People Share Unrealistic Requirements They’ve Encountered When Trying To Find A Job, Here Are 30 Of The Most Ridiculous (New Pics)
What do job hunting and being chased through the streets by zombies have in common? They’re both nightmares. But job hunting might actually be worse because it’s something we still have to face after waking up. It's stressful enough in its own right, but communicating with frustrating recruiters and hiring managers can make the process so much worse. Thankfully, those of us who have encountered terrible recruiters have a space where we can share those stories: the Recruiting Hell subreddit. We’ve gone through to find some of the most ridiculous stories of unrealistic expectations and unprofessional emails from recruiters, so we hope as you read them you don't relate too much to the pain these job hunters have experienced. Enjoy this list, and if you're not too heated by the end, go on to check out Bored Panda’s last publication on the same topic right here next.
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As An Autistic Person, I Despise Everything About This!
I feel this and i dont have autism. The hiring process rewards extroversion and being a smooth talker above all else. So i cant imagine how shitty it is for folks with autism.
Yes. I've seen extroverts with the work ability of a chimp get promoted ahead of me because they know how to talk the talk. Meanwhile, I just get work done but no one notices.
Load More Replies...I feel so seen! Have lost so many opportunities because of this. The only jobs I can get are assistant jobs. I hate it! I'm not good with people and I am not a natural care-giver, or conversationalist. Give me tasks, hard or menial tasks and I will crush them. Wish I could find help.
My 2nd last interview I felt so uncomfortable and nervous I couldn't look at her when I was speaking. I was aware of it and told her I wasn't comfortable with direct eye contact. I thought it was social anxiety until my last interview where I felt more comfortable with the interviewer and was able to look in her direction. Now I know my own subconscious signs of when I should just quit the interview.
Apllying for a job is hell, full stop. It is not only if you are autistic it is tormenting, you just have to be a human to experience a lot of what you describe. What most employers are after, simply does not exist, or they are looking for the one in a million person. Furthermore they are rarely aware of exactly what they need, and instead they just write a jobproposal filled with all kinds of fancy buzzwords, so it will be hard to tell exactly what they expect of you. One example is "extrovert" wich you often see in the job proposals. Never ever have I seen the word introverted in there, despite it will the type of personality that is far better suited for many jobs like engineering or accountace and so forth. But no, we all have to pretent to be extroverted, because that is what makes a good impression at the interview.
Negative encounters with hiring managers are an unfortunately common occurrence, as the Recruiting Hell subreddit has amassed 285k members over the last 6 years. With the tagline “we’ll pay you in experience!”, the community states that it’s “for all of those recruiters and candidates who really don’t get it” and asks members to post their “horror stories” and “amazing” job offers. There are various issues that prospective employees often have with recruiters, but it appears that the nature of the job itself does not serve those being recruited.
According to Brandon Savage, a full time consultant and blogger, a recruiter is the “nemesis of job searching”. Savage explains on his blog that recruiters are typically paid based on how many people they place and how high the salaries of those positions are. This means that since they’re essentially working on commission, they often have very little knowledge of the positions they’re hiring for and are willing to do or say whatever is necessary to fill roles.
I Ran Into One Today
I've never understood why a gap on a resume is a bad thing. I have a two year gap where I was laid off before I found a new job. How is that a bad thing? Jobs are hard to get and I work in a niche field. Also, I did a lot of small part-time stuff but I'm not gonna list it all.
That amount of time looking for work is a reality, especially now. The pandemic and lockdown changed all the rules about how employers should look at resume gaps. What I’m finding is the two years has put me into another decade, age wise, and I’m encountering ageism because of it All. The. Damn. Time.
Load More Replies...Question: Do people make up stories on LinkedIn? Because this sounds like it could be one.
LinkedIn is full of self-aggrandizing drivel like this.
Load More Replies...Resume gaps are absolutely none of anybody's business. Why does it matter to you what I was doing with my life before you ever met me?
His resume gap is none of your business and should not be even mentioned. If someone has the means to take a year off and they want to then they should be able to without having to explain why.
Gap on my cv - none of your business pal - I’ll do what I want, when I want!! If I want 6 months off I will literally walk out of a job if I need to!!! It’s called a choice
As an employer it isn't the gap so much as how you explain the why's and the length of the gap.
Why? Why can't someone take a year off work and do nothing? Why does it have to be "explained"? It's none of anyones business! If they want a job, they want a job! If they've got the qualifications etc why can't they have the job?!?!
Load More Replies...I don't get why resume gaps are an issue. I interview a lot of people and I have never asked someone to explain a gap.
I find that most with a *gap* are desperate to tell you why it's there. I don't ask during interviews, yet I find so many candidates want to let you know what they were doing in an attempt to reassure you they were not wasting time.
Load More Replies...I'm sure it hurt him to tell you, but so glad he did, and that you got so much out of it.
Can I Get A Second To The Motion?
Be sure to put them on hold at some point so they can hear the gawdawful hold noise everyone has to listen to.
Make them wait two months for a reply—-that they decided to hire from within instead.
And then they decline the offer to make the interviewer more likely to be nicer towards future interviewees.
And to see if they're even eligible for any of the job at their own company
More. They should be required to work for & (try) to live on minimum wage for a year.
Alaska Airlines makes the members of their board of directors eat airline food at every meeting. Serves 'em right...
Now, let’s not demonize every hiring manager and recruiter out there. I’m sure plenty of people have had smooth and positive experiences job hunting. Brandon notes in his blog that if a company has an in-house recruiter, “working with them is perfectly fine and normal”. When contacted by someone about an opening, Brandon recommends checking that person’s email address to see if it’s connected to the company you’re interested in working for.
He also warns job hunters to be wary of any uninvited solicitations from recruiters. If you’re contacted, out of the blue, by someone who compliments you on your skills and pitches another position to you, they're likely just looking for commission. If you're actually interested in the role, you can submit your resume the old fashion way and you're likely to have just as much luck. Don't give a misleading recruiter the satisfaction of making a profit off of you.
A Story Of Two Parts, Recruiter Edition
It was the wet wipe that got me as well!
Load More Replies...why does this recruiter even care? tattle-tailing for no reason. what a dildo.
I will try it on social media too (I speak french). PS: "lingette humide"
Load More Replies...Funny How The Language Changes Between People And Businesses
But even dogs bark and bite if you mistreat them.
Load More Replies...Thing is, that’s not really profit, it’s just cutting back and reducing your spending. Hell, everyone tightens the belt once in a while, in order to free up money for important stuff. But we loosen it when things get better—-oddly, when a corporation does it, they don’t loosen the belt when things get better, they just call it record profits, even though it’s not. Real profit is when you have a full staff that you pay what they’re worth and give not only merit raises but cost of living raises too (until Reagan, companies did give yearly raises that matched cost of living increases), everything’s covered and is running smoothly, and you sell a big enough fuckton of your product to be comfortably in the black—-without slashing your overhead to do so. Having to cut everything down to the bone in order to cross from red to black is false profit.
It's like that in every authoritarian system. Robbing the country and murdering your own citizens for profit and fun is good - resisting getting robbed or murdered or helping to rob and murder your fellow citizens is evil.
This Should Be Mandatory Training For All Interviewers
Wow. Pretty much the only way I'd judge a candidate in under 60 seconds is if they showed up with a machete and a hand grenade. Then again, I work in graphic design, so what do I know about other job requirements? On the other hand, my colleagues are pretty decent, so sarcasm is as much weaponry as one needs in my office.
"Sir, why are you covered in blood and have a roll of duct tape & shovel."_____ "Sorry, hit a deer & had to put it out of its misery, then felt so bad I needed to bury it. But it wouldn't fit in the hole so I had to tape its legs together."
Load More Replies...Do not forget ageism. Just because I’m 61 dies not mean I can afford to retire. I missed the boomer gravy train, and have worked jobs that didn’t pay enough to put aside much. Then I went back to school, when I was much older, to get a degree that would put me in line for promotions, and the pandemic hit. So now I’m facing ageism at a time when I share the millennials’ problem of student loans to pay back—-and I no longer have a whole lifetime ahead of me to do so. I’m trying to start my own company, since no one seems to want to even give me an interview, but you know it takes time before it’ll really take off. So I’m pretty much f****d for retiring, and will be working until I drop dead.
I hope things get better for you, Kathryn! You are just as valuable as everyone else!
Load More Replies...Totally true, I have been in to a number of interviews where someone has immediately looked me up and down and I know their exact thought is, she's lazy cause she's fat and I didn't get those jobs. Ones where they actually took time to get to know me during the interview, I have succeeded in and been with my company now for 15 years and progressed quite rapidly because I work damn hard.
