Contrary to what dating apps and social media might lead you to believe, chivalry is not dead. My partner always opens doors for me, carries the heavier bag of groceries and makes sure that I have a blanket as soon as I express how cold our apartment is. But as nice as those behaviors are, we both know that it’s not necessary for men to treat women differently. In fact, it can often become toxic.
Women on Reddit have recently been discussing “white knight” behaviors from men that they’re sick and tired of, so we’ve gathered some of their thoughts down below. It’s wonderful to open up doors and help women out when they’re transporting heavy items, but those actions are pointless if you become condescending in the name of politeness. Enjoy reading through this list, and be sure to upvote the habits you can’t stand either!
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I’m a widow. Men have thrown themselves at me like they were going to be the one to f**k the loneliness away. Married. Dating. Single. Old. Young. Every walk of life. My boss too. When they asked, “Do you miss sex?” I always wanted to answer, “Nope. I saved my husband’s penis. It sits on my nightstand in a glass box with a label on it that reads, ‘Break glass in case of emergency.’”
Totally gross question to ask. Reminds me of when my uncle was battling terminal cancer. Some dude walks up to me, points to my aunt and says something like, "She's a good woman, as soon as she becomes single, I'm going to swoop in and get her." I don't think he knew I was related, but sir, please stop telling me that you can't wait for my uncle to die so you can schtup my aunt. Go far away.
The odd times I get asked that in a weird way I just look at them like I have no idea what they're talking about. Really, I don't know until moments later. But it shuts them up eventually.
That's disgusting behaviour... Those menshould all be deeply ashamed (but we all know they weren't because someone with a conscience and respect for others would never behave like that).
I could swear I heard this exact thing in a comedy routine at some point. Chris Rock, I think?
It's sadly true. I got more offers from married men than I ever did from single, from sixteen years upwards. Widowed, same.
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When people try to put words in my mouth like "what I think she meant was". No, no, no, I f*****g said what I said, all questions can be directed to me.
I'm a man and don't like it done to me, by other men, and WOMEN so stop thinking this a one way thing.
I'm a man and also hate this when done to me, by other men and WOMEN, so stop thinking it's just a one way thing.
This is like, so close to active listening. Big difference between "Did you say this?" and "I think she meant this"
Offering to help you and not backing off regardless of what you say. My cousin is very beautiful and often has guys offering help left and right in an effort to get in her good graces - except they keep offering when she says no. And keep offering. And keep pushing. It's basically a thinly veiled "let me get close to you", and they won't take no for an answer. It's extremely disrespectful
I'm curious. A while back my adult son and I were at one of the big box home improvement stores. When we got to my truck with our purchases there were two young ladies a few spaces down who were obviously struggling with tying their stuff so they wouldn't lose it. We debated offering to help, since they very obviously needed it, but didn't want to offend them, or make them feel threatened or uncomfortable, so we didn't. Should have we have offered? (If they had said "No thank you" we would absolutely have accepted that and gone on about our business.)
I can't see any harm in offering to help someone, ever - as long as you're willing to take NO as an answer without getting offended or pushy.
Load More Replies...I don't see any issues with opening doors for you, and why does that bother you? I will agree that he should accept "No thank you" after offering to carry things for you. The thing about holding your hand while going down stairs is just bizarre, unless one or both of you have mobility or stability issues.
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Any time a man is speaking for or “defending” a woman and he gets extremely possessive. And you can tell that he’s more offended because she’s HIS, and it’s therefore disrespectful to HIM, than he is concerned about her feelings. “That’s MY f*****g WIFE,” “don’t talk about MY wife that way,” “keep my wife’s name out your f*****g mouth!” (This is basically the quintessential example of this behavior in pop culture tbh).
I think a lot of women are actually attracted to this on the surface, but it bugs me deeply now that I’ve realized how it really serves the man.
In contrast, I had a really s****y conversation with my dad recently where it got heated and he was questioning my professional decisions. My dad’s a contrarian and loves to lecture, so if I say “I’m doing this,” his first reaction is “no no, that’s wrong” — even if he would say it’s right under other circumstances. Drives me batty. My husband sat back and let me stand my ground until I was getting basically bulldozed. He finally “stepped in,” because my dad tends to respond better to men (eye roll)…. but what he said was “Hey. She’s doing an amazing job, and her performance isn’t up for debate. You may not agree, but it isn’t your career or your life. We’re both extremely happy with how she handled the situation.” It just… felt different. I didn’t need him to go all “That’s MY wife, back off” macho macho mode. I felt like a teammate, not a possession.
My dad can be awesome, but he can also be quite mean. I was having trouble with a man I liked recently in that I felt he was being disrespectful and somewhat emotionally abusive, and Dad was like "no, you stop speaking to him. He does not get to treat MY daughter that way." I said "what, that privilege is just for you?" Dad did not like that.
