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Learning history can be a transformative experience. It can challenge your long-held beliefs and assumptions about societies, their culture, and humanity in general.

Discovering that what you've been taught is not the (whole) truth, and that events you thought were isolated incidents are actually part of a broader pattern is jarring. But as uncomfortable as it may be, this process can liberate you, providing you with a new level of clarity and understanding.

So let's take a look at a Reddit post, created by user u/FlickTheSwitch167 that asked everyone "What historical fact have you learnt that ruined everything you ever thought you knew about this life?" And it has received a fair share of insightful replies!

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World The more we find out about Native Americans, the more I realize the entire history of the United States is complete white-washed b******t.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World I mean, I was pretty young when I learned about the Holocaust. I'm german, and we take this topic really seriously of course. It dawned on me then that the world wasn't as innocent as I thought it was back then. But I'm glad I learned about it at that young age. I was able to gain interest in that topic, and that's pretty important considering the latest events in the East of Europe. And it's important for my generation to really understand and grasp the horrors of the 3rd Reich to ensure that this won't happen again. Sadly it seems not all countries get educated that well in this topic. Not listing any names, there are many countries that now start to go into a rather fascist direction, which is more than concerning.

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Maggz Bennett
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It worries me, as a Brit, that after defeating the Nazis in WWII (along with the rest of the allied forces, of course), we are now effectively being led by politicians with a very similar ideology, especially when it comes to immigration etc. The conservatives do not represent the whole of the British people.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Ghandi was a hypocritical pieces of s**t.

Mother Teresa stole loads of money and left people to die.

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Linda Faix
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you so much. Few people realize these 2 were really narcissistic sociopaths

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potatoe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Indian you don’t know how much they basically brainwash us to believe that they were angels who were sent by (insert deity of your choice) to guide and “save” us . I’m not hating on Pakistan but had he stood firm in against the partition so much lives both (Hindus and Muslims) would have been saved. Terrassa didn’t even give people proper medical facilities saying it was “Gods punishment” however she herself was nursed in world class medical facilities. Not including the forced conversions she did against peoples will. A******s both of them. And I hate this education system that glorify them while hiding the horrors they committed. I don’t understand why they can’t / won’t show us both sides of the coin and let us decide of ourselves

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Alecto76
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I propose creating a church built around the teachings of St. Mr. Rogers.

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CalamityOne
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not an expert, but I've heard that Mother Theresa's mantra was along the lines of "suffering brings one closer to God." There was a lot of suffering under her "kindly" watch...

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Chrissyfox
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The late great Christopher Hitchens stated categorically that Mother Teresa was not a friend to the poor; she was a friend to poverty. There's a really good piece on YouTube by him about her. Definitely eye-opening.

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C.O. Shea
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And the Dali Lama just invited a child to suck his tongue. Idolatry run amok.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How could he think that was ever appropriate?! The apology was meaningless, and I dread to think about what goes on behind closed doors.

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potatoe
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh rather than religion it’s the people who commit atrocities in its name are stupid - religion evolved as way to help or actually it’s purpose was to bring different kinds of people together in coexistence however it’s not working out is it

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They fast tracked her sainthood. People who are the true saints don’t get/want publicity. They just live their lives quietly being sheep instead of goats. In Catholic high school we knew a priest (I know we’re not supposed to name names, but he has passed away and people need to know about him and what he did) Father George Leach. After being the priest for our school he went to be the priest on a rez. This was back in the 70’s. People knew they could trust him. They told him all about the history of abuse by the church. Forget the Vatican. He gave a formal & a personal apology that he meant. He built a counselling centre staffed by professionals and had the people build their own traditional healing centre attached to it. A Saint, but quietly.

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Enlee Jones
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Teresa wrote a ridiculous self-righteous letter to Ireland to protest them finally allowing divorce back in the 90s, yet when her good friend Princess Diana got divorced MT said it was good thing because everyone was miserable in that marriage anyway.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This article presents the worst of the criticism against her, but read to the end to see the responses, too. They are much more minimal, but effective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa "Three prominent palliative care professionals, David Jeffrey, Joseph O'Neill and Gilly Burn, responded to Fox [the accuser, not the network] in the Lancet and argued that it was disingenuous to single out Mother Teresa's hospices for healthcare limitations that were common to most care facilities in India. They noted Indian healthcare generally suffered from: "1) lack of education of doctors and nurses, 2) few drugs, and 3) very strict state government legislation, which prohibits the use of strong analgesics even to patients dying of cancer". They concluded Mother Teresa's homes were being unfairly held to the standards of "Western-style hospice not relevant to India."

