What is considered normal or socially acceptable is changing all the time. Less than a century ago, doctors were endorsing cigarettes, and people were smoking on planes as casually as we sip juice on flights today. 50 years ago, the world was a very different place, and it’s likely that in another half century, we’ll be saying the same thing.
One aspect of our lives that’s likely to undergo major changes in the coming decades is the workplace. And according to Reddit users, there are plenty of common practices they believe will be considered unethical or illegal in the future. Below, we’ve gathered some of their most thoughtful responses, so enjoy reading through and imagining how much better work environments might be for our children and grandchildren.
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In the US (at least), I think visual privacy. I have an office, so I'm not fussed, but my staff who I love, are in "open office" that I can see anything they're doing.
I've never said it, because I totally don't give a s**t as long as they finish their work, but it should be illegal for me to be upset/report (I absolutely do not) that they've hopped on Facebook for a ten minute break or whatever.
The visual privacy thing causes a lot of stress - worrying about checking your phone at your desk, etc. If there's a performance issue, there's a performance issue. If there's not, there's not. Did you submit a Draft to me at 1:30pm? Great. Was it in good-enough quality to be workable? Great. Did you spend 15 minutes chatting on Whatsapp chatting about plans this weekend? Great.
It should be illegal for a workplace to stare-at and punish someone for living their life. And it should be unethical to have people in a fishbowl with eyes on them the entire time.
There was an experimental prison long ago, that basically put inmates in a fishbowl. No privacy ever. Constant eyes on them. Prisoners went literally, clinically insane. The experiment was deemed inhumane cruel and unusual punishment, and the concept was abandoned. Yet this is exactly the same thing as the “open office” concept that companies use and abuse, but no one seems to call for an end to, as cruel and inhumane. So I guess 21st century office workers aren’t valued as human beings in the same way that prisoners were in the last century.
I think I know which prison you're talking of, and the building is now an office 😅
Load More Replies...As long as the required work is finished on time and meets expectations, absolutely no one should care about anything else the worker did in that same time.
Anything else? Are you sure about that? Watching porn, harassing coworkers, sitting at the desk naked... There are plenty of things management should care about.
Load More Replies...When I was a people manager, i had an office, and it was mostly so I could have private conversations with my direct reports without fear of being overheard. The rest of the staff had cubicles, which were later downgraded to open office style desks, which frankly sucked for everyone. The open office concept should be absolutely abolished because it's disruptive AF.
I was a VP of IT during covid lockdowns. I refused to sanction putting monitoring software on staff computers while they were working from home. My position was that according to the HR manual and the performance appraisal process managers and staff were supposed to set measurable, achievable targets. If staff met those targets then why were you monitoring them to see if they did it at 2pm or 2am? Then the lockdown ended and I had to fight for my developer team to stay mostly remote because, freed from a daily 2 hours of commuting, productivity went up. Other VPs and Senior VPs wanted staff back in office so they could watch them. Guess I was too much trouble, because, after completing a major data and application project that only I had the background information and connections to do on time and under budget, I got made redundant :|
Open offices are a real nightmare for neurodivergent people with sensory issues too. I have a lot of trouble with it. I can’t use ear plugs or headphones so I just have to suck it up and it takes its toll.
As someone who has worked in an open office for over 25 years, and although I'm very much used to it, I can confirm my absolute hatred of this environment ... never thought I'd miss a cubicle so much!
Our school requires staff to come in on snow days to zoom the kids at home (Can you say "Micromanage"?)
Unpaid internships. Unpaid overtime.
This is already unethical or illegal in most developed countries.
Ahhh, the USA likes to boast they are 'world leaders' when, in fact, they are third world country run by corporations that enslave the people.
Load More Replies...When I worked in fashion, you HAD to to be earlier and it was 'noted' if you ever left on time. No overtime. so glad I left that toxic world.
Illegal in the EU. But *cue an american randomly saying how free and awesome they are*
Yep. Australia has only in relatively recent years started following America in having unpaid internships. Not great, my son is currently doing one and it costs him money to do it - transport to get there and having to buy event specific clothes - all for what?! I’ve done over 20 hours of unpaid overtime this week. I work in state government and the policy is overtime can be taken as Time In Lieu.
This sucks in the US; paying to go to school which in turn forces you to do often unpaid work in exchange for your degree. Finding drcent paid internships are really hard.
Health insurance tied to employment.
Can't be done. Except by every other industrialized nation on earth.
Load More Replies...I don't *have* to work - I can live off my income investments and retirement etc (frugally but) I can't actually leave my employment because my family relies on my health insurance which we simply cannot afford otherwise. My hubby is retired and to add me and our son to his insurance would raise his cost from $159 per month to a staggering $2,500 per month. like WTAF?
Here, Superannuation is taxed (at only 15%) going in so retirees are exempt from having to pay into universal health care regardless of how much personal and/public pension they pull down.
Load More Replies...Crappy overpriced healthcare ties to employment, you mean. However, it seems in the US that people forget the ACA. If you’re unemployed, you can still be covered, and for a lot less than the company’s insurance.
The ACA is a scam. You get government subsidies for the insurance. Later on, if/when you don't need the subsidy, they take it back out of your tax return. We were forced to get it while my husband was on unemployment (3 months; I was a student). It was $13 a month with an $8000 deductible. We couldn't afford to use it. After he was working again, they took $1200 out of our tax return to pay for the insurance we couldn't afford to use.
Load More Replies...This is taking an incentive to work, and elevating it to the level of a necessity. If you have no real choice except to work, exactly how free are you REALLY?
Universal healthcare increases freedom. Many in the US incorrectly think the opposite.
Load More Replies...Another usa problem. In Australia anyone can buy health insurance but ALL people get free basic medical and hospital services..
As a Canadian, I've been saying it's pretty much like indentured slavery. I find it too difficult to believe a place that puts so much emphasis into "freedom" they they allow it to happen. Clear brainwashing.
