From strict dress code regulations to senseless time management techniques, there's plenty of rules to follow at work or school. And while some of them give our life order and direction, others are... just stupid. But don't waste your energy thinking about how to break or change them. Sometimes you can just wait it out. If the rule is as ridiculous as you think, there's a big chance it will backfire. And there's plenty of examples to back this up.
If you want proof, redditor u/TabblespoonFarmer3 asked “What stupid rule at your work/school backfired beautifully?” and the people of Reddit delivered. The post got more than 56.5K upvotes and received 13.4K comments.
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Boss bitched and complained that we all (welders and millwrights) took lunch and breaks whenever we felt like it (actually just when we got the chance) and implemented a rule that if you didnt take your break/lunch at the right time you didnt get them. Myself and another welder got sent to do a repair that was about a 2 hour drive from the shop first thing in the morning, boss said it was going to be a quick fix so we didnt bring our lunches. We needed the machine running ASAP because it was costing a quarter of a million an hour for down time. Turns out his quick fix was a pretty major welding job, and required us to completely rebuild a motor mount. The operator knew this and had told the boss that was when needed to be done. Well guess what boss man, if you just let us take our lunches and breaks when we wanted or had at least told us what the actual job was we wouldnt have driven 2 hours to the job, done 1 hour of work, driven another 2 hours back to the shop, ate lunch at noon like we were supposed to, and then driven 2 hours back to the job to finish it.
TLDR: Bosses power trip cost over $1,000,000 in a single day so that we could eat our lunches on time.
My hubby can only eat lunch when he has the chance and many times he has had to go without eating at all. You can't just stop to eat lunch and leave the concrete, otherwise the job would get ruined.
Long time ago I worked for a place that made industrial building stuff. One time, we had made a road surface for a council who wanted to only close the road for a day. I'd been in QC, and helped test to write instructions, it was very time sensitive. Unfortunately council were also very strict about the workers breaks. Result was almost 3 weeks road closure.
Load More Replies...Yeah, any company would fire people that chose to drive back to the shop for their lunch rather than get lunch somewhere local. Gimme a break.
I'm confused how you reply to yourself got down voted but your OC rightfully did not.
Load More Replies...HEY ... they followed the rules. SAD that it cost that much, but, HEY ... they followed the rules. This is TOTALLY on the boss.
I would have brought my lunch anyway. Bosses are notorious for being clueless.
Rules should make your life simpler, not more complicated. So the more rules we create, the happier we should be, right? Well, according to this survey, the abundance of rules at work does the exact opposite. After receiving more than 7000 responses from Harvard Business Review readers, the researchers found out that organizations had become more bureaucratic over the past few years. And the issue is even more serious at bigger companies. “'Bureaucratic drag' slows work down, wastes time, stifles innovation, and causes employees to focus too much on internal matters rather than their customers,” the results show.
Schools are also falling for the same bureaucratic trap. A Secret Teacher told the Guardian that endless rules can do more harm than good for the students. The school where the Secret Teacher works punishes them for listening to music, wearing a coat in class or having ties too short. “It has become almost too easy to remove a student from a class to the hallway or to senior management. Many of my colleagues take this approach,” the teacher said.
And while the educator understands the need for rules in general, he or she rarely uses military-style discipline for things this minor: “Relaxing some of the rules has helped me treble one class’s output since the start of last year.” Students should not miss large amounts of school due to unnecessary rules and teachers should be the ones who help and support them.
Zero tolerance ended shortly after a bully got thrown through a window because "if I'm getting suspended for defending myself I'm gonna make it worth my while."
"zero tolerance" just means "we are just evil and we protect bullies." I had to threaten to sue them so they change their mind.
If I'm going to get suspended then they're going to get hospitalized.
Defenestration, I learned that word watching Sherlock Holmes, the BBC ones, he loves to throw bad guy out of window which I fully endorse.
I learned it in history class, french people have the guillotine, czech history peaked with defenestrating
Load More Replies...How'd the bully go? I mean, did he keep it up as well as everyone learning that putting up with that BS..is actually BS?
Fyi... zero tolerance is a superficial made up word that has been removed from many work places by smart HR. If not; then the company cares not if they are ensued in lengthy legalities. "Zero tolerance " has no grounds per established relations in a work force establishment were most people spend more time and engage more regularly with co-workers then their actual family. So saying; " ok Biscuit, you messed up but...... come in monday." " sorry croissant, you're fired" . Zero tolerance doesn't have any standing. Thanks for listening. I have never posted anything before.
This is about policies in schools about fighting where the person being punched gets the same punishment as the puncher. It has nothing to do with HR or an adult workplace. Definitely not a "made up word."
Load More Replies...Obviously, this was an extreme reaction, but that still proves this wasn't a good method
Duh of course we know he defenestrated the bully. When a bully does it, no one cares even a little bit.
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Required every employee to use electronic timeclocks to punch in/out for work including lunch. Punching in late or leaving early would cause your pay to be docked and getting a discipline letter.
Multiple people wanted to sabotage the clocks (cut the cords, etc) but wiser heads prevailed...
Everyone arrive several minutes early and left late, every single day, to avoid getting into trouble.
Unfortunately, this created unimpeachable evidence of hours worked. The employer had to pay out thousands of dollars in overtime the first month.
The clocks disappeared exactly five weeks after they were installed with no notification.
They can, and do, in most countries. Its just that the U.S. corporate culture is to toxic and top-down that it is downright hostile towards everyone that isn't either a costumer or CEO.
Load More Replies...I worked for a multi-billion dollar corporation. We got a new director that changed our dept status of salaried, professional staff, to hourly, unprofessional staff. My staff of 11 highly capable people was outraged. I too was changed to hourly. We worked on average 70 hours per week. I told them to be patient and see how it played out. When we received our first pay statement under this new policy, I heard, OMG!, Holy Sh*t! and other powerful exclamations. Our pay had more than doubled. It lasted 15 weeks and then reverted back to professional, salaried status. The new Director was walked out of the building. I was sad.
We had to clock out our breaks even. Boss didn't pay OT until gov't made him; he'd tried to say we were salaried, but salaried don't use time cards.
In my first ever proper job, employees were trusted to do their job. No comment if you worked really hard to leave early one day, some guys came in early and left late so they could take a long enough brake to go watch their kids play football. There was a strict log in log out system, but it was all about fire safety. I was very shocked when I learned this was not normal in most jobs. In my next job in the first week I worked through last brake most days so I could leave 10 mins early to avoid traffic. Cried when I got paid - I'd been docked half a day every time.
Where I worked in Brazil, we used to have RFID badges for the time clocks, but these were mainly for NDA/access control. The exact timing has some leeway and we weren’t all that worried. Besides, OT was not enforced either.
Corporate GREED at its finest ... and it totally backfired! WONDERFUL!
In my ex-company they just resetted your overtime to 50h at the end of the month or 16h at the end of the year. CEO's wife was s high-roller lawyer in working law, so what can you do
I hope that someone turned them in for Wage Theft!
Load More Replies...It's not hard to figure out who is goofing off if you pay attention.
One place I worked they had the classic time clock that "ka-chunk" printed the time. They replaced it with a digital one. It didn't take some people long to figure out if you punch at 7 after 8, it counted it as 8 but if you punched at 8 after it counted as 8:15. Same applied when leaving. So, some people would really push it and clock in at 7 after, out for lunch at 7 til, back in at 7 after and then again at 7 til to go home essentially picking up a free half hour per day including the slightly longer lunch hour. Even though HR knew it was happening, because it was such a small number of people abusing the system, they just let it slide as it wasn't worth the time to look at all the time cards and manually calculate the actual time.
However, if such rules make your work life miserable and there's nothing anyone can do, here's a few ways how to cope with them. First, do your research. If the rule is as pointless as you think, you should find some information to prove it and form your argument to your manager or HR.
Second, there's still a lot of meaningless policies in a number of workplaces, like strict dress codes or tattoo bans. You can try a little rule-bending to show that it's completely irrelevant and that your employer should move with the times. The more people oppose them, the faster they're going to change.
And lastly, one of the best ways to get rid of an unwanted regulation is to suggest a better alternative and put a human face on the issue. If you take the time to invite your higher-ranking colleagues to discuss the issues with you and your coworkers, you might be able to think of a better solution.
Late 80’s high school- rule was no shorts. Classmate came for an exam with basketball shorts on that were below her knees. Teacher made her go home to change. She came back in a micro mini skirt and wrote her exam.
Exam dress codes are pretty stupid in general...you're there to stare at a piece of paper for several hours, who cares what you're wearing?
They probably started out with the best of sensible intentions to prevent cheating - no extra long sleeves in case you've written the answers on the back of your hand where a sleeve would cover it up. And over time they've been warped and the original reason long forgotten and they've become some Draconian added pressure on top of already unreasonable stress.
Load More Replies...Those weren't basketball shorts, they were capris made out of athletic material.
We weren't allowed to wear shorts in my high school in the late '80s, but the track uniforms were made up of the most ridiculously short shorts you could imagine. And females could wear short skirts. Made no sense. Now I'm 50, and when I drop my kid off at high school, I'm astonished at what I see people wearing. It's literally "your parents let you leave the house like that?" May sound judgmental (I really don't care what people wear), but it makes me feel like an old man....
Attended college in the south in the seventies- I was a yankee. Not used to unequal treatment of the sexes, I wore my shorts to class all the time. One day the teacher came over and accused me of trying to sexually entice the males in the room. I looked around at all these logos little girls in skirts so short and tight that nothing was left to the imagination of anyone facing the class. And who was facing the class?