Now men can’t stand up for their wife without it being “toxic” give me a break
If your offence is in the fact that the person is harming someone that belongs to YOU, it's toxic. It's the same concept as rape being a property crime against the father or husband. If you're offence is that someone is being harmed, that's not toxic.
Load More Replies...JFC....it's not about "possession" it's about pointing out the significance of the relationship...ya know, to remind an a*****e that when they're insulting, disrespecting, or threatening someone they love, on the basis that the feel safe and comfortable doing so without fear of meaningful reprisal....that they've misjudged that safety and security. The majority of men aren't angry because they feel they're being disrespected through the women in their life....they're angry because the women in their life are being disrespected. Guess that doesn't really fit the popular narrative though, which is just lovely.
the difference is he was talking to your dad and not some random dude on the street. by all counts your dad should be respectful enough to not get too heated, he should be predictable enough... a random person on the street could be crazy and go in to attack mode. use a better example.
Having the mentality of "Men, its our job to protect women."
Why? Who are you "protecting" us from... oh.. other men? Maybe place your focus on calling out those men when you see toxic/dangerous behaviors and normalize holding your own kind accountable. Stop making it about "protecting women."
97% of women have been sexually harassed or assaulted in their lifetime. Most women know someone who has been sexually abused, by that token, do most men know a man who's abusive toward women?
How is this not higher on the list?!?! Women don't need protection from anything if the society around them weren't so passive towards men who behave like dirtbags.
Taking tools away from me while I'm using them because they are "thinking of my safety". Like, no, it's not safe to try and take my ax out of my hands mid-swing.
I'm a guy and had that done to me by women when I was cooking in the kitchen. Yes, I know how to make food, no need for you to take over! 😄
If someone is in my kitchen wrecking my food, I will pull the spatulas out of their hands. But in someone else's kitchen, it's their business.
Load More Replies...When I was a technician, male co-workers "borrowed" my tool bag (with my name clearly on the outside) full of tools that I bought (also had my name on them). Of course they said I was being a b***h, but I pointed out that they didn't have any tools because they'd lost or broken them.
I really wish people with this mentality would actually get left alone to learn the hard way. It's been my policy consistently, to let people (not JUST men, but let's be honest...) that think they know better, f**k around and find out. It's how my daddy raised me, and sure the outcome can be bloody, some may even call it callous or inhuman to step back when someone decides they know better than you. If experience is how someone *insists* on learning the lesson however, I will gladly stand aside and grab popcorn.
Oh my god I hate when people do this for that matter anyone who touches the wheel while I'm driving to honk the horn because, "That guy was an a-hole and needed to be honked at." Is the epitome of this while I was learning I was completely fine with someone nudging the steering wheel to help me stay in my lane since that's important but I passes my drivers test over a year ago so yeah hands of the wheel.
This, almost more than anything else, makes me want to throw hands. I've had both men and women grab a tool of some sort out of my hands at jobs, not necessarily for safety but because they think I'm not doing something correctly or they can do it better. Instant outrage on my part.
In all fairness, the axe head was loose and you were about to clock your sister with it.
When a guy is explaining something, and I say “I know.” Could be directions, telling me about a show, a fact, current event, whatever. But if I said that I know already, them saying “Ok, but…” and continuing as if I had said nothing.
A patriarchal society teaches men that they are the arbiters of reality, that they know more than anyone else and have the inherent right to be believed and obeyed. It's deeply ingrained, and even some men who want to be egalitarian still have that unconscious bias.
In all fairness, a lot of older men do the same thing to younger men. They act like we are idiots who would be lost without them. I'm like, "Sorry, but google maps gives better directions than your, 'Make a left at the 3rd oak tree that has only light Spanish moss on it...'
This is annoying when anyone does this. My mom does this all the time. It really is a power/control tactic.
Every time. Or they give you the "just step aside little lady, and let the man handle this" and totally screw up what you're working on because they don't bother to understand the goal.
I hate this. I tune them out and continue doing what I was doing.
Yes this ⬆️ and also having men lecture me about my research when they know sod-all about it. Man, I have degrees and academic publications in the subject you know nothing about!
Men I don't know calling me "honey," "sweetheart," or any variation of that. Happens less now that I'm older, thank god.
Older men tend to do this to young women especially if they have daughters themselves. They seem to act very fatherly towards young women. Unless they say it in a lascivious way, they're just used to calling young girls sweetheart since I guarantee that's what they call their daughters or granddaughters. Force of habit.
In my country its common but its not said or meant in a creepy way. Other variations are chicken, love and hen. I love it and i hope it doesnt go away because its just a lovely way we communicate.
Both men and women sometimes do this when they've forgotten your actual name and are embarrassed to ask
This is just as common as a male in some parts of the world. I found it especially cringey when older female waiting staff would call me Honey in parts of the US (when I was younger, I mean).
Older men do this shìt and it makes me want to gag every single time. Nasty old men. Women don't want any bit of "sweet" name calling from you guys.