"Free" health care is never free. It's paid for one way or another. When lines are too long north of the border for life giving care (cancer) we get those patients here. My mom was in hospice, in the room next to her was a Canadian (what I would deem a hero) he was a fire fighter (not sure if it was city or in the woods) he couldn't get his end of life care in Canada (I think he started his chemo here but it was too late, so transferred to hospice wing). This was 30 years ago. It pretty much turned me off to "free" medical. I was in my mom's room when he crossed over, he passed through me (I had done energy work on him prior).
Load More Replies...Healthcare is a basic human right. To profit from sickness or injury is a crime against humanity.
Americans can thank FDR and his decision to force a maximum net income during the Great Depression for this. Employers had to come up with a way to increase compensation without crossing that line, so non-monetary benefits like paid health insurance became the norm.
Paying barely above minimum wage for jobs that require a university degree.
Not paying enough for the cost of living in the location of the office. No one should be paid minimum wage if they work in the San Francisco Bay Area, New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, etc, where rent alone is two or three times the entire monthly gross—-not net—-pay from a full time minimum wage job. Hell, no one shou,d be laid minimum wage anywhere, as areas with a low cost of living also pay a ridiculously low minimum wage amount that still isn’t enough to pay rent., much less bills and groceries.
So many areas, the c I st of rent or mortgage far outweighs any income.
Load More Replies......and the job is either entry level, or it needs experience. It is linguistically and literally impossible for those two things to be true at the same time.
I don't see jobs paying minimum wage these days. Not that it matters. $20 an hour you're still struggling to get by and will never own a home. The average income is still around $26 an hour, and that's not enough to own a home in any state.
Minimum wage MUST be tied to the cost of living! When cost of living goes up, Minimum wage goes up. If you work full-time, then you deserve to make enough to cover the basics.
We are going over this in an organization I am affiliated with. When the amount of money coming in just doesn't allow for the cost of living in the area but you really need that person to be local, how do you solve it.
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Tipping culture being so prevalent, and even required, for some workers to barely make a living wage.
This is in fact illegal already in most of the civilised world. USA is lagging behind badly in this matter. That said, I hope, that one day, a new Congress will arise, and lobbyists will be cut off, and there will be new laws, good for the people not for corporations.
The fact remains that in many venues, tipped workers (waitstaff, bartenders) do much better than if they were hourly compensated.
Load More Replies...Most wait staff, even those who have a base if $12 to $20 per hour, standard where I live, prefer tips. Case in point - a well known restaurant recently reopened paying servers $30 per hour, no tips. The servers were upset and demanded tips with a lower hourly wage as they make way more that way.
The fact places are allowed to pay below the minimum wage is vile. The whole argument about $15 burgers at McDonalds have been disproven so many times
Can you imagine Ole Warren buffet if his mcds hit $15.00
Load More Replies...Tipping is fine, but the minimum pay for tipped individuals should be higher then it is.
my husband gets onto me bc i always tip half of whatever we spend. last night we went out for drinks as a couple. total was 24$. i tipped 12. anything lower felt very very wrong. ive worked customer service and i know how much it sucks to go home with a paycheck that barely pays for gas to get to work.
Oddly, there is now an option to tip at my mechanic's shop. Isn't that odd? Over $400 in service and then expected to tip 20-30%?
I already have given up on eating out. They are charging too much and still not paying staff enough to allow them to live locally. In order for people to make enough here they would have to be full time at $40.00 per hour.
We are seeing now that half the last 2 years inflation was corporate greed and the goverments response instead of passing laws to limit price gauging and restrict corporations, they just used a blunt stick to hammer the middle and lower class further down until it settled. Which means no all those raises people got and stuff didn't cause the economy to go in the toilet, it was people that make $1mil+ a 20% pay cut so people could afford to live, and instead got a 20% pay raise to make sure we are all deeper in debt.
Seattle was affordable housing wise before amazon came along
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Forcing a 40-hour work week when there isn't 40 hours worth of work. If it's a salary position and there's nothing to do, we should just be able to go home. We work late when there's deadlines, but when nothing is going on we can't go home early.
This is so true. I had a sales job where we were busy from 6:30-1:30 M-Sa. We had to stay until 3:30. There were no sales to be had, but the owner paced around like a caged cat. It was the most stressful part of the day. That's what I get for going salaried. I used to just leave at 1:30 when I was hourly.
Don't work Saturdays. Add Saturdays hours to the other work days over the week. That way you actually get a weekend of 2 days.
Load More Replies...My neighbor's nephew went to work for one of the Obamacare exchanges. These were the folks one called to sign up or give help to sign up for the insurance. They got a decent hourly wage. Two dozen people working in an office where they they received around 30 calls a day.
This is such bizzare nonsense. You are supposed to not be paid overtime because sometimes you don't have work, yet if yoi don't have work you can't go home? Absolute bs. In fact i think no one should not be paid overtime. If a employer is requiring you to be in a place or ready to respond to requests, that's work, even if there's nothing to do
So true! Being a head of department at my workplaces I always told my team to track their overtime (that companies didn't compensate as extra work hours) and go home whenever they had nothing to do. Marketing jobs can be hectic so it's often that we stay longer to finish up projects on time, and there's rarely downtime but whenever there is, I feel like my team earned those hours of rest. No matter what the supervisors think.
I have been a salaried employee for most of my career. In most (but not all) cases, it's been understood that salaried means you will work more some weeks, and less other weeks. Unfortunately, some companies don't get the memo and insist that you be in the office 40 hours a week, no exceptions. It's all about control.
If you are salaried it is assumed to be for a 40 hour week (in the USA) unless otherwise specified in the employment contract. So if there is no work you are being paid to just sit there which is not so horrible. As for working late at times - if you are regular salary - overs over 40 are supposed to be paid OT. If you are salary exempt (supposed to just be fore management and such) you don't get paid extra but in most cases salary exempt folks are paid significantly more to make up for sometimes having to deal with after hours BS. If you are regular salary and getting milked for unpaid OT, that is already illegal. More info at link. One company I worked for had to make changes because they were doing it wrong. == https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-qa/pages/exempt-nonexempt-salaried-hourly-definitions.aspx#:~:text=Nonexempt%20employees%20may%20be%20paid,salary%20basis%2C%20as%20discussed%20above.
