“Office’s Stairs Are See-Thru”: 29 Things That Make Offices Uncomfortable For Women
The average person spends about one third of their lifetime at work. So if there’s anything that makes you feel uncomfortable in your work environment, that can take a huge toll on you. It's not easy to do a great job when your fingers are numb from a freezing cold office, and your feet are constantly aching from being required to wear heels. There are plenty of things that can affect how "at home" you feel in the office, especially if you’re a woman…
Women have been detailing on Reddit all of the small things that can go a long way in making a workplace feel less hostile, and every CEO should be taking notes. From making parents’ lives easier to providing sanitary products in the restrooms, we’ve gathered the most spot-on responses down below. Keep reading to also find an interview with Miki Feldman Simon, founder of IamBackatWork, and be sure to upvote the replies you agree with.
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Please no required heels!
I wish I could upvote this comment a million more times!
Load More Replies...Urghh. I work for an airline where we are required to wear heels once off the aircraft. Sometimes I walk 17000 steps during a flight and have been awake 24+ hours. The last thing I want to do is change from flat shoes into heels just to preserve an apparent look I’m supposed to be projecting to literally no one that gives a s**t in the airport.
Like dealing with the pain of putting up with all the crazy and entitled people on the plane isn't enough, then you have to add the pain of heels. That's really unfair.
Load More Replies...To a point. My company does need to have a dress code, since someone once thought it would be a good idea to wear crocs. On a construction site.
Load More Replies...Hopefully not much any more! (I'm sure it was standard back in the 50's/60's) I could see a company getting sued for requiring heels - they are terrible for your feet and can cause injuries. Back in the late 90's I worked in a hotel where female employees were not allowed to wear pants. We always had to have a dress or skirt and pantyhose. It was all because the CEO was a misogynistic Neanderthal.
Load More Replies...To gain more insight on this topic, we reached out to Miki Feldman Simon. Miki is an Executive Coach and the founder of IamBackatWork, which was created to empower people with practical advice, tools and skills to accelerate their personal and professional growth. Lucky for us, Miki was kind enough to have a chat with Bored Panda about the ways in which workplaces often prioritize the desires of men over the concerns and needs of women.
"We see this in simple things like office temperature, often set to be way too cold for women, or fun activities aimed towards men, like football games or social events held after office hours when women often need to be home to care for their kids," Miki shared. "Systemically, men are often given more opportunities for career advancement and higher salaries, while women face challenges such as gender-based discrimination, unequal pay, and a lack of support for family responsibilities."
Eliminate sexist jokes from the workplace. Stop saying periods are disgusting and inappropriate when you’re a 35 year old male supervisor.
And please don’t patronize a 50 year old woman by calling her pet nicknames. It’s not cute Or Sweet or endearing. It’s insulting. We worked hard to attain the position that we are in the same as you. Please show us some respect as we do you.
If everyone gets a nickname, and you refuse to have one, they'll just call you somethiing worse behind your back. Male or female. As long as it's not inappropriate/sexist.
Load More Replies...I was given raunchy gay male porn print outs in my mails box ... The mail co worker still works there and I don't.. I'm a married mother of twins.. my husband is also assistant director at same college. But I'm not longer working.
Seriously, this is just a natural part of being female, and, it sounds like he has major issues with women….
In America, we have laws to protect us from that, and from retaliation if we complain.
And tons of employers never get that message. Signed, someone who filed a sexual harassment complaint after ten years of working at the company, and was fired two months later without being told a reason why.
Load More Replies...I had this lady once, she was a "team leader", not a good one. She always made those sexist jokes like "men with a slight fever feel like they are about to die" etc. She was the only one laughing. So lame!
LOL - have you ever taken care of a sick man? She's not wrong. :) But you're right that it's not appropriate to talk like that to your employees.
Load More Replies...I wish, just for a couple of months, men leaked blood (sometimes chunky blood) from their d*cks, starting in the middle of an important management meeting. Then had absolutely crippling cramps, migraines and sudden acne breakouts. Bet it would shut them the f*ck up.
Regarding the picture, dude you either put that pencil away from my face and back the fudge off or I'm shoving it where the sun don't shine!
My old job had a box of good-to-have stuff in ALL restrooms. They were unisex, so there was both tampons, pads, pantyliners, spray deodorant in two different fragrances ("male" and "female"), hairspray, dental floss sticks and such.
T'was a good thing.
What am I missing here? Why would this make someone uncomfortable as title suggest? Is it because unisex bathrooms? Or is this just misplaced post for this collection?
Looks like misplaced, but don't fear, this title will likely change three times and people will be like "what the heck are these people talking about"
Load More Replies...That's great, but highly unlikely in most positions due to theft and abuse. We don't live in the same world we used to.
Depends where you live. During the pandemic I saw someone hang a few bags of groceries on their gate with a little sign "Take if you NEED it." I was sure it would be gone later, perhaps to someone who didnt need it. When I passed later there were five more bags. Other people had brought more stuff. Humans are awesome sometimes.
Load More Replies...Most office places with more than a few people wouldn't do this, as people just take it. During covid, the work place supplied wipes, sanitiser and masks. They literally walked out of the place by the box. They had to lock the stationery/supplies cupboard. Same with Coffee, sugar and tea. It was ridiculous.
"I always had extra layers at the office to account for freezing temperatures," Miki told Bored Panda. "As the only woman in the management team, I would often feel like an outsider when the discussion would revolve around sports. For years, I had to decline the drinks after work and go home to my kids. The men bonded and built deeper relationships. They all had kids at home too. It was their wives responsibility to be there for them."
Make it easier for women to take sick time for reproductive health issues. I've dealt with fibroids for years now and it would've been nice if I felt comfortable enough on my worse days to take time off to rest.
Don't assign a woman the social tasks of the office unless she volunteers to. Not every woman wants to keep track of birthdays, bridal showers and baby showers.
