People List Things Parents Should Stop Teaching Their Kids And Explain Why They’re Harmful (50 Answers)
Kids are the future. One day, we’ll all be old and gray while our generation’s children or grandchildren are the CEOs, politicians, doctors, scientists and educators making the world go round. Every loving parent works hard to ensure that their kids grow up to be productive, empathetic and well-adjusted individuals, but despite our best intentions, sometimes dangerous ideas find a way to permeate these young minds.
Last week, Reddit user Savings-Actuator-571 started a conversation by posing the question, “What harmful ideas are being taught to children?” And thousands of people weighed in with ideas they heard as kids or have observed being taught to other children. Whether these lessons are taught intentionally to protect kids or learned through society and media, it’s important that adults are aware of what ideas are being taught so we can either shut down these messages or steer children in the right direction.
Below, you’ll find a list of some of these harmful ideas being sold to kids, so you can know what to look out for or what ideas to avoid accidentally passing on yourself. Be sure to upvote the responses you particularly resonate with, and then let us know in the comments what other harmful messages you’ve seen taught to children. Then if you’re interested in reading Bored Panda’s last article on the same topic, you can find it right here.
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Abstinence only sex education. Seriously, teens are going to have sex, even when told not to. Teaching them to be safe while doing it is not going to increase the odds of them f*****g.... It is just going to decrease teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.
Also, teach them about consent, learning what they like and respecting other people's boundaries. That is what they really need to know about having sex. Not telling them not to.
I think we can get taught both. That there's no shame in abstaining, but also clearly teaching about consent and safe sex.
Load More Replies...No sex education means that your kids will learn sex by porn, practice or from other kids. That means unwanted pregnancy, rape or STDs. If you aren't comfortable taking about it, buy them books.
And along those same lines, demonizing hickeys and stuff like heavy petting. Yes, I know. hickeys are "trashy". But 14-18 year olds aren't gonna necessarily be high class socialites, are they? And heavy petting is probably the BEST alterative to intercourse. Obviously you had to have had sex to have this child, so don't act like it doesn't exist
Yes! We need to have open communication about sex. If we can break bad patterns so not all they learn is from porn (because that's what's going to happen if we don't talk about it) is nothing but a GOOD thing. Porn sucks as an educator(especially from a woman's perspective) so please talk all you can and create a safe space to ask questions. Teens are filled with hormones and curious- of course they are going to have sex. If we don't demonize it they will probably be more open to listen about the importance of consent, communication and safety.
Seriously. Bought the boys condoms. Dad taught them how to use it. As soon as my girls are old enough they going on birth control. I will die on this hill.
I'm a bit torn on putting girls on hormones without them actively asking for it though... That messed me up a bit as a teen and it took me a while before I was able to say no to it. Also hormones won't protect you from std's and I'm pretty sure it will be harder to push on using a condom while on hormonal bc. I understand wanting to avoid teen pregnancy at any cost but something feels wrong about forcing girls to change their bodies for it (compared to using a condom that's temporary and don't come with side effects). I'm not sure I would be ok with potentially giving hell to my daughter and sort of take away her right to make her own decision what she wants to put inside her body... I fully agree with providing condoms to all genders though.
Load More Replies...There's a lot of evidence that those countries that have age appropriate sex and relationship teaching in schools have far lower levels of teen pregnancy, and teen STDs, and also have, on average, a higher age at which they have their first sexual experience (and are more likely to categorise their first experience as enjoyable and welcome). Teaching children about sex benefits them in many ways.
Kids are extremely impressionable. And while it may seem like they’re not always listening or paying attention, they are probably soaking up everything they hear adults say like a sponge. Though many moms and dads have the impulse to parent the exact same way they were raised, as it’s easy to repeat what we already know, this can be a surefire way to pass on the same harmful ideas that we were taught as kids. For example, if your father always forced you to eat all of the food on your plate, regardless of how hungry you were, you might think, “Hey, I turned out fine. I can teach my kids the same thing.”
However, if you actually take the time to stop and consider how that affected your relationship with food, you might decide that’s not the best message to be spreading to your little ones. When we take time to consider what’s being taught to children, we might realize that there are harmful ideas being slipped into our lives all the time. And although it’s too late to correct how we were raised, we might be able to make some things easier for the younger generations.
“Anyone in this classroom able to play piano?” An elementary school teacher asks.
Nobody raise a hand until this one little girl doubtfully raise her hand.
“Really? You can play piano? Please show us how you play.”
With a heart pounding so hard like it’s never before, the little girl plays a simple classic song. Definitely not perfect; missed notes here and there but she keeps going. After she finished playing, the teacher says “What was that? It’s not a real song. Anyone else able to play piano?” Everybody laugh. Later, the little girl begging her parents to let her quit her piano lessons.
It happens to me when I was about 8 years old.
If people are wondering why kids are mean and bully, the answer is: adults taught them to be.
I totally had teachers make fun of me in class in jr high. Never thought about that being bullied. Just had a break though.
Load More Replies...In the 70s, our teachers used to read out everyone’s test results in front of the whole class with praise for the top marks and ever more condescending remarks for those with the worst marks. Ritual humiliation on a weekly basis.
So many teachers enable and encourage bullying in school. Happened with me and it's happening with some of my kids' teachers too. I wasn't a popular kid at school and I used to sit at the front of class so I could get on with my work. For example kids at the back making fun of me, calling me a wierdo and throwing stuff. Cue teacher calling me "the weirdo at the front" and also throwing paper at me. 50 year old man trying to be in with the cool kids, absolute cretin of a man. Recently my kid was called a "Karen" by one of the class bullies for telling him not to destroy someone's sculpture in class. Teacher now refers to my kid as "Karen" because it makes the bullies laugh. It's like Mr Arsehat from my school had a son or something.
Exactly! They either want to be in with the cool kids now when they weren't when they were IN high school or they want to relive high school popularity. I don't know why they can't grow up & not do this. My husband was a high school teacher & HE didn't do this. Of course, he was Chinese. More grown up than most white people.
Load More Replies...I hope OP has learned to love playing piano again. It provides such solace to me when I play.
"I'll Be Glad When You're Dead, You Rascal You" ? Certainly not "Hot For Teacher".
Load More Replies...Similar thing happened to me. I was 7. Music teacher asked me to come to his piano in front of the class and play something because I raised my hand when he asked if anyone was learning music outside. I played a simple happy birthday song because I was extremely self conscious. Couldn't have managed anything harder. But I was proud of myself and had a big smile on my face, till the teacher asked with a sarcastic smile "Is that it?" Still one of my most embarrassing memories.
I was in junior high and overweight and not athletic at all. The gym teacher was notorious for being mean and he had set up this obstacle course that I struggled to get through and was the last to finish. Of course all the other kids were laughing and making fun of me. The teacher had us line up after and I thought for sure he was going to say something about me. I was right. He yelled at all the other kids who were making fun of me and gave me a little recognition card for never quitting the course. Some adults do try to stop it, it’s just they are the minority which so unfair and sad.
Though I love all kinds of music, I have no facility for playing an instrument, and especially lack the manual dexterity—-ambidexterity, tbh, in order to play the melody with one hand and the chords with the other—-needed to play piano, so anyone who can play, even if they miss a few notes here and there, play way way better than I ever could. And, especially if they’re only 8 years old and can play a tune recognizably, even with missed notes, I would be duly impressed and openly appreciative.
That woman shouldn't have been allowed anywhere *near* children! How absolutely traumatizing for that poor child!
That childish teacher was disgusting. Good on you for being courageous and playing for your class! Unbelievable the way some ppl are so callous. Thankfully I think most teachers are thoughtful and kind. And there is a huge difference in being very intelligent in the topic they are teaching and knowing how to teach ( how to convey the information to their students in a manner that is easily understood ). Their intelligence is squandered in the field of teaching if they cannot be a "Teacher" to their students; including being kind. I had one such history professor in college who could recite historical accounts from memory like he was a computer. But the his hour long monologues based on his personal experiences left students scratching their heads as to what to study for tests even after specifically asking what to study for.
Your parents are always right.
That can’t be done, it can go no further than the highest.
Load More Replies...Apologizing to your kids when you've messed up helps the relationship and sets a good example.
I am a parent and surely I am not always right. We're all human
They are not always right. They make mistakes and are their own persons with their own experience. But they think what they do is right and I dont judge them for it. I forgave my mother for how she raised me and yes, some things were right as it turns out.
George Carlin had a bit about this. He said the problem is that parents don't want their authority questioned; which is the truth. Problem is that when kids hit their teens and realize their parents DON'T know everything, it only adds to them wanting to rebel against the parents.
Load More Replies...Absolutely true. Also, if you are a parent - please admit to your kids when you realize you are wrong and apologize. It won't cause your kids to listen to you less - it's the opposite. Also learning your kids that it's ok to change your mind after better facts are presented.
No, we are not always right, it's good to admit when your wrong to your kids. Teaches them responsibility for their own actions.
I cannot disagree with this being wrong. Parents are right most of the time, but ALWAYS isnt true.
I have this saying i like in situations like these: "The only truth about absolutes, always is never true."
Load More Replies...My father constantly says this and it's really annoying. He's joking each time, but it's not funny.
There are also ideas being passed onto kids through society and media. I’m sure we all experienced this as kids as well, regardless of what decades we grew up in. But as children are becoming more and more plugged-in, with access to cell phones and social media at extremely young ages, it has become much harder to control what information they have access to. In 2018, the average age for kids to start using social media was 12.6, but it’s likely only gotten younger since then, as Cleveland Health reported last year that half of kids between the ages of 10 and 12 are already using social media apps.
So what’s the impact of all of this internet use on kids? Well, kids online at a young age are likely to take part in dangerous online behavior such as having online-only friends (that could be adults for all they know), visiting sites not intended for young audiences and participating in online harassment and bullying. Kids that spend more time online have also been noted to experience behavioral changes like becoming more irritable, experiencing increased anxiety and seeing a drop in their self-esteem.
I used to work at a movie theater back in the day and I'll never forget witnessing a kid pick up their trash on their way out like a responsible person and their mother instructing them to put it back down because it is not their responsibility. Probably way more harmful things being taught to kids, but the story just came back to my mind.
I hate walking out of the movie theater and seeing so much trash left behind. my husband tends to do that too, so I make sure to loudly say "we ate this, it's our responsibility to take it to the trash. What kind of human doesn't clean up after themselves???" And people around just walk look away and walk out faster XD
Thank you!!! As a movie theater employee, it is one hundred percent not in my job description to be everyone's personal janitor
Load More Replies...We went to a movie theater birthday party. My kids were appalled of the state other kids left the theater. They were throwing popcorn and candy at each other, a few kids spilled their drinks and didn't say anything. My youngest said they were so disrespectful and felt bad for the staff of the theatre. Made me a proud parent.
We always bring a bag to cinema and put our rubbish in it as were going along
That's an amazing idea. Totally stealing it. :)
Load More Replies...You would not believe the amount of straw wrappers I pick up on a daily basis & people who have said out loud, "I don't see a trash can, so just leave it there" to their kids (yes, there most definitely was a trash can directly next to you)
Load More Replies...And this is what tthe "somebody else's" mindset ends up being when this person becomes an "adult." Pictures are from my neighborhood. Screenshot...4efbd4.png
She taught him classism, a very hateful way to treat people as less than human based on some arbitrary status definition. She failed as a mother and as a person.
That anyone you spend time with of the opposite sex is automatically your boy/girlfriend. Instills the idea that you can only be friends with those of the same gender as you, which is messed up.
"What did you do at break time today?"
"I had fun playing with Sarah."
"Oooh, is Sarah your girlfriend?"
I totally agree it pushes harmful things on the children making them think they have to starting dating any friend that’s the opposite gender of them.
It's also a generational thing. Both my mom and my grandma say girlfriends about their friends. They just mean it as girl/friend.
Load More Replies...I visited a game shop twice in the same month, with two different boys I was friends with. The guy working there made fun of me for "going through boyfriends so quickly" or something like that, and laughed when I irritably said "we're just friends". I was thirteen at the time. FFS.
I get that it's "just teasing" but it can f**k with a person's romantic experiences later in life. They might feel pushed to have a boy/girlfriend immediately and panic date the wrong person. I could be wrong with the panic date thing, but f*****g with their love life is going to happen
At the school I work for, at least half the kids think they have to have a boyfriend/girlfriend and they're weird if they don't. It's disgusting, honestly.
I'd forgotten about that. One year in particular there was this pressure to have a boyfriend. I think it was grade 4. I'll have to check my class photos because I still remember the 2 I had.
Load More Replies...Absolutely! Maybe one day most men won't be jerks when a woman wants to be a friend. "Just friends" is not a bad thing!
Had lots of my cousin’s friends ask me if I was his girlfriend because I he didn’t look like me and I was a year older -_-
I had that happen with a cousin. I'm an only child and the only cousins I ever saw were boys. We'd hang out, and if we walked around town, people would say we were dating. 🤮 Just like I prefer guy friends, and any time someone learns we're both single, they ask why we're not dating. "Um, maybe because I do not remotely feel anything but platonic friendship for him?"
Load More Replies...Wow this is one that I never even realized could be harmful in this way. The reason *I* never did this to my kids, and why I didn't like it when other people did it to them, was that I didn't want them to feel embarrassed. But OP is absolutely right about it instilling the idea that you can't "just be friends" with someone of the opposite sex.
Qualifying degrees of friendship - best friend, boy/girl friend. Being a child is fluid - today's 'best' may not be 'best' tomorrow. Kids don't need that demand from adults for who is who in their pecking order.
I wish I had guy friends! It would help me understand the male perspective so much more since I grew up with only women in my life. My parents divorced and I didn’t have a relationship with my dad. So…..no idea what guys are/ how they operate basically.
As a guy who has lots of female friends, I think I can pretty confidently say that there aren't that many differences between males and females. We're the same animal with just a few hormonal and structural differences. Any other difference is just stuff that society has forced us into that doesn't really matter.
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“Boys don’t cry!”
Whoever came up with that one.... Everyone should be able to show their emotions. That f*cking macho culture is just so sad... Men are still men, even when they show their tears. No shame in crying.
I had to teach my husband this. When we lost our son his dad actually told him he had to stay strong for me. The f**k he does. We can both lose it a*****e. Ugh. Toxic culture indeed.
Load More Replies...We had to have our little pussy cat put down a few weeks ago, trust me even 68 year old boys cry!
I'm so sorry. Saying goodbye to a beloved companion is so hard.
Load More Replies...Honestly, that's why I can always talk better with women. They don't have the "b******t-filter" like men have. You can talk freely with women about your feelings. At least that's my experience. Of course there are also men that are like that, but in general, women are more open to their feelings.
“Are you bleeding? Physically hurt? No? Stop crying” “That’s nothing to cry about” “STOP CRYING OR I’LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT” “Ugh you’re such a crybaby, your uncle is embarrassed to be seen with you” “Stop it you have no reason to cry”
Also, the "why are you crying?" "stop crying now" thing....like that has some really long-term effects.
add to that "boy's don't wear pink/purple/whatever colour" and "boys don't play with X" etc etc. Toxic gender stereotypes need to f**k off.
Or the “ are you on your period?” Whenever a girl shows any kind of unhappy reaction..
Me and my son were watching King Kong and he was trying not to cry. I told him, you can cry, it's sad he got sh .t. I'm not sure what outside influence made him feel that way. After that we watched Tinkerbell and told him he shouldn't worry what people think.
According to child psychologist Dr. Kate Eshleman, adults need to keep a close eye on their little ones when they’re online because it’s easy for them to enter dangerous territory. “Kids don’t have the cognitive and executive functioning to think through harmful situations and why those might be a bad idea,” Dr. Eshleman told Cleveland Health. “So sometimes they’re placing themselves in physical risk.”
This could include sharing too much information like their address, where they go to school, their parents’ names and professions, their phone numbers or even worse, credit card numbers or social security numbers. Kids can even be pressured to partake in dangerous viral trends, which often circulate on websites like TikTok and Instagram. And of course, it can be extremely difficult for children to know whether a person they meet online is a predator. Even people they do know can cyberbully them, but kids often don’t understand when they should and shouldn’t engage. It’s best to teach them that they should limit their time online in the first place, contrary to what they might be hearing from the world and their friends.
That questioning authority is a bad thing.
People of authority aren't always right or safe, so it's not necessarily a bad thing to question it.
"Never question authority. They don't know, either."
Load More Replies...Question authority absolutely, and preferrably when you have a valid question.
Also that there is a time and place to do the questioning. There are occasions when authority should just be accepted and times when it should absolutely be pushed back against - the thing to learn is the difference
Load More Replies...Teach your kids to follow their gut. If it don't feel right say something!
The problem is that our "gut" isn't always made for the kind of world we live in, and hence it functions based on some outdated rules. E.g. it tells us to eat food high in callories, because it was programmed to work in a world of scarcity, and that gives all kinds of problems today. So sometimes we have to go with logic over the gut feeling, and e.g. go for a walk despite our gut feeling tells us that we should lie on the couch, or put in the work to the homework instead of playing. Trusting your gut too much also makes you vulnerable to exploitation by all sorts of con-men, who are dangerously aware of the human biases, so they know how to hack into your emotions and make your "gut" tell you want they want you do. Have you e.g. noticed how commercials often give you that nice warm feeling in you got, when thinking about that product, which makes you want to get it. Your gut can often make you aware of important stuff, but you must know its limitation and when cold logic is better.
