What hobby is an immediate red flag?
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3. Anything that involves harm or hurt to animals and/or their habitat.
Do people who hurt animals really call that a hobby? Better yet, do people who don't hurt animals think someone abusing an animal is in anyway called a hobby? I don't understand why this is being listed as a hobby at all?
I agree and would up vote but sometime animal or their habitat must be compromised for solid reasons. For example draining a swap to reduce yellow feed, malaria etc. seems ok. Malicious or unjustified harm ought to be more than a red flag I'm thinking felony time in a small room.
The instances you gave as examples aren't hobbies.
Load More Replies...Gun enthusiast. I have no problem with responsible gun owners, but if you openly carry a gun everywhere you go, I'm running.
Why does everyone seem to need a gun? and why so many guns for one household?
I live in the US. I don’t own a single firearm. No in my family does either. The only people I know who own guns, are hunters. The problem isn’t the responsible gun owners who have legally purchased and registered firearms. It’s the criminals
Load More Replies...I used to date a guy who was one. Well actually he didnt just like guns, but any type of weapon. His room was supposedly filled with all types of weapons. It always made me uncomfortable when he would talk about any type of weapon because of how many he had.
Excessive involvement in social media. I don't mean using social media in general, I mean excessive use. Like, when someone's life exists only on and around social media and they spend an unhealthy amount on them and spend their time on what their social media image looks like.
And it’s severely affecting people’s “mental health”, especially teenagers
What're the quotation marks for?
Load More Replies...There was this guy who had an entire, HUGE room in his house that was filled to the brim with rows of shelves and cupboards. And upon these shelves there were apparently what seemed like thousands of anime girl statues, glass jars filled with precisely different shades of colorful Lego bricks, and some big bags just lying around stuffed with stuff-I-don’t-know-and-doesn’t-want-to-know-either. The Lego bricks were kinda neat though, but the red flag was that he literally hoarded cats, hamsters and bunnies. These poor animals were just running around, wrecking havoc and leaving poo everywhere and not being cared properly, and he absolutely ignored like it was nothing. It was really damn absurd. The hygiene levels in that house was horrible, he was cruel to his pets, but he managed to keep that room with shelves always in top condition. I heard he later got reported by a neighbor because of animal abuse and hoarding pets he probably had no intention of caring for. (No offense to the people collecting stuff out there, that’s nice. Hoarding pets is not.)
The animals is where I'd draw the line there. Collections (of whatever sort, so long as they aren't say... a wall full of drivers licenses that don't belong to the collector!) aren't a bad thing.
Well, maybe not a wall of driver's licenses if you’re a serial killer. Might be a dead giveaway, displaying "trophies" of your hobby.
Load More Replies...OP really buried the lead. He has an anime and Lego collection. Who cares? He's hoarding animal in an unhygienic home!
Ppl who hoard animals/pets at their homes while neglecting them is disgusting
This is a mental disorder. Be grateful that you're health and don't judge.
Load More Replies...Animal neglect and hoarding by themselves are red flags. If the house is so bad Idaho CPS would take the kids is a red flag. I specify Idaho because they are fluid about a lot of things. Like not requiring electricity in the summer.
Hunting. Killing animals for sport is disgusting.
Killing animals for entertainment is something I'll never understand. There are some super rich guys organizing periodic huntings in the Carpathians. They explained that this was how they "get together". Every year there are hundreds of wild boars killed (and no, the number of boars is not excessive). Following strong criticism, they decided to move it somewhere else and make it very private.
Feral hogs are rampant in the Southern US. It’s a very serious issue. 10 million roaming free causing $3 billion a year damage
Load More Replies...What if you're culling the ones that need to be gone from sickness or because of overpopulation? And if you use all the parts? I agree if it's just for "kicks", but most hunters I know are very animal loving people that honor the creatures and use everything they can.
If it is for food, then I don’t judge the people, but I personally don’t like the hobby. If it is for sports, you are a horizontal person for doing it
You are supposed to eat what you kill. Not just start a minigun and mow down every animal in sight
I personally don't think I could kill any animal but as long as it's not for fun and the use most if not all of the animal then I think it's fine
The overwhelming majority of hunters are responsible and use the meat to eat. There aren’t people out there frothing at the mouth at the thought of killing an animal
Killing for sport, I agree. Culling (where disease and overpopulation can cause widespread issues) is another story.
uhh,, killing people?/j In all reality, I kinda think that non-stop arguing with people online is a no-go.
