Someone Asks People To Share The Worst Career Advice They Ever Got And They Deliver (35 Pics)
Whether you're at the top of your career game or just starting out - somewhere along the way you have probably asked someone older, wiser or just with more experience for some advice. Sometimes we receive advice from a mentor that becomes gospel we will pass on to others we meet - or in the case of the people on this list - advice that could have or did hurt instead of help.
Adam Grant, a psychologist and New York Times bestselling author, asked Twitter: "What's the worst career advice you've ever received?" and shared his top three worst nuggets to start it off. Turns out he's not the only one, people hopped on the thread and shared some painfully bad career tips - even Monica Lewinsky responded and we all know how that went. Scroll down to check them out and don't forget to upvote your favs!

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This one still resonates with me. I’ve seen Monica Lewinsky’s TED and her interview with John Oliver, and especially the former one has had a powerful effect on me. I see now that how she was treated by the press, politicians, even her friend was brutal. Especially that she was in her 20’s then. Whatever you say about her, maybe it was love, perhaps infatuation, vanity trip or plain ignorance - she just did not deserve the bullying.
This one always pissed me off. She shouldn't have received any of it. What happened with her and the Clintons was between the 3 of them. This is yet another example of people not minding their own damn business. The media made WAY too big of a deal out of this. Like he was the first person in a position of power to cheat on a spouse (eyeroll). She deserved none of the vitriol tossed at her.
Load More Replies...If this is in fact her account, good for her for the sense of humour. People saying it was her fault are completely wrong! He was the POTUS, a man in power and her interning there, he was who she clearly admired. There have been many other women who have said that he was a womanizer. It just so happens that this young girl was the one that got caught up in his indiscretions. Wave it off Wanda, continue to do you Monica!
Hoo-eee, there's a lot of judgmental sobs out there. It was poor judgment for both of them, but pales in comparison to our current POTUS who happily forces himself (just groping as far as i know) on any attractive female within reach. And yes, he's married, too.
Shes actually a very funny Lady. I too was very impressed with her after watching the John Oliver interview
I feel like without Linda tripp telling her she looked fat in the dress so she wouldn’t clean it none of this would of ever came out. Which idk is good or bad
Epitome of grace under fire. She was a star-struck impressionable young woman. He was the President of the United States. She was vilified and s**t-shamed while he was given a pass because “boys will be boys.” She is the worst victim of professional media bullying in modern history. So called journalists should be ashamed of themselves for what they put her through. The media treatment of @MonicaLewinsky is why I lost confidence in any news outlet in the USA.
she said she was in love and yes she dallied with a married man but she was very young and it was heady stuff to be with the President. However was never foreseen that they would be caught and it all dragged through the mud. She still maintains there was no sexual intercourse.
in all fairness, it wasn't her internship as much as her lack of character
She was an impressionable young woman, barely out of her teens. He was a married man, more than twice her age. He was a professional. He was a lawyer. He was the former governor of the State of Arkansas. He was the sitting President of the United States of America. Yet you state it was HER lack of character while saying absolutely nothing about his deplorable behavior and lack of character. There is nothing "fair" about your comment at all. Quite the contrary, you, like so many others, seem to place the blame squarely on the shoulders of a star-struck young woman.
Load More Replies...Not everyone is blessed to have a mentor to give them sound career advice so below are some tips from the masters. From Forbes Agency Council members to CEOs of the biggest corporations, here are some words of wisdom they have shared over the years. The first comes from Karen Wickre, former editorial leader at Google and Twitter, who told Business Insider: "I didn't get this advice, but I learned it by doing, and now it's what I tell others: Always be building your brain trust. This is the web of contacts you can call on when you have questions or need expertise beyond yours."
As a person who works in the field where you can't drop everything when the clock hits 5 pm, I totally agree with what she says. Work reasonably, if one day you have to work until 8,take some time off the next day, that's how me and my co-worker do it and our boss understands it, it's so easy to burn out. No job is important enough to run yourself into the ground.
Whomever gave that poor advice is confusing effort with productivity.
Load More Replies...Far too many companies today try to force you to work extra hours, especially if you are part time help. Watch out for those who will work you consistently just under full time. They are trying to take advantage of you. Do not let your job take advantage of you. Once it starts it will never end. Stay firm and don't give in on coming in on your day off. Every job I had wanted me to be a "team player" and come in just this once. It very quickly became a situation where they "needed" me every time my day off came. They were not willing to promote me, nor were they willing to pay properly. I left those jobs. If they expect me to care and be a team player it works both ways. A company that values you will respect you, not take advantage at every turn.
In the US, an employer has to offer you health care* if you work "full-time". Therefore, employers will schedule you for one hour short of "full-time" per week, so that you have to pay for healthcare on your own, go without any health insurance, or apply for public assistance for health insurance. * The employer pays for part of your health insurance, and you pay for part of it. The health insurance cost come straight out of your paycheck. A lot of people work 37 hours a week, because 38 hours a week is full time.
Load More Replies...I don't look at emails, answer calls, place orders, etc after I leave for,the day. Work time is work time,
I work at Japanese company which are notorious for bad work life balance. But I just leave at 5pm everyday. My colleagues and clients are so confused why I don't look at emails, chat, and mesage after 5 pm..
Load More Replies...A manager once told me that job assignments are created so work gets done in a 40 hour work week. If you can't complete everything in that time, then your not as productive as you should be. After that I started doing the bare minimum to get by. My family is way more important.
My favorite boss asked in our initial interview: "What would you do if a regional rep came in and said they had a chance to get $1000s in free printing, but the artwork has to go in tonight, and you still have to pick up your kids from daycare?" I replied, "I'd tell the rep that I have to pick up my kids at daycare, but if she/he could do it for me, I'd get their artwork done... and don't ask me what the kids look like, we haven't met." My boss laughed and she hired me. She said, "Our motto here is 'It's a job and we do it very well, but it's not the end of the world.'"
