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While more and more people are now opting to stay childfree, some still find it hard to understand this conscious decision. Things become even more complicated when it comes to aiming for a healthy work-life balance. You see, managers or coworkers can suddenly decide that people without kids have plenty of time on their hands to cover the less-desired shifts and work during holidays or other important events.

And this viral Twitter thread illustrates it all too well. Therapist, bestselling author and relationship expert Nedra Tawwab recently tweeted, "I don’t know who needs to hear this, but: Being childfree doesn't mean being more available," and it deeply resonated with a lot of users.

Hundreds chimed in on how their bosses or colleagues show little respect for their personal life choices. Bored Panda has collected some of the most illuminating answers frustrated workers had to share, so check them out right below. Make sure to upvote the ones you agree with and, if you have any similar stories to share, tell us about them in the comments!

Recently, Nedra Tawwab’s tweet about the struggles childfree people face at work struck a chord with many users, inspiring them to share their own experiences

Image credits: NedraTawwab

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Johane Moller
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My cats have human names. Eugene & Boris. According to my company I have a 3year old and a 5 year old child. They don't have to know they're felines. They are still my children

Aisling Raye
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have the same. Two cats, both have "human" names (that line seems to have become so much more blurred lately that I don't even think you have to try hard to have pets with people names as so many people have gone to kids with pet names but that's a whole other thread on here lol) Back on topic, coworkers know I have a 5y/o and a 3y/o. I've just never corrected them when they assume they aren't human children.

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Kelzbelz79
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can't deny it was a clever move on his part.

Becky Olsen
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We live in a stupid world that is not fair and worse for so many people. Lying, not telling everyone everything, etc. is a great way to make it fair in this kind of circumstance. It’s not illegal nor immoral in this circumstance. Just because someone chooses to have children does not make it everyone else’s responsibility. Kudos to those who know how to make it fair for themselves.

Marianne
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can only do that as a guy. Because employers often don't choose mothers for a job, so inventing children is a bad idea.

ZombieGirl
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would always say I was primary care taker for a sick aunt. No one ever asked questions

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Crystal Lamas
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is actually funny. I have 4 children and sometimes wish they were imaginary. 😆 Parents understand my perspective. The double standards for parents/non parents in our society really do suck. Sorry you actually had to create imaginary children to get time off

Ellen Larkin
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That doesn't really make him legendary because he could make up having a kid as long as he's not claiming that child on taxes then it's no big deal

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    Keo M
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Its awful that some people use their kids as excuses instead of treating them as human beings.

    Tara Robinett
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Especially since his wife probably did all of the childcare anyway!!

    Donna Creekmore
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dogs are my children. I wouldn't dream of leaving them with a stranger any more than someone with human children would take off and leave them with a stranger. Good answer! What an a*****e.

    Pauline
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my last two companies I was asked to relocate to a different country/continent with two weeks notice because I’m single and with no kids with the phrase “ it’s easy for you, you can just pack your bags and move”. No Pam, I can’t just pack my bags and move countries in 2 weeks, I have rent, contracts & other obligations. Also got denied relocation assistance and bonus because again “ you don’t have to move with kids, so it’s easy”. Sure packed my suitcases and found a better job in that country 😂

    Teri Gates
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where I used to work we had to take call to cover weekends, holidays. I would get aggravated when someone suggested the single person cover Mother's Day because she had no children. Maybe no children, but she does have a mother. Must be fun in their own little world.

    voice of reason
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's awful that employers use lack of children as an excuse for piling on extra work. Just because you don't have children doesn't mean you don't have responsibilities.

    Anonymous
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Needing to take care of children is a perfectly valid reason to have fewer work hours, but some people abuse it very easily.

    Lora Simpson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My aunt pays $25 for a day to go take care of my dad or if town each week. It's almost easier to get a babysitter than a pet sitter...

    Fancy that
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once heard something about a village?

    Nedra Tawwab, who is also the author of Set Boundaries Find Peace: A Guide to Reclaiming Yourself told BuzzFeed, "People without children have become burnt out, especially during the pandemic, as they've been expected to do more. The perception is that when you don't have children, you have more time available and can therefore offer others more support."

    "People must advocate for free time and challenge the expectation that they must be more flexible," she added. "It seems like a punishment to have more expected of you because you don't have children. All humans have a specific capacity to operate effectively — demanding more of people when their capacity is full doesn't increase productivity; it decreases it."

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    phil blanque
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People who have children do it with choice. Even if a child is "unexpected"....come on...you knew the biology and the risks. So just live with your choice, and do not expect ANYONE to step in and make your life easier. It was YOUR choice....embrace it...and shut up.

    Jeanine Kitrell
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unless of course your child is a result of rape. NOT ALL UNEXPECTED CHILDREN COME FROM Consensual sexual intercourse. Too many women are raped and the rape results in pregnancy. We just refuse to talk about the reality. of date rape and even rape within marriage.

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    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your "commitment" can be to yourself, and you're entitled to use your free time any way you like.

    Enlee Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So….I’m supposed to rearrange my life because you chose to have kids. LOL NOPE

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I made a commitment when I promised myself that I wouldn't take any dumb work requests

    Celtic Pirate Queen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This! In refusing an invitation I simply say, "Thank you for thinking of me, but I have other plans" The fact those plans are me laying around in my jammies watching Netflix is nobody's business.

    LynzCatastrophe
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know. I made a choice not to have kids, just like you made a choice to have them. I'm not going to explain or justify what I do with my spare time, only that I am entitled to it and it doesn't belong to anyone.

    Mike Loux
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Q: "And what are you doing that is so important that you can't work?" A: "Not working."

    AMaureen Dance
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Isn't a rest a commitment you make to yourself? Well, it should be.

    Bexx 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We have multiple employees with kids. One employee is constantly late, absent at least one day a week, blames it on “well I have kids so I can’t be held to deadlines!” While the majority of our management has 2-8 year old kids and still makes their commitments. Parenthood sounds hard and I don’t know what to make of it. I’d sympathize with her but idk.

    Pizzagirl 91
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've got one-year-old twins, and I've never been late because of them - I've been sick much more than usual since they started daycare, but since I live on max. 6 hours of sleep, and there's a pandemic, that's kind of to be expected... Lateness usually comes from lack of planning or lack of consideration, rarely from circumstances.

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    Fancy that
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    About that village...

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    Id row
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why other people are expected to suffer because someone else didn't use birth control is really outrageous. It should be illegal for businesses to do that.

    David Martin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They asked, you said no. Why is that news?

