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Life is a continuous learning experience, and it just so happens that sometimes we make mistakes and go down wrong paths!

So, to perhaps make you feel better about your so-called hiccups, Bored Panda has garnered a list of 22 accomplished "geniuses" who lost the plot and succumbed to, well, "idiocy" and never bounced back. Now, grab a snack or a nice little bev, pull your chair in closer, and enjoy the ride. 

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#1

“What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Elon musk comes to mind immediately. Well, he was probably an idiot the whole time but he had the veneer of a genius for a while

crispier_creme , Daniel Oberhaus Report

Luke Branwen
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let's get him to the 1st place. Without his family's apartheid emerald mine money, he'd be just another incel chud complaining about "forced diversity" on the internet.

les
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

but he is just another incel chud complaining about "forced diversity" on the internet.

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CaptainFluffy
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He just accused the First Minister of Scotland (Humza Yousaf) of being racist because Humza pointed out that he’s quite often the only non white person in the room in 99% of his meetings. Elon is a prime twatface.

BTDubs
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I saw that too. As Frankie Boyle once said, Musk has "a personality bad, even by South African standards"...

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James016
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

PSA: He did not start up Tesla. He just took it over.

marianne eliza
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He paid $44 Billion to buy a company worth $25 Billion and with hard work and diligence, turned it into an $8 Billion company.

Id row
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's the first one that popped into my head when I saw the topic title. I think he first showed he was insane when those kids got trapped in the cave and instead of waiting to use his invention that would save them, a different guy was able to get him out. Musk ended up slandering tf out of him, calling him a pedo and it actually resulted in a lawsuit. Musk had better lawyers and got off. The wealthy do not face justice.

Sue User
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That was the turning point for me. I fell for all the " isnt he great articles" but reading that ?

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Erik Ivan
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thing is, you can be a genius in some areas - and Musk are a genius in some areas - while being a total twatt in every other aspect of life. Just like Musk. Because he is a... why bother, Bored Panda will sensor any good name for what that dude are.

Rebekah Krause
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In what area is he a genius? Being born rich? He has not designed or invented almost anything for which he is credited. But he seems to cause businesses more harm than good. Suspect he is very much like Trump, if you could simply invested his money and a high yield savings account he would (all of us would) be better off.

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Mario Strada
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, he was really never a genius but was very good at taking credit for other people's innovation. "Founder of Tesla"? Not so much, he contractually obligated the actual tesla owners to make him a "founder" retroactively. I mean, the guy is smart, don't get me wrong, but then so am I and a lot of other people that don't act like douchebags online for kicks.

Xenia Harley
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He apparently takes a lot of drugs. Hard drugs. Google it. IMHO he is crazy.

Bouche and Audi and Shyla, Oh My!
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2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The game "Good Pizza, Great Pizza" features him as a "special visitor" alongside such people as Mozart and Dracula.

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    #2

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Rudy Giuliani. Not really genius, but highly respected - in terms of going from being nearly universally well-regarded to an absolute joke, he’s definitely up there

    Chreddit14 , Gage Skidmore Report

    sofacushionfort
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, he was always a sham. His reputation as a New York mafia-busting state prosecutor was based on the independent work of the feds. His career as mayor was just a rightward swing of the pendulum that had reached its annoying limit by 9/11.

    Appalachian Panda
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    True, but he was well-regarded by people who didn't know any better. He could've just retired or gone into the private sector after 2001 and most of us would have never known what a wanker he really is.

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    Der Kommissar
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Rudy said it was safe to start the cleanup of the 9-11 site immediately. Over 500 people got cancer after working there.

    -
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Regarding him and Trump: with friends like Giuliani, who needs prosecutors? "Sure he did it, but it wasn't a crime when *he* did it." Not that I feel bad for the other idiot.

    nm
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have read that he was a good mayor for NYC but now is a bozo with dyed hair with the dye running down his face.

    Michael Largey
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you look at his record, he was always a thug.

    Id row
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was America's mayor in '01. No idea how the goblins in his head took over.