No one will remember you were a "team player" and got your work done. Your children and family will remember when you weren't at their soceer game, basketball game or play recital. Put your friends and family first; those are the people that will remember your commitment. Not your employer.
Also - working late only advertises who can be bullied/manipulated into being taken advantage of. Yes... on occasion it's necessary (ie: middle of an experiment) but you should never make it a POINT to do it because you'll seem harder working. You learn that the bosses are going to promote who they *want* to promote, and if they have decided to marginalize you, there is nothing you can do to make them "see". I've had work stolen, I've been given other people's work (other people who were given raises and promotions for being "amazing employees") - I've worked the 12 hour days, the weekends, the holidays - not once was I ever congratulated or noticed for "going the extra mile".
Thanks a lot for this I quit my banking job in below one month because my employer sugar coated everything at the beginning and as a fresh graduate who had zero marketing experience + slightly introverted personality (although I'm very talkative once I warm up), I was not confident with what I'm supposed to do. My employer began teaching me unethical methods to find customers. My fellow workers have known her as a very moody and bossy fellow. She even got mad at the ONLY customer service we had who was so busy with her work and helping her mother to sell homemade food, she spent more than her health insurance on her health. Turns out, there have been 7 other employees who couldn't last under her. I went back to my relaxing freelancing job and I am glad I did what I did.
Anyone who who will teach, push unethical, even illegal or immoral, business practices will throw you under the bus, stab you in the back, insert own metaphor.
Load More Replies...Same applies in personal relationships. When someone shows you who they are, even if it's the 1st day, believe them.
they have 90 day trials for a lot of jobs in new zealand and usa I think these days most western countries are adopting that policy too works for the worker or the boss you can leave or they can let you go without repercussions
Load More Replies...She's absolutely correct! If it's a bad work situation, get out ASAP and spend a year at a better job!
I agree with this. And it works for academics too. As I sat in my desk on the first day of my Finite Math class, I noticed the professor never looked up at the class once..not even during roll call. His answer to questions was..well just read the book. Well I read it..that's why I'm asking. So after day two, I withdrew from the class and signed up for another course. A friend stayed behind and gave me updates on the train wreck that the class was becoming. Nearly every student failed the first exam..because they discovered he had shown them how to do problems in reverse. I told her to take fellow students to the Dean and tell him what was happening. Turned out the professor was in the stages of Alzheimers. The school let the students take the class again free of charge. The professor died 6 months after he was forced into retirement.
I agree sometimes ya can tell within a few weeks or a month whether the job is for you and if its suits you (or that ya can handle any abusive coworkers)
It's hard not to get disheartened when someone rejects your idea. Freelance writer and New York Times bestselling author, Sara Bliss, says she received invaluable advice from Tony Freund who was a staff writer for Town & Country magazine, that has helped her defeat this mindset. "If an editor rejects an idea, do not scrap it. Instead, he suggested refining and repitching it to the same editor or trying a new one.
How long will it take, till everyone get´s that girls and boys can do anything they want to?
In all fairness, we don’t know how long ago this advice was given.
Load More Replies...Same. I was the best in technics; got told it was not for girls and I should become a nurse because that is more "lady-like". Have a low-paying nursing job I hate now (NOT because of the patients! they are awesome and make it bearable!; just not my passion) and am 35 now and "re-doing" time; NOW 20 "wasted" years later studying to become a technical engineer (plumber to be honest :P)
Two of my nieces took engineering. One is a biomedical engineer who manages at a company that makes artificial limbs and her sister is an electrical engineer with a minor in music who designs sound systems for stadiums and is partner in her own company. So there stupid math teacher and guidance counselor!
My sister was dissuaded from taking HVAC classes at a local community college. It was considered "mens work." She said that was obvious when she found out the building where the classes were held didn't even have women's bathrooms. Well she became HVAC certified and went on to do repairs for 7 years. The only reason she quit is because she hated being on call for emergencies. She opted for working in the shop with repair, supplies and invoicing so she could have her weekends and a life outside of work.
In formerly communist countries in eastern and central Europe (Poland, Romania, etc.), STEM (Science-Technology-Engineering-Math) is not viewed as being a male field.
My mum's school guidance councilor told her she couldn't be a vet because she didn't have the money eventhough she had the grades she needed to get in to verify school and she could use student loans. My mum now works as a senior carer in a care home.
In my case I wouldn’t have taken Engineering, not because it was supposed to be for boys, but because I’m hopeless at math.
depends on the boss, but never think that a boss is going to share their wealth with you for no other reason than hard work. at the end of each day, every boss can replace you for someone else who is a "hard worker"
True, but most bosses are too busy to recognize your "hard work". What they want is results and that's it.
Load More Replies...Or, if you work very hard, and dedicate your life to your job, you can be like me and get released after 18 years because 'Your position has been eliminated'. Two months later they hired a college kid to do my old job...for less than half what they paid me. So, yeah, work hard, your boss will recognize when it's time to get rid of you faster.
I have found that the harder I work, the more work I get. Many of the managers I have run into during my life have been promoted to the point of incompetence and they don't recognize your efforts and worth. They will give the same 3% raise to the hard workers and the slackers of your team. I would say do a good job, do your best, and have a good work ethic. Take pride in what you do and do all of this for yourself because that is what truly matters.
I agree it depends on the boss, and whether they’re a fair and ethical person who will give credit where credit is due. I’ve had way too many bosses who delegated all their own work to a capable assistant or their departments. Then that/those non-management employee(s) would work really hard to finish it perfectly, only to have the boss put their own name to it, take full credit as if they did it all by themselves with no help at all, “humbly” accept the praise for being a genius, then take the offered raise and/or promotion for a job well done. There’s a special place in hell for them, though you hope karma catches up before then, and at some point they’re exposed as the incompetent frauds they really are.
