People tend to daydream about the same things. About how we’d heroically protect our friends if a zombie apocalypse broke out. About how awesome it would be to have magical powers. And about how much better our lives would be if we could send our past selves some darn good advice.
Just in case you discover your secret magical powers let you time travel, it’s probably wise to know what you’d tell yourself in the past. Entrepreneur, founder of The Riveter, and mother-of-four Amy Nelson asked her Twitter followers what advice they’d give their working younger selves.
We’ve collected some of the most eye-opening pieces of advice, so scroll down and soak up the knowledge. Upvote the tips you found useful and share your own advice in the comments!
Bored Panda spoke to Nelson, Paige Hewlett, the CEO of Call Margo, as well as Megan K. Stack, journalist and author of Women’s Work, about the challenges that women still face in the 21st century, as well as the advice they'd give to their younger self. “There is a lot of advice I'd give my younger self if I could!” Stack told us. Scroll down for our triple interview!
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well it is not - it reflects the massive weakness women have in terms of taking responsibility for their communication - things are not that easy - the fact that it is collecitve does not excuse explanations which are extremely superficial
Agree with this so much! I'm not in the US, my unit started recruiting for a second in my role. My line manager had no idea what I actually do and how I hold the team together. He assumed I was a low admin position. Speak up, be visible
I once walked out of a job where I was set up to fail. Heard they hired 2 people to replace me. I've never regretted my decision.
Load More Replies...Before I requested a raise, I kept a log for a month of my "actual" duties. In addition to being the Exec Asst to the VP of Operations, the US print buyer (134 locations) in charge of advertising premiums/giveaways, the employee apparel program and organizing 2 golf tournaments per year; I was also in charge of ordering office supplies, ink for the 20+ employees who had their own printers and toner for the 6 copiers. That I was the one who programmed the phones (and recorded the on-hold and after hours messages, which we were required to change monthly for some reason). He had NO IDEA that I did so much outside of "my" job description. Yeah, I got that asked for $2 more an hour.
plus, women get paid less than men hourly in the US. this should change
Strange, I've never had that feeling in any of my jobs. But hey, I live in "socialist" Norway... ;)
As Anne said, it depends. Furthermore, if you're in a position that's not easily replaceable, they will also treat you with more respect from start, because you both have no choice.
Load More Replies...Everyone is expendable. No company has ever collapsed because an employee quit.
I've worked for 'independent' companies and both companies are great with their employees. Maybe this is more a 'corporate' thing?
amen. I just had a friend shown the door after 30 years, no notice, not for any lack of performance. just cut.
this is amazing advice, i never believed that any job cares about their employees personal lives, so self care should always be priority :)
According to Nelson, she created the thread because she thinks it provides an opportunity for women to share advice with each other: "There is so much power in women sharing their stories with one another. We live through a lot of the same experiences at work, but we don’t often have the chance to give advice to one another. We need more opportunity to do this."
"I think the biggest hurdle facing women in the workplace is a long outdated bias that we are somehow less committed than men to our work," she told Bored Panda. "It leads to the pay gap, to a world where we are less likely to be promoted, and to a place where the American economy isn’t getting the full benefit of women’s leadership and creativity," Nelson said.
"The best way to get past wasted opportunities of the past is to keep moving forward. To take the advice we hear from one another, use our voices, and make ourselves be heard at work —and beyond."
Definition of Walmart. Especially when they don't have enough people to cover even half of the registers yet are told they are overstaffed.
As a high school junior with childhood brain cancer, I know this to be all too true.
Yes, I've read that a couple of times. Men will generally apply even to positions that they don't qualify for, women almost never. And the idea of doing this differently makes me feel very uneasy but it is a great point to try to overcome this.
There was a discussion about this on Reddit. And some idiot concluded it means that women in general are not "willing to learn". Sheesh!
Load More Replies...I heartily recommend this - I'm a woman but I a have applied for jobs I had barely any qualification or experience in. If I thought I could do it, I applied. I'm a quick study and (barring one spectacular failure, which I nevertheless learnt from) quickly learnt what I needed to. I've had experiences and grown in ways I never would have, if I hadn't just gone for it.