    Cathie Reposa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a 63 year old Gramma who's raising her 12 1/2 year old Grandson. And have been all of his life. So his Dad figured it was OK to have 2 more with another woman! My Grandsons mom is a real loser. I get no appreciation from them @all. I love my Grandson to death but I am going broke w no help from parents. My time is not my own. I buy all his clothing deal with his schooling and try to make him happy. His mom talks bad about me to him all the time and tried to kick in my door on Mother's day! She has 4 kids and lost custody of all of them. No one seems to realize how tired I get, or care, except maybe my Grandson. Still, I push through. I do it for him, I don't think people realize the commitment that takes for someone my age.

    Heather George
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I absolutely do and kudos to you. My Dad and stepmother (early 70's) are raising my stepmother's great-grandaughters ages 14 & 6. I live halfway across the country and so I'm not there to help. I'm not sure how they do it.

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    JR Zdravich
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    During the absolute busiest time of year I had to work extra hours for a co-worker whose child had a poison ivy rash. The day care center would not let her bring the child to the facility as long as the rash was present. It was 2 weeks of very long exhausting and stressful days without any added compensation.

    LynzCatastrophe
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly this. I'm also always curious as to how accurate this is when people use their kids as an excuse. I'm not saying every single parent is like this, but do you actually spend time with your kids/family, or was it an excuse just to get out by work?

    Fancy that
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like this is all the same complaint so far. About that village? As for the rest of this.... No thanks.

    Mahogany Eclipse
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I always felt guilty about this sort of thing (being guilt tripped, etc.) glad I wasn't the only one

    Bored Panda was curious to learn more about why the decision not to have children is often a stigmatized one, so we reached out to Erin Spurling, founder of Curiously Childfree. "I think it stems from having children being seen as 'the norm' for so long, it’s then hard for people to understand something different to that," she told us.

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    This is partly why she set up this childfree space, which you can also find under the handle @curiouslychildfree on Instagram. Spurling wishes that people could speak more openly about this choice and help others understand and be more accepting.

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    The decision not to parent is sometimes hard to grasp for people who see kids as a crucial part of having a fulfilled family. "A very prescriptive view of life has been presented for such a long time," she explained. "Life is typically seen as — grow up, get married, buy a house, have children. Lots of people don’t consider something outside of that norm."

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    Dre Mosley
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly. Parents don't have a monopoly on being tired.

    Hazel Sage
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My rheumatologist told me, after my multiple chronic illness diagnoses, that my body is functioning on the amount of energy that a healthy person has after being awake and active for 72 hours straight. My case is an extreme example, but there are soooo many reasons that someone might be exhausted.

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    K Miller
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like I can't say to one of my coworkers that I'm tired anymore. They're all like 'try having four kids'... like ffs I can be tired too. I feel bad sometimes for thinking it but it's like, no one forced you to have that many kids - we live in Canada...

    ButterflyMcQueen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Man, screw those people! I never used that BS when my kid was young. They don't know what's going on in your life! You might be caring for your elderly parents, doing charity work, or moonlighting as Batman during the wee hours of the night for all they know. It's not anyone's business how you spend YOUR free time! You go on and be tired honey ❤

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    Braineating Spleen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's. Why. I. Choose. To. Not. Have. Children. STEPHANY! I didn't get you pregnant.

    Kyria Denton
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People are competitive in the oddest ways. As a teenager with an undiagnosed chronic illness I was always told I would understand tiredness when... Some arbitrary finish line was reached. Now as I approach 40 some still say wait till you hit...as if my lived experience isn't valid yet. I want to ask are you being competitive or are you worried your experience is going unnoticed?

    Mamie Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get that. For most of my life, I've been consistently tired, with aches and pains for no reason. Doctors would say, "growing pains". Turns out I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and Psoriatic Arthritis the whole time, and am now disabled. I have to use a cane. But I still get people saying, "you're too young to be tired!", "You're too young to have so many problems" "you're too young to use a cane".... People upset me. Lol

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    Enlee Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m sick of people gatekeeping who is and isn’t allowed to be tired.

    LittleLiz
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also. Yeah. I'm maybe not as tired as you. I didn't have kids because I didn't want to be that tired. It's like if I complain about a headache and then someone shoots themselves in the leg so they can tell me I don't know real pain. Parents did it to themselves

    SirDigbyChickenCaesar
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seriously, non parents and people with grown children are getting run ragged at work because the people with young children take off work all the time. We Are ALL tired, not just the parents.

    Dawn Duckworth
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As someone with multiple illnesses, I most certainly do, and you can kiss my ass.

    Jaycee Delarosa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    U can be tired but u can also go to bed whenever the f**k u want bc u don't have to make sure a toddler doesn't end himself at 4am

    Jona Denz-Hamilton
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol...well I can tell you that getting 3 or 4 hours of sleep to get my work done, regularly, and being over 65, is way easier than tending to a newborn who can't sleep more than 40 to 90 minutes at a time. We were zombies for a year+

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    Jes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your boss is a banker but with a 'w' instead of a 'b' at the beginning

    Rebecca Heathcote
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was told "but you dont have a family" many times throughout all the Christmas shifts and bank holidays. I kept thanking my colleagues for reminding me that I was created in a test tube in a lab!

    JR Zdravich
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A co-worker with children once told me that she deservered more time off than me because I did not have as many responsibilities as she did.

    Stephanie Roof
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a co-worker who insisted on having every holiday off since she had children. The company just rolled over and gave her to her. She ended up messaging our boss on Facebook to quit.

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    SirDigbyChickenCaesar
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our boss is salaried and works about 20-25 hrs a week, refuses to work doubles, goes out of town almost every month or two to visit family. I work full time with multiple double shifts, and haven't been able to travel to see my family in almost 3 years. My kids are grown, but I am a part time caregiver for a terminally ill friend and have a second part time job. I'm....so tired.

    GPZ
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like you had a good manager, boss not so much

    Mike Loux
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good that your manager had your back.

    Asia Dąbrowska
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always say that he/she already has a family and You need the time to build Your own too...

    tori Ohno
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Family is who you choose, not who you give birth to in order to overpopulate the planet. Discrimination goes both ways. If a boss can't discriminate against you for being pregnant, they can't discriminate for the opposite. It's actually been passed into law in the USA. Parents need to get a clue. And what if the person they're trying to stomp on wants kids, but is infertile? That's just more than cruel.

    Dee
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    3 years ago (edited)

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    I would think the people who have kids NEED to work overtime to pay for their kids. I choose not to have them because THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. My job has "mandatory" overtime for everyone--unless you complain that you need to get off on time for your child.

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    voice of reason
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Boundaries are exceptionally important. As a single woman I set boundaries that I follow. I don't need a husband or children to have personal boundaries. Please respect me!

    Cass Malone
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not everyone MADE the choice to have kids. That whole trope needs to end. Especially with the government trying to control our bodies

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    Spurling also added that non-parents are a minority, so those who have little or no interaction with childfree people can jump to conclusions or go along with stereotypes. "It’s often assumed we all choose this way of life because we’re selfish but that’s often far from the truth, and there are so many reasons."