You might think that showing off your mental prowess is the key to impressing everyone at your job - but sometimes acting like a know-it-all can hinder you. Said Jacob Hanson, PR with Panache! to Forbes: "Oftentimes, leaders feel that they need to be the "smartest guy or gal" in the room, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Good leaders are the smartest one in the room, great leaders surround themselves with smarter people that will challenge ideas, bring new perspectives to the table and drive innovation.
I see this a lot in the healthcare industry. People get pushed to their limits.
yep… my wife was a nurse… burn-out, depression, suicide attemp. nurse profession has no respect from their boss
Load More Replies...The profile picture of this guy was basically me reading the advice they got.
Wrong! you should drop dead of exhaustion everyday at work, resurrect yourself and do it again the next day, because that Billionaire owner needs another dollar. **sarcasm**
Maybe "If you're not about to collapse, you're not working out enough". If you think that work is killing you, change something. Work, team or at least schedule.
I see too many graphic designers and coders' (and the family they insisted on having) health and relationships deteriorating from this attitude. Try it in your 20s but don't drag other people into your dream. If you haven't made it by your mid 30s, maybe you need to try a different working style.
My work asked people to stay late today but I couldn't because I honestly felt like I was about to collapse.
At 26? That's infuriating. I mean, people are 30 and still in university out there. That headhunter knew no reality or was just lying.
IKR im nearly 41 and just changed jobs to something I hadnt done before a few months ago and love it !!! worked in retail and farming most of my life since i was 15 and now work in a gas station as a cashier and support / forecourt attendant :)
Load More Replies...Ha. I'm 41 and about to take prerequisites to go back to medical school. It's never too late!!
Hell, I finally got to go to college at 51, and just graduated with a Masters Degree at 58, to do just that; change my life and get away from the kind of low level soul sucking jobs you can get with only a high school diploma. I can’t afford to retire at 65, plus my family lives to be 100. So I plan to work until I’m in my eighties, because why should I spend one third of my life struggling on a fixed income that doesn’t adjust for inflation, when I could reduce that amount of time by working longer, saving and investing more money (on the much higher salary I now have the credentials to achieve), and increasing the amount of my future social security check? Other Boomers, those who didn’t miss the gravy train like I did, can retire and reduce the workforce all they want. That just means more opportunities for new graduates like myself (who now shares and well understands the Millennials’ problems because I’m living them myself), to jump right into those jobs.
I know people who made complete (and successful) career changes at 40, 50, even 60+
That was a ridiculous thing for that person to tell you. Glad you didn't take that person's advice.
I qualified as a teacher at 21, became an FE lecturer at 25, moved to social work (homelessness support) at 34, trained as a pharmacy dispenser at 54, and retired at 60. To be honest I could have done other things if I'd pushed but I think I've had my share of job related variety!
My mum went to uni in her 40s, did a Bachelor degree and went into a completely different field. Nah, never too old.
At 26, someone has been at in a career for 3 (at best 4) years. That's barely enough time to be starting out in a career, let alone too old to change one.
Career change is more of a discussion topic for a professional Career Counselor, not a Headhunter. It’s not the Headhunter’s job to try and sell an unqualified prospect to a potential employer. They won’t stay in business doing that. Their function is to work with hiring managers to define requirements and recruit suitable candidates whose skill sets align with available openings in their network. I’m hoping that was just a joke that went over the job-seeker’s head.
We've all had those days when we feel overwhelmed as if the work keeps stacking up - well Nicole Rodrigues, NRPR Group, LLC said to Forbes embrace it. "I was told by a mentor very early on that I should never complain when there’s a lot of work to do. I agree and tell my team the same thing. Be thankful there’s work to do. When something becomes easy or routine, it’s a clear sign you’re not growing."
That is a notorious cognitive bias known as the “Sunk Cost Fallacy” exercising its powerful grip. By all means, do cut and run when the alarm bells go off in your head.
"Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a lot of time making it."
Load More Replies...If you are leaving a toxic or dangerous relationship, including a work environment, don't think of it as "giving up". You are actually taking charge, being proactive, and moving forward.
haha yeah, way better to cut ties and walk. So many abusive employers out there
Actually, I believe in both. Never ever give up on what someone says is impossible to achieve. Make it happen, you CAN work miracles. BUT, cut your losses when the work environment becomes toxic, when you are nearing burn out. When the costs (not financial) are greater than the gain (again, not financial).
This can also work with family. I love my family. Always will. But the interactions they have with each other are nasty, hostile and outright abusive. My husband stopped going to family holiday events because festivities would usually break down into one person arguing with someone else and the rest of us getting dragged into it. I left my family 3000 miles away and communicate with only half of them through social media and phone. My life has gotten better for it because I can focus on myself instead of the constant drama. I've set lines in the sand that say I will not get dragged into fights and those that ignore that border will be cut off from communication. I cannot and will not have my life disrupted because of people that can't seem to get along.
And sometimes "cutting out" works in relationships too....life is WAY too short
well, it's not rocket science, because that would be horrible for the brain
Load More Replies...You know what trait I want and a neurosurgeon? Tenacity! Thanks for sticking with it!
If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. You were determined to keep trying until you aced it. That’s true commitment. Good for you!
That is truly a job/career I do not want nor could I do. Thank God for people like you that WILL.
i know, i will got bad points, but i can udnerstand thuis advice. If you failing repeatly on the same thing, just move on. There are more then one big dream.
I winced a little at this one. I don't care if you placed #1 on your third try, if you are my brain surgeon I'm a little tense at attempts 1 and 2...
It's great to get career advice from people you admire but in the end, you should make sure you're the one in control of your destiny. Said Gina Michnowicz, Union+Webster to Forbes: "One of my mentors always said don't let others manage your career because you will be unhappy with the results. What he meant by management is focusing on what skills and experiences you need to ultimately be in your dream job. I managed my moves carefully, making sure that I built the right skills to be a CEO. In the end, he was right and I am happy with the outcome."
They only say that to eliminate you as competition, because they realize you’re smarter and more capable than they are. F**k ‘em.