Exactly. If a man has to deal with endometriosis or complex endometrial hyperplasia….then I will put a warm blankie on them, make a cup of tea and offer some Tylenol. Until then, be patient With us. Not to be gross but when a woman goes thru partial menopause for 18 months, then after a biopsy it starts up again. You can NOT leave your house. You need to be five feet from a restroom every hour all day long for at least a week. The body is shedding 18 months worth of very thick liver sized pieces of tissue all in the span of a week. It’s painful, gross and we don’t want to go thru it. And there are SO MANY other complex problems with our reproductive system that can and usually does go wrong. Many of us deal with this agony for years and sometimes our own husbands can’t quite grasp how frustratingly painful it can be. Let alone HR or our boss.
I fully agree that no-one should have to sit at work uncomfortable, in pain, or in fear of embarrassment. And I don't know what the solution is. I run a small business. I need a person for a particular task. If I have 3 cubic metres of concrete coming at 10am, that needs to be spread before it becomes unworkable. And I can't put it off till tomorrow because the bricklayer is due to start. I need the job done now, without question or risk of absence. I honestly understand the predicament, and when my mother went through the same thing, I cooked, cleaned, looked after my little brother while she was recovering from a hysterectomy. It's where I got my love of cooking. And I don't want my hiring practices to be discriminatory. It's difficult for smaller businesses, no matter how compassionate. As someone who is articulate and thoughtful, I'd really appreciate what you think. It's not a problem I have today, but it's one that bothers me.
Load More Replies...How about we stop doing social tasks in the office. If you know when my birthday is, it's because we're already friends, and not just coworkers. I think it's okay to be coworkers, I like my coworkers. But I don't need somebody to organize social events for us, like we all need mommy to set up a playdate. Somebody has a baby, that person's boss can arrange a congratulations gift.
My ex boss tried to assign me the task of cold calling people and going door to door to drum up business because they thought they'd respond well to a young woman (not a task in the scope of what I was hired to do). I'm the very last person you want talking to people and I firmly don't believe in soliciting. I think it's rude and disrespectful of people's places of business and their time. I did not go door to door or cold call and I ended up quitting shortly after.
ask a man about kidney stones. that can last for weeks and is extremely painful. For me it was worth it to have surgery for endometriosis and had them take out that pesky uterus too. It was major surgery but it pays for itself when you no longer need a feminine products. Why suffer?
We can't ask for equality and then ask for this, though. Sick days should be allowed for both without worrying about being fired, and both should be assigned social tasks. Or hey have a male and female work on a social task together. Makes the outcome more fun for both..
I don't think it's an issue of asking for MORE. I think if a man should be able to get a sick day because they threw out there back (which I've done and it's super painful), then a woman should be able to get a sick day because she's having an exceptionally painful period. My wife had dysmenorrhea, and her cramps could get so bad that she would pass out, vomit, or both. Luckily she no longer has this issue, and instead has hot-flashes and cold sweats.
Load More Replies...Not sure it is legal to inquire beyond "medical\ health issue" unless it is impacting performance. At least in us.
Why are women being assigned social tasks at all? Me and my female coworkers are never trying to invite each other to baby showers or bridal showers. Our relationship is work, strictly work. We wouldn't have met otherwise and certainly are friends now. But not those kind of friends.
Why do there need to be social tasks in an office? Don’t I clock in for a paycheck, not a party? Don’t even invite me cause I’m not going.
Easy access to a bathroom. Meaning no asking for a key or having to ask people before going to the bathroom. Also a trash can right next to the toilet and maybe some emergency period products
Totally illegal under Fair Work laws in my country.
Load More Replies...Asking for a key is weird. That's not something I've heard of in a workplace. Period products will only be free when it is free to get, so that just won't happen.
You pay for toilet paper in your workplace? Or do you have to bring your own? Or does the employer pay for it as part of the normal expectation of running a business?
Load More Replies.........no trashcans in a bathroom? What kind of ghetto places where people have been working where there's no trashcan (man or woman's)? What workplace doesn't provide paper towels to dry your hands? You expected to bring your own towels from home to dry your hands?
When it comes to what workplaces should be doing to ensure that women feel comfortable, Miki says they should assess where they are not meeting women’s needs and where they are not providing equal opportunities. "They should prioritize diversity and inclusion initiatives, such as offering flexible work arrangements, providing equal pay for equal work, addressing gender-based discrimination and harassment, providing access to leadership and mentorship opportunities for women, and offering family-friendly policies such as parental leave and child care support," she told Bored Panda.
If someone is talking down to your coworkers/employees for being a woman, support them.
I had a customer insult my knowledge because I'm a woman. So my male coworker bartender went to serve them. He played dumb to the questions, asked me and repeated the answer I gave him which I said loud enough for the person to hear came from my mouth first.
That gained all my love and respect because most places are like you're in customer service "deal with it". Here the customer isn't always right and they don't get to treat people like punching bags.
Had our IT department do it more than once. I was a new hire, but knew quite a bit about computers. We needed a tech to come out and repair a computer. The guy on the phone had the manager in tears. I took over the phone call and told him what was done and what we needed (I kind of went off on him) and he said they would send a tech. I slammed the phone in his ear without even saying goodbye... another time a different person with the same IT department asked MY BOSS if there was a male manager available. I told her she needed to report it. She was a very intimidating manager, but she refused to do it. I wish she had, those a******s deserved to be fired.
I’ve had a lot of “Sweetie, go ask Daddy” situations. For these moments, I am super glad I was as nasty as warranted. Also glad for support from all colleagues of all genders who would dress down the lae sexist a-holes.