    Pew Research Center conducted a survey that found there’s a rising share of Americans who say they are unlikely to ever have kids. More than half (56%) of childless adults younger than 50 said they simply don’t want to have them. Non-parents who have other reasons stated it’s due to medical reasons (19%), financial reasons (17%), and because they do not have a partner (15%).

    Around one in ten pointed out their age or their partner’s age (10%) or the state of the world (9%) is their main motivation to remain childfree, and 5% cite environmental concerns, including climate change.

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    Dina Anastasakos
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why didn't you just say No? We all have family, whether we have kids or not.

    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree totally. However, I think a lot of this boils down to employers abusing their power and manipulation too. I guess if you need the job and it's in some places in the world (US) you comply to not be fired.

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    Patricia Remick
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Nurse, we did have to work some holidays. I usually worked Christmas. One year I requested it off and was told by Staffing that I didn't need it off "because you don't have children ". I wish I had grabbed HR and hauled them into Staffing and asked her to repeat that statement.

    JR Zdravich
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was told at ine job that I had to be the one to work late when needed because the other women had children and I didn't. It didn't matter that I was married and had animals.

    GPZ
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s a family day? You still have family even if you don’t have kids and especially sucked being your birthday too

    Mahogany Eclipse
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, thay was a rotten assumption on Geraldine's part

    tori Ohno
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't show up. Right now everybody is hiring, if you're fired they have to pay your unemployment. Why? Illegal termination. They told you that you had to work because of a discriminatory reason. The reason? You don't have kids. That's the same as refusing to hire a mother because she might have to leave because of a sick kid. No difference, just opposites. Breeders just need to realize that it was their Choice, the rest of us shouldn't have to sacrifice for that choice. They're the ones that should sacrifice.

    Pjerrot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Before I had My son, summer holliday was allways in September🤨 Cause I didn’t have Kids🙈Last one everytime 👍

    BreakAway Seoul
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I work at a store that's open on Christmas. I flat out tell them I won't work Christmas. It doesn't matter that I don't have children. I have an adopted sister 27 years younger than myself and siblings that I only get to see a few times a year. I'm not working so people can be assholes and blame me for inability to plan ahead.

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    Pjerrot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why did she have 2 kids if it’s SO HARD??!!!

    Kiryn Silverwing
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I stopped at one precisely because I know I can't handle having two.

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    Terri Landry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having kids presents challenges that are different from those who don't have kids face. That said, I want to point out that I said DIFFERENT, not more or less, just not the same. I chose to have children and I did need extra time off on occasion, but I tried to make it a trade off. I need x, but what can I do at another time to give you a longer weekend or an early leave on Friday, etc... I had my needs, but I tried hard to be respectful of the fact that other people have needs too.

    Denise Painter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one minds kind people like you. It's the one that somehow think having a kid means you can dump your work on someone else. I worked in an office with six women and was the only childless person there. I had to have a prayer meeting with these women and finally just refused to do their work at all, at which point I wasn't a team player. They never covered my job when I was off, and would often call me at home when I did have a day off. People who have kids should not expect their coworkers to pick up their slack without compensating.

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    Moezzzz
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, Bc she chose to spit out kids, everyone else should cater to their demands?? Nope! I have 2 of my own and I CHOSE to have them. No one owes me a THING! You ASK. If it's a no, then you deal with it and don't blame or make anyone feel bad Bc they don't have kids. Also, animals are our kids too!! They're a responsibility just like a child!

    AndyP
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually society does owe you a debt for creating new workers. That's the thing, without children existing those who are child free will suffer with the lack of workers in the future. You choose to have kids, true. But those who don't choose it also have a responsibility to assure for the safety and well-being of those kids exactly because when they can no longer work they'll still need care, food, electricity, etc..

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    Michael Largey
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Every day without your big sister is a vacation for you.

    LittleLiz
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Next time, ask her "oh my God your poor kids! You really hate them that much? Well... I guess I could adopt them if nobody else will. I'll need child support though."

    Dobs Place
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Next time she gives you one of those comments, tell her she should put her kids up for adoption if she's so jealous of your life. That should shut her up!

    Id row
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people like feeling like a martyr.

    Sarah Reurekas
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Damn, do we have the same big sister 🤣😩

    Upstaged75
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yup. I just commented about my brother on another post. Whenever I'm around he expects me to pick up after his kids because "he has to do it every day". Our family goes on vacation together every year and he seems to forget it's MY vacation too. I love my niece and nephew and I honestly don't mind helping - but my mom and I should not have to clean up after a grown man because he thinks he's entitled to special treatment. Who does he think raised him? He should be waiting on her! And he gets very defensive when I try to talk to him about it. Little punk.

    Wednesday
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Look... Me and my husband have 5 between us, all grown now thankfully. But, People without kids get tired, they're busy, they have family, whether it be their critters, their partners, or just parents, sibs, and other relatives. We childed folk do not have a monopoly on 'free' time (not that we've had any for the part 30 years...).

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    June
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people choose to be childfree, period.

    peruchipac
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you. I popped in to say this. I chose to not have kids. Period. No reason, just don't want them.

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    PixieVonBehr
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people didn't have the best childhood and had to look after their parents and adulthood is now their opportunity to live life for themselves.

    Amanda Reicha
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I never wanted kids and I knew from a very young age. As I got older, I also made the decision to never pass on my medical ailments to a child, as it's genetic

    Bored Turtle Princess
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same. My mother and father both have asthma, and it passed onto me, along with a thousand other diseases since when I was born. My maternal grandfather has asthma and passed it onto my mom, my paternal grandmother passed it onto her eldest two children, including my father. Although I just don't want children and know I'm not suitable to handle children, this is the primary "reason" I give to the very old members of my family when they ask me why I don't want children. Edit: I'm not sure if passed onto is the correct phrase to use here, if it's wrong ,please correct me.

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    Dawn Duckworth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some of us can't have children (medically) but thanks for reminding me of the family I want but can't have yet again. "You don't have kids"... "Yeah, because I physically can't carry a kid with my health issues, and even if I did, I'm not cursing a child to these messed up genetics, which I I herited."... "Oh, um, well..."

    Kate Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There shouldn't be a tax for being single or childfree, no matter what the reason. I shouldn't be treated differently or, in a lot of cases, worse. Especially as a woman--I can't speak to how men feel about this but women are looked down upon in such a horrible way if they're are single and childless after 40. Like you are some pathetic, poor soul who has nothing else going on in her life. It's the old maid and cat lady stereotype. I feel like guys get to be bachelors and it's not as 'pathetic' to people. So if a guy is single an employer might not ask him to work because he assumes a single guy has more going on on the weekend than poor, single Jane Doe. And he's less worried about getting a 'no' from a woman.