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Chrissyfox
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's ridiculous considering the millions she raked in from donations. And I mean MILLIONS. Which apparently all went to the Vatican because she believed in suffering and poverty rather than actually helping people.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Has anyone considered taking some of the things people like these have said at face value, rather than trying to force the entire person onto a pedestal?

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Karl Baxter
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Teresa was a death-junkie. Evil to the core.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is new to me. Could some one explain it? Fairly, please

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"According to a paper by Canadian academics Serge Larivée, Geneviève Chénard and Carole Sénéchal, Mother Teresa's clinics received millions of dollars in donations but lacked medical care, systematic diagnosis, necessary nutrition and sufficient analgesics for those in pain; in the opinion of the three academics, "Mother Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross". English journalist Christopher Hitchens said that "her intention was not to help people", and that she lied to donors about how their contributions were used. "It was by talking to her that I discovered, and she assured me, that she wasn't working to alleviate poverty", he said, "She was working to expand the number of Catholics. She said, 'I'm not a social worker. I don't do it for this reason. I do it for Christ. I do it for the church'". So, she was a massive hypocrite and liar, and allowed people to suffer physically all in the name of "God".

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Theresa used to let people suffer with no pain meds because she said, "suffering brings you closer to God." She was a rotten POS.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ghandi was a raging racist, and also used to sleep with young girls and beat his wife.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I never realised mother Teresa was a horrible person. I thought she was kind but naaaa I'm not believing all her lies about helping the poor anymore.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not sure about Ghandi ( I'll have to research that) but I never understood why ppl thought Mother Theresa was such a Saint. Her "hospitals" weren't fit for dogs.

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Marilyn Russell
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I remember finding out Mother Theresa wasn’t no saint. After how much her “good works” were hyped, it was quite shocking.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually had a coworker scream I was "blaspheming" when I told them why she was definitely NOT a selfless Saint. Coworker was not even Catholic.

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Kira Okah
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Left people to die is only part. She purposely prolonged people's agony and suffering even when it could be alleviated, because she believed that "suffering brings people closer to god".

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DrGirlfriend
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

https://www.wionews.com/world/darker-side-of-mother-teresa-a-documentary-claims-she-covered-up-the-worst-excesses-of-church-477491

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Narelle Hussy
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"if the world didnt suck we'd all fall off" i tell myself that quiet often these days..

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

as an indian, how do I find the truth abt him?? ig i wanna see proof as Ive been taught all my life that the both of them were good people

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not arguing with your conclusion, but I think you should back it up with facts.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know about Ghandi but I know Mother Teresa was no . . Oops

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is, however, a huge difference between the two. Ghandi is mostly known for the stuff that he did, not his personal life. Whether he was a PoS doesn't affect his role in India's independence. Teresa's entire reputation is based on her supposed "charitable work". So the fact that so much of her life's work wasn't charitable in the least is far more damaging to her legacy.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Slightly irrelevant, but I hope that one day people will learn to write the name "Gandhi" right.

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Daniel Heys
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can someone explain what Ghandi did. I knew abt mother teresa but not ghandi

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He was a wife beating narcissist. His image was different to the life he lived. His political agenda resulted in millions of people losing their homes,lives, families and their land and freedom while he took credit for the fruits of the real freedom fighters of colonised India who sacrificed their lives to the brutal death penalties levied on them by the lawmakers who cracked down on any anti colonial movements.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

#1 for me!!! People still hardcore think she is saintly. And that Ghandi is someone to follow.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It wasn't a glitch that made Gandhi so nuke-happy in Civilization...it was a warning.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-insight/story/the-other-side-of-the-mahatma-gandhi-story-2327853-2023-01-29

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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Um, really? Just flat-out statements and we're supposed to believe them as facts? C'mon BP, how about a bit of proof behind these? This is what is wrong with the world now. Accepting statements as facts without proof. I'm not saying you're making things up, I'm just saying offer some proof to back up these "facts" in this article!

