35 Unethical Practices That Are Surprisingly A Thing In Some Schools, As Pointed Out By Folks Online
Now, school ought to be a place of learning where eager minds would try to soak in every bit of knowledge and experience they can before they hit the real world.
Alas, schools are also a place where certain decisions beg more questions than they could possibly answer and, in some cases, it has reached unethical levels.
People of Reddit have been listing unethical practices that schools do, and nobody is really batting an eye about it. The discussion generated nearly 11,000 comments with over 24,000 upvotes.
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Harassing teenage girls for "dressing inappropriately" when a millimeter of their bra strap is showing (or some other bulls**t like that). Telling them it distracts the boys and invites unwanted attention.
When they actually get harassed (or worse) the school does nothing.
It also perpetuates the notion that girls are responsible for controlling boys’ behavior!
It is not only sexist but it has very pedophiliac connotations. My catholic school did not allow middle school or high school girls to wear any kind of shorts (they needed to go until your ankles) (yes also doing sports at 40C with long trousers) or to even wear sandals. Once we asked our tutor why we couldnt do it (at least for gym) and the boys could and he answered "because their knees are not erotic". It repulses me two decades later to think that he found our knees erotic
If I had the power, I would pass a law saying that sexualizing girls like this would result in a minimum of 1 year in prison and be put on a sex offender's list for 10 years.
Load More Replies...Or worse: the school tell the girls they are "overreacting", "boys will be boys", and "boys behave like that because they like you", and "maybe it's your fault for wearing short skirts". Disgusting.
Those first two absolutely boil my piss. Just no, teach your boys or my daughter will punch him in the face and I will buy her a cake.
Load More Replies...If a 15 year old boy gets distracted by a girl's body IT IS NOT HER FAULT!
Honestly, how can they not see that a boy being massively distracted by the strap of the thing that's holding someones tits up is a massive issue for the boy only and his to deal with.
Load More Replies..."Dressing inappropriately" That's a load of bullsh*t. When I went to school, we had no dress code. During summer, girls would wear above the knee skirts and shorts, spaghetti tops, crop tops, etc., our bra straps were showing, and no one felt "distracted". Not even 15 yo boys. No one. So this dress code is just a tool for controlling women.
the culture of guilt about women's body is more about adults ideologies that the reality...the f**k up thing is, that that's how the boys learn and grow up to believe that is what me do, and then just adjust to it...you get a perfect circle passing down this mentality down the generations...
Because aparently boys can get seduced by shoulders? In all seriousness this is a dumb rule that needs to be abolished and made socially unacceptable
My head teacher in high school hated my from day one and among other things often criticized my clothing and kept saying that the school rules don't allow this or that so after a while I asked for the specific rules. He said I should not wear anything "not acceptable to public opinion" . I asked if that meant his opinion. He couldn't answer.
How about punishing boys for being distracted by a bra strap and giving unwanted attention to girls?
Lowering a school's funding if the SAT scores are low. If the scores are low, there should be more funding to help kids learn!
Yep, also schools funded from local taxes, which means low income areas are also low funded areas.
Its funded by the state and feds... its literally illegal to do that...stop living in fantasy land
Load More Replies...That's banker thinking right there - got no money? it'll cost you! Have lots of money? Here, have more!
American public school system is broken..... very broken..... beyond broken!
Then do something...ooohhhh yes you guys like to complain and not step up..cause if it's not your way you cry and reeeeeeee
Load More Replies...There are a lot of steps schools follow when scores are low. My favorite is, after 3 or so years the scores don't go up the state gets rid of the entire staff and replaces them with others. For some reason government thinks the problem is only about teachers and has nothing to do with all of the other societal difficulties.
An explanation of American schools: unlike in most countries, where schools get funded per number of students, USA does it differently. Block funds are supplied by the US federal government, but most of school funding comes from local government, through revenue gained from property tax. So if you live in a wealthy town with high home ownership, your already-privileged kid goes to a lovely school with lots of resources, plenty of books, and computers and sports and music and art, etc. If you live in an economically depressed area, where most people rent, then your school will be severely underfunded, students will not have enough of anything, and even the teachers are likely to be less educated or less motivated, because the school can't pay as well. So the poor kids are completely screwed over.
Legally I don't think that's allowed as the SAT is not a compulsory test. And tbh throwing money at a situation doesn't help - the lowest performing schools in NJ (Newark & Camden) have the highest spending per pupil with state assistance.
Yes it's fake propaganda these articles are terrible
Load More Replies...Raising funds with low results just makes school staff become lazy. Why caring about results if funds raised anyway? What a low-rated school needs is attention from authorities. Maybe raising funds could provide solutions, maybe the problem is somewhere else.
TESTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ACADEMIC SUCCESS!. Quit making the correlation.
Two things: I don't understand; aren't SATs optional, and only for entering college or university? Why should they affect school funding? Also, shouldn't this be a picture of American money? Israeli high schools don't depend on SAT scores at all, and, in fact, there are two other tests one can take to qualify, instead.
Bullied and harassed students having the same repercussions as their bully for defending themselves.
I've never understood this...even as adults...in our country if someone is trying to kill you and you defend yourself, you can be charged with assault...like what?!?!
It's so administrative staff don't have to think about who did what. Any infraction for any reason will get the same punishment. Cookie cutter zero tolerance.
Load More Replies...I got suspended for punching (and breaking the nose of) the girl who slashed my arm with a broken bottle (I would not give her my project so she could use it as hers) ... when we threatened a lawyer I had mine rescinded but she was only suspended for a week. The police would no NOTHING. (1980s Canada...) I had to live in fear of her repercussion for the rest of the year. She flunked out and could not come back...thank god.
yup, UK and my fiance got suspended from school for his safety because he broke up with a girl and her friends were threatening to kill him. Instead of, you know, punishing the students actually doing the threatening.
Load More Replies...This pisses me off so much.. I know a kid who is always getting picked on, like daily and its bad what they do to him.. school does nothing. One kid started hitting him and he finally defended himself and beat the crap out of the bully and they both got suspended.. he was literally so scared and defending his self. If someone hits you, you should be able to defend yourself without fear of being in trouble.
My special needs daughter was suspended for two weeks because she hit a boy who wouldn't stop grabbing her bra strap on the bus. Broke his nose all over his face. He was kicked out of school
My son (9), level 15 empath.. kind and patient and loving..: did everything he could to get a bully to leave him alone, walked/ran away, informed teachers, etc... none of it worked. Kid shoved him into the street... my son beat the hell out of this kid. School calls byes suspended for a week. No punishment at our house. He did what he had to.
By that logic, if I beat up a math teacher, they would probably be fired and I'd be suspended.
Can confirm. I got pushed into a metal door by my bully and we both got suspended for 3 days, had to do community service and turn the 18 without doing anything else wrong. She claimed I started it even though I had earbuds in and just wanted to go home. She ended up stealing her moms car and breaking house arrest
OOOOOOhhhhhh I am so much to say about this but will leave it at this.... We told our kids that you don't ever pick a fight with anyone but if someone is bullying you, feel free to end it and we both will stand with you 100% and defend you. I cannot stand bullys and I can't stand the way schools handle it!
In my experience "bully free" means bullies are free to fo as they please. My kids attended a school where the admins were overpaid but they supposedly didn't have the budget to have a full time school nurse or soecial needs teachers. As a result there was one kid with severe behavior problems who ran rampant with no consequences. We got our kids out of that school ASAP
How sports programs have way more money than any other programs at the school… because school is a business not education.
Sports are focused on FAR too much at the schools by me. Whenever I drive past there are ALWAYS notices about games and whatever. School should be focused on education, not sports
i mean i failed half my p.e. classes and almost got held back because i wasnt fit and got too tired to work out.
Load More Replies...Not an issue when you don't have extracurricular sports connected with schools :)
As a former drum major of an nationally awarded band, playing half time shows at ALL football games home or away... We were wearing decades old polyester nightmares while the team got new uniforms and equipment EVERY YEAR.
In my high school, the music building leaked and had mold, but the sports teams got new stuff every year, too. About 5% of kids were involved in sports, where 20% were involved in music. And that 20% held almost the entire honor roll. Our sports teams weren't even that good.
Load More Replies...Sports programs build character and keep kids from dropping out. Our coach gave up a professional career to run our high school sports program for over two decades so far. Hundreds of lives were changed because of him. But funding sports at the expense of music, art, cooking, sewing, and all the other fun stuff that kids used to look forward to is insane. Who wants academics--and only academics--all day long? It's exhausting, so kids stop coming. Lack of the fun classes also deprives kids of needed life skills.
I experienced this. When I was going to both middle school and high school-- the sports teams got a totally free ride. Paid equipment, paid uniforms, paid trips. And meanwhile, the music classes like choir and band, we got NOTHING. A tiny, tiny budget for music (that we had to photocopy to get enough copies of), and that was it. We had to pay for everything else ourselves. The excuse was, 'but sports equipment is expensive!' And musical instruments aren't?! The other excuse was 'but the sports teams win awards!' The musical groups did as well. Hell, we did BETTER than the sports teams. We didn't begrudge the sports teams getting funding, but we did resent that that got most of the pie while we got crumbs.
Have a story similar to this. My high school was planning on canceling the culinary class so that the music class could have a practice room. They quickly changed their tune when some of the wealthier parents threatened to pull funding if the school did this.
Music is important, too. Have your never seen "here comes the boom"?
Load More Replies...Coming from Texas where we have the world's most expensive high school stadium (which is falling apart btw) yet they cut all art, music and most science classes to pay for it... it's a disgrace
And into college as well where the coaches are often the higest paid faculty.
Awarding “perfect attendance.” Encouraging kids to go to school while sick is pretty unethical if you ask me.
Yes. But students who had perfect attendance were often rewarded with special treats. Which, in effect, does the same thing
Load More Replies...At my HS graduation ceremony, the entire class, including me, discovered one of my friends had never missed a day of school since kindergarten. The principal then made a joke that maybe he'd break his dad's record at the factory in town. The kid had been t-boned by a drunk driver 2 years before and his parents still made him go to school. The comment from the principal set off a switch in his head. On Monday, he loaded up a U-Haul to move in with his fiance (set to get married in a week). He went to the new place and told her he had to escape now or it would never happen as he was scheduled to start working the next day at the factory. They loaded up her stuff into the U-Haul and just headed South. Eloped to Nashville, TN and after a couple of misfires, they opened a bait shop. Kids are grown up but he had a "gone fishing sign" and he'd shut down if they were sick or just needed a day off from school. He was voted "best life" at our 20th reunion.