This is exactly why people need to tell their biases to STFU and let the interview proceed. A few Christmases past, I told two elementary-school nephews about fat people who've been wonderful to me (the mentor at work, the good friend, etc.). I don't want them to judge people on their physical weight. I told them character is what counts.
Load More Replies...Don't make this just about race. There is also age, gender, and disability discrimination. I have heard interviewers comment afterwards about knowing a candidate would not advance because they "just didn't like their look".
My current boss (who started after me), was one of those older generation, "Old boys club", stereotype 1970-1990's CEO types. He later admitted to me, 'If I'd been the one to interview you, I would never have given you a job. A big, hairy, scary looking bloke with tattoos... It wouldn't have mattered what you said, I wouldn't have given you the job'. He did also say that it would have been the biggest mistake, but he wouldn't have known it, and it made him realise that sometimes you never know what you've lost so will never learn. Now he gives everyone a chance and even calls some of them if he thinks they were just too nervous and gives them an opportunity to go over things on the phone. You can teach an old dog new tricks!
I’ve ruled people out after sixty seconds but they have to be exceptionally awful. Like a sexist remark during the small talk on the way to the room or wearing a t-shirt with an obnoxious saying to an office job.
I have judged candidates in under 60 seconds of seeing them, but ofcourse did have the interview, hoping my first impressions were wrong. This was entry level servicedesk job and they worked at the same company as me, they were mostly students. Posture, way of dressing, handshake, general body language. They would have to be socially skilled and be able to deal with clients on the phone. Some guys were just buy fit for that. Great techs, smart people, but socially a bit awkward. Not fit a first contact position.
I've judged SOME people before they even showed up for the interview, because being an arrogant a**e to the person who might hire you when they call you back to make out an appointment, or being very late without calling, or handing in a CV that looks like Hagrid just sat on it, is just something I don't like. I'm very glad to have switched to a nice, work-from-home job where I barely have to spend much time with anyone outside my team.
Load More Replies...I googled my candidates, if they didn't come up with any recent or serious convictions, then I would interview them. Found one guy who claimed he worked in his sister's cafe, when he had just been released from prison for fraud in the industry he was applying to work in. He didn't get hired!
I think you can judge peoples' character once you have had enough experience in life. Looking past their weight, race, height, etc., you can see certain things, like how they stand etc. There's an art to body-language reading. And depending on the job, some people are better suited to this or that. I met an introverted guy once who had great fake confidence body language. He is really good in sales, but totally introverted. Another woman I met in an interview wasn't that great in her CV but confident as a person, and as an employee she worked out great. You place people where they want to be.
Even when you’re not dealing with an outside recruiter, it is common to encounter unrealistic expectations in job postings. In her piece for Forbes “Why So Many Job Postings Are So Ridiculous”, career coach Nancy Collamer provides this example: “Progressive employer seeks Harvard-trained neuroscientist and beauty pageant winner. Must be fluent in Mandarin and skilled at tribal basket weaving. Minimum of 10 years experience working for high-tech companies. Salary: mid-30’s.”
While that’s an obvious exaggeration, many job postings might as well say that when they ask for laughable skills and levels of experience for puny salaries in return. Nancy lists several reasons why postings like this somehow make their way to the internet, including that the employer is inexperienced at hiring and they just don’t know better. She notes that in many companies, particularly small ones, hiring can get passed off to people who have no experience (and no business) writing job descriptions.
Hey Recruiters, Answer Me This!
Related experience or direct? Because if experience matters so much, why aren’t they even looking at resumes of older applicants? Oh, I do know. They’re looking for young, green, and fresh out of college, so a real cheap bargain—-who they won’t even train for the specific skills the company requires. Remember when they were promoting the idea that the real go-getters created their own jobs in their companies? Or the trend of letting new employees train themselves—-or just ask if there was anything they needed to know? I had one try the latter. My response was that was their job to tell me what I needed to know. That I was new to the industry and didn’t know what I needed to know. A later one kept talking about the concept of the industry during training. I said I already understood the concept, I needed to know the mechanics, like training on using their program so I can jump in and start working with it. Companies need to get their heads out of their asses, cut out all the b******t they’ve peddled since 1980, and come back into the real world.
Load More Replies...A job without pay listed is about as appealing as any item for sale that says ‘Call for price’..
One of the biggest red flags of recruitment of all time... "competitive salary"...
I don't even know what "competitive salary" means. I get a feeling that just means commission sales where you're competing with the other sales people.
"Competitive"? Not 'Leading', 'one of the best', or even 'above average'. In a race of 10 people "competitive' would count for positions 6-10 so long as last place was within sight of a medal.
This, can't tell you the number of times I've applied someplace and they don't even give a range. Benefits are nice, but if the wage can't pay my bills then what's the point?
Got An Email From A Recruiter Today. I Was Interested Until They Disclosed The Pay. It’s Seriously Insultingly Low For The Role And Requirements. So I Told Them Just That Over Email
The response is excellent; The result is that corporations attach such responses to documentation to justify offshoring our jobs. I do understand the dilemma, just that corporations just don't give a s**t. Strange that entities ineligible to vote control the politicians whom we VOTE for. We, the people, NEED to take this power back from these non-voting entities. Simply put, these entities have replaced the Kings and Queens of old.
As someone who has been in SW development for 25+ years, I get a crapton of recruiter emails on LinkedIn. About 25% of them include the salary range up front. Which is sad, but it has been increasing over the years (the percentage, that is). It's a start, but ultimately ALL emails need to contain the salary range, and stop wasting people's time.
Hiring managers need to get their heads out of their asses and start dancing to the NEW beat!
4+ Years Of Experience In A 2 Year Old Technology
I would go for an interview just for the fun of it if I created that thing 😅
And make sure to include absolute proof that you created it, with the actual date of creation!
Load More Replies...First you'd have to successfully explain how software works to ignorant and uncaring HR people and executives
Perhaps the development time of the API can count towards the 4 years of required experience!
I once applied for a job that "needed" 5 years experience supporting Windows 10... when Windows 10 had only been out just, almost exactly, 4 years, I applied stating "as I was in a Microsoft partnership that did beta testing of Windows 10 from day one I have 4 years and 8 months experience" didn't get the job... maybe they thought I was being snarky ... no idea who they did get apart from that they were probably a lier.
So if you created it 1.5 years ago how could anyone have 4+ years experience
That's the point. It happens all of the time in tech (where creation/invention dates are much more recent) where HR posts they want X years of experience in a field that's only been around a couple of years.
Load More Replies...Another reason you might find unrealistic job postings is because an employer is willing to wait for the perfect candidate, regardless of whether or not they actually exist. There’s no problem with wanting to hire the best person for a position, but having a wish list with too many unattainable qualifications can actually deter candidates from applying in the first place. Nancy notes that these could also be “phantom postings”. These are created when companies are obligated to post open positions publicly, but they already know they want to hire someone inside the office. With an over-the-top job description, outsiders are less likely to apply, and the favored candidate on the inside will have an advantage. Phantom postings are a huge waste of everyone’s time, but unfortunately, they do happen.
That Backfired Spectacularly
This is why, when we didn't post the salary in the job listing (that has changed), I would open up the conversation by telling the applicant the hours and the salary. Then they were free to leave if those things didn't suit them.
As you should. I never understood why they think it benefits them to not post the pay. It’s a waste of time for everyone including themselves.
Load More Replies...My last job told me if I could find another job to pay me what I believed I was worth, I knew where the door was. After 7 damned years. When I turned in my 2 week's notice, they had the GALL to look shocked & betrayed. Told them I found the door.
Interviews should be 2 way: not only for an applicant, but also for the potential employer to show that the company is worthy of the applicant — particularly if the company doesn’t the job to be seen as interim.
They have your number, if they want you they'll raise the salary and call you
We Don’t Count Internships As Experience Here, So Let’s Just Forget All Of That
It constantly amazes me the lengths that companies go to drive away any potential good employees.
"We won't hire you without experience. Only internships take people without experience." "We don't count internships as experience." Also, unpaid internships, unless you're getting school credit for them, are technically against the law in the US--unpaid labor is not allowed. They should be called "volunteers" not "interns."
I've heard plenty of people say "you should include things like you hobbies" on resumes. I've never had anyone count it as experience, or even a plus. It seems like hiring companies do everything they can to discredit experience you have. I had a company doubt my coding ability, so they showed me code and I explained what it was doing line by line. They admitted I was right. They still acted like I didn't know what I was talking about.