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11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Teresa saved many babies from being murdered through abortion.

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11 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Teresa is a saint. She did not steal money. Instead, she used it to build homes for dying people and orphaned children. She saved many babies from murder through abortion. Mother Teresa is a hero for our times.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, I've learned a lot from the comments. Thank you all, I really had no idea how horrible they were.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Teresa enjoyed seeing others suffer. I swear she funded her hospitals so she could watch.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Really?? I had no idea! Why do so many people put them on pedestals? Are they just ignorant like I am? I know that there are books about Gandhi although I've never read any. Are there books that might educate me to different views on Mother Teresa?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Religion hides a lot of atrocities. Religion is evil in itself and designed to control the masses. The fact that there is still religion in first world countries absolutely leaves me gobsmacked.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who do bad things are not void of wisdom. There is still value to be found in a positive message even if the person who said it didn't fully embrace it. We're all flawed and guilty of being hypocrites. The difference is our bad judgements and action are not publicly pitted against who we truly are for the world to condemn and judge.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Didn't gandhi let his wife die of a curable disease, while later when he got ill he didn't have any problems taking said medication?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thanks for calling it out loud. The cloying letters Gandhi wrote make me sick to the gut. Have seen how Teresa's home MoC in Kolkata was. There was nothing there, no food, no medicine, no doctor. Loads of poor and sick people were being told to believe in her version of God.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't know about Ghandi---- but seriously f○ck mother theresa

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Christina Watson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No one is perfect. But it boggles my mind that you all focus on perhaps some bad things they did. Their accomplishments of goodness, outweigh them all.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow. Just wow. I need to educate myself on this via more than BP. But I'm getting the strong sense I don't know jack s**t about some of these individuals.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's the platforming of people like this that makes me not trust anyone. I have severe trust issues and this is part of the reason

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Regarding Mother Teresa please supply source as I have just spent 15 minutes googling and there is no data on her stealing money. Just doing some fact checking.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep, both horrible. The Dalai Lama asked a little boy to kiss him on the lips. Creep.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Go through materials from Wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa Many valid resources. And people who suffered because of her are alive and gave their statements - that is quite strong source. Also banks statements proofing that most of money gave to her as a support of her work went to Watican when people under her "care" didn't had medicine or proper treatment.

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No one is perfect. These 2 people did wonderful things for those who had no one and no hope. What the hell has any of you dissenters done to help (feed, clothe, medicine,freedom) anyone on a scale like they did? Cancel culture scum!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Steve, I don't want to cancel these people. Theresa did not do much wonderful ... She watched people suffer and encouraged them to do so because suffering is 'christlike' . She refused to give people who were hurting painmedication while she went to the best hospitals and got all the care possible when she was ill... People working in the kitchen of her convents who got burns, would not get help... Better to get infected wounds than to alleviate pain and hurt... A common punishment was dripping onion juice in the eyes if you made a mistake ...

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Wow there is a lot of hate in these comments. For perspective, can we discuss anything GOOD Hitler brought to the world? Or the niceness of that Rwandan dictator who killed 800,000 people in 100 days? Ghandi and Mother Teresa were clearly not... Um... Saints (ahem) but the good they did in life outweighs the good I, or most of us, will do. There are others out there who deserve this hate much more than they do. We are all a mix of good and bad,the best among us included.

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Not to mention Nelson Mandela who was a terrorist who set bombs killing women and children. He wasn't a political prisoner, he was in prison for murdering innocent people.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was infact against the apartheid regime who was also killing and torturing people on a daily.

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Sorry, but I think both of these statements are exaggerated. Not being able to solve all the problems of all people does not make a person a terrible human being. Both of these people struggled with limited resources in the face of infinite challenges.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mother Theresa took money people donated for the poor and used it to line the Vatican's coffers. She purposely kept patients in horrid, squalid conditions because she thought suffering brought you closer to God. She rubbed elbows with murderous dictators and spoke out on their behalf. She had plenty of resources and opportunities to do the right thing. She chose not to.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World I'm from Texas, born and raised.