    Kassiopeia
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people aren't able to get children

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "you shouldn't be tired. You don't have kids." Me: "I don't have kids because I'm chronically ill and could have problems if I subject myself to a pregnancy. I'm not taking your shift because I'm chronically ill and this is literally the longest I can be awake without feeling like I'm about to explode."

    Jennifer Vinson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am 38 & no able to have bio kids of my own. I'd LOVE to have one but, I leave it up to The Man upstairs if it's in the cards for me. With saying that, I've had plenty of jobs call me out for covering shifts because I'm child free. I tell them too dang bad.Just because I don't have kids doesn't mean I don't have pets & family or friends I enjoy spending my time with!! I've been threatened that if I did come in when they asked on my day off because a girl didn't have a babysitter, Then I wouldn't have a job. I told them go for it because I'll have an attorney by the end of the day.. Never heard another word of coming in when I'm not scheduled lol

    Laura Brown
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People should be mature enough to be honest with others and themselves about not wanting children, and nobody should be judged for that decision. EVER. Being a parent is difficult and also rewarding but it's a commitment, and there's nothing abnormal about not wanting that responsibility.

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    Pjerrot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stupidity & Heads Up in Own Ass’!!!

    Leslie Crittenden
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's no need to be rude about it. This culture doesn't support any kind of home/personal life, kids or no kids.

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    Dawn Duckworth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS!!! I have autoimmune disorders and inherited messed up genetics in regards to my reproductive system. I want kids, but can't have kids, and you don't pay enough to afford to adopt.

    Sean Davie
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not that anyone needs an excuse of ANY kind to explain why they're child free. No one needs an excuse as to why they HAD kids, after all...

    Michiel Lassche
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    THIS! This is what happens when you've got an (in my case, at least) invisible disease. Nobody can actually compare their situation to anyone else's, but it's so easy for people to judge.

    Moezzzz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    MS is a very painful disease. Sometimes you NEED to rest and it's not YOUR responsibility to cover for someone just Bc they have kids. If they're sick (the kids), I get it, but if you physically and mentally can't, move on to the next employee!!

    Laura Brown
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a bunch of dumbasses...they'll never understand until they're burdened with a chronic disease...I have degenerative bone and nerve disease and I hate being told it can't be that bad...how the f**k would you know??

    Naomi Anderson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I understand the frustration with this. I had two cancers and have arthritis on top. I want kids but I do not have the energy anymore.

    Tom More
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My dad was diagnosed with MS when I was six and he was the best dad he could be. Even though he could never remember anything minor (like our birthdays)and was always in pain, he still tried his best

    Aballi
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Similar. I didn't have kids even though I love them because of my severe clinical depression. Fortunately I've never had to deal with anyone trying to take advantage of me because I'm childless, but man...I love my nieces and nephews so so much, but they're also a reminder of something I would so love to have and can't.

    Mamie Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Same, But with Ankylosing Spondylitis and Psoriatic Arthritis

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    The founder of Curiously Childfree told Bored Panda childfree people might also be reluctant to talk about their life choices because of the harsh critique they so often receive. "The lack of conversation about it means there are fewer opportunities for people to learn and understand," she said.

    People without kids face double standards at work because they are generally viewed as having more time, no commitments, no responsibilities, and lots of flexibility, Spurling argued. "But there is also an attitude that caring for children is more important than anything a childfree person might be involved with in their life, which can be frustrating. It can make you feel like you’re not valued, your time isn’t important and your choices aren’t respected."

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    #12

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    Nikki Sevven
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is ridiculous! Other people are not required to sacrifice because you have kids and they don't. WTF? This is like saying I can't have a cookie because you're on a diet. Sod off and tend to your own knitting.

    Eris Kallisti
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    American here. "Sod off and tend to your own knitting" is about to replace "mind your own business" in my vocabulary 💜

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    Kate Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They used to give this excuse to not pay women more than men because 'men have a family to support'. So I call BS. You don't know if someone has student loans, hospital bills, helping family members, etc. In some cases, I'd like to see the expenses, too. I'm generalizing here, but parents spend a lot of money on BS for their kids. I've seen 2-month-olds with $50 Timberland boots. I've seen babies who have more clothes than I do and they're going to grow out of them in a month. And the toys that are bought for a child are so crazy. Anyone telling me to lower my prices would get 'make better choices with your money' right back at them.

    Denise Painter
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Walmart did that to my Mom. She was a co-manager in her 50s w/a guy in his 30s. They would get the schedule & this guy go to the office & start switching it around because "He's a Dad." He refused to work Sundays for religious reasons. My Mom heard about his family a lot, every time he took her days off or switched her hours or TOOK her hours, well, you are single & your children are grown. After 6 straight months of working every weekend, working nights, having to come in at the last minute because he switched her time (management approved this) Mom did two things. She joined & attended a few times a Seventh Day Adventist church. Sent them $10 a month after that to the day she died. So she had to have Saturdays off. Then, she told her doc she was having a little trouble seeing at night, which was true, & mentioned she had a 45 minute commute, often late at night. Doc writes a letter saying she can only work days. Poor unhappy family man. Happy Mom.

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    Joseph Kastorff
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You see this a lot on OfferUp and craigslist. "Can you lower the price / give it away for free because it's for my kid/" crap. Tough sh*t, your kid is not my financial problem.

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell them "I'm trying to save up money so I can afford to have a family some day. I hear it's expensive!"

    Jes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As funny as it is it is totally plausible and cannot be argued with. Brilliant

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    Id row
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This line is used in so many of the posts on r/choosingbeggars - "I'm a single mom, you should give it to me for free! I DESERVE THIS!" gtfoh These are the type of garbage people who shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

    Milady Blue
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, because the folks who send me bills are SOO much more lenient with me than they are with FAMILIES. /s

    Nakea McCrae Tatum
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You still have to eat. What does having kids have to do with charging what you feel is appropriate for your services? If they can't afford you they need to find someone that they can.

    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When they call back double say the price has just increased

    Mahogany Eclipse
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats the biggest asanine assumption I've heard yet. I was told this very thing because I'm a woman and 'don't have a family to support' and the male co workers did so they were paid an extra dollar over their female co workers. Still boils my blood 20 years later.

    Eliza May
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, wait - with THAT logic the guy with 8 kids should get paid more than the guy with 6, and the married lady with 4 should get paid more than the single dad with 3? What about the child supporting two disabled elderly parents, or a brother who can't find work with HIS 2 year old? Wages are NOT based on having to support others, they are based on THE WORK DONE. Anyone that thinks otherwise is using the same S**T reasoning that men have used to pay women less for, like, ever - well I HAVE A FAMILY TO SUPPORT little lady, go get married, get back in the kitchen & let a man support you!