Right back at you. Don't call me sweety or honey or dear. (I actually hear more women calling men a term of endearment than the other way around. but it could be a language thing)
Men who do the bare minimum and act like they should be praised for it like it’s so annoying. like congrats for respecting my boundaries i guess??
Yes, like “I emptied the dishwasher for you, love” No you didn’t, they’re shared responsibilities and things you need for the household to run smoothly.
Whenever he completes a household chore and is looking for praise, I flatly say "Gold Star." Could be a compliment, could be sarcastic. He can figure that out without me.
Load More Replies...I used to have to beg my ex to help around the house. If I was lucky, he would vacuum the living room or mop the bathroom floor. He would then tell his friends that he couldn't get anything done that day because he had to clean the house.
But always be supportive and say things like "good work!" when the other does something no one likes doing! (at least in an equal relation).
We had to do a little cementing in our basement a coupla years ago. The tub had these baby-step instructions on how to cement, the last being 'take a bow for your amazing accomplishment'. Really idiotic how babyish men's instructions are, and that they then receive and bestow themselves such praise for completing/undertaking relatively simple tasks, when women get no instructions for so many tasks on monumental things, must learn as they go, and not only get zero praise but are actually given complete indifference by men for accomplishing them.
ex-landlord/live in housemate - "I cleaned the kitchen, are you proud?" - m**o, you OWN the house.
When they try to mansplain me how to do my job.
Dude...dude...this! No joke, I had a coworker try to mansplain to me about how to put steak knives away just two weeks ago. No fùcking joke, how to put knives into a container. I've been doing this job almost as long as this dude has been alive. I gave him a crooked look as he started to "explain" and, gladly, caught on quick by saying, "Yeah. Okay. I'm going to stop speaking now." Blows my frigging mind that he thought, for even a split second, that I could use his absolutely idiotic waste of breath.
I absolutely hate this. I process listing agreements at work. Been doing it for 14 years. After processing (which includes providing a listing number, creating a folder, adding it to our database, etc.) I let the listing agent know that all of these things are done. I literally had one of our guys send me a new listing and tell me what to do with it (as mentioned above). Um excuse me, I've been doing this longer than you've been at our company. But he's also someone who doesn't value you if you are in a position perceived as "less than". Those types are the worst.
Load More Replies...I once had a man try to correct me when I told him my new job title. My title contains a common acronym which is slightly similar to a different acronym in our field. The exchange was written, so there was no possible mishearing involved. His immediate reaction was "Lol, you mean XYZ" And I simply replied "No, it's ZYX. I know my own job title."
Oh yeah. No matter what project you're working on, even though you are not seeking advice, a man has to tell you how you'll "want" to do a thing, i.e., "Now, when you're gonna (do project) you're gonna want to (step 1 of project) before you go on to (step 2 of project). Then you're gonna want to (step 3 of project)..."
Or anything else, actually. That call for my parent-toddler voice, "Really? Then you can wear big-boy pants now!"
1/3 I could be caustic and say, "oh, really, what a smart boy you are for figuring that out!" That's my usual response to mansplaining. But... let's dig deeper. The serious side of the concept of mansplaining has been lost, according to Rebecca Solnit, who introduced the concept in 2008. That's where, she says, the harm begins, and I agree with her. Mansplaining is one part of a much bigger societal problem - who gets listened to and believed. Children, elders, disabled, and yes, often women, are treated like incompetent witnesses to their own lives. I am a multiple SA survivor and a DV survivor. I once had to discuss a workplace SA with a bureaucrat who insisted I call it an "interpersonal conflict," as if it was nothing more than an argument rather than a coworker forcing part of his body into my body. My employer refused to take it seriously because I was "too fat for him to find attractive," as my assailant said.
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Speaking on my behalf because I didn't answer right away. Like I don't care if you've known me my whole life you don't under any circumstances speak for me. I have a voice.
THIS THIS THIS. After getting my wisdom teeth out I physically could not speak but the doctor still looked at me while talking about the post operative care. Yes obviously they were also talking to my mom and dad because you know anesthesia and stuff but the gesture was there.
Idk if this counts but my mom once interviewed a guy who was applying to work for her company and he said something like “I just want to say, I have no issue whatsoever working for a woman.”
What should they do with an applicant who tells them "I just want to say, I believe in keeping work and serial killing completely separate."?
Slightly more context is needed for this one. Was he brand new to the working/interviewing process? How old was he? Had he just been on a job training course? Did he say it aggressively or was it something that he just blurted out through nervousness, not that that excuses it but it would give some context.