Load More Replies...I got that same advice. Never regretted career for family. A solid bank acct also gives you the power to do as you wish.
i hear this all the time. who wants a guy who thinks of you like that? who said i wanted kids? what's it to you?
Well, marriage and kids isn't for everyone. She should persu what makes her happiest
Uhm, so? Single career family, that is great! I would be the stay at home dad, which I REALLY want to do! Double career family? Ok, we will work as a team to solve the problems with child care and such so that we both work effectively. Each is entitled to success, self fulfillment, and support from their significant other. (In my and my wife's relationship it was chosen that I work and she stays home. My employment provides a larger income than hers would, but she works just as hard as I do being a full time mother. Her being employed would actually cost us due to child care rates, not to mention the children being raised by a sitter instead of one of us. She has plans still, and I fully support them. But we BOTH put our kids first in this decision.)
Guys that see you as a threat aren't worth knowing. If they feel threatened..then they lack self-esteem. If they lack self-esteem, they will constantly want to know where you are, what you are doing and who you are with. They feel more secure if they are in control and a woman is submissive. My brother is one of those men. He's just recently been divorced...FOR THE THIRD TIME!!
what a s****y advice. If she has no ambition, how can she be a true partner for me, instead of another weight to pull?
Not counter-intuitive at all. I know tons of people who loved their hobbies so much they started a business. They were plenty successful, but unhappy and started to hate what they used to love. Not saying it will be that way for everyone. Maybe you will be different. Me? I learned the hard way.
I think many people confuse something done for fun/relaxation with something done for love. I think those that end up the way you describe are that sort. It doesn't make any difference how much one loves their business, there is some aspect(s) of it that is necessary but simply not fun to do.
Load More Replies...There was a famous experiment in psychology where children, who displayed fun while drawing pictures were subsequently rewarded for drawing. Their fun significantly diminished or even vanished. The outcome was that their intrinsic motivation (what you do because you simply want to) was replaced by extrinsic motivation (you do something because you are rewarded). This in the book example of why making a living of what you would otherwise do for joy has a high chance of ruining the fun for you. However, "what you love" can mean more than hobbies, it can be a "meta" activity, like leading a team, organizing, reading articles. If you match those preferences with your job, you're pretty much golden. :)
Here's a nice article about a similar one: https://www.spring.org.uk/2009/10/how-rewards-can-backfire-and-reduce-motivation.php
Load More Replies...I agree! Why take something you love to do and and the drudgery of know you *have* to do it? I loved to cook, it was my hobby. But once it was expected of me that I would cook every night for hubby and kids (while working full time) it became just another chore!
I followed a career in what I love. 3 degrees later I am thrilled with my choice and wake up every day excited to go to work.
When a hobby become your career, it's a whole different world. What used to be toys, are now tools that have to be justified by paying for themselves. Least photography wise, it's still fun but it changes you rational for buying things.
I used to listen to a lot of maker podcasts (mostly about woodworking), and they’d talk about this very phenomenon. I think it’s a cautionary tale all aspiring entrepreneurs should hear and consider heeding...or at least try it out and be open to a Plan B, should they begin developing disdain for that which they once loved.
Actually I totally agree with this. WHen I was in High School my Band instructor tried getting me to focus on going professional. I didn't want to I loved playing my clarinet but having it as my job would take the fun out.
I don't agree at all. I love my job (I'm an archaeology conservator) and I never stop loving It. I read about It as a hobby, and enjoy almost every moment working. My problems usually are with toxic co-workers or bosses.
I hate it when people expect you to settle down. Do whatever you want. I'm 46 and am still doing what I want, when I want.
LOL what? Nurses make an absolute killing. You could buy in a hot market no problemo
And anyone that tells you that your ultimate financial goal is to own a home is lying to you. Buying a home is not the only investment you can make with your hard earned money..but a house will anchor you to the same location and the same job for at least the next 10 years. If you are the type of person that needs a change of scenery every once in a while..rent..don't buy.
Why do people call it "nursing school"? Is there literally a special school for nurses or something?
Also, much more difficult trying to buy a house working retail. This was a good move--meeting one goal at a time and one completed goal leading to another
This one really depends on the workplace. My first work environment was friendly on the outside, toxic on the inside (took me a while, to realise that, always thought the problem was me). My now workplace is really friendly and I made actual friends here, and, oh my, I can feel the difference.
yeah I agree ... Ive worked at some places like retail where I prob wouldnt be friends with most of the co workers outside of work bc they were either alot younger (like in their 20s when I was late 30s) usually into the partying/ drinking scene (I wasnt) and or were just b****y and backstabbers .. having said that was friends with a few that were more like me the quieter ones .. but my latest job mostly younger ones here or ones who stick to themselves (or one or 2 that are the backstabber / gossipy type) so no dont talk / hang out outside of work
Load More Replies...Yes and no. I’ve worked at places where people were genuinely nice, and places where they were thinly disguised snakes. Just don’t think of all your coworkers as family or best friends. You are actually in competition for raises and promotions, whether you’re conscious of it or not, so be cordial and professionally friendly, but be aware that things like gossiping, giving too honest an opinion of another employee or especially the boss, joking, dating coworkers, giving too many personal details about your life, acting up and drinking too much at a company party, etc, will inevitably come back to bite you on the a*s.
That's not career advice... that's just life advice... or actually a recognition of reality. With some few exceptions, at any particular job you're at long enough, many (most) of the people you get to know (well enough to hang with on occasion... what many would call "friends") will be gone in 1 to 2 years... if you haven't left by then yourself. I'm not even talking about places that are bad to work at or have a high turnover. You likely won't hear from them again. Regardless of how friendly a co-worker may be, if they and you have competing career goals, don't expect them to turn down a promotion because of your "friendship". Seen many "friendships" end because one co-worker became a supervisor and the other didn't expect them to threat them like a supervisor, and they couldn't let go of that when off work.
Opps. Should be "treat", not "threat" them like a supervisor. Although, I suppose that works too.