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    Amanda Reicha
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't work, so I "have more free time" than my sister. I don't work because I'm disabled mom and dad :/

    clairelise@pacific.net
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While mom was sick (brain tumor) I was the only one who was there for her. I was at the beginning of a long and messy divorce, but older brother had finally gotten a teenager off of WoW to have sex with him more than once so he "had more important things to do in life" fast forward to mom recovering, older brother moves child bride across the country and they move in across the street from mom, who lovingly tells me, "he's always been the one to take care of me in times of need." So even if you are expected to be the one to care for your dying mom, don't do it: everyone is going to say you didn't do it anyway.

    Tweed Jefferson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Totally! I'm the only single, child-free of four and my parents lavish my siblings with gifts and money because "they have a family". It's a thinly veiled attempt to get me to do the same (obsession with dozens of grandkids perplexes me). But when it comes down to changing plans to accommodate, I'm always expected to be the one to do it because I don't have kids or in-laws, etc. I stopped going to holidays entirely

    Maggie Hood
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Having to take care of your spouse is so weird to me. If you're both adults then you're partners, not a caretaker to them (unless they are special needs or sick but those are the only reasons I can think of)

    Leodavinci
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell mom you expect her will to reflect the consideration you're giving her. Unfortunately, knowing parents like this, odds are likely the will already has some extra consideration... for the other siblings because they have "spouses to take care of".

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No I'm up to my gills because I don't have a spouse to take care of me.

    Jeanine Kitrell
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You read my mind!! You know my experience. Why don't others understand this concept!?

    Mahogany Eclipse
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Asking favors is one thing, demanding is another.

    GreenEyesInfinity
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If it makes.tou happy, then fine. But otherwise, only do ever fourth favor. Tell her it's not your turn.

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    Kate Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There was a AITA post on here months ago about a guy who's sister would constantly volunteer his services for babysitting her kids. This particular time was because she had a hair appointment. He flat out told her no and she ended up just showing up at his house with the kids and he saw her coming and literally hid. She then texted him how rude and inconsiderate he was and it caused this big problem in his family. It's was so entitled and ridiculous and I just don't understand why being childless means you are automatically someone's babysitter as if your time means nothing? Especially when you aren't getting paid!

    Csilla Kaszas
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually, it was the brother who ordered OP to take care of his family while he was abroad (military, if I remember correctly) -and sister-in-law who wanted to drop the baby off on a short notice. But yeah, the entitlement was strong with those ones.

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    clairelise@pacific.net
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "You don't have to ask me to babysit, she's my niece!" --Absolute Saint "I don't have to ask you to babysit, she's your niece!" --Horrible Excuse for a human being

    Chris O'Quinn
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one EVER asks me to babysit their kids because quite frankly I'm not a caregiver. I chose to not have children and avoiding pregnancy was not difficult.

    Id row
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "But I'm doing you a favor by dropping them off so you can have bonding time! You should be thanking me!"

    Kate Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In a strange way, it almost reminds me of social influencers who ask for free stuff in exchange for being promoted on their pages. It's this crazy, entitled expectation that they don't deserve. You aren't doing anyone a favor, get over yourself. Unless you're a Kardashian with that kind of money and 'influence' - you're request for free services is just rude. And even then, I'm probably not interested. I am not 'lucky' to be able to watch your children. I don't even want the money, I want you not to be here.

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    AgedViolet
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My older sister single handedly raised her three children (kids' fathers were as deadbeat as they come). I helped take care of the oldest while she had to be at work at 6AM several miles away. Did I mention that at the time I was doing in-home daycare for another family? My sister NEVER dumped her kids off on anyone. If anything, others did that to her. My kid sister was another story. Many's the time my older sister and I were late to work because she left my niece with us and took her time getting back. (This was before cellphones.)

    Upstaged75
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I absolutely adore my niece and nephew and am always happy to help with them, but it's not cool to just quit being a parent because you assume I'm going to watch them.

    LynzCatastrophe
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My sisters first words to me when she found out I was moving back to our hometown: "fantastic! You can babysit your nephew!" Did not like it when I told her no. I love that kid and will happily spend time with him as I have pledged to be the crazy Auntie who is a bad influence (bought a 3 year a set of drums for his birthday), but I'm not an automatic babysitter. I need to be asked, in advance, and you need to accept it without arguments when I say no. And also accept that I'm not giving a reason. Again, I love that kid, but looking after one is not my Forte.

    Annett Nyrud
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This reminds me of the AITA post where a woman had the opposite opinion. She wanted her brother to understand that he was an uncle now and had to step up and take his part of the responsibility 😥 It was her kid. Its existense was not his fault and taking care of the child should not be his responsibility in any way. But she saw it another way 😂 Reminds me of a cousin I am no longer in contact with.

    Samantha Bennison
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you aren't auntie, someone else will be. Get your priorities in order

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    Recently, Spurling stumbled upon a job ad that stated parents got an extra week’s annual leave every year. "That could be hard to accept as a childfree person, but I would argue it might be even harder for a childless person who very much wanted to have children but then couldn’t, and now they find themselves covering the extra workload of those lucky enough to have been successful in their choice to have children."

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    Kate Jones
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My employer asks for volunteers to work every single weekend, and I never do. When I had my review they were like 'you're very punctual and you don't call out but we'd like to see you take some shifts on the weekends here and there so it's not always the same people volunteering' and i'm like....no. I'm not working past the schedule I'm given. Why is that even being brought up at my review as a negative when I'm not required to do this? It's volunteering for a reason-- it's not required. How about you fix your scheduling problem by hiring more people that way you don't have to guilt people into working on weekends who already work 50 hours a week?

    AgedViolet
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Volunteers"? I hope that's just a figure of speech.

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    clairelise@pacific.net
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So this is one of the reasons I've worked at my job for so long: I (briefly) had a coworker who once asked me "Are you working tomorrow?" "No." "What are you doing?" "Nothing!" "Good! Then you're covering my shift. I'm writing it on the calendar." "Bethany, I'm not covering your shift." "You literally just said you had nothing else to do" At this point the owner of the company walks in on us and says to my coworker "Ms Ridenour, Ms Elise cannot cover your shift because she is already working tomorrow!" My coworker demanded "doing what???" The owner said "What?!? I don't know."

    R Adams
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Too right! My sisters don't see my mum as often as i think they should but "they have kids, they're busy", is an often used excuse, but as i don't have kids i can be there for mum all the time.

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    Pjerrot
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s Strange …. People longing & wishing for Kids & a Big Family?!! When They finally get the Kids,all They do is complain about how tired & hard it is😳🤨 They want Sitters & “ Own/Me-time “!!!! What the F**k???? What’s wrong with U folks🤬 Kids are a Gift! U only have them for 18 Yrs!!! And YES!!! It is HARD,BUT 90% is Pure Love!! And Remember…. They didn’t choose to come here!!

