Someone Asks “What Was Loved By Poor People Until Rich People Ruined It?”, 50 People Don’t Hold Back
According to findings by sociologist Matthew Desmond, which he presents in his new book, Poverty, by America, since 1979, the bottom 90% of income earners in the U.S. experienced annual earnings gains of just 24%, while the wages of the top 1% of earners more than doubled.
Looking at inflation-adjusted figures, ordinary workers have seen their pay tick up only 0.3% a year for several decades. So the real wages for many Americans today are roughly what they were 40 years ago.
Still, people have been trying their best to make use of what they have. And they do find ways to enjoy life. That is until the market changes things for them. There's a Reddit thread that asked the platform users, "What was loved by poor people until rich people ruined it?" and it quickly went viral, receiving an interesting archive of replies. Here are some of the most popular ones.
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Farmers markets. When I was a child, we were broke as a joke. The farmers market was where we went to get dirt cheap produce and whatnot. Now farmers markets are super expensive and filled with stalls from out of state farms selling aRtIsInAl cHeEseS aNd nOn-gMO hEiRlOoM tOmaToEs.
We still have an actual farmers' market where people can afford fresh produce, baked goods and coffee from local roasters. The prices are low and the quality is great. Unfortunately, I live in upstate NY and we're at the mercy of our weather, so the season isn't year round.
Second hand shopping, there's nothing worse than going into a completely harvested op shop and not being able to find anything in your size / of good quality because hipsters came and raided the place and sold everything at a 150% mark-up on their f*****g depop account.
I’m sure someone already mentioned this but CAMPING. It used to cost close to nothing to reserve a camp site (some are still cheap) but now they’ve gone all boujee and some sites charge you ridiculous fees to pitch a tent in the woods. Same with music festivals in the forests. People would go to get away from b******t societal hierarchies and enjoys music and self expression. Then they got all mainstream and it lost its original meaning (think Burning Man).
I remember when I was a kid. $10-20/night for a spot in a provincial campground surrounded by trees, unable to see the other campers, and bins full of free firewood. Nowadays it's a clearcut acre with no trees and, twice the cost, and if you want a fire at night be prepared to spend $50 on wood. A camping trip used to cost a family $300 for two weeks, now it's $100 a day
All types of what was traditionally "poor people food". Pork belly, oxtails, etc. All the things that use to be cheap because they were considered to be the trash parts. Now that people realize how delicious they can be its driven the price up.
Cheap foods - donuts, cupcakes, hamburgers, wings - that have all been given the "foodie" treatment and went from good cheap eats to gourmet pricing without a corresponding increase in quality.
They keep raising the prices and decreasing the size/amount of the product & no person ever gets an increase in their paycheck. I honestly don't know why they think it's okay. 🤔 should I eat this month or should I have lights & hot water this month 😥
The saying "money doesn't buy you happiness" was originally used by the poor towards the rich asking them to share the wealth.
Now its used as a statement to shut down poor people who talk about wanting enough money to survive.
(BTW studies shows that money does buy happiness but only if its not too much. Around 100,000$ a year is were they found the highest quality of life and emotional stability.)
So idk if any of y'all in this sub live in rural communities, but big farming industries are killing small farmers. Impossible to own your own farm and make money at this point because big industry pushes you out. A decade or 2 ago you could sustain yourself with your own crops/animals, but now that's become so expensive you need a job on top of caring for your farm.
Now with all this s**t going down, rich people are buying up farmland, presumably to make money when the stock market crashes again. I just bought 40 acres a year ago and in the past 3 months I've gotten 15 letters in the mail from various people trying to buy my land for way more than it's worth.
This. Where I am from corporate farms killed the small guy, my family included and every family I knew growing up. Banks were unrelenting and forcing all the smaller guys out. We had around 7500 acres, mix of wheat and pasture, we were small. In the late 90's I was custom farming and sowed one owners land back into grass (CRP Program) in NE Colorado. Roughly 96,000 acres. That's 150 square miles of land. Not sure if Greytaks are still around the Billings MT area, but when I was up there they had a field over 300,000 acres if I recall correctly.
Theater used to be the entertainment for the masses and now it's ridiculously expensive and inaccessible to most people.
Community theater and music is still affordable and I find it more enjoyable.
The planet.
