“Written By A Man”: Women Are Calling Out 30 Unrealistic Female Character Tropes They See In Books And Movies
The perfect suburban '50s housewife. The wholesome girl next door. And, of course, the bimbo. I think it's safe to say we've seen one too many of these tropes on the big screen.
Interested in finding out which productions have resorted to them (and other similar ones), Reddit user Mikess314 made a post on r/AskWomen, saying: "What movie featuring female characters was clearly made without a single woman being involved?"
Turns out, people think there's no shortage of them. Continue scrolling to check out how everyone responded.
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Jurrasic World. Let's please stop it with 'frigid, stuck up corporate woman taken down a peg by rough and tumble guy with big heart and then falls in love with him'. Please, I'm begging everyone in Hollywood. Stop this madness.
I am so f*****g sick of that relationship! It's in about 75% of the films ever made, I swear.
Hollywood films these days are s**t. I’m a man and hell even I can tell when films are crap.
Load More Replies...I thought it was kinda weird that the movie treated Clare's childfree status as a bad thing. Also she ran away from a T-rex in high heels. Jurassic World was the movie that introduced me to the Jurassic Park movies in general, but god damn did it have some questionable elements.
Childfree career woman. So of course she doesn't even know her nephews age and is super concerned with her looks. Comes with the package *eyeroll*
Load More Replies...Why does a serious woman who cares very much about her job have to be called Frigid and cold? Are women not allowed to take their corporate jobs seriously?
Sadly due to the age-old stereotype where if a women shows any sign of ambition she is considered a narcissistic ice queen who is foregoing her family and feminity for advancement. It's such a sad stereotype that needs to be buried. Women can excel in the corporate world and be amazing, empathetic, knowledgeable leaders.
Load More Replies...Jurassic park managed to write the female lead perfectly, so they can do it!
"we can talk about sexism in survival situations some other time." perfection!
Load More Replies...But how will movies be closer to the female audience wihout a crammed in romance....
maybe if they depict women as action heroes without men at all? crazy idea hey /s/
Load More Replies...though obviously we could do without the sexist remarks, in general I think she ends up being a badass character regardless of what other characters say about her in the movie. She was also very different from other female characters in the franchise. I really just saw the movie once, so I might be missing details, but as far as I remember she was kinda introduced as a "villain" of sorts, not because she was childfree or whatever, but because she was not supposed to be good, in relation to the story's protagonist.
Harley Quinn’s dumb outfit in Suicide Squad. No woman is going to dress like that for anything physical. Those short shorts would ride up your bum and you’d break your ankle in the stilettos.
There’s a huge difference with the outfits in Birds of Prey which was written, directed and produced by women. High rise denim shorts, sports bra and a chunky wedge (or trainers I think?) is a way better outfit for causing mayhem.
When I cause mayhem I'm in sweats sneakers and a sports bra so they don't hurt when I run. Need comfort for the chaos.
I’m a man and I agree with your statement. It’s more logical to be honest.
Load More Replies...I agree with most of these but Margot Robbie says she's the one who chooses her outfits. She's a producer on several of the movies where the character appears. The one above was chosen over a denim jumpsuit that looked like the cartoon version because Ms. Robbie said it wouldn't work. They were chosen because Harley would want fun and doesn't care if its sexy. She said she regretted her decision once filming was going because of comfort levels (both self-consciousness and trying to hold a leaking greasy hamburger over fishnet stockings) and she got cold during many of the night shoots. Her outfits become more practical in the later movies because she said she came to hate those hotpants. I admire Ms. Robbie because she's taken control of all parts of her professional life and does what she thinks is right for both herself and her characters. Birds of Prey was postponed because as a producer, she wanted to do Tanya Harding's story first.
superhero movie character wears outfit that aligns with character's comic book outfits, shocker
That says a lot about the quality of writing of said comic books, though
Load More Replies...I feel that TV lost a great female character when Taken was canceled. Jessica Camacho is an amazingly beautiful woman, however, her character was handled correctly in this series and not played just for her looks. Many other shows/movies would have had Santana running around in bikini tops and heels. Instead this show had her go into combat in military issue boots, sweatshirts and pants. She dressed like she was going to fight instead of a club.
Absolutely no s**t though. Also, its a superhero/villian movie and you're gonna b***h about an outfit? This is the same universes where theres a dude who can fly and is weakened by a rock.
It's possible to focus on more than one thing W**g
Load More Replies...saw this video, forgot the name. It was comparing Harley Quinn's clothes in Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. Suicide Squad was her dressing for the guys, and Birds of Prey was her dressing for herself.
Almost every female super heroes. What woman in her right mind would go into battle breast out, legs bare, hair flying all over the place in full nails and makeup? It doesn’t matter if it’s a tv program, a movie, anime, live action, cartoon, etc…
Just covers her boobs and the entrance to the lady maze!
Load More Replies...Every female superhero is just an average male character performed by a hot, skinny, very violent seminaked girl with guns... that ends allways falling in love for a fellow superhero. And it is supposed to be "empowering", yeah sure.
Gal gadot is a woman, not a girl. I didn't realise a child played Wonder Woman. Huh.
Load More Replies...That's why Jessica Jones is one of my favorite female "superheroes". Her outfit is much more realistic and appropriate; jeans, t-shirt, leather jacket and boots.
I had that whole look for a long time. I got compared to her a lot. It's amazing that her look and storyline were created by two men.
Load More Replies...Anna boden was one of the directors so yeah that's why
Load More Replies...If I was a superhero, I would wear jeans and a hoodie because everyone has that, and it would be hard to trace it back to me. I'd wear armor over my torso and I'd tie my hair back in a pony tail. Wonder Women's outfit may look nice, but it's cold, uncomfortable, unprotective, and it's impossible to do anything active if you have long hair that isn't tied back.
Wonder Woman would do this because she is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER WHO LIVES IN A FICTIONAL WORLD WHERE PEOPLE CAN FLY AND SHOOT LASERS FROM THEIR EYES!!!!!
Let me stop you real quick. Going into battle like that is exactly the BEST way to distract and defeat heterosexual male opponents. Breast out, legs bare, hair flying… I am not thinking about fighting and am now able to be caught unawares if I haven’t submitted already.
Not a movie, but the episode of Game of Thrones where Gillie decides to take Sam's virginity 5 seconds after he saves her from being r**ed and we all know that nothing makes a woman hotter than almost being r**ed by gruesome strangers. Oh, wait, no, it's just that a bunch of dudes decided that Sam deserved a "prize" for his heroic acts and so they wrote in the woman's vagina as the prize without putting any thought into what an actual human female would do in that situation.
This one is especially bad because in a previous season there was a well-written scene where a female character specifically states "A woman who has just escaped a r**e won't want to have sex immediately after. You should have known you were being set up because of that."
So not only where there no women involved in the new scene, there was no one who bothered to read what was actually written in previous seasons. The latter is almost more offensive LOL.
The scene where Jaime tells Tyrion that he should have known he was being set up is straight from the books. The scene where Gilly takes Sam's virginity was made up for the show. It's just another example of how the showrunners simply could not match the writing quality of the books. Everything after Season 3 is just middling fan fiction.
Also, in the books the first time that Khal Drogo and Daenrys had sex in the books was consensual.