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    #3

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Ben Carson, world acclaimed neurosurgeon and believer that the pyramids of Egypt were built to store grain.

    atlmobs , Gage Skidmore Report

    Appalachian Panda
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He believes in the literal truth of the Genesis creation story as well as a bunch of fringe right-wing fundamentalist nonsense.

    ShadowMorph2
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've never heard of him, but that's hilarious

    Zedrapazia
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You see, the pharaohs really loved their grain so they wanted to be buried in it ...

    Libstak
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A classic case in your lane

    Xandra
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, Daniel Jackson was kicked out of Academia when he said the pyramids were built by aliens, and guess who was right? :)

    Randy Klefbeck
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because you are an expert at one particularly difficult thing, does not mean you are in any way an authority on any other matter.

    LinkTheHylian
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did... did he perform surgery on himself? And balls it up?

    René Sauer
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly, that´s at least better then believing aliens were somehow involved in building the pyramids.

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    #4

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) At my university we had a Harvard educated ER physician ruin his career and go to prison because he was hiding cameras in employee bathrooms I think that qualifies lol

    DrDilatory , Karolina Grabowska Report

    Luke Branwen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've always wondered why do people do this when there are literally exabytes of porn freely accessible on the 'net.

    Hokuloa
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would imagine because they get off on seeing the specific people around them like their coworkers. Perhaps their subtle suggestions of only fans go unheeded? All jokes aside, trying to understand creepers being creepy…

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    Elio
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of times being a sexual predator overrides common sense.

    #5

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) I think Steve Jobs was a marketing and sales genius. Then when it came to his treatable cancer ... well I wouldn't call him an idiot, but he placed his faith in the wrong person and his "I always win" attitude cost him his life. He was unlucky to get cancer, but lucky that it was treatable at the stage it was discovered ... but he ignored his doctors and thought that changing his diet would heal him.

    ClownfishSoup , Ben Stanfield Report

    WindySwede
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He also fired people as a joke? And other 'nice' stuff?

    El Cucuy
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    HIs treatment of his daughter for a good portion of her life is deplorable. He was a horrible human being.

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    Mabelbabel
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was an idiot. I know people have autonomy over their own health and treatment decisions, but the type of tumour he had was eminently survivable. He had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour (NET). These are NOT the horribly malignant pancreatic cancers that rapidly kill-islet cell NETs have a 95% 5 year survival following standard medical and surgical treatment. 95% of patients survive 5 years after diagnosis if they choose conventional therapeutic options. Instead, he decided to disregard conventional medicine and died as a result.

    James016
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    By all accounts he was an complete arsehole from the beginning. Pretty sure he tried to screw over Wozniak as well.

    Fat Harry
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Several times, including telling him they'd been paid a lot less for some jobs than they'd actually been paid, and pocketing the difference himself.

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    Philly Bob Squires
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like tRump and his worm killer covid treatment??

    Id row
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People reach a certain amount of wealth and they think they're untouchable and every move they make will turn out in their favor. All that a$$ kissing and reverence made him think he was a god.

    JP Purves
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's not the only one. Many normally intelligent people decide to go with unproven (sometimes dangerous/useless) treatments for diseases.

    René Sauer
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    wasn´t he also the guy who only bathed like once a month or some s**t?

    SlightlyTarnished
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, the 5yr survival rate for pancreatic cancer if caught early before spreading from pancreas is only 27%, drops to 7% if escaped. I don't think odds were on his side.

    Clare E
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not for the type of tumour he had. 95% survival at 5 years.

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    Wintermute
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's because of this guy that none of my electronics have more than one or two buttons. Functional, tactile, efficient buttons. For some reason this one screwjob didn't like buttons, and now the whole world has to do without them. Screw Jobs.

    Steve Hall
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jobs survived eight years before succumbing to the disease in 2011. The five-year survival rate for pancreatic cancer is only nine percent. Since PNETs are so uncommon, their treatment options are not yet well-defined. Currently, there is no standard of care or standard treatment for these types of tumors.

    Clare E
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The type he had had a 95% survival rate at 5 years with treatment.