PODCASTS!! The number of amazing podcasts that have been ripped off by celebrities who are so out of touch with the average persons daily experiences is disgusting. They are so starved for attention they have to take over any discussion that’s happening.
The outdoors. So many places used to be difficult to get to, required some level of toughness and grit just to see. More and more people argue that they are entitled to see these places without that, and they're flooding in, paving roads, cramming parking lots full, and trampling some of the most pristine, delicate, untouched areas of the world. I'm not trying to gatekeep these places, but nature sure was.
Hawaii. Im Polynesian and rich people have pretty much made Hawaii thiers and im sick of it. Technically not poor people but all islanders.
It wouldn't be so bad if a bit more of the tourist industry income actually went to the service industry people who serve the food, make the beds, clean the hotels. A lot of the service staff in resort areas are not paid what they deserve. I remember many years ago reading about a ski resort where the prices in town were so expensive that many of the cleaning and service staff lived in homeless tent camps outside of town, even in the middle of winter, because there was nowhere IN town they could actually afford to live and still be able to eat.
Outlet malls. Growing up the outlet mall was the place to find slightly irregular items and last years styles for like 50-75% off retail prices. Now they are just another retail store.
That's because as their popularity increased as a place to score deals, the manufacturers realized this was just another marketing channel so they began to make product specifically for it. No longer irregulars, surplus, etc. Just cheaply made versions of the more expensive stuff. https://lifehacker.com/how-to-tell-if-an-item-of-clothing-was-made-specificall-1845761919
Living near the coast used to be a poor people thing a long time ago.
nakedonmygoat replied:
My grandfather bought a house on Cape Cod when he retired from being an airline mechanic in the late 60s. He wasn't poor, but he sure as hell wasn't rich, and a normal middle class person wouldn't be able to do that today. Even if you inherit a house free and clear, the property taxes will eat you alive if you aren't rich.
New York City...
Mind you, I'm Puerto Rican, from New York and the diversity that once thrived in that city was 10 fold what it is today. Crazy to think right? I mean it's NEW YORK.
My grandmother lived in Little Italy for over 55 years before she passed away in 2019. She lived in the same apartment on Mulberry St for that long and everyone knew who she was. She lived there during the peak, and eventual, fall of the Mafia. The streets on a Saturday night would be closed off, you could smell the food the entire block, people among people among people. I remember walking past as a child with my mom and just being in awe of how many people were just having dinner, drinking wine and just genuinely happy. I would go up to my Grandmothers and climb out onto the fire escape and just gaze at them and I would never get bored...
...None of that exists anymore. Gentrification is a real b***h. Most of the hispanic and black minority have moved to places like Queens and inner city Bronx or Brooklyn, you know.. where the "poor" people belong. Truly sad. I'll never forget New York as I knew it.
ComicCons used to be pretty affordable, and you could chat with celebrities for a while.
Now they are a huge extravaganza, with multiple levels of admission and VIP access and VIP seating. Pictures and autographs with bigger celebrities can cost a shitload, and you wait in multiple lines and are rushed through it.
When I went(pre-Covid) I normally just see/buy art, those folks are usually not super busy and will often sign stuff for free.(unless they are big dudes like Frank Miller)
Agree 👍 The Comic-Con at London's Olympic is more of a con these days. The organisers are ripping off fans with love in their hearts and not much money in their pockets with a cold-eyed attitude that should shame them. Plus there's less interactive/exhibitions to see. Mostly bored stall-holders who beg you to visit with their eyes. The venue is dirty and unimaginative and each year London Comic-CON slips further down the drain.
Converse. When my dad was a kid it's what the poor kids wore now they are like $50 a pair for the same s**t shoe.
I was a kid in the 70s and only wore Converse knockoffs. We dug through the bin at Wards to get a left and a right of the same size and color. They were cheaper than adidas, but not cheap enough for us
Areas before they were gentrified. Gentrification increases house prices and the cost of living.
Rawscent added:
Cool neighborhoods. The rich move in and eliminate all the diversity that made them cool bit by bit until it’s all just rich people pretending to be cool.
Gaming. Hear me out.
Somebody is making those f*****g microtransactions profitable for those companies. I f*****g hate this s**t!
And the price of new AAA games has been skyrocketing. Now with all the Ultimate Editions etc, people are paying upward of $200 for games that used to go for $50, and you used to be able to buy a game and play it, but now what you buy is more like a demo, and then you buy the DLC on top of it.