Well we can't date then. Agree about the non-stop arguing though, that's just annoying.
I upvoted in confidence that this comment should have been followed by a sarcasm disclaimer
Load More Replies...arguing with people all the time online is so funny and entertaining what else are u doing esp because some people are so insufferable they deserve it
It absolutely is not fun to argue with people online all the time. It's not funny and not entertaining. I think everyone is sufferable... (see what I did there? ;) )
Load More Replies...Sports Betting. The occasional bet is fine or even a low-key weekly pool, but when they start betting if a team is going to walk counterclockwise under a full moon while wearing away jerseys, that's not a hobby, it's an addiction.
That was... really specific? I don't even understand most sports, or why people bet on them
I think some of the concern with betting comes down to how much the person bets too. My husband does like to bet on the sports he watches. He may even bet weekly during certain sports seasons. But he’s betting like $15 on this or maybe even $50 on that if he had a great week of sales. It’s never anything we couldn’t afford to lose and I think it makes watching the games a bit more fun and exciting for him. But I do understand how a big chunk of people don’t keep it under control or become too obsessed with it. So I feel like sports betting can be a hobby for some or an addiction for others. Hopefully, I’m not justifying my hubby’s behavior to make it feel okay! Lol.
You seem to have a rational perspective on what sounds like a harmless hobby. The key detail you said was "It’s never anything we couldn’t afford to lose..." If it ever crosses that line then it's undeniably become an addiction. As long as the money he's betting counts towards his discretionary spending budget, it's not an issue.
Load More Replies...Taxidermy. "I kill them, then I stuff them and then I put them on a shelf in funny little poses"
I am not sure that is how the native tribes do that.
Load More Replies...If they're a hunter and they use every part of the animal I don't see this as distasteful, but I get that it's not everyone's preferred home aesthetic. Killing an animal just for the trophy repulses me though.
Any kind of extravagant bragging is concerning.
Load More Replies...Working with dead things for a job is a societal necessity. But for fun is creepy.
Collecting flags of communist countries.
Any sign of supporting communism. I lived in the last, darkest years of communism in my country. There was hunger and cold and humiliation, and FEAR. I was taught to distrust people (anyone could be a secret police agent) and never tell anyone that my parents were listening to Radio Free Europe (which was illegal). Minor offense (such as making a joke about the dictator) could get you and your family arrested, tortured and jailed by the secret police.
I would say the problem is one of totalitarianism. I lived in the dark days of a far right fascist country. We had hunger, humiliation, and fear. I was also taught to distrust people (anyone could report you to the military police) and always be careful who you talk to about politics. My father was a journalist, and was thrown in prison. College students and professors were regularly killed by the military for being communists (whether or not they actually were communists, or just against the dictatorship). Dictatorships are the problem, not their chosen economic model.
Load More Replies...Interesting you say that because we have a lot of communism nostalgia here in africa, that's why so many african states are neutral on putin. They remember the soviet support for removing the colonial powers.
Sorry, but aren't communism and fascism two different things? Fascism is certainly a problem, but communism as a concept should work in theory. The problem is humans are capitalisitic by nature (zero sum attitude), so the a truly communist society is not achievable without forcing it on people.
I think you must understand the definition of communism as it is, NOT as some totalitarian, fascist, dictatorships want you to believe. They are liars and only want power for themselves. That's NOT communism, no matter what they want you to believe. What you are talking about is the incorrect colloquial use. It's a bogey man. There aren't communist flags, because communism as defined, has never existed. You might want to refine it to collecting flags of fascists (or whatever it is they are). THIS IS scary.
For me, a lack of hobbies or interests is a huge red flag. It can be an indicator of someone who has a chameleon personality, meaning the morph into the perfect partner by taking in the personality of their latest source.
This was me before I had a light switch in my head. It's survival from childhood. I didn't know how messed up I was until I finally faced all my pain hurt running and hiding. I set boundaries with my narcist mom and she still won't admit to a single thing for my brother and I to heal and be better. I was a bad person who had a bad idea of the world. It so sad how much of my life I waisted. Starting to find my identity at first I was so lost. I didn't think the same hear the same. I care so much more and I can speak up for myself and others. No more false pride look at how good I am. Still trying to keep unmasked! Cognitive therapy starting from childhood is great.