Load More Replies...It is the duty of every new generation to question authority, because it is generally in the hands of previous generations, who may have been right for the context of their own youth, but times, and their zeitgeist, change radically. Young people are supposed to start forming, and advocating for, their view of how the world should work—-and it is generally so much better than the view of the generation before. Believe it or not, each generation pushes us toward, and not away from, becoming more civilized. Even the recent past was not as civilized as the present, if you look beneath the surface—-there’s a pile of s**t under all the whipped cream of the “good old days” that some seem to want to bring back. Also, of course there are knuckledraggers trying to pull is back and reverse our progress, but as is evident now, from indictments and negative world opinions of the so-called “leaders” of those knuckledraggers, our better sense, driven by the young and our concerns for their future, always wins, overcomes the knuckledraggers, and not only regains lost ground, but pushes forward as well.
This! As a college student, I'm loaded with work right now (and still browsing Panda🥲). I wanted to write a letter to the Director of our college requesting her to address the work load. In the next five days alone we have nine lab exams, regular and extra classes, assignments to submit and apparently an Industrial Visit. My head is spinning just thinking about it. When I told mother, she said it would simply make me a target for the teachers rather than them finding a solution that helps us. Unfortunately though she is right. We just have to suffer through this because we are not in school anymore and 'college is like this'. I feel so helpless
You may want to address it with the individual professors first. You could try bringing it up as a question (ex. Do you have any advice on balancing the workload for your class?) instead of phrasing it as a complaint. Some profs will just be as*holes because they can be, but most will try to help. If there's a TA, you could also ask them for advice. Best of luck!
Load More Replies...If parents taught their kids that questioning authority is not only good, but your duty, we wouldn't have so much dumb politicians in power, or corpo rats behaving like they can do anything just only because they are wealthy or has success at something. Hide your argumentum ad verecundiam in your a*s. If you are wrong your are wrong, i don't care who you are.
I think much of this is a particular American thing, although you also see it to a lesser degree in other countries too. Seeing how the journalist plays into the poleticians agenda and treat them like idols being honored that the politicians are will to spend the time talking to them, rather than pointing out the holes in their policies by asking critical questions is despicable. The Amercian ambassador certainly realised the cultural difference when meeting the Dutch press and journalists that would not let him get away with presented undocumented claims about muslims burning poleticians in the Netherlands, or let him off the hook without answering their questions. His mumbling of "This is not how things works guys" got just the right response: "This is the Netherlands, you have to answer questions". ...and when the attempt of cutting of the conversation ealy with "if there is no further questions..." got emidiately stopped with, "we do" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thIRJLsnIxY
Load More Replies...It's all about how authority is questioned. Respectfully is always a good way to go and will usually gain points with said authority figure. Accusatory or inflammatory will not usually end well. Bottom line...treat others (even those in authority) the way you'd want to be treated.
Lot of parents tell their children to always question authority (I e. Teachers, not parents) with out teaching them why or how to do this. Authority needs to be questioned, but not for the sake of being argumentative.
Oh yeah.... There was a situation where a plane crashed and hundreds were killed, because the first officer (junior pilot) did not dare to question the captains decisions despite being fully aware that his actions would not lead them to a good place. After that the crew training procedures was changed so the captain and first officer worked more like a team and either was encouraged to speak up and take control, in situations where the other one obviously had "lost it". Sometimes even the most senior people make mistakes, so the art is to realise this and make them aware of the error and the consiquenses it can have in such a way that they can keep their pride and will not fight what you are suggesting.
That if someone teases/bullies you, that person may like you. Basically teaching kids at a young age that it's 'ok' when someone is being mean and rude to you.
Or even worse, teaching kids that abusive relationships are not only ok but possibly "better" than non abusive ones.
I got this one as well. Boy kept bullying me at preschool and I was told "oh that just means he likes you!" Said boy went on to bully me - including physical assaults - right up until year 4, when I finally left that damn school.
I only ever heard that bs if a boy teases a girl (or telling girls that they need to overlook certain rowdy behaviors of boys because boys will be boys and they as girls are more mature) Has anyone ever heard this the other way around or same-sex?
I have. Not necessarily as physical as boys, but I and my friends in primary school thought it was okay to make fun of boys if we liked them because of what we heard from adults/tv. I am ashamed to say I very clearly remember one time where the boy I had a crush on fell over I yelled out 'kick him while he's down!' and pretended to kick him.
Load More Replies...Or that you asked for it. You *must* have done something to trigger them and if only you had been more submissive it wouldn't have happened. Or that bullies will go away if you ignore them long enough. They never go away. They escalate. Or that you *have* to be nice to them because they are immature/might be experiencing problems/just jealous/overreacted/too sensitive/ we don't respond in the like/ turn the other cheek/pray for them, etc. As you might have guessed I f*****g hate bullies and have a laundry list of reasons for why.
I do too. I had a friend who was a bully. I'm a girl & she's a girl. From the first time I met her she wanted to wrestle me. She was bigger than me. I didn't want to. She always found ways to play in which she could hurt me. One day in high school we had a disagreement. She hauled off and slapped me quite hard across the face, WTH! It was months before I spoke to her again. A few years ago on FB she posted a meme about how she'd slap anyone who deserved it! I felt like adding, "And an get arrested for assault too!" Well, at least I married far better than her, a fact which she commented on one time when we were both still very young. I'd never even given it a thought. I didn't think that way.
Load More Replies...I always remember being in school and these guys would be like pulling on girls' hair or like annoying them and I'd never understand how that's a good thing...still don't....rightfully so because it wasn't/isn't.
I don't get it!! I'm (very possibly) aroace and even I know if I had a crush on someone I wouldn't bully them! If you have a crush, don't you want them to like you back?
The whole idea of this makes absolutely no sense. Most of the time this phrase is used for people ages 6-9 and during that period in your life you don't even experience romantic attraction, let alone sexual attraction.
Load More Replies...Those are the people falling into the wrong relationships over and over again, it saddens me...
even if the person bullying/teasing you DOES like you, they should show some respect instead of trying to get you to like them by being rude.
Welp time to get downvoted. I’m a proponent against bubble wrapping kids feelings. I’m not saying let’s bully and abuse the children, but we don’t let them feel tough things anymore. And I’m not here to get political or anything. I’m just saying, kids aren’t encouraged to explore trails of thought without acting on them, they’re not encouraged to be scared or push themselves physically and mentally, they’re not encouraged to challenge status quo and I mean real status quo, not the whole “society will tell you this but don’t listen little timmy” meanwhile every other kid is being told that thing and not doing it. Yes let kids laugh, but also let them know it’s okay to cry, and if they want to hold back the tears sometimes, that’s okay too, just, don’t go your whole life trying to keep things “good”. Bad things in our lives make us better sometimes and we don’t always have to suppress that as terrible as it sounds.
Life is often unfair, unkind or unequal. Children need to learn that and how to cushion the disappointments.
“Bubble wrapping” doesn’t teach endurance. Life isn’t going to be all roses and unicorns, it can be tough and often cruel as well. You’re either a victim or a survivor. I’d rather be a survivor. I liken it to the difference between wheat and buckwheat. In a strong wind, wheat bends then breaks and dies, while buckwheat bends then stands back up and lives. Wheat is rigid, unadaptable, and weak, while buckwheat is flexible, adaptable, and strong. I’d much rather be able to bend than break, and would want my children be the same..
Load More Replies...Don't hide your finances from your kids. Tell them when you're having a tough month. Or a c**p day at work. When they learn about vulnerability and helping one another, it will prepare them to be better humans with empathy.
And don’t shield them from words like cr@p. Looking at you BP. Kids don’t even come here
Load More Replies...My mom died a couple of months ago. My 89-year-old dad kept apologizing to us for crying and breaking down- at the Wake, at the Funeral, when we got together as a family. I am the only one among five of his children who encouraged him to grieve openly, and to stop apologizing to us. I am still flabbergasted that no one else spoke up… and I had to spell it out, too. ‘Dad, the woman you were married to for 61 years just died, suddenly and unexpectedly. THAT IS FREAKING SAD!!! Of course YOU ARE SAD, this whole thing is SAD!!! WE are sad, too, because THIS IS SAD!!! Of course you want to cry, so quit apologizing and just cry!’ Everyone else in the room suddenly found a spot on the carpet that was so utterly fascinating that they simply could take their eyes off of it. Grown adults, with grown adult children… incapable of finding any words of comfort to their grieving father…
People often do not know how to deal with their own feelings and even less with other people expressing their feelings. I hope your words did not only help your dad but also your siblings - sorry for your loss!
Load More Replies...I try to be honest with my kids bc I tell them world is cruel and youve got to toughen up or it will eat you alive. Ive also given them a voice which alot of my friends disagreed with but my kids.
I am of the opinion that kids should be told everything nothing should be kept from them. Be it a desease in the family or a general disappointment. They should be showed how to deal with 'bad' emotions and they should be exposed to all the world, stop cushioning. They will see blood and death one day, why not prepare them when they are young?
This stems from all the nonsensical participation awards where everything's fair and just and right and... extremely unrealistic. Those poor kids will get knocked on their butts as soon as they enter the world as young adults.
Yes! You! I like you! My parents have overprotected the c**p outta me that I learned to shower by myself when I was TEN because my mom was scared I’d freakin DROWN it was my sister who taught me! Sorry getting back on topic, I have terrible social skills, and no ability to deal with challenge and frustration!
Don’t worry. I feel you. I’m autistic and have social issues as well. Besides, the way you explained was perfect. I was able to take showers and baths and brush my teeth by myself by the time I was 8-9, but whenever mom asked if I did any of those things and I said yes cuz I did ofc, she wouldn’t, believe me, say I did a bad job, and sometimes make me DO IT AGAIN. Whenever I say I’m gonna take a bath/shower she says “okay I”ll be there!”. No mom. I didn’t ask for you to help me. I can take a damn shower all by myself. And then, welp time to be embarrassed, she would F*****G FORCE ME TO LET HER BRUSH MY TEETH FOR ME. The weirdest part is that even when she makes the choice she blames me for not being Able to take care of myself, and she calls me a toddler. So parents, if you baby your kid this way and f*****g blame them for “not being able to do it.” Wake up and realize that you did this to them. Luckily, I was able to still be able to brush teeth hair etc.
Load More Replies...My mother said that she considered homeschooling me at one point because I was having such a hard time at school, but that she decided against it because "you were going to have to face the world sooner or later". (Yes, I know homeschooled kids aren't necessarily sheltered and it's a bad stereotype! But that was the basic sentiment; that she was tempted to keep me away from other kids and teachers I didn't get along with).
Children who aren't allowed to do anything will grow into adults who don't know how to do anything. We have to try, sometimes fail and then learn. This is how we develop the ability to think on our own, actively search for solutions and learn to deal with frustration. Parents who are sheltering their kids from everything negativ rob them of these possibilities to learn and grow.
Another potentially harmful idea that children are sometimes taught is that they should be scared of everything. Well-intentioned parents sometimes shield their kids too much and teach them that there is danger lurking around every corner, from strangers, school shooters, neighbors, the internet, films and even foods they could choke on. While it's important to be honest with our kids about the inherent risks in the world that they should be cautious of, kids should also be allowed to embrace their natural bravery. Kids are usually not scared of much, until they have a reason to be, and the last things they should be worrying about are falling off the swings or having an intruder enter their homes. They should be free to dive head first into life, and yes, they might break a bone or chip a tooth now and then, but that builds character. Raising children that are too scared to ever try anything new will not set them up for success later in life.
Finish everything on your plate!
I developped severe digestive issues because of this. I've always been tiny. When I wasn't able to finish my plate, my parents insisted I had to eat all the meat at least (no, not the veggies, the meat!) Which happened every day, so I ended up eating mostly meat and too much of it. I was constipated, bloated and nauseated all the time. And it didn't make me any bigger.
I was scared of eating because my mother just insist on how ugly an d disgusting I was. So at 2-3am I ate all I found, those years really hurt me. I tried so hard to be good for her and be beautiful (no fat) as my sister. I’m blonde and I even put my hair darker like my sister. My sister was the one who always told me that mom was a bad person and that I was beautiful but the damage was already done. I leave house at 20 but I struggle with eating disorder. I got really sick and now I need to watch that I don’t loose any more weight. I’m so much better now
Load More Replies...I read somewhere that always finishing even when full can be a bad thing. Eat when you're hungry, and stop when you're full.
This has been a recent turnaround based on science and research. But yeah when I was a kid we were expected to eat everything on our plate. I remember one particular instance when being served left over mashed potatoes. And then when I tried holding my nose so I wouldn't be able to taste them, that was forbidden. Power struggle ensues in which I end up still at the table an hour later.
Load More Replies...Enough is enough... Eat until you've had enough, chew each bite plenty (funny enough that is almost never told) and never ever make dessert a reward to finish their plate. That's also a way of forcing your kid to eat. Better is it to teach from a young age that what amount of food comes on their plate, is something they can learn and going back for seconds of the first serving wasn't sufficient is better then looking at a plate so full it makes you want to puke....
Let the kids serve themselves, or ask them how much do they want, and then yes, ask them to finish what they have in the plate. I think it's a way to teach them to be responsible with their food and learn to reduce food waste. It may require a little bit of adjustment in the beginning (and in the beginning you shouldn't be so strict with them in clearing the plate) but after a little while they would learn to take the amount of food they are willing to eat.
Nah, they are only kids, and still need to learn. They are bound to make mistakes and miscalculations -it happens to grown-ups too. That cake you thought was a fluffy chocolate cake turned out to be dense brownie, and you therefore ended up with more on the plate than you can consume without feeling nausious... ok s**t happens, you learned your lesson, now try to get it right next time. Forcing people to eat until they throw up will do no good, other than install a sense in them of you being unreasonable and cruel. I think a better way to handle the topic is to introduce them to the concept of "seconds" and encourage them to take a bit less than they think they will need at first and top up afterwards to adjust. That is much easier than getting it right in the first try every time and will reduce the amount of wasted food.
Load More Replies...I'm so grateful that I, a grown-a*s adult, can look at my dad and go "ehh, I can't finish this, do you want it?" and he'll either go "Heck yeah" and scarf it down or else "Nah, just toss it"... absolving me of all guilt for wasting food.
This is my family. But we have a dog instead of trash. (Don't worry I don't give him anything unsafe even if I have to pick it out)
Load More Replies...I am half in and half out on this one. It's seems to be an American thing to serve up plates of food at home. In that instance I would agree that kids should not be forced to finish the plate. But in Europe, it's more common for kids to load their own plates from the table, and then I would demand that they finish what they served themselves.
I don't think you should ever "demand" that a kid eats when they're full; it's still teaching them to override their body's signals. If you want to avoid wasting food, they can have the rest another time.
Load More Replies...My sister didn't develop an eating disorder, but she did have ADHD as well as undiagnosed Autism. Making her sit for an hour after everyone else finished eating wasn't benefitting anyone.
Yeah, I got the old “there are starving children in ____ (name the starving country) who would be grateful for that plate of food!” b******t. My parents both grew from children to teenagers during the Great Depression, and took that mindset well into the 1960s when I was a child. Though most Depression Era frugality is valuable to know about and practice, this idea of forcing children to clean their plates needs to go ASAP—-especially if parents tend to overfill the plates with too much food for a child. I have had to retrain myself to understand portion sizes, and only eat until I’m not hungry anymore, instead of feeling obligated to eat way past that point I order to dutifully clean my plate. My weight went up and down during my teens, and has always taken great effort to keep at a normal level, because of their outdated b******t.
My grandma grew up during the depressions she was crazy frugal. Only one square of toilet paper but she always taught me to only take a spoonful(serving size) until everyone had some them if there was any left over I could get more.
Load More Replies...Yes, it teaches your brain to ignore your body's own satiety signals and f**ks up your eating patterns for life. I can see where it came from, my whole family going generations back were dirt poor. If you didn't eat all your food you wouldn't be certain of getting any for your next meal. Its why my Dad licks his plate clean and looks for leftovers. In Western environments high fat and high calorie, low nutrient food is so cheap and plentiful it's causing an obesity epidemic especially within impoverished communities who have had this "eat up" behaviour encoded into their DNA over generations.
I was never forced to finish my plate. My poor dad got heavier over the years finishing my plate.
Not specifically taught, but moreso an effect of how we teach kids.
Smart and gifted kids in school aren’t challenged enough. Those that do very well, even in a specific subject instead of overall, aren’t taught proper work ethic because they excel already and don’t need to work as hard. Since they aren’t challenged early, they don’t learn how to work when challenged, and they end up doing poorly in school later in life. I know it’s hard to do, but we really need to be aware that we’re setting kids up to fail when we don’t properly challenge them.
This is very accurate; I was able to coast in the lower grades and do well, but I never actually learned how to study, organize my work and retain information, it was a huge struggle in high school.
This hit me very hard in college where I basically failed the freshman year because my high schools teachers had let me do things my way.
Load More Replies...That is what we educators call differentiated learning. You have students with a wide range of abilities and needs so you have to be prepared to differentiate for those that need more, less or adaptions to your core lesson. It's not easy to do but all teachers should be trying to do it, even if it requires team teaching or other ways of structuring their class.
I used to be a teacher, and I used this teaching method. My best students still found it too easy. I would have needed to develop an entirely separate curriculum for those students, which would have needed approval, and I also didn't get paid enough to put in the kind of time required. It is just one of the many problems with the American educational system.