There was a very strict "no visible bra strap" rule at my school (even if you were wearing a tank top with thick straps, even if it accidentally fell to the side as bra straps do). Being the smart ass I was, I just took my bra off whenever I got yelled at lmao
I started needing a bra at around 9. One time after changing for PE, the teacher got mad because he could see my bra under the thin PE top. I went back at took of my bra and left it with my clothes. That meant on top of my desk in the class room. I wasn't being sassy I was a little kid. Teacher went crazy and yelled at me in front of the class for ages. We were all too young for any of the kids to have noticed. Put me off PE for a long time, made a lot of girls in the class too body conscious and a few boys becoming more curious about girl bodies in an unhealthy way. I was an adult before I realized - WTH is a grown man doing noticing a little girls changing body!
I gues the root of the problem is the lacki of awareness among. In the end bras are just a clothing item and nothing more, until an unless they get the same treatment as pants, people will be freaked out
It’s literally a piece of CLOTHING. People should learn how to act about women/girls
Not for nothing, but the origin of this policy was not to shame girls. It was a response to rules against boys sagging their pants and showing their underwear. They complained that parts of girls' bras showed so it wasn't a fair policy and well, here we are. But yes, it's been abused since.
Another day, another rapey cisgender heterosexual male is policing (read: leering at) a girl's body, looking at a child with sexual thoughts.
I'm sorry.... What??? I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding your comment. "Girls that will always do things to entice guys..."?! In specific response to the post this comment is under.... Or... Maybe the guys need to learn to have respect for females and FULLY understand what "consent" means and that any given person is in full control of their own mental thoughts and it's not some "witchcraft" females are doing to as specifically convolute the fragile male ego. If you decide to enforce archaic rules to protect the poor defenseless "guys," then it needs to be across the board... No one wants to see man boobs either. Go put a damn bra on too! Your body needs to be restricted as well. Gross!
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Back in 2014 our HR made a rule people couldn’t go to other buildings. We had 3 buildings within a block of each other. All 3 had shipping areas and the warehouse employees had to go to each building to work.
We were told to stay at one building. I mentioned we ship out of all 3 who is going to do the work? The genius said oh it’ll be taken care of.
Next day $500k shipment didn’t go out. The following day we have a meeting.
Why didn’t you ship this? Uh, 2 days ago we were told to stay in our building and someone would take care of it.
The rule was quickly changed.
This is a sign of incompetent top management -- you don't let your accountants and HR make operational business decisions. Happens way too often though.
Why would HR even have a say in that? HR should be a department facilitating to the needs of the employees and somehow they are always looking for having a say in s**t they have nothing to do with. And that's besides how bonkers this is. You have nothing to say about where people do their work, that's up to their own teams and managers. Go stamp some pay rolls or something.
More than one job I've had some VP call me and try to tell me how to do my job. And every time I politely let them know they don't know my area or my customers and the way I do things and the customers I serve make us money, even if it falls a little outside their guidelines (customers should be within a certain distance of the store). They quickly understand I know my job better than they do and leave me alone to do it.
I worked for a consulting company, traveling monday-thursday somewhere in my country. We had a pretty good hotel allowance (enough for 5 star hotels) and a great rule: if you stayed with a friend, you got an allowance (about a third of the hotel allowance) to buy gifts for the host.
I got the rare treat of a 6-month project in the town of my best friend from childhood was going to university. We made a great arrangement: I would crash at his place and spend the evenings drinking beer, watching movies and play videogames. In return, I used the gift allowance to order dinner for the two of us.
After submitting my first expense report, I was told by some HR drone that the gift allowance was supposed to be used seldomly and not for food for myself.
So I booked a room in a five star hotel, was upgraded to a junior suite because of my rewards status and invited my friend to evenings of beer, video games and room service.
After my second expense report, the project manager asked me about the tripling of the expenses compared to the first report. After explaining the situation and pointing out what sum of money it would mean over the 6 months, he got in contact with HR...
Two days later, the rule was recinded. The project even got my friend (the then newly released) PS3 as a thank you for letting me stay with him.
Had the same for a 2nights/week deal, with a friend staying over for 16months. However, his contracting company could do math (i.e., he never had to book a hotel) and great times were had.
This is the kind of ridiculous expense that drives up the cost of EVERYTHING.
Place I worked (1990) would pay for dinner for the few who worked after hours and lunch and dinner on days that are normally off (weekends and holidays) (my department was on that was required to work nights and weekends at the first of the month, no exceptions). after several years they suddenly put a cap on how much we could spend. We're in a small town, it's not like we're eating at Outback, we order pizza or grab sandwiches. Nevertheless, the daily cap meant we couldn't even do that without digging into our own pocket. Pretty much came down to, if we're buying our own food then we'll go home and be with our families and we'll be back whenever we get back from where ever we decide to go eat (which was almost a guarantee of at least a 90 minute drive time alone). Just the idea that instead of feed us and we work while we eat vs no work done for hours was all it took to drive the point home. Their food limit was devised because the officers of the company were eating high on the hog.
I'm afraid I would have taken the opportunity of spending six months in a five star hotel.
An online friend who I had never met in real life was assigned a job for the summer of 2019 (maybe 2018?) This job happened to put him 30 minutes away from where I live. We hung all the time. He had a hotel room and rental car the company paid for, including gas. He was just grateful to have friends nearby while stuck away from home for 3 months
A long while back, but my school banned the color pink because a bunch of students were wearing it one October and they thought it was a "gang" thing. It was for breast cancer awareness month. The rule didn't go well for them.
another case of not understanding popular culture by ignorant older conservatives. Get out of education, you are not helping the world move forward, you're dragging it back.
Since when are schools run exclusively by conservatives?
Load More Replies...I know! My principal wouldn’t let me skip a grade even though I was clearly advanced and my teacher agreed…so glad I’m homeschooled now
Load More Replies...You can't keep track of every theme month and such, but if this happens, sure anyone involved could tell you what it was about
A few years ago my wife and I bought a new car. At the time, the dealership was outfitting all new cars with a bright pink license plate frame, in an effort to support breast cancer awareness, or something, and also making a donation - which was great. My wife, who was actively undergoing chemo and radiation for breast cancer at the time, took one look at it and said "No, take that off. I have breast cancer, but I think It looks ridiculous." The look on the salespersons face was pretty priceless.
Hahaha. A gang that wears pink. How scary would that be. I'm surprised Spielberg didn't dress the Jets all in pink for his reboot of Westside Story.
A middle school in my town did the same thing. The first day the principal wore a freaking pink tie.
My company decided to “Save Money” by eliminating our staff messenger, a sweet older guy, who drove to each of our 5 local offices daily, to pick up and drop off mail. In the afternoon he would sort outgoing and inter office mail to be delivered the next day. They told us to send any inter office mail overnight by UPS. This could mean sending out 4 different shipments, one to each office. After the first month the UPS bill was 5 times the guy’s monthly salary. They scrapped the plan and hired him back.
never underestimate how useful a "little guy" is. Covid taught us that. Suddenly cleaners are essential staff.
Yes probably even part of their official policies and procedures. Unfortunately the bosses have no obligation to follow any of their own rules, and are usually too ignorant and arrogant to think they should think about any of their decisions. And also mostly are business majors so can't do simple math like calculating the differences in cost between one employee and contracting deliveries out to commercial companies. Or the sense to ask accounting to figure that out either. In other words, most upper management is worse than useless to the companies that pay them.
Load More Replies...How low must his daily pay be that 4 UPS deliveries cost 5x more than him?!
Four deliveries from each of the five plants to each other, making that twenty deliveries, all of them costing extra for being overnight express, five days a week. I just tested a shipment by UPS Next Day Early within Manhattan (postal code 10001 to 10005), that'd be $72 per package. Assuming a 20 weekday month, that's just short of $29k. Per MONTH. I'd assume that's about what this guy made a year...
Load More Replies...Sales director, after being told by finace he had to make a guy redundant: "that guy knows everything about every product we sell, and and everything useful about every customer we sell to: I will NOT make him redundant". Phew !
Amazed that the employee went back to work for them, considering how he was treated.
When COVID started our boss demanded that our entire team sit in on group zoom calls, even if the topics on the agenda didn't have anything to do with their roles. She felt it would build team unity.
Productivity dropped, negative Google reviews came in, staff became more stressed.
When she demanded answers on the next zoom call one of my co-workers bluntly said "well, I would reply to this woman's voice mail, but I'm stuck on this zoom call".
this isn't about team spirit this is about monitoring you to make sure you are working / visible. AKA presentism. The most useless form of work.
Completely agree. We had GPS trackers installed in our work vans for "If SoMeBoDy StEaLs ThE VaN We CaN TrAcK iT." What happened? They monitored our movement to make sure we were working.
Load More Replies...Boss sends out an email (rather than a text) saying be on this zoom meeting or this Teams meeting. Problem is, some don't get emails until they arrive at work and open their email which may not be for 30 minutes or more after arriving. Then people get reprimanded for not being on a meeting they knew nothing about. Of course notifying people the day before seems to escape their train of thought too.
Been working remote since long before covid. Team building comes from cooperation, time management, and occasional in-person perks (not during covid of course). Arbitrary guidelines only make things harder
Clearly doesn't have a single gram of trust. Treats others as objects to be 'stimulated' toward 'progress' which has always resulted in carrots and sticks management.