I’m really glad you worked to discover yourself and who you are. It takes a lot courage.
Load More Replies...So people who don't have a hobby are suspicious or viewed as having something wrong with them? I'm just trying to understand this persons mindset. Because I hope they aren't implying that about people with no hobbies. Hell most of us don't have time for hobbies. Even though we want to and I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with that. Or a reason to give me pause about a person.
Or indicating depression. Of course it took me into my 40's to find hobbies because i didn't grow up knowing how to play.
Being in the top 1% at boredpanda ;)
I've only been on bored panda about a month and I don't actually understand what the points are all about can anyone explain.
I've here for a while, but I didn't know we had points until you said something, and then I looked at my profile. I have a lot of points, although I don't have a basis for comparison. But if I went to Dave and Busters with this many points I could probably get some headphones.
Load More Replies...I upvoted you, so maybe someday.....
Load More Replies...Top 1% of what exactly? They don’t say, but I’m sure that everyone has a category that fits the description.
Load More Replies...I’m kind of active on this site and am now in the 1% of all time so i guess I’m a walking red flag 🚩
Same, and I only have 2.1k points because I've been responding, making posts, and making random jokes. I've been here for about 2-3 years.
Load More Replies...I think it’s based off of upvotes and how many post and comments you make but I don’t really know.
yeah, i think so too. btw, I love your profile picture!!!!
Load More Replies...I only joined recently and got into the top 1% of the week, and it is now listing me as top 1% this month, so give me a wide berth too
I used to have a friend who would collect the underwear of the girls he slept with. We were drinking one night and he told us it was like trophy hunting.
Sounds like he was really for the streets. Sleeping around with that limp noodle. Lol!
Being “quirky” where you diagnose yourself with every disorder that’s ever existed
Yes. I also get annoyed by people who have never been to a doctor but tell people they have an anxiety disorder, or adhd, or any other disorder that truly affects people. And they say it because they think they are special in some way and don't realize that everyone experiences anxiety and it isn't unusual to experience depression and a lack of focus occasionally throughout your life. But saying you have these conditions/diseases as a blanket statement with no diagnosis ends up watering down the seriousness that people take it when someone who really does have a condition says it. Anxiety conditions are crippling and embarrassing and life-threatening in some cases and because so many people say they 'have bad anxiety' people now are almost afraid to say it because they know they're going to get an eyeroll from others.
I couldn't leave my house for 4 years. Lost career and 2 wasted Master's degrees and so many pill addicts I couldn't get meds that helped for another year after I forced myself to find a new psych dr.
Load More Replies...My response is usually "if you haven't seen a doctor about it, then you're not taking it seriously, so why should I?" and that usually shuts down their fake apology.
Here's an issue I have. You have words that can mean a severe disorder, or an every day feeling, such as depression and anxiety. If you tell someone you have an anxiety disorder, their mind goes back the last time they felt anxiety, and perceive it as such. They assume your anxiety feels like their anxiety, and don't understand why you are, "making a big deal of it." We need better education about mental health.
As a person professionally diagnosed with autism, adhd, bipolar 1, and generalized anxiety disorder, I feel this one deeply.
Making household items out of humans? Big red flag, Ed Gein!
I'm from Wisconsin and we tend to have a to have a lot serial killers for some reason? Maybe too much cheese? But Ed Gein is one of them, Ed Gein, a serial killer who was infamous for making skin suits out of his victims, has been the inspiration for more horror movies than anyone else.
Load More Replies...Doll collecting. I'm not talking antiques. I love antiques and we own quite a few porcelain dolls. I'm talking I walked into a guy's house and he had shelves upon shelves of every single doll possible. Porcelain, barbie, baby, cabbage patch, you name it. It wouldn't have creeped me out so much but they were placed around like trophies and he was super defensive of them when I asked. I gestured to ask if I could pick one up and he said "I'd rather you didn't." He seemed like a super nice guy, but all I could think about was those crime shows where a guy kills some kid and keeps a toy as a momento.
my sister also likes collecting antique dolls and the coca cola bear stuff. OMG is she a serial killer!!!!!!!????????