Load More Replies...Educators should also encourage everyone student! Everyone has so much more potential than they realize. Positivity will help them succeed!
I disagree. I have taught at an alternative school for teens that just couldn't make it in a regular setting, typically because they had very poor attitudes about authority. My classroom was their last chance to get their lives together if they wanted to graduate high school instead of getting a G.E.D. or just dropping out. Positivity was not what they needed. It was a reality check. I set a very high standard for behavior and academic commitment, and they were required to meet it. If not, I made them feel that failure. People learn better from their mistakes and having to actually face them. I was the most respected teacher in the building by the students. New students could arrive at any point, and I reached a point where I no longer needed to set a standard because my students did it for me.
Load More Replies...When I was in the 5th grade they put me in the 7th. My home life was really bad. This spilled over to school of course and I failed everything after that and dropped out in the 9th. They put me back in the 5th but it was too late. I was completely traumatized. Individual understanding of students is paramount I think. The schools need smaller classes or 2 teachers to each class.
Yes! AND the schools need a far better understanding of mental health. I subbed in an "emotional support" classroom in the high school once, and they were teaching a curriculum about understanding one's feelings, and I felt seriously cheated that I had not had a class like that as a child.
Load More Replies...Many schools here have AP (advanced placement) classes for students that excel in a particular subject - so the material is a step up and challenges more. At our school seniors were also able to take college courses to get ahead on credits. So luckily there are some schools out there trying to challenge.
But in most schools, you can't take an AP class until your last year or two of high school. Gifted kids need to be challenged at much younger ages before they come to loathe school and stop trying.
Load More Replies...The school where I teach addresses this issue with a program to assist what we term "highly capable." Due to politics we have to be cautious how we term this program, but for early finishers, kids in third grade that read at the sixth grade level, or have a savant spectrum lean, we incorporate a great number of tools and activities to keep them engaged.
That EVERYONE should go to college. Such BS.
This is the myth that school districts use to justify the near total elimination of vocation programs.
I agree with this. College costs so damn much and it seems most jobs available afterwards dont pay enough to cover the cost of the education that's required.
Or require even more education without paying for it. Or require you to have years of experience when the homework took all of your time.
Load More Replies...THIS! I don't have kids, but I've heard that auto mechanics, metal work, wood work, and other trades really aren't taught in school anymore. These are equally important to the traditional "academic" courses.
Skilled trades also have a lower debt/income ratio. $6k welding program at a tech school w/a $25/hr job immediately after passing certs pays better than an unpaid med student internship w/$170k debt that also has to cover rent/utilities/ins./food. And once you hit that 5 yr mark & get Journeyman, you're looking at $40-$60/hr plus all that sweet, sweet overtime.
Load More Replies...I have told all my kids that they can ( if they choose) take a break between graduating and university to try to figure out what they want to do etc. No point in jumping into university if you have no idea why… just leads to frustration and student debt!!
Kids in school get stripped of every opportunity to explore vocations and then are suddenly asked to bet hundreds of thousands of dollars to hopefully learn a career that they're told they're gonna have to do for the rest of their lives.
I used to work at showroom that sold high-end vanities, sinks, faucets, toilets etc. If you wanted to be in commission-based sales, they required a bachelors degree....to sell toilets!!!
College... I decided to go when I was 45. I went to University of Phoenix, online. At this age I thought, why would I do this? But, I am wanted to be in the criminal justice field. Even in this field, you have to have a bachelor's degree to get ahead. Associates degree, to geta foot in for decent promotions. Even though online classes are cheaper, it still guts you. I got my associates degree, and my bachelor in Science degree. $48,000, for both degrees, is still steep..I ended up as a child advocate, and did forensic interviews. One cannot do forensic interviews without a Bachelor's degree.
I don’t think this is the current mindset… at least not in the school districts I work in. The previous high school I taught at was an academies school… they offered industry standard certifications that students could earn BEFORE graduation, making it easier for them to obtain jobs straight out of high school.
This. Industry needs skilled crafts people. And don't you say it's a cop-out...you can't be a skilled crafts person and be a slacker. You have to understand safety, OSHA Guidelines, engineering, artistry, take pride in what you do, and be willing to literally put your life on the line, in a lot of cases. They EARN every well-paying dime they make. If you're lost for a job, go look at a trade school...you may find your niche.
Arthur C. Brooks wrote an article for The Atlantic explaining just why we should not teach our kids to be too fearful of the world, and one way he mentioned to assuage concerned parents' fears is to look at the actual facts. He notes that it has actually never been safer to be a child in the United States than it is today. Despite how focused on negative news media cycles always seem to be, Brooks writes that, "Since 1935, the number of childhood deaths between the ages of 1 and 4 fell from 450 to 30 per 100,000. It has fallen by nearly half just since 1990, and the decreases in other age groups are similarly impressive." Plus, with all of the technology available to us today, in terms of keeping track of our children and advancements in the medical field, kids have become pretty much invincible. Of course, there are certain rules to always keep in mind like "stranger danger" and looking both ways before crossing the road, but kids should not be scared of simply being kids. They have the rest of their lives to worry; let's not make them do it from a young age.
"Tattling" is bad. That kind of mentality is what leads adults to say nothing when they hear/see domestic violence and various forms of neglect, because its "not their business".
This is exactly what my father says! He's always going "if it isn't your business, don't do anything, it isn't your problem" When i told him that a guy that has a crush on my friend is getting REALLLLLYYYYY creepy and obsessive(taking pics randomly and sending messages saying how much he loves her and that she isn't grateful enough for him) and that i'm gonna tell him to f*ck off, he went "your friend is a coward, she should deal with it herself. Also, you should ask for PERMISSION when dealing with other people's problems" While i might half agree with the 2nd part, she is not a coward, but fighting back herself would put her in a lot of danger
I'm trying to convince myself that your dad is trying to protect you by keeping you off this creepy guy's radar, and maybe he is, but he's going about it in the wrong way. Somehow, some responsible adult needs to be informed of this situation, before something uncomfortable, even tragic, happens to your friend. School counselor, perhaps? But I have to say, and I truly mean no offense, your dad's attitude is pretty crappy.
Load More Replies...I am always disagreeing with my kids about the saying snitches get stitches. As a social worker it is crucial to give people a voice when bad things are happening to them. Snitches gets stitches etc just perpetuates abuse etc..
I get why this may have become common, because parents hear a million things a day from their kids that aren't necessary helpful, especially about their siblings. Parents don't need to hear 'John is picking his nose' and the like, but parents do need to be able to hear things that are important. I have seen an image used in classrooms labelled 'tattling vs. telling'. Trying to encourage kids to hold their tongue on things that teachers don't need to know while they are trying to teach a lesson, yet feel comfortable to tell them important things. I'm not sure how well it works, but all kids need to feel able to talk to adults about problems so they can get help when they need it.
I totally agree with you. The difficulty lies with what is classed as Important to the eyes of the child. X
Load More Replies...Kids can learn the difference between tattling and telling, but you need to educate them. That is part of the "job" you took on the moment you became a parent.
Never hit a child. I was hit as a child, and yes, it hurt me inside. Its never "fine" and f**k that b******t "I was hit as a child and I turned out fine".
Seconding this. My parents were even self-proclaimed "in moderation only" people, and I've still got a million little ways that ended up messing with me.
Load More Replies...This is pathetically hilarious. I don't know how many times myself as well as others have tried to speak up to adults (teachers/parents/police) about unsafe situations and stuff, just to be ignored and not taken seriously. It's really f***ed up. What's worse is when the adult witnesses a situation and still turns a blind eye.
I'm going to disagree. Use discretion when deciding to tattle. I've seen kids beaten up and adults lose jobs for speaking up. There are no real protections for most of us when we decide to tell the truth. Speaking up is an act of courage with real consequences and these must be measured.
My mom had this rule for us growing up. When she caught my older brother growing a weed plant in his closet, she came to me and asked if I knew what he was doing and how long has he been smoking for. I said I did know, and then she asked why I didn't tell her and my father. I kindly pointed out her no tattling rule. lol
All I can think of is how horrifically worthless the parents of abuse victims are when you realize these poor people have gone through their entire lives without ever being given an environment to stand up for themselves and speak against what's wrong.
that crying is bad. parents don’t learn to regulate their own emotions and expect their kids to do it. then they start suppressing crying. and then they grow to be adults with zero emotional regulation. it’s a cycle.
I am glad that I was raised mostly by my mum. And she appreciated as a mother my sensitivity and feelings and made me who I am. <3
I remember my father saying stop your crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. In his defense his mother died when he was four and his father was in prison so no one showed him an ounce of compassion. As far as crying goes I don’t get teary except when I think of my daughter and occasionally at funerals. (Went to a funeral yesterday for a young mother who died in her sleep. The only sound at all during the funeral service was the sobbing from her 6 year old motherless child :-(
I learned emotion regulation only in my thirties.. I've been a big cry baby ever since. It's so much easier to just cry for a while or accept that being angry or sad is also part of life. Before I just boiled up all my negative emotions and exploded every 6 months and couldn't communicate in a normal way either. Therapy helped alot. Some people will still think I'm weird but that's OK.
Load More Replies...THIS. From a young age I was punished for crying. But not taught how to recognize or regulate the emotions behind it. I'm just starting to un-tangle the mess they created.
BOTH of my parents do this and now my emotions are so f****d I cried because I couldn’t do a couple questions on my math homework… I told them my nose was stuffy when they heard me sniffling
I cry a lot; if anything remotely sad happens or there’s too much stress I’ll most likely cry. So when my parents are both like “why are you crying, there’s no reason to.” it hurts. I’ve learned start hiding every single negative emotion from them for fear of getting in trouble. Please please please don’t do this to your kids.
Crying is also a way of “venting” to let go so you’re not carrying around a lot of stress which causes all sorts of diseases!! Amen
The best part was being told to stop after you'd been spanked with a thin leather belt because they either thought you were milking it, or felt guilty for beating you.
My parents didn't teach me this, but I definitely feel like it from other influences. I'll bottle up everything and at the end of the day when I'm all alone I'll spill everything into a pillow or plushy, just quietly
Yup! Growing up anger was the only acceptable emotion in my home. If I expressed any other emotion I was "over sensitive" and "taking things too personally" Like, I'm sorry you're an automaton, but I have a full range of emotions, and when you criticize everything about me it hurts my feelings
Teaching them they’re responsible for how other people feel “mommy is so sad you won’t hug her” child then feels obligated to hug her to make her feel better. Think about what this means as an adult…
There's a line you have to walk between teaching kids its not okay to do and say things that are hurtful, and teaching them that they are not supposed to sacrifice their bodily autonomy, their safety or their principles to avoid hurting someones feelings.
Yes this. Please guide me if I'm wrong, but when a little kid is acting up and misbehaving, first I try redirecting their behavior to something else but if that isn't an option, instead of yelling at them, I tell them it makes me really sad when you ..."
Load More Replies...Not sure I fully agree with this one. Your kids should know that their actions may have impacts on others. Sure, guilting them into hugging mom or whomever isn't wise, but teaching them that words can hurt and have impacts on others is pretty important.
It's important to understand the difference between a parent being open with their emotions, and a parent using that emotion to control a child. I grew up knowing that I was responsible for not just my mom's feelings, but for her very wellbeing. And this wasn't a subtle message; a number of times I was told explicitly that it was my job to keep my mom happy. This was a disastrous lesson for me to learn. I'm now 63; my mom has been dead for 10 years, and I'm still wrestling with it.
I'm actually proud of my 3-year-old for this one. I've done my best to teach her that no means no, and it's ok to say no when she doesn't want to do something. Well, I was challenging her on that and asked for a hug. She shook her head, "No." Ok. Then, I did that "fake cry." I am so proud to say she remained strong and still said, "No." She also folded her arms. I've reiterated time and time again that my problems and her father's problems are NOT her problems. Besides, when I'm feeling sad, she seems to pick up on it and offers a hug anyway, without me saying anything or even interacting with her. Please, quit "guilting" your kids into "loving you." I assure you they love you regardless.
Life gives us plenty of challenges as it is, so there should be no reason to "test" other people to see if they react like you want them to. Doing that "fake cry" probably added a lot of unessesary stress to your three-year-old, as people tend to feel whatever emotions people around them show (look up mirror neurons). Just wait and a situation would probably have shown up that could have proved if the "program was installed correctly". Playing games like that where you send false signals, will only lead to trust issues and confusion, which can lead to a low self confidense when it comes to reading other people (is she for real or am I being tested?). Stop it! It is not any better than an insecure girl putting a boy she likes through all kinds of hell (like a rejection) to test if he really loves him, or those No means yes, why-can't-you-read-my-mind-situations that stalkers are made from. Be real and make what you express reflect you true emotions.
Load More Replies...So on one hand you're teaching them about being open about their feelings, but when the parent does the same, it's wrong? Make up your mind
It is all about how you say it. "“Mommy is so sad you won’t hug her” is an example at minipulation by guilt tripping. You delibrately install a negative feeling in somebody followed by an "exit door" that they can use to get that feeling to go away, which "happens" to coinside with what you want them to do. In this case it may only be a hug, but basically people should not be forced to have any physically body contact that they don't want, or show any signs of affections which does not reflect their emotions, and making them feel bad about it is shitty move. The adult version of this is manipulating people into having sex, by pushing them over their limits.
Load More Replies...Sorry.. But I say it's good that kids understand that parents are also vulnerable sometimes... And help each other is the way to be a good family
Another tip Brooks provides for keeping our kids safe without instilling a fear of the world into them is being careful of how we frame advice. He notes that when we inform our children of threats, we often deliver the message in a way that is not specific enough, and research shows that a "blanket attitude" towards fear is not always very effective. "If you want to offer a child a warning to make them better prepared, focus on one specific danger they might face and how to deal with it," Brooks explains. "Instead of saying, 'People will try to take advantage of you at college,' say, 'If someone is trying to get you to drink too much, avoid that person.'"
you have to respect ppl that are older than u, even if they are wrong
This is a confusing mix of two things. Respect is not due based on whether (WE THINK) the person is right or wrong, young or old. We're stepping here on the "i don't agree so I'll downvote you" ground.
What if they are only like 2 years older than me or even 10 years older if their being racist, homophobic , transphobic, etc. why do they deserve my respect when their is nothing to respect besides them living longer than I have, like way to go you’re still alive whoopty doo
You can perhaps let them know that they are wrong if you like, but in a respectful manner. Win-win situation.
Respect ur elders no Grammy I don't respect you you think gays should die for their sins(theoretical situation my grandma doesn't actually hate gay ppl)
Never! I would never demand that type of behavior unless I earned it, and living to a ripe old age is not a good enough reason. Trust me when I say that as an old person, I'm wrong several times a day.
That saying you’re sorry is showing weakness.
What awful parents teach this? When, how and why you apologise are one of the first things most toddlers get taught!
More difficult is to be, or at least try to be, sincere when you apologize. I live in Japan where children are usually taught to apologize, which is very good, but they often don't show any actual sincerity which is not so good.
Load More Replies...Saying your sorry (and meaning it ) is one of the bravest things you will ever do.
On the other side of this: making you say you're sorry when you're not. My parents did this to me and my siblings often. They could do the worst thing and somehow I would still end up having to apologize.
That's an important input on this topic. That's how we end up with statements "I am sorry IF xxx FELT offended by what I said /done..". The meaning of actually being sorry and meaningfully apologising gets diluted if parents exaggerate EITHER way.
Load More Replies...You also need to make sure that they know when to appropriately apologize though. Being overly apologetic and self blaming can be just as damaging as not ever learning to apologize when you need to. All my life I have apologized constantly for things that I had nothing to even do with and just to make things better. I can't tell how many times people have asked me why I'm saying sorry, and things like that. It goes with my low self esteem and self confidence. My mom is exactly the same! My dad on the other hand is probably a large reason why. I'm 31. I don't think he has ever said he was sorry for anything my entire life. He's very selfish and narcissistic. I love him, he's my dad but yeah. Now I'm trying to make sure my kids don't follow the same path.
For me my mom would almost never apologize for anything. Everything was always my fault even the fact that she stayed with my dad when he abused her was my fault. She would always say to me I hurt her or upset her so why can’t I just apologize and move on. It’s like I didn’t care that I hurt her or upset her and that I’m defensive. All I care about it myself and I’m super selfish. To compensate for this I over apologized to everyone else always believing that I was always to blame and a burden to everyone else.
Load More Replies...Watch out for the folks who constantly apologize though. They may have been or are living in an emotionally abusive environment where they learned to use the I'm sorry shield to avoid abusive behavior.
Yes . Over apologizing can be just as bad as not apologizing. I've done it my whole life. I hate it and I'm a bit better with it now, but still catch myself doing it. I had one parent who over apologized and one who never in my 31 Years of life has. Don't do this to your children. Sincerely Apologize when you should and teach them to do the same.
Load More Replies...I say sorry all the time, my parents say it’s not showing weakness, but it’s overusing one of the two most powerful phases so it doesn’t seem sincere when I need to be. Edit: the first is I live you
You can try to be a bit more specific with your apologies, e.g. by explaining your mistake demonstrate what you have learned, and how you want to behave differently in the future. That way it won't sound as superficial as the generic and"I'm sorry" that tends to fly out of us almost automatically. Same goes with the "Thank you" term. E.g. "Oh it is so soft, I look forward to being nice and warm in that sweater", sound much better than "Thank you for the chrismas gift".