What a great story! Thanks for sharing it with us. 😊😊😊
Load More Replies...It also penalises children with disabilities who need time off to see specialists.
It also punishes kids who have parents with chronic illnesses or disabilities that might prevent them from getting the kids to school. Or parents who just don’t have their acts together.
Load More Replies...One kid literally had Covid and came. I HAVE COVID BECAUSE OF SOME MF
Plus , you dont know if someone has covid19 or not , cause it's between the person and thier doctor, its private information, not to be out in the open!
Load More Replies...Punishing for school attendance is directly related to work force abuse.
My brother had cancer as a child. He never had a chance to have perfect attendance. I bet he would have preferred to be in school. I hate this "award"!
firing lunchroom staff for serving food to poor students whose families can't afford to pay
We've got school lunches in primary and secondary schools here...which are free and for low income families. A few years back they also instituted breakfast.
Mine had optional free breakfast for kids who needed it, most kids didn't bother but it was available. Then lunch was very cheap, but you could get it free if you were low income.
Load More Replies...Since pandemic school lunch has been free at my school. It's pretty low quality but free access to poor food is better than no food. Hopefully it will improve in quality in the future.
Some minced beef, spices, tinned tomatoes and a LOT of veg, and you have a great pasta or chilli dish for dozens of kids for very little money. Honestly it can be cheaper than low quality food, if you have a school interested enough.
Load More Replies...I got fired for this. I have the student MY FREE lunch that they give to every employee, including teachers. They told me since I didn't eat it myself it became theft.
WTF!!! I can see food workers being fired for just giving it away, but YOUR OWN MEAL????? How dumb!!
Load More Replies...As far as I know, every single state in the US has programs to give free or reduced school lunches to those families are low income. There is never, ever a reason to let children go hungry.
Yes, but the issue is sometimes they're really gross and not nutritious.
Load More Replies...So I pay property taxes not so that kids can eat lunch, but so that the District Administrators can make $175,000/yr? Dog bless America.
At my school, ever since covid, lunch has been free. Before then it was way to expensive (5$ per lunch) As someone who isn't high income, that change has been such a blessing.
In my state there's a free or reduced meal program you can sign up for. And I can see servo,g kids for free as a problem if its with the schools money without the schools permission, but if its the lunch lady paying for it, how did the school even find out?
Collective punishment; one or two pupils misbehave and the entire class gets punished for it.
When i was in 3rd grade this one kid had the nerve to start coughing in class because he was sick and ALL 20 OF US got in trouble because this one poor kid was sick. It was so messed up. Every time one person did something bad everyone else was punished too. I was a goody two shoes and never got in trouble but i was constantly missing recess and having to have silent lunch because one kid talked out of turn. I am still bitter about it years later.
This was how it was when I was at a military boarding school in the UK in the 70's - the thinking behind it was it was the collective responsibility of the (admittedly, small) classes to quash any insurrection / insubordination / misbehaviour, as, unless one owned up to the infraction, everyone was punished. This taught us all a few things, the main ones being 1) if you are caught, own up immediately 2). If you did it and you don't own up and all of us get punished, you will get a kicking from all of us, enough to hurt but not enough to mark your face or extremities (even then those injuries were written off as Rugby d***s) and 3rd and lastly, if you are going to break the rules and as it's not injuring anyone or too illegal (eg, going to see a girlfriend or going to a party etc ...) , let us all know and we will cover your a**e !! Lessons well learnt that have served me well over the intervening years .....
Sounds like an environment rife with black mail, probably the 4th thing you learned there 😂
Load More Replies...I *hate* this. Hate, hate, hate. This is how you f*ck up kids who are already high anxiety and depressed. I'm still in therapy because (in my own words) "I take everyone's faults and wrongs and make them my responsibility." How? How can you do that to a kid?
My first elementary school did this, when one kid would mess up we all were instructed to say "Thank you (name) for (doing whatever they did)." Humiliating and horrible.
Oh my gosh yes. The only case where this might maybe possibly be acceptable is if you don't know who misbehaved. It really just makes students hate each other and causes tension.
What was that ridiculous saying "Peter pays for Paul and Paul pays for all"....utter nonsense.
once when we had a substitute in 4th grade he punished the entire class for misbaving at the bathrooms after lunch...except me and another girl weren't there bc she was in a wheelchair so we went to a different bathroom and back to class separately. He said that meant us too. And when I asked him why bc we werent even there he said it was only to make it fair to the whole class. When I asked him how on earth it was fair to make the 2 of us write lines he didnt have an answer. I didnt write lines. Whats he gonna do? Tell the principle that the goody 2 shoes straight A student refused to write lines for something that happened she wasnt present for?? bitch please
The one time that happened to me was when the metalwork teacher said we couldn't leave because one tool hadn't been returned, even though most of us had a bus to catch. Guess where it was finally tracked down to? His tool belt. Wasn't sad when he retired the next year (although I didn't have to take metalwork again so I was already winning).
Too much homework. Let kids be kids. A little homework is good but god don't drown the kids in it.
I hear that...we used to have hours of homework. Sometimes I just want to relax and sleep.
I have NEVER believed in "homework." Kids are in class all bloody day doing Work, once School is over, that should be it.
Load More Replies...Yeah, homework was bullcrap. Six teachers who think 45 minutes to an hour of homework is ok...so, homework is ALL you do after a full day of school. Most homework was just busy work...Why do I have to copy the question out of the book and also answer it? It's in the damn book, right there. Why make it take longer?
Yes. And teachers would assign dozens of the same math problem with different values. If you understand the concept, you don't need to to do it over and over and over. If you don't, you're not getting it on the 20th repetition.
Load More Replies...We have very little or no at all homework in Finland and we still manage to be in top countries when it comes to education, kids need to be allowed to be kids, and you know they actually might learn something when they dont need to do hours and hours of mandatory tasks. I dont do tests or read work related literature after working hours, why should small kids.
Note, I teach high school. Most of my students read on a third to fifth grade level. At the end of the day, I don't care what they read, as long as they read. Instead of figuring out the HW balance, we need to figure out the intervention balance. How do we help kids master basic skills instead pushing them through our industrial education system and spitting them out with information but no knowledge?
Load More Replies...I couldn't do most of my homework, because by the time I got home, I'd just collapse. I was so tired. I have chronic fatigue, and it started in middle school. Of course, we didn't know what was causing it back then, so the teachers just told me I was being lazy e__e I also had to sit at my desk with my head on my arms, which the teachers assumed meant that I wasn't paying attention. I was.
Oh no! A friend of mine had chronic fatigue in year 11 & 12. Thankfully she was able to graduate with only two subjects as she wasn't planning on going to uni anyway. I hope you are feeling better now.
Load More Replies...It also sets the wrong precedence for when you're an adult. This is why so many people feel like they should still be available to work outside of office hours. It's ingrained in us from childhood.
I remember seeing a picture of someone's child's syllabus, that said the only homework would be any unfinished work from class. That teacher has the right idea.
I used to get so much homewrok once that it felt like a fuse broke and i stopped doing it for a very long time which caused my grades to slip. I am still getting a lot of homework and it’s difficult to keep doing each and every page
I would ne in classes 8 hours and homework for 3 or 4 hours. Also, our evening chores . Walking home was my exercise and fresh air.
Load More Replies...My older girls are 3 and 5 and get homework. Fair enough they get a couple of sheets of it and were meant to pick off things to do from it and hand it in by the end of half term but it's a flat no in this house. Both kids are massively ahead. Outside school is their time to be children. They learn loads outside school, but they learn along things they're interested in and want to learn about. The school have been told neither will be doing it. 🤷
That is very young for homework. I taught preschool with 3 year olds and there was no homework (except in place of learning during covid). 5 year olds generally just had nightly reading too.
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Requiring you to purchase textbooks brand new from the college's bookstore because that's the only way to get the access code to complete the required assignments on the publishers website.
I remember the problem of buying school books when we were poor. But actually some college books are only purchased by a few dozen people on that particular course, so would not be produced without those purchases. So SOME people purchasing the book is important. However you acquire the book should not be anything to do with the college though.
If school would be free for the attendees and supported from government budgets, the writing of books could be centralized and budgeted without forcing children to choose between books and meals. Saying that some people must purchase the book doesn't solve the problem.
Load More Replies...Or to purchase books written by your professor(s) in order to pass the exam. You had to show the brand new book at the exam and the professor signed it. (This way we couldn't use the same book for several students). I didn't have money, so I failed the exam. Happened to me and to many others. The college management received multiple complaints and did absolutely nothing.
I had a text book that was $500 and we used it ONE DAY ... but needed it for the code.
College textbooks are one of the biggest scams there is in higher ed. It is ridiculous.
Is this really a thing? I'm doing currently my master's level and haven't had to buy any books. All assignments can be done without using textbooks. Lecturers teach you material, give you access to relevant information, and rest is own research. Library personnel is there to help you access material not available in Library. I thought it was normal that colleges don't seek to fail you, but always pass you. My lecturers go out of their way to help students who fall back. They email, seek contact with failing students directly, help them access support groups (maths lab, engineering labs), mental health accessibility. Surely this is the norm and not "buy textbook to get access to publishers website for an assignment". You are set up to fail and go in debt.... This is why we are sort of qualified people in many industries if colleges just keep you in them until you can afford to BUY access to assignments. What the hell do you pay the college fees for?
For my education degree, we had a few books that we had to read multiple chapters for so we either bought or photocopied from the library or another student. Most courses had more readings from journal articles which we accessed from online. At the end of the unit we could then sell our books to someone else if we wanted as the editions didn't really change much.
Load More Replies...And then the book wasn't used and loses 75% of value even though you never opened it.
When I was the Chair of an Engineering Graphics program I required one book for the entire four semesters Associates Degree. I always had copies of the book (various editions) around for students to borrow. I also showed student that were finding it hard to buy the book how to find older copies on Ebay or Craigslist. I joked with students that the mafia had given up their old practices of making money and had taken over college text business.
And then the professors/lecturers tell you on the first day that they won't be using the text. We worked out not to buy anything until the class had started and the lecturer had said what texts were necessary. Even myself, when I was young and at uni and had no family support, I was told I had to buy a book for 50 pounds. That was astronomical to me. But it was an illustrated dictionary (Larousse) for the study of French. I figured that language couldn't have changed THAT much, and it was for my reference, so I went to the second hand bookstore in town and got an older copy for 5 pounds. In the USA, college textbooks are nothing but a racket.