I think you've never had a job with too little work if you think that's not horrible. It's as awful as having too much work. I've experienced both and I couldn't decide which is worse.
Load More Replies...Salary for normal employees is absurd. Here in Italy only people with management or commercial roles aren't paid hourly, but because it is difficult to understand when they are working or not. For example: I go out eating with a client. I'm working? I'm just eating? But if I'm a developer and my manager tell me to stay late, it is their responsibility to pay me.
No it isn't. The problem is a lot of people think all salary is the same. You are thinking of salary exempt which is for executives / admin and stuff. Non-exempt salaried people are still paid for overtime hours - at least in the USA. If they are not, the employer is breaking the law.
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If you do a good job you're "rewarded" with extra work
Or you’re “rewarded” by sudden write ups and bad employee reviews, in an effort to get rid of you, since you’re older and at the top of the pay scale, and replace you with someone younger and cheaper. All that experience and knowledge thrown away to save a couple bucks—-stolen money which is then transferred to the CEI’s offshore account, of course—-and the company’s customers suffer for it. They forget that old people also have bills to pay, and trying to find a new job when you’re older is f*****g impossible.
Age discrimination is a thing. It isn't supposed to be and potential employers aren't stupid enough to actually SAY that's the reason you aren't hired, but still... it's there, and prevalent.
Load More Replies...Older, more experienced employees getting paid less than the new hires because they started back when pay scales were lower. I've seen top employees getting barely above minimum wage because they thought that was the norm. Criminal.
I had to begin never volunteering myself or voicing my new ideas because I knew I'd just be given more work to do, considering I'm the "ideal" employee in some employers' minds. I couldn't take the workload any longer. F**k being so nice and such a great employee.
If you are reliable, work hard, deliver results. Who do you expect your boss to turn to?
Physicians being forced to work 80+ hours/week, 50 weeks/year, for 4-7 years after graduating medical school, while spending precious “free time” studying for board exams, completing tedious research projects, etc.
Lorry/truck drivers, bys drivers, pilots, are all held to strict laws re driving hours due to tiredness being a potential danger to life. Anyone in medical care should he held to the same laws... tiredness can kill!
Makes you want to ask people in hospitals, um before you touch me, how long have you been on duty?
It also totally destroys their credibility. I had an argument with a doctor that I won. She was lecturing me about how important sleep was. I looked at her with contempt and asked "how many hours were your shifts when you did FOUR YEARS of residency?" She looked away and didn't answer. I'll believe it if this changes.
In Australia there is a current class action from junior doctors against many of the large health services based on the ridiculous amount of unpaid hours demanded of them.
This make s no sense for them to do this. You have to be healthy to help others be healthy
Official yes. But some residency programs will still push this and if you report over your hours for duty hours and everyone just gets mad at you because they think it's your fault you're not time efficient enough or you're telling on the program. It's a really toxic way of operating.
Load More Replies...I believe the guy who came up with this schedule was constantly on two different stimulant drugs which is why he was never tired and therefore thought this should be the standard for everyone.
Paying people different for same/similar jobs and prohibiting people from talking about it with each other.
Sadly it seems that in the US there's no law against the employer firing you if you do so either,
Load More Replies...Prohibiting them with the threat of termination. So we can legally discuss our salaries, but at the risk of being fired, or of having our work lives made so miserable that we quit, for it. There should be some kind of law that says any retaliation against legally discussing salary is illegal, and those instigating and participating in it should be fired. Investigations should not be scheduled, but be surprise investigations, so the company has no time to cover up or destroy evidence—-like employee files that were full of glowing reviews that suddenly had writeups and bad reviews added once the employee discussed their salary with another employee, that the company could remove the good reviews and replace them with falsified bad reviews for the employee’s entire tenure with the company. You think a company wouldn’t do that to save face and not pay consequences for it? Come out of la-la land and into the real world, folks. They f*****g well would do that in a half a heartbeat, and I would wager good money most of them already have, on a regular basis.
That retaliation is illegal I believe. The department of Labor and the eeoc would love o hear about it.
Load More Replies...Fair Pay laws that our newly idiotic government is scrapping. Probably because their big business mates are wanting to get rid of it because it supposedly cuts into their profits.
There's no law preventing employees from discussing salaries, and in fact it's illegal for the employer to attempt to prevent employees from doing so. As for the pay rates....sorry, but the person that's been doing the job for 10 years is simply more valuable then the person that just walked in the door with zero experience. Having technical knowledge isn't everything.
But most states are at will. That means they can fire you for anything. So the employer knows you have discussed your salary with another employee, that means they will fire you for being late or some other reason than discussing salary and report it to the feds as such. I was
Load More Replies...I've read this before and again this is in the US I don't understand why this country doesn't have proper support w during your employment. This is a modern first world country.
I have read that it is illegal in the US to forbid employees from discussing their pay. Saw it recently on BP. But I have not seen it from an "official" source.
I saw this article too, then did some research. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages
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Little to no maternity/paternity leave.
Again also illegal to not have good paternal leave on many places.
Maternity leave in most of the world is paid for by the government...which means it's paid by TAXES. When the majority of the country is in a constant battle to keep taxes as low as possible, you don't get to have nice things, like maternity leave, "free" university, and "free" healthcare.
Load More Replies...Another matter in which USA is waaaaay behind the rest of the world. An I am not boastng, I am just sad for all the american mothers and fathers who have to leave their newborn to go to work. This is just cruel.
Combined with no affordable childcare means women usually have to give up their career track. Cruel and wasteful
Load More Replies...I am a Canadian. I get 10 months off, and I get my childbirth and all prenatal paid for. I talked to a lady I worked with in Henderson Nevada and she said it cost her $10k to have her first kid. And she was back to work six weeks later. So sad guys…. I love my American friends mostly, but the reversal of roe vs wade as well as not ,loving forward on Obamacare is a silly thing.
In Australia these are rights. There is also PAID maternity / parental leave
See, this is worse than you thought. We are 50 years after having single income US households as a common thing. Let me spell that out more clearly, maternity leave was not needed, because mom did not need to work outside the house at all. In fact, her mom or in-law would often show up to help for a while, since they did not have outside employment either.