Load More Replies...Once, when I was counting the inventory at my workplace, one sales guy told me in a very condescending tone that I should be smart and use the scanner and not count manually. We are a small business and don't have a scanner for counting inventory. So I said "Great Idea" and asked one of my colleagues to "please hand me the scanner". I hoped he would then announce, that we do not have one but he did something even better. He handed me a broken mobile phone from about 30 years ago and I proceeded to trie to scan the item with that brick of a phone only to announce that the scanner is broken and I need to count manually. Loved it, that my male colleague helped me making fun of that AH
Why TF do customers act like they are your masters and you are their slaves just because you work in customer service? That term should be eliminated as it just creates pompous entitlement! Should rename it "customer management" because many times you have to manage AHs.
The wording of that first sentence makes it sound like you should support the person doing the down-talking. :-)
This is dumb as hell but my office’s stairs are see-thru because I’m in billing for EnGiNeEriNg, so folks wearing dresses to go upstairs have to be clever about how they do it.
No one likes these, but not everything needs to be illegal
Load More Replies...I wear shorts whenever I wear skirts/dresses, so this wouldn't affect me, but I know that it's still an invasion of privacy.
Bad idea? Yes. Illegal? No. There are tons of options that won't have you flashing your coworkers: trousers, underwear that's almost like bike shorts (a godsend in summer, let me tell you!), cullottes, skirts knee length or longer, pencil skirts, skorts. Don't start yelling at me about "It's my right...." There are a plethora of choices out there - some will be more comfortable than others. You get to choose. I just think those stairs are stupid as hell because any leather soled shoe can slip on that surface....
Off topic, but thank you for using the word plethora. It means a lot.
Load More Replies...bet if some dude started wearing kilts to work that would be changed real quick
Grated stairs are a no-go for me, I have a fear of heights and it's nearly impossible to go over the second floor.
Load More Replies...Designers and architects who don't wear skirts don't think of these problems when building things like this. This is why diversity of input is important for all projects.
This is terrifying. My acrophobia is having hissy fits at the picture alone. No way I'd climb those stairs. I'd be stuck like a cat in a tree. Elevator, where's the elevator?
The corporate headquarters of Trans America Glass had 4 stories of glass stairs. I never considered someone looking up my skirt, I was more worried about the vertigo I was feeling.
"It's essential for everyone to feel equally included in their work environment because it leads to greater job satisfaction, higher levels of employee engagement and productivity, and a more positive workplace culture overall," Miki added. "A workplace that values diversity and inclusion benefits everyone, not just women, by creating a more supportive and collaborative environment."
There’s been stories of women being fired from their office jobs for refusing to wear make up or heels to work, which obviously has no effect on how they work
Women have a higher rate of accidental injuries on the job. It is not in high risk jobs that require safety gear. It is in office settings and it is entirely due to high heels. My personal opinion is that high heels should be somewhat discouraged in the office, but not enforced either way.
Load More Replies...This should be illegal. It should be illegal to discriminate against anyone for choosing to wear make up, or not wear it.
That would be Awesome! Your comment gave me visions of our overly-macho CEO done up like Ru Paul. I would pay to see *that*! Thanks for the giggle! 😂
Load More Replies...I haven't worn makeup to work in months - mostly because I don't have time in the morning and also I suck at makeup. Thankfully nobody cares because we have a glorious mix of uber makeup queens, makeup free queens, and our bosses know our work output is not linked to the amount of foundation we wear.
Yes! The bra comes off as soon as I walk in the door, before any other stitch of clothing & even before my shoes. Yes, boys, it's a magic trick most gals know (b/c we really are all witches). 😆
Load More Replies...But accurate. Uses to send out temp workers, had one company call and complain about a person not wearing makeup, wanted her replaced. Refused, found them a better assignment.
Load More Replies...But if we don't look pretty, how can we possibly be good at our jobs? /s
No heels for me. Since Covid my sense of balance is way off kilter. It's hard enough to walk without high heels to make it worse. Flat shoes with a good arch support and my cane. Anyone doesn't like it, tough.
Depends on the workplace. If you are in the front of the office, PR, and see clients, etc they should dress up more than the schlumps in the back. They represent the company. I've never seen anyone told to wear makeup. As long as they are clean and don't smell bad.
I agree. If you're the "face" of your company you should do your best to represent them by dressing/acting the part.
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Women in power putting down the rest of us and acting like snakes, this is not a competition, we dont want your place, we just want to get our coin without feeling the need to cry over a toxic environment other women create. We are in this together, its already hard to live in a mens world, why some women feel the need to make it harder.
Sadly, I truly believe this is less about pride and more that they had to be that way to get to that space, and it's hard to unlearn. Our office is women-owned so thankfully we don't have that, but we work with a lot of offices where it took years for the women we worked with to treat us as human, and almost always it was because the woman was in a male-dominant field. As we got to know them, you wouldn't believe some of the things they had been through. Now when a woman looks down on me It's so much easier to not take it personally. Doesn't make it ok, just makes it easier to look past.
I was just having this conversation with my mother. She's a retired doctor and college professor. My younger brother is dating a woman with a PhD in Artificial Intelligence. My mom was telling me how happy she was to hear that this young woman was going out to get hair and makeup done for her friend's wedding, with a bunch of coworkers. My mom said that when she was working, she had to eschew anything that could be considered feminine or nobody would take her seriously.
Load More Replies...Others in my profession may downvote me, but this has been my experience in the amazing hospital I worked in in a Dallas. At first, when the hospital I worked at opened, it was all female nurses, and actually we were good to each other. Then they started hiring male nurses and things did change. It added some new points of view to things. If we had an intimidating male patient that was particularly abusive, they get assigned a male nurse. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but it still is. That ends and they won’t haul off and punch a male nurse. They bring a different atmosphere to an emergency. I found that adding men changed everything, for the better. But, like I said, that was my experience. Others may have had a different one. Please don’t downvote, just explain yours.
"We all need to be invested in making a change and creating an environment that is just as welcoming to women as it is to men," Miki says. "In addition to workplace policies, it's essential for individuals to be aware of their own biases and to actively work to create a more inclusive workplace culture. Everyone can play a role in promoting diversity and inclusion by listening to diverse perspectives, respecting differences, and challenging stereotypes and biases."