I was a decently misbehaved third grader. Told my teacher I had a stomach ache and I needed to go to the nurse. I asked a number of times. She thought I was just trying to get out of individual reading time. My appendix burst on the bus ride home.
I was never one to ask to go to the nurse. Just a hyperactive kid my teacher apparently had enough of. Denying medical attention to an 8 year old seems unethical. This is not a "boy who cried wolf" story for all those saying "I told ya so".
I remember one time in digital technology class I developed a splitting pain below my stomach. I think it was trapped gas in my bowels or something. Anyway, I asked my teacher if I could go to the nurse, but she told me no because class was "almost over" and that I have to wait until it was finished before I could go. Except that class was over in an hour, so I had to stay seated in my chair, in agony, for an hour. Did I mention that digital technology was my last class that day? So school was over by the time class ended and I couldn't stay behind because then I'd be late and I can't be late because my mum had to pick up my brothers from their schools as well so I never got to the nurse. And then there was that other time where I nearly fainted in the mandatory religion class and I did have to go to the nurse and while my friend was leaving my schoolbag in the nurse's office, she told me that the substitute teacher was pissed at me for missing class.
I got detention for being late to class, when I had taken my friend to the loo. She felt sick and started throwing up, so I and another friend stayed with her and then took her to the nurse. Teacher went mental at us for being late, said helping a friend was not an excuse, and when I said would you rather us have left her on her own not feeling well, it was a genuine question in the moment because I was shocked by his attitude, he said yes! And I then got another detention for my bad attitude…
Load More Replies...Also I've never understood the "no you may not go to the washroom right now" like...damn...I didn't know I can tell my body when to go...how strange.
Some teachers have this thing that once they label a kid a "problem child", they just always expect the worst from that poor kid and never give them the benefit of the doubt, and usually end up treating them really unfairly.
Also, the "good kids" are labeled and treated a certain way.
Load More Replies...One time, I had a terrible headache. I wanted to die and my stomach was killing me. The teacher said I couldn't go to the nurse because I was black and black people didn't need attention. Would you look at that, my appendix said peace.
My daughter had to use her epipen in art class in Junior high. There was a substitute and she confiscated the epipen claiming my daughter was using it for attention.
I hope you reported her because that's illegal, or it is where I'm from. It is covered under duty of care and if a teacher fails in that then they can be charged. It's drummed into us on day one of teacher study.
Load More Replies...On the first or second week of first grade (at a private catholic school, fyi) I had a super high fever in class, I couldn't keep my eyes open or my head up, so I rested my head on the table and closed my eyes. A counselor went to my classroom, was talking to the teacher about the students, the teacher introduced my classmates by name, when she got to me she said "there's Red, who's sleeping." I remember angrily saying "I'm not sleeping!" None of them bother to check on me. None of them gave a tiny rat's ass. I threw up later, just as we were about to leave the classroom. Turns out I had a nasty stomach bug, couldn't go to class for a week.
I can understand a teacher being skeptical about a student who asks to go to the toilet all the time, but usually we just make sure they don't go at the same time as a friend. But denying medical attention is so wrong, especially since usually kids hate asking to see the nurse as they make them sit around doing nothing until they feel better if it's a non-specific 'unwell'.
So am I the only one who got up and left anyway in those situations? They don't own you. What were you guys so afraid of happening if you just went?
I asked to go to the bathroom several times during a class because I felt really nauseous and like I was going to puke. But I kept not puking. Finally the teacher screamed at me in front of everyone for faking it. Instead of realizing I had an upset stomach and should probably see the nurse. So I stopped asking to go to the bathroom and wound up puking all over her classroom. She then sent me to the office. But not before calling them (in front of me) to tell them I was bad child who forced myself to throw up to get back at her. Still refused to see or believe I was sick.
Bullied students are told to leave because it's easier to kick out a quiet victim than a loud bully
Or when they call the bully and say "bullied kid said you did X" and when they deny it they just leave it there...like thanks for now increasing the bullying that already existed.
Or the teacher themselves join in on it and you know you can't go to anyone above them because why would the teacher bully a student? Everyone knows you're just a lying little POS for talking crud about someone who deserves your respect you ungrateful crazy liar! - actually told to me by the principal of my HS when I was a freshman.
Load More Replies...Happened to someone I know. She never finished school after being taken out of the one class, then from that school, and ended up not going to the private school they afterwards put her in. But she is a lovely human being, although life was totally unfair to her in many ways. It’s weird how some people can live through stuff, that would break most and keep their kindness, loveliness, and decency.
Replace “bullied students” with “rape victims” and you’re describing the US military
Another sad truth is that is also often easier to get a bullied student's parent to comply with ?(any) action that the bully's. The bully's parents are quite often difficult or aggressive themselves. In a roundabout way, lots of the bully's behaviour comes from their relationship with the parents (in a breathtaking variety of ways). Not saying it's right at all, but its another factor to consider.
Oh me oh my oh! That’s rewarding bad behavior, thereby ensuring the bullying continues.
Yep...been there, done that. Teacher knew what was going on, just took the easier way out. Troublesome kids still raised hell after I was gone.
One of my bullies was the principal's son and another was the valedictorian so nothing was ever done
When a boy tried to assault my daughter, she kicked him with her steel toed shoes and he was sent to juvie
Yeah I was bullied in highschool. The school did nothing even though I was being told to kill myself because apparently I was a whore (a Virgin who just moved there and got a lot of unwanted attention from boys) and they decided it best for me to finish freshman year homeschooled.
This is probably very specific to my home country but period checks
I'm from Malaysia and yes sadly this is a thing and I've witnessed it firsthand. Mostly to make sure girls aren't lying about their periods just to get out of prayer activities.
It's religious doctrine, so of course that means there's nothing holy about it.
Load More Replies...Exactly. Muslim women aren't allowed to pray while on their period.
Load More Replies...Next country they make them sleep in a hut when they have it. Indonesia they still do virginity checks on police cadets
You can't pray when you are on your period?? This is just another example of how we know god was invented by man, not the other way around.
My mom used to tell me I couldn’t take communion if I was in my period. Once I was old enough to make up my own mind, I threw that out the window. I was taught Jesus died for everyone. There was no disclaimer in the bible excluding women on their period from this.
Load More Replies...So...many....questions...how do they check for periods exactly? Why would you lie about it to attend prayer? Would they punish you for not attending prayer by lying about being on your period? Why is prayer a school requirement???
The schools are probably religious schools, or perhaps because it is a public school so the government decides that everyone has to pray as there is a national religion.
Load More Replies...Women's periods have been treated and misunderstood since the beginning of time. This doesn't surprise me, but does still make me sad!
Malaysian here. This actually caused quite an uproar when parents/people found out about it. If I remember correctly, this was mostly in boarding schools, where they usually have communal prayer sessions (regular day schools don't have them). Not sure if period checks are still a thing after the backlash. Most people feel that whether one prays or not, or lied to get out of prayer sessions, that is really between the individual and god, and not something to be "policed" with vile period checks or whatever. Edited to add: from what I know, the period check wasn't a national policy/directive, it was some overzealous teachers/ wardens, possibly condoned by the schools themselves.
zero tolerance policies.
Oh that kid hit you for no reason? both suspended zero tolerance!
Zero tolerance sometimes meant Zero Effort or Zero Intelligence.
Might as well hit back for all it's worth! The punishment is the same either way, make it count!
Load More Replies...My daughter took a 50 cent soda on accident. Her hands were full, she put it in the water bottle holder on her backpack, it happens. She was suspended for the same 10 days as a kid whole stole a school iPad. Cause ya know. Zero tolerance, rules are rules.
This! The victim does nothing and takes the hit or beating. They get suspended because they had physical contact with the aggressor. So may as well make it worth it and defend to the end. I hate zero tolerance because it's not always fair nor does it teach fairness.
It's wrong.... but schools have to do this because they don't have the staff to deal with any problems. That's the bigger issue...... the whole school system!
At my middle school if you gto into a fight you both get suspended. Oh the girl jumped you and you didn't fight back? Suspended for five days and alternative for three days. You fought in self defense? Suspended for five days and a week of alternative. Schools sucks.
So wrong. So very, very wrong! [On a different note, does anyone recognize the photo’s setting?]
Less severe but limiting kids access to water, I.e. you can’t have your drink bottle at the table. Which sucks when you live in Australia and at summer the temperature gets up to 36c and school is during all the hottest hours of the day.
Same in my horrific catholic school. They would close the water fountain in the recess (10am and 13-15pm) so kids wouldnt play with the water. Even in the months of may and june. My region of spain (as most) gets easily to 30-40C in those months
Unpopular opinion, but I kind of see the logic. If 80% if students use it to splash water and it gets all slippy around, I would turn the fountain off too. I remember being in school, we were stupid and hearing "no running in the corridor" somehow transformed in "three, two, one, GO!" in our heads and if you add a puddle of water to this scenario, you have there falls and blood and maybe few broken bones and angry parents and...
Load More Replies...I've mentioned it before on here, but those with skin disorders, such as ichthyosis, have trouble sweating and will overheat super easy. I used to be denied water while feeling light-headed and lethargic. This is considered child abuse if it were happening in a home.
It would be against the teacher's duty of care as well, for anyone but especially for someone with a known medical condition. I had a student with a kidney condition whose mum said multiple times at the start of the year that she had to be allowed to drink as much water as she needed and go to toilet whenever she asked. I said of course, but it sounded like she had previous teachers who wouldn't which baffled me. If I had refused and something happened I could have been charged and be de-registered.
Load More Replies...We're in the tropics...most teachers would allow water bottles, just not food during class.
Less severe? A person can live for weeks without food but can last only a couple of days without water...especially in a heatwave!
So I live in Texas and it gets hot here.... really hot! When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's we weren't allowed to have water bottles and it conditioned me and my fellow students to drink less.... so unhealthy! Thankfully at the beginning of the 2000's they started letting students have water bottles. It's amazing to me how schools treat students as less than human!
I don't know about private schools but I went to public schools all my life and I am Australian and we were always allowed to have our water bottles in the classroom.
I go to a Catholic school but it’s no where near as horrific as some of these.
In some schools in Greece they are giving free bottles of water to the kids when it's too hot
Tormenting socially awkward /introverted students
I hinestly believe that some teachers enjoy making their kids suffer. I speak very fast and because of that i stutter if I read out loud. One of my teachers loved making me read all the time and kept smiling while some of the students laughted. Once i got so tired that i shut up and sat in the middle of a sentence and refused to ever read in her classes. Bitch
There are sadists everywhere. Meanness is actually an item measured by psychopathy tests.