Load More Replies...Let's also not forget the Gillie was abused and raped by her own father, and had to give birth to his child while worrying the whole time that if said child was male her father would take it to be sacrificed to the white walkers, and if it was female her father would abuse, "marry" and rape that child too......but yeah let's throw that vagina around like it hasn't seen some trauma
Why are you censored word rape? Is it vulgar word? Rape must be talked about, existed, not hidden and pretended not to exist. Your post then sounds just comical. If you do not want to harm the victim, just write at the beginning of TW: sexualized violence. Stop censored truth!!!
It's Game of Thrones...... There is not much that is politically correct with it. Let's not forget that in the story Danerys was a child when she was sold to Khal Drogo, he raped her on their "wedding night" and every other day until she took control of their relationship. There were incest royalty, a blood thirsty psychopath who chained up and tortured people and skinned them alive and then fed their remains to his dogs... it was not "PC" at all.
But... Gillie and Sam getting physical is not in the books that early. Yes, sex and rape are used as controlling and power mechanisms but not as a price for the "heroe" this is not about PC this is about in-world-mechanisms
Load More Replies...Yeah, but I wouldn't expect much from a series, that is based on books, where most of the story is written from the perspective of rapists. https://tafkarfanfic.tumblr.com/post/119891015455/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-has-a-rape-problem https://tafkarfanfic.tumblr.com/post/119770640640/rape-in-asoiaf-vs-game-of-thrones-a-statistical
Movies where women are running for their lives in high heels.
Movies where prostitutes easily fall in love with their johns
Movies that get basic female anatomy wrong.
And to be specific, Star Wars: The Revenge Of The Sith when Padme “loses the will to live” after having 2 beautiful, healthy babies, because shes so sad about losing Anakin.
Yeah, because as we know, Mothers are never motivated by their children and don’t really want to protect them. If they’re boyfriend has a tantrum, they just lay down and die.
My theory is that Palpatine used some Sith method to kill her, because she had to die if he was going to make Anakin into his slave. If she'd dumped the idiot and decided to live as a single mother, he wouldn't anve been able to deliver the final mindfuck.
I think Anakin actually did it unintentionally.. He was dying at the time and lifted his arm to grab the force, then he lived and Padme died. I think he stole her life and part of him knew it afterwards.
Load More Replies...You forgot about postpartum depression? Can happen to the most caring moms. :-(
Yeah i never understood that in movies. They always highlight that their husband/partner is more important than their kids. Said no mother ever.
Men and women have killed their own children because their new partner doesn't like kids.
Load More Replies...I know nothing about Star Wars but that would have been my first thought too.
Load More Replies...RE; the prostitute/john thing. I agree in general, but Leaving Las Vegas is the exception for me. Powerful movie.
Yeah that movie seem to be more about the human condition. Two very flawed traumatized people that connected bc of that
Load More Replies...Postpartum depression is a thing. I haven’t seen the film. Just going off your description.
That's....not how PPD works. Like, women don't just lie down and die 5 minutes after they give birth because they are depressed. It's something that gets worse over time and the times it does lead to death it's due to suicide or reckless behavior.
Load More Replies...As for heels, I think the same thing on the Fortnite skins. Lots of stripper heels. Like, yeah, shes supposed to carry multiple guns and run in those?
Though postpartum depression is a real and dangerous thing, you'd think they'd easily be able to fix that in an advanced sci-fi society.
Any birth scene where the mother is just a little sweaty but totally glowing and happy and wide awake after a 20-hour labor, and looks like she was never pregnant at all as soon as they leave the hospital.
Also, a number of kids' shows presumably tailored for girls (stuff like Instant Mom on Nick), and tv sitcoms for that matter, in which the mother is constantly wearing high heels at home, makeup, the whole armor..., while the guys are are laid back in their pajamas and slippers. I am a guy but that is so idiotic and sexist.
Exactly im a boy to and this s**t is messed up i have a little sister who is 6 and these kids movies for 7 + we watch always have girls dressed up in small s**t damn
Load More Replies...Yes. To be fair, I had a rush of energy after each birth and wasn't tired at all/couldn't sleep but it's natural to still look like you went to war - because that's how it feels like. And the whole "don't look pregnant at all" right away is toxic. Many people actually believe that something that took 9 months to grow would be gone in an instant. Nope, in reality you look 7 months pregnant-ish for a couple weeks after giving birth. And the other weight/loose skin takes much longer for most women.
Totally agree. I couldn't sleep after giving birth even though I should've been exhausted, but took me forever to finally get some sleep. I was lucky that I lost the baby weight quite quickly with all 4 of mine, but now I realise that was entirely thanks to breastfeeding - when I stopped feeding my youngest I've just slowly gained about 2 stone without any change of diet.
Load More Replies..."and looks like she was never pregnant at all as soon as they leave the hospital" *Raises hand. That would be me. I still had a discernible waistline(if you were behind me) at eight months along. I also was back into my pre-pregnancy clothes two weeks after giving birth. I basically grew bigger boobs and looked like I was hiding a basketball under my shirt. Sorry.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of skinnier moms who zoop their way back into shape mere weeks after their kids are born. Either that or they're magic. I will accept both.
Load More Replies...Actually have never seen 20-hour labors discussed in movies. It's more like 5-10 minutes and the mom looks freshly clean with makeup 5 minutes after that
I came home from the hospital heavier than I went in each time, despite having 9+lbs babies . I had c-sections and swelled up like a balloon from all the IV fluids they gave me. I came home in the snow with just socks on my feet because I couldn't fit into even my loosest fitting shoes.
Well, I'll one up you on that one. No sweat here, one push and my youngest came out. Don't mind the 36 hours of monitoring and midwive not believing me to be in labor that preceded, but hush, that's not the point. Not every birting process ends in endless pushing. For some of us that process is not the hard part.
This. They look like sh*t, feel like sh*t, and often they're in tears but it's *pain*.
I also love how most all the babies pop out clean, dry, and 4 months old.
Another one: when Jennifer Lawrence dyes her hair platinum blonde with boxed hair dye in Red Sparrow. As any fake blonde will tell you it’s a really time consuming and tricky process. Not something you do in 10 minutes in a bathroom.
Pretty sure any Cosmo Girl could tell you that
I love the ones where the girl with long hair, has to change her appearance, so she hacks at it with an old pair of scissors and ends up looking stunning with a cut that a top salon would be proud of!
Sitting behind 2 hairdressers watching the 1st Bourne movie in the cinema was hilarious. They critiqued the whole haircut, quietly, but you could hear the chuckling from people nearby
Load More Replies...I was cheering throughout most of the ending of that movie XD.
Load More Replies...Can we just stop calling adult females 'girl'? It's woman. And it makes huge difference how you look at at females by how you call them. Thank you
It takes at least an hour initially, and then several days of purple treatment to set the tone, if not another full 1 hour bleach job after waiting at least a week
I would really like to be blonde, but if I buy a boxed dye, platinum, my hair goes from brown to light red/copper. It is frustating!
there is hair dye that does take a very short amount of time to use. just doesnt look anything like that perfect color.
No, but the filmmakers could SHOW that it's a longer process in probably 2 seconds.
Load More Replies...Okay, I've bleached my hair like that with box dye, but it did take a bit more than 10 minutes lol
Box dye is not bleach. It may be a high lift color, but it will need to be bleached first.
Load More Replies...Books where women are incredibly aware of what their boobs are doing and how they feel all the time....
Mine talk to each other. Darn inconvenient and difficult to have a turn to speak.
Load More Replies...If only female romance novel writers wrote men they same way they write women: "And then he felt a peculiar tingle in his loins that traveled throughout his muscular body like an electric current. He was on fire, he was electric. He felt a prickly sensation in his rugged beard, his earlobes twitched, his eyes that were as clear as spring water glistened---yes, he loved her. He puckered his lips and fluttered his long Bambiesque eyelashes.