It didn't. Just as the years were the same as the years they were in college, the recruiter thought that it could not be anything but internship because who works during their college years (sarcasm)
Load More Replies...Interesting considering that businesses take on (often without pay, as I understand it) interns as experience builders. Sounds like they really just wanted slaves.
Thats nice. Their IQ isnt high enougj for them to comprehend me so I cant be their lackey
People Are Human And Human Things Happen
10 years ago, I had spotty employment, with the longest stint at a job 1 year. The rest of the time I was a stay at home mom and job searching, while my common law husband was working. Staying at home and caring for a child raises so many eyebrows, like I had spent years in prison or something bad. It felt as if they thought I was a welfare mom, because I looked so young, even though that was not the case at all. No one should have to explain themselves. You already have to tick off on the application whether you've been convicted of a crime or not, and maybe provide a criminal record/child abuse registry check. Anything else is not their concern.
That’s admirable! I’m sorry you were made to feel ashamed :( you sound like you’ve got a solid head on your shoulders though!
Load More Replies...To play devil's advocate, it's a valid question because an employer needs to know if it's going to be worth investing the time training you and you're reliable if you haven't been able to keep a job for at least a year. Training can be a lot of work just to have it wasted on someone we trusted wanted the job and then left. A large gap is actually better because, clearly, something happened there. It's small gaps that are more concerning. Using this woman's example, I absolutely wouldn't hire her. I'm not putting in all that work because you need to 'prioritize me.' Well that's nice, but clearly you couldn't do that for long because you got another job and quit within a year. Twice. So, it is our business and, really, it's not our loss since looking at your history, we wouldn't have had you long anyway.
It's not the gaps themselves that matter; it's the length of time at previous positions.
Load More Replies...I understand your indignation, but you are potentially competing with people that DIDN"T take 8-10 years away from the skills they are hiring for. Despite the reasons, you are NOT as qualified as them. (cue angry groans)...You go into the doctors, you need say, knee surgery. "Doctor, it's been 10 years since I did any kind of surgery, but I'm fully qualified", or do you go to the guy that has repaired 150 knees in the past 10 years? to extreme? "I repaired a collapsing chimney once 10 years ago, it'll be fine" vs. "Chimney pros, we fix em every week, and know your area better than most"....so, while it might be "none of their business", it matters to them, if they are going to go out on a limb for you, they want to know if it's worth the risk...not all jobs are like this of course.
All this tells me is that the candidate is unreliable and will get defensive if she doesn't get time off to prioritize herself or her family. We'd all like time off to prioritize ourselves and our families. I get that gaps happen, but she has a lot and some of those explanations don't do her any favors, they just make her sound entitled.
If it's a gap that means she wasn't employed, so it's not like taking vacation time off. Plenty of hardworking people decided being home was better for themselves and their families in 2020-2021! And interesting that you think her explanations sound entitled, while her whole (perfectly reasonable) point is that she doesn't owe a potential employer an explanation at all.
Load More Replies...I understand people think that gaps shouldn’t matter but for a recruiter if they are getting hundreds of applications gaps stand out - but it’s not always a bad thing. Often what you did whilst out of work can stand out… taking a year out to care for someone shows a caring nature…maybe you went back to school to better yourself…maybe you took time out to start a family and are looking to get back into work. We kinda just want to check those gaps weren’t just sat doing nothing, criminal activities etc
I was diagnosed with childhood brain cancer in August 2013, eventually had to have chemotherapy from August 2017-November 2018, and was diagnosed with epilepsy in May 2020, and my grandmother passed away (peacefully, and she is religious) earlier this year. And I’m only 18.
I think asking what is in the gap year is different with simple let go people with gap year in their resume. I have been a recruiter for some time. I know that it is a bit personal to ask... But in order to know well a person, that is a logical thing to be check.. If you reason is normal.. like when you just spend sometime traveling in africa.. then it is okay.. or even better if your reason is tend to your parent, then we could say that you are a person with a good hearth..
Gaps in employment have zero bearing on a person's ability to do their job. And yet employers hold it against people.
It's not about the ability to do the job; it's about the ability to STAY at the job. I don't want to hire and train someone who has no intention of staying. Gaps are not necessarily the problem, either. You need to take a year off to go travel-that's actually really interesting to me as an employer. But MULTIPLE gaps, say, someone who has had 4 jobs in a year, warn me that a person may have no intention of staying. I'd rather take a chance on someone who seems more reliable.
Load More Replies...they left off: "I had a horrible job and got fired with cause for ______________ . I knew my former boss would give me a horrible recommendation. Hire me anyway."
When it comes to responding to companies asking for far too much in their job postings, it can be difficult to know when it’s still worth it to apply. If you’re actually interested in the position, Nancy recommends finding someone within the company who you can talk to candidly about the role and what it’s like working there. Perhaps you have a friend or a LinkedIn contact there who would be willing to help. She also says that a good rule of thumb is the “70% rule”, meaning that if you fit about 70% of the requirements listed, it’s still worth it for you to apply. This is particularly important for women to keep in mind, as they tend to be more modest when applying for jobs. You can also keep an eye on how long a position has been posted online. If a company has been looking to fill a role for months, they might start to lower their expectations or be more willing to negotiate. If you submitted your resume months ago and no one has been hired yet, don’t be scared to circle back and see if you can still be considered.
Interviewing For My First Recruiting Job - Why Did I Start This Life??
And expect every hr department to bsod with such a reply 🤣
Load More Replies...In my youth, my strategy was to land a job, any job, did not matter as long as it covered my bills. Ask for at least 2-4 weeks till I started; Then go to other interviews in complete confidence that I had NOTHING to lose. At the end of the month, I could pick and choose which job worked best for my interests at that particular time in my life. EG: When I was in my teens to early 20's, I picked a job a beer distributor over many office job offers. Owner was awesome, all the employees got to split any the unbroken bottles from any broken cases and take them! It did not happen often, but when someone did drop a pallet - BONANZA!!! I had a blast till I was about 22-23, and only then got serious with my career.
That's It
I'm still technically waiting to hear if a got a job I interviewed for 8 years ago, am assuming I didn't ;)
I understand the confrontational part of not wanting to give someone bad news. But as someone who waited to hear back about an opportunity and basically got ghosted, I'm fine with getting an auto email just saying 'your application has been denied, thank you for your interest.' Fine, I can move on and not pass up something else because i'm waiting to hear from you.
I don't mind not hearing back if all I've done is sent in my resume/CV. But if I've gone in for an interview, that's a completely different case - the interviewer should definitely do the bare minimum to email or even send a form letter.
Load More Replies...Or worse, you've been hired, but waitlisted. As in, you have a job, kind of, with no hours yet, so don't apply anywhere eise.
I’m on the fence with this. I have a friend in recruitment and he said the amount of candidates who applied but then don’t respond to emails, texts, calls etc. They won’t bother calling to withdraw or say they are running late. They also get candidates calling who have been declined but they having checked their spam folder. Worse are those who are told but then will call and speak to someone else and say “oh. I was told last week I made it to the next stage. Candidates can be awful to deal with.
I've noticed that even companies that say they'll get back to me don't, even after I specially mention that I'd like to know one way or another. I can understand not wanting to give someone bad news, but just let me know so I can move on.
Recruiter Asked Me To Record A Video Response To 4 Questions. This Is My Reply
What is with this b******t of sending them a video? WTF do you say while recording it? I’m not auditioning for a movie role, ffs, I just want to work for your company. (I also don’t want them being assholes laughing at my video—-and I have seen, pre-Zoom/video/hell, pre-internet, HR making fun of people’s resumes and applications, so I know damn well they’d make fun of a video, so f**k them).
It's just "busy work" designed to give HR staff something to do and justify their continued employment.
Load More Replies...what is this, tinder for applicants? you want to make sure they're attractive before you hire them? This is giving me some 'Audition' scary movie vibes.
I might just send a link to a rickroll. I’d want to make sure they have at least some sense of humor.
I actually turned down a job interview, because they asked me to record myself answering questions. I think I was quite rude, to be honest. Oh - and this was something like 5 - 7 years ago.
I once had to make a video for stage 2 of a job application only to be told I wasn’t being processed due to lack of experience…. which they would have known for my initial application!!! Grrrr!
I have had 2 jobs - both government inbound call centre - where the entire interview process was done remotely. Ok. Both have been since COVID landed in our lives. I feel that the whole judgmental first impressions bull was side-stepped by this. Certainly, I was feeling very nervous videoing myself on the computer (partly because I had never used that system before/ partly job interviews are stressy anyway). But once I did the interview, and started the job, I was seeing the wide range of people in the job that I rarely saw anywhere else, due to the prejudices of the standard interviewer. Everyone from emos, the gregarious, the stay-at-home mothers in their first job in years, the walking skeletons, the ugly, the blimps (me), the ugly, the pretty, the self-involved, the physically handicapped. The only universal requirements, were a clear speaking voice, the ability/ willingness to help customers, and the drive to learn a new job. I think that's awesome.