Load More Replies...There's this weird idea that introverted people are 'broken' and need to be 'fixed'-- 'taught how to come out of their shell'. There's nothing wrong with us! Society needs introverts in order to function. Case in point; staying at home during a stay at home order and not going crazy because of it. Taking on jobs that require the person to work alone, etc.
Don’t tell introverts to “try coming out of your shell!” No thanks, my shell is nice and cozy
Load More Replies...I hate being in school and idc about socialization i have better things to do than get stuck in a crowded hallway and be stuck in front of extroverted people being extroverts
I'm a shy girl, I love people and my class but I can't be a part of anything because I never talk. I would like to talk but I'm shy to just start speaking when everyone knows I don't speak...
Teased former fat kid here!! They were relentless. I was even teased by a boy who was also overweight! To make matters worse, I was a ginge and wore glasses! Perfect target for bullies! 🤬
Dood for real. Like i had a teacher in middle school that would say if we haven't spoken a word during the quarter of the semester we would get half credit.
Some teachers are sadists pure and simple. Others are bullies and bastards who became teaches to vent their sick minds.
my teachers have good intentions, but god do they put way too much emphasis on "keep socializing" and "befriend everyone!"
Passing students that aren't ready for the next grade because they need to pad their passing rates to keep funding. It's setting the kids up for failure down the road.
After 1st grade it just pulls kids into socially awkward situations. Also, after 1st grade, holding back a grade isn't going to solve the issue. With the right finding and resources (people), the child should be supported as much as is needed. Alas, the budgets alloted to schools are abysmal compared to our military funding.
Load More Replies...The No child left behind law has hurt the education system. In Florida, the teachers are required to "teach for the test." Standardized tests do not, in any way, shape, or form tell the truth about how intelligent the students are! I barely made it through H.S. algebra, but tested into calculus at the university level. It drives me, and other educators, crazy!
I completely agree about standardised tests! I taught primary school (grade 3 & 4) and grade 3, 5, 7, & 9 have a nation-wide test. We had to spend a couple months coving things that we wouldn't otherwise be focusing on in that way. It did not assess what they learned, just how they cope with test situations. There are much better ways of finding out whether the students are understanding than summative assessment like that.
Load More Replies...I went to a rural high school where 80% of the kids missed 4 of the 9 months of the school year during planting and harvest season. Most of the remaining 20% were kids of dad's working in the plastic container factory. They were still passed on grade to grade just because of their age. The state had a requirement that you had to take Civics senior year. It was the only required class. The teacher taught the class by going around the room and having everyone read one paragraph from the textbook. All tests were oral quizzes where we all passed or we all failed. If we failed, we re-did the chapter. Drove me crazy as a kid but 10 years later I realized the truth. He knew most of them were functionally illiterate and couldn't read the whole book on their own. By having people take turns reading paragraphs, he made sure they knew their rights and responsibilities as a citizen. His tests were the best civics test too - we either all succeed as a society or we all fail as a society.
Worse, schools not being allowed to hold them back. They send kids who failed to the next grade (k-12). They can literally fail every single class every year and come graduation time they are released but not certificate. There are systems in place for intervention, credit remediation, alternative education formats, but they can refuse and stay at their home school.
as well, it forces the teachers in the next grade to spend the majority of a unit going over things learnt in previous grades. like basic multiplication.
I think the real issue here is not properly supporting students to learn. Holding back students has it's own problems like social isolation (no longer in the same grade and possibly school as all their friends) and humiliation (being singled out and bullied as "stupid"). A better solution would be to actually target the areas where the student needs help and to help them. Sadly, the government is trying to push too many standards for education and teachers are not being supported properly. Children get left behind because statistics say they don't matter and the teacher needs to move on to get through the standards for the rest of the class.
Yep this is a problem, I'm in Algebra 2 which in my school district you normally take as a Junior (I'm taking it as a Freshman because I got to skip Middle School Math because I did extremely well on a test) and they literally did not know order of Operations, that's kinda a problem not knowing the Order of Operations when you are a Junior in high school, and it's not like our school particularly sucks, it's a decent school (It's actually one of the worst funded schools in the district however our district is overall just funded and managed well)
My mum asked that I be kept in year 3 for another year as I passed but I struggled to get that pass, school refused. Schools can fail kids so much
I totally held my 6 year old twins back for Kindergarten, that whole lock downs thing really messed with the base education needed. They are thriving this time around. Other parents didn't and their kids are floundering in 1st grade this year. Best thing I did for them.
Treating special needs kids subhumanly because they can’t speak up for themselves…then belittling/reprimanding the staff who do advocate for them.
Check out disabled student abuse on YouTube. You’ll see it for yourself
Load More Replies...A teacher kicked an autistic kid in my school once because he couldn't keep his eyes open and the teacher thought he was sleeping. The teacher didn't get in trouble because he was in the military.
Which branch? The Heer, the Luftwaffe, Or the Kriegsmarine?
Load More Replies...This definitely happens, luckily I've never encountered these issues, but they definitely happen.
All special Ed classes in my school were held in a converted storage room. My friend didn't see sunlight all day
Yeah, the principal I had in fifth grade was trying to advocate for a change in the special needs program at his school, and he got FIRED for it!
At my school or sequestered in their own little wing of the school it’s kind of f****d up.
Giving preference to kids that parents donate money and fratranise with teachers/ headmasters.
I've seen this time and time again...the systems is way to broken.
Because my parents refused to pay 'extra' money to the school my head teacher made me an example of what happens to children of parent who refuse to pay the extra money. Weekly I'd be found in breach of an obscure rules that required public punishment/s. Some times it would be 6 strokes of the cane. A cane was solid bamboo 4 feet long and as thick as a thumb. I'd have to put my hand out palm up and receive 3 strokes across middle joints of my fingers. They would bruise and swell so I couldn't hold a pencil to write. His next favorite punishment was to make me stand against a Besser block wall in the full sun, no hat for a few hours. It was in full sight of the entire school. It became suicide to be my friend.
There cannot be any possibile benefit to punishments like that in any situation... This though is just torture and exhortation, plain and simple...
Load More Replies...I hate seeing children suffer when they choose to no longer be in extracurricular activities by teachers who treat them badly or deliberately ignore them. You'd think adults wouldn't be so petty. I also hate Physical Education teachers who fraternize with their sports students rather than teach the class assigned. They ignore teaching the rest of the class.
That doesn't happen in state schools in Australia, and it sounds like just another reason to stay away from private schools!
Our assembly room/gymnaisum had the fire escape doors chained shut, and the police department was aware of it.
Our fire alarms were disabled. Once two kids tried to pull a prank activating them and we all realised that they were all off
Did you try contacting the Fire Department? They have ultimate say over this...or at least the should have!!!
And they take such things VERY seriously because they're the ones who are going to have to put their loves at risk and deal with the charred remains of the victims.
Load More Replies...Private language teaching establishment in China had what appeared to be ornate metal shutters on upstairs windows but they couldn't be opened. It was just one piece welded to a frame that was then bolted to the brick wall. The excuse was they had to be like that because a mentally disabled young child had climbed out on one occasion. There was only one entrance/exit door to the building and the work rooms were at the top of a steep, narrow, unlit set of stairs. There were too many other safety violations to list here.
That's a huge lawsuit waiting to happen. More importantly, I hope there was never a situation where that was needed to be used.
I worked at a jail where the fire doors that were not accessible to prisoners BUT were accessible to workers and visitors were locked at the bottom of the stair well and there were not intercoms. Ask me about the hours I spent locked in by myself as an indigent defense attorney.
Damn! My high school did that to the emergency exit near the cafeteria for the third grade student. They chained it because too many student used it to ditch class or go out to eat outside of the school ground. Fire department came for the fire drill and inspection and fined the school. Chains removed the week after.
C9Juice says:
7 am classes
S_thyrsoidea replied:
7am classes in complete disregard for what the science says about adolescent development and sleep schedule, and the effect of early classes on academic success.
My school: you should sleep at least 9 hours a night Also my school: you must wake up at 6 in the morning
Also also schools; Here's 6+ hours worth of homework for you to do.
Load More Replies...I could never understand in the States that our high school started at 7:30, the middle school at 8:30 and the elementary school at 9:00. It made no sense. The small children are more likely to be awake. Parents can drop them off before they go to work, meaning they don't need so much childcare. Older kids who can get themselves to school, and who need later sleep and later waking times, should go later. Makes no sense at all.
I can't believe that American schools or any schools start that early! Studies show students are not engaged until way later than that.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you! I'm a night owl and HATE waking up at 7!!
I use to cry a lot before going to school when I was in 2nd grade because I hate waking up at 5am. Morning class starts at 6 am and on Monday I have to wake up even earlier because of flag raising ceremony, if your late gonna get locked out of the school
It's about parent work schedules and bus schedules. Children suffer because of this.
The science behind adolescent (and other young learner) sleep schedule is fascinating and the research is in favour of a totally different approach. Thing is, the research is in favour of a totally different approach in most aspects of public education - what we teach, how its taught, the structure of schools... Ultimately, in many countries, no one really cares. It's a sad fact but people care more about a far-off war, the next bond movie or sports than education. Have a flick through some newspapers/politcal debates etc. to verfiy this. What people want is (a) daycare - which is a totally reasonable thing to want, and should be publicly provides, but is seperate from education (b) to spend as little as possible (c) to draw in bright students from other countries at university level - where another state has already paid for their education - and get them to stay and be doctors etc. Add your own d,e,f...
I agree with this completely but if school is 8 hours a day, where is the time for extra curricular activities like plays, and sports. Then you wouldn’t have time for homework as well. That’s why they give you these wake up times.
Making hair part of the uniform and dictating what hair styles and colours students are allowed to have. Also letting girls wear short skirts in summer but not letting boys wear shorts. I've seen quite a few schools in the news where the boys have had to protest and wear skirts in the summer because they weren't allowed shorts.
"Also letting girls wear short skirts in summer" while at the same time cry out loud in case of shoulder free top or barely visible bra strap, I presume.
uniform...all girls wear the same, usually a t-shirt or a blouse. same for the boys. except for pants for boys and skirt for girls...what I find sick is why do the girls have wear skirt?