    Sora
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to my mother (who strongly believes in reincarnation and all that fun stuff) I did, in fact chose to be here, because all children cHoOsE their family 🙄

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    Faith Donovan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

    Id row
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your lack of birth control is no one's problem but yours.

    Anja Peggy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I do not see it this way totally..do not agree 100%

    Samantha Bennison
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's rude to just show up and dump your kids on anyone. However, asking for help is not rude, parents DO need help and if you aren't willing to help don't be surprised if they dont want you in their kids life.

    Kaelyn Singleton
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    3 years ago

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    You can tell everyone on the comments have never had the responsibility of raising another human being. Yes we choose parenthood but until you're actually knee deep in Parenthood you have no clue what it really takes. And yes it's exhausting so it is nice to have support from loved ones every now and then. We waited till our 30s to adopt our daughter who was going to the state if someone didn't step in. And I can hands down tell you that you do not know tired until you're a parent. I was an executive chef and worked 80 hr weeks regularly and that is nothing in comparison to a child let alone 2 or 3. We all know it's a choice but you're allowed to need help and you're definitely allowed to need some ME time every now and then

    AgedViolet
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. But this article addresses the parents who feel entitled to consistently encroach upon other people's lives with their offspring, not parents who actually take the time to parent their kids. I used to babysit for the same reason the parents hired a sitter: I needed a break. But I also recognize when parents can't be bothered to look after their children. They are a thorn in everyone's side.

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    Henry Hagens
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    17 is way past any kind of justification. It's not like you have to play with them and put them down for naps

    Cathie Reposa
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well @ 17 they still need supervision, maybe not 24-7, but still not adults yet.

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    Lisa Hearn
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a 19 yr old disabled child, who needs me when ever I am not at work, many work places have not understood this, there may be a reason she wants to be their for her 17 yr old, even if it is just to spend quality time with him, which is the most important reason of all.

    GreenEyesInfinity
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why should anyone be working Saturdays at an eye doc? Mine's closed.

    Ellen Larkin
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an Ellen with an 18-year-old I work pretty much every Saturday my daughter does her own thing and helps me take care of her siblings she doesn't babysit them or anything like that basically she gets them off the bus and sits them down with their homework and then I get home and take care of everything else so she can go have fun with her friends

    Doug Farrell
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    3 years ago

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    Maybe your daughter is just a lazy b***h..

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    Spurling somewhat agrees with Tawwab’s line of thinking: "I do think it can be true that we have more flexibility. … But I don’t think that means we should be expected to cover work for those who do have children." After all, people who opt not to have kids do have commitments in other forms — second jobs, caring for relatives, volunteering, pets, hobbies, she explained.

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    "I think it’s important to remember that committing to any of these is someone’s personal life choice, and none of these life choices should be seen as lesser or more important than another. Each of us lives our life to reflect what we want, for some that involves children and for others it doesn’t."

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    Kate Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or worse, you do all that with the hope that when YOU need help someone would do the same for you but it's very rare for it to go both ways. They often disappear as soon as *you* need them.

    Pizzagirl 91
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yupp... Used to babysit my three nieces (now 18, 12 and 8) for my two older sisters all the time. Now I've got twin toddlers (16 months), both well behaved and cute as heck, but the most I've gotten out of my siblings is watching them while I took a shower when we were all visiting my parents' house... It's not like my sisters couldn't watch them (one is a daycare worker, one a primary school teacher), but they always have other plans...

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    LynzCatastrophe
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I need to have that talk with my family soon. Getting serious attitude about responsibility and how I need to help out more. Uh.... do you not see that I walk with a limp? You can tell by just watching me that getting around is difficult and dont say a damn thing about age. I was struck with something that's hereditary. Looking forward to my doctors appointment next month, planning to get framed copies of my next diagnosis.

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    Ruby Sparks
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have no problem with supporting programs that benefit kids because I think as a society we should help the most vulnerable, but that also doesn't mean I'm going to trade my vacation days, Diane, just because your kids' spring break falls around the same time. I asked for it off 4 months ahead as you should have too!

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And it's not like you don't know at the start of the year when spring break will be. You probably even know when it will be for the following year

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    Id row
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I have made your life easier. I've been in my house for 20 years, paying an average of 5k per year in school tax. That comes out to 100k. I've spent 100k and counting for YOUR kids to go to school. Isn't that enough?"

    Lynn Morello
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When my first was born, (Water broke, 1 hr 54 min NO labor) I made the statement, "If it is going to be that easy, I will have half a dozen,. The only time I ever asked anyone to babysit any of my 6 kids, was if I seriously needed to take one for a medical procedure or hospitalisation. Any other time I scheduled my life around my ex's visitations, on the occasions he decided to take any of them. Otherwise, I didn't go anywhere.

    Dianne Riedel
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ACTUALLY do have a problem with paying taxes to support the school system... Let me put it this way, as a home owner we have to pay property taxes that go directly to the schools. I work for this money I pay taxes with and at jobs where ppl use their children as an excuse to skip-out. MANY ppl in the country where I live DO NOT work at all, but have NUMEROUS children (meaning more than 2 or 3 in this instance) that DO NOT pay ANY taxes whatsoever that directly pay for their children's anything. They do not work, live in government funded housing or rental properties, and take government subsidies BY CHOICE. The same way they CHOSE to have numerous children that they could not afford. AND who else besides myself and others like me are affected by this? THE CHILDREN. It's not their fault they are being used for government handouts. Or are alive simply because momma and daddy would rather employ propagation over occupation. Yes, there's ppl who ACTUALLY need the help, too. Sorry not sor

    Kate Ruzza
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I asked my employer for a schedule of Monday thru Friday with the weekends off. I was told no because Saturday is a busy day and they need me but what they are not saying is because you don't have kids you can't have the weekend off. There are at least 3 people at my job that have those hours because they have kids. Which is very frustrating but I deal with it.

    Craig Reynolds
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Also, they get Child Tax Credits while YOU PAY FULL TAXES. Some of them with more than one kid pay little or no taxes because of those credits so yeah, they can go pound sand.

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    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Couldn't agree more. Everyone has contracts. Don't get treated like mugs

    Jojo Gray
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously you either aren't from the U.S. or you've never worked restaurant, retail or customer service. Everyone does not have contracts

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    Tania L. Williamson
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    DEI = Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. You’re welcome.

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    Pjerrot
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Allways Choose with U’r ♥️👏👏👏

    Maripat Webber
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At one job they tried the “No kids” excuse for giving me the “last one out of the school in a disaster/stay with unclaimed kid” job. A colleague with 7 kids called them on it. She said everyone else had someone to share home responsibilities with. I had a dog and cat to care for. Alone. Nope, she said. SHE goes home FIRST.