This generation of u.s. women are getting crushed.
Load More Replies...The comparison between the US & Europe is insane. The US system is cruel.
On call 24/7 365, even on vacation and not being compensated for anything off hours because you are salaried.
This includes the hospital as my child was born, getting written up for not answering my phone when I was under for back surgery (they knew I was having it, but my stand in couldn't answer something so they said I failed my due diligence, and cost POTENTIAL productivity.
Fun fact, I quit and they refused to take my resignation 3 times. It took 6 weeks for them to finally stop hounding me.
I would have thought that these would be illegal, even in the least civilized country in the world!
At least where I live in the US it is, labor laws and all
Load More Replies...You know they cant hold you there right? There is no “refusal of resignation.” You just go. Just go. Im so done with what capitalism has done to americans and the toxic workplace norm.
Working a bit late is one thing, I am sometimes on for small periods after my finish time (30mins) that's no big deal to me. If they want me to work weekends for projects that have to be done out of hours, then I will be compensated one way or another. This however is batshit crazy
While I disagree with unreasonable practices, which this was, there’s also the consideration of making sure there are an agreed set of expectations when you take on a salaried role, so both parties know what they’re getting.
Attempting to encourage resignation in order to get an employee to quit without having to pay out severance or unemployment benefits.
In the UK this is classed as " Constructive Unfair Dismissal " and is illegal.
I experienced constructive dismissal 20+ years ago, but didn't pursue it due to cost/stress involved. I did report it to HR and asked for it to be put on the record, but it went on my record, not his 🤬
It is a common misconception, but you CAN get UI benefits if you quit "with good cause connected with the work." Ex UI appeals judge here.
This list shows how much workers in USA have bought the corporate bs and dont know their rights.
Load More Replies...Wrongful termination can lead to damages in Australia. Major payouts can occur. There are also min notice periods so it adds to employer costs unless its a serious wilful issue eg theft
Being expected to work while sick.
Im currently about to start a ten hour shift even though Im ill and have a doctors note. Because I was negative for flu and covid, my work will count the absence against me even with a doctors note.
This is one step away from slavery. The slavery mindset is prevalent in the USA. What a sad country it has become. Americans deserve much better.
A country founded on slavery and unlimited property rights for the over-wealthy can never seem to escape that mindset.
Load More Replies...This is illegal in civilized countries. In the UK, you can self-certify sick for so many days (used to be 4, think it is a week now) before you need a doctors note. Depending on your contract, this may mean you don't get paid for those days, and then the employer has to pay you SSP (Staturory Sick Pay) for 6 weeks, after which the state takes over. Better contracts give full pay up to 6 weeks, then SSP takes over.
Make sure you sneeze and cough without covering your mouth AT the bosses who said that to you.
My work tried to have me work while I had snot running down my face even though I spend all day touching people's food in view of customers.
That is illegal. If the doctor says you can't work then it is illegal for them to make you. Call on them
The US is bizarre about working conditions. I know many people also have good working conditions but there seems such a lack of basic standards and regulation causing such a huge disparity.
In Australia parental and personal leave includes compulsory sick leave. You cannot work when sick. It is paid unless you are casual. A employer can be prosecuted. If they take retribution thats also punishable.
Salaried employees working 70-80 hours workweeks.
Again, not legal now in the USA unless it is specified in a work contract you signed. It sounds like a lot of folks do not understand the labor laws relating to salary and exempt / non exempt. I used to be one of them.
How is it not legal now? Exempt workers can still be required to work long hours with no compensation. Link please
Load More Replies...So many people state that many of these complaints are about things that are ‘illegal’ in the US. Yeah, sure - that sounds great but it is also true that you either tolerate these ‘illegal’ things or get fired. Your employer will find someone who will tolerate what you will not. All states are ‘at-will’ so you can get fired for, basically, any reason. They truly do not need a reason!
Salaried employees getting time & half if mandated for overtime. Temp agency people can volunteer to do overtime & get paid double plus another $50.
If what they are working goes to underminimum wage they can call and report that
If my salary was high enough I’d be happy to do that. I’m doing it now anyway some weeks and not being paid for it but on a lower wage than what would call for a salaried role.
Working for decades with a skeleton crew where each employee has the tasks of 3 employees and is paid 1/3 the wage, so they need to find a second or third job just to survive.
...and the bosses are angry when you have to leave at a specific time to get to your second job.
Plus try to make your work hours incompatible with another job, or school, even if you gave them plenty of notice about it—-then they’ll try to gaslight you that you never told them a thing about it, or they’ll tell you that you have to choose between your main job OR your school classes (in other words, your future to get TF out of that s**t job) or moonlighting job that you need to help pay for basic survival because the s**t full time job doesn’t pay enough. M***********s.
Load More Replies...May be a radical opinion, but I think every full time job should pay you enough to have a flat, pay for groceries and utilities, and leave a little to spend/safe. Regardless of if you're a manager or cleaning staff. Of course you're gonna get better pay higher up, but every job that you're doing full time should support your every day live.
The VA where I worked was notorious for this. If the lone worker missed one thing on their reports, they got fired. They would then post a job opening for 4 people to replace them. Then only hire two. We all questioned if their books had 4 people listed & if the funds for the missing staff went into someone's pocket.
"We'll replace those workers soon! Just be a team player and cover. Why is your work suffering?" More people leave,..
This probably won't take 50 years, but forcing people to work in an office when their job does not require it.
Those unoccupied office buildings could easily be converted into living space—-AFFORDABLE living space—-for people who aren’t making six or seven figure yearly salaries, actually people making under $50,000.00 a year, especially in areas of unnecessarily sky high rents and vastly overpriced, artificially inflated, house purchase prices. No need to cut down trees, or break new ground to disturb existing green spaces. Just take unoccupied, perfectly sound, existing construction and convert it, ffs.
That makes way too much sense for it to happen sadly. I say the same thing with vacant hotels/motels or any vacant building for that matter that's been vacant for awhile, open it up for housing!