Load More Replies...I didn’t come here to make friends! I say during my recorded work confessional
Disagree. Coworkers are not friends. Even if you feel they are.
My coworkers get me through each day. It was horrible working places where they were not my friends. A delight working a job where they are.
I've had some great friends who were also coworkers. But it is important to know where to draw the line.
Or worse, talk about children when you don't have any. Kudos for quitting!
At one job, I took a perverse pleasure in implying that I was going to have kids. Made other folks happy and got me off the hook.
Load More Replies...Yeah ...no. Men run the chance of being condescending at the work place but women in this day and age are downright viscous and back stabby to the nth degree. I'll take being called sweetheart ( and getting away with slapping them for being sexist) over someone actively trying to undermine / sabotage me any day.
One of the pros of working in a male dominated field. That is, until you meet that one other female in it which could potentially be risker.
Load More Replies...LOL what the wut... Wonder who gave that utter bull c**p as advice was it a higher position person or family/friend?
maybe that's why i never made "real" friends at my last job...some of us aren't the coffee-klatch, gossipy-girl type
I would've replied with.."I prefer to hang out with the guys..drinking energy drinks and BSing about sports. Sometimes..I even feel the urge to scratch my privates or spit..."
That generally comes from the ones who fear new ideas, because they know they won’t be able to keep up, and will risk looking bad and losing their place as the “indispensable” person in the office who thinks the whole company will just fall apart if they’re not there. It never does, but you’ll come across a load of these people in your career.
A bunch of these are about finding work/life balances and not 'killing' yourself at work, etc. Maybe this boss really knew her stuff and was trying to give OP that kind of advice?
Exactly! This was my first thought as well. Worked for bosses like this. They wanted you to do a good job, but not at the expense of health and welfare. They wanted you to keep showing up for work. Once I got into my career, the bosses I had exemplified this attitude. If you were sick, don't come to work.
Load More Replies...Actually it meant - Your "enthusiasm" is actually frenetic, exhausts the rest of us and doesn't actually accomplish anything.
at the construction site they spell it 'Easy boy, must save some for tomorrow'
Yup! I have experience with that. I found it is because the other employees are lazy. The boss or supervisor is either not around much or lazy as well. Nope. Those companies and myself parted ways quickly. I'm here to work, not partake in drama.
My former boss was rather dim, but not stupid. He would only hire people who were less than him,(in his eyes), or total bootlickers. I knew what to do and be professional about it, and this made the boss jealous. No raises or encouragement. He didn't fire me because the shop was productive. After 12 years I moved on to a more appreciative employer and watched my former shop hit the brakes. Production dropped and deliveries slowed to a crawl. Rather than hire me back at a fair market price, they raised their prices and take six months to deliver.
I think it meant 'You're a drama queen. Tone it down, because you are annoying'
Anyone who wants to see a funny example of this, watch "Hot Fuzz" starring Simon Pegg.
There is another great story like this where a young boy was told by his career guidence teacher to give up the guitar as nobody really makes any real money playing guitar. That little boy was Mark Knophler of Dire Straits.
That's horrific!! Someone was so clueless to say, "Now that your husband is dead.." OoO
I had a couple of teenage Moms once say to me (when dropping off my sister (who was 19 then) at their group "awwwwwwwww your 26 and dont have kids thats soo saddddddddddd" like I had a terminal disease or something .. was pretty pissed off and told them "well yeah but Im 26 have 2 cars (freehold too) have my own house I own .. what do you have ? Oh yea u have a baby and a unemployed baby daddy and ya living in ya parents home .. wonderful aye ?" :V
Soooo, does long hair somehow affect ability? Is short hair a requirement for some obscure reason?
Women with short hair are perceived as more competent. There are plenty of studies on this apparently. So this advice was given with good intentions probably.
Load More Replies...As an external auditor I travel to many different small businesses with less than 100 people. I've seen CFOs of all shape, sizes, color, age and hair. My favorite is an older woman who also does oil paintings. She paints only women athlete's and they're so good the first time I thought they were photographs. She's way more talented than I'll ever be.
More than likely, she just didn’t like long hair and preferred short hair on herself. She then basically told you that unless you did things exactly like her, you were doomed for failure. She was basically a narcissist. Good you did not take her advice.
haha same. Only I am in the military and have waist length hair. Yes I put it up in regs everyday...but I still have it.
totally understand this - if you as a woman, look any bit more attractive than standard women, you will be perceived as having 0 talent and can only achieve things with your look. Our society has the standard look of successful women: boring and strict, with hair up or tied or short, no fun hair-dye for sure, and no nice glam make-up, wear pants and ugly blazers with colors like brown, navy blue, black, white...
For this advice it's usually aimed at managers. A lot of people have general problems with authority so if you moved up and became a manager, it's difficult to maintain the same friendship you had as coworkers. If you give your friend any kind of break or a special project that could be seen as "fun" then you are showing favoritism.
True and when you try to get them to do something, or try to correct their bad behavior, they blow you off because you're friends it doesn't apply to them.
Load More Replies...I'm still friends with former bosses and high school teachers all women of course.)
Some of the best friends I have ever had were co-workers! It's also how I acquired two rescue cats after my elderly alley cat passed.
I firmly believe you should not make friends with your co workers, you are just asking for trouble. If you were friends before you started working together that is one thing, but if not, don't s**t where you eat. Your work and personal life should be as separate as possible.
One of the rare exceptions I mentioned in my comments about the "your co-workers are not your friends" post.
Just because they're in the teaching profession doesn't mean they will be supportive of your dreams. You do you. To hell with anyone who says you can't be you.
I know a couple of Enviro Scientists who were not the smartest kids in school but they had passion and worked bloody hard, now they're in their dream jobs.
Well, Albert Einstein's Math teacher said he would never make it and look what he achieved.