Working at Home Depot I asked for a long weekend off I was denied. Later on I got in a bit of an argument with one of my supervisors, who reprimanded me by giving me a 3 day suspension...over the long weekend. Success.
Ygh. Another manager that thinks he owns you. When I say I'm going to be gone, I'm going to be gone. Staffing and hiring are your tasks, not mine. See you next week.
Sort of same happened to me while working for HD. Was late 3 diff times due to being stuck by a train and car issues. Was written up by my supervisor even though I had stayed late numerous times to get product off the floor. When I told them it was a shitty thing to do, they said I don't need to tell any of the other employees. Went out, told said coworkers, and finished my shift. Next night, I was given employee of the month award. I said you have to be Fing kidding me. Quit about a week later.
Kinda reminds me of school. I skived off almost every day. I'd go in to have my attendance marked, then I'd leave after the first class, slipped out the front door while people were changing classes. I did it for months until I got caught. The punishment was a 3 day suspension. Nice one!
Either take attendance at every class or don't do it at all.
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The bottom floor of my secondary school was a square that had corridor all the way around. After some incident where a kid got knocked over, they implemented a one-way system. Unfortunately, they were Very Strict on enforcing it. If you accidentally walked past your class, you couldn't just turn around. They seemed very proud of their new rule... until everyone started showing up late for class because they had to do extra laps of the bottom floor.
"whoopsies, one step too far, guess I'll saunter around another lap. What a dire shame I miss the first ten minutes of history class."
Oh darn...I got distracted and missed the door again. Silly me.
Load More Replies...Ah I remember our one way system. I had one class that was a few doors away from one of my other classes. But the wrong way. So instead of it taking 10 seconds to get there, I had to go halfway round the building.
I remember, I got my 1st demerits in Jr. High, for going up the down stair case. I was running late for a class that was on the down stairs part of the building, the up stairs were on the total opposite side. I was running late because I was helping a teacher that had fallen and dropped some stuff. When she found out, those demerits were stuck off my record and I got a commendation, and the teacher that had given me the demerits had to present it to me. Karma. lol
Load More Replies...I’ve never accidentally walked past my classroom other than the first day of school, how the heck was it happening so often at this place?
Yeah? Walking past the classroom wouldn't change the rule in any school I've ever worked The students would be held to the expectation of getting to class on time.
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My spouse's workplace realized they didn't have a policy about sending sexual images or jokes as part of their email acceptable use policy, so they added it.
Except they made it a firing offense to send or receive sexual content (I think the intent was to stop people from subscribing to such content). They also said that your access would be immediately revoked until a determination was made.
So someone got fired for something else and decided to send their whole management chain a graphically sexual image, then report it using the anonymous tip line. IT got the report, concluded they did indeed receive sexual content, and did as required—suspended all the involved email accounts, including the SVP's.
The policy has since been reworded
It's like the "zero tolerance" policy many schools have. If I'm going to receive the same punishment for being punched by a student as I would for punching a student, I'm sure as hell gonna fight back and do as much damage as I can.
yep, see the (current) #3 post i this thread....... "Zero tolerance ended shortly after a bully got thrown through a window because "if I'm getting suspended for defending myself I'm gonna make it worth my while.""
Load More Replies...Our workplace used to put chili pepper icons on emails that might contain “spicy,” aka sexual, content. The emails would still send, but the chili pepper was some sort of warning. This was a laboratory, so when one of us emailed her boss about protein cleavage, the word “cleavage” triggered a chili pepper icon.
My high school had a zero tolerance on fighting policy. I got attacked in the locker room by a bully who said I "looked at her boyfriend" (I didn't). I was hopping on one foot changing out of my jeans when she shoved me over the bench and into the lockers and proceeded to hit me. According to the school I should have walked away. Nah, I punched her in the nose. The principal decided to make an exception to the zero policy and suspended her, but not me, because she knew I was a "good kid". My bully still had 2 black eyes from me breaking her nose when she came back to school two weeks later.
I'm sorry, this isn't a stupid policy backfiring, this is an employee being fired, and rather than explaining their side to maintain their job, they took out a petty revenge on the company and slowing them down. I'm not saying I agree with the policy (sending should be the offense, not receiving), but I also don't agree with the approach that was taken
I was working as a medical assistant at a private practice medical clinic. Our clinic manager wouldn’t allow the new receptionist to drive to the bank to deposit cash. Made her walk carrying the money bag so that she couldn’t “drive away with the money.” Bizarre. I know. That went on for a few weeks. Then the receptionist was mugged and over $1000 in cash was stolen. She was allowed to drive after that.
If the clinic manager was unable to trust the receptionist with that task, then they should have done it themself.
Maybe the manager was projecting what they would do if they had a bag of cash.
Load More Replies...So they purposely put her in danger to make a point about something that was never going to happen anyway. Hope she sues them and wins.
Now ask yourself, did she arrange the mugging therefore getting the cash (or at least 1/2) AND keeping her job? I bet if you hadn't thought of that before, you're thinking about it now.
Load More Replies...Strange that the receptionist didn't tell the clinic manager to deposit the money himself, because she was not going to walk to the bank with a load of cash.
By making her walk too, they open themselves up to a lawsuit if the receptionist was mugged or injured along the way.
If I was that receptionist I wouldn't want to make that deposit again!
They stopped paying for extra hours because the "only reason we needed extra hours was because we didn't organize our work properly". First people stopped working late.
Some tasks were just impossible to perform within working hours.
They ended up having to pay 4 Saturdays in a row (150% of the income) to 2x times more people just to get back in schedule.
That's a RSA SecurID token that's very much in use today in that exact form. Source: used to have one when I worked for a major German car brand until last year
Load More Replies...Honestly… it’s true that long hours are often the result of poor planning. But it’s not poor planning on the side of the people executing the work. It’s poor planning on the side of leadership and management. So this rule basically double punishes the worker bees for the incompetence of management.
Company I worked for decided to grant raises on a curve. Problem was - there were no slackers; everyone worked hard and worked extra (unpaid) hours. Because of the curve, some people (who did not deserve it) got very low raises, if any. Funny thing. EVERYONE stopped working extra hours, causing the release date to slip. Lesson: do not try to bully a group of responsible adults.
Thats what I keep telling teachers. Stop working for free - if they ALL worked the hours they are paid for the extra BS would either go away or be scheduled better....
You can't speak a foreign language at work unless you're a certified translator in that language. We had a guy in a customer service position that spoke Spanish as a second language. Yeah, his regular Spanish speaking customers were confused as to why he could no longer speak to them in Spanish, because they knew he was fluent. Eventually J explains to them (in English) that they made it against the rules for him to speak Spanish. They weren't happy about that.
This was probably brought in to protect the employees. If you mis-translate something, you could cost the company a lot of money, hence them having a certification programme. What seems silly is that the guy that spoke Spanish could have done the certification and would probably have been paid more because of it.
I suspect there was also an element of racism to it
Load More Replies...I work in healthcare and the same thing happened. First, it protected the business and the employee against lawsuits from patients claiming mistranslation. Second, it protected employees from uncompensated labor and uncomfortable situations. Not everybody wants to explain that grandma's not going to make it.
I suspect there was an element of racism here. And I remember at Pitt they asked language students to be volunteer translators at the hospitals with zero certification. I always declined for fear of killing someone, but its common to use people with even just a basic knowledge
Load More Replies...Did they certify everyone in English? Which dialect: American, British, Australian?
people implement those rules so that they can listen in to all conversations like the nosy bastards they are
Sounds like some brain-damaged bigot was hired or promoted to a position they shouldn't have been.
Yes- his one already malformed partial brain cell was damaged from the start, then disintegrated, wafting out of an ear long ago.
Load More Replies...No foreign languages? In a country that doesn't even have its own national language? Weird...
This is just stupid from start to finish; no reasoning at all, just a power trip!
Couldn't buy drinks at lunch with cash money, had to buy some voucher. They were just cheaply made laminated pieces of paper. This was 2001, I was 13 and bored.Scanned the vouchers and printed them out on paper that kinda matched the colour of the vouchers. and laminated tem myself. They were horrible made and not even the right colour on the backside. Also crudely cut out. I 'made' about a hundred of them of passed them out after I tried paying with them for myself and encountered no problems. Made some new friends and upped production. Took them about three weeks to find out but by then the fakes ones had intermingled with the real ones and had already been resold to students via the student office. About half of the vouchers sold were fakes.
Drinks were cash only from then on. They had no choice to accept the fakes one for a little while longer though, as they had sold and charged for some of them.
The reason for this rule is to prevent catering staff from stealing the cash... common problem at any cash-based place. The idea is that the vouchers are bought from the school administration and then you use them for things. We had a card-based system at my uni, where you'd load cash onto your student card which had a magnetic stripe. Your only alternative is digital payments eg qr codes etc. Cash is a nuisance. Also, techincally, this is forgery/fraud since the vouchers did have cash value.
The lesson, folks, is never underestimate the criminal capabilities of middle schoolers.
7th grade, private school, in the 70's. Our grade had a weekend excursion to the 4H center (closed for winter) they made sure the vending machines were full. Problem is, first evening there, about 10 purchases in, the snack machine broke. It's one of those where most items hang on a corkscrew. The principals son and his cronies tilted the machine forward on it's front legs and rocked it back and forth until it was dang near empty. There were 2 teachers watching the whole time and one finally said "okay, that's enough" and they set it down and everyone went on their way. Once we returned to school, we all got called into the gym where the principal chewed everyone out for bad behavior for supposedly damaging the machine. Keep in mind too that the only things we had to do when we weren't doing the stuff planned by the school was basically walk within a given distance of the center and anything student brought with them. All the 4H stuff was locked away because they were closed for winter
Load More Replies...That's brilliant, lol. In my school there was one vending machine that would spill it's guts if you tilted it against the wall.