Only time I've been aware of how my boobs are feeling is when breastfeeding and your baby cries or have skipped a feed, then you're super aware of the boulders that used to be your boobs - otherwise I'm about as aware of them as I am what my toes are doing
Slightly less aware of the girls than my toes as I frequently stub my toes and don't nearly as often bump my torso. Though dogs seem to have built in nipple targets when they jump 😝
Load More Replies...My daughter and I talk about this. "she boobily walked down the stairs."
The only time I'm aware of my boobs is when they hurt bc I'm running or exercising
I'm a bit more aware of mine, but that's just dysphoria. And it's not "what they're doing" or "how they feel" its "eww this feels wrong why do I have to have tits go away"
We're (amab) not even aware of what our "boys" are doing down there unless they are being squished, helping zip our pants or such activities.
Load More Replies...Isn't like ESPN or something? Don't breasts know when it's going to rain? A character said that in a movie once.
"And so my boobs started jiggling rhythmically to the sound of the music, I was not amused" ._.
Books where the female characters never interact with each other or it’s always negative/catty/competitive.
I cant lie, my mom is this way though.. She wont converse with chicks because these are the only type of toxic women she's ever been up against... In her words "Women are bitches"
Well your mom is a horrible person herself and she’s has internalized her own brand of toxic misogyny. It seems to have rubbed off on you calling women “chicks” and thinking that “all” women are toxic. Not true at all. There are toxic people of EVERY gender! And just because she’s been around horrible women doesn’t mean all women are like this. She needs to learn how to be more open and supportive of women. You should tell her all of this. Also my husband is unfortunately very much the opposite, he won’t converse with other dudes because he thinks they’re all “assholes”. I’m helping him get passed that and be more open and supportive of other men.
Load More Replies...Ugh I HATE those portrayals, they’re so stupid and if course very much untrue. And it’s not just books but movies and tv shows as well. It needs to STOP.
Sadly a lot of women do behave this way - especially in corporate America. It is sad. I am female and I encountered way more catty/competitive women than ones who were mentoring or helpful. I made a point to always be the helpful/mentoring type because of what I went through early in my corporate life.
How about every "Cozy" novel on the planet where the females are so disgustingly pathetic and dependent on the male character that they would JUST DIIIIIIEEEE if they couldn't be together. Dragging their appalling selves on the ground like animals...my God women have some respect for yourselves! And I mean the ones writing this drivel... is that how you view women? It makes me sad and angry at the same time.
This is one of my top pet peeves in fiction! It’s not just having multiple women in a story that gets you an up vote, it’s how the women treat each other in the story, too!
As someone who went to an all girl's Catholic school... relationships between girls that WEREN'T negative/catty/competitive were pretty rare. At least that was the case in my class.
In Age of Ultron where Black Widow is talking about how she's a monster but not because she's an assassin — just because she's infertile. WTF?
Didn't she she bring up the infertility up at the moment when she and Banner realized they were about to get serious? That's a reasonable time to discuss things that would be dealbreakers for some.
That is not the point! The point is she considers herself a monster because of it, which is ridiculous. She murdered people. If anything, THAT’S what makes her a monster.
Load More Replies...And honestly, that’s actually a very realistic way that society makes women feel. You spend so long trying desperate not to get pregnant so they can’t blame you for ruining your own life, that you assume once you achieve the societally blessed position of being in a committed relationship that it will happen instantly. When it doesn’t… you feel like your body must be broken because for so long you were told how easily any accident could make you pregnant. So I call BS on this one.
There is more to it than just society. Many people, male and female, feel a biological urge to reproduce. It's why the species doesn't die out.
Load More Replies...Age of Ultron in general is the one Marvel movie that should've never happened. Most of the time, I completely forget it exists.
Um, no, she mentioned it as one more trait that they took away from her to make her into the perfect weapon, and make her into a monster, so that she could never have children that she could develop an emotional bond with.
After this scene I thought that she gave up everything - including having children - to become a perfect killing machine.
Because she doesn't see killing as a bad , but feels she has failed as a woman by not having children. Not a reasonable thing to feel, but also not the first childless women who I've heard express similar emotions. About the baby thing, not the killing thing.
There’s a line in a book about a lady taking so long to pee because the pee gets lost in her confusing lady maze inside.
“...and she had to sit on the toilet some minutes waiting for the pee to come. Men, they were able to conjure it up immediately, that was one of their powers. That thunderous splashing as they stood lordly above the bowl. Everything about them was more direct, their insides weren't the maze women's were, for the pee to find its way through.” The Witches of Eastwick by John Updike
Thank you! And it's one of a few reasons women get more bladder infections. It's not always due to "too much sex". I hate that's a lot of people's perception. The bacteria has a shorter distance to travel into the bladder whereas bacteria in a longer urethra generally gets 'washed out' by pee before it can reach the bladder.
Load More Replies...Too funny! John Updike probably didn't realize that women would spend extra time in the bathroom just to get away from him. LOL
Fun is the male urethra is much longer and so more for a "inner maze" @_@
Men need to stop writing from a female perspective.... I beg you...
The first few Avengers movies with Scarlet Johansson as Black Widow. It seems like she was just there to be eye candy and not really have much of a character. She has hinted a bit at this, that she put her foot down on a scene where they had her in a cute tennis outfit for no reason. It was nice to see them give her more of a character throughout the series.
A cute tennis outfit??? I can't even imagine how the writers tried to pass that off as 'plot-related'.
"Oh, these darn shoelaces keep coming untied!" *bends over*
Load More Replies...And then they killed her off just to further develop Hawkeye's character development and her death was quickly forgotten. She didn't even get a funeral like Iron Man.
And then she had to deal with endless interviews, sitting next to male co-stars, where people asked her about how skin tight her costume was and if she wore underwear, over and over again. I'm really disappointed that the men didn't shut that down really, really hard.
A man defending a woman is somewhat sending women's lib back.
Load More Replies...Well duh. Just seeing what she’s wearing should be a big enough clue as to her part in the movies.
I don't know about this one... Wonder Woman was ridiculous, but this outfit doesn't seem more sexualised than that of the Superman for example.
Load More Replies...Her literal identity is Black Widow... infamously a term for a woman who kills her mates? Her entire character is based around using her looks and sexual to distract men, and keep them off-kilter til she has the information she needs, or has already killed them. That's the entire point of her character at the baseline.
Well, tho. IO think she doth protest too much, because it's the trendy thing to do. If you see her in "Under The Skin" (2013) she is totally naked in a great part of it. Very creepy, strange, uncomfortable movie but her nudity really didn't have to be in it. I also just want to add that it drives me crazy they she's always got her mouth hanging open. That hasn't got a thing to do with anything; I just had to remark on it. :)
I hate the first few avengers movies because of how it goes in line with the other trope of women not interacting with each other. Why is she the only woman in the whole group?
Every single movie Megan Fox was ever in. Transformers… oh my god that was rough. Michael Bay practically shoved the camera up her a**hole and just told her to act hot, but then tried to say it was feminist because she… knew about cars? Lol.
Jennifer’s body is a whole other beast. Great movie clearly made by and for women, and the marketing just said “Megan fox is in it, so let’s make it look like it’s just a sex movie with a sexy lady and market it to the COMPLETELY wrong audience.”
Michael Bay is notoriously known for shoving women into eye-candy roles. Have you seen Rosie Huntington-Whiteley in Transformers? It was gag-worthy.