Lobster - used to be peasant food, served to inmates, and used for plant fertilizer....
This happened once interstates were built, and refrigerated trucks were invented, and planes & trucks made it easy to transport goods. Sellers/chefs were able to get foods that had been unavailable in many areas before. They were the ones who touted shrimp, lobster, etc. And they were only available at very pricey, high end restaurants. In other words, only for the rich.
Carnivals and amusement parks.
$80 for 2 slices of pizza, 2 salads, and 2 drinks at Six Flags.
Everything is not just expensive, its obscenely way past expensive. *Everything*.
My son n I filled the backseat up with game prizes and a couple huge stuffed animals last summer, but I easily spent over $200 on games (and we're actually pretty good at 'em).
It was a $900+ day 💀
I think work boots and work clothing are being ruined. I want to buy work boots but the good stuff is being discontinued for hipster style boots for people who go to Starbucks and never set foot in a warehouse/construction/trade environment. The same with clothing. Carhartt is a hipster brand. Dickies started doing this flex s**t a while back, although they have sort of remained ok for now.
Football was working man's game. My Dad took me and my cousin to games every week home and away. This is beyond many now
unpopular opinion: College and HS games are way more fun than pro football (or really any sportsball)
Sewing and sewing supplies. The new machines are plastic garbage and since its become a hobby rather than for the average person the patterns after the 70s use way too much fabric.
Timberlands. They used to be good, inexpensive work boots that would last you forever, but once they got popular with celebrities, the price started going up and the quality went down. Now they're treated like a luxury brand and it's easier to find them in pink or with bedazzles than in a traditional color.
Coachella
Used to be (years ago) a kick back event with music lovers.
It’s now a s**t show with over the top antics and an opportunity for rich folks to party. The music isn’t the main reason they go.
In the nineties it was Lollapalooza, Phish and Grateful Dead shows. Brand new Birkenstocks and clean hair everywhere.
Mexican food, especially simple stuff like tacos and burritos.
It used to be the cheap option, especially where I live as there's a huge hispanic population and lots of great cheap Mexican takeout places. Then all of a sudden tacos became trendy and now places with $5+ tacos exist and everything went up in price pretty quickly.
karmagod13000 added:
Prolly like ramen noodles or McDonald's. fast food isn't even cheap anymore.
When I was 15(Summer of '81), we ate a LOT of tacos, corn on the cob, burgers, salads, etc because hamburger was cheap and we grew our own vegetables, when my kids were little(late '80s, early '90s), ramen was 10/$1.00, Kraft mac & cheese was 3/$1.00, a can of Campbell's Chicken Noodle or Tomato soup was .65cents. Now you can't get a can of soup for less than $1.29 and there's no way it's feeding more than one person. I could go on for days, but I think I made my point. I was feeding 3 kids for less than what it takes to feed just ME today. (Side note: a MEGA size box of Honey Bunches of Oats with Almonds Nutrition Facts says there are 19 one cup servings in the box. Go measure out the next box you buy...there's fewer than that. Also, to be quite frank, how is that one cup of cereal with milk enough to feed an adult?? Even kids would need more to go with it!)
Anything that was relabeled as "communism" so that the rich wouldn't have to pay more taxes / give up their lucrative business models.
e.g., Unions, state subsidized healthcare, estate tax, etc.
Affordability health care, affordability housing, affordable groceries, retirement...
Avocados have become so popular that the locals can no longer afford them.
To make it even more perverse: At my German "Penny" supermarket (a cheap supermarket) right in front of my house, avocados cost just 55 cents. Origin: Mexico. They come all the way from America to cost us 55 cents but the locals can't afford them anymore? Something is terribly wrong here. The same with blueberries. We have the cheapest blueberries from Peru here, even in winter. How are the farmers paid?
Storage shed auctions used to be really cheap until that stupid Storage Wars show came along.
Now instead of buying cheap for some furniture, too many people are jacking up the prices thinking that there's some lost antiques worth thousands that they'd find in every unit.
Every little cool mountain town in the American west.
And antiquing! You could find quality, real wood pieces of furniture to refinish or leave natural for little money. I have a mahogany dressing table that I bought and and a cherry sewing table that a friend found on the side of the road that I love. Now, going to look for antiques has become too expensive, and there are too many people with too much money there to enjoy it.