It should not have mattered whether he was working for a man or for a woman. Having said that, I had several female co-workers who worked for other women and without exception they hated it. Somehow, their (for lack of a better word) boss would come down extra hard on them, to the point where one co-worker was scolded for leaving mid-morning because her child got into an accident. They told me later it was if those women copied their male counterparts' behaviour and tripled the nastiness.
when interviewing for a job do you say, "hey i dont have issues working under a man" COMPLETELY UNPROMPTED
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I'm 5'2" and have never been over 127lbs. I like physically demanding jobs because it makes things go by faster and helps my depression. I constantly get asked if I need help with something heavy. Once had a dude watch me lift a 70lb box onto a conveyor belt and the clap when I got it up there. I gave him a dirty look and he stopped coming near me, so I count that as a win.
That's almost 32kgs. Way above the legal safe limit in Australia. Maybe you're getting offered help because you're a legal liability?
Yeah, if ya were doing that and you injured yourself, your workcover claim would be denied because you were acting unsafely.
Load More Replies...Anything over 50 lbs requires 2 people to lift. It's not about unwanted chauvinism. It's about the safety of your body. Sure, you can lift 70 lbs alright one time, in that moment. But doing that repeatedly, for hours a day, can do real damage.
Ha, not something the military worries about. You do build up training to run regularly with that kind of weight on your back. My absolute minimum, not including water or rifle, was 25kg, as a woman. I don’t know what the male weight requirement was.
Load More Replies...No one should carry such weight on their own... I was in a job where I was forced to lift a printer weighing similar to what the OP carried. I injured my arm and it's never fully healed. And I'm 5'9" and weigh 200lbs.
I had someone tell me recently "you shouldn't be doing that coz your a woman" whilst I was unloading beer cartons onto a trolley. I laughed and replied "well it won't unload itself"
One time as I walked across the carpark having pulled into my usual spot, a guy who had watched me do it felt the need to compliment me on how confidently I reversed into the space in such a big car (a normal station wagon as driven by mothers all over the world at the time)... I smiled sweetly and replied that I should be confident given I did it every day!
When we move houses the van men are always awestruck that I 'help out' by carrying the boxes. Keep praising me as though women are completely incapable of any form of strength, or even the thought of sharing the workload. They were carrying boxes of books one-by-one into the house and when I started doing the same, they upped it to two boxes of heavy books lol. They were straining lolol, no way could I do two but I didn't need to prove anything unlike them.
i was so proud the moment i d**g a 100 lb weight set off the unloading belt and onto a pallet. i was 92 lb at the time. felt like i had ant blood or something.
This is so annoying and the reason I stopped my side job when I was studying at university. In some fields it is just undoable of you are small and a woman
Kissing my hand when first meeting them. Please no.
During a proper "baise-main" the lips are not supposed to be in contact with the hand...
How about not putting your lips near anyone unless they're clearly wanting your lips anywhere near any part of their body?! Crazy thought, I know.
Load More Replies...When properly done, one never actually kisses the hand. It's more a matter of leaving a tiny space between the lips and the hand that's being 'kissed'.
The only time I was charmed by this was because it was a man with mental disabilities who seldom reacted much to anyone, but I spoke kindly to him and kissing my hand was his response. I was a bit surprised, but accepted it gracefully.
This. I know it is meant to be a compliment,!but I do not wear a signet ring, and kissing my hand creeps me out.
I have a thing about hands and I hate other people touching me in any way (I even hate hairdressers because their hands are on my hair) so if someone kissed my hand i would absolutely freak out
When someone interrupts/stops telling a story to apologise for the profanities being used in front of me.
My bf does this at times. I don't mind it so much, considering he knows I swear occasionally and doesn't take issue with it. I think he's calmed down with the apologies a bit over the years. I've had guys completely cut me out of their life and tell me they don't respect me once they hear me curse. That is demeaning.
Wow, I swear like a sailor and have no intention of stopping. I was brought up amongst evangelicals so am very aware the worst people on earth are prudes that gasp at a swear word, but would happily burn a woman at the stake for sex outside of marriage.
Load More Replies...I don't swear, we don't swear at home and i don't like profanity at all. So if someone apologises to me i graciously thank them for stopping something they know I'm uncomfortable with. It's very nice of them to consider me.
I get this a lot...honey I used to work at a casino, I've heard worse from folks who just lost all their money lol your "profanity" ain't nothing.
I do this with my friend, but that’s because I have an issue with cursing and she’s expressed being uncomfortable—- I also apologize to random strangers to slightly bumping into them— so y’know— I just like to apologize so people don’t get mad at me
People, especially strangers telling me how young I look or how skinny I am as if it’s a compliment.
I get the "you'd be pretty if you weren't fat". And I'm supposed to say thanks for the compliment.
I've lost a lot of weight unintentionally and people love to compliment me on it. What happens if I gain it back?
Yep. As someone who, for certain health reasons, has difficulty gaining weight, it's not always a compliment to be told I'm thin.
I was being tested for cancer (thankfully negative) because I was randomly losing weight. It was not a compliment at all
Load More Replies...I have more women do this than men, especially working in a restaurant. Folks, going out to eat doesn't involve any bit of commentary about your server's body skinny, fat, or otherwise, it's embarrassing.