Don’t ever listen to advice from career councilors, parents or peers. They can’t know your dreams and passions. So do what you’re passionate about and love your life. After all it’s your life. ❤️
Many horrible teachers/counselors out there. My poor brother had such a passion for sports, especially basketballm, and he was amazing at it. his coach told him he was too short and would never get pro, and it broke his spirit. He never played again
It should read,"John, science is hard. I don't understand it myself and we only teach AG science here. Please don't make me do my job."
Learn that there are ways to quit a job AND still get unemployment.
Load More Replies...I disagree with this. Not only is this unrealistic for most people, but it looks terrible on your resume. Blank spots on resumes are questionable and will make you less competitive.
But be damn sure you explain those gaps on your resume! Otherwise, when you finally start jobhunting, it’ll look like you have been fired from, or can’t commit to, a job.
omg. How can anyone afford to just jump ship without an income!? If I did this, I'd lose my house.
thats a good advice, unless you are one of lucky few that have a fallback.
Ive had to be in the position of leaving bc I had my hours cut from 40 a week to 16- 20 .. didnt have a job lined up one time took a week and last time took ovr a year to find something (1000s applying for what jobs are on offer and wasnt looking for part time / casual or temp ..) wasnt easy but wasnt worth staying esp when ya paid tax on the s****y hours ya did get .. last job most of us walked even most managers think only 3 out of 20 ppl stayed ......
Ehhh.... Creepy indeed, but! If you bake and bring cookies for everyone at work, they'll like you regardless of age, gender and work position! Because cookies. ♥
Just not your first day. It seems like a suck up move and you will not be taken seriously. Do it later on a holiday or something. Like Halloween or Flag day or something
Load More Replies...and be a good little girl and don't talk back, keep your head down and you'll get by. Yuck! Go in and do your best and don't let anyone dim that fire.
Or walk in there with full confidence, speak up when you know what you're talking about and they will think "This woman knows her stuff."
Women can do anything, usually better than the so called men out there. I actually went to Lawton School of Investigation in Detroit. I spent exactly one day there after all the hassle with loans and grants to pay for it. I checked all over the state and employers told me they would be glad to hire with that kind of school training under my belt. You know why I never stayed there? They kept telling me I had to do pushups and other such nonsense. Not for physical fitness but as a punishment or just plain whenever they wanted. I was stunned. All the times I was there touring and talking to people it was shielded so you wouldn't know about it. They said it created a Positive Mental Attitude. Bull. I'm not paying you to treat me as if I am in the army. I could see it if it was connected to physical fitness training but not because I spoke before raising my hand, etc. Utter nonsense. If they were teaching me at their own expense I might have said no problem. But I was paying them! Alot!
Two pregnancies and a plethora of doctor visits prove that I can totally pee in a bottle.
What a whole new world of carreer paths those foldable pee-aides have opened up to us!
Let me see... I recall quite a few facial hairs on more than a couple of very successful people. I absolutely loathe people who let their ignorance and racism shine.
So someone is a racist now because they didn’t approve of facial hair? Wow.
Load More Replies...Did they forget that some of the smartest people who ever lived have had the worst grades? Einstein (he had great grades but only average in physics, where he excelled as a scientist). Or maybe Thomas Edison, who has more patents than most scientists (albeit his REAL skill was business, not being one of the scientists he employed and stole from), Benjamin Franklin never even graduated high school, or Dr John Gurdon who won a Nobel prize actually had a college professor write that for him to continue to study would be a "sheer waste of time." As for the rest...yeah, not even a hit of relation to skill. Race or facial hair do not make you better or worse at leading.
OMG! I will be glad when we live in a world when people can see past the physical and focus on people based on how they treat the world around them. Stop stereotyping!!!
Racist, racist, racist! Good for you, José, for ignoring that ay-hole.
Sounds like a lot of negative bias towards your ethnicity, sorry there are still people in the world who feel that way.
Risky? What's risky? Oh wait... I get it now. Someone explain to them that "mentor" is not a sexual thing like slapping a backside. Geniuses. I'm surrounded by brain surgeons in search of a brain to call their own. LOL. Damn straight it's hogwash!
I would agree, really I would. But it only takes one person to claim sexual harassment that never occurred for that persons career to be over. The risks are MUCH higher when it is a male mentoring a female, as the legal system currently reacts to that combination more aggressively than any other. This is changing, but I can see where the "risk" isn't worth your career because of fear of being accused of something. (Cardi B is a prime example of how this is true, where she point blank said what she did and not even an investigation was started, but if she was a man she would be investigated if someone else made the accusation even if untrue). I hope that this problem gets corrected, but you get bad eggs that stop it, both in false accusations and with those who actually do something.
The person who gave this advice either had an affair or wanted to have an affair with his mentee, and was probably rebuffed at some point. Or, he could be referring to the age old sexist problem men have in the workforce with the fact that women get pregnant at some point in their lives.
Spoken like someone that made all the wrong decisions in life and is trying to drag other people down with them. F them.
I come from a family that lives to 100, so I’m planning my life around living that long. At 58, I just got my Master’s degree (in a year or so, I plan to go back for my Doctorate), and am starting a whole new career path. I don’t plan on retiring until I’m in my eighties (as long as I stay healthy)—-why spend a third of my life in retirement? Life does not, emphatically NOT, end at 50!
Most of the time advisors only have the college's or their own interests in mind. Mine tried to get me to completely change my major my senior year to make their brand new multimedia dept look good. This is a community college! If you don't need remedial classes you can easily get a scholarship and finish in two and a half years. If the two majors are closely related you can almost take all the same classes for both and save money and get permission to take more than max credit hours if needed. Now, not every one will work in silicon valley, they are ageist. But, I find that older students often have mechanical and manufacturing knowledge from working on the floor us younger people don't have. It will benefit you a ton when you find the right company.
My husband was told when he was in college that he would never be able to land a job in the tech industry without a computer science degree. Happy to say he is a self taught Web Developer (using Java, Javascript and SQL.) And that he's been employed as such for the past 15 years. He is now the senior developer at his firm.
I hear it all the time. I also see it constantly. Good for you! Another victory for critical thinking! Critical thinkers don't get Darwin Awards.