The champion brand. I remember goodwill and walmart selling their champion stuff for cheap, now it's "designer" and it costs so much more now smh
Edit: I'm so glad that other people know what I'm talking about. This was my first comment after making a reddit for myself, also, "designer" is a very strong word. It's more "in trend" and popular. It's not as big as Michael Kors and Steve madden but it's difficult to find a champion sweater for less than $50-100+ when it used to be $10-20
I love Champion clothes! You're right, they used to be inexpensive, quality clothes. I found some Champion t-shirts online last year that were pretty cheap, and they were much more substantial than more expensive ones I bought that were so thin you could see through them.
Colorado. The original locals are being forced out of the state by the wave of Californians coming in, dropping $500k cash on a house, and then voting for NIMBY zoning laws to keep new housing from being built to compensate for the increased demand.
Vinyl collecting. It was a dead, cheap to get into industry as a hobby. Now come and get your $50 RSD special jizz splatter Chet Baker EP.
Vegan food. When it became a trend the label vegan made it 50% more expensive.
There was a huge scandal in the late 2000s when it was reveal most pizza shops didn't use real cheese, because plant based was cheaper.
Today vegan cheese 200% compared to normal cheese.
Most pizza shops? Source please. I've never heard of any pizza place using fake cheese. I looked at Wikipedia and in the 90's there was only one brand of commercial vegan cheese and it cost twice as much as real cheese. I think this one is just a lie.
Creating YouTube channels.
KiloNation replied:
The worst part of this is that they all use the same format. Vlogs, 50 different camera cuts in a span of two minutes, clickbait titles and thumbnails.
Living in the middle of no where like a forest or near a lake.
Taking junky old cars and fixing them up as a hobby. Rich people discovered they could buy up loads of potentially very worthwhile project cars for not much, restore them to a level of unobtainable quality and price which drove the price up, now everyone "knows what they have" (eyeroll.png) and holds out for the big buyers instead of the neighbor down the street. They turned a hobby into a billion dollar industry and entertainment conglomerate so they can sell the cars to other rich people since few people can afford a $200,000 restored Mustang or GTO or whatever it is.
Dad and brother overhauled VW Bugs and Buses for fun when I was a kid. They could buy cheap, repair and sell off at a profit. I just saw two overhauled Bugs that were tagged at 18,000 USD last week. Savages!
Grunge/punk style clothing - bought for few $$ now designer versions sell for 100s.
Food that was cooked out of necessity.
Chinese dumplings or pot stickers, for example, was a way to stretch out meat rations over an extended amount of time. A pound of meat can be quickly consumed by a family of five but if you wrap small portions of that meat with carrots, cabbage, and virtually any vegetable in dough and either boil it or fry it, you can satiate the entire household for a longer period of time.
When rich people started making it, basically with the same ingredients, the tone of the dish changed. Before, it was consumed because hard decisions had to made to make it through a rough period. Now, at places like Fats, a set of five dumplings will set you back about fifteen bucks and served as an appetizer to a hundred or more dollar meal giving the illusion that you're eating some ballin' a*s dumplings when in reality, it's just dumplings.
I don't understand this OP's complaint. Anyone can still make dumplings at home to stretch out their "meat rations". How did "when rich people started making it," change the quality of homemade dumplings globally?? If the OP is referring to the cost of buying pre-made dumplings at a restaurant or frozen from a store, sure, it's going to be more expensive than and probably not as delicious as homemade because you're paying someone else to make the dumplings for you, and they will use the cheapest ingredients available so they can make a living selling dumplings. Maybe the OP should get off their butt and just go make some dumplings instead of complaining.
The 'minimalist' lifestyle.
You're a multi-millionaire yet for some reason you live in some squeaky clean, showhome apartment with brushed metal everything, and own almost literally nothing. You call this "liberating", when the reality is lots of people genuinely can't afford that apartment or indeed any contents for it.
Hulu, YouTube and quinoa.
The first two used to be as free as well as free. I remember we used to find ways to watch Hulu at school on the school laptops. I watched lots of spice and wold and other anime on there. YouTube used to be awesome. Now both are full of ads and not as entertaining because of it. Not to mention they charge you for them just to avoid ads and then Hulu doesn’t honor their word. SMH.
Edit to add that a whole civilization used to have quinoa as a big part of their everyday lives. Now big companies have made it a popular health food that costs an arm and a leg. Now they cannot even afford it anymore.