I found out within the past few years that the Texas Revolution was mainly due to Mexico outlawing slavery and Texas... not wanting to do that.

So everyone at the Alamo essentially died to preserve slavery. Yay.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i have lived in texas my whole life and i didn't know this even though i took texas history last year-

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World The church began the vow of celibacy for priests, not for any Biblical reasons, but so the priest didn’t have a spouse or any offspring who could inherit his wealth. This way the Church inherited all of it.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World That we domesticated pigeons thousands of years ago and then decided we didn’t want them anymore. People treat them like vermin after we relied on them for so much (food, messengers etc)

The pigeons you see in your cities are not wild, they’re abandoned.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The ending of the last sentence, ‘ abandoned.’ Pigeons are actually highly intelligent!

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Old norse runes were found carved up like 20 feet in a cave- when they were translated, they just said "this is very high"

God I love people aksjsj

FireEnchiladaDragon , Kalle Gustafsson Report

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World African kings were the ones who advertised their people as work force/labor to the world.

They died regretting those decisions.

Amasero , Damian Patkowski Report

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World “It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?”


- Norm MacDonald

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

History books are written by the winners, I'd love to see history through the loser's pov.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World When I got older and realized the countless atrocities the United States has committed. Genocide, collusion, bombing our own cities. I used to feel a sense of safety knowing that I lived with the good guys and we stood for justice. That feeling is fleeting

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not to mention overthrowing other democracies around the world. Read up on Iran.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Ancient Antarctica was actually a rainforest, a lush and verdant paradise, filled with flora and fauna.

Despite the interesting fact that there was a whole continent of animals who lived on this planet that we’ll never know about - as their remains are locked beneath miles of ice - it blew my mind that Antarctica only fully froze over about 35 million years ago, despite breaking from its supercontinent ~ 180 million years ago.

That means Antarctica supported independent life for ~ 145 million years, which ruined any sense I have for time and perspective. We really are specks on this planet.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a large lake somewhere under the permafrost in the middle of the continent. Who knows if there's any aquatic life still living in there or if there's any frozen over that is unique to that lake.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World If you look at the history of mankind, you quickly see that nobody ever learned from our history.

Plastik-Mann , Eugene Zhyvchik Report

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Can't remember the exact quote but it went something like, If the entirety of human (Homo) history was condensed into a 500 page book, modern anatomical humans wouldn't show up until page 450, and homosapiens wouldn't build empires until page 490, the atomic bomb and the foundation of Rome would be on the final page and only a paragraph apart. And yet in all of this the vast amount of technological advancements from the discovery of the atom to the modern day would fit in the last few sentences, of the last paragraph of the last page. And people wonder why we are reckless, we're still effectively great apes, but with shiny toys.

JitterySuperCoffee , Max Mishin Report

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World The inventions of Nikola Tesla and what little Edison actually invented himself

0odreadlordo0 , Renewable Energy Report

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World The Irish famine was an opportunity the British took to commit genocide against the Irish. They were intentionally starved, while other crops were shipped off island to the British citizens.

Nintendorian , Tomasz Filipek Report

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. I have a degree in Irish Studies and this was brought up early and often throughout the course of my degree. It was overwhelming at times to read the individual stories and statements.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Leopold of Belgium,treated congo as "his personal property"
And people who failed to collect enough Cocoa had thier hands/the hands of their kids cut

And france forced Haiti (one of the poorest countries ever) to take a loan from a french bank,to pay the french government "a compensation for kicking the french occupation and slave traders out"
They paid it for nearly 100 years,
I knew humans could be s**t but somehow i thought there was a limit

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never assume any limits to the depth of human depravity or stupidity

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World 95% of native people before Columbus died of diseases brought by explorers. That's 19 of 20 people, for two continents.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Columbus was a pr!ck, and all he brought were disease and misery.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World There was a Spanish explorer that first visited the Inca empire and saw lots of prosperous cities and a great civilisation, and told his peers about it when he returned home. But when other folks went to visit the siad cities they found nothing but jungle and thought the explorer lied about his story. The fact that blew my mind is that nowadays we discovered that his story was true and the people he encounterd died from diseases brought into the new world and the cities and civilization they build were consumed by jungle in the spam of a few years

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World I grew up in a conservative hometown. When I was in late college, I began to learn how the Bible is essentially a long game of telephone and one where the members playing telephone purposefully exagerrated and changed what they repeated to the next person.