Load More Replies...And teach them that "I'm sorry if I've offended you" is not an apology. The problem is your action, not other people's reaction.
...Depends. Sometimes we end up offending people without it being the intend behind our actions. As a large part of what goes on in our heads does not get communicated, the listener often has to make a lot of assumptions, to make sense of the condesed sentences we say. Most of the time it goes well, but as a certain amount of guesswork is involved, sometimes we simply get it wrong, and read something into a sentence which is not really there. We often see those feathers becomming five hens situations, especially on the internet, where people's imagination is allowed to run wild. Then the mistake is on the reader/listener, and not the one making the statement, as he did not have a snowball's change in Hell of imagining all the wrong ways that what he said could be interpretated, and then I think he can only state that he did not intend to offend anybody. Furthermore there are people who tends to be offended by everything, who is not flexible or considerate of other people's need at all.
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They don't have an opinion. I'm breaking generational curses by simply listening to my kids.
I saw a little girl in a grocery store I worked out, all excited about her day. She tried to tell her mother about it, and then her mother told her she didn't care and to shut up. I was absolutely dumbfounded. This little girl was like 4 years old! What a horrible mother!
Collect my 11yo daughter after school every day and the 25 min walk home is my fav part of the day cos she tells me about her school day and anything funny that happened in school
We have a no devices allowed at dinner rule so we can all talk about our day. Everyone is obviously allowed to say they prefer being a listener if they don’t feel like talking, but normally through dinner everyone ends up joining in. I have noticed devices get set aside now even as we prepare dinner, it can be loud and chaotic, but I hope my children know what they have to say is important to me, and listening is as important as speaking.
Load More Replies...My half brother's "wife" is like this. Never listened to her 4 kids, especially her autistic one, because she was watching a show or talking to someone else or on her phone. When I was the first one to give that kid a voice, guess what he started to do? Talk to me. Her and my dumbass half brother were the epitome of the Pikachu meme when they found out. Like gee, kindness begets honesty and kindness, who knew.
Oh but sometimes the children can actually be the ones who are best qualified to make that dicision. They live in their world, we only observe it from the outside, and though we can do our best to listen, we cannot ever know everything that goes on. So if she says that sweater scratches and don't want to wear it, it is probably best to find another one. Of course they cannot have it their way and eat icecreame alone, so sometimes you have to step in since you have more life experience, but it does not mean that you should make every dection, because you always knows best. Teach them to be their own individual that matters, and to speak up when they have suggestion on how to improve the situation.
Children are so much smarter and have a way more sane grasp of the world than most adults. The media is full of this "ignore the children because they are too young to know" BS. It's plain arrogance.
Brooks also recommends that parents try to counteract "negative primals", or assumptions that the world is threatening, from the outside. When your children are out of the house, at school or hanging out with their friends, there's no telling what they'll be exposed to. But if they come home stressed and worried about all of the dangers that the world presents, it can be helpful to ease their minds and bring them back down to reality. Brooks explains that with his own daughter, he does not sugarcoat the truths of the world, but he does remind her to focus on the positives. Yes, there are dangerous things and people out there to be cautious of, but they're not everywhere. In fact, there are plenty of wonderful things and people in the world as well. "Instead of teaching our kids fear primals, let’s teach them love primals, which neutralize fear and put something good in its place," he writes. "Let them know that people are made for love—we all crave it, and we can find something lovable in just about everyone we meet."
The worst one I ever witnessed was a single father of a two year old girl who was leaving a social gathering with his daughter, as it was time for her to go to bed. He picked her up and walked her from one guest to the next, strangers and friends alike, making her give each guest a hug and a kiss goodnight. Whether she wanted to or not did not matter to him, she was going to do it because he thought he was teaching her to be polite. I pulled him aside and gave him my thoughts on what I saw. By making her kiss people she did not know, he was violating her boundaries and making it much easier for a pedophile to touch her inappropriately in the future. Not only might she not object, she may not talk about it either. Because an adult asked her to, meant it was expected of her, right? He was aghast at his own lack of foresight, thanked me for my perspective, and promptly ended the practice.
I can see teaching your child to wave goodbye, but physical stuff..that's definitely messing with a child's boundaries.
As a survivor, I wont even make my children wave.
Load More Replies...My worst thing was tickling. No matter how many times I said no or stop, people wouldn't listen because it's a fun thing all children like right? I had to train myself not to react to being tickled because it was the reaction that people wanted, and I feel like I lost part of myself by doing that.
Kudos to him for accepting the lesson. Big kudos to you for teaching it.
I was raised the same way as this little girl. Now I shudder in disgust when facial hair touches me 🤮
This just reminds me of my sister's ex boyfriend, the one before she got married. He was an absolute creep and had the grossest facial hair. Whenever he was over, he would pull me in a hug and kiss my cheek 😖. His facial hair was so prickly, it irritated my skin and caused me to break out. Because of that, I can't stand any body hair. Head hair is fine because it can be soft. Everything else is gross.
Load More Replies...I read through the comments hoping someone didn't already say this:) that's the vibe for sure
Load More Replies...Adults should acknowledge and respect a child's boundaries. That's how you produce stable adults.
I give the father credit, he realized he was teaching his daughter the wrong thing and accepted the advice on not to do it!
Yeah this! It's like teaching the kid what they want or don't want doesn't matter. My nephew is 4 and I love him more than anything. His mom made sure to teach him he has rights and doesn't have to do things he doesn't want to like hugging. Now it broke my heart when he decided he didn't want to hugs but I respected that and he was never forced. I'm grateful for this thiugh because we did headbuts as a goodbye instead which is what his mother and I do; it was cute that he wanted to be a part of this with us. Now he's a hugging maniac and it's all his choice. We still do our headbutts but now I get up 8 hugs each time.
Nonsense. He told you to butt out and mind your own damn business! Find less obvious ways to play hero to the victim in your head.
External validation.
Constantly chasing likes and followers. The unbearable weight of keeping up appearances. Lives and bodies that aren't perfect seem to have no value.
I am so happy to be my age, wouldn't want to be young again in this world...
Every age has had their own version of this. No one has been exempt.
Load More Replies...I'm a young person who's grown up with this and everyone else is so obsessed with likes and stuff and even I think... why? Why do you care what some stranger you'll never meet thinks of you?
This comment on site with a like button below it ? Still a valid point . But please, please, please press my like button !!
A 13 year old criticized the nail polish I bought at CVS. Told me “it’s trash”. Poor baby.
I think this is not so much taught as internalised from a young age when they first get social media
Yeh but most adults are doing it, monkey see....
Load More Replies...THANK YOU FOR THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE AVOIDING WHEN TEACHING KIDS
I’m dyslexic, but no one would test me as a kid because my grades “weren’t low enough”. Nope, instead I had to be in tutorials for ALL OF ELEMENTARY, where I still wasn’t getting help/ understanding anything. I thought I was stupid until I found out about my dyslexia when I was in 7th grade. I cried all night. The idea that in order to be tested for something like dyslexia (which is really common!) you basically need to be failing is a really harmful idea to engrain into kids. Like I said, I though I was stupid because I couldn’t spell or understand math. Now I’m all A’s. Big difference it makes to just KNOW and get help. I never actually did get help or accommodations, btw. BUT, I’ve done my own research on how to help myself. So, yeah. There’s my 2 cents.
My husband wasn't diagnosed until he was 35. At our age, you were just stupid. He now has a degree and works helping people with disabilities from dyslexia through to paraplegia assistance with gaining qualifications, and attending university.
I'm so glad your husband is out there helping others. We need more people doing that.
Load More Replies...I was in remedial classes throughout all of middle and high school, but, according to every administration member I was "too smart to have a learning disability". They wanted me to admit that I was just lazy. They refused to listen to any of my insight or suggestions ABOUT MYSELF. I F*****G hate our school system. I don't feel like I'm good enough at anything now, nor do I feel like I ever try hard enough, no matter how burnt out I get.
Went to a Catholic school and spent 8 years being told I was lazy and stupid. My 9th grade geometry teacher figured out my dyslexia and ADHD in less than a week. I was an A and B student after that
This is mainly because parents can't cope with children having problems: I know of a person with a degenerative neural problem that could only speak by moving the eyes( the only part of his body he had control over, an assistant would then tell all the letters until he confirmed the right one) that refused to make him follow a special course because his child was normal and had to go to college like everyone else
I'm also dyslexic. I was always told by teachers that I was intelligent but extremely lazy. They also threatened to send me to a special school if I didn't start trying harder ( dyslexia wasn't recognised in my school or area). I wasn't tested until college and never received any extra help as I still managed to pass with decent results. As an adult I told a few people in my work place about being dyslexic ( once I felt comfortable with them ) and each time I did I was suddenly labelled as stupid and unable to do tasks. This happened with a number of jobs I had. Now I'm self employed and keep my dyslexia to myself ( it's just easier that way )
That's too bad for your employer. At least my employer is on board with the fact that neurodivergence can produce novel ideas and approaches to problems. Your brain is wired differently meaning it approaches the work differently and that's a good thing in a business where same ideas stagnate. People at my work even have dyslexia tags in their email signatures.
Load More Replies...Mental and learning disabilities have such stigma in American culture. It's awful. It's hard to get the proper instruction in a school setting when hardly anyone trying to teach makes an effort with those students who have different needs.
I can relate. Finally diagnosed at middle-age, with the reason why I’ve felt like a failure my entire life: ADHD - podcasts & articles explained everything to me, not a therapist. Sometimes it’s absolutely horrible to label people, but other times it’s a game changer to the person.
I tutor students with dyslexia. I can't tell you how many kids start to cry or suddenly feel like a weight is lifted when I explain the reason they have difficulty reading and show them a list of brilliant dyslexics. It rocks their world.
Another seemingly harmless but negative idea many parents accidentally instill in their children is the idea that crying is something shameful or that it displays weakness. "Stop crying" or "don't cry" we often hear parents say. And while they may just want their little ones to keep it down in public, parents who use these phrases can quickly teach their children to bottle up their emotions, and once that's been taught, it can be very challenging to undo. We should be teaching our kids that emotions are nothing to be scared of or ashamed of, as Christina M. Ward notes in her article 'We Need To Stop Teaching Our Kids Not To Cry!', and that displaying sadness does not mean that you're out of control. It just means you're human, and you know how to feel.
That you can do anything if you set your mind to it. Because it's not true. There are external forces that can hinder us from reaching our goals. There's privilege, and lack thereof. It doesn't take just pure mindset to reach a goal.
I disagree. See Benita Valdez's post. I cannot improve on her words: "This is why we teach my nephew that he can try anything he wants but it's ok if he can't do it or isn't good at it. If he wants to try something then by all means, but we make sure he knows that not everyone can do things and some things take time and practice to get good at something sometimes. "
Load More Replies...This should be number one. It's utter b******t. Compare the number of kids who want to be astronauts to the actual number of astronauts in the world, or the number of wannabe actors to actual actors. It's pure survivor bias when you get an astronaut or author in an interview saying "just set you mind to it" when behind them is millions of tried and failed. Especially hard when many are underprivileged to begin with. They've more chance of being struck by lightening.
This is why we teach my nephew that he can try anything he wants but it's ok if he can't do it or isn't good at it. If he wants to try something then by all means, but we make sure he knows that not everyone can do things and some things take time and practice to get good at something sometimes
I would like to up vote this 100 times to get you to the top. People at the top of their profession or sport don't get there on a whim. They worked hard to get the skills they needed to succeed. You want to climb Mt. Everest? Great! But let's start with the six foot climbing wall at the park first.
Load More Replies...This is my biggest gripe in societal trends over the past 40 years or so. "you can do anything as long as you TRY" and "you DESERVE to be happy" or " You're special!" being parroted by every parent to every child while handing out trophies just for showing up. Even in acknowledging the fact that it's unrealistic for everyone to expect they can do anything, this entry can't help but insinuate that even though you failed it's not your fault. It's created a world in which so many people seem to believe that everything wrong in their life, as well as the world isn't their fault, it's not their failure, it's "the others" it's some conspiracy, or nepotism, or some vague injustice. The world would be a much better place if everyone were encouraged to embrace what they're good at, rather than told to fight the odds to do what they want regardless of ability or real world limitations.
The rest of the sentence is....if you put in the hard work to reach your goals.
Except that's not what it's been boiled down to. It may have been that 40 years ago, but it's become "as long as you try your hardest" The reality is, it doesn't always matter how hard you work, or how determined you are to "reach your goals" Everyone is not capable of doing everything. Some people lack the physical capabilities to do some things, while others lack the mental capacity, and just because you go down the path of barely eeking out a degree, doesn't mean there isn't thousands of people more capable than you. That's just reality. It doesn't mean you don't have value, it just means you're looking in the wrong place. Children need to be encouraged to look beyond what they want, to find where they will thrive.
Load More Replies...No matter how had I try and think I’m a great pianist, I’m really horrible bc I never practice. My son is a concert cellist bc he puts the work in and practices hours a day.
I'll probably get down voted BUT - There's encouragement and there's discouragement. While yes, there are things that stand in kids way, why tell them something is impossible when there's always a workaround. There are lawyers with down syndrome, bestselling authors with dyslexia, plenty of people with disabilities and disadvantages. Instead of smashing someone's dream, ask 'How can I help?' or "If we can't go in the front door, let's find a back way." Maybe the biggest question we should as is, How badly do you want to achieve that dream?
Wish I could give you more than one vote. Who you know is sometimes as or more important than what you know.
Load More Replies...There's internal forces too that no amount of willpower can overcome
I wanted to be a pilot, but I suffer terrible motion sickness. Medicine didn't help and "you'll get used to it" didn't work either. As much as I trained and wanted it it could never be.
Or that if someone else HASN'T achieved what you achieved, it's because they DIDN'T work hard enough...
That a child can’t have boundaries because they are a kid.
And you are an amazing parent for respecting that and not telling them that they aren't allowed to have boundaries like I've seen many parents do.
Load More Replies...It means telling kids they're not allowed to say no to things they're uncomfortable with, eg. "you HAVE to give Nana a kiss!"
Load More Replies...This. This, a thousand times this. I have a severe fear-like feeling when telling people I don’t like something. And when I do stuff like that I feel like they will hate me bc I’ve come across too many people who have had friendship and family issues because people didn’t respect or draw boundaries
F**k, I couldn't even have my door locked because I was threatened that it'd be taken off its hinges. I didn't even f*****g slam it. I had to be walked in on getting dressed TWO F*****G TIMES before they gave me the very dirt level decency to goddamn knock.
My mom yelled at me once for privacy. I was going to take a bath, and she yells at me. She then forced me to let her wash my hair. Btw, here’s why I was so uncomfortable. 1. I just got in a fight with her that day and bathing is when I collect my thoughts alone. 2. I knew how to already wash my damn hair. 3 as I said earlier in #1 SHE EXPECTS ME TO LET HER INVADE MY PRIVACY WHEN I JUST GOT MAD AT HER EARLIER AND NEEDED TO BE ALONE IN THE BATH. Lesson: if you just got in a fight with your kid, give them privacy and time to calm down
I lived with a relative who thought privacy was only needed if a person was hiding something. I was an adult, and that whole thing started because she didn't understand my friends, and she tried telling me I was no longer allowed to talk to them. Since it was her house, I would have understood had she told not to invite them over, but you're not going to tell me to stop talking to someone altogether. It got so bad that eventually, I would get screamed at for having a password on my phone, and I would get in trouble for taking my purse to work with me. All because she wanted to look through them, and she knew I hated it. There are more details, but it'd be to long. But I completely understand where you are coming from, and today I'm huge on respecting people's privacy.
Load More Replies...Too late! American children already possess the privacy, agency, and autonomy we used to associate with brutally oppressed citizens of corrupt totalitarian regimes. Parents who fail to conform are routinely prosecuted and threatened with their loss of their offspring. No doubt we’ll shortly be implanting surveillance devices at birth, at the same time we mutilate the genitals of 50% of the populace.
That they’re dumb and don’t know anything. Kids are incredibly bright and will call you out on your s**t.
My Mom called me stupid all the time and my Dad said more than once that I didn't know what I was talking about. Then when it came to my grades in school, or picking out some of the easier classes for credits, I was told to do better and pick the harder classes because "you're smarter than that." It made my head spin and I'm still torn between thinking I'm stupid, and smart at the same time.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're probably quite smart. It sounds like your parents not only know this, but also likely believe you are smarter than they are, and are threatened by it, so they lash out at you because of hurt pride. Mine did exactly this. I'd be inclined to listen to your educators, as they see your academic potential, but at the end of the day no one can tell you what you are or are not. Only you get to define who you want to be. But for what it's worth, this internet stranger doesn't think you are "stupid". 😊
Load More Replies...Funny story: I was playing a game of Would You Rather with a group of my elementary students. The question was, “Would you rather be the only person in the world who could solve crimes… or… the only person in the world who can commit crimes and get away with them?” Pause here and consider your own answer. One of my 4th graders (who is 9 yrs old) responded, “Having to solve all of the world’s crime is a huge responsibility. I wouldn’t want it. And if I choose to be the only person able to commit crimes and get by with them, then that means everyone else committing crimes would get caught. So, I’d pick that. The world’s crime would eventually end, because people would realize if they commit a crime… they’re gonna get caught. And me? Just because I can commit a crime and get away with it, doesn’t mean I have to commit a crime. So, my choice is the second one and I’m just not going to ever commit a crime.” My mind was blown! Kids ARE incredibly bright!