My mother was an elementary school teacher. For years the teachers' "be quiet" signal was holding up one hand in a peace sign. Well, the principal decided that this didn't have enough meaning and invented her own. At a staff meeting she explained that her new sign stood for "ears Listening, eyes Looking, lips Locked". She then made an "L" with her index finger and thumb and held it in front of her forehead. This principal didn't take criticism well, so none of the staff members were willing to tell her that she was making the Loser Sign. And so the new sign was taught to the children. Most of them made fun of it. Some of the more sensitive ones got upset by it. Overall it was a disaster and within a few weeks they went back to the peace sign.
At the first school I taught they implemented the 'be quiet' sign to raise your right arm. The German teacher refused. When questioned why he said, "What do you think it looks like when I, teaching German, with the door closed but the curtain open, raise my right arm in the air? Yeah, not gonna do that."
Load More Replies...A common thread through these is "boss doesn't take criticism or even basic feedback well"
Does anyone else know the "Schweigefuchs" (~ Silent fox)? You raise your right hand, put thumb, middle and ring finger together ("the fox closes its mouth") and let your index and the pinky point straight in the air ("the fox pricks its ears") to show the children that they should be quiet and listen now. This gesture did not exist when I was a kid, I only learned about it several years ago and found it quite cute!
Ha Ha! Good one! A new strict head of lower school (11 to 14 yrs) introduced a horrid Draconian isolation room for punishment. She named it 'Alternative Curriculum Environment'. Us lower workers were shocked as she bragged about her fantastic new ACE room. ACE, is usually used for Adverse Childhood Event and used to describe a traumatic experience. Asking deputies why they had not made this clear to her, one said - both terms fitm
I am the one who lives closest to work, so if the building alarm goes off overnight, I'm first on the list to get the call from the alarm company. It used to be that if we had good reason to believe the alarm was not an actual break in we could tell them not to summon the police and ignore the alarm. (I can access the building cameras from home. The most common alarm was the cleaning crew who were always messing up the disarming.)
Then a sister site ignored an alarm that turned out to be an actual break-in, and the facilities director decided that no matter what, if there was an alarm we should have the alarm company summon the police, then go to the building, get the police all clear, and re-set the alarm. This was a pain in the ass but rare enough and I lived literally 2 minutes away.
Then we contracted for the alarm company to come in and replace all of our panels and sensors. It was a nightmare process that ultimately ended up taking months, and the whole time there were phantom alarms, sometimes multiple times a night.
Each time I had to go out in the middle of the night, I'd prepare the required report, send it to the facilities director, and request to go back to the old process. Each time he said no, we couldn't afford to miss a potential real break-in.
After about three weeks of this nonsense, I was due for some time off. I was going out of town, and the protocol for that was for me to ignore calls from the alarm company so they moved to the next person on the list... which happened to be the facilities director.
In the five days I was off, I must have ignored at least four overnight calls that all would have gone to him next. Then suddenly, nothing. When I got back I was informed that for the duration of the alarm update, we just weren't going to arm the building at all.
So much for "can't afford to risk a break in!"
yup it's all fun and games till the boss has to do it. My policy with my team was to reward them for every false alarm they responded to.
It is amazing what managers will ask other people to endure but won't do themselves.
And this is why bosses should be forced to work the minimum wage positions in their company, even for a week. Maybe they'll realise something.
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Common practice. I was first on the call list for some time. One night the police called me and told me to come because they noticed some suspicious activity. When I got there, they wanted me to open the door and inspect the premises while they would follow me with drawn guns. Sure, who doesn't want to check for burglars with 4 armed and nervous idiots behind them?
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Load More Replies...A boss was worried we were "stealing time" by using the bathroom for too long. So being the nutjob he is he locked all the bathrooms in the building except the ones he could see from his office door, shut of water to them, put out of order signs on them, and he would sit there with a stopwatch timing us between walking into the restroom and walking out (these are all one-at-a-time restrooms) and then would call out the time. This was STUPID over the top and almost positive is illegal but he never made a policy officially restricting bathroom time... he just wanted to make everyone feel uncomfortable if they took too long. I discovered that with my height it was really easy to go through the drop ceiling and over the half wall and I was the only other person using the men's besides my boss, who is short... so I went in... locked it from the inside and did my business and climbed out the ceiling leaving the door locked so my boss could not get into the bathroom when he needed to go and was forced to use the ladies... which led to our female employees complaining that he was taking too long in their bathroom. To this day I don't know if he ever figured out how I was doing that.
What about someone who suffered from IBS? I have IBS. If I even get a thought that someone is monitoring me, it makes it worse, and it takes me EVEN LONGER. They started doing this at my last job, and I had to straight up quit!
Thank you for doing this obviously on behalf of the ladies. Thank you sir. I'm sure you had benefit, but, thank you.
Imagine what bosses like this are like during lockdowns. Although lots of us probably don't have to imagine.
I went to a strict catholic school with uniforms. The kids in 4th-8th grade had to wear belts until we got a new principal who made it mandatory for all the kids in the school to wear belts. Many bathroom accidents from kindergartners, 1st and 2nd graders later (and complaints from parents, of course) the principal rescinded her addition to the dress code.
More recently, this principal was fired for embezzling money from the school.
More difficult for a kindergarten student to remove it and pee in time
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i am even more surprised you could find a belt that fits 5~8 year olds?? do they even make them??
At my old school you could get suspended for most minor infractions. This included smoking. However if you were a witness to other people smoking then you would get suspended along with them. So this ended up with everyone constantly working together to hide the smokers at all cost otherwise just about everyone would be suspended.
We would have gone the opposite route at my school....the smokers would have stood somewhere public where we could all witness them so we could all be suspended and go home
Same here. Only the Goody two-shoes would have made sure to not looked/known.
Load More Replies..."You are suspended for having accidentally seen someone else smoking!"
One brave kid sparks-up in assembly, the whole school witnesses it, everyone gets time off!
If your rules cause a massive wave of students to not follow the lessons, something is really wrong with it
FFS, I graduated high school in 1978, and my school had a designated smoking area—-which had formerly been the “illegal” smoking area. Remember, I said I graduated in 1978. 43 years ago. Guess we—-and that includes the Silent Generation and early Boomers who were on the School Board back then—-were smarter and more pragmatic about s**t like this back in the day. And that’s a chilling thought.
I remember my brother wearing a skirt to school for a while when they changed the dress code so boys could no longer wear shorts.
We did this my senior year. They implemented the rule that boys couldn't wear shorts. We logically said then what about the girls wearing skirts. That was allowed, so all but a handful of guys all wore skirts to school...every. dang. day. It worked, they changed the rule.
At a university office I used to work at, we had a dress code of no blue jeans, because, with the office being located in the 2nd floor of an underpopulated downtown mall, OMG, on our breaks someone might see us IN JEANS!! (apparently it didn't occur to management that we could simply hide our university ID when out of the office.....). One of the supervisors liked her blue denim jumper dresses, and apparently this was OK because it wasn't JEANS. So I just went online and bought a blue denim skirt and wore it the first opportunity. My desk was right across the aisle from the manager and I got the stink eye the entire day every time I wore it. And she couldn't say anything because, being an ultra-liberal university , the non-discrimination policy covered crossdressers as a protected class.
My mother thought girls being forced to wear skirts, year round was dumb. When debating it with board people she pointed out that if girls were the "weaker sex" why was it that boys could wear long pants, even sweat pants. They shifted to the girls could wear pants under their skirts to school. We just forgot to remove them or forgot our skirts. Eventually the rules changed.
Every shift, there's a quota we need to fulfil. And then, even if you do fulfil it, you have to keep working until your 8 hours are up.
Cue everyone speeding for 4 hours, having a 3-hour lunch/coffee break, then slowly moving their ass for an hour. No rule about us taking necessary breaks if we're still capable of reaching the quota.
Now we're allowed to stop once we're done.
This is wrong. You don't get paid for lunch time and you don't get paid if you voluntarily go home early. When our assembly crew took their time reaching quota, quotas were raised.
I worked at Starbucks for like 5+ years before and during undergrad and at one point our district manager thought it was a good idea to implement a "just say yes" policy, where we literally weren't allowed to tell the customer no. Lasted for about 3 months and in that three months our unaccounted product and waste went up over 300% because when the POS didn't have a way to punch in a customer request we had to just do it anyways. We also got complaints from stores in surrounding districts because they had angry customers who were requesting things that were against local food service code, and told them that we did it for them at our store. I knew exactly how that policy was going to play out and I just laughed every time management was freaking out about the problems it was causing.
This nonsense is a result of having a menu that is too complex. If you reduce your selections then the customer can't make too many unreasonable demands.
But then I can't order a triple-choc cocoa lemon melon syrup madeupwordsochino with extra glitter and a fried egg on top! :( /s
Load More Replies...I take it you are referring to the Point Of Sale system and not the manager. ;-)
So the manager opened that Pandora’s Box. Bet it took forever to close it back down again. Give people an inch and they’ll take a hundred miles. The words I always hated to hear from some entitled asshole customer were “well, you did it before” or “they do it at ____ store”. So glad I don’t have to deal with that s**t anymore.