The Bible was written by men who never met Jesus, who got their information about Jesus from other people, in a time period that relished mystics and it was normal to change facts, did not have any understanding of "facts" in general or reliability. The men also changed what they wrote about Jesus based on political changes at the time.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You forgot about simple mistranslation. There's a bunch of that too

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World I spent a lot of time at the library in my early 20's and learned that the Old Testament isn't very old and some of the oldest stories are just copies or much older Sumerian myths. The Exodus has no real world evidence whatsoever, and the Egyptians ruled over the holy land for thousands of years without ever mentioning the Hebrew people until the Bronze Age Collapse.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And that whole baby in the Nile story was REALLY common among the "important" people.

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The Japanese murdered more Chinese than the Germans did Jews. We praise Japan for their society and technological advances and despise the Germans because of Hitler. Whats worse? The Japanese boiling babies or the germans corraling jews into gas chambers? Yet the Japanese don't get much mainstream attention for all their atrocities.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We don't despise the Germans any more than we despise the Japanese. Neither Nazi Germany nor Imperial Japan survived past 1945.

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As an African, probably learning about all the empires and developments on the African continent. Things that fly in the face of the claim that Africans were backward savages.

We probably know more about the empires in the northern parts of the continent but other developments like the Kingdom of Zimbabwe and Mapungubwe, the latter whose discovery was kept hush-hush because it didn't fit in with the narrative that justified continued colonization of Africans.

There's another more newly discovered civilization, named the BoKoni, that's still subject to all sorts of rumours just because it couldn't have been Africans that did that.

That even the "huts" some Africans lived in were a proactive choice because of certain advantages they held such as their ability to deal with the local climate and not simply because that's all they knew.

A bunch of little things that make history seem a lot less "black and white".

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, Timbuktu. I took a couple of courses from a woman who became an Urban Anthropologist, in Africa. This teeny, tiny Jewish woman from Connecticut (as she described herself) received quite a few raised eyebrows when she voiced her career intentions. She spent years in Africa studying urban cultures, and of the past cities, before most people even recognize that people in Africa were capable of great civilization. The knowledge was there, but most people didn't want to hear it.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Victorian era London was a terrible place to be alive as a member of the working class. If I recall correctly. You could pay a penny to sit indoors on a bench but no sleeping! Two Pennies and you could swing your arms over a rope and sleep standing up or if you made hella money that day you could pay 4 Pennies and sleep in a coffin. The water is undrinkable and children expected working hours were 12 to 18 a day starting at 4 yrs old. By those standards a lot of us would look like royalty to them.

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I once heard a saying that goes *“if you trace someone’s ‘land’ back far enough in time, it was bought in blood.”*

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Prior to 1976 student loan debt could be discharged immediately after graduation by filing for bankruptcy. Then the "education amendments of 1976" stipulated that student loans could not be discharged in bankruptcy until five years of repayment, barring proof of "undue hardship." 1984 this was extended to cover private student loans as well. The "crime control act of 1990" extended the period before which bankruptcy proceedings could commence to 7 years after repayment began. And in 1991 the six year statute of limitations on collection was finally eliminated after it had been enacted in 1985. By 1998 there was a big push to eliminate any methods of discharging student loans via bankruptcy and seven years later, in the year 2005, all qualified student loans (including most private) were excepted from discharge with the passage of the "bankruptcy abuse prevention and consumer protection act."

Since then there have been a few attempts to give modern college educated people the same fighting chance that the old college educated folks had, but to little avail. Many of the same boomers that vote against helping college grads get out of exorbitant debt are the same ones who had their own college education funded by taxpayers. Still think those old folks in politics have the people's best interest in mind?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The problem here isn't stopping people from intentionally abusing the bankruptcy process to bail on student loans. The problem is the cost of a college education (in the US) in the first place.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World There are graffiti that got preserved in Pompei and Herculanum. Because they didn't have paper, public announcement were directly painted on the walls.