If you'd like to learn more about Miki or gain some guidance for how to further your own career, be sure to visit IamBackatWork right here.
I'm just going to be THAT PERSON: the best thing to make it inclusive is openness about and equality in regards with pay.
I agree, Fear no reprisal, because in the US at least, it is illegal for any company to forbid salary discussion with coworkers. It is also illegal for them to attempt to put that in any kind of employment contract unless you are 1099. If they retaliate, you have a wrongful termination or other suit. No, "Right to Work" laws do not apply when the company violates labor laws.
Load More Replies...I saw a Tweet recently that said: Instead of having a gender reveal party, just put some money in an envelope. If it's $1, it's a boy. If it's 75¢ it's a girl. What a brilliant analogy that highlights the stark inequality of the workplace. Equal workload/responsibilities = equal pay. There's absolutely no excuse for this in 2023.
Here in Germany most industries have salaries set by wage contracts that regulate the hourly wage based on time working for the company, qualifications and job position. Those contracts are negotiated by the unions for that industry and make no distinction between genders. Of course a company can pay more, but most just use the default contract
That's why I love being part of a union here in Canada. Pay is negotiated for the classification of the position. You get X amount to start, it goes up a level every year and doesn't matter who works in the position. The collective agreement gets renewed with new pay, everyone gets the pay bump. Yes it does cap out at a certain point, but you go up a classification, you go up to the new payscale.
Load More Replies...The post about how no safety equipment fits? That it's all too big? Your comment doesn't make sense.
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If there is a dresscode, make it universal. Same rules for all.
Very simple example of a universal dress code: Comfortable, clean shoes, pants of any type, shorts/skirts must go past the knee, no tank tops/camisoles/undershirts as shirts and no hats. it's so easy even i can do it and im just a flavoring bro
I think you just answered your own question. Don't enforced gendered clothing (ties for men, heels for women). A simple indication of colour, coverage, and hygene expectations is more than enough.
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A clean place for pumping! Telling a lot woman she needs to pump in the bathroom stall definitely creates an unwelcome feeling.
And it’s unsanitary! How would they feel if they were diabetic and told that checking glucose levels and administer insulin should be done in the restroom?
Or better yet tell them to go eat in the bathroom since that's where they expect a BABY's food to be pumped at
Load More Replies...In France, you have the right to pump/breastfeed until the child's first birthday. Following how big is your company, it's 1h paid time to go home everyday or the obligation of having a dedicated room.
With a door that locks from the inside. No converted closets that someone keeps "forgetting" is the where copy is kept anymore
make them eat and prepare their lunch in the toilet, they don't want to... Neither does a baby...
Happily, in Australia, by law, wherever the woman wants to , breastfeeding, or pump, their milk supply. Should be the same everywhere, hopefully oneday...or men start lactating
Well if the IT dept in the international company I work for, where every new employee has to go to get their laptop, could take down the calendars (plural) featuring naked women, that would be great (yea, i already filed a complaint, call me a stuck-up bi*ch)
Easy solution - put up posters of your topless favourite male actors. Make them beer-bellied old dudes insecure! ;)
Most men wouldn't care honestly, it's usually that women in a company just don't hang up such posters / calendars. (Personally I don't understand the necessity of such things being at the workplace)
Load More Replies...One place where I used to work, the men kept putting up topless posters despite being asked not to. So we women went around with sharpies and drew high necked blouses on all the posters. The guys soon got the message and stopped.
That is 100% a very very few places thing. And by few, I mean yours lol..
Temperature in the office must be suitable for everybody. Very often women and their health suffer because the temperature in offices is set to accommodate the male body.
A period products dispenser in the ladies‘ toilets is always welcome.
Ceasing to treat women like informal secretaries would make a difference. No, Cassie doesn’t have to write the protocol to the meeting. Neither should Jenny be responsible with organizing the team building or office party. Samantha doesn’t have to gather the money for Chris‘ birthday present and spend her own personal time buying his gift on behalf of the team just because „she’s really good at it.“
IMO office temp should always be slightly cooler. It's more appropriate to put on layers than it is to take off layers. Err...so I'm told at least!
Menopausal chicks like me would celebrate, for sure! Thank goodness for my tiny fan that plugs into my PC. But if anyone turns up the heat, I'm gonna be in trouble.
Load More Replies...Rubbish. Everyone knows offices only have two temperature settings - too high and too low
Yeah, the heat is on during the summer and the AC is on during the winter
Load More Replies...I don't think temperatures will ever not be a problem. We all have preferences. I prefer 60, 62 max lol
Not a spokesman, just a user. There is a device called Embr Wave. It was created to help office workers feel more comfortable due to the temperature of an office. The device deceives the body into feeling warmer or colder. It is now marketed as a way to help relieve the symptoms of menopause.
Interesting! I’m sending this link to my mother because I am sick 👏🏻 and 👏🏻 tired 👏🏻 of going to her house and shivering cuz it’s 67°.
Load More Replies...What is this magic temperature that is suitable for everybody? I have female colleagues going through menopause or dressing modestly and prefer temperatures colder than I will like - I just layer up.
At a sales/strategy meeting (I was senior staff, but the only woman in attendance) I was asked to take notes. I said "No, but I think Jeremy's handwriting is quite nice". Dead silence while it dawned on all the men what a big mistake the presenter had made. Jeremy not only took notes, but he made sure we all had coffee or water. I gave him 4 stars come review time.
Not so much that the AC is set for male bodies, but that those male bodies are forced to wear suits. Just let people wear normal clothes.
Making things that actually fit.
I work construction. We're given protective gear and most of it is too big for the women on site, and all the while they tell you that wearing baggy clothing is dangerous. We're all given rain gear and they have sizes up to 4xl but they don't buy smalls, so mine doesn't fit. They don't order small gloves. They don't order small harnesses. They gave us all congratulatory jackets for reaching a particular milestone. Mine is too big.