I want to know what people were ordering that was against food service code!
We had a similar policy when I worked at Koh's department store. We would have people who would bring back shoes that were clearly worn out and falling apart but we had to give them a refund because they wanted to return them. It was a nightmare!!!!
What's amazing is how often you hear about management making some obscenely bad decision, and suffering consequences -- but taking forever to change the policy back to something resembling sanity.
These managers gave never seen a karen. Or what about there being a creep harassing the workers? That should be avoided at a cost
I once had a Starbucks customer (not a regular) tell me to make his lattes 230F because he was taking them somewhere and was afraid they'd get cold otherwise. This was during "Just Say Yes" days (90s) but I did have to sadly inform him I could not bend the laws of thermodynamics and hand him cups of latte far above the boiling point.
At school, no going to bathroom during lunch...I think you can imagine how many teachers got mad about students always needing to go to the bathroom during class...
Btw the reason they made the rule was because someone stole a stall door during lunch so they thought that the students couldn’t be trusted. Idk how making them go in class could have possibly gone any better though
Fun fact; According the The Human Rights Convention, you are not allowed deny someone if they have to "go".
Stealing a stall door. So because of one crazy s**t, everyone had to pay
Same rule, but they dock your grades if you go during class (the standard is you have 3 freebies for the whole year, then after that they start docking). And the rule is still going on. RIP all the girls with periods.
THAT was my first thought too ... weird ... but then kids ...
Load More Replies...I graduated in the 80s. When I was in high school, it was a big damn deal if you had to go take a pee. Then when you were finally allowed to, a female security guard would peek at you through the space in the doors to make sure you weren't smoking. Don't even get me started on what it was like during grade school
In my middle school, we had the bathroom pass rule and only one student allowed out at a time. Once, I was feeling queasy and told the teacher I had to use the restroom for that reason. She said no because of that rule. I insisted and she said no again. I walked towards the small trash bin near the chalkboard at the front of the class and proceeded to hurl chunks, half of which got over the chalkboard. I looked at her and said "I told you I didn't feel good".
No more swipe cards to get in the building. From now on, it's going to be fingerprint sensors. That was 2 weeks before COVID-19 happenned
This would be a disaster for me. My devices don't recognize my fingerprint if I have been in the shower recently, if it's too hot or cold or whatever. I have to use pin more often than I get in with fingerprint.
I'm a hobbyist rock climber. My fingerprints basically get abrased every couple of days. I can unlock my phone by fingerprint about half the time...
Load More Replies...All our doors at work are fingerprint sensors. One of my colleagues doesn't have well-defined/visible fingerprints due to chemotherapy (I didn't know that happens) and she's always stuck somewhere behind a door that won't open for her.
My kids had this to sign in at their daycare, I ended up getting a pin because my finger would never scan. Also when finger print scanners first came out on phones I could never get it to work. My Google 4a works well though (makes me wonder if perhaps they lowered their "markers" standards...)
I had two jobs where they used finger scanners to log in and out of your shift. They were a pain in the a**e and always said unsuccessful or error (can't remember). Quite often it would take at least 5 tries. At one of the jobs everyone complained about it so they added on a pin number feature so you could either scan your finger or enter a pin.
They made our login clocks fingerprint only, a couple months before covid. Even without covid, what a great way to spread flu and various viruses through a population quickly.
Well, this one isn't really an issue, just disinfect the hand after you check in...
Uuuh, how is this a bad thing? Our ENTIRE campus fingerprint system (approx 300 Scanners) were retro-fitted with the UV beam that could nuke anything in 1-2 seconds. Also hand-free sanitizing sprays were fitted too, that you should use BEFORE using the fingerprint scanner, giving more than the 1-2 seconds for the UV to do it's thing. During the first (and worst lockdown) people we so scared, they'd sanitize for about 10 seconds before even using the scanner. Perfect solution.
One retailer I worked for, the front door was the only door that could be opened from outside. So of course, we get there one morning and the lock broke. Turn the key and nothing happens. You think corporate learned anything from the store not opening on time and having to deal with us breaking in and the resulting repairs? Nope. that was 26 years ago and to this day, every store still only has 1 door that can be entered from outside.
Not really a “rule,” but a change in policy. I used to work for a major beer distributor as a delivery driver. They decided to start using less glue in the packaging to save money. We’re talking a few cents per package. As a result, breakage during distribution increased drastically causing them to eat a lot more damaged product. It caused such a large loss in profit that they quickly changed course.
Wow. That plan wasn’t thought through at all! “We deal in breakable glass and spillable liquids.” “I know, let’s save money by making the packaging useless at preventing spills and breakage!”
Let's make a decision affecting our packaging without consulting the packaging engineers at all because we're high level executives and so everything we do is perfect.
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To make moving between classes more efficient, they had designated up and down stairways. But they didn't take into account that the stairs were located at the ends of the very long corridors , which meant it was impossible to get to your next class on time. Because of this, no one bothered trying to get to class on time and just blamed the stairway rule.
They don't teach that stuff anymore. Haven't you noticed? People walk wherever and however they want. Rules are only for losers apparently.
Load More Replies...I am guessing (but don't know) the guys who implement these rules are not the same ones as those responsible for fire safety. Every school I ever worked in had a policy of in the event of a fire alarm, calmly follow your teacher out by the nearest exit. C Ovid has lead to a lot more one way systems in schools, so a few extra drills to make sure everyone understands they do not apply while fire alarms are going off.
Load More Replies...Aaaah yes, I once walked BACK DOWN THE STAIRS and all the way around the building instead of using the stairs that were right next to my class when I WAS ALREADY UPSTAIRS
No more back packs or bags. Teachers were mad when you didn't have any supplies. What were we supposed to do stuff it all in our shirts or pants? Also as a girl yikes...they did not think that one through I can remember getting in trouble for carrying my purse when the rule initially took place, they eventually lightened it so we could carry small bags.
where was this? usa? I assume the reasoning is to stop people sneaking guns into school. I suppose you can solve it by banning guns you know...
But they have the right to bear arms. And now need bear strength to carry their stuff in their arms. Freedom is yes to guns, but no to back packs.
Load More Replies...So their goal was just to make everyone as miserable as possible for no reason?
Some schools in the US do this as a safety measure against shootings. Wouldn't be my first choice of solution, but the schools don't really have the power to fix it properly anyway. I dunno what the answer is, but anyway the smart money says it's not "no reason".
Load More Replies...They did this when I was in school as well. It started in middle school banning purses that were not clear. Then when we got to hs, we couldn't carry backpacks. Eventually, we got way more students than lockers and they had to do away with the backpack rule.
The fact that they ban backpacks in schools but not guns in general is really ridiculous
On the contrary, I'd HOPE they are banning guns. Just because they don't want people to bring them in doesn't mean they won't; that's exactly why measures such as the above are being taken. (Most aren't as dumb as this one, though)
Load More Replies...Small bags? That would not have worked with my old school, we had to carry so many heavy and big stuff
I have this at my school. My classes I need to bring the most stuff to are located as far away as possible from my locker. I just bring my backpack anyway and nobody really notices
I get and don't get this. For school safety, sure a transparent backpack makes sense un the USA. School supplied and discounted, mind you, designed to be waterproof and enough space for a day's worth of schooling and lunch. Privacy for girls and "Hygiene"? If every girl carried the allotted , say 7 tampons and 3 pads.... it would be funny for a day (boys being idiots and all)... and blow over forever. PS: i carry a pad and 3 tampons in my personal kit, as a man, a pad has worked on a nasty server-room cut, and a tampon has helped a bleeding nose after it hit an overhang, in another server room! A guy's tooth cracked right during lunch and came right out, enter tampon and pressure until the First-aid team came. Viva La feminine products. Also the wife and work together,she knows to just rumble though my work bag if she forgets to pack
Back in the early 00s, my high school implemented a policy that you had to wear your ID tag at all times. If you didn’t have it on, you were sent home. So many students “lost” their ID tag to go grab food or skip a class. We were the only graduating class to wear them all four years. The policy ended soon after.
We had similar policy at my high school! They made us show school ID to security guard at entering the building. Supposedly to prevent trespassers and monitor people potentially going out for a smoke... The problem was this school had TWO buildings and most language classes were in one of them, while other subjects were at the main building. Since every one was taking at least two foreign language classes, it created a lot of traffic in and out, every single period. New ID rule meant super long queue at the school entrance and many people routinely late for classes. And ofc smokers mixed with the crowd easily, making it impossible to determine who was going to other building for classes and who was coming back from a smoke 🤷♀️ Soon security started to just let people go to speed things up and ID rule, while never officially revoked, became a thing of the past.
If you wear socks that aren’t black you get sent home to change them and they mark you as present lol
Most people started wearing different color socks just to go home and chill, I actually miss high school lol
the policy, wearing the wrong socks, or missing high school?
Load More Replies...Just what is it with schools and banning colours? Should everything just be death and boredom?
I once saw an older (think Pierce Brosnan 2021) gentleman in business attire sit down in the same coffee shop. His pant legs rode up and revealed mis-matched avocado socks (brands here sell them like that on purpose). He looked fantastic!