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    #6

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) John Harvey Kellog. Nutritionist, inventor of corn flakes. Then decided that being a eugenicist was better. Oh, and decided that women’s clitorises should be burned off with acid or removed altogether.

    twitwiffle , FotoGuy 49057 Report

    Luke Branwen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He invented the cornflakes because he believed it would douse the sexual urges.

    Panda-sized Potato
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cornflakes was created by accident when a batch of cereal dough was left out over night. Instead of throwing it out, it was rolled and ended up as a flake. He did invent the malted nut cereal, which the recipe was stolen by C.W. Post. Post also stole the cornflakes recipe, too.

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    Teutonic Disaster
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I knew the guy was weirdly hung up on the concept of human lust, but the clitoris thing? Yikes!!

    Zedrapazia
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Someone should have cut his dingdong off!

    BluEyedSeoulite
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Him and his brother split ways because he refused to add sugar to make his cereal more palatable. He truly felt that blandness would curb lust

    SCP 4666
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What needs to happen in someone's life to condemn sexuality like that?

    SlightlyTarnished
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He is also a key reason circumcision is prevalent in the US. He held enough sway to advocate circumcision as a deterrent to masturbation. Dude was fücking mental.

    Tuesday
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    EXCUSE ME OUCH?!?! WHY?!?!?!??!

    Teutonic Disaster
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because lust, especially of the female variety, makes the Baby Jesus™ cry or something. 🙄

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    Jaya
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, major a*****e. But that is one magnificent moustache! I am in awe.

    Karen Lyon
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had to do a biographical paper on Kellog for a class I took when I was teaching in the Seventh Day Adventist system and working toward a credential. (Kellog was very big in the Adventist church in his time, and was a close friend of the church's founder, although he was eventually disfellowshipped. ) One source I found recently described him as having a quest for wellness along with a prejudice againts people who did not meet his criteria for excellence. That's him in a nutshell. He had a big hand in changing medical practices toward the more modern, safer medicine we have today. However, some of the "therapies" he did in his sanitarium/spa were extreme and eventually discredited. The "perfectionism" also resulted in his eugenict views and his insistence on sexual purity (celibacy). This extended to his own marriage of decades: they never consummated the relationship. Adopted eight children, though. Definitely a fringe guy in many ways.

    Ervin Conn
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Check out "The Road to Wellville". A lot of interesting actors. Anthony Hopkins plays Kellog.

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    #7

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) As a Pole I have to mention an absolute winner from our side: Lech Walesa - he posts the stupidest s**t you could imagine on social media, always speaks about himself as a sole savior of the entire human race, everything, EVERYTHING is happening thanks to him. He is posting this on a Polish equivalent of Reddit, so people are just teasing him there to post even more of such stupidities and he always falls for that. On top of that he posts there his naked photos in a bathtub full of beer, posts poorly photoshopped posters of himself with other historical figures… basically the guy made a walking meme out of himself… And he is still giving lectures on European Universities as a special guest somehow… Edit: I didn’t realize this needs to be added, but he is a Peace Noble Prize winner, the face and one of the leaders of the solidarity movement and a former president of Poland…

    JustYeeHaa , Olivier Ezratty Report

    Bec
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I believe there are a disproportionate amount of narcissists and sociopaths in leadership positions

    Dr Robert Neville
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    UKer here, I didn't realise how much the Poles hated Lech until I had a chat with a Polish guy in a pub. From what he said Lech is despised at home, I told him that my experience is seeing him on the news as a child almost weekly, to us in the UK he was the face of Solidarnosc, he was shocked. If what he said is true then it's likely he's a bit of a pariah and gone a little mad.

    Bill Potts
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like he has an ego problem and maybe a fantasy that he's a sex symbol. Another Pavel Faun ( look him up)

    ShaZam
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have not heard about him before. Sounds like the perfect new Netflix.

    Teutonic Disaster
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did he polish his english, tho? Or is it still as bad?