    If you want to change your situation and set some healthy boundaries, Spurling advised you to stand your ground but not in a confrontational way. "When you find yourself being judged or devalued because of your choice, it can be easy to become quickly defensive in these situations but discussing it calmly will be far more helpful to both sides."

    "It’s not that childfree people can’t or don’t want to help if a colleague needs to leave because a child is unwell for example, it’s about that help being a two-way street. Sticking to your own boundaries can be tough but once you start doing it, it does become easier, people will adjust and you will feel happier because you’ll be living within your own limits," she concluded.

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    Amber.exe
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So basically unpaid labor bc two people had a baby that they wanted. That's bs,you're doing it bc they're on maternity leave,still need to pay you for that

    GPZ
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And acting up penalties- you’re doing your boss’ job, you get their pay

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    Ivy la Sangrienta
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my country people have a minimum of 12 months of parental leave. Companies hire temps to do their job. Everybody wins.

    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    More crap management that will lead to resent. I dont understand how these companies expect to keep staff loyal when they treat them so poorly

    S Finden
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This, exactly! So sick of always having to cover. If a company chooses to offer this benefit, they need to have a plan to cover the work too.

    Maggie Hood
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yo they still need to pay you for the extra work

    King Kashue
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "It takes a village" is a metaphor for our reciprocal responsibility to the other members of our society. *Reciprocal*. It means "We're all in this together and future good citizens arise from the practice of good citizenship by all" it doesn't mean "Having a kid means other people are required to do stuff for me."

    Myr Lopez
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A social responsibility spread over 330 million people will hurt no one, it's when people start saying "everyone pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" that an avoidable parenting struggle spills over onto your five coworkers. Like literally social programs could avoid at least 90 percent of this. Set a reasonable pay for childcare workers and there's plenty willing to do it!

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    Lynn Morello
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When one of our ladies are on maternity leave, the shortfall goes to the rest of the ladies. We expect updates and pickies of the new baby and confirmation the mum is doing well. We WILL make this work with or without you. This goes for anyone who has to go on leave for any reason, Although we don't expect pickies of any Gallstones or joint replacement. Just that the Patient is doing well.

    robin aldrich
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who fills in the gap? ooh ooh I know! people like us: the child-free...which I want to support my coworkers but but yeah doing their job AND mine is a challenge.

    Thomas Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You've just described (0art of) why temp-agencies exist.

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    Alexa/echo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes and if you have pets add on food and vet bills they are furry children that are more well behaved most of the time. And more appreciative than most children

    TheReader19
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, because this month my cat tried to cut his toe off to see if his foot would look more attractive. The cone of shame for him 😭

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    Beverly Lodge
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ya one time my "kid" was named "Cabo" and not whatever ridiculous electronic thing my 8 year old niece didn't need an upgrade for.

    abby smink
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, ask the 1,700 I just had to spend on a single vet bill, after taking him about 8 times this year alone.

    Meg Meg
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm responsible enough to recognize that I'm not in a place financially where having children is a good idea. It looks like I have money but that's just because I have enough to take care of me. I know situations arise where people were financially stable and lose a job and that's no longer the case but people who are already in a bad situation to begin with don't need to be beating down those of us who were responsible enough to recognize it would be a problem and chose to avoid popping out kids until a later date. I can't stand when I work hard and bust my rump for something nice and hear the inevitable "You can afford stupid stuff like that when you don't have kids". You're right, but you choose to have those little financial burdens...not me.

    Anna
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s crazy how many people do not think things through before they have have kids. And then often they have one and are struggling and the best thing they can come up with is HAVE ANOTHER ONE!?!

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    Meg Meg
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly! I enjoy being able to travel and have hobbies and not be weighed down by sticky crumb snatching little humans. I'm sick of people with kids calling me selfish for wanting a life without the burden of children. The petty jealousy of my "easy" life is laughable. Move along with your parade of children (the one at the back wondered off btw) Becky because I need to get to the wine section and you're all in my way.

    Bexx 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (My name is Becki but) I 100% agree, move along with your parade of children Becky we have wine to enjoy~!

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    Dawn Foland
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I needed this comment in particular. I've been feeling subconsciously bad that I've chosen not to have kids. Like I was being selfish for my choice. Now I feel like I just picked a different path and it's okay that I picked this one. Thank you! <3

    GPZ
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NEVER feel bad for not having children. It isn’t for everyone for a plethora of reasons but you have the right to choose NOT to have kids as much as you can choose to have them. We are more than just procreation machines.

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    Kate Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A guy I know was in a similar situation. He worked at different military posts in a civilian liaison post and he was always sent to the worst and most dangerous areas. When he turned 50 he had put in his '20' as he called it which was the length of time for this position where you can then ask for a specific assignment. He had been really excited about getting Italy and when it came up to choose, they forced him to stay where he was because someone who had a family ended up getting the spot. He can't prove it but it was so obvious. When he asked one of his former bosses (who was retired and they were friendly) why did he think he didn't get it he said Italy was more of a family-friendly location and he knew from experience that locations were chosen for people with families first and singles got the more difficult locations because if anything happened in a more violent area, there was less of a PR problem.

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    Pjerrot
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oooh.. The Classic “ One the Team “… Go F**k that Line !!! People who say that line are the Ones that never takes ONE FOR THE TEAM!!!

    Kate Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's always a 'team' or 'we're a family' until you need something and then you're selfish.

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    MalP
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I took off when I needed too when my kids were young. I never 'took one for the team', BUT When my kids were grown I would volunteer to work Christmas eve, take my longer vacations during the school year, etc. It was my small returning the favor for those who did such things for me.

    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    100% ask for more money or say no. Unacceptable for an employer to expect more or less from any member of staff. Its poor management that will Foster a resentful environment leading to less productivity

    AgedViolet
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If there is ONE phrase I hope I never hear again, it's "team player." Translation: "minimum-wage slave doing the work of at least three people. No extra compensation, no sick days, no PTO. Constantly on-call; smile tattooed on."

    Emily
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have no kids but I would still sometimes volunteer for working occasional holidays because I at least got time and a half pay. But yeah, it shouldn't be expected

    Alexa/echo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really that’s horrible kids are a blessing and all but so is seeing your elderly family members and the ones you don’t see often. People are so selfish.

    Mamie Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had that s**t all the time... I'm a wiccan, and when we got our new GM, she literally would not hear of me taking the night off (willing to work during the day!) For religious reasons, because there were people with kids who needed Halloween (Samhain to pagans) off to take the kids trick or treating

    GreenEyesInfinity
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Teams with good managers don't have to take anything for them.

    Jae
    Community Member
    Premium
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe the team should use birth control?

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    David Kramer
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We are childFREE, not childLESS. Childless implies we're missing them from our lives, which is part of this wrong mentality we need to change.