Load More Replies...During Covid lockdowns I landed a job that quadrupled my annual taxable income. Nothing about my job has changed since then but we are now required to put in time in the office. I have multiple disabilities and a long commute. Earlier this week it took me 2.5 hours to get into the office and 3 hours to get home, on top of a long work day. It also cost me an extra $50 that day for parking and petrol. I’ve had to up my strong pain meds and sedatives to get through the rest of the week. Let me continue to do the great job I was doing at home!
People are not forced to work in a office. Tgats the job. You can get a job elsewhere if you dont like that. Post covid too many think they can stay at home.
Its proven to be more productive. Its proven to be better for the environment. Its proven to be better for workers happiness. Why are you against making the world a better place ?
Load More Replies...Working in a 110-125 degree fahrenheit factory while watching your coworkers fall out and having the call the ambulance multiple times a week. But don't worry we got a 20 minute lunch in our 12 hour shift.
12hr work would be massive overtime penalty rates, rest breaks and paid meals and paid breaks. In Australia. Once you go past 8 hrs the rest period expands.a few hours at double time then triple time..
That’s only for certain industries. I have only worked one job in my whole life in Australia where I was paid overtime or shift penalties.
Load More Replies...OSHA shows up. Portable fans are brought in that day. Place is much cooler. OSHA never talks to any of the workers. They just suck down all of the lies management tells them. They leave & the fans are removed.
Where is the health and safety officer/manager. How can an employee get 20 min break in 12 hours. What country is this?
Probably stretching but I hate when places tell you to come in for an interview for giving a wage estimate. Some situations it makes sense, but if you are running a local business offering people $7.25 US minimum wage whether they are 16 with no experience or the top of the field then you should state it and not waste people's time.
So many of the "no one wants to work" crowd are trying to offer less than McDonald's pays for positions that require years of experience, education, or training.
Especially when those jobs DO NOT actually require all that experience, education, or training. If they’re paying an ENTRY LEVEL salary, then the job shouldn’t have anything but the most basic requirements. That’s mostly being new to the field and/or a recent graduate from college, preferably in that major, or a related one. Because an entry level job is where you’re supposed to get the training and experience for a mid-level job in the field, or in a related field. If an employer wants mid- or upper-level qualified employees, they should f*****g well PAY mid- or upper-level salaries for them. M***********s.
Our (UK) Mac Donald's work force get a decent wage and perks too. They support staff that are in college and work around if brilliantly! Staff aren't pushed to the edge as they make sure you get the right amount of hours and time off, especially if you're taking exams. I'm sure someone will disagree or have had a different opinion. I'm going on my personal experience. Very good company to work for. It's quite different in the US. Again it's just what I read day in day out. You'd think they'd have the same systems in place across the world, but they don't. I know you can't have exactly the same systems, but many should have the basics.
Yeah, in the states it's all franchise owners so, individuals have their own way of managing. My daughter worked in one. They expected her to come in sick. her store was clean though. She worked at another shop for a day on loan and she said oh mom, you never want to eat there, it's filthy, they don't clean the machines or anything
Load More Replies...I once saw a job listing for a receptionist, someone to ANSWER THE PHONE, that require the person to have a Bachelors degree and it only paid $10 per hour.
My state was one of the first to require salaries be posted in jobs. So, jobs had a BS range of $50 - $150K DOE or, for national job boards, stated they would not accept candidates in my state.
Seeing this too. Huge salary range. I have done hiring. You have to be approved for a budgetted amount. Either they are lying about the upper amount or really looking to shaft someone on the lower.
Load More Replies...Here, in the USA, I've seen job postings for "PT receptionist, $10/hr, bookkeeping experience required, degree preferred?
I had to drag the salary out of the last recruiter I spoke to, when he finally told me, it was less than what I was on at the time. Thanks for wasting my time numbnuts.
I hate the " tell me what your range is question" . One, i need to know whole compensation. Big difference between 5 days ( sick and vacation ) and $6000 health care deductable and 4 weeks and $500 healthcare deductable. Two: i am NOT bidding for a job. You have the opening, you tell me.
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Unpaid training. My very first job I worked at a pizza place I "trained" for 2 weeks, never getting paid. At the end of the 2 weeks, I was informed that I would actually be a cook instead of the cashier position I applied and trained for. I left immediately.
And you have to sign an employment contract first, in which it is clearly stated how much you will earn and what are your responsibilities. There is no "You are hired, now get to work."
Load More Replies...You were trained? Most places just throw you into the mix without a clue and basically let you sink or swim. At nest, someone designated to “train” you will tell you to let them know what you need to know, then ignore you. Hey a*****e, I’m new here. I don’t know what I need to know yet. It’s YOUR job to tell me what I need to know, ffs!
Had this at a job. When i complained, the trainer said " i thought you were experienced". My reply: Gorden Ramsey is experienced but you need to tell him where you keep the salt and that the back burner on the stove runs hot before he starts to cook.
Load More Replies...Under the The Federal Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) this is illegal in USA. If an employer requires it, it must be paid. OP should sue for wages not paid.
What worker has lawyer money and can take time off for a lengthy lawsuit?
Load More Replies...I don't have student loan debt any longer. The reason is my internships were paid (early nineties).
I would never work for anyone for two weeks for free just to get the job. A good company to work for would never ask you to do that in the first place. I know there are some low paid internships where part of the 'pay' is the training / experience at a more advanced job - but a PIZZA SHOP? Yeah, NO.
" a good company" lets change that to " a company that follows the law.
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A consistent cycle of massive hiring / massive layoffs.
Needs context. Depends on the job / situation. For example one I have worked is oil refinery turn arounds. They hire a bunch of extra people when they shut down so they can get the work done quickly and get the plant back up in a few weeks. So - massive hiring / massive layoffs - but is isn't any surprise - you know that going in. Work long hours, get good pay - bail. Similar for some farming jobs in my area at harvest time. But again - it's not a secret.