Children are like self learning AIs, they absorb logic and knowledge we give them but self aware they may develop their own reasoning and see things from different angles, often by the most simple question that we adults never asked or just accepted despite the BS attached.
I had a friend who wanted to move her family to another state. She kept going on and on about how she didn't want to take her one daughter out of school in the middle of the year though. When I suggested that she ask her daughter what her daughter thought instead of projecting her own feelings about it onto her...she was speechless. She literally said "I never would have thought about asking her." So when she did, her daughter actually didn't care at all about leaving her school and was happy about a new start. They are way smarter than most people give kids credit for.
Load More Replies...The sad fact is that if you keep telling a child that they are stupid then they will believe you
yep and if you do it enough, it will have a major impact on where they end up in life. So if you want them to succeed, start by pointing out each situation where they behave in a smart way.
Load More Replies...i was in that phase, i guess you can call it, and i thot i was gay, and my dad said i was too young to know. i was 14.
Children have all the same intelligence as adults. The only thing they lack is experience.
I'm not told I'm dumb, but I'm often told I'm wrong when I'm correct, and often told I don't know what I'm talking about when I do. I just gave up trying to tell them anything and I'd just laugh when it'd take them 10 steps to do something and I figured it out by the 2nd one.
This happened to me at work once. The back door to our business wouldn't close. I took one look and said "the pin isn't in the door correctly, you just need to hammer it back in." Blank looks from all the men (6 in total, including my boss). They stood around discussing it and I left for the day with them still talking about it. Next day I asked my boss, "how long did it take for you to figure it out, and what was the issue." Took them over an hour of talking about it, to figure out what I had originally stated, and they "fixed it" in less than a minute. *insert eyeroll here*
Load More Replies...Lol, a 1 yo sister was able to unlock her pre-teen brother's phone WHICH HAD A PIN ON IT once, if that means anything here
Letting kids cry allows them a healthy emotional release, and it opens them up to being more empathetic towards others. If a child is told that they should not be crying because it shows weakness, they will likely look down upon their friends and future partners when they cry as well. But if they understand that sometimes, you just need to let out a good cry, they will be more understanding when others are feeling emotional as well. All kids, but especially boys, should be told from an early age that displaying emotions is healthy and normal, and having to bottle them up is a recipe for disaster.
1) Parents thinking mental health issues don't exist 2) Parents are always right 3) If you question something that has been going on since long, you're wrong 4) Religion.
Religion can be taught well or badly. If I have kids, I want to tell them about God and why I believe in Christianity because I think God is awesome and don't want to have my kids miss out on knowing him. But I also must let them know that they have brains and must let them figure out what they believe
Yeah! God gave us free thought so we could choose him, the whole point is him wanting us to voluntarily choose him :))
Load More Replies...I believe nobody, not even your parents should be able to try and force you into a religion. It is a choice.
Yes. It's fine if they want to teach you about their chosen religion and take you to ceremonies with them, but if the day comes where you say "no I don't want to be a part of this" they should respect that.
Load More Replies...I'll agree that 1-3 are harmful, but I'm perfectly happy to raise my kids Jewish and continue our culture. What they believe about the God/supernatural aspects is up to them when they choose to think about it, but I think our Jewishness is at least worth teaching them and getting involved with it, but I won't force them to keep up with it if that's not the direction their lives take. There are right and wrong ways to do religion.
But surely "jewishness" is more than spiritual beliefs. I admire the many, many Jewish traditions passed down to descendants for so many generations.
Load More Replies...There is nothing wrong with religion as long as you make sure they know to never use it as an excuse to hurt others. No parents are not always right, but they do have alot more experiance than you do.
...It really depends on how you use religion and what influence it has on your life. Of course a lot of good things can come out of religion, e.g. some self reflection on your actions and the influence they have on other people, and perhaps a greater sense of hope for the future, or feeling like you are part of a community, but I think many of those needs can be fulfilled other places and by other methods too. E.g. journaling or taking up a sport. On the other hand, I think that in some cases the religious path can actually end up causing people harm, and not bring them as far in this life as they could otherwise have gone. E.g. when sex makes them feel guilt instead of pleasure, or when some outdated practices makes them do things that is not compatible with the world of today. It was science, not religion that brought the first man to the Moon, and it is powerfull tool to predict what will happen in the future unlike the bible which is mostly about looking back.
Load More Replies...Yeah, when lever I protested against the Hindu-Muslim fight, and I used to read Namaz while being a Hindu, my mom beaten me so much hard!
I would like to argue that religion CAN be used as a form of systematic control but doesn't have to be. The Catholic Church was an absolute authoritarian nightmare for centuries but meanwhile Buddhists were just chilling and spreading the wise words of the Buddha. People are the issue, not the ideas.
Load More Replies..."Just because you learned it that way the first time, doesn't make it right."
Parents ABSOLUTELY have a responsibility to teach their children about faith matters. Leaving them to figure it out on their own is like letting them play on the freeway with a butcher knife at night. Completely a stupid proposition.
That one shiny fish book in elementary “the rainbow fish”. Where the main character had all these beautiful scales, then the other fish got jealous of/resenting him. So he gave all his scales to everyone. It was suppose to teach kids about sharing? From a disturbing metaphor involving—let me say it one more time—self-dismemberment to a message that basically says, “Don't be special. If you are special, people will hate you for it and the only way to be happy is to shed yourself of that special trait,”
That book always sort of bothered me for a reason I couldn't quite put my finger on... I got the whole "sharing is good" thing and the whole "don't be a self-centered show-off" thing, but it just kind of bothered me. Why couldn't the shiny fish just be happy with the fact he was shiny? Why couldn't the other fish like him until he gave away his scales? Existential crisis of an eight-year-old.
It’s like, if you’re special, you have to bribe other people to like you by giving away all that makes you special. The book never goes into the fact that most people who need to be bribed and witness you destroy yourself in order to be your friends, are the very same people who will abandon you in half a heartbeat once your specialness is gone. Bad, and very misguided, lesson.
Load More Replies...It wasn't about sharing, it was about being prideful. The rainbow fish had no friends because he felt his scales made him better than everyone else. When he gave his scales away, he was saying he wasn't above anyone anymore and they trusted him to be their friend. He could have done that without giving his scales away, by changing his mindset and being friendly, but kids need visual representations too.
My childhood play got that way wrong, my mom told me it highlights government: you only have friends if they can get something
Load More Replies...There's a guy who rewrote the ending of that book so instead of ripping off his skin to be like the other fish, the Rainbow Fish learns to look for what's special about the other fish and compliment them on that.
People get jealous of who you are, but do not want to exert the effort that made you that way.
How about the fact that kids are required to share. If I go to work and I have 2 sandwiches and Dave didn't bring lunch I'm do not HAVE to give him some of mine, but a kindergartener does. How does that make sense? I get that it teaches compassion, to a certain extent, but it also teaches Dave that if he's unprepared someone else will pick up his slack.
how about the giving tree...makes demands of your parents until they're worn down to stumps, and then use them as a stool...or the little mermaid...to get a man you need to have the right body and lose your voice...oh, and being the next monarch of the ocean isn't good enough unless you have a man...that's why lo love horton hears a who and molly lou mellon
I did not remember that book at all except the shiny fish. That puts an especially dark twist on it.
"You NEED to have children!"
38 F here. So sick of people telling me I should have kids. I've known since I was 5 years old "I'm not getting married and I'm not having babies" if my parents can accept this why can't the rest if the world?
Yep. My daughter is 28, doesn't want kids. I'm a little sad that I'll never be a Grandma, but it's her choice absolutely. Worst bit is educating other family members that it's not their business.
Load More Replies...I. HATE. THE IDEA. OF HAVING KIDS. Idc WHAT you telling me. I'd rather have my own life, and not be broke.
Also if you did have kids it would make their life worse too
Load More Replies...I'll be the judge of what I need, thankyou very much. And children is not one of them.
"I do need to start having kids. The Apocalypse is coming and we need food sources." Watch them try to complete the mental gymnastics on that one.
Teaching girls that their purpose in life is to get married and have babies. We can do a lot more besides that!
"Why should I go to the trouble of creating an immature, demanding, and clueless creature, when I already have you?"
32 F here. Always wanted kids and can't have them. Pisses me off when people just start asking why I don't have them and why I'm being selfish. Why can't people p**s off?
Adults who can't be held hostage to their children's welfare are a threat to the ruling class. People who don't live in fear of watching their children suffer are dangerous.
It baffles me how people don’t see how ill-advised and absurd it is to try to convince somebody to have kids when they don’t want them. Like, what? Is it your duty in life to make sure other people have lifestyles they don’t want and bring kids in to existence just to learn they weren’t wanted? Nah, man. That’s cruel.
57 yr old and never procreated, to my mother's constant complaints. OH NO I HAVE NO RETIREMENT PLAN!!!! That's why people have kids, sheep, clones..... HA HA HA !!!!
I hope you were not taught many of the ideas on this list when you were a child, but if you were, know that you're not alone. We can't change the past, but we can choose what lessons and ideas we decide to pass on to younger generations. Hopefully, over time, we can phase out these harmful ideas and ensure that kids are taught more valuable and positive lessons instead. Keep upvoting the responses you'd like all of your fellow pandas to read, and then feel free to continue the conversation down below in the comments. And if you're interested in reading another Bored Panda article on the same topic, check out this story next.
As I was leaving elementary school, they decided to implement some sort of “reading level”. You were not allowed to read a book that was higher than your “level”.
Now, for context, I am avid reader. I got an eighth grade level of reading. I was reading Sybil by sixth grade. However, I do not do well in subjects such as math because it doesn’t make sense to me.
So, we got tested and I got my score, a nice, high score. Something my parents would be proud of me for.
In the schools library, I go to grab a book I thought was interesting. A Secret Garden I think it was called? It was a high level, so of course, nine/ten year old me thought I was allowed to read it!
My goddamn fifth grade teacher yanked it from me, and I wasn’t allowed to read it because I wouldn’t understand it and gave me a picture book. I tried to protest and say I got a good level, but he said no, I didn’t and I was lying.
To this day, I hold massive resentment towards him and the system that says, “You can’t do this because you got a poor grade on it.” Think of how easily that could turn people away from doing things?! How many more kids could we get into reading if we didn’t say, “No, you can’t because you won’t understand.”
Then, if they won’t understand, help them. Teach them. Isn’t that why we’re here? To teach kids?
Anyways, I looked up a book I received for Christmas because I wanted to learn how to write reviews for autobiographies.
I’m disgusted to say that stupid level system is still around. The system is awful, we need to change it and start encouraging and, you know, being adults to our kids instead of letting things be as they are.
That is not how reading levels are supposed to work! They are supposed to be so the book you read is sufficiently challenging that you are learning new words (first couple of years of school). This isn't supposed to effect what books you borrow from the library because you are more likely to be able to preserve with a challenging book if the story interests you, but also you are free to read things that are a little easier if you just want to build confidence or again, are interested in the story. Plus the fact that parents are just as likely to be reading the story to you.
you're a troll from what branch of the gov't? My Dad had to fight my elementary school on this very thing. I was a 4th grader reading on a high school lvl. By the time I reached 7th grade I was reading on a college lvl, but Nooo! unimaginative system blinders wearing adult drones can't comprehend how to deal with a child who doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold of mass education.
Load More Replies...I read Stargate while I was 11, a huge book for this age. The librarian first explained it was a bit hard to read, then checked if it was suitable for a child, and finally gave me the book. I read it in 5 days. Then she proposed me other difficult SciFi books. This is how it should be.
Library in my daughters school has a reading level for different grades, my daughter can read well beyond her grade but teacher said she has to stick to her grade books cos the other kids will be unhappy shes getting different books, had meeting with teacher and told her that my child is bored at reading time and if she didnt let her go up a level id take her out of school at reading hour and bring her to local library to read the advanced books shes into.
When I was in fifth grade, they tested our reading level. I was always an avid reader. Mine turned out to be 12th grade level. They refused to put me in any accelerated classes, though. Ridiculous mindset.
Sister Agnes Marie, the ONLY good part of my Catholic school education. She knew I wanted to be a doctor and when I was in 4th grade she started making sure I had anatomy books as well as books like the lion the witch and the wardrobe. She fed my soul and my brain
I told my kid, right in front of his teacher, that he could read any book he wanted from the school library, and i don't think she's recovered yet.
I never red anything in school so I became a good listener. Come to find out I needed glasses when I was 18, That is the first time I read a real book.
You can blame a-hole parents at school board meetings for that.
When i was in elementary, k-5, we had this reading system. I was never told i couldn't read something in a higher level. I actually was encouraged to read what i wanted. I read all of harry potter that was available at the time and i read the hobbit and wrote a report on it. It must have been certain schools that treated it like that and im so sorry that your experience was s**t. It should have never been like that.
The level system is sadly still around, but at least where I live (and have had two different daughters now unfortunately from two different moms 20 years apart) they are trying. The teachers actually pay attention to their reading levels and will help them find things to challenge them or be on their level. My wife is a book person so it transcended to our daughter. Has rub ed off on me as well. Haven't had cable or any streaming in ten years. Don't even really miss It.
Telling kids they have to be nice to everyone. If people are mean to them they won’t fight back with that mindset. They need to know it’s okay to set boundaries without it being an issue. Respect and boundaries are so important for kids. Zero tolerance policies in general are absolutely backwards.
I've lost count of how many times I've said to kids "it's okay to be mad, but it's not okay to react to that anger in a way that hurts others". You don't have to like everyone but you don't get to use their behaviour as a reason to hurt them back. I would much rather have them come and tell me there is a problem than have to break up a fight because "they started it!"
ok so im just gonna come out and say this. my brain legit cant compered what u just wrote. (i have autism, bad judgment in general, and dont think abt stuff before i do it. so i dont always understand the consequences of my actions, until ot all ready happened) so ueah zero policy in school sucks. all tho for me it was nice, cuz i got a 6 month summer break, between 7-8 grade, cuz i got kicked out.
Load More Replies...Telling a child to be nice to everyone is a good thing. But obviously there's more to it than that.
Also, telling kids that it's their fault if someone doesn't like them. Sometimes we just don't like someone and we don't know why. Sometimes we are the person dislked for no apparent reason. What matters is not acting out toward those we dislike and accepting that not everyone will automatically like us. Accept and move on.
Be nice within reason, but don't be afraid to defend yourself. Most importantly help them learn the difference between the two.
I gotta say that I think violence can sometimes be necessary. I'm very quiet due to hearing loss since I can't hear myself. Well I had this guy shaking, pushing, stealing and generally making me uncomfortable and even when I was almost yelling he wouldn't back off despite knowing my boundaries. Light shoves didn't work either. I had to elbow him out of the way and show him I'm willing to defend my boundaries. I say you can teach them not to hurt others, UNLESS that person will hurt you or others in which case it is perfectly fine as long as it's not too far for the situation.
I was told to turn the other cheek and walk away. Then a kid 3 years older hit me from behind one time when I was like 10...I never forgot that. So did he he until he rounded a corner in high school and I "accidentally" swung my locker open in to his face. It's good to get assigned lockers in alpha order.
I got confused for a second when I read "lockers in alpha order". I thought you meant alpha as in "alpha male" (maybe not the best example but I couldn't think of anything else, besides alpha/beta/omega). It might be good to get lockers in alphabetical order, if you aren't stuck next to an a-hole who has the same letter of their last name (I assume it is by last name, but I could be wrong). Or two a-holes, if your locker isn't at the end of a row.
Load More Replies...My mom raised me to be nice like this and then in tenth grade drove me to the bus stop to beat up my year long bully at the end of the school year lol. Glad that girl ran because this mindset builds up such resentment and inner anger that I was afraid I wouldn't stop.... Luckily she ran away. It's kids like this who usually know they can beat the f**k out of you but don't because they know they'll hurt you. Think twice.
Similar vein to the whole "bullies will give up if you ignore them" thing. Has that ever worked for anyone? You're going to reach breaking point eventually and once they've picked a target, they don't back off. Fighting back at mistreatment is the only way to get real progress, from my personal experience
Ironically, "zero tolerance" is always a euphemism for bullying. Of course the difference between bullying and authority has never been a function of anything other than the amount of power possessed by the bully/authority.
Nuh. There is NO call for rudeness. Just cut those people out of your life, DO NOT stoop to their level.
That all males are perverts and there are no female perverts
This. Just because a dad takes his kid to the playground doesn't mean he's a pedophile! And there are sure PLENTY of female pedos and perverts
This, so much this. I was a stay at home dad for 3 years and always got funny looks at the park. I have boys and can imagine it would have been much worse if I had a girl.
Load More Replies...As a male pervert, I truly enjoy the company of female perverts. What's wrong about being a pervert anyway? I'll tellya, the wrong in it is that people judge. Not the people who get judged.
Upvote for making me giggle. I mean they're almost certainly referring to pedophiles here but as long as it's consenting adults - go ahead and let the Freak Flag fly!