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    Nadine G
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This. I remember managing a few stores in my early/mid 20s. I never once asked people to do more than what their availability stated. If I needed more people, I'd hire more, or, wild thought here, I WORKED IT. As a jewelry store manager, I worked 6 days a week, usually open to close. December I didnt have a day off. When I left, I had to hire a whole new core staff, all but 1 person quit. Owners of that company used me bad. So, any manager out there acting like their employees are their personal servants need to fùcking step up and do better.

    Jeffrey Garcia
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked at a chain restaurant near my high school and also had marching band practice 2-3 days and football games on Fridays. My GM knew that when he hired me and scheduled accordingly. I would get done early some and park at work, then walk to get a snack before my shift. One of these days I was sitting in the parking lot with my sandwich and shake and there was a lot of business. One of the managers came to my car yelling at me that I need to get inside and start helping. In a nutshell I told him he had no authority over me for the next 20 minutes. He preceded to tell me (still yelling) I couldn't park on company property off duty and I later found out he has my car towed while I was in the office (the place he was sitting the whole time the store was busy) getting "fired". The other manager on duty called the GM The GM cussed him out and suspended him, we finished the dinner rush, he took me to pick up my car and paid the bill out of pocket and paid me the rest of my shift

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    Kate Jones
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're a student, you're lucky if they don't offer to pay you with 'experience'. It's shocking how many companies try to play it off like they are offering internships when really it's just slave labor and you aren't even getting any experience at the job itself. My friend got an 'internship' at an ad agency for her advertising and marketing major, and for the entire year she basically just got coffee and mail. She didn't feel at all prepared to start a job somewhere when she was done. It should be illegal to do that if you offer to have student workers.

    Ashley Galyen
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had this problem. I put a note on my file that there were certain days I can work in pinch if the really needed me. They scheduled me those days every single time and ignored my class schedules. I had to put in my two weeks notice to get them to straighten up. These companies don't want you to actually do any better. Periodically I'd browse the store when I visited home. They would ask when I'm coming back. Never? Another employer changed management so frequently. One manager was known for fixing broken stores was sent to us. He liked me and what I do. He told me in five years that with him I was going places. Sorry, I'm not part of YOUR career trajectory because I can do the work of 5 people. Politely told him I couldn't because I'd be writing the code for their ordering system by then. It never occurred to him that he wasn't the only person with a degree.

    Susan Reid Smith
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When a manager at a fast food place told me he was going to work me all of my available hours, I told him that I couldn't and gave him one week notice. My previous managers had worked with students and got more loyal employees because of it.

    Ashley Galyen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Told them 12 hours max. Basically enough to get gas money because I had a heavy load at school. Corporate had changed policy that instead of one manager doing the schedule that each manager schedules their own shift. Next schedule rolls around, late per usual, and I get a call saying "how does 36 hours sound?". 3 managers each decided they were getting my 12 hours.

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    christine buckley
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hangover from the 60s. We didn't try to have lives for the most part. Just lived for summer.

    jimharrdc@yahoo.com
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Replace single or childless with the word retired and repost this entire thread.

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    Cathie Reposa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everytime I decline to babysit ANOTHER Grandchild, I am asked,( " why ? you have nothing to do! ) Oh, no just raising your first one isn't enough I suppose??

    Little Wonder
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I asked my mum years ago if she'd be sad if I never had children, and she said "Nope, I don't want to babysit. I've done nappies (diapers) and don't want to do it again" lol

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    Ciderale
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We are childless. We tried 3 times but not meant to be. as I progressed in my career I saw how people with children got a little more attention. When I went to a new company I invented a child. I was with them for 20 years the "child" was 10 when I started. I would talk to my coworkers like she was real. told stories of drivers' tests and graduations and how she was going to the same school my wife and I went to. Talked about her boyfriend and how the were getting married and how they would come to see us all the time. I left that job about a year ago. and have not told the stories since. I drove past our school a few months back and it felt like someone had died. The young ladies that work with my wife say they want to be like her, childless, and have a few dogs. she cries when she tells me. I do too but not in front of her. We are going into our 60s soon and we are alone. Have children if you can. I know some people are unfit, that's another story. Whatever you have to do.

    Amanda Collinson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My kid is 42 and doesn't live with me anymore. We are expected to work one late night a week, if required, and for there to always be someone around in the office. Many of my colleagues have younger children. Because I love the team I work with, I happily volunteer to do one night a week. At the moment, I'm doing two. If any of them had problems with their holidays then, providing of course I hadn't already made plans, I would swap with them. Why? Because I'm not as tired as they are. And I know this because I've got kids myself. Because evening and holiday childcare isn't always available, and I know this. Because although I don't have young kids, I do have an elderly and infirm parent and I know that any one of them would cover for me in a heartbeat, if it were necessary. It's called give and take. While I do agree that this should not be an expectation, wtf is so wrong with offering to be helpful now and then? Are all childless people as 'Me! Me! Me!' as this?

    Drew Losure-McDermott
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Amanda, It sounds like you're comfortable filling in for others because it's *not* treated like an expectation at your workplace, and it's always voluntary. None of the examples in this list fit those criteria; we are being either forced or guilted into doing something extra, often for no extra pay or at the expense of our health. I'm not against helping at work either, on the terms I made clear when I was hired, and my current job respects that, but I've had many more abusive situations. That's what we're complaining about. These aren't consenting, volunteer based situations. edit: oh also the respectful term lately has been considered "childfree" as "childless" is considered to have some negative connotations. idk, it took me a bit to get used to that change, this article reminded me of it.

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    Conor Gilmartin
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In one very cold spell a few years back, three of us who lived within a few hundred yards of each other (two on the same road) couldn’t reasonably make it into the office for a couple of days without making a 3+ hour trek each way due to heavy snow and icy roads. Another single guy and I were made to book those two days as annual leave, while HR turned a blind eye to the third person, who had two children.

    Jes
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All i can say is wtf!!!!

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    Jill Chambers
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You wouldn't be allowed in the life boats 😱

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    Mondkatze
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Childfree too. My decision since i Was still 11 years old. Never wanted them, always have to explain and get judged. My friends are ok with this though (if not, they wouldnt be true friends i think). But it has been a really important step, that I told all of them, that I am also not willing to babysit. Hard pill but important. I did it only once and as a Gift. I thought He would know, this is special but just a month lauter, as if i had opened a door, He asked me to babysit again. Felt Bad but i sticker to my decision and said, last time was an exception. I would only Do it in emergency cases or as a special Gift. Thankfully He understood and never asked again. It is important to communicate!! (but i admit , i some Kind of felt like a bad human beeing to decline this... Weird )

    lazy panda
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's great that you were able to establish boundaries and that he understood! I know a lot of people who would probably kick me to the curb if I did this (not that I would complain).

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