If those jobs are already established as seasonal, or contracted for a specific amount of time, they’re not what’s being discussed here. We’re talking about applying for, and getting, a job that is supposed to be full time and permanent, so should be a paycheck employees can count on, but the company ends up laying off, then hiring, then laying off again—-though only lower level employees. Apparently, the “suits” are exempt from taking any hits, even salary decreases, when times are supposed to be so f*****g hard they have to lay off huge numbers of employees. What’s even more infuriating is when the company brags about records profits at the same time they lay people off because they “have to” cut the budget. To add insult to injury, the CEO and others in the executive suite are given huge bonuses as well—-paid for by stealing jobs from lower level employees by laying them off. Blood money. M***********s.
Load More Replies...A revolving door of new hires & then them resigning in just a few weeks.
Recruitment agencies in the UK who work with Amazon are *very* guilty of this, especially in the months leading up to Christmas.
boss giving you infinite amount of work and if you can't do it then it's the employee's fault.
Don’t forget that infinite amount of work is ALL a dire emergency that needs to be fixed and completed ten minutes ago! Because it was originally assigned to THEM to do, and they sat on it until the deadline was almost up. So they pass it to their employees to do for them ASAP, so they can put their name in it, hand it to their boss, and take all the credit—-and of course the raise, bonus, and promotion—-for it.
My last company was like this. The work was manageable when they hired me. Then the company started getting bigger. And bigger. And bigger. I went from subtle hints to blatant outcries of needing more help. I spent 10 years in that industry and had never been in a company that large without assistance. I left with nothing lined up. Less pay, but my new job in a new industry is so much less stressful.
My first director in my current company was like this. He emailed me and someone else about something after hours. Picked it up the next morning. He walks in asking if we had completed the thing he asked as "we have already had a day to work on it". Got into an argument. The other person was on my side of that disagreement
This is hopefully highly dependent on workplace culture. In my team if I’m asked to do work I can’t complete I tell my manager and we either work to reprioritise or redistribute work. That said I’ll still work a lot of unpaid overtime to get work done if needed.
Drug testing for what people do off the clock.
Tying job performance or bonuses to number of OSHA recordables, it just encourages people to hide injuries.
Maine is doing it right. If you drug test people here and disqualify them for cannabis use they are NO LONGER ALLOWED TO DO BUSINESS HERE. We mean that freedom stuff here.
Yes, but a DOT random test is a DOT random test. Feds aren't nearly so open minded
Load More Replies...Drug testing at jobs is so weird. When I was stacking boxes at a warehouse I got tested all the time. But now that I'm a teacher, they'll just give me 30 kids to take on a bus, leave the school grounds for an hour, take them to a swimming pool, and bring them back safely. The amount of responsibility is worlds apart. Yet the one where the worst consequence is that I drop a carton of Pepsi bottles is the one that requires me to pass a drug test
This. When govt ifficials were pushing drug test for food stamp recievers, someone asked if they would be willing to be tested too. The higher you go, the less accountable you are.
Load More Replies...Context people, the pharmacy I used several years back had a pharmacist that was cooking meth at home he had my meds screwed up. Thankfully his replacement caught it.
You've never had to work with someone who absolutely stinks from marijuana use. We have a temp in our office who reeks of it. She could at least smoke it then shower and get dressed for work.
I’ve never worked anywhere that had drug testing. Is it only certain industries in the US? What’s the rationale?
I agree that marijuana use should be excused. Its been proven that there are more benefits of marijuana use than disadvantages. But, I don't think I am going to hire someone who tests positive for several other drugs (without a prescription). Just because you are doing it off the clock doesn't mean its not going to effect you on the clock.
This is a good thing. Harm can occur for people with drug or alcohol in their system. Many drugs impose serious impairment for days....like weed, meth etc. In Australia anyone can be ordered to perform a roadside drug test. No reason needed. Fail and your license is gone. Then and there until you appear in court and then the term can be 3,6,12mth and longer. Licenses are a priveledge
Cannabis does not impare you for days. The problem with testing for it is it stays in your system for weeks or months because it binds to and stores in your fat cells. So they can't tell I'm the testing if you used it this morning, yesterday or last week. Depending on your size and the level that you use. It has so many actual health benefits that they are working on rescheduling it federally. In Washington state they passed a law that goes into effect in January that nearly all employers can't test you for it for pre-employment hiring any more. Nasty drugs like meth, coke and other opiods leave your system completely within 3 days su the testing is much more accurate for those.
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Not having places or times for women to pump
Not necessarily, some women pump and nurse for a couple of years.
Load More Replies...When I went back to work after my oldest. The whole office knew i pumped, didnt phase anyone, old hippy would stand at the lunchroom door and ask questions he needed answers for no biggie
In Australia it is a employer obligation to cater to this in the workplace etc
I was very, very fortunate that 19 years ago when my son was born my company had a new mother's room with recliners and a refrigerator, plus outlets so we could pump or nurse if our little one was visiting. Keys were handed out to new moms if they required pumping or nursing. We would return them after our child was done nursing. No sick people were allowed in there, there was another room for when you were not feeling well.
My command has multiple rooms like this; I've been in the newest one to clean, that room is NICE! It's got mood lighting and books to read and private stalls with comfy chairs, they even have a full bathroom and a fridge.
I thought you could do that before hand? Or do you have to do it periodically for some reason? Honestly don't know 🤔
Have to pump every few hours, or more often in certain cases.
Load More Replies...This feels again like mis-direction. Why exactly are we normalizing two income households? We are enslaving ourselves so a few greedy jerks can have more money. They literally are not paying us enough, to give up our lives this way.
Why exactly are you pretending a mysoginistic idea of family with a breadwinner and a housewife is better? A woman who makes herself dependent on a man for income is exposing herself to quite awful risks. Who wants to be unemployed with no work experience and two little kids to feed if the husband dies, is disabled or divorces you?
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Unpaid overtime is dying out again as we enter a Covid fuelled period of low unemployment - people are not afraid to say 'no'
If a client tried to get me to work unbillable hours I'd first refuse, and if they insisted would bill the hours on other days
they used to do this at my old job they did mandatory overtime you had to do at least 20 extra hours some months they also said one of the extra days had to be a weekend and to make it worse instead of paying us for it they gave us holiday instead
They said they'd pay us in "comp time" during the slower period. Slow period never came.