I started doing this and landed some jobs that really surprised me. Learned later from a friend who does a lot of hiring that people will usually inflate the required or desired qualifications in order to attract better candidates. Don't take what's in the job posting as being written in stone!
I've bullshitted my way into some really incredible jobs. I got a foot in the door of a nationwide corporation by being honest with the President about how hard and involved being a stay at home mom was. I worked my way up to Exec Asst to the VP (who was a true mentor and great friend). When our division was sold 5 years later, he started his own company and asked me to come be his administrator. I was there for 5 years and made more money than I ever had before. And it all started with a tongue in cheek resume and a guy who appreciated that I had skills, but little experience.
I've done exactly that. Hitting the six month mark in my new job now 😂 ladies, do what you gotta do.
Oh do be quiet - that IS equality. Men do it all the time.
Load More Replies...You don't owe your employer sh*t! If loyalty isn't a twoway street, then get the fell out of there
According to Hewlett, "one of the biggest lessons to learn as a working woman (and for me, a working mother) is that taking care of yourself and protecting your mental and physical wellbeing is as critical to your success in work as it is in how you feel on a day to day basis. Identifying ways to invest in yourself and your future lets you create building blocks for the experiences you want to have—small but intentional steps today have a compounding effect that pay off in the long run—which we see in careers, relationships, investing (401k, etc), and our well being."
"The advice I gave was indicative of the areas I’ve found that are good investments based on my lifestyle and my goals—and help me be the most productive, engaged, happiest version of myself."
Hewlett pointed out that there are plenty of challenges for working women in 2020. "And we can categorize a lot of them as effects of a patriarchal society. At the end of the day, we are our own greatest champions and our own greatest saboteurs. You don’t see men apologizing for wanting greatness—whatever that could be on their terms—and why should women? Let’s stop asking if it’s okay if we want something, and instead just go after it. The anguish is wasted energy and time—take up space, advocate for what you believe, be the most you you can be—and don’t apologize for it."
"I really believe that we should reject the idea of working woman guilt," she told Bored Panda. "Beyond that, guilt is a manifestation of regret or misalignment in belief and action. I think quite simply, if you do the best you can with the information and resources you have—and do better when you can—there’s no reason to have that guilt."
"Acknowledge the areas where your resources, lifestyle, experience aren’t going to align and move on—focus your energy, time, and resources on the work that you can do now and the small steps that will get you toward your goals. What could have been, will never be. Focus on how you can move forward and take action that aligns with where you want to go."
Hewlett continued: "As Samuel Beckett said, 'Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.' Reflect on your past experiences, but ever forward. When you can do or be better, acknowledge that and act accordingly."
Not sure, but the one that was a mentor for me was dutch.
Load More Replies...I've had a few bosses like this, and it makes an enormous difference in my job satisfaction. The attorneys I currently work with are all incredibly supportive of my decision to apply to law school, even though they all agree this office isn't the ideal place to mentor brand new attorneys and they've all advised me I'll have to start off somewhere else. The fact they're all so enthusiastically supportive despite the fact it means I would leave here once done with school, blows me away.
Amen to that! I had a boss who saw "something" in me and encouraged me every step of the way. Gave me the administrator position when he started his own company. If my father had not been able to attend my wedding (due to health issues) he would have given me away.
Isn't this from an ad campaign? Not her reply but the phrase. I'm pretty sure there was a trade school that used the same line.
Invaluable lesson I learnt recently - " so to clarify, you expect x by x"? Life saver
Load More Replies...But most of the time I'm worried it was just me zoning out and being stupid.
I'm a male who had a female boss who thought my asking for clarification meant that I thought she was stupid. I just wanted to do the job right the first time.
Yes! Making assumptions is career suicide. Make sure everyone involved understands what's being asked/expected.
This is so true. Although i'm a guy I feel like this is something that everyone should hear. In order for you to not be blamed for something you didn't know/learn or get confused at every step of your task, you should ask as many questions as possible when you begin your job.