I have become extremely aware of how I use compliments. I work a lot with young teenagers, and instead of completing how someone look, compliment what they are doing. 'that was a good way to solve that', 'quick thinking', 'you're really doing well.'
I have difficulty finding jeans that fit (because I'm short). People tell me how lucky I am because I am "small". Well, okay. Doesn't change the fact I can't find a decent pair of pants that fit....
Gosh yes!! I'm tired of being told I look like a teenager or barely legal. I'm 30!
To them it probably would be. Imagine people seeing the world through their own eyes. BONKERS, right?!
When I’m outside a hotel loading my stuff up and they walk up and start grabbing my stuff to “help,” me. Nah, that’s how s**t gets stolen and guys then they you owe them something. Or what happened when I was 12 I was out for a walk and guy in a utility van offered me a ride because it was too cold I declined multiple times and he kept saying he was trying to be nice 🙄like why would I wanna get in your dirty as van with you being a stranger
It's always the guys that say, "Hey, I'm a nice guy. Trust me!" Those are the ones you should avoid the most.
Random adult men who just happen to be in the same public space that believe they are “being nice” and have a right to get to know me. Being cordial is fine, but pushing hard for information is creepy. Especially when they start topics like, “are you still in school or are you working toward a degree?” Dude, I’m almost 30 but thanks for admitting you were attempting to target someone you thought was significantly younger and naive… it’s not a compliment when they don’t know me!!!
I have this theory about why the guys who are trying to appear nice and gentlemanly are so creepy and it's to do with the fact that it's an act and you get the uncanny valley creeps from them like it's something that is almost like a real person, but not quite
"May I ask you a personal question?" Absolutely effing not! And the same anser goes to the question online 'may I show you something?'
he's asking cause he can't tell how old you are, and instead of saying "you look young, like really young, how old are you?" he asks a general question to know if he SHOULD be talking to you or not.
If You say this is a problem... Then You should try living in 2024... This is low standard dating.....
If I'm holding a door already for everyone to get in and a man has to make it awkward by trying to be gentlemanly and hold the door for me.
You're causing a traffic jam then making it awkward holding the door also so now I gotta do a weird shimmy under your arm or go around you somehow to go inside. I hate it.
And for what? Because you think it's emasculating for a woman being nice holding a door?
You're not actually being nice to me either, you're taking away a choice I made to do an action and saying no, no, you can't do that woman.
I’m 59 and was raised to hold the door for women, children, the elderly and anyone who may have their hands full. Only once in my life was I called out by a women for my “sexist” behavior, but sorry stranger, my mother’s opinion matters more than yours.
Well, I'm on the fence about this one. Holding the door open for a woman is, as I see it, just a courtesy. I don't feel diminished or degraded or unempowered by it. Sure I can sit down by myself, but if someone gets my chair for me, that's nice. I don't attach any nefarious intent to it. Of course, I don't let anyone talk over me, but that to me is a totally different thing than holding the door for someone.
I don't think the issue is holding the door, more that OP is ALREADY holding the door for others to go through and a man takes it off her and tries to usher her through it.
Load More Replies...I actually like when someone else takes over, especially when I've had the door for a number of people and not given the chance to go in.
I hold open the door for people smaller than me. Which is just about everyone. It's 25% courtesy and 75% avoiding getting hit in the back of the head by a door someone lost control of.
i do this to anyone holding the door too long. you've done your service, let someone else hold it now.
You are inventing an entire narrative, and overwriting the actual intent. Boys learn from their mothers to hold doors for women, and do not question why. They just do it. The person you should be whining to, is the man's mother, not him. All you're doing is derailing his upbringing, young lady.
Well said. Nothing wrong with more considerate behaviour in the world, I believe.
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Men who refuse to swear or use curse words around women because they think we're too fragile and easily offended to handle it.
I can out-cuss a drunk rigger. I actually secretly like it when a man finds my language offensive because "women shouldn't talk that way."
I swear a lot. Given the mental health issues I have, I think it's a pretty reasonable trade off for letting off steam and staying reasonably sane. My daughter once swore in front of my mother, who naively said "Oh, she must have picked it up in the playground at school". And I looked her in the eye and said "Mum, she didn't swear in German - she definitely got it from me" (we live in Germany). Of course I try and watch what I say around the kids but sometimes a swear word will slip out. My daughter is old enough to know when it's appropriate to use the different languages she speaks, so I just taught her that it's not always appropriate to use swear words. She accepted and understood.
You are a wonderful parent. I don't know what the German health system is like, but I hope you have access to good treatment.
Load More Replies...I am about swear words what Mark Twain was about cigars - "I can cut them out completely, but I lack the will power for moderation."
Not wanting to use swear words around women does't necessarily means men think women too fragile. Perhaps it's because they deep down feel that using swear words will negatively impact the view women have of them.