Load More Replies...If you want more work done, then bloody pay for it. And if it's over the number of normal hours worked then it's at time and a half, then after 4 hours double time. No excuses. Your emergency not really my problem.
What is accepted/normal is forcing an employee to stand for multiple hours, knowing that they have a documented medical condition that causes them severe pain to stand for hours without end. What is unethical/illegal in the next 50 years is that with the documented medical condition being known, the managers and supervisors flat out ignoring the ADA accommodation the employee applied for, asking for a short break/chair, and denying the accommodation so the employee has nothing to do but continue to stand in severe pain.
...and even if you don't have medical condition, standing/walking for hours on end will be hard on your back, so in order to create a good work environment you ought to eliminate it where possible. The alternative is unsatisfied workers that is less efficient, and the longterm consequense is that they will be worn down over time and need replacement, and then you get an extra recruitment process and training session to deal with. All of which will drain your company of resources that could have been spend wiser. Humans are not machines and you need to take their needs into considerations for things to work properly.
When I worked they loved to aggravate people's disabilities. I talked to people from another nearby US govt agency & they same thing went on there too. When ADA complaints were made, EEOC sided with management 93% of the time.
That was my experience as a junior in a legal firm. Scoliosis which made standing for long periods painful. My workstation had no chair. I asked for one and was told I should never have time to sit. I was 18 and didn’t know better but I should have stood up for myself.
You can’t do the job for any reason = you get fired. This is the US where there are no repercussions for firing employees who can’t do the job. This the purpose of companies like CONCENTRA who pretend to be concerned doctors but are actually doctors who screen employees so that companies know who may bring workers compensation claims in the future so that companies can fire them now.
Hopefully being forced to stay at work once all work is done, non living wages
I think if things like this happen then salaried employee positions will cease to exist as well.
Hopefully, it's nepotism, but I feel it will only get much worse.
Good luck with that. I doubt you can find a time in human history that didn't have folks hiring friends and relatives.
A time when it never happened? Sure you won't find that. A time when it happened less frequently and ppl though it a grave injustice, and has consequences for it, more so than today? Plenty of times Also nepotism isn't hiring friends and relatives. Its giving a massive unearned advantage to them. Its one thing to hire bob on a recommendation of his mom who works for you and quite another to put him as a manager when he has 0 experience, or hire him even though he has 0 qualifications
Load More Replies...This how many of us got our first jobs - our moms or dads were able to get us in at an entry level job as long as we had the required qualifications. This was back in the '60s.
From my own experiences in Amazon's GLA-1 facility in Scotland, I'd see this time and again. Full time permanent worker gets their son/daughter/niece/nephew a job and as soon as the training period was up the family member was *automatically* promoted to full time. No matter how good or bad they were at the job.
**"Clopening"** as it currently exists in the U.S.
As it stands currently OSHA suggests scheduling a person no sooner than 8 hours of their shift if the shift is 8 hours. Thankfully most companies do follow this suggestion. However, there are two problems 1) it's a suggestion and not law so some companies may schedule sooner 2) 8 hours sounds great, but it does not account for the fact that commute time back to home, cooking/eating/getting ready for bed, getting ready for the day and commuting back take up time that would be used for getting rest—you could very realistically end up with just 4 hours or rest due to a long commute, having to cook dinner, fulfill parental duties, etc.
I am single and I am retired now but when I was working I calculated that from the time I got up for work and the time I got home and able to relax it was about 11 half hours.
My husband has epilepsy, so he risks a seizure if he doesn't get proper sleep and if his medication schedule is messed up. His job is doesn't care and they sometimes schedule him to clopen. Thankfully they aren't open that late and don't open that morning, but why would a stock/receiving associate at a department store need to clopen? That's just poor scheduling...
This is the worst; I'm one of 3 people in my company that regularly gets scheduled these shifts. Two of them are young and think they're invincible (I can see the strain already) and then there's me. I actually had to go to war for those 8 hours and threaten to quit. Management will moan whenever they don't get at least 10 hrs between shifts, but they expect us to work with less than 6!
that was the first thing i loved about working under the union contract when i worked at disney. scheduled fewer than 8 hours apart between shifts? counts as a single shift for the purposes of overtime and overtime was for all hours over 8 in a shift. so if you worked 8 hours, then had another 8 hour shift with only 6 hours in between, the first shift was at regular time and the entire second shift was at time and a half. and because disney is cheap and didn't want to pay overtime, they were very careful about scheduling (at least in my area) to make sure everyone got 8 hours minimum between shifts and if they couldn't manage that due to being extremely busy, well at least we were compensated for the hassle.
When I was in the police we had a "quick changeover" each cycle, when we'd finish a run of lates (1400-2200) and start a run of earlies (0600-1400) next day, then there'd be days off followed by 7 nights (2200-0600), more days off, then back on lates. It's all different now!
Yeah and then they want to tell us that lapse in judgment doesn't happen riiiight
Load More Replies...About as soon as I bought my house, my work required me to go from 3 12s to 5 8s. My commute was suddenly 30 hours a week and work was 40 hours a week. I did that for a year before I pulled the plug. I don't know how people work 80 hour weeks. It's insane.
There is a Working Time Directive in the UK which dictates how many hours an employer can mandate their employee to work. Anything over that is on a voluntary basis and subject to paid overtime (for hourly paid employees). I believe there is part of that directive that states there must be at least an 11 hour gap between leaving work and starting their next shift.
Working in shops where the air can be seen because of all the diesel smoke/welding smoke etc.
I worked at Quality Name Plate in Glastonbury, CT a long time ago. The owner said he would close the shop if OSHA ever tried to inspect the place. There was one room that had open vats of nasty solvent with almost no ventilation. We had a degreasing station that was full of trichlorethylene. One day I came back from lunch to see the air in the metal warehouse filled with yellow paint because the exhaust fans in the paint room failed. The older people were dropping like flies. I was only there for 6 months and 2 guys who had been there for 20 years died from heart attacks. No regrets about quitting that place.