The good news for those searching for a new job is that recently, hiring managers have had an increasingly difficult time filling roles. This means that applicants have more power than ever before, and they should take advantage of it. A month ago, Jane Thier published a story for Fortune titled “It’s a great time to be a job applicant—and the worst time to be a hiring manager” breaking down all of the reasons why candidates are now at an advantage over companies. Jane mentions that unemployment rates in the US are now the lowest that they’ve been since the beginning of the pandemic, and 84% of hiring managers report feeling burnt out, as candidates become more demanding in terms of perks and benefits. Not only are applicants asking for more, but they also have the power to tarnish a company’s reputation by discussing their interview experiences on social media and websites like Glassdoor. “As it gets easier and easier for individuals to find a new job,” Jane says. “The pressure on hiring managers only increases.”
What Usually Leads People To Find Another Job
A coworker was always calling out sick and I always had to drop my work to cover hers. When she finally quit, everyone was excited cause she just sucked. No one else grasped (until I said so) that this means I just lost MY job. Other staff had no idea that I had a different job and now I’d have to cover for her for months until a replacement was hired.
You could also say that now you have two jobs, only in the same company, and without being paid for two jobs. Or you could just do your own job and tell them you’re just too swamped to take on any extra responsibilities right now, so they just need to get someone in—-hell, hire a temp, ffs—-to cover her work.
Load More Replies...Mexican here, in my first job, within my first year several people from our team that were the highest paid either quit or were fired. We were always told that there couldn't be more than X number of people with a "high salary" per team. Thus we would get a raise every year but it was minimal. But after 4 of these people left, no one in my team got a significant raise in their salaries, however all the responsibilities of the people that were gone were distributed among all of us. They did hire new people, with the minimum wage they could pay them, so we were always like "so where's the rest of the salary that you were paying to all those 4 people for the duties we're all now doing?" The salaries of the new employees combined didn't even make up the total of one of the persons that left.
I've flat out told some work places that if someone leaves and I get to pick up their work, that I'm going to get paid more or I won't pick up the slack. Was then told I wasn't a "team player", my response was if I'm doing more work I'm going to get paid more.
this is such a simple thing. It's like, you want someone to do the same stuff the other person used to do? Then you have to pay them the same. Either hire a new person with the same experience, or hire a new one and pay them less but don't expect the same results. Giving the responsibilities to someone else that already has their own duties without a compensation is just abusive.
Load More Replies...My wife used to work for a company where she, and all her coworkers, was very overworked. Every couple of years, the company would make a big show of hiring new coworkers. My wife and her coworkers would be relieved, because they thought the new coworkers would help lessen their workload. Not so fast--the company decided that hiring more workers just meant that they could increase their workload. So my wife and her coworkers were still just as overworked and underpaid (and unappreciated). She doesn't work there anymore...
A Company Found Me On Linkedin And Reached Out To Me, This Was My Response
Love this. I hate these "send us a video" things. Why? I know why. This is solely so you can judge someone's appearance.
Exactly, It is also a great way to age discriminate and not get caught.
Load More Replies...Again, wtf is it with the video b******t? No, it is not appropriate, because the candidate has zero idea what you’re looking for. If you gave them a list of questions, then asked them to take a video answering them, then maybe—-by an impossible stretch of the imagination—-I could see a reasoning for it. Even though I really don’t, it’s just the hiring manager/recruiter being too lazy to do an actual interview is what it is. I’m not auditioning for a role in your movie, I’m applying for a job in one of your company’s cubbyholes, ffs.
Contrary To A Number Of Recruiters’ Popular Belief, I Do Very Much Care About The Money. Did You Think My Childhood Dream Was To Send An Email To Request Reimbursement Approval For Airport Parking To Pick Up Someone Snotty Visiting From The Head Office?
Why would it be considered anything else? My bills make the decision for me it’s as simple as that.
Omg I literally had a meeting this morning where someone brought up that we should “stop talking about our pay” and after seeing posts like this on BP for months, it felt dystopian af. (Also someone literally said “no one wants to work anymore” and I felt like I was in a meme.)
Yes, I expect you to accept you work so the rich can get richer and if you get food inbetween consider yourself lucky
I really hate it when an employer asks me if bonuses will motivate me to do a better job. If I wasn't already doing the job to the best of my ability, why am I still working there?
i hate the whole "we dont want people who only work for money" mindset. i aint working because i like you or my mean coworkers. im working because i need to eat and i need somewhere to live.
In the 2022 Greenhouse Candidate Experience Report, Greenhouse CEO Daniel Chait discusses this recent role reversal between companies and candidates. “Companies have realized their potentially unfair hiring practices—or even just simple sloppiness like ineffective interviewing or a habit of ghosting candidates—is coming back to bite them,” he says. Applicants are apparently also expecting the process to move very quickly, so interested hiring managers have to make offers fast before another company beats them to it. Meanwhile, in the competitive job market, hiring managers have to focus on retention as well. Every time an employee leaves their company for a better offer, there’s one more role they’re expected to fill. I certainly wouldn’t want the job of a hiring manager or recruiter, but it’s encouraging to know that the ball is in the applicants’ court sometimes.
Was I Being Impolite? Had This Exchange On Linkedin
I would have answered: Well since everything, for some reason, has already dropped on the floor, there is no reason to keep up the apearances. So I will try with some honesty instead. I am pretty confused about what just happened, but would like to make the best out of the situation, and will use it as learning experience. So please help me improve, so I can act better in the future. I would apriciate if you could answer the follwing questions: 1) The messages was answered in the same tone as the questions were asked, how can you consider that being impolite? 2)...and in case you do, does that mean that you yourself is impolite, and how do you feel about that? 3) Does it mean that you consider it OK, that you can act impolitely to others, but no one else can talk to you in the same tone? 4) It is normally considered to be a wise move to match the level of formality of language of that the person you are talking with uses, so what exactly did you expect me to say?
The person that posted this was TELLING the potential employer to tell them more about the position instead of ASKING. Example: Yes I am. Please tell me more about the role you're looking to fill.
How delicate an ego do you have to have to give that much of a s**t about the word "please"? The OP responded in the exact same tone the recruiter was using.
Load More Replies...For The Memes, Because We’ve All Been There
You forgot these stupid scroll wheels to enter a year - and the overall poorly designed website.
Scroll wheels need to die. I can type "1965" faster than I can scroll down to it. I can type "MA" faster than I can scroll all the way down to "Massachusetts." Even if it's a question to which there are limited answers (e.g., yes or no), check boxes are faster than scroll wheels. Just murder them already.
Load More Replies...This is probably one of the most aggravating things on planet Earth! There have been times I decided I didn't really want the job anyway when companies do this.
yep. Make me jump through hoops I am gone. I will email you my CV and you will email me a reply.
Load More Replies...Drives me crazy. To be fair, there are so many different resume formats and horribly designed resumes out there. If the resume is well made, it should be easy to copy/paste entire sections. But choose one or the other; either have me fill in fields or ask for a resume, not both.
Very true. Plus a lot of people don’t have PDF copies, which can result in a file being badly formatted on another person’s system. Honestly, I’d just prefer to copy and paste in to boxes. I’ve had 3 different formats (recommended by books, recruiters, etc), and someone complained about every single one.
Load More Replies...Me too. And I have tried to redo my resume to every format that recruiters advise, and it STILL doesn’t work. If a company doesn’t have enough people in HR to f*****g READ resumes, then they should HIRE some, because they’re losing too many excellent candidates to their f****d up metrics. A computer program is NOT a good judge of potential employees, a Human Being is.
Load More Replies...Hiring Managers: You No Longer Have The Luxury Of "Thinking" About Whether You Want To Offer A Candidate A Job Or Not
Don't add me on LinkedIn. Neither the company I am considering nor the recruiter. Stop that
I totally agree with that - LinkedIn has become the facebook of the business world!
Load More Replies...After three decades of working, I'm so glad things have changed in favor of workers.
Make your decision quickly, not quick. My eighth grade English teacher had writing on her blackboard in all the years she taught which said, "Be, am, is, are, never take an object." The first day in her class, she would tell students to learn this and never make the mistake again. I doubt any of us have.
