30 People Who Went Down In History As The ‘Bad Guys’, But Didn’t Actually Deserve That Title

If the group is "failing", it's possible that there is a prideful area they need to work on through prayer. We are to love God and our neighbor; the two most important commandments (Matt 22:36-40). I have been in a Christian group numerous times and, from my experience, that group treated others with gentle care and respect. If you're talking about Christians here acting high-and-mighty, then that behavior is the opposite of what is meant to be instructed.

Hitler wasn't an atheist - he was, at least publicly and in all his writings, a Christian and he criticised atheism, which at the time was closely linked to communism. He sought (and got) a non-aggression pact with the Catholic church. In Mein Kampf he makes repeated reference to "doing god's work". Claims that he was atheist are nonsensical revisionism.

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That's not true Vix, Nazism had their own "religion" and rituals that tried to mimic the paganism of the ancient Aryans. They were not Christians.

I didn't say the Nazis were Christians, although of course many were because Protestantism was the dominant religion in Germany at the time. I said *Hitler* was a Christian which, to the best of available evidence, is true. As well as not being an atheist, he also wasn't a vegetarian or a socialist. People just love ascribing arbitrary positions to history's most famous villain.

My friend Crazy Mike N. once said "I read the [Philly] phone book and counted thousands of churches..... and imagine if *really* only one is Right...." I laughed my asss off and he guffawed and said, "Yeah, the rest are FÙCKED.... imagine how surprised they will be !!!!"

You obviously don’t understand the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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Having beliefs shouldn't be hated on. People find value in religion and to be made to feel stupid for those beliefs despite not doing anything wrong sucks. I'm a free thinker, but I still believe in God. I came to that conclusion on my own. I'm not saying you have to believe in anything, but you shouldn't look down on people that do. It is one of many reasons people are so divided, lack of respect coming from all sides.

People like JC would prefer that we're still burning doctors, scientists and old women as witches.

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Don't make the mistake of equating secular with modern.

I didn't. Modern doctors use secular medicine. They don't generally prescribe praying or giving money to a church any more.

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Define secular medicine.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secular

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We all know what secular means. I'm asking for the definition of secular medicine and how it differs from non-secular medicine.

Secular medicine is medicine that is secular. As opposed to non-secular medicine, which, as I alluded to earlier, involves attempts to invoke supernatural intervention on behalf of the patient.

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So, lemme get this straight. You're saying that you believe all Christians/Catholics, who have practiced medicine or participated in the sciences throughout history, we're inherently flawed because they were relying solely on the invocation of God? Am I getting this right?

Yes. Give me one ounce of proof other than a old book that God exists and I'll shut up.

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Dragons, have you studied Aquinas' 5 Proofs? https://home.csulb.edu/~cwallis/100/aquinas.html

Most of Aquinas's "proofs" are just claims that god exists to avoid infinite regressions that Aquinas himself invented, although it's very funny the way he says nothing can cause itself and pretends that doesn't defeat his own argument.

And, as you probably know, Vix, the true Scientific Method is forming a hypothesis and throwing Everything at it to try and make it WRONG, not right, and true theorems and theories are developed when there us no conclusive evidence suggesting FALSEHOOD, not evidence suggesting correctness. This is the ONLY WAY to minimize the INHERENT POSITIVITY BIAS in ALL humans. NO POSITIVE PROVING IS RELIABLE ENOUGH

Unsurprisingly, you aren't. Nobody mentioned Catholics. The first hospitals predate the Christian faith, so if you were claiming them for Catholicism, you were wrong. However, there is a long history of religious and quasireligious nonsense undermining the practice of medicine, from performing propitiatory sacrifices all the way down to the King's touch as a cure for scrofula. As you well know, relying partially on supernatural woo to effect a cure is just as useless as relying wholly on it.

*know, please