Load More Replies...I used to be a nanny. The school did not let me put weather appropriate clothing on the boy in my care because they had a schedule for which version of the uniform is allowed when. This boy was very sickly and would get a cold every five minutes. But he had to go to school wearing shorts and a blazer (coat not allowed) in October during a bad cold snap. Long trousers are only allowed from November. Also one time we ran out of clean uniform socks because of a miscommunication with the mom so I put regular socks on him and told the teacher what happened. She said I had to take him home and put the "proper" socks on him. I repeated that they are all dirty. "He cannot attend without." So he had to miss first class AND wear dirty socks. I'm sure the world would've ended if a 7 year old wore the wrong but clean socks for one lousy day.
Just as the enforcement of dress codes is usually used as an iniquitous means of policing female bodies, 'hair as dress codes' is usually used to police the bodies of people of color.
Also, forcing girls to wear short skirts and no tights/leggings in winter (looking at you, Japanese schools 😒)
Specifically how this affects black people with tight curls whose hair does not grow down vertically. It's just another way to exercise racial prejudice when you say that someone's natural hair is "wrong".
The stupid thing about smooth straight thin hair being the standard for normal and "presentable" or neat is it's not even normal for all white people either. I have thick frizzy curls (still nothing compared to an afro) and no matter what I did I'd have flyaways and frizz and whatever else. I'd spend and hour trying make it look neat only to be told "why don't you ever brush your hair?" (which I learned as I got older actually made it look worse) or to take some more pride in my appearance. I remember I had work experience when I was 15 and I dressed as nicely as I could, even borrowing a blouse from my grandma since I didn't have much money or clothing and I dont tend to dress in feminine clothes, and thought I looked really professional only for my teachers to receive feedback afterwards that I hadn't put effort into my appearance. It's been over 10 years and that still sits with me. I was devastated that no matter how much effort I put, my natural appearance was just not acceptable.
Load More Replies...The ideal school dress code is this: Wear something that covers enough so your privates aren't showing, and nothing promoting Drugs/Gangs/Violence. Then be done with it.
Or single out students based on size. The skinny girl can wear the leggings but the chunky one cannot because it is "distracting". Many trips to the office for my poor daughter on this when the teacher's kid who was 80 pounds wore whatever she wanted
Yep, I have a real issue with schools dictating what my kid can do with their hair. I had a mohawk in high school and so did my son. His teachers only got annoyed with it when he did not bother to make it stand up and let it flop. Also, I think the hair policing gets used too often against people of color. Schools are overstepping their boundaries when they decide what hairstyle is appropriate. That's a parents job.
I remember an unusual hot spring in the North Eastern United States. I was going to a private schools the time that did not have AC. We had to were Oxford blouses, wool knee high socks, wool skirts, and sweater vests. We as student kept asking the teacher if we could take off our sweater vest because it was hot. The teacher refused as it was a violation of dress code. Later in the day several of the girls in my class fainted due to the heat. The principal went and bought fans for all the classes room and we we were allowed to take of the sweater vest on warmer weather.
Present opinions as facts.
I had a Social Studies asshole teacher/coach who told the class that if a girl is getting raped, she should relax and enjoy it. I got up and walked out. I spoke up, and nothing was done, since he was a coach. I was 14. The good old 70's.
This! Good on you for walking out! That, along with a woman could not possibly be raped by her husband. Marital rape is a thing people!
Load More Replies...We should be teaching critical thinking, starting with the earliest grades.
I had a southern biology teacher that said climate change and evolution were lies! I did my term paper on Darwin and got a D
The only classes that can have just one answer (or two, or three or whatever, but a certain sure number of answers) are just scientific classes. The gravity law is that one, you can't have an opinion on that, for example. All the other classes should try to develop the critical thoughts of students, they should be able to disagree, and if the critic is well done and well thought through, they should be praised for that. At the same times I can't understand why there are teachers that can say that scientific facts aren't true and go away with this kind of b******t
In the early '80s, one of my teachers told me I would go to hell if I believed in evolution. He later left teaching to become a child and family therapist, which is appalling.
Oh this one is a biggie, and the sad part is, is that it is found everywhere. Politics, News, Media, Education, Business, Social constructs and activists groups.
Not care about students's mental health
I was bullied and depressed to the point of dropping out for a month. I lived in black because I was fat and it seemed to help distract the bullies. So what happens? My English teacher tells the class she thinks I'm a Satanist.
Well, businesses don't care about employee health so it stands to reason schools wouldn't. We as a country really fail on this front!
The most insane part to me (because I finally had teachers notice how suicidal I was and call in mental health experts to evaluate me) is that as soon as my mom refused to do anything about it, the school had to drop it. I think the school also tried to get me evaluated for autism as a child, but if the parent refuses, the school does not have to offer any special education or support for students.
This is why every school should have a system to make sure that Student's mental health is taken care of, my school has multiple counselors as well as School Psychologists, and does a check-up to see if any student is feeling Suicidal, or Depressed right after showing a presentation on Suicide/Depression and what to do, and then if you respond in a way that makes them concerned (for example I put that I have considered Suicide) they take action and do something about it, even to the point of sending you to a Mental Health Facility and excusing you from school so you can get help
After multiple suicide attempts, it was decided I needed intensive inpatient treatment at a long term residential facility. The school I was going to at the time was beyond incredible about it. The guidance counselor and the principal came to monthly ‘community meetings’ at the hospital to support me the entire time I was there. When I was finally discharged, it was decided that I needed some structure still so I went to a boarding school but it went way downhill my second year so I went back to my pre-hospitalization school. They had some new staff but everyone who was there when I left was still there. I loved my English teacher who was new to me. Until my mental health started going downhill again. I missed a lot of days. One day, she pulled me out of class to discuss stuff I had missed. She looked me dead in the eye and said, “you need to suck it up. Mental illness isn’t real. You’re just trying to get out of work.” I dropped out with only 3mos of my senior year left
I had friends who saw my school psychologist at the beach while we were swimming. They called him horrible names and he confronted me in the hallway the next day. He was awful to me. Half a year later I was being abused at home and couldn't turn to anyone because he had all the teachers against me over one incident outside of school. I married a man that also abused me and I in part blame him for my thinking I was worth the beatings.
Convincing kids that a 4-year institution after graduation is the best choice for everyone.
I think Boomers were the last generation to not be required by society to have a college degree in order to get a job!
I would say Gen X. You didn't need a degree to get/do my job 20 years ago. The same job today does require you to have one.
Load More Replies...Nope nope nope. I do not recommend it unless you're sure about it. I went the usual schol-uni route and it did not turn out all that great. I've got friends who just did specialized courses (took half the time)...and some with a bit of nepotism...have much higher paying jobs right now.
Man, I hate nepotism. I'm happy with my college experience, just as a person, but the costs are crazy and it feels like a copout when the Manager's friend's kid who is a high school dropout has a better chance of getting the same position. A bit of an extreme example, I mean I get it, the kid probably needs help getting his for in the door for something entry level, but then we have a similar example for, like you said, high paying executive jobs.
Load More Replies...I remember a big event at my daughter's high school where these guys told us that half of all the students wouldn't get into college, and half of those would drop out in year one, and so they continued. They were trying to say that every grade for the next four years was really important. I did the mental math as they went along. So when it came to question time, I asked "You have just told us only 20% of our kids will get a college degree. But you want the other 80% to waste time and money trying?" Loooooong silence. They talked around it, but they had no comeback. There was none. Had a lot of parents (we all knew each other-- small school) come and thank me for saying what they were thinking. US college is completely overrated.
It doesn't always pay off-no. But I think education still has a great value. IF you can go to uni I think it's a great investment. Maybe not in income but for your personal development in life. I did choose the "wrong" profession (social worker) for it to be worth it regarding income - many people who don't have any type of higher education earns more than I will ever do - but I will still never regret my education. But if you can, do something else before you go straight to university. I did military service between "high school" (not exactly the same system here) and university. That was a really interesting "break" and I learned a lot from that. But you could also work for a while (or if you have the privilege- travel). You don't have to do a straight path.
This may be one of the biggest problems. I was convinced that I had to go to college right out of high school and get a good degree, and that there was no other way. I was more worried about the expectations of others than my clearly crippling mental health, and I ended up flunking out of a private institution and in debt. So that's fun. I'm in community college, but I'm really not trying to rush it. I wanna make sure that I'm doing something I wanna spend the rest of my life doing while having fun
Same here. I went straight to a 4-year college straight out of high school with only a vague idea of what to major in based on my test scores, burned out and left after 4 years (with at least 2 years left to graduate due to how class availability worked) and got a low-paying job for 10 years before I was finally stable enough in my life to go back to community college and got a degree in something I actually like. I'd definitely recommend getting a transfer-friendly AA degree and some real life experience before jumping into the huge time and money commitment that is university.
Load More Replies...Yeah, it's like that in the US. College is a business. You can go to a 2 year tech college and get the certs you need for some jobs, but they don't advertise or educate kids on it. It's not as profitable. Instead it's preached that if you want to survive (not thrive, survive) you have to go to college. Or join the military.
On a completely different note, when I went to university in the UK in the 80s, only 5% of the population went to uni. It was specifically for people following a very academic path. Then there were polytechnics that were for more practical training in more white collar careers. Then there were tech schools for people training for actual jobs they wanted to do, more blue collar, and so on. Now everything has been combined into one, and it's nuts.
Keeping bad teachers in their positions. Not the same as a good teacher with poorly performing students with bad home life etc.
People talk about students being able to grade and review teachers as a joke but it would actually be a great idea (especially if it can be done anonymously)
At both highschool and uni we did that every semester.
Load More Replies...Not even kidding. Had a problem with a punishment for my daughter when she stood up against a teacher who was causing all kinds of problems for other students. This teacher never had all the kids work graded on time and would put zeros in for the grades until she got to updating it. Lots of kids missed out on school activities, we're talking football games and band competitions, stuff like that. All because records showed they were failing her class due to missed assignments. Which they weren't. At all. My daughter asked if she even had a teaching certificate. Got kicked out of a leadership program for it. The second we walked into the principal's office, he said "Yeah I've been getting a lot of students and parents complaining about this teacher". Teacher never got reprimanded but the kids kept having to pay for her mistakes.
My 5th grade teacher was the sort that had her favorites and had those she didn't like and if you were one she didn't like, you would know it. And that year, it was me. I still have no idea what I did to her to get on her bad side. But she was beyond cruel to me. Always belittling me. Looking for ways to humiliate me. We had to meet with the principal so I could transfer to a different class halfway through the year. But she kept her job and didn't get reprimanded for it.