    All's Gravy
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From the dystopian Thatcherite Britain of the 1980s he appeared as a beacon of hope for someone at least. Reading this has been quite upsetting tbh. That such a revolutionary who marked such an heroic place in modern history is now so ridiculed - and perhaps through neurological degeneration he is unaware of, like Thatcher, but they kept her out of the public eye for posterity's sake.

    Martin Walker
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a kid growing up in England in the 80's he was a big and admirable figure. Just goes to show my country doesnt have all the nutjobs haha

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    #8

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Don’t understand how Sam Bankman-Fried isn’t on this list yet. Dude was in magazines being called a prophet and genius, turns out he was just a f*****g idiot the whole time

    strapped_for_cash , NBC News Report

    WindySwede
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This Bankman will get his fishes Fried?

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....id want more believable witnesses to genius. he was always full of s**t, and reporters (I guess you have to call them) fell for it. meh...

    StPaul9
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone with hair and a face like that is probably suspicious. And his name is Bank-Man. Like Bizarro Superman.

    Kyle Simonson
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't an idiot he was a thief.

    #9

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) The guy that invented PCR (which was ground breaking in early DNA research, got a nobel prize, though most probably remember it from the Covid days) went off the rails, denied that HIV caused AIDS even after it was scientific consensus and spent his time talking to a glowing racoon in the forest at night.

    Lawsoffire , Erik Charlton Report

    Hippopotamuses
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A glowing racoon! That's definitely meme-worthy.

    geezeronthehill
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They sometimes glow under UV light. Did he have a UV light with him or is he a complete wackadoo?

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    Mabelbabel
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was a climate change denier as well-he believed that climate change was happening, but it wasn't caused by or accelerated by human activity, despite that being a general consensus in the scientific community.

    DB
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wait, racoons glow?

    My “in my head” Voice
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes genius is just a two-step away from madness z

    Rinso the Red
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He also believed he was visited by glowing alien racoons. See, this a fun fact about how our brains work - You've got on part that searches for patterns and another that filters those pattern ID's as either false or true. If your pattern recognition is super high, you can ID stuff like PCR, but if your filter isn't very high, you can do that and also believe in alien racoons.

    Exotic Butters
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Scientific consensus" lololol. No such thing

    oktopus
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And what is wrong with talking to a glowing racoon in the forest at night, I ask?

    MagicJacket
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Aw, what did Detective Wojciehowicz from Barney Miller ever do that was bad?

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    #10

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Linus Pauling. He went from being a preeminent chemist and biochemist to a quack who wrote books claiming that megadoses of vitamin C cured all disease and was the key to an insanely long life.

    battleofflowers , Smithsonian Institution Archives Report

    ginshun
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He did live to be 93. Maybe he was on to something.

    Mabelbabel
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's a condition that's been called "Nobel Disease" that affects some Nobel prize winners, Linus Pauling and Kary Mullis are two of those usually cited as examples. They either start believing they are experts on everything and anything, or they start pontificating about pseudo-science like ESP, paranormal activity, ancient astronauts and alien visitation.

    Rachel Ainsworth
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The generic statement that megadoses of vitamin c cure everything is false. But the use of high doses of vitamin c as a treatment is actively being reseached for specific uses, such as for people in ICU with sepsis. So there may be some truth to this.

    Sherribobbins
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think he's my mom. I was megadosed with vitamin c and other vitamins all of my childhood, now my immune system is shot. I honestly think it's damage from the huge amount of vitamins I had to take. Also, after a certain amount of any vitamin is absorbed into your body, your digestive system will throw the rest out when you urinate. That's why when you take a large does of vitamins, your urine is darker.

    Ryan
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never heard the vitamin c one before haha

    Michael Largey
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be fair to him, when you're one of the only two double Nobel Prize winners in history, your mistakes get a lot more notice than other people's.

    C.O. Shea
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    You're a dumbass!

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    #11

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Al capone legendary gangster, died of syphilis with the brain age of a child. Sometimes karma does happen

    Objective_Suspect_ , Recuerdos de Pandora Report

    Fat Harry
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The man fed the poor during the depression from free soup kitchens. He was a gangster and a criminal, but he took care of people the government ignored.

    ynyrhydref56
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wasn't he finally done for tax evasion or tax fraud or something?