Early 2019, I interviewed for 2 different jobs at the same time. Both were call centres set up to deal with the major increase in calls due to COVID landing. One had an interview process that was done in person, 3 interviews, and took weeks. The second took 4 days, and was done remotely via Microsoft Teams, and phone interviews. I was offered the 2nd job, and had already been working there for 2 weeks, when the 1st one called to ask if I was still interested. Between those 2 companies, plus one other, every person interested in call centre work was snapped up for 8 months plus. The attrition rate was immense when people started going back to their old jobs. We started getting school leavers who had no idea.
I think this is what happened with me just this month. it was the strangest interview process I have ever been though, and they didn't even haggle money.
Actually this is not the case for older workers over 45. Age discrimination is so heavy in the job market right now and it's not going away because there's no one out there tackling it.
Pay transparency is one of the most important factors for many job applicants today. Just look at this list and all of the screenshots featuring hiring managers beating around the bush when it comes to salary ranges or explicitly telling applicants they can’t disclose that information. More progressive companies, however, are advertising high salaries to ensure they can attract talent. Erica Thomas, a technical recruiter in Florida, told CNBC that hiring for on-site positions is particularly challenging, but it can be done at the right price. “If I say, ‘you’ll be on-site and the range is $118,000 to $130,000,’ now we’re talking,” she says. “You have 4 to 8 seconds to catch a candidate’s attention. People want to know the bottom line: how much they’ll be paid.”
Dodged
Asking a candidate for a desired salary is a twisted mind game. Just tell candidates what you're willing to pay and negotiate from there.
My desired salary starts $2.5M a year but we can negotiate.
Load More Replies...Just tell them 10k over what you actually want then “negotiate” to what you wanted.
I won't play your silly games. Lord knows what games you'll play once I get hired
"You resounded to"? Perhaps the writer's position at that company should be filled by someone with a clear grasp of English vocabulary and grammar.
I always try to find out the average market rate before going into a job interview. I am also very aware of how much money I need to earn per year. I will never go less than that. The rent hikes in the last 2 years have been mind-boggling.
Facing These Days!
Damn. My parents should have trained me for this job when they were thinking to have a baby.
I saw a job posting for a mail room clerk where they wanted a bachelor's degree. For a mail room job.... 🙄
But it only gives you an extra 9 months of experience! ; )
Load More Replies...This is age discrimination. This is illegal. It happens but few companies are this forthcoming about it. I'm confused about where age would be listed as a requirement.
This one isn't about ageism, it's about unrealistic/impossible requirements.
Load More Replies...There Is A Pandemic Of Bad Managers
Well management is a personality thing. They dont hire based on who is better
Bonuses are also getting better and better for applicants in the US. According to a 2021 Robert Half survey, 48% of companies are providing signing bonuses, 43% are offering more paid time off, and 40% are offering better job titles “to entice prospective hires”. Hiring managers have also resorted to casting a wider net when it comes to applicants because it has become so difficult to fill roles quickly with talent close to home. One woman, Lauren Rackley, told CNBC that she was given a $19,500 relocation bonus from her new job for moving from North Carolina to Florida. She noted that it was far more than any other relocation bonus she had been offered in the past.
Recruiter Asked Me To Send In A Report Of My Total Earnings In 2020/2021 As Part Of The Negotiation Process
Smart and very professional! (But you can still hear the mic drop at the end hehe)
Load More Replies...This is important. A recent college graduate may have worked in a car wash or waited tables while in school. Their last salary would’ve been much much lower than the average starting salary for the job they’re applying for—-in the industry their major is part of (compare a car wash employee’s salary to that of an entry level software engineer, and you’ll see what I mean). If a company is going to base their salary offer on an applicant’s last pay rate, a recent graduate will be paid way under the average, and that just not fair. Which is why it is illegal to require or even ask about it.
these recruiters are starting to sound more and more like scammers. I would never give them that info. What is the purpose or needing it? To be able to know how much you can take advantage of someone? 'Oh this job pays 100K a year but he's only been making 60K so far so we only need to offer 65K to make it attractive.' It should be illegal to ask for this info the same as it's illegal to ask for medical info.
For understanding: "it's the legal right of companies to show proof" is meant to be "...legal right to be shown..."?
I noticed that too. Huge red flag when the recruiter not only illegally demands private info, but can't even use correct grammar!
Load More Replies...Hitting Close To Home, Is It?
Some Recruiters Are So Lazy
Should of taken the Job, you would be in charge of managing yourself plus get two Salaries
Everything you fill out on those is used to shop for more employers to use their services. I set up several, calling former employers to see if they called to validate my working there. Each one called and never mentioned me but asked if they were recruiting new hires and could they send some work to their temp agencies. Some of these were from employers a thousand miles from where I was applying.
As companies become more desperate to hire and hold onto skilled talent, job applicants are finally being presented with attractive offers. Hopefully this combined with candidates holding companies accountable in communities like the Recruitment Hell subreddit will lead to permanently improved hiring practices. Enjoy the rest of this list of ridiculous messages and expectations from recruiters, and don’t forget to upvote the pics you find most appalling. Then let us know in the comments if you’ve ever had a terrible encounter with a recruiter!
Why Even Ask?
I've tried that, some systems take it and others have a minimum to stop you from doing that. Them I try $1,000,000 and see if it takes that. Next I try writing N/A. If all else falls, I put in a random number like $46,876.34 so it's clear that I'm f*****g with them like they f****d with me!
Load More Replies...I put “Negotiable after offer”, and they can sit on it and rotate if they don’t like it.
Wtf! I would put 0 and tell them 50k in person but your site had a weird glitch and wouldn’t let me type it.
Actually, I don't mind this. Putting in a high salary to expose their actual maximum offering is a good thing. I'll remember this if I come across it
I once went to an interview and had to fill out a form before I went in which had "Desired Salary" on it. So I put a figure I thought was fair. When I gave it to the receptionist she said "I have to send this in before you but they wouldn't want to hire you if you keep that figure, they'll want it to be $xxx" and I was like "huh?" I adjusted it and got interviewed. Didn't get hired because they thought I lived too far away. Probably for the best.
Why So Surprised?
"Workforce Development And Salary Consultant" Screwing Her Clients
Dunno, I see the lesson as don't touch this scammer with a barge pole......
Yes. For the story, this woman got a real sh*tstorm under her post...
Load More Replies...A better lesson would be to show the f*****g salary range on the advert, so we all know where we stand from the start!!!!!!!
This is the entire reason they don't show salary range. So the candidate can request far lower than they were going to offer.
Load More Replies...Currently trying to teach our decision makers this is how we lose really good people: once they have worked in our team for a while and see how much other people with less skills make they will rightfully demand more. Unfortunately it is really, really difficult to raise wages at our company fast enough, once they have been employed, even if they change position - so they will just.. leave. Because they now know their worth and because they are good they will find a new job fast.
How do people like this sleep at night? I hope Karma is an extra special b***h to them when the time comes for them to pay for their f*****g cruelty.
Yeah that's a great lesson too right? Ask for the moon and don't get the job bc your request was too high. Stop playing games and post the salary.
How about this: offer the candidate a large, mind-blowing salary. I'm not being sarcastic. People need to pay bills, and live. And if you treat them really well, they might actually stay at your company and do phenomenal things for your business.
Well I asked for the same amount of salary as I got from the place I really wanted to leave (had 2 AH bosses), they gave me much more, without asking. I was so desperate to leave, maybe she too.
As A Stb Graduate, This Hits Hard!
And that’s what it used to mean, back when your parents started out—-with just a high school diploma for the same job.
I Hope Y’all Find It As Hilarious As I Do
Me: *uploads CV as requested* Also me: *fills in application by copying and pasting "see uploaded CV" 100 times*
How Do You Tell The Difference Between A Bot On Linked And A Job Offer From A Real Person?
One thing I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard I try, keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme to explain in due time, all I know, time is a valuable thing watch it fly by as the pendulum swings, watch it count down to the end of the day the clock ticks time away, it's so unreal, I didn't look about below watch the time go right out the window trying to hold on but you didn't even know I wasted it all just to watch you gooooo, I kept everything inside and even though I tried, it all feel apart, what it meant to be will eventually be a memory of a time when I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FARRR, BUT IN THE END IT DOESENT EVEN MATTER, I HAD TO FALL TO LOSE IT ALL, BUT IN THR END IT DOESENT EVEN MATER!!!!!
Simple Life Hack
There were four in a bed and the little one said, "Roll over! Roll over!" So they all rolled over and one fell off!.... There were three in a bed and the little one said ............................