Some of those graffiti are on par with what you can find on the toilet's wall of trucker's stop. "i f****d the barmaid", "Felix f***s like a god", "Take of your clothes and show us your hairy privates"

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World That Oxford University is older than the Aztec empire.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay bored panda, I don’t really like being ‘that guy’, but… This is a photo of a Mayan architecture (temple at Chichen Itza), not Aztec.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Learning about the depth and breadth of slavery in human history was a real eye-opener. We have really detailed documents from more modern history to show WHY that idea is so heinous, but it's always been a significant part of cultures all around the world serving as anything from a social construct to the very currency of war and with autonomy ranging from that of livestock to that of a low caste. Evidence of slavery predates written records and is even included in the code of Hammurabi where it was already an established institution and we still haven't stamped it out today, April 10th 2023, where slavery affects an estimated 46 million people (that's more than the total population of California, and approximately the population of Spain). It's crazy how awful humans have always been to one another and that we still can't seem to hold each other accountable for basic human rights, despite indelible proof.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Humans and a few monkeys are the only species, I believe, who kill for reasons other than survival. Our big brains do us little favor.

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#29

No one outside of America thinks the Puritans were a bunch of sweet, oppressed, morally-pure goody-goodies.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Puritans were clearly religious fanatics. They were thrown out of 3 separate places.....England, Holland, Brazil.....before settling in New England at a time of year when it was too late to plant a crop.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World When I learned that NASA had discovered over 100 billion GALAXIES and seeing the image to put into perspective that our entire solar system is only about the size of a coin compared to our galaxy which in relation would be the size of the United States.

We are so incredibly small within the universe.

Edit to add: Here’s a [photo](https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2021/hubble-gazes-at-a-galactic-menagerie) of just a snippet of the various galaxies. Keeping in mind, we haven’t even ventured outside of our solar system which is within our Milky Way galaxy, just a grain of sand in context to the universe.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World That Napoleon wasn’t cartoonishly short. All those cartoons were a lie…

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British rule of India caused at least 10 famines yet we almost hear nothing about it

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The issue is more complex than this. Famine occurred on the Indian subcontinent in the areas ruled by English interests AND in areas ruled by Indian princes. It was also the English who first studied how to prevent famine and came up with the Indian Famine Code guidelines that were modernised by the Indian government..

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It broke me the first time I learned that the library of Alexandria burnt down, and the scholars at the time still were trying to decipher parchment from even older and more ancient civilizations. I heard that and instantly realized we don't deserve our own intelligence

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That, during WW2, all the other countries did not help the Jews escape from Nazi Germany, but on the contrary, closed their borders! For instance, the St. Louis was denied at a number of ports, until they finally had to return to Denmark, which was under Nazi occupation. They COULD have let those Jews on board in, say, Cuba or Florida or wherever!

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That when the pyramids were being built, mammoths were walking the earth. Woolly mammoths lived there until 1700 BC. The Great Pyramid was completed around 2560 BC.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Lived there" don't you mean "here"? Gotcha, you scaly skinned lizard alien people!

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As someone who grew up going to an evangelical church at least 2 times per week, Alan Turing's story is the one that made me re-examine what I thought I knew about homosexuality being immoral/unnatural/sin. I was probably 19 or 20 at the time.

It's probably the most pivotal thing that led me to question more about my faith despite it being so vitally important to my parents.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the two things that convinced me religion wasn't real was original sin (ie: a baby wouldn't automatically get into heaven) and that dogs wouldn't be there either. I was pretty young at the time but it was like "you're saying this place is perfect", "Yes", "But my dog won't be there.", "No he doesn't have a soul". "Well I'm out".

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World More of a fun one, but lighters predate strike matches by a couple centuries. They originated from repurposed flintlock pistols that ignited tinder shoved in the barrel that were set aflame by the trigger mechanism.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That actually makes a lot of sense… kinda sad that we have more advancements from weapons than other useful items.

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I always grew up thinking that something like 50-75% of all white Americans owned slaves during the 1700s/1800s, my mind was kind of blown when I learned that it was closer to 1-3% of Americans.