    M O'Connell
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He was. It all came down to what could be proven beyond reasonable doubt in a courtroom. He was definitely guilty of all the theft, murders, and other organized crime activities, but not conclusively. The money didn't lie.

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    Celtic Pirate Queen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh please, he was never all that bright to begin with - he was just a freaking homicidal maniac that terrified his enemies.

    Steve Hall
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't know anyone ever considered him smart.

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    and he was a genius....how, exactly?

    Lee Banks
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In his time, there was already a cure for syphilis. Have a doctor give you malaria, malaria kills the syphilis, quinine cures the malaria. He was dumb not to do that.

    SCamp
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was Al Capone a genius tho? 🤔 (thread theme)

    Arenite
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He also apparently got it as a teenager, in a very early sexual experience. Can’t imagine how many people he infected iver the years.

    Jennifer Clayton
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    The cure back then was mercury injections and he was so afraid of needles he refused treatment. That's the idiot part.

    saw & order
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I looked it up and it said that he did receive treatment. He was apparently one of the first Americans to receive penicillin for it, though by that time it was too late

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    #12

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Russell Brand in 2015 was voted Prospect's fourth most influential thinker **in the world**, now he's accused of multiple assaults and is a rabid conspiracist.

    mateley , Russell Brand Report

    Richard Michael
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only ones following this AH were/are easily fooled. He's always been a pos and people treated him like the Messiah reborn. Fools and morons. The whole lot of them.

    Hippopotamuses
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's always been the ultimate wanker.

    Hokuloa
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Again, genius? Puhlease

    Dr Robert Neville
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's always been a massive crunt, he thinks using big words somehow makes you clever, it doesn't and in his case just makes you sound like a conceited pr1ck.

    Vix Spiderthrust
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It doesn't help that he doesn't know what they mean.

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    Joey Jo Jo Shabadoo
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nobody that paid attention to the things he said was surprised he assaulted women.

    James016
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How this mas ever got famous is baffling.

    Sue From Michigan
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's a nut and probably always has been.

    Oleander
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are some people who, when you find out that they are a sexual predator, completely take you by surprise. Russel Brand is not one of those people.

    Hey!
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The one time I saw something about him was when Katy Perry said he wasn't great in bed. I didn't know he was an actor. Then I saw him back during lockdown and I'm not even sure I understood what he was saying. Watched one video while pushing the arrow to go faster. LOL.

    JP Purves
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Katy Perry got away from him at the perfect time.

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    #13

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Steven Seagal. He bullsh**ted his way to the top , fake it till you make it genius. Got into a fight and s**t himself literally idiot.

    OpportunitySudden281 , Gage Skidmore Report

    Libstak
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    His scenes are specially edited so you never properly see his fat gut. He also always wears a jacket to cover his completely out of shape torso in nearly every movie, no matter the character, same type of jacket, usually black. It's so obvious my friends and I would make jokes throughout his movie "did you get a glimpse", "yeh, just as he turned to fake kick", "oh, bad editing letting that one slip in". Don't get me wrong, I don't generally make fun of or have these types of opinions about anyone's body but he was such an egoic douche we couldn't ignore it.

    XanthippeⓐWulf🇨🇦️️🇬🇧
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ha! Yes! 🤣 and you could tell when he was really out of shape in a movie because he would move like a grandpa and it would be edited like he'd do a spin kick, barely get his leg up, but the bad guy would go flying back like he was kicked by the Hulk 😆

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    cadena kuhn
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love the snl story about how mad he was that hans and fronz worshiped Arnold and just kept saying he wished Arnold was there so he could kick his a$$

    -
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And Arnold nonchalantly said, "Is that so?" and took another puff on his cigar.

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    Hippopotamuses
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bottom line. The guy is an actor. Through and through.

    KT
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The video of him "winning" the fights surrounded by men who are throwing themselves onto the ground is sadly hilarious

    Steve Hall
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    $16 million, now that is stupid.