6 1/3 - See your best employees going away 6 2/3 - Make a Surprised Pikachu Face
6 5/6 - Throw an employee appreciation pizza party but only dole out one thin slice of pizza, or buy doughnuts but not enough for everybody, and tell people you’re going to doc 15 minutes from their time for it, whether they attend/eat any of it or not. Then say “Look at how much I appreciate your efforts!” (Although a raise, and at least getting a couple temps if not a permanent employee to cover the extra work, would be better.)
Load More Replies...Entirely Self Inflicted
You forgot: This is actually an unpaid internship, for which you will go through our ten step b******t hiring process. Once the internship is completed (a time period of our choosing, so we can drag it out as long as we want), you might be taken on permanently (through not really, nothing’s permanent), at our entry level pay, which is only marginally more than you made for the internship. The unpaid internship. We also have a trial period of one year after that “permanent” hire, during which time we can fire you for no reason, like just because someone in our clique doesn’t really like you. So f**k you, and please submit your application.
There are places around here wanting a Bachelor's degree with starting wages at 23k. Freaking ridiculous.
This Company Could've Spent $2,500 To Keep Their "Top Performer." Instead, She Gets A $12,000 Pay Raise Elsewhere. Good For Her!
You eliminate burnout AND turnover. You end up with employees who will go above and beyond to give you their best work. This can lead you to having an employee from entry level to retirement. You know, the way it used to be.
Pay me $__ an hour, and you’ll get work worthy of $__ an hour. Fill in the blanks.
Load More Replies...Sure Thing... You First
CEO Takes A Candidate’s Joke Wrong, Gives Speech About It Online
Some people confuse assertiveness with being rude and aggressive. Could have been that.
Load More Replies...Is it at all possible that he did look like a less talented version of Adam Levine?
A Dev Job Application Gone...slow
I Don’t Care How Badly I Need More Clients. This Felt So Damn Good
It should be illegal to steal someone’s time and effort because you’re too f*****g cheap to hire them. Please applicants, start suing them for theft of your intellectual property, or whatever legally applies to what they stole. Hell, set a legal precedent if you have to.
Unsolicited Job Offers Be Like
You don't want to work for someone who uses the urinal right next to you
My Reaction After A Company Replies After 2 Months
This happens to me so often. I know they never even looked at this point.
I've Never Made A Job Listing On Indeed, But I Doubt It's That Difficult
Honestly Indeed is a nightmare. It’s not *that* difficult (but can be weirdly hard to do certain things) and they beg for money with every click, takes 5 mins of saying NO just to post an ad. I do the hiring ads for my company and I cannot stand Indeed. I have so much empathy and love for the people who have to use it :( (also, I’ve only ever gotten one resume off there in 3 years - different markets’ mileage may vary, my hometown seems to prefer Facebook Jobs)
Load More Replies...Well, which is it? Or is it that f*****g “temporarily remote” s**t, meaning you have to live close enough to commute—-for a job listed as remote, just to lead you ina Dan f**k with you.
Not Sure If This Belongs Here But I Laughed
Becomming a CEO is actually really easy. Just start a one man company and assign yourself to the role of CEO. Done deal.
I’m the CEO of Bexxx Industries. We make pizzas and tacos solely for one very important client (me).
Load More Replies...Follow that dream son. Follow that dream. Just be sure your company’s hiring practices aren’t random s**t as well.
How Can You Hire Someone Without Telling Them The Salary?
Where's the, "You're delusional and withdraw my application", button? 🤔
Even at the job offer? So I’d have to wait two weeks for my first paycheck to see how much I’m making? F**k no. Hard pass.
Take Notes
Number 3 is maddening. I have top level certifications that cancel out lower certifications. Yet people evaluating resumes' for IT positions, have no clue about what the certifications mean. So they want people with the high and low level cert, even though the high level cert supersedes the lower level one. So in order to be considered for "all" the jobs, I need to waste my time getting the lower level cert, so that I am not weeded out. Never bothered, but it is funny how employers are losing candidates this way.
So much this and I'd argue that's good practice for every field. HR often just looks up common certs for the field and throws them in, not understanding anything about them. My current position, during the first interview HR was candid that they didn't even really know how to write the description out (it showed) & what to put in it.
Load More Replies...This is all such basic stuff, I can’t believe we’re at a point where we have to ask for it—-and have employers look at us like we’re ungrateful for their shitty management and pay, and are asking for the f*****g world. These. Are. So. Basic. They. Should. Just. Happen. Without. Us. Having. To. Ask!!! FFS!!!
So in other words, pay a livable fair wage for the skills/level, promote a work life balance and mean it and keep your word. Why is that so hard?
Unicorns
Someone who fits all of the ridiculous criteria you set and fits the actual role perfectly.
Load More Replies...Pretty Cool Of Nordstrom To Add This To Their Job Listing. This Should Encourage You To Apply For Positions That You Don't Think You're A 100% Match For
As a former Nordstrom employee, it was my favorite corporate employer that I ever had. I strongly considered leaving my economist career to work retail for Nordstrom. I was treated exceptionally well.
In the cover letter that I attached to my resume for my current (awesome!) job as a medical receptionist, I said, "I realized that I don't have the 1 year of experience that you prefer for the job. However, I do have three years of customer service experience, as well as experience as a supervisor, both of which I think would translate well into your environment." Long story short, the doc thought this was interesting, so he interviewed me, and I got the job! (Yes, I'm so old that I still attached a cover letter to all the resumes I submitted when I was looking for a new job!)
Kinda look like they’re only encouraging men to apply, even if they have zero idea what working in home and fashion retail entails.
Same Bro
Cover letters aren't needed it's just more words that the hiring manager will not read
I had one cover letter while jobhunting, I just copy-pasted it and changed the relevant details :D
Seriously. Who has the time to write fresh cover letters tailored to every individual company? Especially when it takes hours to get an online application finished, and you’re trying to send out as many as you can. Finding a job is a f*****g full time job in itself.
Load More Replies...I feel the same except with 'personal' references. I don't understand why this is asked for. Look at my work references. Most of my friends exist online and I'm not going to get their phone numbers and I feel super uncomfortable with this question. Not going to lie, when they ask for this I usually lie and just make up people and put in numbers that I know are disconnected.
Finally A Job Advert With Realistic Expectations
At least this is honest, although I'm not how the current staff feels about the sign.
The F**k? At Least They’re Telling You Up Front But
WTF does “high personal risk mean, anyway in this particular job? Am I going to have to jump out of an airplane without a parachute to attend a meeting (with other survivors), or some such b******t? And, NO! I do NOT put myself third, a*****e.
Are you sure you want honnest? Honest means that the person will call out all your dirty little sugarcoating s**t manouvers, and point it out when you are being delutional and have unrealistic expectations, e.g. when you want superhuman abilities, and some unhealthy level of commitment.
Job title is Please. Provide Legal Exculpation and Sign Everything.
Had a company that wanted me to sign legal forms promising neither me nor any of my agents ( lawyers) would disparage the company or anyone in the company. And bring these to the interview.
Load More Replies...Worst Onboarding/Background Check Experience Ever! Not Only Did I Send Her The References Prior But She Than Needed More! This Is Ridiculous! Here’s What I Told Her Below!
I would never provide that to a potential employer. It’s none of their business
I process payroll and issue W2s to employees at end of year (US income statement for tax purposes.) There is no such thing as a W2 "transcript." Also, no one has the right to ask to see your W2 except your tax return preparer and the IRS. This is some BS the co is trying to pull on people to figure out how little they can pay them. Ugh - such reprehensible tactics.
Load More Replies...College Senior With A Business Major In NYC… Recently Awarded With A Distinction As Top 5% In The Class
I may be an older applicant, but my Masters is fresh, as of 2019. I’ve had no luck finding anything even close to my field.
Applying For A Job
Then never getting a reply. Well, until months later after you found something else. Then it’s a boilerplate rejection email.
Entry Level Salary For A Role Requiring 10yrs Experience
And now the job’s probably no longer taking applications, since the recruiter dicked around so f*****g long.
they are basically exploiting the sunken cost effect. Once you have put a lot of effort into something, you will have a hard time letting it go, and hence you will be able to make a sakrifice to prevent all the effort you have previously put into the project from having been a vaste of time. However sometimes it is just better to cut your loses, and move on instead of accepting such a dickish move which will end up costing you a lot more down the line.
“It Shouldn’t Affect Your Schedule” …excuse Me?
Yes. In class. To learn skills for the job. That you won’t even try to talk to me about, at a time when I’m available, even though you first said I can set my own time for the appointment.