Also, it's okay if you don't like someone too. Sometimes people need to learn some boundaries.
Right? People seem to forget the lessons they learned in kindergarten. Be polite and treat each other with respect. This doesn't mean you have to be friends, but it does mean you need to act like a grown-up and be professional.
Load More Replies...It's OK if not everyone likes you, but it may very stressful. Some people are just plain evil.
I worked with a guy that I just loved to death. He was the GM to my DoA. Crazy f*****g Australian. He "broke" employees on a fairly regular basis. We had a huge turnover rate because people just couldn't seem to get that when he got upset it WAS NEVER PERSONAL. He & I would get into screaming matches on the production floor and 10 minutes later be having a cup of tea and laughing. I got it/him. He was one of my dearest friends even after I left the company.
Meanwhile, Stack elaborated about her own point of view. “I was remembering my early years in the journalism business and how things were for me— people were always pointing out my age or saying, flat-out, that I was too young to have the jobs I had,” Stack explained her comment on Nelson’s thread about people viewing women as either too young or too old. “This began when I was a national correspondent for the LA Times a few years after college, and it intensified when I started covering the war on terror and got posted overseas later that year.”
“I heard about my age all the time. Of course, on the one hand, it can be a compliment. But more often, the fact of my age was used against me by colleagues, competing journalists from other organizations, and even sources, at times. People who tried to push me aside or bully me off a story would imply that this was appropriate because I was younger and therefore didn't really know what I was doing.”
“She continued: “Some people would even go so far as to question how I got my job or my stories—implying that perhaps I'd charmed somebody or even seduced somebody. And (because I was indeed young!) I took all of this very hard. I couldn't wait to turn 30. I imagined that once I was 30 I would never hear about my age again. And that was very briefly true— VERY briefly,” Stack told Bored Panda about the twists and turns of her career.
“But now I've gone through more of the career arc, and I realize that middle-aged women have to fight their own perception battles in the workplace, and very quickly start to get passed over professionally because—why? I'm not sure,” she mused.
“It's almost like, once you enter the age where you remind people of a mother, then again you struggle to be regarded and treated as a full-fledged professional. This is reality. These are social-professional dynamics that women have to face. It's not fair, but the truth is, youth in a woman is seen as evidence of incompetence whereas when young men show up, they are often regarded as prodigies. And at the other end, older men are seen as wise and experienced, whereas older women are treated as if they have little to contribute. It's infuriating.”
Stack said that, in her opinion, women of any age ought to push through all of that. “You owe it to yourself and you owe it to other women, too. Instead of letting it get in your head, instead of letting other people's perceptions define you, it's important to stay strong and perform well and force those perceptions to change. So I wish I could tell my younger self—don't sweat it. This is going to go on your whole life. Instead of thinking that, if you can just hang on, it will go away—work on getting better at ignoring it.”
Had I done what my mother suggested 20 years ago i would be better off. She suggested nursing and I scoffed (rebellious attitude). Had I done it, later I could have been a stay at home mom as long as I wanted, then had a job I could step right back into. My mom was a nurse (RN), and for various reasons she would stop working for several years at a time. Every time she went back she made the same money or better than the last.
That's true. And your parents can still have some good input because they've seen you handle so many situations. Do what you want, but hear what they say. (if you have good parents)
My mom was always supportive of whatever I want to do, but her sister, my aunt was almost never. If I had listened to her I would still be working as an administrative assistant in a corporate job feeling trapped and miserable. Luckily I am a string person so I finally quit the corporate world for good, traveled around the world ( been to over 40 counties so far) opened my art business selling my photography successfully enough to pay my bills and now I own my own market research biz where I can work anywhere with Wifi and I am my own boss.
For years, I've only ever wanted to do one thing, but not only do I need to stand out, and be somewhat original, I also need a whole lot of luck to get anywhere, so it's remained on the back burner. My parents know, but they also know how tough it is, so they told me to be more realistic. Which I have been. It still sucks, but I know how terrible my luck is. I was born on Friday 13th, after all.