Load More Replies...Ghislaine Maxwell proved this is wrong to the entire world. Women can be worse, because no one will believe someone was abused by a woman. Women get away with abuse so so easy. Example: my mom, for years
Mine too. Her brother ra*ped me front and back holes when I was 8 and he told me if I didn't let him do it to me then he would do it to my 1 year old sister in the bed next to mine. I knew he would kill her if I refused so I let him do those things to me without making a sound though I was screaming inside. When I told her the next day what he had done she told me that I must have forced him to do it to me and that there was no point in telling anyone because no one would believe an 8 year old against 2 adults
Load More Replies...I think this is another problem from the patriarchy mindset. Men are not supposed to take care of kids, men are the head of household and all that religious bs.
Overall lesson is that men are not the only bad guys. For example, a woman can be a domestic abusing B who cannot control her bowels JUST AS MUCH as a man could be
THIS! Idk if this isn't as big an issue for straight guys because they like the attention or whatever, but I've had girls grab/smack my a*s on MULTIPLE occasions during high school and not matter how much I express discomfort and disinterest they WILL. NOT. STOP. Double standards suck y'all.
Absolutely. You'll notice the majority of teachers diddling kids are women. Makes you think...
The idiots who say women can't be perverts must be set back to the 1200s huh?
That’s called a “cougar”, not a pervert. And as long as they’re legal and willing, it’s their business.
Load More Replies...That they need to have everything lined up by age 16-18 and if they don't, it'll have serious consequences. Bad grade? No one will ask about it in a couple years. No friends/social life? Get some new ones in college. Don't know what to do with your life yet? Join the club, honey, we got jackets, most of us grownups aren't sure either. The amount of high school kids I've seen beating themselves up, even having full breakdowns over all these things is honestly worrying. 18 is not a deadline. Your life isn't set in its tracks forever by 20. Who on earth is teaching them these things?!
My son's in senior year and is getting a lot of this. "What do you want to do with your life?", "What are your plans for after graduation?", "Are you going to college?", etc. Normal questions, I get it, but he's 17 and no, does not have his life planned out, lol! I've told him that the answer of "I don't know" is a complete sentence and he's under no obligation to elaborate further.
I've been getting those types of questions since 13 :(
Load More Replies...I'm 53 and still figuring out what I want to be when I grow up. It's a lifelong journey.
School will be over quicker than you think, and your memory of it will fade in a fraction of that time. School is a tiny microcosm ruled by people ill equipped to lead. Though the world can sometimes reflect that b******t, by and large it’s a much better place. One where there’s a group of friends for everyone—-a group who will accept, appreciate, and love you just the way you are, who wouldn’t have you any other way, so would never ever try to force you to change like the high school bullies tried. You will be amazed at how quickly those same bullies will not matter a damn to you.
I know what I want to do but I'm not ready for the journey to do it and everyone keeps pushing me to "follow my dreams".
That different is bad. That if I don’t understand it, there must be a conspiracy. If I don’t win, the opponent cheated.
I am upvoting you lowercase not because I have any opinion on what you posted, but I disagree with the person who downvoted you for likely different political views. That's not what the voting buttons are for.
Load More Replies...Capitalism can't exist with one or more classes to exploit. For "us" to regard difference as dangerous is an essential first step in rationalizing the mistreatment of "them." People who're unafraid are notoriously difficult to manipulate into acting against their own self interest.
That children can't be sad. Children can be sad and as someone who had struggled with mental illness ever since I was 8, I can confirm. Children are humans just like us, they have emotions. You can be depressed even if your age isn't in the double digits.
I would also like to add another one; the "It will get better" and "Just put on a happy face" mentality. Unfortunately, life is a b***h. It will not get better. **You** get better. Depression doesn't fade away just because you are smiling. I wish it was that easy, but it isn't.
Stop trying to reassure and make excuses for your child's mental health. Actually, get your a*s up and help them.
I was always told I was "miserable" and that I lived up (or down) to the "Wednesday's Child is full of Woe" trope. And I was constantly criticized for being "miserable". So many times, I wish I'd never been born. But then. I look at my dog and one of my cats, both of whom are snuggling with me right now, and I feel grateful for their unconditional love.
That's awful to call a child "miserable", bordering on abuse I would say. Hope you're feeling better with your cuddly land whales to keep you company.
Load More Replies...But also that there is a difference between emotion and mental health. Your child may be sad because their hamster died, that doesn't automatically make them depressed. There are so many degrees of emotion and they shouldn't learn that "having a bad day" automatically means there's a bigger issue. (Of course sometimes it does, but it shouldn't be on the child to work that out).
I was diagnosed with bipolar 2 when I was 17. Mental illness doesn't go away, and most people struggle understanding and dealing with you because of it.
Given the typical agency, autonomy, and dignity we permit children, it's remarkable they ever feel anything but rage.
Not only need to be taught to children, but to grown ups too. I hate the "I am happy, so why can't you?" or the "Happiness is something you choose" etc. I always has desire to say similar things to them when they are in the "hole", to make them see how useless such advice is, and how annoying it is in an out of place situation. E.g. saying: "cheer up, why are you so sad? just try and change you perspective and smile" when they have just lost someone and is a funeral. Because that is how it feel. Telling a depressed person to "just cheer up", is about as useless as saying it to someone at funeral that they need to control their emotions and stop crying. Sometimes the emotions just outpowers the mind, no matter how different we want the situation to be, but for those who has never been through a real depression, it can be hard to realise.
Children DO get sad, and some children, sadly, commit suicide. Teach kids to get help, not that they are wrong somehow for feeling really, really down. Depression is an illness, just like pneumonia. You wouldn't tell a kid with pneumonia to "Just breathe, it will get better", you'd get the kid medical care. That's what you need to do with depression too. If you want to reassure, tell the kids over and over and over again, that you love them, unconditionally, and will always be there for them, they just have to ask and you will do your best to help them. THAT is the kind of reassurance that kids need.
This, I think, depends on the circumstances. When my 6-y-o stepdaughter is sad because she can't draw as well as I can, I tell her "it will get better - if you practice". When my then 13-y-o niece was frustrated because she couldn't stand her immature classmates and hadn't any friends, I told her "it will get better - once you are in a different setting, where you can choose who you hang out with" - 5 years later, she's got great friends, most older than her, and is very sure of herself. BUT of course, real mental health problems dont go away like that. Also, it helps if you try to get better, no matter the circumstances. That doesn't mean faking to be well, but trying to focus on the good things and not accepting defeat.
That everything they're good at/enjoy as a hobby needs to be monetized. I played competitive piano and all the time was told "you'll be a great teacher, work from home, etc." I liked making jewelry and was told "you should make lots of those then sell them at the local market/online/etc. I liked writing poetry and short stories and was told "you should be a English tutor/newspaper columnist/sell your short stories /publish a poetry book". I have pretty much stopped doing all of those things, and if I do something creative nowadays, I keep it to myself because otherwise, me just enjoying something to enjoy it is judged as a waste of time if I'm not making money from it.
I make wreaths and floral arrangements. Hubby and siblings keep ‘encouraging’ me to make it a business. If I did my hobby as a business it wouldn’t be a hobby anymore. Also I never let anyone know I can sew. If they find out they always ask if I can hem pants or other tailoring. Tailoring and sewing are 2 different skills. Just pay the $ to get the pants hemmed and keep me as your friend!
Tell them, "thank you, I'm glad I'm great at x, it's a lot of hard work, but I'm not really looking to run my own business." Usually, just acknowledging a busy body's viewpoint and discarding it in front of them is enough to make them shut up.
I draw a lot on paper and I will never ever aim at making money from it. I want to keep making art without the stress of people buying and buying, burning me out and ending in me hating drawing when I could just draw what I want to draw in my spare time and keep enjoying it until I grow old and die
I hyperfixate on crafts and then drop them after a month, and I get this every time. One year I knitted 30-something hats and gave them out as Christmas presents. Luckily I had a full meltdown over just trying to open an Etsy page and gave up. But yeah! People act like selling the things you make isn't a lot of additional work.
I used to do fondant cakes. I'm not a professional, self taught, and I was pretty damn good at it. EVERYONE would always tell me to become a professional, I'd make so much money blah blah blah. I started selling my cakes a little and I haven't made one in about 5 years. The overwhelming stress, anxiety, demands and insulting amounts of money people would try to offer for 3 days of back breaking work just killed my passion. Never try to monetize your hobbies because it can destroy your passion. Hobbies are supposed to be fun and enjoyable and not a stressor
Aren't these just compliments? Sounds to me people were just teliing you you were on a professional level... Whether you pursue that should be totally up to yourself, but I wouldn't call these life defining curses
THIS... so much... It's just this massive "Why the heck are you pushing me? What, are you going to be an angel investor or something??" - Even when I tell someone WHY I don't do it... they just "oh whatever" and it's like No, listen... I just told you why I don't. STOP ASKING ME TO DO IT FOR MONEY. "Do a youtube channel and monetize it!!!" NO. You know why? Because I don't want to have to do a set number of things every single freakin' week and worry about viewership more than the thing I like doing. "Oh oh, but then you just make a whole bunch of things beforehand and you can parcel it out slowly at your own pace!" AGAIN... did I EVER say I WANTED to do a channel/tiktok/etc. about this? No. so why are you trying to find ways to make me do this thing I already said I don't want to do?
Man, I got that all the time with my drawings. I stopped showing people my art because I got so sick of hearing YoU ShOuLd SeLL YoUr ArT.
That your right to privacy no longer exists. Lack of privacy is being normalized on all levels of society. Parents posting every little picture of their child up til adulthood is so f****d up imo. They can't consent to that and then their whole life history has been willingly given up by their own parents. Government and big businesses should not be allowed to know every tiny detail about us. Listening/recording us will hurt all of us.
I read somewhere that we're past the point of return on this. Unless we hide in burrows in the middle of the woods, we're not getting our privacy back. EVER. Instead, apparently, we should claim our share of profits generated from our personal information. Like in "you get xxx$ for this volume of data we gather on you and resell". First time I read this my head exploded, but I'm starting to think that maybe beyond the obvious controversy, it's one way to regulate this crazy market. I wonder what you think about that, fellow bored pandas. EDIT: In no way I am justifying posting children's private stuff in social media. That's a completely different topic.
One good way to put the kibosh on it, or at least mitigate the effects of it, is to cut down on and/or severely limit social media use. Don’t depend on it as your social life. Don’t post anything but the most innocent and banal events on it. Since employers have developed the tendency to stalk applicants and employees online, only post stuff you’d be OK with them seeing. Keep the more personal stuff for other forms of communication that are hard to hack. You have pictures of your child? Mail copies to relatives who want to see them. Can’t hack snail mail. Now, don’t go thinking I’m some kind of Luddite, but I’m coming to the conclusion that the less you put yourself “out there”, the more private your life can be—-not everything you do is anybody else’s business—-and privacy is actually a good thing. It’s nice to be able to turn off the intrusions it can force on you, to actually relax, enjoy nature, pets, the people you live with, and have your time exclusively to yourself.
Load More Replies...I remember a friend of mine who had the idea in highschool to privatize your digital footprint. That everything about yourself online is located on your own personal server and for sites to access it they needed permission. Things have always seemed too far gone to implement though.
On fb if i want to post a pic of my 11 yo daughter il show her the pic and ask her permission first, know you cant do that with younger kids but always keep fb on private and only friends and family see pics.
I'm lucky to have a parent who asked for permission before posting anything about me or my life on social media. It's really sad others aren't as lucky
Until we act to ensure it, a "right" is a meaningless abstraction. Also a source of great hilarity for whomever is in power.
Staying quiet means good behavior
Context matters. We have do distinguish a) keeping the child quiet just for the sake of having a peaceful hour at home from b) teaching the kids that when someone else is speaking we should let him finish. I've met so many self-centred adults in my life, bragging about themselves and constantly talking over others, that to me the "staying quiet" definition has many different layers.
Some kids are quiet because they are abused at home? and that's what they do to not anger anyone. Or inattentive ADHD. Healthy happy kids are not quiet, they are inquisitive and playful.
Load More Replies...I remember on the first day of 7th grade the teacher asked us to write down what being respectful looked like and she got sad that everyone said "quiet" or "staying silent". She said she agreed that when she was talking for people to be quiet but was sad that people had battered into our brains that saying completely silent all the time meant respect.
"Children are to be seen and not heard" is one of the most horrible phrases ever uttered. I hope the person who came up with that phrase is burning in Hell now.
I am in therapy still trying to find my ability to speak up when I need to because of this nonsense, and I've been an adult for a while now
Load More Replies...So many girls with ADD/ADHD get overlooked because they are more likely to have 'quiet' symptoms instead of hyperactivity.
I have ADD and was not officially diagnosed until I was 18 (I'm 40 now). I had plenty of tests done to "figure out what was wrong" but the only answer given was "we know it's attentional, but we don't know what it is". The tests for ADD/ADHD (in children) are mostly based on results from male children, which is quite unfair and unrealistic, because it presents very differently in female children. This has been the case for decades and is only now starting to change. I think I would have done much better in school, and not have dropped out at 15 and not graduated or received my GED since, had the test/s been specific to the female ADD brain. If I had known what I was dealing with, mentally/developmentally/intellectually, I would have known what I needed in school and enjoyed it WAY more. I only really enjoyed English and parts of Social Studies (what I believe non-Canadians might call History) and parts of Science.
Load More Replies...Teach your kid to SHUT UP in a store! Tell them the difference between they need adult help or just being nasty-loud-spoiled. I get that most parents have heard their brat that they tune it out -- but it's c**p for the rest of us. If parents don't know the difference, when the child really needs help, no one will know.
Hahahahaq. I though staying quiet was trouble! Usually real trouble. The neighbour did NOT appreciate it when my daughter used the scissors the (stupid) neighbour gave her, to cut out pictures from magazines, to cut her two daughters hair!!
Staying quiet meant dad forgot you were not in bed yet and you stayed up later.
I'm too good at staying quiet. By the time I have pluck up the courage to speak, the topic of conversation has moved much too far away from what I wanted to talk about, for it to make sense for me to talk now.
It isn’t ok to fail or make mistakes. People aren’t perfect and you will make mistakes. Just don’t set yourself up to make ones that can hurt or kill others (drink or drug to the point where you don’t know not to drive or assault someone).
Yes and yes! Children grow with anxiety for failure because they're teached that successful people never make mistakes when they do a lot but try to fix them or learn from it. This will do damage in the future as they will fear challenge to avoid failure even if with minimal consequences and they'll never feel realized as that standard is unfeasible
The follow up to this... if/when you own up to your mistake.. it's NOT okay to double-down on reminding them about the mistake over... and over... and bringing up whenever you make a future mistake... and then bringing up aaaalll the mistakes as proof whenever you're telling the person what a failure they are... or using the mistake as an excuse to blame them for OTHER things...
Failure is the price of admission. So fail and try again and again until you succeed, master, or get it. Resilience is a necessary skill.
My father used to say if you never make mistakes, you're not trying hard enough.
You have to learn how to do it wrong before you can get it right. The road to success is paved with failure. They should be teaching kids to understand that never trying because they are afraid to fail is much worst than the failure itself. Besides, it doesn't have to be called "failure." You just found X amount of ways that don't work. Keep trying!
I've always said that what matters isn't that you made the mistake, but what you do once you have. First and foremost, you must take responsibility for it. Don't hide it, don't pretend it didn't happen, don't blame someone else. Apologize, sincerely, if the situation calls for it. Second, do what you can to return things to your pre-mistake state. Did you break something? Then fix or replace it if possible. It may not be truly possible to undo it, but you have to do your best. And last, and most important, LEARN from it. Figure out why it happened, and do your absolute best to not repeat it.
“Minor attracted persons”. Pedophiles. They’re pedophiles.
I don't understand what context this is related to. I thought this thread was about things parents say wrongly to their kids
Pedos trying to jump in on the LGBTQIA+ cmunty claiming thats their "sexuality"
Load More Replies...I heard about this, that they are trying to take advantage of kids by using the LGBTQIA thingy. I was told, if someone comes up to you and says, "I Identify as MAP,", just get out of there. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though
You're correct. Unless it's actually their initials, then nope the heck out of that situation
Load More Replies...I thought what tf? does that mean? Never heard such a namby pandy expression before. It's as vague as a fart in a thunderstorm. Please just say paedophile. We all know what that means!
And that pedophiles are attracted to children who haven't yet gone through puberty.
Not all of them but yes, there is a large portion who are It's all disgusting
Load More Replies...I think the term “Minor Attracted Person” was made to refer to all philes, as pedophiles are not the only ones. Unfortunately it came crashing down when people tried to make it an official sexuality…
Yes yes yes yes yes, there isn't enough time to type out all the yeses I want to say to this one. Should be way way farther up.
That the reason to behave and do the right thing is to avoid eternal punishment from mommy and daddy's imaginary friend in the sky.
However that does not give you the right to insult those of us who do practice religion.
I am Christian but I still see this one. That’s not the reason to do good. I’m actually questioning if I’m Christian Right now, but put it aside, saying I don’t have to worry about that’s cause I’ll be good no matter what.
Teach your kids to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. Defend your personal rules of conduct by their own merit and not your mythological belifs
If you need the threat of eternal punishment in order to be good, you are not good, you're a bad person. Good people simply just don't want to do harm to other people. Besides, what bad deed ACTUALLY deserves eternal punishment? Perhaps what Hitler did, and Stalin and Mussolini, and Pol Pot, but very, very few ordinary people do something so heinous that it deserves ETERNAL punishment.
I'm Christian. I don't think God gives a caca whether you follow dumb human rules, as long as you aren't committing genocide.