Rosie only got the part because Megan told Michael to go pound sand when he told her to wash his car. The stories about Michael Bay are almost as bad as Weinstein but his movies still make money so.... yeah.
Load More Replies...Cause this is the only thing this type of men are good at unfortunately
Load More Replies...Michael Bay is a terrible director. Hollywood, please stop employing him.
And when she tried to say anything about the way they were treating her, they painted Megan Fox as this impossible egotistical monster that no one could possibly work with.
The girl who knows cars role was later done right in a non-objectifying way in the Bumblebee movie.
Most American-movie eye candy is not what I would consider attractive anyway. Give me UK panel show comedians anyday
I heard somewhere that those movies in part are the reason why she quit acting. It hit her self esteem that she wasn't good for anything more than that, so she quit. May or may not be true, since I have no idea where it came from. I hope it isn't true, that would just be sad.
Because this is what all teenage girls look like, unachievable body standards baby!!!
Revenge of the nerds. What would a women do if she realized she has been tricked into having sex with another man without her consent? Keep having sex with him, of course
Even in the 80s that was considered rape and gross but somehow was used as comedy for men taking revenge. The start of the incel movement before Reddit
So weird! As a women I am VERY offended by this movie.
Load More Replies...It has become increasingly difficult for me to watch old movies + TV shows because of how sexual assault, stalking, rape, and women themselves are portrayed. It's painful + horrifying.
I wish more people knew about the 1985 film Real Genius, which was a much better film about nerd empowerment and even had a woman be one of the nerds -- Jordan, who was one of the most memorable characters in the film and much more than a cookie-cutter stereotype.
As a man who lived through the eighties, I can say that era was the actual R@p3 culture talk about. Spanish Fly was a punchline. It was dosing women with a d**g that would erase their sexual inhibitions. It was a common plot point in any guy's movie.
I was in that movie as an extra! In the pep rally scene at the end. Wait you can't see me? Neither can I, not that I have ever watched the movie.
this movie is ass and im 12 and i know that who the hell would watch this piece of crap
All the girls in “Spring Breakers” ... written by Harmony Korine. There’s something unsettling about a middle aged guy writing through the eyes of college girls. Vanessa Hudgen’s character says, “Seeing all this money makes my pussy wet”.
I literally said the same thing out loud when I read that.
Load More Replies...This movie is super creepy. When my husband wants to make my skin crawl, he says “Spring break y’all” the way James Franco does in this movie. *shudders*
Whaaa?! Mine does that too! This movie was so weird
Load More Replies...Look im in middle school and this kind off stuff has effects on kids some of them watch hentie its crazy s**t and this is only 6th grade.
IF SHE IS DESCRIBED AS THE “cool girl” F**K THAT F**K THAT F**K THAT!!! NO GIRL EXISTS LIKE THAT. One that is the perfect amount interested in “male things” while still maintaining the PERFECT amount of femininity. Never gets mad. Is never too clingy. That s**t. watch the cool girl monologue from Gone Girl. She explains it perfectly.
My dad: "You should wear cuter clothes, like your sister." Me: "To change shock absorbers?" ---- real convo, never left my memory. Like, wtf, is it silk or tulle for auto repair?
Chiffon for auto repair except on weekends when taffeta is de rigueur.
Load More Replies...The cool girl monologue is part of why I love the author Gillian Flynn. It's just so spot on.
Yup. I effing LOVE the "cool girl" monologue from Gone Girl. Amy was a crazy b**** but she nails the concept.
Huh? It's a trope written by men. The burping, eating sloppy, never gaining weight, doesn't need make up, doesn't know they're pretty, likes to wrestle etc but then is really sweet and shy and witty and wants sex all the time looks great in a bikini doesn't need to shave bc they're naturally hairless, laughs at misogynistic jokes, doesn't need self care bc they care for the men and their needs, never complains, but also just one of the guys.
Load More Replies...Look up the bechdel test, it's hilarious watching movies and seeing if they pass. Spoiler alert, mass majority don't.
It asks whether a work features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. The requirement that the two women must be named is sometimes added.
Add the requirement - while male characters aren't present. It's a measurement of whether the writers allow female characters to have independent story arcs.
Load More Replies...In my opinion one of the best crime series matching the bechdel test is Bones. Special boni for matching my own test for diversity and interracial relationships.
To be fair, some great movies do pass the test (Aliens), some great movies don't (Lawrence of Arabia), some bad movies do pass the test (Sex and the City), some bad movies don't... (So many to quote...)
Well, of course. The Bechdel Test isn't about whether or not a movie is great; it's about the representation/presentation of women within the movie.
Load More Replies...Which is the point of it. The bar is so low, and yet so many movies can't pass.
Load More Replies...the bechdel test is bs. twilight passes it. and its basically about a 170 year old stalker who ofc rescues the nerdy poor girl. the bechdel test ofc has some good ideas, but still it doesn't work.
Again, it's not a test about whether or not a movie is good. It's a "bare minimum" standard for representing women within the movie. It's not meant to be the be-all and end-all test for a film.
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Tbh most of my what I thought were said so I'll say the 50 shades series (and there was woman involved if you can believe that)
Yeah, a woman wrote the original books. A woman who'd never done any of the things she wrote about, I assume.
She originally wrote the first book as a Twilight fan fiction story between Bella and Edward.
Load More Replies...BDSM is not this way at all. You are not forced into anything. S**t pisses me off and put alot of women in dangerous situations. Safety is always 1st in any form of BDSM.
One of the best things I ever read about the "50 Shades" series (which I have never read) is that the only reason the man gets away with what he does is because he is handsome + a millionaire. If he were an unemployed, middle-aged man with a pot belly who lived in a trailer park, the book would never have been published.
Correct, it would be an episode of law and order: SVU. LOL
Load More Replies..."Stalking and pain! Yeah, that's romantic!"... said nobody sane, ever.
It was Twilight fan fiction that went too far. She was booted from forums because of it. Then decided to write the books
I feel like EL James decided to do some internet research to find out about S&M because of her own desires, never explored. Maybe she went to a kink club one time and then she just wrote what she thought was a fantasy, but was in fact nothing like an actual dom and sub relationship at all, which is CONSENSUAL.
Quick tip: Read this, and wow, now I doubly won't go near it. https://www.hypable.com/fifty-shades-of-grey-book-review/
Back when the book first had it's popularity I had some work colleagues who were obsessed over them and would giggle about them in the office all the time. I tried to tell them the exact same thing as that review and I was dismissed as frigid and stuck up. They would laugh and say "oh it's only a bit of light hearted fun!". It's depressing just how many people were enamoured by it and thought Christian Grey was a romantic hero.
Load More Replies...Not a movie (I know, sorry), but Breaking Bad. Love the series, but every female character is insufferable, and the way Skyler’s character is mishandled is particularly bothersome. She is written like a man’s idea of the nagging overbearing shrew of a wife, and is almost universally hated because of it. Meanwhile, I’ve never understood what exactly people wanted from her. A pregnant woman’s terminally ill husband starts acting shady as f**k...how else would anyone react in that situation? But instead of writing her very understandable suspicion with some depth, they basically said “Pfft. Wives are such a drag, amirite?”. And then she cheats. This may seem a weird detail to fixate on, but I really hated that they had her smoking during her pregnancy. I assume the intention was to show how badly the situation was affecting her, but considering how unsympathetic they made her overall, it just further poisoned the audience against her.
Yeah that was crazy the way men attacked the actual actress for her portrayal in a fictionalized tv show. She got rape and death threats and her career suffered.