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25% of white families in the south likely owned a slave. In a few southern states (Mississippi for example) that number is closer to 45-50%. However, I was speaking about all Americans and not just those in the south.

It's possible if not likely that the overall number of whites in America owning slaves were closer to 5-10% rather than 1-3%, however my point stands that I always assumed it was closer to 50-75%.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Think about it. The majority of white immigrants arrived in the US during the 19th century. Most white Americans are only 3-5 generations away from being immigrants, whereas black Americans' families had been there at least double or triple that time.

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I saw this in a WWI documentary. It's not so much a "historical fact" as much as "holy s**t I never thought about that"

We are taught that during the Great War, the allies were the good guys and the central powers were the bad guys. There were no good guys. Both sides used chemical warfare, both sides experimented with new tactics, both sides tortured and killed each other.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WW1 was basically a family squabble between European royal families. Except instead of throwing plates or slamming doors, they sent millions of poor people to their deaths

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That I'd been living in the same society with all of those people who hatefully protested racial segregation in the 60s. They just went into hiding when it became socially unacceptable to wear your bigotry loud and proud. I no longer wonder what makes such a person as I get to watch the actual people announce their bigotry loud and proud today. Ignorance was bliss.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a white male growing up in the south I always wondered why if the klan was so proud of what they represented why did they hide behind the hoods? Show your faces, you cowards!

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Willing to see Japanese folks to share what they learnt about the relationship between Korea. From what Japanese were taught in school, they “industrialized” Korea when they actually colonized and tortured millions of Koreans.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The Koreans were ruled by almost everyone multiple times over the centuries. The Korean War Museum has an entire timeline of who ruled them when you first step inside the building. It is sad but really educational.

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#42

That the Middle East was once then center of knowledge and learning, particularly Bagdad. As well as the amazing extent and advanced civilizations in South and Central America prior to the 1500s.

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#43

Ruined in an interesting, not bad way: ancient Greek and Roman polychromy.

The Parthenon temple looked a bit like Disneyland.

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50 Historical Facts That Have Completely Ruined The Way These People See The World Being raised in all catholic schools it was really surprising to me to learn that a lot of sections in the bible and a lot of religious practices were instated by people who basically decided so and justified it with ideas that were hammered to fit whatever they said

Like it wasn't always that priests had to be celibate. Some pope decided that they should be and that was that but really all it would take to reverse that is a pope to say otherwise and a bunch of cardinals to support it. And it doesn't really matter what religious texts say, since the chuirch basically controls the "official interpretation", they can say whetever they want

edit: to the based redpilled people out there being all "oMg dId YOu ThINk rElIgionS aRe ReAL", yeah no, the surprising part was to learn how easily the church can change any aspect of their dogma when they actually manage to agree on it. And if their own texts refute said change, they can just say "oh we looked at it again and it actually means we are right now"

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thus Martin Luther's rebellion, and the Protestant Movement...which really changed nothing, because most people still rely on other people to tell them what the Bible says and what it all means. But at least it is no longer illegal or heretical to translate it into any language, and to read it for one's self, if one is so inclined.

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Not necessarily a historical fact but more of a fact of history; out of everything we know, there is so much more we don't know and simply never will know.


Even worse, the a lot of the things we believe we know are from commonly accepted theories that are held onto by elitist, ageing historians which only become refuted and debunked as they literally die off. The field of history as much as history itself is so ridiculously fascinating.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why I think Heaven has a giant library. So we can learn what we missed, if we want to. Hear that, God? Books! I want books in Heaven.

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#46

The real reason chainsaws were invented. F**k that.

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#47

Not really ruined, but have you read Ben Franklin's diaries and s**t? Dude was a dirty horn dog.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bed Franklin had an estimated 60 children out of wedlock. I think Franklin was the real Father of our Country.

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#48

That Cleopatra is closer in time to us than the construction of the pyramids.

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#49

That African Americans were "bred" once the slave trade was banned. I was so sad once I learned that. Those poor people. I cry sometimes when I think of that. No wonder there is so much hate.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a reputedly haunted plantation house where they still have the "breeding" records. Supposedly, one male slave had been used at stud for several hundred children

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95 percent of our species' history is lost forever.

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