Rotating shifts and night shifts for less necessary positions. Obviously *some* staff has to be on call or work nights at least occasionally (LEO, healthcare, emergency response) but the average utility worker, for example, should not be required to work rotating shifts. My partner is a wastewater operator and at his previous employer he had to work two weeks of day shifts followed by 2-3 days off, then two weeks of night shifts. This lovely combination ended up giving him unprecedented, unprovoked seizures! (How fun.) His employer wouldn’t work with him to move him to more normal shifts. He went on temporary disability while he couldn’t drive, during which time they hired a replacement to fill his position, forcing him to quit and move to a different company for less pay (luckily on normal, 8-10 hour, day shifts.)
The rotating shifts suck. So do rotating weeks(days off) Can't schedule Drs. visits, etc
There needs to be night shifts, rotating them is the only fair way to do it. If you can't do shift work, you need to find a different job, that doesn't require shift work. Pretty simple.
Was he off for more than the 12 weeks of fmla? Because that should have protected him for a while!
Trying to make employees be friends to each other (to boost belonging feeling so we're less likely to go elsewhere for better opportunities). We're grown ups. Don't try to tell us with whom or how to interact with colleagues on our personal time. Personal time is not for the managers and employers to manage.
(had an employer try to pay us to hang with a specific colleague on our off time but we didn't like her as a person, we just tolerated her as a colleague)
(had another employer who tried to dictate : * who we speak to at the company Christmas supper; * whether or not I should have supper with my parents on a Saturday night because she wanted me to attend a voluntary social gathering of coworkers on that evening; * whether or not what we spend our time on during our off-time was "worthwhile" because we avoided social gatherings too much in her opinion)
Another one that comes close to slavery! UNIONIZE! You will be much stronger against your employers. UNIONIZE NOW!
yeah espically if you are an introvert, those "fun" company activities where you are forced to interact with your colleques on a personal level is really hard to get through. Leave people to choose their own comfort level when it comes to spending time socialising with their colloques.
Women get the coffee/do the staff dishes
My friend was in her break room when one of the bosses looked around. He looked at her and said "go ahead and clean this up". She walked over to something on the floor, squatted over it, then looked up. She said "sorry, it turns out that we DON'T clean up with our vaginas - we use our hands. YOU have hands too." She walked right to HR and filed a complaint.
Reaching out to people at night (or in general outside of work hours) for things that are non-emergency.
Not illegal, but it would be far outside of norm until emails/texts made this OK somehow.
Actually, it is illegal in some countries. You are not permitted to contact employees outside of working hours. Can't just remember which European country enacted this.
I *think* the exception is that you can contact them for things like telling them the office will be closed due to the water being cut off as an example
Load More Replies...My opinion about emails and texts is that it is something that you would like an answer for, but it does not have to be right now. Hence you can send them at any time when it it fits into your schedule, but have to accept that you will only get a response when it is convenient for the recipient to do so. If you need to communicate with me right away, give me a call. Sending a text, and then a follow up text five min later when you haven't gotten any response is just rude.
The last company I was at would do forced overtime with no notice and would occasionally do 7 days a week 12 hour days. In my area there's a law that you can't force 7 days in a week and at morning meetings they flat out would tell you that they will pay the fine for breaking that law if needed and that if you don't make it in, they will let you go
People of the USA: UNIONIZE, UNIONIZE NOW! Don't let anybody tell you unions are 'of the devil', you need unions now. Right now you are treated as slaves. UNIONIZE. Stop being lambs led to the slaughter. UNIONIZE!
The problem with that is that employers, of course, hate unions. So they make trouble for/squeeze out/even fire anyone they find out is making union noises. Oh, they're not supposed to. Our right to unionize is protected by law. But, just like everything else, they find "legit" reasons to hide behind. And most of us cannot afford to lose our job. They have us under their thumbs, and they know it, and we know it. It really sucks. Our country is so broken.
Load More Replies......and that is when you sue them for threatening you or unjust termination if they follow through. Unions are made exactly for dealing with this kind of stuff.
Same. Another BP post that supposes what's true in USA is representative globally.
Load More Replies...So many of these simply serve to highlight how backward the USA is in terms of workers' rights. Most of us from Europe look at these in wonderment thinking "why would anyone put up with this?".
Because a lot of us don't have a choice. We need money to survive, and that mean finding the work we can. Suing for the legality of the conditions takes money that most of us don't have and have no guarantee of winning in whichever settlement.its a wonderful case of the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Load More Replies...Most developed countries tackled most of these problems long ago.
Most government offices are short staffed and under funded, so things don't get looked into unless someone files a complaint or at least calls.
Load More Replies...These are all and pretty much only apply to the USA: you know, "The land of the free" (?)
As in "If I have money and make people believe me I am free to force everyone else to do what I want."
Load More Replies...Always shocking to read about the US standards. How did it come to this? Nobody protesting?
If you're a political conservative, gubmint regulation is bad.
Load More Replies...I worked at my local VA & knew people who worked for SSA & USPS. Many of these practices were common in these federal agencies. I tend to believe these issues are more of a local issue & not all over. We are known for being "corruption county".
Same. Another BP post that supposes what's true in USA is representative globally.
Load More Replies...So many of these simply serve to highlight how backward the USA is in terms of workers' rights. Most of us from Europe look at these in wonderment thinking "why would anyone put up with this?".
Because a lot of us don't have a choice. We need money to survive, and that mean finding the work we can. Suing for the legality of the conditions takes money that most of us don't have and have no guarantee of winning in whichever settlement.its a wonderful case of the rich stay rich and the poor get poorer.
Load More Replies...Most developed countries tackled most of these problems long ago.
Most government offices are short staffed and under funded, so things don't get looked into unless someone files a complaint or at least calls.
Load More Replies...These are all and pretty much only apply to the USA: you know, "The land of the free" (?)
As in "If I have money and make people believe me I am free to force everyone else to do what I want."
Load More Replies...Always shocking to read about the US standards. How did it come to this? Nobody protesting?
If you're a political conservative, gubmint regulation is bad.
Load More Replies...I worked at my local VA & knew people who worked for SSA & USPS. Many of these practices were common in these federal agencies. I tend to believe these issues are more of a local issue & not all over. We are known for being "corruption county".