This, and most of the other things listed in this post, are reasons I am all for on-line home schools like Connection Academy or K-12. I know it isn't practical for everyone, but for those who can I really do recommend it.
I complained about a teacher and all it got me was that they started taking it out on my child in the PUSD and trying to kick him out of the school to avoid a lawsuit... which by the way I wasn't trying to sue.. I was trying to get him some help.
Pay teachers more, give them proper respect, and you'll attract better people to the field, and then you won't have to hold on to the losers. Putting more pressure on teachers is not the answer. These people are so stressed they can hardly see straight.
Humiliating and/or calling out students in front of the whole class
also saying things like "you'll never pass my class/get into Harvard/get into college" to the entire class for some reason always with a stupid, arrogant smirk on their face... The first two are true stories, the first from my Honors Algebra II teacher to a class of 15/16-year-olds and the second from my HONORS SCHOOL to a class of 14/15-year-olds which was supposed to prepare me for that exact thing!! What makes the second even worse is that the person who said it was... wait for it... THE SCHOOL COUNSELOR!!!
School counselors are actually just stuck up baboons who expect bullies to obey you by telling them to stop. WTF?
Strongly disagree. My school counselor helped me work up the nerve to come out to my mother, and even spoke with her afterward, to help us talk about it more easily. Also, this was not just two or three years ago, for anyone who is thinking "sure, it's that way NOW". No, this was almost 30 years ago. The right person in the role of school counselor can do amazing things!
Load More Replies...My teachers read my work out loud for all to laugh at. They also weighed me and showed how fat I was. I’m an introvert now with an eating disorder so thx.
Jesus Christ, if that happened to my child, I'd absolutely lose my s**t.
Load More Replies...Our teachers regularly told us we would be flipping burgers for a living. But wait, it gets worse! I went to work for that school later and the school board had hired a jackass superintendent who was hell bent on turning a profit (not sure how or why this was legal for a public school, or even slightly thought to be necessary). I was working as a para educator (something that requires an associate degree) and making $12 an hour. The McDonald's in our town was paying $15 an hour. And the superintendent was trying desperately to somehow not raise wages for the support staff, even though California minimum wage had gone up and we were being paid under that.
On BOTH sides! Please don't point me out because I am smart. It only makes other students resent me. Find an anonymous example. I'm not sure if I would rather hear "you won't ever be good enough for this" or "look how much better *insert name* did than everyone else in the class. You should all learn from her example..."
I had all my classes done or could have had them done by the end of the first semester and finished school early. The guidance councillor wouldn't let me finish a semester early and go get a job because I was too poor to drive into the city for work. I lived on a farm 45 minutes outside the city and 15 minutes outside the town I went to school in. Too poor for a job... But forced to go to university?
My science teacher told us that she was going to buy all of us who weren't going to college a tarp so we could have something to keep us dry when we slept under a bridge.
I got pregnant my senior year due to 'unwanted attention'. I had religious parents who promptly accelerated emancipation. My HS principal, nicknamed Skunk Lady for her hairstyle, was brand new that year and tried to force me to go to 'pregnancy school'. It was a program ran by the local diocese that treated all pregnant girl like they had the intelligence of a 3 year old, because "Academics put unnatural stress on the baby." I was on the honor roll, future educators of America, chess club, theater, all AP classes... I refused to trade my HS diploma for the program. SL didn't like that at all. In her eyes I was messing up her school by swanning around obviously pregnant. My son was born the first day of Spring Break. I went back to class for a break, some normalcy, and I was taking electives I hadn't taken yet for fun. I was back for 4 days when SL 'discovered' I'd completed all my requirements for graduation and kicked me out. She also refused to give me my diploma until the ceremony.
The look on her face when I told her I was taking college classes was priceless. When she kicked me out of school she told me that I'd never go any further than flipping burgers at McDonald's. I kept tabs on where she was working over the years, and every time I got a degree, was in an article or documentary, or got an award or license I sent her a copy with pertinent info blacked out and a sticky note that said 'Flipping burgers at McDonald's? F**k you.' There are a few other therapists, counselors, and teachers on that list. Yes, I am absolutely that petty. ~~ There are also 3 teachers that get the same letter with a note that says 'Thank you for believing in me when I couldn't believe in myself.'
Load More Replies...I had a teacher that would tell me this and i just replied: ¨If college is going to make me as stupid as you I don't wanna go.¨ He sent me to the principal's office. (Who knew what asshole the teacher was towards me. But that's another story)
A teacher did that to me when I stood up to him. He was a sub and our class was doing great with our regular teacher (above 80% average) and came that âsshat and the average dip to 40%. He started insulting the whole class, saying elementary schools kids were better than us and I just told him to shut the fück up and that instead of telling us anecdotes about his life abroad or sports achievement, he should teach! And pointed out we were doing fine before him. He called me a racist, he thought I told him to shut up because of where he came from (not true at all) and started saying that to EVERY other groups that came into class. Short story: he tried to have me kicked out, but lost his job instead.
1- I had 5 math teachers in my 6th grade year. They didn't like the principal and would leave. During this time they hired a math teacher who told us that she was "just there for the money", belated us for not know what she was teaching, complain about her privately life, and she told me that I was "the Stupidest math student she ever taught". It's not that I wasn't a good student (A's & B's) I just didn't have the fundamentals down at all. 2- Highschool - I go into the guidance counselor for advise on colleges. What like to do, extra circulars, clubs ect. I told him I liked art, was in drama club, was a 4-H member. I really wanted to go to college for drama or film related things. He looked up my transcript. Looked at me and said, " I can't help you. Your not an athlete." The guardian counselor was coach of the tennis and gold team. So there went my dreams of being in a theatre troop and film school.
Only having one bathroom for open in a high school. There are 1000’s of kids.
Due to kids stealing objects from bathrooms, my 2,000+(?)-student high school closed off all but two bathrooms. Everyone hated it
Load More Replies...My high school is kind of like this. And my Spanish teacher instituted this thing where we are only allowed to use the bathroom two times a semester. People wonder why I'm dehydrated...
Are you fúcking serious? 2 times a semester? That's freaking child abuse
Load More Replies...How about not allowing students to use the bathroom during class? Because "you should have done that during the passing period." Even though we get 3-5 minutes to get to the next class, all of my classes were dead opposites of campus, and there was only one open bathroom, also in a crappy part of campus, and also full of girls trying to use the bathroom. And then getting in trouble for being late for class because you tried to use the bathroom.
Because students vandalize bathrooms and there isn't money to continually fix them. Or students are doing illegal activities or bullying in bathrooms when there are no adults around. Also no money to pay someone to sit in all the bathrooms all day to make sure students aren't shitty to each other or property.
We only had 1 bathroom but we only had 700 students and it had about 7 stalls. Later they renovated the school though and these were demolished and replaced by only 2 stalls. So glad I had left by then.
In my school, we have 8 bathrooms, each with over 6 stalls, but only one kid is allowed in the whole school to go to the bathroom at a time.
Oh this was my favorite. my school pumped our sewage uphill, so in the winter when the pipes froze, we had 0 bathrooms
In my old school they closed the bathrooms because they found a pad on the floor, and not like a dirty one, it was still closed and apparently according to my friend it was there if anyone didn't have one that needed on yet they decided to lock all the bathrooms and kept it that way
There's got to be more to this story. Kids have o'ded in bathrooms, hidden from classes, destruction, etc etc. If the school can't afford to put monitors in the hall they may opt to keep only one open, one they can keep an eye on.
The pledge of allegiance, confiscating kid's phones, withholding graduation ceremonies because they've labelled kids troublemakers, zero tolerance policies, ignoring and covering up bullying
Ripping off a Kids insulin pump and yanking out the IV line because you are too stupid to see it isn’t a phone
The pledge of allegiance was literally written as part of a marketing campaign to sell more American flags. It’s basically a commercial jingle. Imagine every morning having to sing “Who says you shouldn’t have instant puddin? It’s J-E-L-L-O!”
It's indoctrination and so shouldn't exist in democratic countries
Load More Replies...Sorry to say but I'm not against confiscating a kids phone when they take it out of their bag in classes multiple times. They'll get it back after school. (Keeping it after school time is a no go). Also I'll make exceptions when I knew there's a good cause for the kid to keep an eye on the phone (ill relatives, job offers, etc).
That's the point. Their job is to break your spirit and control your behavior. The Germans invented kindergarten for a reason.
Load More Replies...Whenever we did the pledge I kept the "Under God" part silent" (Agnostic)
Good on you. That bit is a recent addition, as the US was meant to keep gods and state separate.
Load More Replies...Not allowing kids to graduate because their fees aren't all paid. Which is more of a parent issue than student anyway.
My school made this stupid rule where if ur ever seen carrying a phone in school they'd confiscate it for 3 months. THREE FÚCKING MONTHS. I never use my phone during classes but I used it during break time because I wanted to show my friends some pics on my phone. A random teacher saw me and came up to me to take my phone. Most teachers in my school thought that rule was ridiculous and so they just warned the kids if they saw them with a phone. But that bitch teacher just confiscated it and gave it to the admin office. At the end of the day I begged her to give me my phone but she said rules are rules and kept it with her. 2 weeks later the country went under lockdown and my phone was still there. I freaked out because I didn't know how long the lockdown will last and everyone knows how important a phone is, even to a HS student. I used my mom's phone to call and annoy that teacher to give me back my phone but she kept ignoring me. Eventually 2 months later she finally gave it back.
Professors selling their own books for their class
For us it's textbooks that have "amendments" every year. Like, why should I trust you if you keep making mistakes. lol
This. 1st Edition..2nd Edition....as if they discovered some fact shattering stuff that needed to be added when its just a bunch of random reorganization of the topics and graphics....
Load More Replies...I am a collector of antique textbooks, specifically those from the 1870s through the late 1940s. There has been no significant developments in high-school or basic university level mathematics since then. Math books being 'updated' every few years is merely a scam to sell more textbooks. Antique textbooks also tend to be VERY information-dense. You weren't paying for wide margins, silly photography, or other weirdness.
Believe it or not, we had books that were just re-published editions originally printed in the 1950s. In dentistry! At least those weren't that expensive.
Load More Replies...My uncle wrote a crap load of Uni books. I demanded freebies when they turned up in my class. 200 buck my butt. No wonder he can pay child support on 18 kids over the years
My prof did that but with 50 % off for students and gave explicit allowance to everyone who couldn't afford one to get a copy at the copy Shop.
the only time ive seen this be done ethically is with a professor who wrote his own materials that a) in part acted as a replacement for lecture notes and homework, and b) to lower the price as much as possible.