THIS!!! The timing is never right, but it will all sort itself out, I promise!! ( I mean.. think a bit about finances if you are lucky enough to plan, but other than that.. It's never a perfect time. Have them when you want to!!!)
.....or don't have them if you don't want to. It is perfectly OK if a man don't want to have children, or don't commit to a relationship (marry). If woman dos the same, she's still generally labelled "selfish"!!!???
Load More Replies...Husband's need to have maternity leave too. If they are equal parents then they should have the time to care for the child as well. They are both pregnant and having a baby...
They wouldnt be able to pay enough to make me give up my spare time.
Load More Replies...I used all of my sick days then they used that info to fire me. My boss said I was lazy.
Company I worked for would ding you in your reviews if you used sick time.
I am working for such a company right now. However, after not using any days off for years I learned hard way to start using sick days and going to doctor when needed.
Load More Replies...BE CAREFUL THOUGH!... i got 5 sick days per year and i took my 5 sick days..only to find out i "hit the limit" and was given NO sick days the next year because i didn't use them sparingly...
Amen!!! Any job that shames you for taking what's yours but then expects you to work extra hours for free is not worth your time
We also wanted to know what challenges in Stack’s opinion women still face today.”Beyond the above, there are also concrete and systemic challenges that women have to contend with: childcare, unequal burdens at home, pay gap, perception gap.”
“Women are more likely to step away from their careers or education for their children, and then struggle to find a way back in. Women are more likely to be single parents. Now we've had #MeToo, which has certainly brought about some positive change for women in the workplace, but on the other hand, I've seen emerging studies indicating that now men don't want to work with women anymore,” she said.
“That's a huge slap in the face: we're trying to deal with a very real landscape of sexual harassment and assault, and the reward is that now men don't even want us in the workplace? What a statement that makes!”
“I don't feel guilty about wasted opportunities in the past. It's not really my style! I can recognize times when I could've done things better, but life truly is about making mistakes and staging comebacks,” Stack told Bored Panda that she has an optimistic and growth-focused mindset.
“That's the whole fun of it, really. I feel very lucky because despite many false starts and ups and downs, I've wound up with a beautiful family and work that I'm proud of. That's not to say I'm satisfied—I'm not. I think my best work is still in front of me.”
“But another thing I've learned, life is long! If your career isn't exactly what you want early in life, you can turn it around later. Likewise, if you haven't found happiness in your family or personal life so far, that doesn't mean you won't. I look back at my friends in high school—when we were teenagers, a friend got pregnant and had the baby, living with her parents. Another friend got arrested for drug dealing and she went to prison for a few years. At the time, we all thought—oh, their lives are ruined. It's all over for them. But you know what, they're both fine now. They both have college educations and families; one of them has a PhD.”
The writer continued. “It wasn't easy for them, of course, but that's life—there is usually time to come back. Nobody should regard their current situation as permanent. Maybe I have this view to excess because there is some part of my brain that still thinks—oh, one day I'll get around to becoming a lawyer, one day I'll be a professor, one day I'll be a park ranger. I know that I'll run out of time at some point. I feel like I will never retire. It's really impossible for me to imagine wanting to do that.”
Just smile knowingly to those who bring up your age, and be your magnificent, brilliant self. Then walk away.
Not particularly winnable for men, either. Try finding a job after 50.
I'm a bloke so don't have quite the same issues that women have on the age question. But, whenever I've been asked how old I am I've always said, as old as my tongue and a little bit older than my teeth. Never been knocked back because of the comment, and actually got a job when the manager of the unit I was applying for laughed his head off and told HR, interviews over, he's the one. Some of the most happiest days of my working life with that employer, all because of turning the question back on them.
That whole very outdated trope about do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life is the worst advice. Find a job that you enjoy. If the job that you enjoy is doing something you love, you've won the lottery
Doesn't loving doing something means enjoying it? How can't you enjoy something without loving it?
Load More Replies...Find the job you can make the most money in with the least amount of hours per week and then use that money and extra time to do what you love. Believe me, if your job gives you the most money for the least time working allowing you to pursue your hobby, you love your job.