Life is a jungle... but it isn't necessary to intentionally work towards screwing anyone over in order to succeed/get ahead. Barring nepotism, etc., simply be the best at the job. The cheetah doesn't screw over the lion because the cheetah is better at getting the gazelle. Some may think so, but being the best at something is not screwing over someone else.
I worked at a video game call center in my early 20's. I thought it was going to be the best job in the world. But after a few months, you get this personality that emerges where all your bosses tell you to assume the other person on the end of the phone is most likely lying. We are told that management doesn't care about the quality of or calls, just how fast we can process high call volumes by patting people on the head and sending them away. And how upper management tells the call center reps that any complaints will be met with termination because they can "always hire a green person that they can pay half the wages to." I got out of there in a hurry.
Good for you! In my case I refused to take credit for my troops success (in civilian terms, my team with me as the manager) and step on them to better myself. This prevented me from getting promoted, and I later changed careers. (of note, there were other minor issues too which resulted in the decision to move on)
Ahh. Good old critical thinking. I really miss the days when everyone possessed it. Did you know it's on the endangered species list? But hey, look at who we have as president!
lol so is common sense, although I guess even that varies by the culture someone was raised in. IE: the political reference here bashing our president (whether you voted for him or not) has zero relation to this otherwise accurate and somewhat humorous post.
Load More Replies...History degrees have one the highest employment potential after college, just you wont be doing history, very few jobs in history but your skills in research, writing and analysis is valuable in many fields. Very good earning potential, very good starting pay, and a dozens of professions and fields to work in for a variety of industries.
Yessss! I hear this all the time too. Degrees are more than just job training courses.
I was also told by a professor that if you have a degree in history paired with a degree in Political Science..you can work for the CIA....
I'd like to see the ratio of men to women who have heard this advice. I'd bet more women are told this c**p.
Agreed. However, I think more men are starting to realize the importance of family. I flat out refused to work more than 40 hours a week and don't shy from taking two weeks off for Christmas each year.
Load More Replies...Usually, I find two things about people that say you have to choose career or family..that both are not possible. First, they have been divorced or never married. Second, that they lack both the intelligence and forward thinking to balance both.
Lmao yea until the lay offs come and then family is all you have left. Family (biological or self-selected) and love are the most meaningful things to have in life. Work is just work. Don't let capitalism brainwash you.
If you have a family, and you don't put them first, you're a terrible human being, and you don't deserve your family.
I used to be asked in interviews if I was married and had kids. It was tempting to answer, "Yes, but don't worry, my husband's in jail and the kids are in foster homes."
Just because someone is single doesnt mean at all, that they said you shouldnt value your family. In a normal case everyone, also singles, have a family!
Load More Replies...Ha! I've gotten the opposite career advice. I mean, "we", it was something a professor told the class. Something like "do not stay at the same workplace for 10 years / do not accept a 10 year contract - it's a waste of life, you have to gain various kinds of experience." I think, in the end, it all depends on the individual and the job(s) they do.
Both approaches are perfectly sound. I know many people who have been quite successful as entrepreneurs and many people who succeeded as 20-, 30- and even 40-year career employees. And I know a few failures from both camps as well. You need to start with an honest assessment of who you are so you can align yourself with the best fit.
Load More Replies...That's old world thinking when employers used to pay 100% of medical and had good pensions. Now no one cares about their employees.
After decades in one field, I switched gears, and went for my passion. On my 3rd day, I was named in a positive online review for my company. This week I start giving public speeches in connection with my industry. My previous jobs gave me the skills needed for all I'm doing now.
With the way the workforce is going stability like this will not be a thing anymore. There won't be the idea of working at a company for 25 years straight and retiring. So, it's better to keep moving ahead and finding work you like.
If you can turn your avocation into a vocation, more power to you! Just don’t end up a 30-something living in your Mom’s basement.
If you are a 30 something living with your mom, just make sure you're not a freeloader.
Load More Replies...Before you turn your hobby into a business, take a business class first. How good you are, isn't going to market your business alone.
Exactly! Whether it's a better mousetrap (or a baseball field), just because you build it doesn't mean people will beat a path to your door. They have to know about it. Back before electronic communications, people at least put a sign above their door.
Load More Replies...As long as you are fully aware of the ramifications, chase away my friend. I always looked down on dream smashers and nay sayers. Doom and gloom just because they are unhappy, or think they know it all.
I want to know what this comment is useful for. First off, are you questioning ALL Psychology PhD's or just one's that focus on lesbianism? Secondly, a PhD in a given field can be a very detailed study of a very specific subject, so no, it's NOT sexist to just focus on lesbianism, if OP had psychological hypotheses that apply to only lesbians. I imagine there are theses that focused solely on homosexual males.
Load More Replies...I was told my math skills were so poor I would never be able to work in computer industry. Wrong. Glad I never listened.
This is the kind of stuff that should be reported to the school officials. I am sure they would be horrified to learn their teachers are telling this to students.
I read that as "don't waste your time educating... fellows, NPC's,..." which made me think "well of course not". Hm.
I'm pursuing a science degree in hopes of becoming a PA. Fully supported and encouraged by the 4 doctors I used to secretary for. Their encouragement helped me follow my dreams even tho I'm in my mid forties
I love doctors like you and would readily be your patient. It would be obvious that you love your job and are willing to listen to others.
Load More Replies...Right on, sister! I personally have found the most rewarding things I've done have been out of love. Love for my brothers and sisters and love for what I am doing.
Why? Because you couldn't possibly handle coming to work and actually putting forth effort? Don't listen to that advice.
I feel sorry for the people who give such advice as all of the above. They must be very unhappy souls.
I would re-word that. You are very ambitious, keep it up but dont expect the desired results on the first try. (or, expect to fail a few times before you get it right, something to that effect. Not to quit, not to accept a lower standard, but to expect it to take effort and time)
Great advice if you are in a fox hole. Bad advice for the workplace.