It was, but Anna Gunn was absolutely magnificent in this role. You were supposed to dislike her at first and then slowly see her side and then see her as the "good" one. Great Acting, Great Writing!
Load More Replies...I thought Skyler was well-written and the audience reactions told us more about them than about Skyler. In a period when she was _separated_ from Walter, she saw somebody else. Somehow, this got twisted into "she cheated on him," which was never accurate. BTW, pretty much every male character in the show is also seriously flawed. We're just raised to expect the women behave like angels, even when the men don't.
I kind of hate the nagging woman trope in general. It's not nagging to expect grown men to be responsible adults especially in relationships where they have kids. And it's insulting to men that they're portrayed as bumbling idiots. This is more of a sitcom/comedy trope.
I hated her character the first time I watched it, but the second time I thought it was a pretty believable reaction. I mean, she was a victim of loads of awful situations, what was she meant to do?
I think it was more people's reaction to her than how she was written. She was a little dominant over Walter in the beginning, but that shouldn't have warranted hatred and I got the impression Walter had been putting her in the role of head of household for awhile since he'd sort of given up on life. And her later behavior certainly seemed warranted under the circumstances. I think misogyny had a lot to do with the hate toward her whether people realized it or not.
Wow, I'm surprised at the amount of people who don't understand the role of this character. She was beautifully written and the actress who played her played her amazingly. Goes to show how the protagonist controls the narrative and how we see people through their eyes, to the point where people only see her the way Walter did. This is why documentaries can create strong and incorrect biases so easily.
The idea was to have the audience like Walter and not like Skylar. Then slowly reverse these perspectives. Skylar could have been written to be more sympatric to her husband when he reacted terribly to an awful situation. As the series went on, most viewers changed their opinion of her(As they did with Walter). By
I disagree with this. They just portrayed people as they portrayed them. I never read any commentary online and was really surprised a few seasons in to learn how much hatred there was for Skyler. I think it was mysogony that made people hate her, and now people view her portrayal by the show under that lens. She was practical and incredibly strong. She was generally rational, intelligent, and level-headed. " every female character is insufferable": Almost all the characters were insufferable: Walt, Saul, Gus, Tuco - were these guys not insufferable?
Barbarella with Jane Fonda. She’s supposed to save the universe but is so helpless all the time and these men have to come and save her and more. She’s a massive feminist now and has commented that it’s not her proudest work
Famously awful and misogynist though, understandably it was aligned with the times -- it was trying to be as titillating as possible within the confines of the difficult censor system in place at the time.
Load More Replies...She's was "tortured" with basically an orgasm machine. So fair to say the writers probably sat around thinking how sexual can we make this before its considered porn
And what was Hanoi Jane/s proudest moment ? ( Asking for several Marine friends.)
Twilight
Wait, is twilight a serious book/movie?? You mean you actually have to take it seriously?? it is not like a parodie, a sattire, a bad joke or the bad example of "how not to" write or something??
Considering most of its fanbase didn't seem to think so, then no, unfortunately it can't be seen as parody. And considering the author made a fortune on it, maybe it actually is the way to write something, as long as you have no sense of moral responsibility
Load More Replies...That was so popular, despite the fact it was about a 100 year old or something, falling in love with a child and then controlling her, stalking her and manipulating her and people thought it was romantic? What the actual hell?
Bella Swan has to be the wettest of wet blanket female characters with the exception of her emo, sparkly, brooding vampire boyfriend.
She was better in the Snow White remake. Kinda had Emma Watson vibes. More dignity.
Load More Replies...YOU NAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCH NESS MONSTER??? honestly the series is insanely good if you tell yourself its a comedy
I understand that Bella is like, a lot weaker and s**t than Edward, but he's a freaking vampire. Obviously, he's gonna be stronger. Though the thumbnail[?] pictures are just bad
There are a plethora of problematic elements in this series but I will never not enjoy GIANT wolves. And vampire baseball games. Those are cool.
I literally watched like 20 minutes of one of the movies (i think there are 2) and was like yupp, this sucks
There are 5 too many books and movies. There are five books and movies.
Load More Replies...There's a film known amongst folks who track down, "so bad it's good" movies (like The Room) called Samurai Cop. There are many, many things wrong with this movie (obviously) but the scene where a nurse flirts with the main character makes me wonder if the director had ever seen a woman flirt, ever.
Rifftrax is the only way to watch movies like that. I'm still confused as to whether or not Samurai Cop actually had a plot.
Load More Replies...If you want a movie so bad it's good, watch Velocipastor. You read that right.
American pie
Haha, I watched these as a kid with my dad. Strangely, some of the best quality time we had together. And no, it was not because of the movies. But because those and bond movies where the only ones we watched together.
Load More Replies...In hindsight any movie from the 90's that about boys coming-of-age. While guys 'suffer' the epic conquest of women during their teens (according to the movie), the girls have nothing going on for them (also according to the movie).
Unpopular opinion but, Jenny in Forest Gump.
She's only written to move the male character along. She's reduced to her reproductive organs the entire time. It's annoying over done horrible crappy trope to use a woman being raped being murdered tortured giving birth etc only to make the male character seem deeper. Most of the time the woman has no lines and some movies she's just a picture or a flashback can't even see her face.
To be fair it is told from Forest's perspective so the narrator has his bias. We are seeing it from his perspective which is colored by his mental disability.
Apparently her character is better and has more of her own thing going on in the book. I wouldn't read it myself because I'm not a fan of the film but there you go.
Charlie’s Angels (2000 & 2003) just ooze the male gaze
Aren't the les equally annoyed by the fact that no woman can or would run in heels though? Men don't know, but the les do. They're all knowing.
Load More Replies...Drew Barrymore's production company was behind these films, so I think women were involved.
Ironically Drew Barrymore was the main driver and producer of these terrible films.
these movies are fun and funny, and think a lot of people didn't get it, Luke Wilson and the other men admiring and deferring, in fact all the male characters defer to the power of these women, I think why men really don't like it.
I think men like it but not really because funny, but rather its good looking ladies and its still action film.
Load More Replies...Lara Croft
The worse. She is not badass at all. She is an spoiled entitled brat making tantrums and iresponsibly destroying everything. (Yes, scowling a that terracotta warriors scene, it made me hate Angelina Jolie to this day). She is the average dumb male indiana jones, with big boobs, shorts, heavy make up, guns, big boobs and zero brain or empathy. Did I say big boobs?
What's wrong with big boobs though? Having big boobs doesn't make you dumb or shallow or annoying.
Load More Replies...I'm not sure about this one. Lara had to be portrayed in physical terms loyal to the video game so yes, impractical attire. But overall, in the 2018 outing, she comes across as a competent archaeologist and bona fide adventurer on a par with Indiana Jones. She pretty much kicks ass.
If you played the 2013 rebooted Tomb Raider game that 2018 film was based on them it's hard to enjoy the it. The acting was somehow worse in the film with a less human and more corny badass super hero performance.
Load More Replies...In the newer games she is actually an interesting character, with no pointy boobs and a well rounded character arc. No idea about the film!
In the games she is not as sexualized and I did find her independence inspiring.
I guess this is more about the "old" Lara Croft (Angelina Jolie's version)?
i think so. The remake was pretty good, kind of sad it did not take off
Load More Replies...I hate movies where women are portrayted as a 'sex' object... The movie that features female characters but without a single woman involved: Jason Bourne (2016). Its target audiance is clearly men. But there are several female into it. It seems like at every explosion in the movie. There is a women flying into the air with a lot of blood involved.