OR you can just find a job that you are so passionately in love with that it doesn't matter. Money isn't everything. Doing what you love and enjoying it is.
Load More Replies...This. There are a few hobbies I love and am good at and been told I should make a carrier out of. Never! It wouldn't be on my terms and timing so it wouldn't be fun any more. Then again loving what you do makes it better and easier.
"Would you mind taking a long walk off a short cliff? You have irritated me for far too long. Thank you very much."
Load More Replies...How do you exactly say f--k off politely? And if it can be said politely why to use f--k at all??
The idea that women need to come together to have a voice in the corporate world is nothing new to Nelson. In August 2019, she met with Phyllis Campbell of JPMorgan Chase and they discussed exactly that, sharing their insights with everyone. Campbell highlighted that resilience, persistence, and discipline are three virtues that lead to financial (and other types of) success.
“There are going to be those tough times, when you ask, ‘What are we doing? And why are we doing this?’ And people telling you, ‘You can’t do it.’ There are all kinds of setbacks and roadblocks, but I think the most important thing I learned is you’re going to make mistakes. Pick yourself up. Don’t beat yourself up. And say, ‘What did I learn?’” The Riveter reports Campbell saying.
Campbell told the story of how she got her first job in banking by literally calling the bank every day for over 2 months. She was so persistent that she got hired. Campbell also noted the importance of developing financial discipline early on in life: “Don’t spend what you don’t have, and if you have extra, start putting it away.” Honestly, that’s solid advice that everyone should hear periodically. Preferably, once a day via phone, until we start following it.
Meanwhile, Nelson explained the need to balance out discipline with risk-taking: “We also need to take some risks, particularly as women, because the barriers to entry are harder.” Both women noted that having confidence is a great character feature; however, it should be balanced out with a willingness to improve, to listen to others, as well as to learn from mistakes. It’s great advice for working women. But it’s also amazing advice for people from all walks of life in all stages of their journeys.
A creative side project or hobby can be just doing nothing, for many.
Avoiding confrontation and being passive aggressive isn't going to get you ahead ever.
THIS. ^^^^^^^ The toxic c**p that builds up when people don't air their grievances just builds resentment AND it's infantilizing. Grown ups TALK. Even when it's hard.
Make friends in different departments, and do favors for them when you can.It will pay off down the road.
Called my boss out (gently - he said he had produced a thing in a meeting, I chimed in with when we were analysing this, we found...) ended up speaking to boss after, thanking me for the extra insight that wasn't apparent in the report. Do it!
Also, I have very visible tatts and piercings, but that's not unusual here
Load More Replies...Totally disagree about dress and what you look like. It does matter - doesn't mean you should look like you just stepped of a Paris catwalk but a certain decorum is necessary to impress.. It's a competitive world out there.
From the evidence of your comments in this thread, 'Like A Man' = 'Annoyingly condescending negativity based on a self-evident dislike of women with careers. Or perhaps just women in general'.
Load More Replies...Depends on the field, and your level of experience. My first job out of school was as a takeaway cook, and if I had pushed for money during my interview, I wouldn't have been hired, and I was working to have money set aside for college, so not getting the job would have screwed me over.
If someone exceeds in skill and experience for the job and as long as it's not their first job. They SHOULD fight for more money because they've earned that. You wouldn't be fine with minimum wage if you have 10 years experience in the field.
Load More Replies...Not that this is necessarily bad advice, but it should be remembered that when you take a chance, there is certainly a chance it won't work out as hoped. It's only the people who took the chance and won that give this advice.
Taking the chance and having it fail is actually better than having never taken the risk. At least you don't spend a lifetime wondering what would have happened if you took that leap of faith. It's not just the successful that give this advice...it's the ones that regret they never did take that chance.
Load More Replies...Well, weren't you insightful. You didn't say where you moved from but an excellent decision on your part.
I will agree with this one. A professor of mine told us when he was preparing his dissertation in Anthropology, he was invited to go to Africa for a dig. He turned it down thinking he had to defend that dissertation and couldn't put it off. Less than a year later, they discovered Lucy at the Olduvai Gorge..the same group that invited him making the biggest Anthropological discovery to date. He said he's been kicking himself ever since.