I use quinoa because my body sucks and I can’t eat rice, one of the foods on the lowest end of the allergen scale, because I have a food intolerance to it. I love rice! It doesn’t love me back. 😞
Alaskan King Crab legs. When I was a kid, we could get a 1 lb box for $.99
Hot springs.
Used to be for everyone, and often viewed as dirty or undesirable by the upper class.
Now people are buying up land featuring hot springs and making them expensive resorts.
Depends on the hot springs. Saratoga Springs was already hoity toity 160 years ago, but there's still plenty of free hot springs in Oregon
Pretty much anything retro video game related. For awhile there everyday people used to be able to find quality retro games, systems and peripherals (Atari, NES, Genesis, SNES, Turbografx, ColecoVision etc) at flea markets and garage sales for just a few bucks. Now everything is snatched up by a handful of resellers and pumped up in price on ebay or at conventions. Thank goodness for emulation.
To be honest, it's natural this stuff gets more expensive as more time passes. Things get lost, break, and eventually they get rare. Sucks to be a collector now tho, with people having better access to checking the prices of what they found from the attic, lol.
Yoga.
Supernova008 added:
Man! An an Indian Hindu, the way western people appropriated and completely ruined yoga is very damn infuriating.
To be fair though, this happens a LOT when cultures meet. For example: A lot of people were copying Maori "Ta Moko" tattoo designs, even though they are sacred. However, Maori, being the awesome people they are, created "Kirituhi", which is similar, but carries no cultural or religious significance. As well, there are people all over the world who wear crosses because they think it's cool, even though they aren't Christian, and it has no religious significance to them. My person feeling is: as long as it's not hurting anybody, and not stealing someone's cultural identity (e.g. Ta Moko, or wearing a particular Clan's tartan) I don't think we should worry TOO much.
Creativity on the Internet everything seems to be patented or copyright protected.
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The Goodwill bit is very true but I don't blame rich people. I Blane trashy people scouring Goodwill to resell every thing and try to make a fortune and they come from all economic backgrounds. Except the very poor who can barely afford their own clothes and now especially can't afford them at the only store they used to be able to- Goodwill.
Yes. People should consider the ethics of buying in thrift shops and then upcycling.
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Yeah, I really think this is the fault of greedy capitalism. We can't fault people buying what they like. Supply and demand has existed forever.
People are greedy, whatever the system they are in. Not just rich people can be greedy, but you just can't do much problem when you are poor and greedy.
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Most of these are because the [product] became popular. The blame should be placed on capitalism and those that profit off it by saying oh it's popular now, let's jack up the price.
Maybe in a few cases, like the ripped jeans (which you can make your own at home, so why buy?) , but most of the consumer price increases are due to the rising cost of production. As the cost of materials to make goods increases, it is reflected in the cost of the manufacturing which is passed on to the vendor who must sell the product at a price that also pays the expenses of the venue (rent, taxes, wages, insurance, electricity,) as well as (hopefully) enough revenue to live on. Add in that consumers have been demanding "eco-friendly" and "anti sweatshop" products causes the price of production to increase to accommodate these values.
Load More Replies... The Goodwill bit is very true but I don't blame rich people. I Blane trashy people scouring Goodwill to resell every thing and try to make a fortune and they come from all economic backgrounds. Except the very poor who can barely afford their own clothes and now especially can't afford them at the only store they used to be able to- Goodwill.
Yes. People should consider the ethics of buying in thrift shops and then upcycling.
Load More Replies... Yeah, I really think this is the fault of greedy capitalism. We can't fault people buying what they like. Supply and demand has existed forever.
People are greedy, whatever the system they are in. Not just rich people can be greedy, but you just can't do much problem when you are poor and greedy.
Load More Replies... Most of these are because the [product] became popular. The blame should be placed on capitalism and those that profit off it by saying oh it's popular now, let's jack up the price.
Maybe in a few cases, like the ripped jeans (which you can make your own at home, so why buy?) , but most of the consumer price increases are due to the rising cost of production. As the cost of materials to make goods increases, it is reflected in the cost of the manufacturing which is passed on to the vendor who must sell the product at a price that also pays the expenses of the venue (rent, taxes, wages, insurance, electricity,) as well as (hopefully) enough revenue to live on. Add in that consumers have been demanding "eco-friendly" and "anti sweatshop" products causes the price of production to increase to accommodate these values.
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