I'm really tired of people making fun of religion on this site. Some people believe and some don't there's no need for mockery.
When I was in kindergarten, a little schoolmate asked me if I believed in Jesus, I said no because I've never heard that name. He said I was going to burn for eternity in the lake of fire. This confused my 5 year old mind. I asked him about the third world countries that I'd seen in National Geographic. He said that they were going to burn forever too for not believing. I said that's wrong, they have no way of learning because they don't have books and schools to learn. I still remember that conversation, how evil and mindless it seemed. It turned me off to religion for life. I guess his parents brainwashing him backfired in the end, I was one less mindless sheeple to follow them into their idiocy.
We do need to teach children that it’s okay to be religious. The world has kinda done a 180 from being “it’s bad to not be religious” to “it’s bad to be religious,” when it’s okay to be both, as long as you respect others beliefs. Don’t weaponize religion or non religion.
That they can do anything and not face consequences. And I don't mean that in a "you wanna be an astronaut? That's awesome!" kind of way, I mean that in "anyone who tells you no is bullying you" I've got a 16 year old at my second job who tried to get me fired because I expected her to do her job when she was hungover. Sorry, but you chose to drink the night before a shift. Live with the consequences. At my main job in a school, I've got a 12/13 year old who thinks he can ignore the staff and get away with it. On Thursday, because I escalated the situation to his head of year, he said that I was a weirdo and noone even likes me anyways. (I really started looking inwards at that and re evaluating my entire personality, especially with how creative the insult was /s) I asked him to change his shoes and when he didn't I told him he couldn't play football. Then he got another kid to give him their trainers. Today, I've overheard a mother say "surely it's illegal to make a kid carry their school bag, a Chromebook (that the school has lent the child for free) and their PE kit but not give them a locker" ... I'm sorry what?? It really feels like we are teaching our kids to be victims who believe they are all special little heroes and it's never their fault if something goes wrong.
With regards to the backpack, I have a feeling it's far more than a chrome book and a PE kit. My kid has backpack that weigh around 20lbs. Books (I don't know why they need to carry books if they have a chrome book), notebooks, papers. My kids back hurts. And honestly those school backpacks aren't designed for support.
In school, we were required to take all our textbooks back and for to school every day because "no child left behind" laws. Some classes didn't have access to enough books to give all the kids a copy and still have enough for classrooms so we had to carry them. Others didn't have enough for 'every child' so those classes couldn't use the textbooks at all
Load More Replies...If school is supposed to be preparing kids for "the real world" there should be no homework unless it's extra credit, because in "real life" there's overtime for anything beyond 8hrs/day. If there's no homework, you don't need to carry more than one book at a time.
I was homeschooled for about half my life, my school days were rarely more than four hours and no homework. If the teachers cannot teach whet is needed in the time they have our kids then maybe their in the wrong job. Kids need time just to be kids.
Load More Replies...I get your point but schools should have lockers. Carrying items around the entire day that needs to maybe be used for an hour max is unnecessary. Pigeon holes would be a suitable alternative. Give kids somewhere to put their stuff they don't need in that lesson. A big enough textbook can double the weight of a bag
Buy buy buy work work work buy buy buy work work buy die
After a certain point in life, you no longer need things. At at certain age, you start purging your life of all that burdensome bovine manure.
First time I’ve seen the phrase “bovine manure” and it’s fantastic!
Load More Replies...This is such a HUGE toxic mindset, especially in the US. Few people have no work/life balance and they're miserable.
Nope, sorry. That's just modern ife. You can't avoid no matter how special you think you are.
Lack of conformity and daring to express yourself can result in lost education. Kids being suspended from school because they dared to express their individuality. Whether its clothing, dyed hair or whatever. None of it really matters compared to sending kids away from their education.
... hold your arm up to block a punch by a teacher? That makes you a dropout in 1967 germany. Ask my Dad about it ... he did just that. School never was meant to do any good to YOU, it's meant to provide the economy with willingly exploitable units of workforce, nothing else.
School is entirely geared towards the greatest good for the whole at the expense of the individual. That is it's function and strength, for better and worse. Though mostly worse it seems.
Is it just me, or do people need to stop teaching political c**p to middle schoolers, it's fine if you're in highschool, that's when you can bring like lgbt's into the question for example, but why would you teach that to a flipping MIDDLE SCHOOLER, especially when people are told to wait till at least highschool to date. Before anyone asks yes I realize about the whole "gender equality" thing, it doesn't make sense to teach it to them at THAT young though
Didn't know gender issues were "political c**p" why in younger grades, because kids are going thru puberty at younger and younger ages, and need to understand what is happening to them what it means, and not just in one context but all. Like sure teach the girls about getting you period but don't educate them on sex and meaning you can get pregnant and what that all means . And that's how you have ten year old pregnant by rapist needing to travel to another state to get an abortion.
Load More Replies...Just because I don't want to be a mindless "anybody" like everyone else doesn't make me a loser. LGBTQ people aren't losers either, they're actually the kindest people I've ever met. It seems to me like the "losers" are people like you who insist on putting everyone down til they're just as boring and spiteful as you
Load More Replies...That you should always go ‘above and beyond’ or whatever. Your workplace wont care and give you more work.
Depends on the job. Not all jobs are like this. Worked fast food n no my hard work wasnt appreciated. Work at the movies now n they reward "going above n beyond" with "good noodle stickers" when you get to a certain amount you get a $25 gift card outta a selection they have. :)
Not on board with this. If your job doesn’t appreciate your efforts get another one. If you don’t think you can get another one put in more effort. It’s a slippery slope to encourage NOT going above and beyond. That’s how we got this quiet quitting nonsense. Many places get by on the bare minimum, but I live in the US so I will comment on where I actually live. While people are quiet quitting in the US there are lines of immigrants wanting nothing more than to come here to go above and beyond, but people don’t want to let them in because they are “stealing our jobs”. The amount of privilege that comes with telling your kids all they have to do is enough because no one cares is incredible.
A corporation is nothing more than a legal abstraction which serves solely to benefit the few at the expense of the many. “Corporation” is a tool that, more than anything, resembles a garrote. It is simply greed, codified, and consequently has become the dominant institution which determines virtually every aspect of our lives. Capitalism is the ultimate hammer/nail dynamic. Corporations ensure that everything has a price tag, nothing has value, and the only choice of consequence is whether to be a hammer or a nail.
It depends on who benefits from the going above and beyond. If it's just your employer, then no. But if it's a job where you effect people - a teacher, a doctor, etc. - then yes, if you can. And there are some things you go above and beyond on simply because they're much more interesting that way.
Yup, then that will just be part of your job. No pay raise, you just do it as well as everything else now. Do your job, do it well, take on no more than your contract states. Go home and enjoy life.
The “be yourself” trope. It’s fine for things like hobbies or interests, but some people are just inherently toxic whether it’s genetic or a learned behavior. And then people justify their bad behavior by saying they’re just being themselves and if other people don’t like it that’s their own problem. There’s no incentive to curb harmful behavior and kids are being taught that it’s okay to act out because it’s just who they are.
Retired teacher here. (46 years). The behavior of bullies is overlooked so that we can "understand them, " while the victims of bullying commit suicide or drop out.
I don't get why we excuse bullying because something is going on in the bully's life (which is completely possible) but then turn around and punish the victim. I'm being bullied in school and apparently according to the teachers it's MY fault. Fml
Load More Replies...I think kids need to be taught the difference between what people think about them and how they make people feel. Like who cares if people THINK you're a weirdo as long as you don't make anyone FEEL uncomfortable or scared.
I will say I’m fine with people saying things like “i’m being myself, you don’t like it that’s your problem.” Bottom-line, I take that as someone setting their personal boundaries and I can’t do anything about that. I can, however, control my response to it. My aunt once said something similar and ended it with “take it or leave it”. I was just like “ok, I see that this is important to you and I respect that. However, I feel uncomfortable with it and since I can’t seem to change my reaction to this I’m going to choose “leave it.” I advised my mom to reply the same, as it was the healthiest and most respectful resolution for all involved. The aunt changed and we interact better now, but regardless of whether she changed or not I still think it’s fine to make that assertion to set one’s boundaries and to choose to leave a person in order to protect one’s boundaries.
Reading all the comments on this thread I feel the need to point out that 1. It is entirely possible to have compassion for the terrible things someone is experiencing (abuse, chronic illness, etc.) without also excusing bad behavior. And 2. It is entirely possible to teach children that it is OK, appropriate, and even necessary for positive mental well-being and self preservation to be themselves without encouraging or excusing bad behavior. Anyone who uses "I'm just being myself" as a way to justify bad behavior is just gaslighting and manipulating.
Oh yeah and the same applies to the sister term "brutal honesty". Everything can be said in a number of different ways. So if you cannot get your message through without being brutal, maybe you should reconsider your way of communicating. Honesty is good, but it is no excuse for being a bully.
This "be yourself" motto thrown at kids usually really means "be yourself in the way we as parents feel you should be yourself"
I always say "just be yourself, unless you're a horrible person... then fix yourself." Lmfao ... just to be clear I don't say this to kids.
People so desperately want children to be these pure angelic beings that can only be ever be bad because of society or parents or religion, but no. People are fully capable of being s**t on their own, no matter how old they are. It's all of societies' responsibility to push back against the harmful behaviors of individuals, that's the whole point of it.
Or if the "be yourself" thing has no effect whatsoever because they hear it everywhere, leading to them constantly trying to tailor themselves to other people and losing, or never learning, their hobbies/interests
Misogyny. Toxic gender roles. Whatever else Andrew Tate is shoveling down the throats of his young and impressionable audience. I've seen kids as young as middle school age repeating some of the insane s**t he says, to their own mothers.
Here's just a brief synopsis of the guy so that you can be informed without needed to bleach your eyes and ears. He's basically the King of Incels who believes that having dozens of female partners is totally OK but only if you're an alpha male. Oh and also women are supposed to serve their male masters. So yeah.
Load More Replies...When my daughter questions if she shouldn't do something like play with a truck instead of a doll for example because only the boys do that, I always say unless they activate it with their penis you can do it too. Makes her laugh at how rediculous the whole thing sounds and she carries on.
Not all gender roles are toxic however. I'm a stay at home Mom by choice.
It would be toxic if they made you do something due to your gender. If you choose it, it's a choice, not a toxic gender role.
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I have one.
This is very common in my country. You know kids run a lot, and they fall a lot. Most of the time (luckily!) they do not get hurt seriously. Sometimes, they simply are just fine. But they cry regardless. I was one of those kids.
Whenever that happen, parents would rush to their kids, and they slap on the ground (or whatever object near by) saying “Punish the ground for hurting my baby!”. Now, that may sound sweet if you are that kid, but gradually it could teach the kid something so dangerous: When you fall, it is something else (or someone else)’s fault. Kids will grow up blaming everything around them for their failures, before questioning themselves.
I remembered clearly this time when I just fell off the ground while playing, cried my lung out, and my whole family was in a mess. Especially my dad. He was so worried, checking my (totally pain-free) body for any wound, and kept asking “What made you fall? Was it a rock? Or was it your friend? Did she push you?”
Dad - I wanted to say - I really just fell off myself.
I always yelled Tada when my daughter fell, because 85% of the time she was fine, just waiting for my reaction to decide if she was hurt. She's 17 now, and if she stumbles she still yells Tada. Even if she's hurt something.
My mother learned quite early on that the best response to me getting hurt... was to laugh and say "Oopsie!". 99% of the time, I would look up in a state of shock and gage her reaction before determining how "injured" I was. If she laughed it off and I was barely hurt, I would laugh too. If I was actually injured, I'd cry and she'd know something was legitimately wrong... sometimes I wonder how many ER trips are just mothers who gasped when their child bumped their head.
When I was teaching my children how to ride a bike I would cheer and be excited when they fell. I told them that you become an expert rider when you have fallen 100 times. Falling wasn't so bad after that.
A lot of the time, the children are more shocked than hurt. I usually respond to a fall with 'upsie daisy' or something else light hearted. If it is just shock they will usually think it's not so bad and move on. If it is actually pain you have given them time to think about how to verbalise what hurts.
You can tell by the type of cry of the kid is actually hurt or if they're "at it". My kid got a cuddle and some chocolate once when they fell over ( it was a very sore one that time) and for weeks after would actually dive to the floor like the best pro-football (soccer) player and look around for the attention.
I always find it hard to not laugh in those situations. My stepdaughter (6) is kind of a drama queen, but sometimes she doesn't even hold the right part of her body when she bumped something (like, she hit her left shoulder on sth. but between hitting it and looking for someone who'll give her attention she doesn't remember where, so she'll grab her arm very theatrically and start "crying" over the non-existent hurt on her forearm...). So I'll go "oh, did you hurt yourself? Is [body part] still attached?" and wiggle that part gently, then the next, until she usually giggles. She does it less and less, but I'm glad her younger sisters are less drama-prone so far...
Load More Replies...I learned that kids usually react based on parental response. If mom/dad freaks out n gets worried the kids more likely to cry n freak out. If the parent laughs/ask you good? Calmly, the kid is more likely to get up n be fine. Learned this the hatd way n late in childhood. Mom used to freak out when i fell so id cry n get scared about what made me fall. When she started dating my now (step)dad hed take me out on daddy daughter days. If i fell hed just ask if i was ok n guess what? Id stand up check myself over n nod. He helped break me n mom of that old bad habit
I always said "no arterial spray? Good!! You'll be ok." Then together we would fix whatever hurt. Pain is inevitable, how we teach our kids to react to it, that's a choice. Fix it or cry and lament and wail over it. One way fixes it the other way simply procrastinates the inevitable...fixing it
Kids fall. It's a fact of life. Let them fall. Just be there to lend a hand minus the inane commentary.
That everyone is a winner.
It's ok to be average. I was always an overachiever. I paid for being a winner, and now I pay for that with my health. Also, I missed out on a lot of good experiences because I was busy being the best.
My cousin suffers from anxiety. I think that school and the pressure to achieve, not to mention her pushy father, are the reasons.
Load More Replies...I think it's because interpersonal skills learned in childhood hands are being left side somehow with video games. Game in the past were just a set of rules and skills you had to learn and use to work toward a goal. Games today are often designed to just be as easy as possible, with no penalty for losing, to keep you playing for as long as possible. Lots of people today can't handle being challenged in a way that prevents them from progressing.
Yeah my nephew is learning to lose. It's not going the greatest but he's slowly learning. Letting your kid win all the time to build confidence can definitely backfire; they need to learn noone is perfect and you won't win all the time. And also, don't cheat to win; don't think I didn't notice you swipe extra marbles in the game you little jerk 🤪
Remember shaming us for participation ribbons? We didn’t come up with that. Some adults did. I was given a 6th place ribbon for some running thing in elementary or middle school and I kept it because I thought it was the dumbest idea. I couldn’t run and I still can’t. But dance? Bike? Ski? Yes! But no participation ribbons for me. I didn’t even want trophies as an undergrad.
of course, only the evil minions are winners; it controls all and then switch the blame on airy things like luck, life lottery, entitlement for those who don't believe the c**p... the first positions are always political and used for politics; more and more of them as the time goes.
That your worth is in anyway linked to the number or ranking from an assessment. For most people how you do in standardised tests is not as important an indicator for the rest of your life as we bring the children up to believe it is. My kids are both in primary school. For me I hate that this focus on assessment results at this early stage is more important than their learning journey. I am not sure if that makes sense but a 7 year old should be learning and discovering and not worried about the assessment tools used by the school''s reporting and administration processes.
I'm a teacher (early childhood and primary) and have always been against standardised tests and homework for primary students. It does nothing to help them. Kids learn best through inquiry processes and play. Even more stupid, the standardised national test students do in Australia (in year 3, 5, 7 and 9) are supposed to be just to 'see how the schools are going so ones more in need can get more funding'. What it actually means is principals tell teachers they need to get as high a ranking as possible and teachers have to 'teach for the test'. This means you aren't assessing what students know from their regular learning, but what they can recite from extra lessons. Stupid system.
I remember being taken aback at seeing SAT "learn how to test" books. People would 'study' by mindlessly drilling for months to get good at answering a specific test, instead of just learning the material-or God forbid, accepting that they may just score lower than someone else and that college may not be the best thing for them. There's such a massive breakdown between students and learning today I don't know if it'll ever get fixed.
Load More Replies...Lots of schools say they value their students over their test scores, but from personal experience, it sure doesn't seem like it
Yes! Just like how most companies say they value their employees then set unrealistic productivity standards that prevent them from having a life outside of work.
Load More Replies...This was basically my entire worth growing up. Let me tell you - when you get to be an adult and there are no more grades and rankings, you have NO idea what to do with yourself. And I missed out on so much because that was there only thing I was allowed/ encouraged to focus on. Don't do this to your kids.
Also grading kids for their HOMEWORK. I was surprised when I started high school that homework wasn’t graded!
Saying "parents aren't perfect" as a justification for toxic or abusive parenting.
Counterpoint, as a mom to a 5 year old, we think it's important to let our kid know that, no, we're not perfect, because nobody is. They learn to identify and communicate their own struggles when we can show them ourselves owning our mistakes. Too many people take the opposite road of "I'm the parent, therefore I am perfect, no questions allowed." But trying to excuse toxic behaviors by saying "hey, that's just how I am" also sucks.