If it’s only 10 mins then it shouldn’t affect the interviewer’s schedule to do it at 2:30 😝
Load More Replies..."Please let us know if this time fits to your schedule, so we can let you know that we will insist on the time anyways."
That's not the point. The recruiter is assuming the candidate will drop everything for a ten minute Zoom call. Doesn't bode well for the work environment.
Load More Replies...Should Money Not Be The Top Priority?
"I present candidates even if they are outside of our budget" doesn't seem like a quality of a good recruiter... Sounds like they are just wasting everybody's time.
Yeah I definitely wouldn’t hire that recruiter :/ although it sounds nice to get paid to waste time all day
Load More Replies...In order to not waste both of our time, just give me a reasonable ballpark range, so I can decide if it’s even worth MY valuable time to continue or not. Just. Answer. The. Damn. Question. Already. OK?
This is actually good advice. The recommendation not to disclose your expectations is outdated. Do some market research and know your worth. No companies are going to be hiring at wildly over market value. I asked for $75k at my last job and they accepted because I brought more to the role than they expected. Found out later the budget was $50-55k. Third party recruiters get paid commission based on your salary so they'll fight for a high salary for you too.
When I do give you my range, don't low ball me. You asked, I provided. If you don't meet my expectations we are done.
The only reason not to disclose is that you’re hoping for low offers. Get knotted.
Anyone Else Read This As, “Must Be Willing To Take Abuse”?
Why bother even trying to put up with the micro a ing b******t for a lousy 6 month job?
yes garmadon you are a micro manager I can tolerate you because I'm SPECIAL (Lego movie reference)
"Robust" is the new buzz word. It is huge red flag. It is just a reframing of "we know we are dickheads, but instead of working on it, we put all the effort on you, and expect you to not break under the load like most humans would do. If you see it on a job proposal, let it go straight to the bin, and spend your time wiser. You might end up getting the job, but know that it comes with a lot of unreasonable requirements, abuse and exploitation, and that you will most likely break down in such an enviroment.
At least they're not springing it as a nasty surprise on your first day.
Fast Paced Environment And Dynamic Teams!
Was This A Mistake? Sick Of Dehumanizing And Humiliating One-Way Interviews
While I don’t mind an initial questionnaire, after that I would like to actually speak to a person. NOT record a video and send it in, but actually speak to a live human being.
What’s a one way interview? Like your on video but the other person isnt?
Heh
And you’re probably not going t9 train me, but leave me hanging out there to figure it all out myself. That’s a huge load of effort on my part, so I should be compensated accordingly.
Yet Another Lie About Not Knowing The Salary. No Company Interviews Without Knowing What They Can Afford
Finally A Company That Just Gets Me
Even when the6 do post a salary they f**k it up—-and don’t even proofread before posting the ad. THIS is the intellect of the people who require YOU to jump through hoops perfectly or be dropped from consideration.
I had to read this three times before I caught that the salary was listed PER HOUR. For $60K *per hour* I would dress in drag and do the hula
Counteroffers 101
Reeks of desperation to not lose face by f*****g up and losing a good employee because you’re a stingy m**********r.
Why Are These People So Picky? Who're They Hoping To Find?
A sure way to have an unhappy life is to expect perfection from other people. You will never get it, so quit being so choosy. You might just find an unexpected perfection, or another form of perfection in an unexpected package.
Perfect employees are not found, they are made. Each company is different, has their own culture, and does things in their own way. You must therefore expect to spend some resources on a run in period, where you form a candidate in a molding phase called training. Thinking that you can skip this step, just by looking for the perfect candidate where everything will just click into place on day one, is naive. It would be nice if it was possible, but it is nothing but wishful thinking, and even if you succeed in it, chances are that the hirering process would have been so long that the task not being done by the person missin in the vacant spot and the effort put into the recruiting process by no mean justifies it.
Workplaces have to advertise jobs to be eligible to grossly under pay someone on a hb-1
A colleague and I recently interviewed someone over Teams who at one point in the interview got up and walked off. Came back a few mins later. When I asked where he went, he walked off again. We stopped the interview there and then. We have just filled the position as the successful candidate was excellent, but it took a long as the candidates we had couldn't answer the technical questions we were asking. This was for an IT role.
I mean that’s fair. If someone is just rude and not used to acting professional can’t blame anyone but themselves. I had a candidate hang up on me mid sentence. Entirely unnecessary. Just say you are no longer interested so there’s no confusion. But if someone has the right character/energy but lacks experience I’d still hire them if I think they would fit well in the role.
Load More Replies...No Country For Young Men
I've gotten this answer once before. I was desperate and said it just means I can do the job with ease. Isn't that what you want? The answer was no. They wanted someone that would struggle under their thumb.
aka someone who won't question stupid decisions, someone that they can throw under the bus, and someone who won't want to push for raises/promotions for awhile.
Load More Replies...This Is Illegally Relevant To My Ability To Do The Job
I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with this until I re-read it a few times. No thanks, you don’t need to know one thing about my parents!
The only time I had to answer questions like that was when I worked for TSA and had to have an in depth FBI background check done for my federal security clearance.
Are they hiring my parents too? If not, why the f*ck do they need this information?
Prospective employers cannot ask about family and marital status. Within this, they cannot ask about the status of any family member, including education. They CAN ask if you have family employed at their company and that is the only instance family can come up in conversation. - The metrics being used by recruiters can be a little sneaky. The algorithms can figure out quite a bit. One of the reasons they would ask for parents education is to determine the socio-economic background candidate was raised in. Another is race. Both of which cannot be considerations for employment.
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Absolutely Agree
They need to keep their jobs viable so make up fake ways to make themselves appear indispensable, usually when anyone with half a brain and a modicum of common sense and efficiency could do it.
A common case of Psydoywork. You have to prove that you actually work, when it is not really needed, so you invent all sorts of task that you sell as really important, when in fact they are not, you are just procrastinating an that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling of being useful and productive. Many of the test they use, e.g. the ink blob test, has proven to be completely useless, yet they still cling onto them.
Ran Into A Recruiter On Hinge
Experience I Had With A Recruiter After Asking Why The Marketing Role I Applied For Had A Lot Of Sales Duties In The Jd
Starter Page Agree?
And the next day you were called in to an interview, and it was the same homeless dog! ZOMG.
Load More Replies...Why Is This Necessary, Panera?
I Can't Explain How Good Sending This Made Me Feel!
If they’d only dropped a quick email to say that, though they were an excellent candidate and the choice was difficult, but they had to go with another candidate. “However, we will keep your resume on file and, if another role opens up that we feel you’d be great in, we’ll get back in contact with you. We wish you lots of luck in your job hunting endeavors”, or something to that effect. In the meantime, the candidate may have found a job, but might not be quite happy in it, and their email about another role to interview for might very well have been welcomed and appreciated. Now, how hard would that have been?
Amazon Tries To Recruit Microsoft’s Cto For A Backend Engineer Position
When Recruiters Turn Aggressive For No Reason
Quite often, jobs like that require you to f*****g commit your life and hell, sacrifice your health and well being, to earn it. In other words, work way harder than is necessary, and burn out quickly.
Pto
Another company that’s a legend in their mentally f****d up CEO’s own mind.
Why Does Anyone?
So that I can buy sausages to eat, and have a home in which to pet my cat.
Like Everyone Else Here, I Hate Linkedin
I’ve seen shot like this. A variation of bait and switch. Assholes.
Recruiter Put Me In A Group Chat With A Enployee From The Company. The Employee Looked At My Profile And Promptly Left The Chat Without Saying A Word. Note, I Was Qualified For This Job
Never Again I Will Be Doing These Stupid Tests
The answer is "ecjy"... but yeah, this is a pretty weird (even stupid) question to ask candidates. I'd lose my enthusiasm pretty quickly.
I suppose I could understand it on a position that relies heavily on pattern recognition. But this stinks of using an unofficial "IQ" test to weed out applicants.
Load More Replies...For anyone wondering at the logic... 1st letter: skips letters going forward W_(x)_Y_(z)_A_(b)_C_(d)_E... 2nd letter going backwards up the alphabet G_F_E_D_C....3rd letter going forwards up the alphabet F_G_H_I_J... 4th letter skips 3 letters between I_(j, k, l)_M_(n, o, p)_Q_(r, s, t)_U_(v,w,x)_Y
I have never, not once, been able to do the "next in" sequences. I just randomly select each time.
Unfortunately, This Employer Didn't Make It To The Next Round
Smart. The company’s f*****g metrics would dump your resume for a missed comma or an extra space between words. If the company can’t show enough respect to even spell a candidate’s name correctly, it’s a huge red flag, and they need to stop being such housing beggars when hiring.