I'm a woman, and the only time I keep my language clean is in church and in front of children. But at home, with friends, or alone, I turn into Samuel L. Jackson lol
A friend of mine really likes to help/defend female friends that are more feminine/delicate looking when they're drunk or being picked at by others, but then picks at/bullies the ones who are more independent/direct. It's the selectiveness that makes me uncomfortable.
I'm a multiple SA survivor. People don't necessarily believe me because I'm tall and overweight, so either they shouldn't be attracted or I should be able to fight them off. Firstly, predators often choose someone who is likely to have low self-esteem. It's not about attraction. Secondly, PTSD responses suck, and they are very real. If you freeze, you freeze, and you cannot make yourself fight back. Predators know that. Your friend has a predatory nature he hides behind some shallow white knighting.
Wishing you well in life. May you know only good things from now on.
Load More Replies...Your friend has a type (feminine, delicate women) and he is only (his idea of) nice to women he wants to f... Red flag
never seen one, so I couldn't tell ya. tiktok only shows me painting, gardening and cat videos.
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Guiding me with a hand between my shoulder blades.
I find this is the easiest way to push my victims down the stairs though.
Thank you for making me laugh after some serious emotional heavy lifting tonight.
Load More Replies...As I've said previously I would absolutely freak out if anyone touched me in any way so that would absolutely make them wary of doing it to anyone ever again!
Only do this for people who don't comprehend which direction is forward.
Or who have poor spatial awareness and are close to the edge of a platform
Load More Replies...Dennis. As a woman I would.like to inform you that if you ever touched the small of my back and used it to guide me I would not consider it a common courtesy. I would immediately pull away and would have anxiety about the whole situation. It's best to ask before you touch someone because people can become uncomfortable by the smallest things
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Not sure if this counts but those cringy "POV" TikToks where a guy acts out an imaginary scenario where he saves a girl from being harrased/assaulted. They just love imagining that a woman is being hurt just so that they can be a hero. And there's always epic movie type music playing in the background.
Never even heard of this b4, sounds kinda pathetic and cringey but then again i don't have Tiktok and not planning on getting it either.
I keep getting asked why I don't have TikTok and my answer is "Because I'm not 12 and I have an attention span that's greater than 10 seconds".
Load More Replies...I recently came to realize that the only time one of my male friends takes me seriously is when he gets the chance to play hero. He doesn't want to hang out with me just for the pleasure of my company. He always wants to be fixing or saving me. And if I get annoyed, it's "well, I helped you with XX." And the truth is, he has really helped me in some tough spots. But as I go through my therapy treatment and grow more independent, the less he wants to do with me. I'm not a person to him. I'm fodder for his ego as a hero and a fixer. So I ended the friendship, and he is really upset, not understanding why. But I want a friend, not a guardian.
Assuming I'm incapable of doing "mans" work.
Being my "friend" just to hop on the first chance to try to sleep with me. Then get salty when they get denied.
Sometimes you go into a friendship thinking that it's a friendship, but you start feeling more. That doesn't make you a bad person, so long as you respect the no and don't get mean about it. Even if you need to leave the friendship after romantic rejection for your own peace of mind, you're still not a bad person. People don't differentiate between jerks who "put the nice coins in hoping the sex will come out" and people who genuinely fall in unrequited love and have to walk away.
yes, we do differentiate between those two. One is a group who is COMPLAINING about the friendzone, the other group is normal people dealing with life. Never seen a single human woman who was upset because a guy took romantic rejection WELL
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Babying pregnant women because they "need protection", including from themselves.
When I was pregnant, one of my coworkers told on me to my husband (we work at the same company) because he thought the box I was carrying was too heavy for a pregnant woman to be carrying. 🙄
My husband laughed in his face because obviously I know my own limits.
Or strangers telling you what you can and cant eat. I once had a random man in a restaurant berate me for putting salt on my fries because it was bad for the baby. You know what else is bad for the baby... high blood pressure. So STFU and mind your own goddamn business.
YES. I was told off by a giant handyman's assistant for microwaving something because it would give the baby cancer. He blocked the doorway with his massive frame while he berated me *in my own home*. It made me feel even more vulnerable than I already did. I told his boss, who I know quite well privately, and he was fired for being a d**k. He was also completely incompetent.
Load More Replies...I had a colleague tell me I shouldn't be cycling to work, that was not well received, especially as the day before I took public transport and got elbowed in the stomach. I also had a man insist I take his seat on the tube... I didn't want it. I was going one stop, it took me ages to get back up and nearly missed my stop.
Dude tried to take ny bag and my arm while walking across an icy parking lot. He kept messing up my balance and finally I was like 'I. GOT. IT.' But he also called me 'Sunshine' at work even though I'm a middle aged, college educated woman. He wasn't flirting, just being a gross misogynist.