Crank. That one scene where Jason Statham forces his girlfriend to have sex with him out in the street where everyone is watching and even though she VERY much objects, he just keeps going (because of the plot) and eventually she starts enjoying it. Like, what?
It's like he just hooks up with someone to get info and help w/ the villain, so once the villain is killed in a suitably explosive manner he leaves them behind and goes off on his next adventure.
Load More Replies...And you don't know if the person is dyslexic, or even if their native language is English, so you're just being a sh*tty ableist now.
Load More Replies...Catwoman
Ok people will laugh but I frigging love the hallie berry catwoman movie. It's one of my comfort movies. My daughter loves it too. Yes it's silly but it was supposed to be
I don't love it but it's really no worse than a lot of Marvel films out there. One of the Avengers film followed the story of how Ironman's A.I got upgraded by a magical gem, turned evil, built itself a robot body and tried to pick up a town and drop it back down again. I don't understand how Catwoman gets singled out as being bad.
Load More Replies...Although I love the series, Indiana Jones.
The problem is that she and Indiana had a relationship when she was a minor and the original character creation involved the idea of her seducing him at like 13.
Load More Replies...I always end up disappointed in Indiana Jones bc a lot of the female characters start out strong & clearly self-sufficient but mysteriously 'cave' to Indy at the end. The movies make wooing a woman seem like trying to tame a wild horse & it's pretty insufferable. Temple of Doom particularly gave me those vibes.
Apparently 4 people have never seen Family Guy and their ignorance had to be shown
he strongly follows the saying "if at first you don't succeed, try try again"
Pulp Fiction. Hate to say it. Actually, I don’t. It’s for sure Pulp Fiction.
I don’t think that any of the characters are exactly realistic or unproblematic in Pulp Fiction, even characters who hardly have any screen time. They’re cliches and caricatures, that’s kind of the point though. Big fan of the film.
Oh dear,if you dont understand pulp fiction then it's your issue for being ignorant
Ugh, finally! I thought I was the only one. I always get shocked faces when I say that I hated it.
Load More Replies...I think it's the style of Tarantino. Kill Bill is much the same. I think you should shut up your logical sense at thes films. It's splatter, it's bad, but somehow funny too.
I couldn't stand that whiny "Blueberry pancakes" woman in Pulp Fiction. How she managed to brush her teeth, with as how stupid she was, was the interesting part.
The ' whiney ' character is an actress playing a role. It's what they do ffs
I haven't seen the movie and I don't plan to, I only know of it from the theme song, D**k Dale's Miserlou, which is the best surf guitar song of all time. It's a waste that they used it in such a trashy movie.
Why did it censor that, that's his actual name.
Load More Replies...Not a movie, but there were more than a few female characters in the show Supernatural that were definitely written in a way that made me think there's no way a woman was involved in writing this.
Then there was Charlie. She was awesome and funny and caring and super smart and a lesbian. Did she live? Of course not.
YES ESPECIALLY THE EPISODE WHERE JO GETS STUCK IN THE WALLS WITH THE OTHER BLONDES
What does their hair color have to do with anything? It’s just a physical appearance
Load More Replies...Wasn't there a chart that was basically any female character on the show dies but she dies and is also evil if she slept with Sammy?
I enjoyed a lot of that show, but the female characters were definitely underwritten.
I could NOT get past the first episode where the hot girlfriend walks in when the guys were talking and the second guy (Sorry, don't know all their names!) basically hits on her in front of her bf, then she dies by being lit on fire, but is still posed in a "pretty" way while she burns. Eff that.
Not a movie, but Death Note. The female lead is atrocious to watch, even by anime standards. And as usual in the shonen genre, the author writes good female side characters by accident and then doesn't know what to do with them.
ONGGGG. But i shouldn't be sayng anything as an ex light-yagami simp tbf.
Nocturnal Animals. The women in the story within the story basically just exist for the purpose of r**e and murder. This is supposed to be a metaphor for how the man feels violated that his wife aborted their child and cheated on him. Oh, and the man stalks his now ex by mailing her this incredibly violent novel.
Even more shocking is that the movie was written and directed by a gay man.
Closer. Some of the choices and dialogue for the women was ridiculous and clearly came from the egotistical fantasies of a man.
The Truth about Cats and Dogs was so triggering. I looked up to Janeane Garofalo as a role model, and also thought she was a hottie with a similar look/body type to me. The movie's message of, don't worry if you're not tall skinny blonde Uma Thurman, men will still like your fugly ass for your personality, was pretty harmful. I don't know who was involved in the writing but if it was women there's a lot of internalized misogyny there.
Just look it up on imdb or wikipedia... screenplay written by a woman
And maybe the internalized misogyny was there to make a point of its existence and how to overcome it perhaps? I don't know I saw the movie over 20 years ago so I'm just guessing.
Load More Replies...Hair color does not determine how your face and body will look. If Uma was a brunette then it would still have the same misogynistic message about “beauty”. Hair color has nothing to do with it.
Kramer vs Kramer . Meryl streeps character is so unrealistic it’s laughable. And not even the part where she leaves it’s the part where she comes back, decides she wants to be a mom again to the point where she goes to court and then changes her mind because she sees what a great dad Dustin Hoffman’s character is. And then poof she’s gone again. A mom, who is motivated enough to try and get custody in court would never give up and just f**k off like that.
I disagree about this one. Story telling involves "bad guys". Women are fully capable of playing this role too.
Basic Instinct. Just finally saw it for the first time and holy hell every woman is hot and hysterical.
The original planet of the apes movie or any James bond movies
The only James Bond film that gets a pass in my book is Quantum of Solace. I lot of people hated that film but you had a ex-service agent seeking revenge on the man who raped and murdered her family using the best means available to her as a woman at the time.
PoA: Nova was just a mute love interest (the ape scientists intended them to bond sexually for scientific observation) but Dr. Zira was an amazing role and portrayal. I never understood why humans had devolved to be mentally addled mutes. I suppose it simplified the plot but IMO if the extant humans could communicate then Nova could have been more dimensional.
Gone girl. It completely invalidates sexual assault. The whole thing was pretty much saying that women use their gender to manipulate men and that we lie about the things we go though as women in order to do so
I didn't take it like that. She was a sociopath and said that. She was saying people lie about who they are all the time so you might as well make that lie keep each other at their best. Like holding someone hostage and they have to act a certain way to eventually be let go. Definitely sociopathic. The men were no better as far as being lying manipulative and controlling
Well not everyone will take it the way you did, that’s the problem. People will still think that women lie about being assaulted and that is very harmful for women.
Load More Replies...This thread’s title is (currently) “I was written by a man.” Gillian Flynn is a woman.
Gone Girl was about a Psychopath married to a Narcissist. Her character is not about her gender it's about her abnormal psych which the author excels at showing in character motivations without ever telling us. I get where this person is coming from but the abnormal psych trumps gender in this case.
It's pretty interesting how the feeling of the story changes from the book written by a woman and the movie directed by a man...
'Gone Girl' was written by a woman. However, as I'm reading through these, I was thinking of 'Beastars' for pretty much the same reason, and it was also created by a woman. So, it's not just men who write women weird
10% of all rape reports are b******t. Women, and this may surprise you, are PEOPLE and people are largely garbage. Some are worse than others, and some of them are, yes, women. Stop treating every movie/show/book/comment as if it's a blanket statement meant to apply to everyone and everything for all of time.