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....what was his genius?

    Imagineer
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I watched some show where they showed celebrity homes. His was one. It was beyond weird. His wife was there also. He carried a handgun all the time, everywhere, even at home, even during the show. Very strange.

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    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) John McAfee.
    Not sure of the genuis part, but the downfall was legendary. He wrote and marketed the first commercial antivirus software after cutting teeth at NASA, Univac, and Xerox as a coder. Might have peaked around 100 million dollars.
    Then he sold his stake, told everyone to uninstall his companies product, retired, got into recreational [substances], lost tens of millions, possibly [ended] a man in Belize, probably f****d a literal whale, ran for president of the US, and then was arrested in Spain for US tax evasion and then either [took his own life or someone else took it].

    Worried_Place_917 , Gage Skidmore Report

    Luke Branwen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The remark about the whale got me like "I'm sickened but curious"

    sturmwesen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Would you google it and share a condensed version? I am a tad afraid.

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    Dr Robert Neville
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    His downfall was clearly drugs, he became utterly delusional.

    Peter Parker
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    F**K this newspeak, it's called KILLED god damn it! Nothing wrong using words, snowflakes. Sticks and stones and such.. remember, or was that rhyme also cancelled, because it was too offensive?

    Bad Alchemy
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm going with less an issue of being an idiot and more about some serious, untreated mental illness.

    Trish
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That was a lot to absorb.

    ginshun
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think he was an idiot, I think he was just an absolute wild man. The old Neil Young special - "Better to burn out than to fade away" mentality.

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....smart? sure. Genius? hardly..

    Miss Ann Thrope
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't forget his penchant for scat sex.

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    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Gerald Ratner - made two ill-thought statements during a speech in 1991 in which he called his own products c**p and lost half a billion gbp (1991 gbp at that!) off the value of his company overnight! “costs less than a prawn sandwich from marks and spencer, and probably lasts just as long” & “people say, how can you sell it for such a low price, I say, because it’s total c**p!” He said this to a room with a high number of journalists which took the story and ran with it. After this, anyone buying anything for a gift for a loved one from one of Ratner’s stores branded themselves as cheap, so sales plummeted. He was ousted as chairman within a year and they had to change their name! Shooting your own company in the foot like this has since became known as “the Ratner effect” or “doing a Ratner”

    Taran345 , EG Focus Report

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....and what was his genius exactly? boy, whiffing on the assignment all down the line, here.

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    #16

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) William Shockley led the team at Bell Labs that invented the transistor. That breakthrough yielded portable radios and hearing aids, and made computer microchips possible in the decades that followed. He essentially allowed computers to go from filling a room in a building to eventually fitting in a desktop and then in your pocket. He received a Nobel prize along with his team, and then spent the rest of his life spewing racism and eugenics garbage.

    DoctorGarfanzo , Chuck Painter / Stanford News Service Report

    Biofish23
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like James Watson, of Watson and Crick DNA fame. Stole a woman's (Rosalind Franklin!) reasearch, took credit for discovering the structure of DNA, got a Nobel Prize. Goes around spewing hateful racist and misogynistic BS claiming that it's all just 'genetics'.

    axle f
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...ever notice how *many* 'really smart & influential folks' worked their way around to finding eugenics to be....desirable? If not: lots of them. weird.

    Verbalocity
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But he knew where to buy *great* glasses.

    #17

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Thomas Midgley. All his inventions were thought to be great contributions to mankind until we found out they were dumping crazy amount of toxins into the atmosphere and burning a hole in the ozone layer.

    creepysink77 , United States. Office for Emergency Management. Report

    geezeronthehill
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He concentrated on the problem at hand and didn't consider the law of unintended consequences. Hubris, as the Greeks said.

    J Guy
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He died after getting caught in one of his own contraptions. Very few people will ever do as much global damage as he did.

    Marnie
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We stop using one toxic chemical, then we just start using another and wait 20 years until we decide that one's harmful. When will we stop doing this?

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....closer...but he was a corporate chemist, essentially. not reknowned for supah smarts..