I worked at a language teaching center where the lessons are pre-planned by the curriculum and on weekdays we often only have 2-3 hours of classes sporadically spread out through the afternoon/evening. The management were pretty chill when I started, and people just planned their lessons in bulk (which basically entailed checking your schedule and printing out the required unit/session worksheets) and just showed up 10 mins before to deliver the lesson. On weekends we'd have full 10 hour workdays. Apart from that we'd have the odd training session or faculty meeting but otherwise you could basically go home or go do whatever you wanted between lessons. All the provided apartments were within 10 mins walking distance of the center so this was pretty ideal. The nice managers left, and the new management were assholes who started scheduling mandatory 'office hours' where we had to be in the center with absolutely nothing to do. There'd be a 12:00 staff meeting and my next lesson would be at 4-6pm, and then 3 and a half bullshit 'office hours' in the middle. When we asked them what we should do they said 'think about your teaching methods'. Basically bullshit dickwaving. A bunch of the other teachers starting watching movies on the projectors in the spare classrooms, I brought in my Switch, some people would just straight up go nap on the beanbags in the reading nook. The thing was there was literally no busywork they could generate and soon it was apparent to everyone (especially prospective new students and parents) how unprofessional and awful it made the center look. The managers embarassingly just stopped scheduling and enforcing these office hours.
People who were caught wandering the halls or skipping classes were sent straight home.
When The University of Texas at Austin started allowing campus carry in 2016, a huge protest was organized among the student body called Cocks not Glocks where everybody was openly carrying dildos around for like a week or so. It didn't exactly "backfire" because the campus carry law is still in effect, but man that was a fun moment to be a student there.
Hold up, the State with the 2nd most school shootings allows students to carry firearms? Let me guess, 'sO tHeY cAn DeFeNd ThEmSeLvEs!'
not only that, I think it is illegal to "open carry" a dildo in the state. (Texas obscenity statute)
Load More Replies...In Las Vegas the fire departments had a policy that if someone called out and you covered their shift, you get paid overtime. Eventually ever firefighter at every department was trading shifts so that they were always making overtime. Went on unnoticed for over a year. It was a HUGE scandal and the ones in charge who let it go on and effectively cost the city millions had the book thrown at them hard.
In NYC, your NYPD pension is determined by what you earned in your last month of work. So for that month everyone "works" 168 per week.
BIL worked for Little Caesars in the late 80's early 90's. They had a policy that any pizza not picked up at closing could be taken for free by the closing employees. You know what's coming. Didn't take long for some of them to take a bathroom break about 30 minutes before closing and call in a bogus order. Then of course there it would be, hot and ready when they're ready to go home. Company changed their policy shortly after that.
This one is great. we had a no dating at work rule then the director started seeing someone and other people had their hidden relationships as well. that rule was nullified when the director announced his engagement and so about 6 other couples came out. we no longer have that rule, however people are to let the admin know of relationships now.
Is it an american thing? Because, I never saw or heard such rule in my country (Switzerland). And before dating app, it is know that 75% of couple are from professional environment (coworker, client,...)...
A lot of companies have this rule to prevent embarrassment, drama and favoritism. Things can get really nasty when 2 coworkers break up and still have to work together. Employers don't want that hassle from their employees.
Load More Replies...A lot of companies require relationships between staff members to be disclosed to avoid conflicts of interest. This is especially important if one person is a manager in a position over the other.
Load More Replies...Not mine, but an old roommate of mine was a senior developer for a small company. It was an open secret that one of the other senior devs, a guy who had been there since the beginning, would sometimes spend time looking at plastic surgery photos--before/after shots, photos of active procedures, etc. He did it enough that people would poke fun at him about it, but he didn't seem embarrassed about it, and it wasn't harming anyone. Well, one day a project manager said something to the CEO about this guy's ongoing plastic surgery obsession, and the CEO flipped. He said that, going forward, no one was allowed to use their work computers to access external websites AT ALL. Anyone who's ever been a developer knows that half the job is googling stuff, so this policy pretty much halted productivity in its tracks. It only lasted a day before the CEO retracted the rule, but let everyone know that their browser history would be monitored going forward. After that, no one really changed their behavior, they just started remotely accessing their home computers to browse instead.
"Anyone who's ever been a developer knows that half the job is googling stuff" Well.. that was true when I was a junior. Nowadays I just know my stuff.
Is it possible that if you run into something new you'd have to use Google? I don't think it's about seniority but about the specific job.
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Christian school, so there was always the morning prayer before classes started. Our principal decided that people who wouldn't get there on time (8am) for the prayer would stay outside for the first period. Literally backfired from the first days because basically everyone came in late and there were barely any students.
I went to a parochial school, which my husband calls "prison school." Started the day four days a week with religion class, church on Wednesdays, mandatory participation in choir, church on Sunday and were pressured into joining the Youth Group on Saturdays. During Monday morning attendance, when your name was called you had to stand up and say "Church, Sunday School, Both or Neither" to see if you were going to church when you should. God have mercy on your soul if you said "Neither." The teacher would grill you in front of the whole class as to why you didn't go, and wouldn't stop til the whole class was jeering you (encouraged by the teacher) and you ended up crying. And my parents wonder why I don't want to go to church anymore. This was a Lutheran school. It's where I learned to lie and bully
New IT contractor implemented monthly password updates and a long list of exclusions in the passwords (no recognizable words, multiple numbers/symbols, etc). When the CEO stopped by our branch, his first question was why everyone had a post it on their monitor with their current password.
yep. If you do this then people start making predictable systematic passwords, which lowers security. The policy that is CURRENTLY recommended is english / other language sentences (ie pass phrases). With spaces etc. "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" is 31 novemdecillion years according to howsecureismypassword.net. However, QWERT!@#$%, which LOOKS harder, would only take a computer 3 days to break.
Modern hacking software generates these combination of words, (just pull a dictionary and you only need to check a few billions of combinations as people will only select rather common words/phrases) so the chance of breaking these are in reality much higher than you would guess.
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Back in 2011, a company I worked for had the bright idea to block all social networks because, you know, employees should work instead of slacking off on Facebook.
I could write volumes of books on the toxic culture in that place, but the Owner/President who lived in a different country and visited about once every few months was universally feared by everyone and a few days before his arrival the whole building went into panic mode.
So a few weeks after the social network ban, his royal highness shows up, and 5 minutes later half of IT department is scrambling to his office. Apparently there was an issue with the Wifi, or at least that’s what he figured since he couldn’t log onto Facebook.
It was fixed in seconds.
A few years and three promotions later, I make a joke about it with him. Instead of a laugh, I get a confused look. Turns out he still thinks it was “some internet problem” since whoever decided to ban social networks didn’t have the balls to tell him about it after the incident.
At my job, you can't access social media on the work computers. But you can access them on your smartphones, using the work wifi, for some reason.
Company restricts router traffic; IT didn't set restrictions on wifi access. Maybe they know.
Load More Replies...Haven't had access to FB, youtube or even IMDB for quite a long time now, but BP works, reddit works and my company smartphone with company paid data works :) Stupid rules are stupid, if you want to lose time, you can do it.
Pretty sure last job left windows solitaire on company machines.
Load More Replies...Last company I worked for when socmed became a thing to waste your time on simply said "we don't block it, be reasonable so we don't have to". They never had to block it.
I’m a teacher at a middle school. The teachers in my grade level decided that we as an entire grade should make it a rule that students can not bring their laptop charges to school and charge their laptop. Yet we are not allowed to do paper work because of Covid. So I wrote on my board for my classroom “bring chargers to class” and then they hide them in their book bags so other teachers don’t catch them with it. All my students are turning in their work and having a great time In my classroom, but their laptops are dead in the other rooms. I told the teachers how stupid they are for getting angry over a bunch of cords. Who cares if it isn’t pretty. It’s necessary. We are in the middle of a Effing pandemic.
bizarre. I mean if you have any laptop with an intel processor it will last max 3-4 hours before it dies.
If this was America then the kids may have been forced to use out-dated school-issued laptops
Load More Replies...IT guys do not maintain private property for obvious liability and privacy reasons. Laptop cabinets can be useful, but not for private laptops that students take home every day. Not all students have brandnew laptops with batteries that last 8 hours so when you decide to switch to laptops, you must allow students to charge them at school.
Load More Replies...A place I used to work had a rule that executive-level staff needed to be contactable when on leave, so they had a section on the leave form for the address of where you'd be staying and a contact number. Some knuckle-shuffler in HR decided it applied to all staff and the shenanigans began. People would put down the address and phone number of sex shops, sports grounds, medical clinics. I gave the latitude and longitude of the place I was going camping and the UHF frequency channel my radio would be tuned to.
No one needs to know where I am when I'm on leave. In my last job I got paid an extra bonus to be on "stand by". But that was on a voluntary basis, and management knew no one would come flying back from Italy to reset a printer or push the caps lock button when the CEO had problems logging in.
My husband got a call for help from a colleague when we were on honeymoon. The call went to voicemail and was not replied to I was furious!
US Army is notorious for this. If you're going on leave they not only want to know where you're going (and with 2x forms of contact info) but if you're driving they want the route you will take to drive there (and back), and how much time you estimate you'll be on the road, and where /when you plan to stop for rest breaks f your driving exceeds a certain amount of time. . If you're flying then they want your flight info, and how you plan to get to the airport, and from the airport to your ultimate destination.