It seems small but it turns into a nagging reminder that you don't belong and that "this place isn't made for you"
Just making sure that you have access to the right equipment goes miles and i think people will do a better job when they feel heard and respected. How can i expect to do a good job when my gloves don't even fit properly?
I used to run a propane torch. We were given welding jackets for protection. The smallest size they had was XXL. I looked like a little girl wearing daddy's work clothes lol
I absolutely agree! I'm an EMT and trying to find GOOD gear designed for women in reasonable prices is crazy. I also struggle finding work boots and work gloves that fit correctly. Drives me crazy
Call OSHA, providing the correct safety gear is part of the employers responsibility, several thousand dollars in fines will get their attention.
OH! My friend has a solution to this very problem. As an engineer she couldn't find proper fitting safety overalls. She created her own and now has a new business. Helgawear.com Check it out and insist on it in your workplace :)
I think you have to cut the construction industry a bit of slack here. Women have only been on building sites relatively recently and a lot of the older guys just aren't used to it yet. They forget about the small stuff that, while nothing to them, would make such a difference to your working life. I worked in the industry when I was in my early 20s (as a PA in the office) and I was treated absolutely appallingly just because I was a woman. I'd never been treated like that in my life and most nights, I'd go home crying. I sincerely hope that the industry does a lot better by you.
Shouldn't OSHA be doing something about this? Safety is safety regardless of a person's size. Not all construction guys are big, muscular, or obese. I've seen plenty of short stringy guys on construction sites that can do the work well. I do understand that some equipment has to be made specially because women's proportions are different than men's, but only carrying 4xl and nothing smaller is either lazy or they are trying to send a message.
Load More Replies...Clothes needs to allow for women's broader hips, too. I have a jacket with the company name on the back, but in order to have one big enough to fit me and my hips, I have to roll up the arms five times.
Here in the US at least, that is what OSHA is for. File a complaint. They will come out and investigate as long as a least one piece of equipment is safety-related or impacts your safety on the job site. You could also look up the OSHA requirements and present your findings to management first. They should want to order the proper size and fit or any injury is 100% their liability and they will lose any injury claim, disability claim, or liability lawsuit.
It’s all the behaviour of men so I don’t know how to change that but the small things I would love to see go, are:
- being called “love” “sweetheart” or “darling” by my older male co-workers
- being touched on the waist in order to get my attention rather than tapping my shoulder or calling my name
- male bosses casually referring to their “b***h” ex wives and their “whore” ex girlfriends to the other men in the room while I have to pretend I’m not there
- when a department that has a female boss or a mostly female team is doing something and it’s “the girls are doing their thing” but every other department is “the team working hard”.
- all the older women in work being mocked and told they’re “getting too old for this job” by men that aren’t that much younger than them
- everything to do with cleaning and tidiness is left for female colleagues, even if it isn’t their job.
- male colleagues coming to ask for advice and emotional support and to listen to their problems but never returning that effort or offering a real friendship. Basically being their free therapist. And if you don’t want to listen, you’re a “cold b***h”.
- when a woman is hard to work with or bad at her job, there’s a smugness amongst the men because they see it as evidence that women aren’t up for the higher positioned jobs.
- when a woman gets promoted, I have to hear all the men have conversations about how she only got it because she’s a woman
- when I make complaints about co-worker harassing me, I’m told to “talk it out” with them, as if I’m the one making a problem.
- co-workers that are old enough to be my dad, staring at my chest non stop and everyone defending him because “he’s a laugh”.
Oh my God, run from that toxic environment. It’s going to seriously affect your mental health.
That sounds like a very toxic work environment, even I as guy wouldn't want to work there
None of this is okay. Any one thing is a good reason to leave. All of it should be posted on every job hiring platform.
You poor Dear, you have my complete sympathy. I worked in places like that long ago, but thought that garbage was mostly stamped-out. You work in a terrible place. Jump ship...ASAP. Wishing you Every Success, and future co-workers who aren't just walking turds.
I know it may be difficult, but you need to get out of there. Yes, for your mental health. That’s important.
I worked in a place like that for ten years, hated every minute. Went home crying most nights, only started because I had a child and couldn't afford to leave. Almost thirty years later and on occasion, I still get nightmares.
Is this in India? I would believe every bit. All Indian women show watch thr 9 to 5 movement documentary produced by Jane Fonda and the movie 9 to 5 with Jane Fonda Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton.
- Bins for tampons and pads by the toilets. That preferably also are sound proofed and not right to someone's office...
- I think most humans are unhappy in open offices. I know I would detest it.
Why would you need to discard of your tampon ANYWHERE but a toilet? (P.S. By "toilet" I mean discarding it in a dustbin that is INSIDE a toilet/bathroom. NOT flushing it).
To the second point, I work in an office and most people are perfectly happy to work here (maybe not their job or boss, but the environment). I came from blue collar labor in all settings, and I'd rather be here any day. The minor inconveniences of the office pale in comparison to the hard work in most non-office jobs. Remember, the dialogue of hating the office that we see in media is written by people who hated the office so much they flew to LA or NY and made a career complaining about it. They don't represent most of us.
I have only worked in open offices, if by that you mean spaces where two or more people sit at separate desks in a lager area, with no doors inbetween. I'd hate to sit alone in a small space with a closed door all day.
Nice picture 🤢. Ya had to depict period blood to make sense of the wording, for sure. 🙄
Flexible work schedules. Make it possible for a parent to leave at 4:30 to pick up their kids from school. And sick leave. Women are more likely than men to have to leave work to care for a sick child or parent. Don’t punish them for that, it’s society’s doing.
No MATTER the gender, it should be allowed to take care of your family.
As a dad I get insane pushback when I try to take time off for the kids. They always ask where my wife is, what's she doing. She also works! And she makes more money than either of us, so let me go pick up my kids from school and shut up about it.