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    #18

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Napoleon. Steamrolls europe, 6+ Times and suddenly forget logistics and Diplomacy where and when it matters the most.

    Regunes , keith.bellvay Report

    geezeronthehill
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    After Napoleon, the French never again had much luck militarily. He used up a lot of Frenchmen. Did he burn through the gene pool or something?

    Captain McSmoot
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He probably had a Napoleon complex.

    Michael Largey
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because he had steamrolled them 6+ times, the other side gave Napoleon no diplomatic options.

    #19

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) He's not the biggest example, but Jordan Peterson seems to fit the description of genius to idiot. It actually makes me sad, because years ago it seemed he just legitimately wanted to help people. I first heard him telling people to value taking many small steps towards progress instead of trying to rapidly do everything at once, and for some I'm sure that makes sense.

    Then he got popular and being in the public eye means taking criticism he clearly was incapable of dealing with in a healthy manner. He became bitter and cynical, fell apart mentally, developed an addiction, went to Russia, and came back using a lot of specialized jargon to legitimize junk ideas. He's now the idiot's version of a smart man, talking a lot while saying little.

    GrymEdm , Gage Skidmore Report

    Luke Branwen
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I still have a knee-jerk reaction hearing this MF's name. My former best friend fell into an alt-right rabbit hole - to the point she condoned conversion therapy - and this fukko right here played a big role in it.

    Imagineer
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How do sane people fall into that alt-right rabbit hole? I guess they were never sane?

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    Austin L
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I watched a compilation video of this guy's interviews someone made one time and the comments were all but worshiping him as being this, bigger than human genius. All I heard him do was employ debate techniques to avoid directly answering any of the questions; idiots!

    Nice Mom Jeans
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I kinda agree. He's become a bit of a mad man.

    JayWantsACat
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Grifting rightwing dipshits is too easy and lucrative. Why have morals when you can instead sell books and s****y ties to dumbass incels and Joe Rogan fans?

    walkabout
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was cautious. I bought one of his books and paid for his personality test. I enjoyed some of his lectures. In all of these he was not far from the mark, IMHO. However, he thinks Joe Rogan is a genius and his opinions on sexuality are way out there and sometimes cruel. So yeah, no.

    ginshun
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because you don't agree with somebody's politics doesn't make them an idiot. Genius is probably a bit of a stretch for Peterson, but he's no idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing.

    BTDubs
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What makes Peterson an idiot is the fact that he ignores the studies and research when the findings don't suit him and cherry picks the information when it does.

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    Sven Horlemann
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. What a disappointment this guy is.

    Holly Kowalski
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of his lectures are good... once he gets to the freaking point.

    Poediddy
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    Amazing how a person more intelligent than 95% of the people on this site is trashed because... "He hurts my feelings whaaaaaa......."

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    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Not sure if this is what you’re looking for but this one came to the top of my head: A guy I worked with 23M went to the casino to play some black Jack. He came into work the next day with 4 giant bags of Burger King. “Hey everyone, lunch is on me!!” He ended up wining $1400 going in with only $200 (we were a bunch of young bucks so $1400 was a substantial amount of cash in our eyes). Everyone was talking to him about it and asking him how he did it. Let me tell you, he was very very VERY proud of his accomplishment. He then proceeded to explain how it’s done: “You just have to know how to read the cards” “Black Jack is all about skill, you need to know when you bet and when you don’t. Some people have it and some people simply don’t” “It’s takes years of playing the game” My man was on a high horse and honestly we were all very impressed. He was talking like he knew his s**t and he was soaking it all in. All the guys on the showroom floor were standing around him listening to him boast about the winnings, him even showing everyone the cash. We asked him if he is going to go back: “Of course, it’s free money” Well, he goes back that night for a second time. He stays at the casino for hours and goes in with all his earnings from the night before… Starts gambling: Losses all of his earnings from last night in about an hours worth of time. Then proceeds to pull out more cash from his bank account (his entire paycheck he got 2 days ago) and looses all of that as well. If you get lucky, don’t get cocky.