Maze Runner I only watched the first one but if you put a sexy plant where she is standing with a note it’s the same impact
The books were just as bad, every single character was completely one dimensional.
For future casting purposes, please specify the sexy plant in question...
Any movie with a birth scene in which the vagina is treated like an orifice capable of stretching powers even Elasti-Girl from "The Incredibles" would envy. Like, wow, that woman just gave birth to a f**king full-grown demon cause pelvises NEVER break under the strain of childbirth! And a vagina is basically just an unbreakable elastic hole that can accommodate ANYTHING going in or out of it! Right? (This was entirely a reaction to the demon birth dream from "Marianne.") In the same vein, any birth scene where the mother is just a little sweaty but totally glowing and happy and wide awake after a 20-hour labor, and she looks like she was never pregnant at all as soon as they leave the hospital. BOO.
Also where is the afterbirth? Baby’s come out clean and 2 months old. The closest to realistic newborn I’ve ever seen was in “children of me” and it was a robot. I think they should all be newborn robots so it looks more believable. Still no afterbirth in that movie too. I can’t say a single movie where there was some.
Last Duel. Then again, pretty much any movie that falls into the "movie about marginalization and traumatization of women primarily starring men" category.
The Breakfast Club and The Kissing Booth. I love The Breakfast Club but I do not believe for a second that any woman in real life is gonna willingly kiss a man who just had his face up her skirt. I just genuinely hate The Kissing Booth overall.
Generally they kiss BEFORE he puts his face up her skirt. But, yeah, its a meet cute thing.
I love claire and bender but that dynamic would NOT fly today, i'd like it if he had faced consequences for that or have it not happen at all, i'd like to just rewrite the entire movie so they'd work out
Van Helsing
Not forgiving the misogyny in this movie but every character seems like it was made up by a 13 year old boy whose 6 year old brother had final say.
I actually really like Van Helsing. It's one of those mindless fluff movies for me.
Ikr? It's so over the top, i like it for that very reason. And Kate Beckingsale's character was badass!
Load More Replies...Sin City
Well any movie with dialogue that involves saying dames a lot is probably gonna be problematic.
It's based on a graphic novel which is in turn based on stereotyped mafia stuff... so unsurprising how it came out. A bit like bitching about period pieces like wuthering heights.
It's still stylized to hyper objectify the women. Frank Miller is a very influential artist and writer but he does have a very imbalanced way of treating women in most of his stuff. It's good to call it out regardless of era.
Load More Replies...Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The amount of ass/feet shots is just weird
It was a fairy tale. I loved it. The ending with Sharon Tate still alive is sad and beautiful.
Load More Replies...I would love to say Wonder Woman 1984, but the truth is that it was just disappointing and insulting at the same time.
There’s Something About Mary
That was hilarious and mocked every man along the way! An amazing smart woman becomes a surgeon and helps out special needs kids. Horrible portrayal
I still think the scene with the dog and the lamp is hilarious. Matt Dillon!
Load More Replies...Euphoria, not a movie but yeah
They're not romanticising it. It's the unfortunate reality of many teenagers.
Load More Replies...Taken. Every girl/woman in that movie is just terrible.
Honestly, Kiss kiss bang bang. It came highly recommended but it is so terribly masogynistic, I couldn't get through it..
The Boys (tv show). There’s a few female screenwriters scattered here and there but it’s 99% cishet dude bulls**t. And before anyone tries the “you don’t understand it” spiel, yes, I do. And the “feminist” tone it goes for misses by a mile. The show suffers from an egregious use of lampshading — noting misogyny exists but not actually criticizing it in any meaningful way — and is male gazey in insidious ways. e: I think it’s impossible to turn the original source material into anything empowering for women. There’s just nothing substantial to go off of.
maybe i need to revisit it, but all i remember from that show was how awful all the men were, each in their own particular awful way.
Accurate as heck. The show tries to empower its female characters with overt narrative but still subjects them to and normalized sexual assault and none of the women really have agency with regards to how they dress or present or even act when not in the presence of their male love interest.
Blue is the warmest color
Kill Bill
Crank. And Crank: High Voltage. My fiancé and I just laughed about how god awful the women in those movies were portrayed.
That one episode of victorious where it’s a secret Santa thing and they sing the song in a short skirt fishnet stockings and short shorts
Mary Jane(Spider-Man 2002 and sequals)
Justice League
Eh Snyder's cut was alright. Other than the weird worshiping hero's as gods thing.
Atomic Blonde. 100%.
I liked this movie. It was still very male gaze but I enjoyed the female characters.
Sandra Bollocks character in Gravity - it was painful to watch
I don't think you were paying attention as her character is well fleshed out - and I thought the movie was great.
Strange Magic “It’s Star Wars for girls” What!?
Green lantern
Scott Piligrim thingy
Fight Club. Wild Things. Devil's Advocate
What's the problem with Fight Club? Marla is obviously a mess but it didn't strike me as a sexist portrayal?
I’m a little annoyed with Yellowstone. Like why is Beth always naked but not Rip? I just want it to happen ONCE
Things You Can Tell Just by Looking at Her (2000). My stream (I think Netflix?) suggested it to me and because it has so many actors I like, I decided to try it out. Omg. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry at the depiction of women back then. Embarrassing and appalling
Snow White
Like all the Marvel movies
The Iron Man movies and the two Whedon Avengers movies for sure. Endgame. Thor 1 to a degree but a lot of them I'm not seeing the issue. Heck Black Panther passes the Bechdel test. So does Captain Marvel.
The Matrix movies
Fifth Element
I kind of liked that movie, partly because the flanboyantly femme man was included in the team of humans who saved the world. That may be unique.
I liked it too. It was pretty diverse for it's time and featured several, very different, heroes. I don't think it belongs here.
Load More Replies...The title of the article doesn't say human, it says "female characters."
Load More Replies...Lifeforce
Naked space kitten vampire? Patrick Stewart making out with a dude and exploding in a shower of red-liquid papier-mâché? Electric soul zombies roaming the streets of London for their next victims? C'mon, this was ART...! ;P
Anya in queens gambit, I honestly love the series and it is shot so beautifully, But the episodes where they show her being depressed and hitting rock bottom was s**t, what women decides to wear makeup and underwear and dance in their living room while getting drunk to cope with their mother's death
Kalsarikännit is perfectly valid form of grieving, at least in Finland.
I was so relieved when my mother died, I almost start dancing. But for relief. Forget make up, underwear and drinking
Can´t stop thinking bout that scene on Monthy Python's Holy Grail movie, where male actors are dressed as females disguised as male peasants
Yes, the women dressed as men with fake beards so they could participate in a Judean stoning execution, as women were forbidden from participating. Its called satire and doubly so as the women with speaking parts were played by the men in the troupe.
Load More Replies...Monty python ALWAYS have drag. Jesus christ. Get over yourself. It is PRECISELY satire. The point is PRECISELY that. Think about life of brian with the stoning scene! The women are dressed as men because of sexism in judaism! It is PRECISELY satire. FFS . Wait till you see Judith ranting at the crowd in LOB with full frontal. It is totally zero sexy. ZERO. It's an angry liberated woman. Fuckkkk oofffff with this one. Watch interviews with the Python guys on youtube. Those guys were SUPER progressive for their time, and even today sound MORE progressive than most people in the west. Such an annoying entry.
Most of the female characters in Monty Python were played by the boys. It is supposed to be funny. Attitudes change.
Connie Booth and Carol Cleveland in the supporting cast did have some memorable moments. And Connie was so brilliant in Fawlty Towers. But MP was a boys club for the most part.