How much harder did those women have to work to end up alongside you, or as your boss? I doubt they had it as easy as you think, and they most likely didn't have it as easy as you. None of the people who interviewed you were secretly wondering if there was a chance you could get pregnant not long after taking the job, or if you'd need a couple of days off because your period cramps were too painful for you to go to work with. Women still have to fight to prove themselves, because they're usually trying to prove themselves to men, who don't bother communicating with them, and just assume the worst.
Load More Replies...If you want to have an equal relationship, you have to find a partner who wants to be "equal".
But make sure that if, to you, equality of work at home means you both do the same chores that you, in fact, do the same chores as your partner and they do the same as you. But I do not advocate this. It's far more important that each person spends approximately the same effort and time on home chores.
I found out this one comes very natural to me. No one had to tell me this.
I have at least 30 horrible bosses, most of which I quit very quickly.
HR is most often not the ones making the decisions, or have a say about all the factors...Everyone always thinks it's just HR, but often those of us who work in HR have our hands tied by the Hiring Managers or the market or the budget. Please don't think all HR people are untrustworthy!
I work in HR and I DO work for my employees. I listen and I advocate for what is in the best interest of both sides. People need to feel valued in order to stay with a job.
I do not understand why people think that HR is there for THEM. I have never understood this. I was put in charge of HR at my company for a while and I COULD NOT believe the number of people that think HR is there to provide them with counseling or help with their personal issues. The purpose of HR is to protect the company from the employees, not the other way around.
I got this good advice: at the job interview, be on time, be confident, and when asked, "where do you see yourself in 5 years?' don't say to the interviewer, "...sitting in the chair you are sitting now."
This is very true. I started a new job, was so excited to be progressing, the people I worked with my boss being the worst were just not bothered about anything. I felt very deflated very quickly and only lasted 6 months before I just had a to break away. It was the best thing I ever did. Im not afraid to tell employers about it either. That 'blip' in my CV, was needed in order to get myself out of a horrendous working situation.
I always take the you can't do that as a challenge. "Like hell I can!"
99% of this has nothing at all to do with gender but rather how to get rid of inaccaptable workplace conditions.
YES! And the few remarks that ARE gender based could work for both genders. Not all men lie on their resumes and apply for jobs they are not qualified for, despite the sayings here to the contrary. And not all women do not do this. The reality is that this entire post was gender bias for no reason.
Load More Replies...These bits of advice definitely work for both genders. Personally, one of the best ways to see if a company is a good one is to check out their Break Room. If the "break room" is just a storage room with a table and chairs in it, RUN, and never look back. If the Break Room has refrigerators, toasters, coffee makers, a sink, ice maker, water fountains, etc.... you probably found a company that treats its employees right in all the other areas too. I've almost 50, worked many jobs, and always found the break room rule to be reliable.
Ok but the first one that says NO job will ever care about your personal life, I find to be very untrue. Sure, a good amount won't, but that hasn't been the case with my mom's workplace since she got her first job. I just think it's a bit much to say that NO job will ever care.
99% of this has nothing at all to do with gender but rather how to get rid of inaccaptable workplace conditions.
YES! And the few remarks that ARE gender based could work for both genders. Not all men lie on their resumes and apply for jobs they are not qualified for, despite the sayings here to the contrary. And not all women do not do this. The reality is that this entire post was gender bias for no reason.
Load More Replies...These bits of advice definitely work for both genders. Personally, one of the best ways to see if a company is a good one is to check out their Break Room. If the "break room" is just a storage room with a table and chairs in it, RUN, and never look back. If the Break Room has refrigerators, toasters, coffee makers, a sink, ice maker, water fountains, etc.... you probably found a company that treats its employees right in all the other areas too. I've almost 50, worked many jobs, and always found the break room rule to be reliable.
Ok but the first one that says NO job will ever care about your personal life, I find to be very untrue. Sure, a good amount won't, but that hasn't been the case with my mom's workplace since she got her first job. I just think it's a bit much to say that NO job will ever care.