Thank you for mentioning about caring for a sick parent. I worked in a hospital and so you’d think they’d understand. Nope. They are known for being the least understanding. One day my mom was being discharged from the hospital after a particular bad episode with her heart. She needed me to a) go pick her up and b) get her settled and stay with her as she was pretty weak. I called in to the charge nurse to let her know. I was met with “Well can’t she just take a cab home?” “She’s home. She can get heself settled in.” 😠 I told her that whenever a nurse had a sick child, they got to stay home with them and we take on extra work, no problem. We all understand. Today my mother is my child. That shut her up. I never had any problems about mom again. I received a great deal of support after that.
Worked in a major hospital and when my husband had to undergo a procedure that required anesthesia and someone to pick him up and drive him home I requested two hours off from work to do that (mid-morning). I was told by my manager that I could not be gone for more than 10 minutes. When I got back literally 9 minutes later she asked how he was getting home, so I told her he was driving an hour home. She asked me how I could let him do that, that it was "dangerous." Really? No kidding. Jerk!
Load More Replies...how about just letting parents in general. this "complaint" makes no sense towards women feeling uncomfortable. if your child is sick, whether your the father or mother, you should be allowed to get your child.
Life outside the office is horrendously imbalanced for women. We do most of the housework and childcare.
My office is 100% work from home and 100% flexible hours. As long as you log all required hours within the pay period (2 weeks) and attend your client meetings you can work whenever you want.
The men are like, "neat" but the women are like, "thank you this makes a huge difference in my life."
It's a society wide problem because it's how men and women are socialized.
Load More Replies...I've been working from home since 2014. it has made and incredible difference in my life and my work productivity.
Yeah, flexible hours. Other people seem to hear "I am available at your command". I've been asked to pick up a friends Mom at the airport, pick up a friends kids after school AND WATCH THEM for two hours, asked if I could "run to the store real quick" by another. I'm not a trophy wife with nothing but yoga and lunch to attend to. I WORK FROM HOME and am most certainly not your "beck & call" girl.
That's a household problem, not a work problem. If you're doing all the housework and childcare and working, might wanna have a talk with your s.o. about stepping up. If you're single mom-ing it, daycare or a babysitter you pay extra to clean is an alternative.
that sounds more like you should talk to your significant other about stepping up. i work full time, and yet i get the kids up in the morning, feed them breakfast, change diapers, do the dishes. then off to work, only to come home and prepare/feed them supper, bathe them, and put them to bed. this is every other day. it's a team effort.
Decent parental leave policies make it more inclusive to women.
We in Germany have generous parental leave policies for both parents. Either the mother can stay home for the whole time, split the time with the father or go to work while the father stays at home.
Make it inclusive for both. Both parents want to and deserve to spend time with their newborn.
In Sweden, the parental leave is 16 months per child. Three months are reserved for each parent, the rest can be split how the parents want to. Surprise, surprise; the women still take out a majority of the time, even when she has higher wages.
Bigger toilets for women: normally in workplaces both toilets occupy an equal area. The thing is that women need more time on the toilet, as we have to deal with periods etc. Also, we can only use a WC, so, if we have the same space as in a men's toilet, inevitably less WCs are going to fit in the room. Probably it's sounds silly, so let me put a personal example: when I was in College, after some classes, it was very common for the women to take longer to get to the next class than men, as we almost always have to wait to use the toilet.
Also tampons etc in toilets, as someone commented, are a great idea.
And another silly idea: adapting spaces thinking on the different heights between men and women, in my job I'm the only one who needs a stool to reach certain tools, and some times I even need to ask for help. Now that I think about it, I need also a footrest in my desk due to the height of the table, as my feet don't touch the ground even in high heels lol
Also is fundamental to have a clear politic about sexual harassment, but that's another story.
The fact that you gave two great ideas and called them both silly speaks volumes of the problem. Your ideas are not silly, I think they are well thought through and great <3 Thank you for sharing
As a short woman, I wholeheartedly agree. I was lucky enough to be provided with a footstool at my latest job, but it was the first time. And I bought a cheap stool so that my fellow vertically challenged colleagues and I can open the windows in summer. The top shelves of the stationery cupboard are the domain of the tallies, and the only things up there are old phones, keyboards, mice etc. They're welcome to that job!
Load More Replies...Yep. Restrooms (and apparently glass dtairs/floors) are always a solid indicator of was this built by a man?
Free period products just won't happen until it is free for all. We have to be realistic about that. Employers barely like to pay workers properly. They won't just go and give us free stuff too.
They give "free" toilet paper. What's the difference? Both are products necessary to use the facilities.
Load More Replies...Unisex bathrooms with walls floor to ceiling, and doors that fill the entire opening. This is pretty much standard in some countries. No urinals. If there aren't enough stalls, **everyone*" waits in line.
In reverse- don’t assume that women should have narrower stalks because they are smaller. I am nearly 6 feet tall and have to straddle the dam* toilet at an angle just to open the door and get out. So yes I am that non-disabled person using the accessible stall. I don’t linger.
Height differencial is huge and not tied to sex as much. Definitely needs to be acknowledged though
Oh the foot rest! That beloved and blessed desk object. While my feet mostly touch the floor, that foot rest is essential for alleviating back and leg pain. The problem I have is the desk not being high enough for the foot rest. I wasted a lot of money for each new desk to find that elusive object that my feet are in love with.
A well-balanced number of men and women on all levels of hierarchy usually does the trick.
but also consider the person for the top positions regardless of gender as well. No ol' boys club and all that nonsense.
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Seems like lots of folks here might just be afraid of a more level playing field. It would make them have to work harder to keep up. Probably impact their golf games, too. 🙄
that also comes with having quality candidates. don't hire someone based on image, or balance.
When chairing meetings, have a way of ensuring that people who have something to contribute, will be heard when they do so.