This creeps me out, too. There are certain things that will always weird me out when I see adults doing them. Like participating in things like My Little Pony and Hello Kitty. Or adult coloring books. Even adults who are a little too into Disney World freak me out, lol. I love Disney/pixar movies, too, but some people are suuuuper into disney world. There are worse things to be, I know, but it just bothers me when I see adults very serious about these hobbies instead of it just being something occasionally fun or nostalgic.
"Do you like my knife collection? These ones over here are for skinning carcasses....."
i have a great freind who collects swords and knifes coolest person ever.
I have a small knife ollection (not more than 300..:-)). The knife is mankinds oldest tool. I would never leave home without at least one knife in my pocket. Collecting Knives (or even swords) is the same as collection dolls or poststamps, the only difference is that you can use them in your daily life,
Pretty sure we were using sticks and dull rocks (for pounding/hammering) before we started flint knapping to make knives. You still make a valid point that knives are certainly one of our oldest tools, but claiming they're "mankind's oldest tool" is an unnecessary stretch.
Load More Replies...I just started dating this guy years ago. He came to pick me up for work. This was the first time I had been in his truck. I opened the door and there was an open beer in the cup holder. I should have said,"No thanks." and got a ride with a coworker. We continue dating and I start noticing he has a drinking problem. I overlook it because I thought it was the one. One day, he explains to me what is to happen should we get pulled over. I "admit" the open container belongs to me. I would never drink in a vehicle so I was perplexed as how I would convince an officer I had been drinking all the while breathing a 0.00 into a breathalyzer.
Having an open beverage container in a moving car is federally illegal, and the driver bears sole responsibility; full stop. Cops make an exception for non alcoholic beverages, but even that is technically against the law. For an open beer, it doesn't matter at all if someone other than the driver claims it's theirs, having it open in the car would result in a suspension of the driver's license. Drinking while driving and conspiring to have you lie to the police to protect them are NOT merely red flags, they are total disqualifiers. Getting in that truck was a stupid, stupid, stupid mistake. Thank you for sharing your mistake so others can learn from it.
Oh, that officer? That's my p**s bottle, go ahead and take a sip if you don't believe me.
Load More Replies...100% agree. went on a date and guy insisted he needed to go through the drive-through at a liquor store. bought a giant beer and proceeded to drink while he drove. while one beer probably is fine to drive with, it was still weird. why couldn't he have waited? needless to say I didn't agree to a second date.
That's a crime. I'd say committing a crime on a date is a little more than weird.
Load More Replies...Clubbing. I personally couldn’t date someone who goes clubbing.
hmm i suppose it takes all types to make a world, but I personally prefer someone who doesn't mind it.
I went seal clubbing once. Had a club in each hand. It looked like a trolley dash
Is it something about the night clubs or are you opposed to dancing?
I agree. I think for certain ages groups this is a typical social activity (I’m thinking early 20s but that’s just my opinion). It’s like the active version of going to a bar! And, it may, but doesn’t have, to involve alcohol. I also think it matters if they are doing this on school/work nights or just on weekends too.
Load More Replies...Watching TV nonstop.
To clarify, I mean when this is literally all someone does in their spare time. I'm all for binge watching a show now and then but TV and nothing but TV is kind of sad.
But what if your spare time is only 1 or 2 hours a day?
Load More Replies...Being a furry
I see furries at the Renaissance faires. Some of those masks are impressive. We have one that has about 4 different ones that I've seen. He wore one this year that knocked me off my feet. It was a raven and it was amazing. I've asked if they could help me make an owl. Not all furries are a fetish the ones I've seen are masks feet and hands then a costume of a character. Capt Peebles is an otter pirate wh o carried either a fish or her baby otter (a stuffed one). In her mouth and people absolutely love them.
I'm a cosplayer. Cosplay literally helped save my life, in a time when I was suicidal. I made many friends who are furries, and they are some of the most friendly, kindest and accepting people. Its only on the internet and in TV shows that they get vilified, treated like perverts. Most do it because they love dressing up and interacting with people. Its like Halloween and a party, with the added bonus of people wanting to take your picture and telling you how awesome your costume is. Hating furries simply because its 'popular' or because you saw it on some crappy episode of CSI about how 'weird' they are is much more of a red flag than being one.
really? we arent that bad. its literally just cosplaying as a character you made. we are harmless.
I agree to a lot of these. they are actually concerning things. but this one? Get bend, OP.
I think furries are generally harmless, we all have kinks, as long as nobody's getting hurt and everyone is an adult and consenting, who cares?