Load More Replies...Im tired of rape in movies so sick of it. Watching the queens gambit and I was waiting for the horrific rape scene. Was so frigging happy when that did not happen. 62million people watched that show it just proves a well written female lead movie makes for great viewing too not just the same old stuff over and over.
It should never be a part of film. Hot take I know but there are certain crimes we do not show on film because it is too vile this should be one of them. And if it is it should never be a voyeur POV.
Load More Replies...i hate the stereotype that the main female character denys that she likes the male main character the whole film then at the end the male character forcibly kisses her and the woman enjoys it! always pisses me off whenever i see it
Reminds me of the m.a.s.h. Tv show anytime “Hawkeye” would kiss Margaret “hot lips” they would drag it out while everyone looks away and when done Margaret has a dreamy look on her face and is all hot and ready for more til she is guided away from the area. It happens every time they kiss. Hawkeye forces it on her and she softens in his arms.
Load More Replies...This is how we all need to analyse movies: the Bechdel Test. To assess if women have an actual purpose in a film: (1) it has to have at least two women in it, who (2) who talk to each other, about (3) something besides a man. When you watch films with these criteria, you find that at least 75% of Hollywood movies fail the Bechdel test.
What about the opposite of that? And if the main characters are guys, what would you think if it didn't have any women? But I see what you're saying for SOME
Load More Replies...I agreed with a number of these but a lot are people just being idiots/calling out something popular to be eDgY.
This whole post is Karen Candy. Seriously. Don't like a movie, don't watch it. A lot of movies actually bring to light the true and real horrors that actually do exist in our world, as sick and twisted as they may be. The movies and shows mentioned here cleared millions and millions of dollars... The only thing I hate is when female actors are paid less due to being born with a inny instead of an outie. We live in a age in time where an actress can not only refuse a scene or a topic but they can and will run it through the media mill if their demand is denied.
This whole post isn't about how we hate that we've watched the movie with sexism in it. It's that we dislike that the movie exists in the first place. Media has glorified sexism. It's not showing us how it's wrong, it's showing us that treated women this sexist way is seductive and powerful and being sexy and wanted by a man is a woman's value. And yes women can refuse work, but a lot of these examples are from either older movies or movies that claim to give women respect but still aren't good enough. Nobody notices when a movie fails the bechdel test unless you bring up the test. Women are so used to being treated second best that we often don't see the inequality in front of us.
Load More Replies...Women in movies just being there for decoration and getting away with horrible behavior because they’re pretty, which is why I absolutely hate Buttercup from “The Princess Bride”. She’s useless and insufferable. When she’s not being a stuck-up brat to Westley, she’s just moping around and waiting to be rescued while the men do all the work.
Quentin Tarantino is well known for a few things 1) Character Dialog 2) intense violence, usually up close and personal 3) homages to favorite movies/directors/actors 4) revenge for rape (he's done male rape too) or killing a loved one 5) foot and leg fetishism, honestly I think there's only 2 movies of his that don't have a close up shot of women's feet. Obviously the rape trope is used WAY too much in tv & movies. Male writers write female characters based on female characters they've grown up watching, leading to an unending cycle of misogynistic garbage. The only way to break free is for women to write/direct more films that become popular and that sadlt hasn't happened much yet.
That, though, requires wealthy men to give them money for those. Or wealthy women. Did you know Reese Witherspoon is producing and financing a lot of female writers and directors? I didn't until recently. But as long as its a male-dominated field, women have a tough time getting recognized for their work behind the scenes
Load More Replies...If romcom movies are horrible and written by men why are they so popular?
Sex and the city. Horrendous empyheaded females only caring about casual sex and heels. Ugh
I agree. Loathe SATC. Rich spoiled women whose lives revolve around... sex, and men. Ummm.... No.
Load More Replies...Im tired of rape in movies so sick of it. Watching the queens gambit and I was waiting for the horrific rape scene. Was so frigging happy when that did not happen. 62million people watched that show it just proves a well written female lead movie makes for great viewing too not just the same old stuff over and over.
It should never be a part of film. Hot take I know but there are certain crimes we do not show on film because it is too vile this should be one of them. And if it is it should never be a voyeur POV.
Load More Replies...i hate the stereotype that the main female character denys that she likes the male main character the whole film then at the end the male character forcibly kisses her and the woman enjoys it! always pisses me off whenever i see it
Reminds me of the m.a.s.h. Tv show anytime “Hawkeye” would kiss Margaret “hot lips” they would drag it out while everyone looks away and when done Margaret has a dreamy look on her face and is all hot and ready for more til she is guided away from the area. It happens every time they kiss. Hawkeye forces it on her and she softens in his arms.
Load More Replies...This is how we all need to analyse movies: the Bechdel Test. To assess if women have an actual purpose in a film: (1) it has to have at least two women in it, who (2) who talk to each other, about (3) something besides a man. When you watch films with these criteria, you find that at least 75% of Hollywood movies fail the Bechdel test.
What about the opposite of that? And if the main characters are guys, what would you think if it didn't have any women? But I see what you're saying for SOME
Load More Replies...I agreed with a number of these but a lot are people just being idiots/calling out something popular to be eDgY.
This whole post is Karen Candy. Seriously. Don't like a movie, don't watch it. A lot of movies actually bring to light the true and real horrors that actually do exist in our world, as sick and twisted as they may be. The movies and shows mentioned here cleared millions and millions of dollars... The only thing I hate is when female actors are paid less due to being born with a inny instead of an outie. We live in a age in time where an actress can not only refuse a scene or a topic but they can and will run it through the media mill if their demand is denied.
This whole post isn't about how we hate that we've watched the movie with sexism in it. It's that we dislike that the movie exists in the first place. Media has glorified sexism. It's not showing us how it's wrong, it's showing us that treated women this sexist way is seductive and powerful and being sexy and wanted by a man is a woman's value. And yes women can refuse work, but a lot of these examples are from either older movies or movies that claim to give women respect but still aren't good enough. Nobody notices when a movie fails the bechdel test unless you bring up the test. Women are so used to being treated second best that we often don't see the inequality in front of us.
Load More Replies...Women in movies just being there for decoration and getting away with horrible behavior because they’re pretty, which is why I absolutely hate Buttercup from “The Princess Bride”. She’s useless and insufferable. When she’s not being a stuck-up brat to Westley, she’s just moping around and waiting to be rescued while the men do all the work.
Quentin Tarantino is well known for a few things 1) Character Dialog 2) intense violence, usually up close and personal 3) homages to favorite movies/directors/actors 4) revenge for rape (he's done male rape too) or killing a loved one 5) foot and leg fetishism, honestly I think there's only 2 movies of his that don't have a close up shot of women's feet. Obviously the rape trope is used WAY too much in tv & movies. Male writers write female characters based on female characters they've grown up watching, leading to an unending cycle of misogynistic garbage. The only way to break free is for women to write/direct more films that become popular and that sadlt hasn't happened much yet.
That, though, requires wealthy men to give them money for those. Or wealthy women. Did you know Reese Witherspoon is producing and financing a lot of female writers and directors? I didn't until recently. But as long as its a male-dominated field, women have a tough time getting recognized for their work behind the scenes
Load More Replies...If romcom movies are horrible and written by men why are they so popular?
Sex and the city. Horrendous empyheaded females only caring about casual sex and heels. Ugh
I agree. Loathe SATC. Rich spoiled women whose lives revolve around... sex, and men. Ummm.... No.
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