If l was called sunshine, considering my resting b***h face, l'd burst out laughing
You might want to consider what sunshine really means when you hear it from a man.
People insisting on carrying things for me. I worked in a warehouse for years and can’t count how many times I got told that the lifting should be left for the ‘men’.. I was usually the only employee on shift and if I left all the lifting for them men then I just wouldn’t be employed 🤷🏻♀️
A bit confusing. If she was usually the only employee on shift then who were all the men who were supposedly telling her to leave the lifting to them?
Whoever she was taking the boxes to, I guess. She may be the only one in the warehouse, that doesn't mean she's the only one in the building....
Load More Replies...I was working in a grocery store and guys kept trying to take heavier objects from me the thing is I am literally being paid to bag you stuff and load your cart I have a system for what goes where and messing with it is very annoying. The funny thing is I'm 5'8" and an athlete so often times I'd guess I can actually lift more than the guy in question. Like dude I can manage a 24 pack of water it's like 1/10th my max lift.
I worked at a big box store in the paint dept. Men would always pick-up the 5 gal buckets of paint "for me". I would wait until they realize how heavy they actually are and I would carry two at a time. Edit: clarification
Boys are taught by basically every role model they have to help in situations like this throughout their formative years. I get that if someone says, "I've got this, no thanks" and someone keeps trying to help that could be annoying. Just keep in mind that is how most young men are taught. If its a problem to help people lift things so they don't hurt themselves then make sure you teach your kids that.
Trying to tell you your relationship is bad because they're rather you were single. I've met several guys who compare people's partners to how they _imagine_ they themselves would behave in the relationship, and whaddya know, the other guys always come up wanting when compared to their personal mythology. And then it heads into "he's not good enough for you", and from there into "why do women only date a******s?"
I am unrequitedly in love at the moment. I'm working to get over him, but I've wanted to be with him my entire adult life (we've both had numerous relationships with other people), and I've been an adult longer than I've been a child. Now, I didn't tell him until recently, so that's my bad. But it's not going to happen, and I'm accepting that. But it's going to take me some time. And I have three different guys telling me to just start hating him and calling him evil. I've told all three of them I'm not interested in a relationship with them. I need to be on my own. But that goes in one ear and out the other. All three of them apparently have a magic d**k that will cure my ills.
I went through something similar except I had a few months where we were seeing each other. I didnt tell him I was in love with him but I felt that the feelings were mutual. Little did I know I was just a rebound for him. It took me so long to get over the way I felt about him. I’m now married and 10,000 times more in love with my husband then I ever felt for that guy. It’ll get better with time.
Load More Replies...I've always thought this. A guy goes "Why is she dating that a*****e, I'd treat her like a queen!"...Yeah, maybe for the first few weeks of the relationship just like that "a*****e" probably did. It doesn't matter how much you're crushing on someone, once you get into a relationship eventually you're both going to be yourselves and nobody lacks flaws, everyone argues. Pretty soon some other dude is going to be saying the same thing to her about you..
Ugh I have a story for this one
I used to work in a brothel, I did quite well and didn’t mind the work at the time. One day a very rich (now ex) friend offered me money completely unprompted. I thought maybe he wanted sexual favours but he claimed that wasn’t it. I declined stating that I don’t take money I haven’t earned then few months later he offered me a job.
He claimed he’d pay me whatever I ask to be on call 24/7 as his personal assistant (he ran multiple businesses)
i was about to start working as an escort for an agency making upwards of $500 an hour, I would have barely had to work but he swooped in with this incredible offer of training me in his field and flying me around the world I thought I may as well take the opportunity.
Seeing as I was about to make so much money I set my price pretty high but then s**t got weird.
He offered me a personal assistant job, but instead of filing paperwork and organising meetings as he promised I spent each day cleaning his apartment and tending to his increasingly ridiculous requests (drive 14 hours to pick something up, organise mtg cards, fix an aircon etc)
THEN he decided he’d rather only pay me half of what he promised for the 2 months of work I did and that’s when I quit, there was no contract or anything so had to cut my losses.
I chalk this up to a white knight complex because on multiple occasions he tried to “help” me financially and tried to give me an out of the s3x industry neither of which I wanted or asked for and it actually ended up screwing me over I couldn’t afford rent or food for the month after and lost the chance to be with the agency.
Men I don’t know being gentlemanly (hmm) and letting me walk up the stairs in front of them when I’m wearing a short skirt or shorts. This usually happens with repairmen in my house.
"After you" is just basic politeness. We're not all voyeurs and rapists.
French savoir vivre says that you should precede a woman when entering an unfamiliar place and on stairs. If you do it, do it well.
Load More Replies...In your house, you know the way. They don't. How are they supposed to not follow you? If it makes you uncomfortable, perhaps.. a longer skirt or shorts when you expect repairmen that need to work upstairs?
Though, it’s not hard to ‘know the way’ up some stairs and just wait a few seconds for her to catch up, then let her lead once both people are on the same level.