Parents that pretend that saying they "aren't perfect" is the same as apologizing, need to have the children taken away from them
“Nobody is perfect” doesn’t mean the same thing as “everybody is terrible.” Being a parent and excusing yourself of whatever you’ve done to (or not done for) your children by saying “nobody’s perfect” is BS. That phrase doesn’t give anyone a free-pass for being a shitty parent. Example 1: You goof up and occasionally forget to pack your kid’s lunch? But they have an extra $5 in their backpack in case this happens? Sure, it happens, nobody’s perfect.— Example 2: Your kid is struggling through school for years, but you never get them tested for neuro-developmental or neuro-cognitive disorders so they continue to struggle for years all the way into adulthood. No. You don’t get a “nobody’s perfect” card to use. You get the “child abuse by neglect” card. Doubly so if you didn’t seek the help the kid needed due to your pride or unease with neuro/psych matters. And if you have any sense of decency or an ounce of respect toward the human you created and then slighted, you’d own that card.
That your worth is tied to obedience and functioning. Your punished for many things, often with scorn and anger, even when you’re still very young. It can be very impactful on your life and as a das it often breaks my heart hearing what people tell their children when they are emotional. Examples being „Stop crying, it’s nothing“ for the most basic and „if you don’t stop crying, there will be consequences X“ to amp it up a little.
The one I dislike the most is when an adult says “bad girl” or “bad boy” for something they’ve done! What they SHOULD be saying is that the action done by the child was bad.
We always try to stress to our kid that while his behavior or his choice may have been bad, that that doesn't make HIM bad. Out kids are not "bad," they're learning. We need to teach them how to make the right choices, not try to break them into submission.
Load More Replies...IS THAT all you got from your mother??? I was told I was ugly so often as a child I believed it. Looking back at my old photos, I now realise that I was really rather pretty, in a healthy way
I don't totally agree. A child crying because mommy said she was not buying the candy/toy/whatever should be told to stop crying/pitching a fit.
If you don’t play five different sports and make straight a’s in the process you are a failure in life. I’m from NC and I go to a school that has patent that do this so they look good on Facebook, thankfully not my parents.
Mostly yeah, my parents want me to be perfect in academics. I’m trying to tell them that the concepts are getting harder and that is one of the reasons my grades are dipping but they don’t listen, they assume that I’m doing it on purpose or that my teachers aren’t teaching
Load More Replies...That if anyone disagrees with you it’s wrong- the best thing about this world is all the opinions, but it’s how some people show their opinions that’s wrong. Also, wherever you are, people will dislike you for who you are. Stop whining and get over it
The last sentence is harmful. Nowadays, I am getting treated like a punching bag by the kids who live in my area. They always try to beat me up in some way or the other. How do I get over this so easily? My father is teling me that I should hang out with them more as they need to know me better. We all know that people will dislike us everywhere but you should’nt tell people they are “whining” when they are trying to understand why they are being disliked.
Parents who are telling their kids that they can openly reject a line of thinking they don’t like. On a bit of a separate note, I’m seeing a lot of comments about gender identity and sexuality, most of which are saying we aren’t letting “kids be kids” and that we are forcing them to think about their gender. I knew my gender in 1st grade, and I knew I was attracted to women in 2nd grade. Part of being a kid also means developing crushes, having your first kiss (for some), or learning about who you feel comfortable being close next to. I’m not seeing anyone here mentioning how normal it is for Herero boys to say “I have a crush on a girl at school” so let’s also let kids be able to say “I feel like a girl” and believe them when they say it. If they’re wrong, they’ll admit it later. Y’all think kids are going to keep up a facade sexuality forever? The f**k? Edit: source - am teacher
The transgender bs is ruining this country. Change my mind about that fantasy life. Really, don't. Because it will never. And this is coming from a 45 yo female who is basically an 18 yo dude. Been a 'tomboy' my entire life, my kids have jokingly said they have 2 dads, and I have issues referring to myself as a woman, but I still know there is only 2 genders. The 97 new genders has gone way beyond reality and I refuse to acknowledge it or comply with what they are demanding of others as they seem to be some of the biggest hypocritical people around. Let me do me, but you cant do you because it hurts my feelings. Especially as it seems many in that group are force feeding the bs to young children to make them feel better about themselves having some confusion. Thankful I grew up in the 80s.
How exactly r they force feeding it to children? And what r these 97 other genders y'all r always going on about like can u list them? This whole comment is contradictory
Load More Replies...That staying back a grade is a bad thing. It’s not. If you need extra time to learn something, take it! That’s so much better than not ever learning it and then continuing to do poorly in all your future classes, never being able to learn any of the content because you were never properly taught the basics when you were younger, causing you to fall extremely far behind in life. All this would’ve been avoided if you would’ve just been held back one extra year, maybe two in the earlier years of school. Where I live, basically nobody gets held back even if they’re failing. It takes practically nothing to pass a grade and it’s going to set up a lot of kids for failure.
Schools do this to save money. Teachers are encouraged to just move kids along by saying, " If we need an extra section of English I for repeaters, you won't be able to teach that elective class you've been wanting to teach."
Actually, usually it is because parents refuse to listen to teacher's suggestions, like it is a slight on them if their child is 'behind'. In saying that, staying back is not the only way to help students that are behind. Often they need more support within the system more. There is more to school than the academic side and often students will do better when they aren't separated from their current social group and stigmatised by staying down.
Load More Replies...On the topic of staying back a year in school. *clears throat* My mom used to threaten to hold me back a year in school for crying at something…
And with this, parents wanting to enroll their kids young for elementary school. I know childcare is expensive, but it will really harm your kid to be pushed beyond what they are developmentally ready for! I have seen parents do all kinds of things to go around age cut offs for schools! They are there for a reason!
If I hadn't been held back a grade I would have never thrived. I was being relentlessly bullied, both by students and one of the teachers. So I stopped doing the work and I failed. The next year, the bullying teacher was gone, I made real friends and excelled at all my subjects, not because I was doing it again, but because I had a support system of friends and teachers encouraging me along.
Overworking to death
That they are somehow personally responsible for saving the f*****g environment.
I have to get my car inspeced for emissions every two years. What about the 18-wheelers nd cruise ships, who pollute way more than I do?
There's definitely no point in making kids feel guilty about, like, corporate emissions, but at the same time it's good to teach them to do the little things, like not littering, or turning off the lights when they leave a room.
I agree that one person alone can’t save the environment. However, take this scenario: There is a fish pond with 16 fish. There are four villagers. For a villager to survive, they must take at least two fish each year. At the end of the year, the fish population doubles. The sustainable amount to take is two. However, one villager takes four because they want more fish. This causes a different villager to think, “Oh, X is taking four fish. So I can take three then, I’m not taking as many as X is.” But then the entire village ends up suffering because there aren’t enough. Teach students that it is not a battle they alone are fighting, but they must be a part of the battle.
That if you don’t do good in school you won’t or can’t be successful But at the same time the gravity of how important it is to study People who study can be successful but it doesn’t guarantee success. What will make you successful however is being really good at something _and_ practicing it.
Yep, spent so much time studying that I didn't develop any social skills or self-confidence which made me completely useless in job interviews or networking.
Like in anything, put in the effort and work. Whether you're #1 or the worst person at it. Satisfaction is had.
That everyone can do everything at competitive levels and win. And that everyone gets a trophy for trying. There’s a lot of nuance to this, because you also don’t want to not allow kids to try new things or activities that interest them. But my god it’s more than okay to have winners and losers in sporting events or kids that are awarded differently for excelling at an art. There’s a powerful lesson in being humbled and respecting that some people (even kids) are really just next level skill sets. Same thing with learning to lose respectfully / honorably. That said there is so much more to any sport/hobby/art than winning or losing. Even if you aren’t the best at something there is plenty to take away from it, and you don’t need participation awards to prove anything. Seems like a lot of adults struggle with accepting that someone else is more capable at given tasks or activities and I think that some of that comes from never having to deal with being the “loser”.
That boys are bad... And girls need to be more like boys in order to be successful in life...
Again, it’s what they’re DOING that’s bad, not the child. That last part must be a new thing. I’ve never heard anyone ever say it land I was born in the 60’s
If you feel like you don't know what you are doing with your life, remember things that you would lose yourself in as a kid; things that really held your interest. Those are your natural inclinations, and what you should be doing for work is in there somewhere. I would meditate on that. You've always known what you wanted to be when you grew up, but some adult pushed their own ideas of what you should be when you grew up onto you and stifled your own creativity. Wake it back up. The Mozarts and Leonardo Davincis and Wozniaks of the world simply held on and followed that inclination. They weren't necessarily geniuses. They just had passion to keep them going when what they were doing was extremely difficult.
Very true. But sometimes by the time you're an adult, the circumstances have changed, and the opportunity has passed. Better not to crush their little spirits in the first place.
Again, sister Agnes Marie and all she did to encourage me. Especially when I wasn't my older sister. Something my parents always felt the need to remind me of. Even most of my teachers did. I was always "Margarets sister" and never Elizabeth and THAT was so harmful
I’m sure my sisters gonna solve global warming the second we begin traveling to mars
Politics. Parents that push politics on their children are the worst. I used to hang out with this kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up, and his dad was the most hardcore atheist I’ve ever met to this day. He would tell his son that all religious people are stupid and he even tried to get him to convince me that my parents were stupid for taking me to church. If you do that to your kids — You’re a bad person.
What are you trying to say? First of all Politics and religion are two different things, neither if which should be forced onto a child. Also if raising a child to be an atheist is so bad, how is raising a child to be religious any better? Yes the parents should encourage their children to be more tolerant and respectful of other people's beliefs and their rights to have them but at the same time religious people can be incredibly intolerant of atheist/agnostic people and say incredibly f***ed up things to them so it's not really that different..
When you are a minority, it's important to talk to your kids about politics. For example, if your kid is gay, you need to provide them with the tools to deal with the real world. On the other hand, if you are male white and cis, you should learn about privilege.
I think it would be better to say don't force your beliefs and opinions on your kids. They need to learn and decide for themselves. Don't discourage your child because you don't believe in something; let them learn and decide for themselves. Of course discourage things like sexism, racism and hate but if they want to believe in a religion or not they should not be dissuaded or told their belief is wrong.
I suspect you'll find more religious people saying this type of thing about atheists rather than this way around - you met one, and of course, there's more but nowhere near the same numbers.
problem is politics truly became a wat if life for some, so teaching the family ways is a must.
Is it just me, or do people need to stop teaching political c**p to middle schoolers, it's fine if you're in highschool, that's when you can bring like lgbt's into the question for example, but why would you teach that to a flipping MIDDLE SCHOOLER, especially when people are told to wait till at least highschool to date. Before anyone asks yes I realize about the whole "gender equality" thing, it doesn't make sense to teach it to them at THAT young though
Because some kids have gay parents and they're going to realize well before middle school that there's something different about their family?
Load More Replies...Follow the expected path to your 20s instead of using all the info on the internet to make whatever idea you have a reality now
That they have a choice in their gender.
Why are people downvoting this person? They clearly just wanted to understand what it meant.
Load More Replies...Cause I mean I'm genderfluid and change my gender almost every couple hours so
Load More Replies...I'm not sure anyone thinks it's a 'choice' - except for bigots, of course, the same with sexuality. It doesn't affect you in any way so don't worry about it.
I can't imagine many parents are actually saying this to their kid. I can, however, imagine your average fear-based reactionary who likely votes a particular way is under the impression that they are. My goodness, please be more rational and use caution before jumping to conclusions about what other people are saying and doing in their private lives. Give your fellow human beings the benefit of your doubt, first. This is also called being decent.
I mean again I’m supportive but when my five year old cousins is lgbtq I’m starting to think they heard it somewhere and thought it sounds cool
Haha, yep, idc if I get down voted for this. BOYS CAN BE BOYS AND LIKE GIRLY THINGS, GIRLS CAN BE GIRLS AND LIKE BOYISH THINGS!!!
Agreed. You can't change your sex and "gender" is a ridiculous made-up ideological concept. What defines whether they're male or female are your chromosomes - if there is a Y chromosome, you're male, if there isn't, you're female. Simple as that. A liking for the colour pink or a preference for dresses and skirts doesn't make you female, nor does some mystical, magical, indefinable "feeling" that you're the opposite sex.
Gender clearly exists and affects people in the real world, though. The historical battle of feminism is to change the gendered position of women, not the biological one. You yourself just alluded to the colour pink and skirts as female traits when they aren't, they're feminine-gendered ones. In future, try knowing what the words mean BEFORE having an opinion on them.
Load More Replies...Best one on here. So many parents, teachers, and people lacking common sense feel they can switch gender on a daily or even hourly basis as a comment here stated. Like wtf? Just no. The idiocy with this new social trend is worse than the hip hop trend of 'bi*ches and h*es' dancing to songs on the internet for likes as if they are nothing but a bag of t&a to shake for that n word i can't say to have suck their d*cks. Wow. (I witnessed that atrocity earlier from a video about 'hit you with the blick' and then searched the lyrics for that mess of a 'song'. And that is what these 'role models' think is acceptable to pump into the ears of other humans including young children. I must seriously be old school. But I'm damn proud of being old school. Damn, these people need some Tom Macdonald in their ears.
What the actual f**k is this comment
Load More Replies...EW WHO TF TAUGHT U THAT IT IS WRONG TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING YOU CAN'T CHOOSE
I would like to add another one here. Always expecting them to have good grades, and berating them when they don't. I currently have an A- in Chemistry, and my dad told me when he saw it, "Oh, you're just barely scraping by". I've had more breakdowns in the last week then I've had in my life because of the stupid homework that I don't understand.
I used to get so scared on report card day that I would shake because of this. If I brought home straight A's I'd get a 'that's nice'. But once I had 3 C's. Nothing worse, everything else was an A or B. My dad told me, and this is his exact words, "Get out of my sight. I don't even want to look at you. You make me sick."
Load More Replies...I got a tad confused midway through these, I think maybe it's two different listings combined 😳
The number one thing that should be on the top of the list should be racism
"No means no and don't ask me again."** I get that my parents didn't want me to keep asking for a damned cookie or the bike they couldn't afford... But as an adult this mentality has been super detrimental in the pursuit of my dreams and career growth. It took me 20 years to realize "no" doesn't mean no, it means you're not asking the right person, you're not in the right job, the timing is off. Don't ask once and then drop it; keep asking; keep trying; keep searching. (**Unless we're talking about sexual consent and then obviously "No does mean no.")
I posted a comment above in a similar vein, I am not comfortable with touch and never have been, my brother would always force his daughter to hug me even though it was clear both she and I were uncomfortable to it, all I got from him was 'whats wrong with you??!' I just believe in allowing people, especially kids make their own decisions of that nature, if she doesn't want to hug me she should not be forced into it, and likewise; setting a bad example telling her she has no bodily autonomy. I told her a few weeks ago now she is 13 when we met in the city that I am not comfortable with touch and I am not a hugger, I don't know if she will think it is just her, but I am not comfortable at all with any kind of physical contact.... (she has been through things so I am especially aware how damaging to a kids psyche this can be)
Load More Replies...A big deal for me is my brother not teaching my niece body autonomy, basically forcing her to hug me when she was very young, I am not a hugger and now she is 13 I told her this, not in a nasty way, but by simply saying I am not comfortable with touch, maybe she will think instantly it is her, but I believe people should have the choice to hug....and be allowed to make the decision themselves.....
I would like to add another one here. Always expecting them to have good grades, and berating them when they don't. I currently have an A- in Chemistry, and my dad told me when he saw it, "Oh, you're just barely scraping by". I've had more breakdowns in the last week then I've had in my life because of the stupid homework that I don't understand.
I used to get so scared on report card day that I would shake because of this. If I brought home straight A's I'd get a 'that's nice'. But once I had 3 C's. Nothing worse, everything else was an A or B. My dad told me, and this is his exact words, "Get out of my sight. I don't even want to look at you. You make me sick."
Load More Replies...I got a tad confused midway through these, I think maybe it's two different listings combined 😳
The number one thing that should be on the top of the list should be racism
"No means no and don't ask me again."** I get that my parents didn't want me to keep asking for a damned cookie or the bike they couldn't afford... But as an adult this mentality has been super detrimental in the pursuit of my dreams and career growth. It took me 20 years to realize "no" doesn't mean no, it means you're not asking the right person, you're not in the right job, the timing is off. Don't ask once and then drop it; keep asking; keep trying; keep searching. (**Unless we're talking about sexual consent and then obviously "No does mean no.")
I posted a comment above in a similar vein, I am not comfortable with touch and never have been, my brother would always force his daughter to hug me even though it was clear both she and I were uncomfortable to it, all I got from him was 'whats wrong with you??!' I just believe in allowing people, especially kids make their own decisions of that nature, if she doesn't want to hug me she should not be forced into it, and likewise; setting a bad example telling her she has no bodily autonomy. I told her a few weeks ago now she is 13 when we met in the city that I am not comfortable with touch and I am not a hugger, I don't know if she will think it is just her, but I am not comfortable at all with any kind of physical contact.... (she has been through things so I am especially aware how damaging to a kids psyche this can be)
Load More Replies...A big deal for me is my brother not teaching my niece body autonomy, basically forcing her to hug me when she was very young, I am not a hugger and now she is 13 I told her this, not in a nasty way, but by simply saying I am not comfortable with touch, maybe she will think instantly it is her, but I believe people should have the choice to hug....and be allowed to make the decision themselves.....