I think this was good advice at one point in time (60s, 70s, maybe even into the 80s), because that was all I heard from older generations when I was applying to colleges - "It doesn't matter what your degree is in. As long as you have a degree, you'll be able to get a job." But that hasn't been the case for a long time now.
That's because EVERYONE has a degree in something.
Load More Replies...A school with good job placement is sometimes much better, even if you don't get the degree and it's a recession. Just make sure the degree is actually in demand first.
If you are just starting out, find an employer who offers tuition subsidies as a benefit and let them help pay your way through school. Many government jobs do this. Choose a school that offers some classes online so you can get your degree evenings and weekends. Then that becomes a stepping stone for better opportunities later on. Don’t fall into the trap of going deeply into debt for a degree from a “prestigious” institution, thinking that will pay for itself because it likely won’t.
Those comments burn me up every time I hear them. Don't you believe it! Never believe anything that makes you basically a mute slave.
I work in a call center. I’ve seen 3 people get transferred the entire 4 years I’ve been there. (It’s convenient with my school schedule otherwise I’d be looking for a new job myself.)
Can't get a job in animation? There are whole networks that show only animation! Never let anyone dictate to you.
I put in for a promotion at work and my sister (who works at the same place) told me not to get my hopes up because I had not worked here long enough and much more experienced people applied. She also told this to my whole family and my parents told me not to be disappointed if I don't get it. I was going to withdraw from the interviews but my husband said "Screw them, you are good enough! Go for it!" I did and I got the job! My whole family was shocked that I got it and I decided then and there to follow my dreams no matter how much of a "long shot" they might be.
My dad was the opposite. He had his own business and encouraged us to do the same.
well i don't think you have to accept it, but i do think you have to recognize that sometimes the reason you're not promoted, not making what you should be, not ontime, etc isn't because you're not doing your best. you can work as hard and well as possible, and still be blocked by someone with more resources than you, whether those resources are money or power or seniority. you don't have to accept it, you should leave or fight back or something, but you do have to recognize it so you don't doubt your own worth/knowledge/experience
I have been told many times to change who I am that people see my passion for a projects as intimidating. Unfortunately I listened and now I am battling a severe round of anxiety and depression and have lost who I was. I was funny, outgoing, friendly and not afraid to take chances. I wish I had just walked away from those who gave me that advice.
Hope you find yourself again soon, keep looking, you're not far away x
Load More Replies...You have to go straight to college after you graduate. If you don't you'll be behind all your life. Told to me by everyone. I started college when I was 23, got my MBA at 30 and now make just as much if not more than most people my age. For those 5 years I lived on my own working in the kitchen. Found myself and found a women who complements me so well we could be twins. Been married for 10 years in December and we both still make each other ugly laugh daily.
"Don't work for peanuts" in my opinion the job should come first money second I'm not denying myself a great job opportunity because they pay low
As an artist, my worst advice I received was that I had to " pay my dues" and do the most demeaning and badly paid jobs in order to gain experience... Doing unskilled work while my skills and education were ignored only served to push my confidence down, leading me to believe that my work wasn't "good enough" ( I now realize that the artist I was working for was probably envious of my skills and threatened. He eliminated me by destroying my confidence)
Unfortunately, I was told I wasn’t good enough in math to be a veterinarian,. I’ve been an entrepreneur instead, but I always regretted not at least trying to become a veterinarian. My math was good enough to start three successful companies.
I remember the horrible days I worked at an A&W fast food chain. The supervisor was a bitter old man who was an absolute horror or an individual. One day he told me I would never be able to do anything better than that job there flipping burgers lol Now I work in an ER and love my job!
I just had a professor that told me that doing an internship is key to getting a job..that people with 4.0 gpas can sometimes not get a job snatched up by a 3.0 student that did an internship that looked better on their resume. Then..two days later...I'm reading a chapter out of the book he assigned for the class that says "Many companies aren't even looking at resumes anymore..but are putting forth quizzes and tests to see if the person will be a good fit for the culture of the company and their job." Uhm..excuse me?
I have been told many times to change who I am that people see my passion for a projects as intimidating. Unfortunately I listened and now I am battling a severe round of anxiety and depression and have lost who I was. I was funny, outgoing, friendly and not afraid to take chances. I wish I had just walked away from those who gave me that advice.
Hope you find yourself again soon, keep looking, you're not far away x
Load More Replies...You have to go straight to college after you graduate. If you don't you'll be behind all your life. Told to me by everyone. I started college when I was 23, got my MBA at 30 and now make just as much if not more than most people my age. For those 5 years I lived on my own working in the kitchen. Found myself and found a women who complements me so well we could be twins. Been married for 10 years in December and we both still make each other ugly laugh daily.
"Don't work for peanuts" in my opinion the job should come first money second I'm not denying myself a great job opportunity because they pay low
As an artist, my worst advice I received was that I had to " pay my dues" and do the most demeaning and badly paid jobs in order to gain experience... Doing unskilled work while my skills and education were ignored only served to push my confidence down, leading me to believe that my work wasn't "good enough" ( I now realize that the artist I was working for was probably envious of my skills and threatened. He eliminated me by destroying my confidence)
Unfortunately, I was told I wasn’t good enough in math to be a veterinarian,. I’ve been an entrepreneur instead, but I always regretted not at least trying to become a veterinarian. My math was good enough to start three successful companies.
I remember the horrible days I worked at an A&W fast food chain. The supervisor was a bitter old man who was an absolute horror or an individual. One day he told me I would never be able to do anything better than that job there flipping burgers lol Now I work in an ER and love my job!
I just had a professor that told me that doing an internship is key to getting a job..that people with 4.0 gpas can sometimes not get a job snatched up by a 3.0 student that did an internship that looked better on their resume. Then..two days later...I'm reading a chapter out of the book he assigned for the class that says "Many companies aren't even looking at resumes anymore..but are putting forth quizzes and tests to see if the person will be a good fit for the culture of the company and their job." Uhm..excuse me?
