+ content, there is no talking to you, you are in deep legal poop.
When I make accounts I say I was born in 2001 when I was born in 2011
Pople complaining about youg generation doing exactly the same things as they did?
Or complaining about the consequence of how they parented - or how the kids were parented.
Load More Replies...I wonder if all of these are from the US. Because I spend my days with about 60 GenZers and none of them are anything like this. They're very self sufficient and self reliant.
I was wondering that too. The Gen Zers I know are amazing, resourceful, kind, self-assured, incredibly aware and fill me with hope.
Load More Replies...This is a rant, and feel free to ignore me, but I just LOVE how every time I, a person with PTSD, tries to inject some reason and educate people on the gray areas, moral complexity, and actual statistics of PTSD into a conversation about triggers, I get a million downvotes and people telling me that I'm the problem. I understand that a lot of people are ignorant. I understand that a lot of people have poor reading comprehension. But for Christ's sake. I feel like no one seems capable of complex ethical discussion - or compassion - anymore. The word "trigger" freaking triggers people.
I see these things sometimes. The deer in headlights look when you try to speak to them, the self-absorption. But 5 of my 11 neighbors in my close knit apartment building are Gen-Z, and they’re engaged, competent and worldly, AND more sensitive and aware than previous generations. In retail situations I see a pretty clear split: half can’t communicate effectively, half are focused and engaged, and so genuinely warm and friendly.
BP is guilty of this. Look at any comment section on here, and a number of the replies are fearmondering/doomerism/blatant misinformation. It's not cute--you legit need to talk to someone and log off, and this is coming from someone who has an actual diagnosed panic disorder. Get off Reddit, get off places that actively trigger you (a legitimate psychology term despite being misused for every little thing) and focus on things that ACTUALLY make you happy. The world isn't as bad, or as dangerous, or as horrible as you all make it out to be. No worse than it was 50 years ago (if anything, we're far better today). You simply see news in real-time versus the days/weeks/months it used to take. Leaned helplessness is very real. But I won't abide it either.
Pople complaining about youg generation doing exactly the same things as they did?
Or complaining about the consequence of how they parented - or how the kids were parented.
Load More Replies...I wonder if all of these are from the US. Because I spend my days with about 60 GenZers and none of them are anything like this. They're very self sufficient and self reliant.
I was wondering that too. The Gen Zers I know are amazing, resourceful, kind, self-assured, incredibly aware and fill me with hope.
Load More Replies...This is a rant, and feel free to ignore me, but I just LOVE how every time I, a person with PTSD, tries to inject some reason and educate people on the gray areas, moral complexity, and actual statistics of PTSD into a conversation about triggers, I get a million downvotes and people telling me that I'm the problem. I understand that a lot of people are ignorant. I understand that a lot of people have poor reading comprehension. But for Christ's sake. I feel like no one seems capable of complex ethical discussion - or compassion - anymore. The word "trigger" freaking triggers people.
I see these things sometimes. The deer in headlights look when you try to speak to them, the self-absorption. But 5 of my 11 neighbors in my close knit apartment building are Gen-Z, and they’re engaged, competent and worldly, AND more sensitive and aware than previous generations. In retail situations I see a pretty clear split: half can’t communicate effectively, half are focused and engaged, and so genuinely warm and friendly.
BP is guilty of this. Look at any comment section on here, and a number of the replies are fearmondering/doomerism/blatant misinformation. It's not cute--you legit need to talk to someone and log off, and this is coming from someone who has an actual diagnosed panic disorder. Get off Reddit, get off places that actively trigger you (a legitimate psychology term despite being misused for every little thing) and focus on things that ACTUALLY make you happy. The world isn't as bad, or as dangerous, or as horrible as you all make it out to be. No worse than it was 50 years ago (if anything, we're far better today). You simply see news in real-time versus the days/weeks/months it used to take. Leaned helplessness is very real. But I won't abide it either.