Yes, for the expensive mark up ones. I was fortunate to have one undergrad professor who wrote his own and had it printed on campus, then sold it for a reduced rate. It wasn't fancy but was efficient and effective!
How so? That could actually be a huge benefit. Many professors are more apt to be proficient in their knowledge and teach truths instead of the lies and garbage many textbooks are filled with (at least in the U.S). The fact is, in most subjects, knowledge evolves and information becomes outdated thus the need for amendments...but I'd rather buy a professor written book than a Texas school board approved book
My advisor during grad school used his textbook for his undergrad surveys because it was the most popular textbook for the subject (it was good - dude's still one of the smartest people I've ever met). At the beginning of class he always told people what he made off of each sale (it was only a few bucks) and if they wanted, he'd happily give that back to them. Always a handful that took him up on it. :D
Over the top dresscode making girls feel like s**t because of it
Dress codes that are really different for boys and girls make no sense
They do for a society looking to police female bodies and to shift responsibility for boy's/men's misdeeds off of them and on to women. They make perfect sense if that's what you're trying to do.
Load More Replies...Dress code is bullshit. Self expression should be a thing as an adolescent and forcing you to look the exact same half your life, leave sleep out, 6-8 hours of commute and school... That's just abuse. They're not in the military or at a factory, and at those places at least they provide the clothes, with school you pay for them (afaik, never had uniform at school thankfully)
On the other hand, some kids don't care about expressing themselves through clothing, and they can get bullied because they don't flaunt a particular style. The problem has many variables. Best thing might be to teach kids to be more compassionate and see beyond appearances. In other words, get to the root of the problem.
Load More Replies...Dress code: No overtly hateful words or symbols. Nothing that's a clear safety hazard, like flip flops. Dress code for classes like gym or shop can be defined as demanded by safety and function. That's it. The end. Stop measuring hemlines and hair. Stop looking for bra straps. Stop defining gang colors. Stop wasting time on ridiculous rules. Just let the kids wear what they're comfortable with.
What is insane to me, is our school made us buy our phys Ed clothes from the school itself. We went allowed to wear sweats or basketball shorts or anything. We had to spend $20-40 to buy clothes. Nevermind the fact that a lot of kids in our school district weren't eating regularly because their families were that poor. And then if we didn't have a p.e. uniform, we were considered defiant and sent to detention.
Load More Replies...Until it's freezing in winter and you are forced to still wear your skirt with not even a possibility of wearing tights or leggings underneath.
Load More Replies...And why is it that the guys don't have to wear a hat like the girls? That's ridiculous and sexist.
Try telling that to the guys who attend Eton and Harrow - doesn't seem to stop them becoming idiot Prime Ministers every 5 or so years in the UK !!..... Top hat and tails anyone ?
I started school at a private school in Melbourne Australia. My uniform(for 3 year old kinder) consisted of ,in Summer.. Regulation underwear, undies and singlet with school emblems, Knee high white socks, T-Bar shoes, Knee length Dress in school colour, Woollen jumper, blazer and straw hat with emblem...In Winter it was Regulation underwear, undies and singlet with school emblems, T-Bar shoes ,thick brown tights ,white button up shirt, Tunic ,Tie ,Blazer ,gloves and beret. With hair ties back with dark coloured hair elastic..... For 3 year olds,in Australian weather! ,FFS.
this isn't just a thing for girls, there's dress code examples that target boys too
We had uniforms at all schools except uni. Which was cool...everyone wore the same thing.
Making kids sell magazines or whatever. Should be 100% illegal and I dunno what kind of parents stand for that bulls**t.
Yep.Fundraisers for...something...never knew, but they turned us all into salespeople.
Load More Replies...It's PUBLIC education! There should be no need to supplement taxpayer money with child labor.
So what happens is that schools decide to do a fundraiser. They contact some school fundraiser company to guide the school to the proper type of fundraising. Then a slick sales person comes and does the old razzle-dazzle with the school, telling them what they can buy with all their fundraising money (after the a % goes to the sales company), how X amount of students will bring X amount of dollars giving examples such as new computers, new text books, more tech equipment, anything the sales person thinks the schools wants/needs. Students given horrible, cheap, unnecessary junk to hawk on any poor person who wants to help the school. School doesn't make much money so later in the year they have another BS fundraiser.
I got into trouble in the 7th grade when selling candy bars , back then they were 50cents each I sold mine for 75 cents and kept the quarter, I was making $37.50 a box my aunt and uncle worked at two diffrent casinos in vegas and would take the boxeses into work for me I pulled in a little over $400.00 in the month we were selling the teacher found out because a kid who didnt like me blabbed they called in my parents my mom was a goody two shoes and was in shock my dad pointed out minimum wage at the time was like $5.00 an hour and since they had me selling for a month straight they owed me a lot more .... They decided to drop it the next year in 8th grade I was not allowed to sell candy
No kids are "made" to sell anything. They can sell stuff for fundraisers. Because the schools only get so much money. But they never have to.
That's fundraising for EXTRACURRICULARS! Note the prefix of "EXTRA"! Don't wanna fundraise? Fine. Guess you don't really want a "Glee Club".
I just throw those things away. The kids shouldn't be forced to sell those overpriced things.
Diagnosing kids who aren't interested in the curriculum with ADHD. Still don't understand how I get diagnosed with ADHD in elementary school just for it to magically disappear halfway through middle school, for it then to reappear freshman year of high school just to disappear again sophomore year.
And then kids who actually have ADHD get told they're faking it. Misdiagnosis doesn't benefit anyone.
Happened to me. They said I was immature and lazy. Everybody treated me like it was my fault, I was yelled at so many times and when a psychiatrist finally said I had ADHD my mom got pissed of at him because he was trying to excuse my bad behavior. SMH.
Load More Replies...Well, some symptoms might be similar if you have depression, or are neurodivergent. Also some other circumstances can alter how your brain worked. Plus for some people the adhd changes or with coping mechanisms isn’t noticable anymore. Though you aren’t diagnosed by a teacher but by a doctor I hope?
This. I have too kids on the autism spectrum. Both do show some signs of adhd, but at 8 and 10, we still aren't sure. Daughter especially seems like it is mostly her anxiety. Then there's me. I was not diagnosed as an adult, but I definitely have always had adhd. I just had good coping mechanisms, intelligence and a fear of misbehavior that hid it.
Load More Replies...ADHD is at the same time the world's most overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed disorder in the world, i.e. kids who are perfectly normal but simply struggle with sitting still on hours on end (because they're kids) and annoy the teacher, get pumped up full of meds that alter their brain, wreck their liver, heart and kidneys, and the true ADHD sufferers go undiagnosed for decades, struggling in life, misdiagnosed with disorders they don't have and also pumped full of toxic meds they don't need.
Or girls who actually do have ADHD, not getting diagnosed until adulthood because they don't "act up" in the same way that boys with ADHD do.
My son got diagnosed with being a troublemaker even though he did nothing. One time he got in trouble because he was looking at his pencil. And the teacher claims that he was playing with the pencil.
In order to be diagnosed with anything, your child needs to have (at least) seen a child psychiatrist/psychologist. Teachers are not equipped to diagnose any medical conditions,
Load More Replies...Getting missed completely because you are smart. Yet the only reason I got through high school was having super energetic teachers who could keep my squirrelly mind occupied! I bombed in boring teacher's classes!!
They do that for the dollars... schools get extra money to "help kids with adhd" by help I mean buy the football team new uniforms because SPORTS ARE ALL THAT MATTER
Not letting kids take part in a test because their parents havent paid.
My AP exams, if you don't pay, you still have to take the class, but no college credit and no exam.
Is that really a thing? You definitely can't do that in Australia. That is so unfair. It's not your fault and how is that going to change anything? If your parents haven't paid there must be a reason.
This is why government funded free education is important. It shouldn't be a business
Tell me when a child is ever likely to use the word "subirrigate". Bloody nonsense.
Why is education being treated as a business? It's supposed to be a government funded investment in humans and the future.
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Put make up exams during lunch. I’m running on no food for the past 21 hours because I had to skip lunch to do a makeup exam. Thank god the school day is almost over
Side note, I exercise a lot so I generally eat a lot so this s**t is really annoying
Ramadan? I used to help my best friend cheat that. She’s a type 1 diabetic and her parents lost custody of her over it
Load More Replies...That should be illegal. wtf. For some kids that aren't well off, their school lunch may be the only meal they get... happened to me nearly once, maths exam went over our lunch hour so we only had 15 minutes left to get lunch so most of us were late to class and we all got yelled at for being late. (and this was in the uk too, and thankfully It wouldn't have been my only meal that day but still)
In 5th grade I had to stay home for a week due to a severe throat infection. I had a doctor's note attesting that and had to miss a math test. Mind you, math doesn't come easy to me, so I need to concentrate a lot more. During that week my grandma had a stroke and passed away. Come Monday, my mom went to the school with me and talked to the teacher, she had always been super friendly with my mom and me, we knew each other for about two years by that time. My mom asked explained everything to her and asked her to allow me to take the test at the library or maybe the councilor's office and because of everything that happened. She also asked the teacher to let me know the new day. She agreed and we went our way. On Tuesday, during English class, the math teacher shows up, asks the English teacher to excuse me, sits me on the corner of the room, presents me with the test and leaves. What if I had a question? What if I couldn't concentrate with everyone speaking around me?
They should at least let you eat before you come in for the makeup exam... At least a snack.
Our school would let kids skip the lunch line to get lunch ASAP to take to their tests. Until kids started getting teachers to sign notes so they could skip the line.
Selling 2x the number of parking passes than spots actually exist for, then imposing steep parking fines.
Yeah, that sucks.I guess they have to discourage students driving on campus somehow.
Isn't that against the law? If they sell you something and they don't produce a product or a service, you can send them to jail or sue them.
Haha, it is so different in Australia because you can't get your license until you are 18 so only a small percentage of students can actually drive and that isn't usually from the start of their last year of school.
My old university had free parking. But if you ever dared to park anywhere you weren't allowed to, they had your car towed withing fifteen minutes and charged you about 150 Euro to get it back. Yes, they had their own towing truck.