Load More Replies...In... your house... the repairman has no idea where they're going. You do. It's *your* house. You *should* be leading. And if you're wearing something so revealing that you can't have a stranger walk behind you without getting a vibe, maybe you should rethink what you're wearing. Or at least have a robe handy.
To be fair, you let the homeowner lead the way in their own house.
If its in YOUR HOUSE you're expected to lead the way, so that's natural. Also, Knigge said we have to walk behind you in case you fall so we can catch you. :-D But I know ... walking up something with your bum in someone else's face is weird. I usually move to the side or walk slower to make it less awkward.
All the dudes in the comments here who don't get that women 1) have different clothes and 2) can tell when the same situation gets very different results when wearing different outfits Dudes, when we complain about "men" doing things, we're running stats in our head. It's not that one man did = all men did. It's that we noticed that when A happens X number of men do this, when B happens Y number of men do this, and in our experience X > Y so therefore in our experience when A happens "men" do this
Notice that these men do exactly the same thing when you wear pants or a long dress. It's a safety custom. If the smaller person goes first and slips, the larger person can block their fall down the stairs. Much less likely to be successful if that order is reversed.
*Notice that these men do NOT do exactly the same thing when you're wearing pants All y'all think women don't notice the difference? Are we that stupid that we've never put noticed, or just lying?
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Men getting unnecessarily loud/aggressive with customer service people at small inconveniences in order to seem more alpha/in control.
I have zero problem standing up for myself or resolving my own issues. However I’m not going to treat people like s**t to do so. If I need to escalate something I’m going to be firm but civil.
It’s incredibly embarrassing to watch them step in and puff out their chest and throw a literal tantrum.
Sorry, but going off at customer service workers over minor inconveniences is not a gendered thing. Just as many women do it as men.
I've worked in restaurants for many years and I agree.
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When guys come up to u while ur clearly having a fun and enjoyable time and being very affectionate towards a guy or person ur with and they ask the "is this guy bothering u" I can not tell u how many times this has happened to me when I was with my husband and we act like any other married couple holding hand and laughing and just having fun and guys have come up to me to ask
At first I just thought it was tht maybe I looked uncomfortable or something with out Meaning to then some of my guy friends were like oh nah they prolly have a hero complex and wanna be the knight in shining armor some guys are just like tht so idk
Needing to feel needed and not being able to cope when you do in fact not need them
That's more of a human condition, I think. Many people need to feel needed for various reasons.
I like your comments throughout this post as they project common sense and compassion, traits lacking a lot these days.
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Opening the car door for me. It’s very awkward waiting for them to walk around and open it. Ima big girl and can handle the door myself.
Then why haven't you already opened the door? Like, it takes awhile to get out of the car and walk around it. What on earth are you doing during this time? Nesting?
My husband did this the other day. But it should be said I had damaged my shoulder. He opened the door, put the seat belt around me, kissed me on the top of the head, and closed the door. This is loving and caring for an injured partner. He doesn't normally do this, because I don't normally need this.
This one made me go ask the group chat cos while I don't date guys, I find them opening doors for me to be rather sweet. The only remotely negative response was from the lesbians, who were all annoyed at the suggestion of being on a date with a guy.
A guy broke up with me over this. I'm used to being very independent, and it was such a struggle to get used to him opening the door, so I finally told him I appreciated that he was so considerate and gentlemanly, but it was stressing me out to always remember to wait and let him, so could I just get in the car myself? And that was it. He was done.
I think this is the part all the "but it's just being polite" responses are missing- the social norms at play, and how there's no one "right" way to handle these situations with someone you don't know well.
Load More Replies...These days, some people ask "Do men still open car doors?" "Of course, that's how we get inside."
When a man open the car door to a women, you know that at least one of the two is new ;-)
My husband can do all that stuff for me.. order my food/drink without asking me? Sure thing! Open the vehicle door for me? Well thank you! Offer to carry the bags of stuff to our destination? You're amazing!! We've been married nearly 10 years and he still does all that and more for me. If it was a first date and the guy tried to do that I'd probably.. have to go to the bathroom and not go back. My hubby and I met in high-school. He was there for me in the hardest parts of my life. He knows me more than I know myself sometimes. He has always been my knight in shining armour. The only things he could possibly do to make me uncomfortable, he does on purpose, because we need excitement in our lives lmao.
I don't understand what this means - could you please explain?
Load More Replies...And the moral of the story is: avoid all other people and keep to yourself. I'm ok with that.
You're right... it's all about assuming women are lesser and can't decide for herself what she needs or can do. Which is why the title uses inverted commas around White Knight.
Load More Replies...And the moral of the story is: avoid all other people and keep to yourself. I'm ok with that.
You're right... it's all about assuming women are lesser and can't decide for herself what she needs or can do. Which is why the title uses inverted commas around White Knight.
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