It happens far too often that a woman or a new team member is cut off part way through expressing something, only for a more senior or male coworker to say the same thing later and get all of the credit for it. It’s rare that the person bringing it up later will hand the credit back; even rarer for someone to say “I’d like to hear more about what [original idea presenter] was saying earlier about [idea], would you mind?”
By doing this, you’re also fostering talent by making sure employees feel heard, and are recognized for what they contribute.
Put an offer out to everyone who is interested in participating in a special project. Don’t always give it to the same special group. When the new wing of the hospital was being built they wanted nurse input on design for patients and making our job easier. . No one even heard about that except for the same “special” group. I have a great deal of knowledge about designing things like that. Never heard about the request for a work group. When I looked at the computer blueprints AFTER (for emphasis) the addition was finished, I looked at it and oh no, this is not going to work. None of it! Well, when we toured the unit I was even more discouraged. Really not going to work! Everyone else was singing its praises. Until we started to work on the unit. Everything I saw that was wrong about the design came to fruition. Include everyone on a team. Women, men, different races, backgrounds etc. purposely look for that when putting it together. Open the meeting to all to contribute.
I work in an industry that is primarily female. (I've literally been at places where there was not even ONE man working there!) I have no idea why there aren't more guys, but I suppose the type of work doesn't particularly attract them. The only issue I see frequently is women trying to one-up each other. And the gossip...ye gods the gossip! :) I tend to keep to myself and stay out of any drama though. Some people think I'm antisocial, but I just prefer to keep my work and personal life completely separate. Especially as I get older. When I was younger it was the opposite - I even dated someone at work.
Happened to me even in a university classroom more than once. Used to annoy me so much. In a work situation it is the same. Snarl. 🤬
That's on the person being cut off! Do not tolerate that behavior. Immediately jump back in with, "Excuse me, I'm not finished" and do not back down. If someone else brings the topic back up, then you cut them off with, "Oh, I see we are back to my topic/suggestion, I'll expand on it now." You have to take back control from those with narcissistic traits who want to dominate everything and steal credit. I suggest at every meeting you make it known you are going to record the meeting so you can refer back to it. Taking notes is insufficient because notes can be denied, and a recording cannot. You will be surprised how certain behaviors stop when the perpetrators realize their actions are being recorded and will be undeniable later.
"only for a more senior or male coworker " so the problem here is that you want to be heard... so a more senior employee who is a woman interrupting you is just as bad as an equal male coworker? can you decide what you want?
Be actively inclusive of women in your space. I work in STEM and am often the only woman on the team. I am by default not included in informal social, team building things like grabbing lunch together, a drink after work etc. When someone doesn't look like to rest of you, it's important to actively include them.
It's not enough to not be excluding of them, you need to actively be inclusive of them.
This is a huge problem in some male-dominated fields. When I was a young academic, I'd watch my male co-workers get asked out for drinks or raquetball games or whatever by the older men in the department, and they'd get a lot of mentoring and one-on-one help with their research during these get-togethers. I wasn't ignored; I got invited to family dinners or group outings, but never to one-on-one things. I'd invite male co-workers to one-on-one things sometimes, but then their wives would express discomfort with it and the meetings would stop. I've never been so lonely in my life.
Some universities would help you connect with a female mentor. If you don't have one locally you may need to cultivate a long distance one in your field. Get to conferences with a full box of business cards and network the hell out of it. Or start a female xyz Ph.D. linked in group. Tons of ways. And if your department or college isn't facilitating cross collaboration between faculty in similar fields, they are failing. Message me if want to know where i get this.
Load More Replies...I refuse to "actively include" anyone. When I go for break, I will offer everyone if someone wants to join me, if I bring some goods, I offer to everyone. But I will not force anyone, if you want it, good, if you don't want it, good. You are an adult, you can do your own decision.
Is your region and field getting equal representation graduates who meet the qualifications? You have to start this at the elementary school level.
Because men are afraid of being accused of sexual harassment perhaps? So many have made being cordial a problem that no one wants to even be CORDIAL anymore!
If you don't sexually harass your female colleagues (or any women) then it's highly unlikely that you'll be accused of it. Possibly you need to review the definitions of the terms, if you're struggling to differentiate between sexual harassment and 'being cordial'?
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Pumping room with a soft, comfortable chair, and easily accessible electrical outlets.
Better yet, onsite childcare who will bring your baby to you a few times a day to breastfeed.
12 months? That is horrible! I absolutely refuse 12 months of parental leave, what are you supposed to do with a one year old? One year old can maybe walk, but cannot communicate, 3 years is about right. Maybe 5 years, but I know, I'm crazy (and I was called misogynist for saying that men should make enough money to provide for their wifes to allow them stay at home with kids).
Load More Replies...Yeah, for a nation that so often gets LOUD about the "sanctity" of the family, the USA is Not At All family-friendly. We're just hypocrite-friendly.
Using a mop bucket as a chair, I had to pump in a janitor's closet. That was 11 years ago.
On-site childcare where the workers bring your baby to you? Why don’t you just quit and be a stay at home mom in your fantasy world?
More inclusive:
* flexibility of work hours/sick time (so that those with bad periods, monthly migraines, etc can adapt work schedules accordingly)
More hostile:
* discouragement of open and honest discussions about salary and/or hourly wages and bonuses
In the US, it's illegal to prevent workers from discussing their wages.
Nope, nope, nope. Someone's top f*****g stupid to be part of the discussion.
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My workplace is pretty good for this. Putting aside physical workplace issues, flexibility around childcare issues are a big thing. If a school age kid gets sick, allowing a parent to work from home so they can stay with them and other things like that help so much.
I am beyond grateful for my employer who has been completely accommodating for my needs. More employers need to follow suit.
Ask everyone, ideally through an anonymous survey, what they would like to see to make the office more inclusive. Sometimes individual offices have things you wouldn't see on some standard list.
At least in the U.S., don't expect much. Employers tend to do the minimum because they don't want to spend any more than necessary.