    Consistent_Metal_948 , Drew Rae Report

    JL
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This topic was "genius to idiot". He doesn't qualify.

    Firkin Dirkin
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a common experience for first time gamblers and casinos rely on it for a big part of their profits. Do some casinos fix the game this way when they spot a likely canditate? Guess....

    Surenu
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The house always wins...

    Moë
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Um I’m 46 and 1400 is still a lot of $$ to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

    LAWLAWLAW
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Confident, cocky, dead. A saying from an assassin in the Otherland books

    Mario Strada
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once stopped by a roulette table in Reno. I called my daughter and asked her "Tell me a number to put $5 on". "14" she says. I put $5 on 14 and 14 pops up. I decide to take half the winning ($5 x35 or something) and let it ride. 14 came out 4 times in a row. I walked out with the trip paid and $1200 in my pocket. Of course, I wanted to go back and bet on 14 everywhere, but I am smart enough to know it was a fluke.

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    #21

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Gonna put two out there I haven’t seen yet: Scott Adams. While genius is a stretch, he was a successful cartoonist for years until his politics started coming out, and then the racist comments. Everyone thought he was taking on big business, then it all came tumbling down. Second, and in a similar vein, the YouTuber Iiluminaughti. Built up an audience by criticizing shady business practices, turned out to be a horrible person who was guilty of shady business practices.

    RuinQueenofOblivion , Real Coffee with Scott Adams Report

    Bouche and Audi and Shyla, Oh My!
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes. I used to like Dilbert. I stopped reading it when Adams went off the deep end.

    axle f
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...he never went off the deep end. his real self emerged publicly....it was always there..

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    MrsFettesVette
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ooof Illuminaughtii's story is a rough one, I was one of the people who appreciated her work until I started realizing her videos were just her reading out loud from wiki articles.

    BluEyedSeoulite
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This. I enjoyed her videos until she got to a few topics I know extremely well and thought, wow. Her research and writing team really dropped the ball on this one. Then I started listening more critically and realized she doesn't care about quality at all. Then her "exposed" video came out and just yikes. It's like a Psych 101 example of DARVO

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    BluEyedSeoulite
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Iilluminaughtii keeps making L's too. Like she could have actually apologized, said she has grown as a person and will do better and her audience would have forgiven her. Nope. She had to triple down and keep using frivolous lawsuits to silence her victims. BTW, her victims tend to be about 10 years her junior, barely legal when she met them. Soooooool many red flags.

    Michael Largey
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you read his blog, you knew this was coming.

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    #22

    “What’s The Biggest Example Of ‘Genius’ To ‘Idiot’ There Has Ever Been?” (22 Answers) Jeremy from Top Gear in the episode that he tied the log to the back of his car to traverse a tough road. Very quickly after mentioning his own genus, the log kicked up off a rock or something and shattered his back window. Edit: Of course I know he’s not serious. The show is basically a comedy show. And 80% of what he says is dripping with sarcasm. Y’all need to chill TF out.

    Epicela1 , Petr Magera Report

    Panda-sized Potato
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What was dumb was him punching a producer.

    Fat Harry
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But what was great was him punching Piers Morgan.

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    James016
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Clarkson's Farm is brilliant though. Mainly as Kaleb will not put up with his nonsense

    BTDubs
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Clarkson is just a tw@t with a tv show, who constantly brags that he didn't pass his exams.

    ginshun
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not an idiot, just plays one on TV

    Vix Spiderthrust
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And in his newspaper columns and books.

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    Richard Michael
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dumb, da da da dumb dumb dumb DUMB.

    Captain McSmoot
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I love this one! That episode was hilarious!

    Roland
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jeremy also has a lot of hatred to share about hybrid Toyotas which I always find funny given that these cars are literally the symbol of longevity and fuel efficiency. Still he hates them with passion especially the Prius, one of the most successful of them all.

    Smitin
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dr Heimlich developed the heimlich manoeuvre was a bit of a quack

    axle f
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...no, OP. you need to be clear. don't blame the folks reading you exactly as written. I thought u wuz a genius for a second, buttttt...

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