Habitually smoking cigarettes or cigars, especially around non-smokers.
Again, why is this a red flag? You don't like smokers? Just don't date one or don't be friend with one.
In itself, smoking is a habit and/ or addiction. But I have met people who have gone beyond that. Like... smoking pipes because they started collected them and they can talk hours and hours about pipes. A friend I had felt that it matched his goth look (🙄) to have these cigarette tube-thingies and he started collecting them and some were narrow and he had to smoke different brands/types of cigarettes to use the different tubes. Collecting smoking-related items in itself is not bad, imo, but it seemed to make the collecters smoke more than they "needed". Don't know if this is super relevant to the post
Someone who collects flags is probably going to have an immediate red flag somewhere.
Sheldon Cooper is a famous vexiologist (Flag lover) . He hosts the excellent podcast "Fun with Flags."
Lol having a confederate flag in that flag collection, or the hobby of collecting racist items (ie; confederate flag symbol, Nazi symbols, tshirts that say "white power",KKK materials, etc).
i have bad problem of eating the skin in my mouth
Do you also have skin picking disorder? If so, please see a specialist and a therapist (it typically is a stress-related disorder).
Oh my god wait. Really? Because I 100% have thing about skin picking and it take so da.mn much to stop myself and you're telling me it's an actual disorder? I always thought I was just incredibly incredibly weird.
Load More Replies...I did that mostly when I was a teenager; now in my 50s only a few times here and there. Why is this a red flag? It's nobody's business. I don't think my husband even notice. Someone downvoted you, so I put you back to zero.
Not a selfless act if you feel the need to say something about it so others would see and give you praise.
Load More Replies...Maybe talk to a specialist about Body Focused Repetitive Behaviors (BFRBS), I have the same problem, it really sucks. Hope you’re alright.
i have problom of picking my skin when im stressed
Load More Replies...Collecting coca-cola stuff. it can fill houses, is never ending and it's ugly merchandise too
I see this as more of a "our home aesthetics are incompatible" rather than a red flag, but I realize that's semantics. It's also worth considering that once a collector starts collecting, it's common for friends and family to gift them items for their collection, so it can snowball pretty quickly.
My friends/neighbors like the Pillsbury dough boy and have about 6 different statues. She's lat 60 and he's 83. Kinda weird I guess
Anyone who can go into a long discussion about WW2. Not wars in general, the causes of, the political impact, or even the military machines etc. Just inexplicably "World War 2" as an overall topic that usually ends with them saying Hitler was right.
I get pulled in bc I enjoy learning history. Sometimes it is a convo beginning about tanks or invented weaponry and then BAM, Hitler was a great planner and I'm like, haha oh no.
Load More Replies...I mean... the WW2 part is fine by me. The Hitler part is where things get dicey..
yeah I know a couple people who really enjoy the history of the war but none of them have been on Hitler's side. I think one of them just really liked the airplanes they used
Load More Replies...It sucks lol. I know plenty of people who find the politics of war interesting. I think there is a ratio or a certain cough personality disorder cough involved. I know of someone who romanticized and fantasized about Bonnie and Clyde. I'm glad I wasn't there for that chat revelation. They also turned out not to be a great person.
Load More Replies...Now I feel old bc I didn't know about this meme, thank you for teaching me Lol
Load More Replies...Hmmm..... the history faculty at any uni will be filled with red flag-ppl, then. And also, ppl are allowed to be interested in a specific time in history even ww2 and not be interested in it for political or ideological reasons. The non-political interest can develop into an interest of the war. And that's ok!
It is totally possible to have varied interests, and knowledge is power. It is been my personal experience while living in the lower USA, very red political state, with lots of Pride in Heritage. Lawl at how many people replied with Not All Afficianados or Not My Teachers, bro I'm glad your history proffs were good people and not problematic. I have a friend who was taught the number 4 by writing SS lightning bolt symbology, as in you then connect the lines and erase half the SS. The number of convos I've been relieved to share a love of history with that was snuffed out by "Hitler was a great strategist" followed by how they would be a better Hitler is more than 2 which is entirely too many. Pardon the luls, also surprised since this was 2 weeks ago, this is the most interaction I've ever had on bp, algorithms be wild. Hope you're having a good day
Load More Replies...Urgh, don´t remind me. WW2 was the last we had in history class before graduating. then I went to another school for further education, and guess what? The first thing in history we did there was WW2! Shortly after we finished that unit in that school, we moved and I went a new school. You guessed it! WW2 yet again in history. And German class this time via Anne Franks diary. Dear lord, the only subject besides WW2 I remember doing in history class is ancient Egypt.