Don't say that too loud, it'll give the US colleges ideas. (If some don't do this already; have their own tow truck.) The local college in my area has like 3/4 different campuses. The parking fees, for students and staff, start just above $200, and go as high as almost $800, per semester. The diff prices are for whether or not lot is for a dorm, or how far away the lot is from the buildings. And many of the passes are for certain lots only, and not valid at other lots. We have people that park in a limited space in our neighborhood or little nearby plaza, then they walk, bike, or skate(board) across the main road to get to classes.
Load More Replies...In My day,Unless you were in Third year high School,No parking on school property.Hell i saved gas money for the weekends and took the very dependable N.F.T.(Niagara Frontier Transit)Bus.They ran 24-7 !!
Serve children lunches with pizza, breadsticks, and milk every day.
Don't worry we put one whole piece of corn on it, can you find it?
Load More Replies...My high school served calzones once, they were shitty tortillas with no cheese or sauce and a few sad pieces of rotten-looking broccoli. This is an average school lunch in an American public school.
Hmm, that doesn't generally happen, does it? My old school was poor but it still managed some variety in its lunch menu.
I remember when my daughter very first started school, and I was so happy because I read how the child would be offered this fresh veg and this fresh fruit and all these good things every day. Then I went to have lunch with her one day, which was pretty common in our US school system. Turns out their idea of fresh and my idea of fresh was pretty different. Also, despite these appetizing menus they put up, pizza was on the menu every day, and that's what they could have every single day. And they could refuse or just not eat the veg and fruit if they didn't want to. So we made some changes to her lunch!
So what do you recommend when students choose not to eat lunch the day that it's something healthier and only eat school lunch on pizza day?
Worst? Probably the sky-high cost of attendance. The most visible evidence of this is the endless list of administrators, administrative assistants, specialists, administrative associates, the list goes on. Unless you are dirt poor and qualify for Pell Grants (US) the cost of a name-brand school is hard to swallow. Add inflation and it's even worse.
In Australia it is very common for people to be receiving the Education Maintenance Allowance to cover school fees. It still has a threshold for low income but it sounds like it is better than America. Plus things like integration aid are covered by the education department, but it can take a lot of pestering before they decide you are eligible for them.
I’m the case of there being a fire, I think it’s stupid we have to go in alphabetical order. So Adam is happy and healthy, but Zach just turned into ash. In my opinion, they should all just get in a line no matter what
I mean...if I see a fire my first instinct wouldn't be to wait and think...damn I can't leave the room yet, Collin is still here. Lol
I'm getting out the window I don't care. I am not walking slowly out in a orderly line. I'd find the teacher so she can account for me them I'm going home I ain't sitting in a Field. There's obviously no classes left and I can walk home on my own. They are setting themselves up for disaster.
In a real fire, no one will be in orderly lines...I’ve been in a fire—it’s absolutely terrifying!!!
I get what you're saying. I also get why we have them in line order. Imagine wrangling 30 7 year olds with lights flashing, sure blaring, it's getting dark and hard to breathe from smoke. Without line order kids are moving the door, pushing and shoving to be first to walk down to music or recess. In an emergency it's a lot easier to make sure you have everyone (or tell who's missing) when in an orderly line.
Still doesn't solve the problem of having to get out of there quickly. Head count is quicker and easier than alphabetisation. Everyone hold hands, all the kids already know where the exit is, teacher is last one out, sorted.
Load More Replies...also "walk calmly in a line" i think the f**k not im getting outta there
It's so the roll can be marked faster... not everything is about you, Zach.
You shouldn't do the roll before leaving the building. That's just common sense. This way you'd endanger everyone in class.
Load More Replies...Forcing kids to start earlier than they need to which hurts their mental and emotional development. In America it's like there's two societies, the well adjusted and the publicly educated.
I don't even understand this post. States differ slightly, but there are fixed date ranges for children as to what age they are when they start school, and it's possible to have them do one of the earliest years twice if parents/teachers feel they are not ready to progress. There are flaws in the education system, for sure, but being publicly educated has nothing to do with whether you are a well adjusted person.
Getting too involved in students lives outside of school. Whatever goes on outside of school walls/hours is not their business.
My mom taught H.S. for 30 years. Sometimes we would have students stay with us to escape abusive parents. Things were different in the 60's and 70's. One of those students might be dead if he had stayed at home.
We were told a million times that "as long as you're a student of this school you're always representing it, no matter the hour" . So yes, we could be punished for doing thing outside of school that they deemed inappropriate. It infuriated me.
Some kids live secret, horrible lives. My first task each year as a teacher was to see who was getting support at home and who was being neglected or abused. Sometimes it was a matter of parents being overwhelmed, mentally disturbed, or frustrated, I was never there to judge, just to refer people to available resources so that life could get bettter. Kids don't learn when their lives are in chaos. Part of learning is to know when you're in trouble and where to turn to for help.
See, my homelife was terrible, to the point where I was hurting myself, and I am grateful every single day that teachers got involved because I probably wouldn't be here.
I desperately wish teachers had gotten involved in my life outside school; with 2 abusive and highly dysfunctional students I'm genuinely amazed that I didn't commit suicide.
Except child abuse by parents, who else gonna protect those children? Tho for that you need competency too, like this one guy i know, his kid has no damage, no indication of being hurt, but when they asked some other kid if they get a slap sometimes, his kid also said "i get those too" and now they are talked to by the police and protective services... No, they weren't abusive
If it just that the student has misbehaved out of school, they have no business regulating/punishing it. On the other hand if it is something affecting their schoolwork or wellbeing they should be paying attention.
How about NASTY lunches? I know some kids who only eat school lunch (it's free here) and eat hardly any of it bc it is sooo bad and then end up hungry the rest of the day.
The funding of schools should be a massive priority, and it should be a massive vote winner for politicians. It isn't and it doesn't, and it completely baffles me. Why would you not pump a sponge like brain with everything you can. Maybe that kid becomes an engineer who solves a massive problem, a scientist who cures the common cold. I just don't know why you wouldn't throw everything at educating kids. School should be free, school lunches should be free, teachers shouldn't have to buy supplies (and they should get paid well), school trips should be free, there should be no fundraisers.... The US defense budget is $715 billion... There's about 50m kids in school. That's $14,300 per student. Imagine what they could do with that.
Maybe if kids were educated they wouldn't make the same mistakes the adults keep making as they actually learned history adequately.
Load More Replies...I had a teacher who would verbally abuse kids. One time he showed us an animated porn thingy. Everyone told the teachers, no one believed us. Until some kids got video proof and he was finally fired.
Being a nerd in school, I didn't friends up until seventh grade so I was really quiet and stumbled over words. The biggest bullies always end up being teachers, I only had a handful that took my anxiety issues seriously and eased me into talking in front of the class. The other teachers would punish kids with issues like me and it's absolutely NOT right. A child, even a teen, should not be punished because they're nervous, scared, have impairments, etc. It makes me wonder if any of those teachers were ever kids and not some kind of robot.
My kid is in kindergarten and we're already dealing with a class bully. I spoke to the teacher and apparently this girl pesters multiple classmates: hitting, scratching, biting, etc. One time she tried to kiss my son. We're in a freaking pandemic! Teach your kid to keep their slobber to themselves. And the response? Every parent got a message from the teacher reminding us that the kids need to keep their hands to themselves. But we all know the reason behind that message. Makes me wonder about the girl's home life.
“One bad apple ruins the whole bunch”/ collective punishment. My elementary school did this and I bet they were hoping we would forget. It was not just no recess it was you must walk these laps for recess/exercise punishment. I brought it up back then but no one will take a 9 year old seriously. They legit said that it was so “The good kids would pressure the bad ones to be better.” Like … that’s called bullying and isn’t that your job? Tbh my high school does this too with our lunches.
Almost all of these examples seem to occur only in the States. I work at a school and we don't have to deal with most of these problems.
They wonder why the obesity rates are so high. And give you 30 minutes for lunch; including the time it takes to walk to the cafeteria and to your next class, and the time taken to stand in line to get your food. Teaching kids to wolf down their meal as quickly as possible will get you overweight adults.
How about NASTY lunches? I know some kids who only eat school lunch (it's free here) and eat hardly any of it bc it is sooo bad and then end up hungry the rest of the day.
The funding of schools should be a massive priority, and it should be a massive vote winner for politicians. It isn't and it doesn't, and it completely baffles me. Why would you not pump a sponge like brain with everything you can. Maybe that kid becomes an engineer who solves a massive problem, a scientist who cures the common cold. I just don't know why you wouldn't throw everything at educating kids. School should be free, school lunches should be free, teachers shouldn't have to buy supplies (and they should get paid well), school trips should be free, there should be no fundraisers.... The US defense budget is $715 billion... There's about 50m kids in school. That's $14,300 per student. Imagine what they could do with that.
Maybe if kids were educated they wouldn't make the same mistakes the adults keep making as they actually learned history adequately.
Load More Replies...I had a teacher who would verbally abuse kids. One time he showed us an animated porn thingy. Everyone told the teachers, no one believed us. Until some kids got video proof and he was finally fired.
Being a nerd in school, I didn't friends up until seventh grade so I was really quiet and stumbled over words. The biggest bullies always end up being teachers, I only had a handful that took my anxiety issues seriously and eased me into talking in front of the class. The other teachers would punish kids with issues like me and it's absolutely NOT right. A child, even a teen, should not be punished because they're nervous, scared, have impairments, etc. It makes me wonder if any of those teachers were ever kids and not some kind of robot.
My kid is in kindergarten and we're already dealing with a class bully. I spoke to the teacher and apparently this girl pesters multiple classmates: hitting, scratching, biting, etc. One time she tried to kiss my son. We're in a freaking pandemic! Teach your kid to keep their slobber to themselves. And the response? Every parent got a message from the teacher reminding us that the kids need to keep their hands to themselves. But we all know the reason behind that message. Makes me wonder about the girl's home life.
“One bad apple ruins the whole bunch”/ collective punishment. My elementary school did this and I bet they were hoping we would forget. It was not just no recess it was you must walk these laps for recess/exercise punishment. I brought it up back then but no one will take a 9 year old seriously. They legit said that it was so “The good kids would pressure the bad ones to be better.” Like … that’s called bullying and isn’t that your job? Tbh my high school does this too with our lunches.
Almost all of these examples seem to occur only in the States. I work at a school and we don't have to deal with most of these problems.
They wonder why the obesity rates are so high. And give you 30 minutes for lunch; including the time it takes to walk to the cafeteria and to your next class, and the time taken to stand in line to get your food. Teaching kids to wolf down their meal as quickly as possible will get you overweight adults.