I once worked at an office where if you wanted a day off, you had to fill out a paper asking for that date off, which is fine. What wasn't fine was the line on the form that said, "Why do you want this day off?" If you answered honestly and the boss didn't think that was a good enough reason, then your day off was denied. I refused to put down why I wanted the day off. My time off the clock is MY TIME, not theirs to dictate
Control-freak Boss says : "All rescheduling of a lesson with a client should be run through a secretary, who will do the room reservation update, and keep me updated." Implicit threat : "If you let clients reschedule too easily, you are a worthless wimp that I don't want to work with." Old version: client contacts you directly, you work it out together quickly and inform the secretary of the new date/time so she can change the room reservation. Boom and done. New version: Secretary receives change request from client, but doesn't know your availabilities. Contacts you. Gets your availabilities. Sends them to client when she has time, because it's frankly a low priority for her. Clients eventually picks a date, and sends it back to the secretary, who sends it on to you, you send confirmation OR.....Calendars often have changed in the meantime due to new circumstances so.... Back-and-forth a few times before a new date/time is chosen. Secretary reserves the room for that time date. This chews up so much time that the secretary falls behind with her other work, slowing down the process, which increases the chance of a calendar change obliging another run-through. The new system lasted about four days. Then an overloaded secretary went on stress-related medical leave. The work-load was shared in equal parts between the other secretaries. So... three days later, another secretary went on stress-related sick leave. When the Boss tried to re-apportion the workload again, he got a immediate face-full of "WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?!" and the next-to-last secretary stormed out in tears to go on stress-related sick leave. The new system died right there and then. As the French say "When you chase away the easy way, it will come galloping back."
No. We don't say that. We have "when you chase away the natural (eg your tendencies that are part of your nature) it will come galloping back" and the sarcastic "why do simple when you can do complicated?".
Nope, that's not what the french idiom is - or means. "chassez le naturel, il revient au galop", is the equivalent of " a leopard cannot change its spots" = you can try to hide and pretend you are something else, but that won't stand long.
My school banned people from carrying their bags around during the day, so we had to rent lockers to keep our books in. One kid got around this and brought his books into school in a microwave, which he carried round for the day. He ‘left’ the school within the month
Renting out lockers under the pretence of safety. Us schools keep inventing ways to make education more expensive than it needs to be.
One way of going around it is by putting a belt around the books and carry them from the bit left
wow that is so pathetic. I assume again that this has to do with the gun paranoia. simple solution: ban guns. You know, a "constitutional amendment"? It's really possible. It's been done 27 times.
I think it was more about forcing locker rentals
Load More Replies...I work for a furniture store, the recently came out and said that everyone had to download a super invasive app and that it was 100% required. When they realized nobody was doing it they said that's fine but no cell phones allowed in the delivery vehicles. It's working great because if we can't find a place "oh well" it goes back, we're out and just fucking off? Can't call us and ask us where we're at because we don't have phones. Wanna send us on a really long store trip? No clue where that is. They refuse to get us a GPS and send us out to bumfuck who knows where.
2 places I've worked said no cell phones in delivery vehicles yet they admit the advantage of being able to contact the drivers at any given time. The drivers of course do carry their cells anyway. One of those companies even supplied us with the Nextel push to talk phones for a while but then cancelled the plan.
Students used to smoke in the toilets. So headmaster decided to lock all male toilets except one (5 places in one). Now my school had around 700 students, out of which around 300 were male. Everyone realised, that it became impossible to go to the toiket quickly. Result? Some guys went in one and pissed/defacated in all trash cans. A lot. No one found them, but all the other toilets opened up immediately
wow that is pathetic. Surely it's easy to tell who is smoking? you can just sniff them when they come back to class...?
When I was in elementary school, we had a stoplight in the cafeteria. It was green when we were the correct volume, yellow when we were getting too loud, and red if we were way too loud. If it turned red, we lost our post-lunch recess. Well whenever it turned red and we knew our recess was gone, we’d all just count down and keep yelling at the same time to see how many times we could turn it red
I was once denied recess because I was laughing too much at lunch. In first grade, we weren't allowed to leave the cafeteria until we took our empty milk carton to our teacher so she could shake it and make sure it was empty.
we had one of those... except when it whet red an alarm would sound and then everyone had to be absolutely quiet for the remainder of lunch. if you were caught talking you faced consequences that I've forgotten about, but it was probable detention or something like that.
My highschool had one big hallway that was in the shape of the outline of a square, with classrooms either side (there was a big courtyard in the middle). Because of this the hallway was just the one loop. A 'one way system' was introduced to prevent anarchy in the hallways, but this meant if you had your first class in classroom 1 and your second in classroom 16, which was just around the corner, you had to walk the long way around which would take forever. Teacher's however, didn't have to follow this rule, so students began walking behind teachers breaking the system when needed. When the teacher would turn around and go to tell the student off, they wouldn't be able to without sounding intensely hypocritical. Students would also do a few laps around the school before going into class and when caught would just blame the one way system forcing them to take ages.
Counter productive stupid ideas at their most obvious. Plus the hypocritical double standards are pathetic.
I would say zero tolerance. Before that kids would get in fights and one, maybe both get suspended. Today, kids get sent to the hospital because what's the point of going easy when you can best the shit out of a kid and have the same results?
When you punish the victim for being attacked and bullied, you're creating a environment where everyone beats everyone because it doesn't matter if you're the predator or the prey and the best defense is attack.
People were wasting time/hanging out in the bathroom during class. Solution? Only unlocking bathrooms in between classes (for a LUXURIOUS four minutes)! By the time the door was unlocked and the line queued up, 10-15 extra minutes of class time was lost. They had to allow students to use the restroom during class again- the horror! ETA- wow! Seems like my school was not the only one. I bet this is an American thing though.
I'd like to think they have exceptions to the backpack rule, but being America, I doubt it. There are kids due to physical disabilities, have to use a backpack because both arms are occupied with crutches for example. I wouldn't be surprised to find out the idiot schools would still ban them from using a backpack.
Load More Replies...Daycare started charging people for picking up their kids late.. As a results more kids were picked up late.. To the admins made it a lot more expensive Now it was a status symbol and even more kids were picked up late.
That's probably because the parents thought it was okay to pick up their kids late, because they payed for it. Moral culpability is much heavier than having a fine to pay.
Load More Replies...What kind of parent thinks not spending time with their child is a freaking “status symbol”? And who are these parents who are comparing notes on the size of their childcare bills?
The kind of people who think the Kardashians are important?
Load More Replies...Hopefully a percentage of those late fees are going to the daycare workers actually looking after the kids and not just directly to management.
When they started charging the parents, the parents just considered it their legal right to pick their kid up at their convenience. After all, they were paying for the extra time and they could prove to others parents that they were so important and busy that they were forced to pick their kids up later.
the people in the daycare are also humans that want to go home to their families. People who do not respect that are @$$h0les.
I don't know why you got down voted for that - it's true! You at least try your very best to be on time every day to pick up your child. Something unexpected that is out of your control can happen sporadically, but being late often just means you don't try hard enough to pick your kid up on time. And yes, daycare personnel are also people that want to go home after working hours.
Load More Replies...What sort of horrible parents use your daycare? Late pick up fees are pretty common near me. I've never heard if someone considering it a status symbol.
My workplace originally allowed 5 payed sick days and paid out a small bonus if employees had perfect attendance. They did away with the bonus now people treat the sick days like vacation days.
That's still plain stupid. If you have, say, a severe cold, you stay at home five days, then you're forced to go back to work whether cured or not, so if not, you infect everyone else, cascading into way more sick days then if they'd just leave it at your or your doctor's discretion on how long you should stay at home.
Someone pointed out that American employers really do not care how sick you are when you come to work, because they are equally uninterested in how sick your coworkers will become. After all, no matter how sick you are, when you've had your 5 paid sick days, you'll come to work anyway.
Load More Replies...Some companies make you "earn" sick leave, as in 1 day earned after/every four weeks. Sometimes you can only accrue so much, then use it or lose it.
My calculus teacher (happened to be my girlfriend’s mom but that’s another story) was a stickler when it came to being fully engaged in class so she banned all food and beverages except water. Unfortunately what she didn’t consider was that her class was right after the football and wrestling teams’ joint weight training session which resulted in 6-10 protein crazed athletes slamming down protein shakes and unreasonable amounts of meat immediately before class. As you may imagine this resulted in all of us getting the protein shits 30 minutes later and had to leave class to use the bathroom every single day. One day eventually she had enough and read us the riot act so my sorry ass had to go to my girlfriend’s house to look her mother/my strictest teacher in the eyes and explain that her no food policy was causing student-athletes to have violent protein shits during her class. To provide some closure here she was not a flexible woman but she was pragmatic, so once I put things in terms of letting us space out the eating to avoid 1/3 or her class disappearing for 15 minutes every day she relented. I stayed away from her house for a good two weeks afterwards though, just to be safe.
"violent protein shits" seems perfectly healthy (/s). I don't get this sports shake crap anyways, sounds absolutely disgusting, unneccessary and unhealthy to me.
Protein shakes are an excellent way to get low fat protein, especially important for athletes and senior citizens. If you get loose, change protein source. If you don't like the flavor, switch brands or add something. The protein shakes I use are tasty, mostly vanilla or chocolate, but two types have multiple flavors. I like the Peach Cobbler one best, but it's only 7 grams of protein.
Load More Replies...I may be way off base here, but did they absolutely *have to* eat meat and pound protein shakes? Most classrooms I know have a 'no food or drinks except water' rule.
No, they do not have to "slam down" protein shakes and meat immediately after weightlifting. It is BS invented by social media influencers who don't understand metabolism.
Load More Replies...Fatty protein like meat or intolerance of dairy or soy.