I don't know why you got downvoted mate, it's true after all. But here's the thing: We SHOULD expect more. We SHOULD get angry when we're not given what we need. Otherwise it's just compliance.
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Keep the temperature turned up a degree or two higher than the “normal”. Goes for heater and AC.
My last workplace was all men, no matter what I wore I got cold sitting at the computer all day. My nails would turn blue fairly often, especially after I ate. I eventually left that office bec I was cold all day, everyday, year in, year out, and the male coworkers just kept making it colder. It’s miserable, and I felt like all my energy went into trying to stay warm. I even brought a heating pad to work. I tried using a space heater for my feet but it made my male coworkers in the next cubicle too warm.
Room temps are often set to men’s comfort level in an office space, not women’s.
I posted about this above. I am a female who is not menopausal and find the 68F(20C) temp reasonable in an office; it's too warm for me actually. Not all women require higher Temps and not all men require lower Temps and you will never please everyone. I'm sorry but it's much easier to put extra clothes on than it is to take clothes off at work when you're already down to just a top and pants. I used to wear very light clothing and have a fan going in my cubicle; my new area is cooler for me and I crack a window sometimes. Honestly found temp is set with money saving in mind and not someone's personal preference
I can be wearing five layers at work but my hands which i need to perform everything i do are forever in need of defrosting and without the heating on feel like they’re gonna fall off, that layer s**t doesn’t solve the problem
Load More Replies...Drivel. I see your warm blooded man and raise you a menopausal woman. Not everyone is going to be comfortable in the same temperature, you can add layers, but you can't take off your skin
I've never worked at an office where half the people were complaining about it being cold and the other half about being hot. I'd point to the thermostat and show them that the office was 72F summer and winter and they still complained. Hot one day, cold the next. People just like to complain about being hot and cold. It can't be controlled. It's both men and women equally in my experience.
My client has central air. It is 71*F all year long. And yet, she will want her flannel pj's when she can see that it might be chilly out, and her light pj's when she sees that it's likely warm out.
Load More Replies...Knitted wrist warmers are the best thing for cold typing fingers. I have circulation issues
To hell, no! If it's too cold, put on a bloody jacket. I'm sick of sweltering in an office.
Downvote troll in action I see. Too bad some don't understand what a downvote is all about, its purpose and intention. It's NOT meant for you to show disagreement with an opinion. 🙄
Nails turning blue after you eat is a medical condition. Bring layers, a fan and be prepared to strip them if necessary. But turn the temp up and we’re fighting.
This is just me, but don't bring babies to the office and get offend if I, a woman, am not enthusiastic about seeing your baby or am hiding in my office. I like you fine and I'm happy for you, but babies make me nervous. I don't know what to say about them - I'm not an expressive person, so the best you get is congrats on a nice baby. Its painfully awkward and I'd just rather not.
Too many women bring babies to the office because a) the U.S. has NO mandated maternity leave, and b) childcare is expensive AF.
Load More Replies...Employers not able to deny time off for childfree women or asking us to cover for parents. Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you don't have family.
Why can't it just be an equal number of days off period? That way childless-by-choice women and men are not forced to make up for employees with children. If you want your days off to be mental health days, stay at home with your sick kid day, migraine day, menstruation issues day, your child's kindergarten graduation day, etc. It's a personal day that does not need to be justified. Therefore, no family days, just a personal day.
Load More Replies...As far as being accommodating to parents, that should NEVER include the expectation for childless and or single coworkers to adjust their schedule, time off, alter their vacation plans, or do anything to accommodate a parent and their expense. Do not ask to donate their time off either. One person's life choices are not anyone else's to accommodate.
As another woman (not sure why you felt the need to specify), your comment is nonsense. When I entered the workplace in the 1980s the attitude was that removing nudie calendars would " never happen". But of course it did. The same could be said for the continuous low-level sexual assaults and harassment, name-calling against homosexual men, use of racial slurs etc. The subject of office temperatures is something that has been widely discussed because it is a genuine problem, and good building designers are now taking it into account much more on new builds, especially now that zonal heating is a preferred option because of the energy savings. Giving people a comfortable work environment is one of the easiest ways of increasing productivity and decreasing staff turnover, both of which are major costs to the company.
Load More Replies...This is just me, but don't bring babies to the office and get offend if I, a woman, am not enthusiastic about seeing your baby or am hiding in my office. I like you fine and I'm happy for you, but babies make me nervous. I don't know what to say about them - I'm not an expressive person, so the best you get is congrats on a nice baby. Its painfully awkward and I'd just rather not.
Too many women bring babies to the office because a) the U.S. has NO mandated maternity leave, and b) childcare is expensive AF.
Load More Replies...Employers not able to deny time off for childfree women or asking us to cover for parents. Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you don't have family.
Why can't it just be an equal number of days off period? That way childless-by-choice women and men are not forced to make up for employees with children. If you want your days off to be mental health days, stay at home with your sick kid day, migraine day, menstruation issues day, your child's kindergarten graduation day, etc. It's a personal day that does not need to be justified. Therefore, no family days, just a personal day.
Load More Replies...As far as being accommodating to parents, that should NEVER include the expectation for childless and or single coworkers to adjust their schedule, time off, alter their vacation plans, or do anything to accommodate a parent and their expense. Do not ask to donate their time off either. One person's life choices are not anyone else's to accommodate.
As another woman (not sure why you felt the need to specify), your comment is nonsense. When I entered the workplace in the 1980s the attitude was that removing nudie calendars would " never happen". But of course it did. The same could be said for the continuous low-level sexual assaults and harassment, name-calling against homosexual men, use of racial slurs etc. The subject of office temperatures is something that has been widely discussed because it is a genuine problem, and good building designers are now taking it into account much more on new builds, especially now that zonal heating is a preferred option because of the energy savings. Giving people a comfortable work environment is one of the easiest ways of increasing productivity and decreasing staff turnover, both of which are major costs to the company.
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