Was it at least better history lessons each time? Different focus the teacher talked about?
Load More Replies...At least, every doubt he did not succeed but lost has been brushed off by history when war in europe was over already, just saying ... my race isn't that superior after all. Who woulda thought.......
I'm not sure how much of it is aided by online echo chambers or by country of learning. I'm well aware at this point in my life that the USA teaching of us as The Heroes is total bs
Load More Replies...I live in the USA so I guarantee every country has their own added points taught in school. And I would argue that unless you specialize in that knowledge you likely won't know the details of wars that don't involve your country. Hell depending on your friend group, it might not come up in conversation ever. Tldr: WW1 was supporting political neighbors after an assassination WW2 was Germany trying to rebalance after WW1, a long with other nations, which the rest of the world went, we can't involve yet we are still healing too. Until the Axis pissed off nations who finally got involved. There are many many wars that most of the world does not openly get involved in.
Load More Replies...1. Eating as a hobby 2. Shooting, any fascination with weaponry, military.
I havea fascination with weaponry, technologies of any kind( Even Military), and martial arts. I want to learn martial arts once I can earn enough. And I would like to learn forging, etc. and make myself some weapons. Would I be a red flag too?
for that person, probably. But I've learned I don't need for everybody to think I'm awesome, just the ones who matter to me. :)
Load More Replies...I don’t understand. So, enjoying food/being a foodie? Or eating in excess?
How is liking military a bad sign? It's interesting how some tanks, fighter jets, and other military equipment works.
Some war tanks were actually fake and just made to distract the opposing army.
Load More Replies...People who say sorry all the time when it's not sincere.they just use as a excuse for bad behavior.
I've been known to say sorry to a lamppost at 9 in the morning - and I don't drink.
Load More Replies...1. Dicing (as we call it here) / Drift-racing. It means you are either toxic masc or low income or both. 2. Drinking as a hobby, like that's what you do in your spare time. 3. Smoking pot. You're welcome to do it but I won't date you because you'll just be argumentative and argue in circles, and have red eyes most of the time. Speaking from experience. 4. Watching TV as your main hobby. It means you are not able to do anything useful.
Not sure I agree with some of these. Not all spare time has to be sent doing something 'useful'. If someone wants to watch TV or drink on their own time I dont think we should be saying its a red flag because it isn't productive.
Being low income isn't a red flag, what kind of twisted prejudice is that? And looking at these comments you seem pretty argumentative yourself.
Don't understand point 1. Point 3 says nothing about weed. Only that your experience is with argumentative people who also appeared to smoke. And 4 is just bs. Why do I have to do something useful in my free time? Work and chores is already useful enough. Surely those other 3-4 hours can be used to relax. Think the main red flag is yourself and that attitude
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Load More Replies...Maybe drift-racing is something different here, but it's a very expensive hobby, so I'm not sure how they could also be low income? Also it's inclusive of all genders? Unless maybe you are talking about the kind where they just have an old car and ruin it on the streets at night?
My best friend is big into drift racing and is trans, as well as being one of the nicest people you'll meet. Definitely NOT the toxic masculinity type. And yes, its very expensive, my friend has spent as much as twenty thousand or more on building cars.
Load More Replies...This is so f*****g dumb. Because somebody likes drift-racing it means they are a toxic masc? Shut. Up. By your logic, I can say that if you like knitting then you're a toxic feminist!
So long as they're driving on an actual racetrack I agree with you. Street racing is dumb as hell though. My tennis doubles partner in high school died in a street race, and he just as easily could have killed someone else.
Load More Replies...Seems like this one person was in a less than great relationship with a person who did these things and now anything that person did is considered a red flag.
What kind of pot heads does this person hang out with? I’ve literally never met argumentative stoners!
I'm slightly concerned that hobby is being used in cases that are not hobbies at all. Like animal abuse. That's not a hobby. What is going on here?
I'm slightly concerned that hobby is being used in cases that are not hobbies at all. Like animal abuse. That's not a hobby. What is going on here?