Load More Replies...Shockingly there are people commenting that it's not necessary to ingest protein after a workout. Except it is and it has everything to do with how the body develops muscle on top of existing muscle. Exercise (especially weight training) damages the muscle and requires protein to heal it which in turn adds to musculature; you don't want the body taking protein from elsewhere in the body so the best method is to ingest protein shakes and/or quantities of meat to aid the healing process. This is NOT influencer BS, it's science.
It is a good idea to ingest protein, however there is not a need to throw down enough to give you diarrhoea immediately after a workout.
Load More Replies...My HS had a smoking in the bathroom problem and to solve it, rather than having a teacher outside the restrooms during hall time, they locked all the bathrooms except one. This made it so you had to wait in a stupid long line with 1200 other students trying to use 3 stalls for each gender in the 10 mins between classes. During class time they had the assistant principal sit outside the one open bathroom and they would check your ID and sign you IN and OUT and only 1 student in at a time. Major health code violation Kids would be holding it all day. Girls on their cycle needed the restroom and would often have to get a pass from class to go use the restroom bc the lines were too long during breaks. Smokers still smoked in the gym lockerooms during changing time. This rule didnt solve anything but made it very unhygienic and rather annoying to just use the restroom.
again, stupid conservatives who do not understand the problem. It's about teenage identity. Create a useful outlet instead. Iceland implemented phys ed classes to resolve bad behaviour issues. Find something that appeals.
Yeah because going to the restroom is really bad behaviour ;p No, I know you mean the children smoking
Load More Replies...No cellphones while on duty or instant dismissal. But now I frequently use my personal for work purposes and receive calls all throughout the day from superiors. They tried to fight the age of technology.
We had a no personal phones policy brought in, just at the same time my dept was asked to take pictures of all our product as it was packed; for photographic evidence prior to shipping. No camera was given to the department and for a few days I used my own phone. One ear-bashing later I stopped using my phone and my collegues didn't ship anything. The result was us being given a camera to use (problem solved) only for IT to stop memory cards being read on the PC. We now have a growing collection of memory cards no-one can access.
My daughters high school have a one way movement policy. So all pupil traffic walks one way around the entire school. So if she comes out of one classroom and her next classroom is literally one door back, they can’t walk the 5 meters to that door. She has to walk around the entire school, including up and down three flights of stairs. FOR EVERY BLOODY LESSON!!! And then they get disciplined if they’re late. Imagine how high the anxiety was on the day they all started at the school and didn’t have a clue where they were going for any class! And imagine if they went around the entire school, only to mistakenly miss the door - they have to start the process again!
Since this is written by the parent, they could have confronted the school with their idiotic policy and demand a better way to handle the traffic in the school. Like instead of students changing classrooms, let teachers change the room. Not many courses need a special class room.
Halfway through the school year the school banned bookbags from classrooms. "school safety" thing. this caused students to show up late to class regularly, as many classes required us to bring school assigned textbooks every day, along with supplies, binders, etc. that year the school had record high tardiness, along with record low attendance, since students decided to just skip instead of showing up to class late.
this is the third post about this. BAN GUNS amurikkka. It is much simpler than having kids living in fear of their lives. Sincerely, the rest of the planet, which is sane by comparison.
You should dig a bit deeper into the 2nd amendment, the NRA and how laws restricting guns are blocked but laws designed to pump up gun sales are pushed. This gun craze is not the choice of sane American citizens. It's a strategy developed by gun manufacturers which has led to a gun race where people are forced to carry guns if they don't want to be shot because some psycho exercises his right to "stand their ground."
Load More Replies...I have this except they only want you to and not require it so I just never follow it
The dealership I was working at decided they wanted to save money by not having the cleaning crew come in after hours. People started leaving the dealership to go home to go to the bathroom because they were disgusting. I lived pretty far away so I would just go use the GMs private bathroom.
Self defeating policy. I wonder if some managers are brain dead or just live in a parallel dimension to the rest of us.
I'm sure they expected the employees to keep it clean. I've worked places where it was part of the closing tasks for employees to clean the store including the bathrooms and break area. It wasn't disgusting but it was sure a far cry from the cleanliness you'd find in their own home.
In chemistry class we had plastic bottles of distilled water which could be squeezed to produce a small jet of water. We used to spray one another’s crotches to make it look like you’d peed yourself. To counter this, our teacher introduced a punishment to anyone caught spraying OR HAVING BEEN SPRAYED. Hence, if you could spray someone and get away with it- they would have wet trousers AND have to write excerpts from a Martin Luther king speech. Needless to say the punishment for being sprayed was quickly abolished.
What do you call a teacher who punishes the victims? Another bully.
Actually you call them a teacher because all of them do it
Load More Replies...I worked as a carpet cleaner and we weren't allowed to clean anything with moisture already there. We had these moisture meters that were super sensitive (they would go off from the steam accumulated on the top of a pizza box or from touching your hand) so if we didn't want to do a job we'd test the living hell out of their carpet. Sometimes it'd go off and we could go fuck off and do something else. But I heard stories of guys doing fake readings by touching the probes with their fingers as they poke the carpets to set them off. I never did that, but I completely understand the desire to.
why not clean something that is damp already? what does the problem represent?
I can only guess, but I would say maybe because you don't know what the liquid is. It could be some kind of hazardous material
Load More Replies...Why work as a carpet cleaner and then do everything you can to get out of doing said work?
Get paid to work hard, or get paid to do nothing at all. Take your pick
Load More Replies...in middle school my school system decided to switch over to a system with id cards (they were basically cheap lanyards with an id badge). first of all, the whole point of the id cards were to get in and out of the school, "eliminate school shooters," and buy lunches. our school system didn't have enough money at the time to actually buy the scanners because they didn't realize how much just the ids themselves would cost. so we ended up all getting issued id badges that had no use and we were required to wear them. after a while, this started to get old and kids would have "badge fights" at recess. getting slapped by an id card is more painful than you may think. the last straw was when just about everyone began hanging them in this one tree in the courtyard and eventually kids also began posting pictures of their ids on instagram and snapchat.... the principal loved that.
omfg. You have ID cards to eliminate school shooters??? you know what else would eliminate them? BAN GUNS. Provide free mental healthcare. You know, like NORMAL fing counties. Jesus.
Unfortunately it’s very very difficult to change something written in the Bill of Rights…and I agree that guns should be banned but I also think they should still be allowed as self defense at home.
Load More Replies...Fact: Most of the school shooters were students at the schools where they had their murder spree. How is an ID card or schoolpass an effective line of defense against a disgruntled or psychopathic student?
In my highschool if you were late for a class they would not let you in the door. They would send you to the "tardy center" to get a "tardy pass." You get so many of those and you were assigned detention or Saturday school. But, while you were going to collect your pass was also the time in which they took attendance. Not being there, you would be marked absent. The attendance was recorded on scantron cards, placed on a clip outside the classroom, and was picked up early in the period by a member of student government who took it to the office for processing. They would then rectify the attendance records with those of the tardy center and, if you had checked in with the tardy center, your attendance was counted. So, if you were late to class you might as well not bother going.
Assigned lunch tables every one would not stop arguing
Because misery is mandatory in school. Hanging out with friends? Unacceptable!
This is the most moronic list of rules I have ever seen. The short summary is: do not poop, do not use your cellphone or laptop, walk in single file on one side of the corridor, keep quiet, wear monastic clothing, wear IDs, do not carry a bag in case it has a gun in it. These rules are ALL a product of a militarised conservative society. They are all quite familiar. When we were under apartheid, apart from the no bags thing, we had similar rules. Why ? Because we were an actual militarised POLICE STATE. Jesus christ america please come into the 1990s. At least the 1990s. We are in 2021, but maybe if you can just exit the 1980s and enter the 1990s, things will get better.
I'm having trouble with the notion that toilets are a luxury not a necessity. And no, it isn't an American thing, my goddaughter had exactly the same ridiculous problem in Stoke on Trent.
If stupid rules harm you, dispute them. If they harm the tyrannical moron who implemented them, just let them backfire.
For no. 7 I've to say that was a very generous rule to begin with. The author was a complete d******d by abusing it
After prom school tried to make a rule about girl's shoes for graduation. I said no you should have made the rule before prom so we could plan on one pair of shoes for both. Heavy sigh from student coordinator well what shoes do you have? I said all of them. This isn't about me this is about anyone who can't afford more shoes and doesn't want to make a fuss. They threw out the rule.
This is the most moronic list of rules I have ever seen. The short summary is: do not poop, do not use your cellphone or laptop, walk in single file on one side of the corridor, keep quiet, wear monastic clothing, wear IDs, do not carry a bag in case it has a gun in it. These rules are ALL a product of a militarised conservative society. They are all quite familiar. When we were under apartheid, apart from the no bags thing, we had similar rules. Why ? Because we were an actual militarised POLICE STATE. Jesus christ america please come into the 1990s. At least the 1990s. We are in 2021, but maybe if you can just exit the 1980s and enter the 1990s, things will get better.
I'm having trouble with the notion that toilets are a luxury not a necessity. And no, it isn't an American thing, my goddaughter had exactly the same ridiculous problem in Stoke on Trent.
If stupid rules harm you, dispute them. If they harm the tyrannical moron who implemented them, just let them backfire.
For no. 7 I've to say that was a very generous rule to begin with. The author was a complete d******d by abusing it
After prom school tried to make a rule about girl's shoes for graduation. I said no you should have made the rule before prom so we could plan on one pair of shoes for both. Heavy sigh from student coordinator well what shoes do you have? I said all of them. This isn't about me this is about anyone who can't afford more shoes and doesn't want to make a fuss. They threw out the rule.