Stats From My 11-Month Job Search
When "Support" Is Literally In The Job Title But Isn't A Support Role?
Bribe The Hiring Manager After A Rejection?
Most of us don’t have the money to burn to do this. You know there are plenty of assholes out there who would take the gift card and never give that applicant another thought.
'Think she'll be remembered?'... No, No I don't! I think that gift card will be given to another member of staff (save's them buying something, and lets them give the impression they reward their staff), and her name will be completely forgotten.
I feel like I wouldn't do this. If everyone did, the jobs will expect it and say no submissions under $100.
Yes, because what someone who needs a job is easily able to do is buy a gift card for someone who just rejected them in the of chance they'll reconsider-by-bribery.
A Recruiters Angry Reaction To The Idea That Salary Info Should Be Given Right Away. They Claim We're Not Entitled To It Until We Give Them Our Time For A Meeting
This is kind of hilarious, actually. The recruiter just came back, really quite rudely, with many things many people I know actually want. However, they still didn't come back with the salary range.
Especially funny that it would've taken considerably less time and energy!
Load More Replies...They know if they posted the salary range in the recruitment info, they would get half or even less applications for the role.
Well… Was Rejected For A Job While Checking If Qualified
"...while it is company policy to not to share any specific interview feedback" that is some fine business BS. It's a classic trick of hiding behind "company policy", and using the excuse of having their hands tied, when in reality they are too lazy/profit fixated to put in the effort of helping others, they are willing to give people a second chance, but how do they expect them to do better without them knowing what went wrong. I read that as, "We're dickheads, who doesn' want to act decently, as that will cost us too much". Why did you choose that policy? We're all kind of stumbeling our way through life and have to learn certain things on the go, and feedback is an important tool for easing that process. Cutting away that option for someone who has put in some effort to try and fit into your company is just not fair, and only enhanse the image of Amazon being a cynical company that only cares about profit and happily sacrifice humans to achieve it. Is that what you are aiming for?
Lol. It’s Literal Hell On Earth Folks
FFS, make it related experience at least, without the number of years. That way they can list any jobs they had where they used skills apropos to the job, as well as internships within the industry itself.
Yep, and if no company is willing to put in the effort of training the newly graduated people, how many people with 3-5 years experience do they expect to be able to hire in 5 years? You cannot be picky like that, but have to make an investment in growing what you need instead of allways counting on harvesting the fruits of other people's labor. It is the same thing with craftsmen, the companies are screaming that the cannot find enough skilled workers, yet no one is willing to take on trainees, so how the hell did they imagine the situation to get any better in the future?
Unless You Got A 3.5 Gpa In Engineering, Don't Bother Applying. If You Didn't Get At Least A 3.5, You Just Didn't Work Hard Enough
At least someone was able to learn, and admit their mistakes. That shows an open mind, and the ability to improve, that's good thing. Grades are not everything. If you put in all your time and effort into optimising them, and thereby spend all your time with the nose deep down in a book, you are likely to miss out of a large part of life, and hence you won't learn a lot of other important life lessons. Books can only get you part of the way there. The assumption of everybody being able to get good grades if they just put in the effort can also be wrong. Sometimes life just happens, and some external circumstances requires that you for a period put your main focus on something else. People get sick, can stuggle to pay the bills, their house burns down or something else emminent comes along, that can affect the amount of effort they can put into shcool. Furthermore, groupwork is quite popular these days and if you end in a group with four slackers, getting top grades can be hard when it requires that you do the work of 5 people.
Yeah, I heard that saying, “Cs get degrees”. But some of us actually put in a lot of extra effort and got that 4.0 GPA, so please don’t overlook our drive, effort, and commitment in favor of someone who spent more time doing kegstands than studying. FYI, I did that, starting as a 51 year old freshman (college was not a possibility for me at 18, though I had the grades, then life got in the way), and ending as a 58 year old with a Masters degree. I had a 4.0 GPA while many of my 18 year old, 22 year old, 25 year old classmates had 2.0 GPAs. People half my age and more. The ability to learn new things, and learn them quickly and well, does not end in your twenties. I even memorized entire presentations, including those for my French classes, so I know for certain that my memory and abilities are just fine—-and better than those of many people much younger than me.
An Assessment "That Measures Your Personality And Cognitive Skills." Total Estimated Time To Complete Is 1 Hour, I Gave Up After 15 Minutes. This Is After Three Hours Of Interviews For A Data Job At A Dying Company
My husband has severe test panic. I do not. I did every one of his assessments for a job he was uniquely qualified for, because they looked like that garbage. (Except the actual technical assessment, obvi) He was hired. His first year he aced an audit the company had never gotten more than 80% on. Because. He. Is. Good. At. His. Job. Me? I'm good at stupid a** brainteasers.
They Really Really Don’t Like The Taste Of Their Own Medicine
Dear Recruiters and Hiring Managers (Everywhere), it takes you 30 seconds to write an email letting us know you've received our application/inquiry and have decided to remove yourself from our application process. I PROMISE you we don't mind. Being a 'no-show' to our application is just not acceptable"..... and I could go on about employers ghosting applicants en masse.
Agreed. But don’t then turn around and hypocritically ghost me after I interview with you. Deal?
I kind of agree with the recruiter here. If you don't intend to use the oportunity you have been given, the least you can do is to free up the time slot that has been reserved for you. Having someone spending mayby 20 minutes of their workday, and causing them the confusion about what is happening is just not fair. Especially since, if they are good people, they will contact you, probably by phone, in order to figure out what the hell happened since you were a no-show, and if it was something out of your control so you deserve a second chance. So you have to spend that time on the issue anyway. When you can save another person a lot of time and worries by spending just a tiny bit of your own time, you should do it.
Bullet Dodged
I'd ask that too. I have priorities that don't involve the work place, and more often than not, exceeds the work needs.
I don’t see why recruiters get offended by straight forward questions like pay and hours. We all wanna know.
Just like the salary, the schedule matters. I have a life, and a husband, to coordinate with my job, so knowing what my schedule is going to be, from the get-go, is extremely important.
The problem here is that employers don't understand that the question about money or days off has nothing to do with selfishness. They think people are asking because we want to see what benefits we can start to extract from our employers like greedy little demons, rubbing our hands. The fact is that we ask about money because there's no reason to waste your time if what you offer doesn't pay our rent. There's no reason to waste your time if you don't allow to have Thursday's off because that's the day your child has cancer treatments on that day and you can't reschedule. Or maybe you take care of a parent. Or any number of things that are required by your life. Why sit through an hour long conversation, get ready, be nervous, drive there...why do all of that if there's no possible way to take the job? They should welcome these questions to weed out anyone who isn't actually able to take the job.
yeah forget to let it spill through that you are actaully a human being and and as such have human needs, that must be considered. You are about to be pressed into a mold that will reshape you to be the perfect cog that will make the big machine turn.
Startup Trying To Poach Me From My Current Job, But Wants Me To Go Through 6+ Hours Of Interviews
Poaching someone means you already know they’re ready to jump in and do the job right away. With no need to interview for 15 minutes, much less six hours. F*****g idiots.
If the employer has made an offer and the candidate has decided to accept, then the 3rd interview sounds like a really good idea.
That should be covered in the first day/week after the candidate is hired so at least they'd be paid for their time
Load More Replies...Not So Fun When The Tables Are Turned, Are They?
You can make your life easier by putting the salary in the job description and cut out all the BS of tests, 10 interviews and no feedback to the candidate
...and if you wrote something about what the job is actually about, and what tasks you expect the candidate to perform, instead of just a bunch of well sounding fluffy bragging terms, it would be a great help when we try to figure out how we would fit into your company. Information about when the company was established, how the food in the canteen is, and how much money you earned last year, is quite useless when people try to figure out how they can help you, if they are hirered. I have seen cases so bad, that after reading the job proposal I did not even know what the company does (the fact might have been that they did not really do much at all, but only sold some kind worthless of consultat BS). Give us some bones with a bit more meat on, so we have something to work with when evaluating if we are a good match for the position. A good job proposal should anser the questions of: what do you offer, and what do you expect me to do.
Load More Replies...Teaching Math Literally Pays Less Than Working In Fast Food
I made more than that (adjusting for inflation) at my first full time job when I was 19 and just had a high school diploma. In 1979.
Yep. I saw a lot of these recently. Required degree for minimum wage, or just over. Shameful.
Table Tennis Tables Everywhere!
Yeah, but look to see if they appear to have been used in a regular basis. Some companies put in these toys, but frown an any employee who actually tries to use them. It’s all PR b******t.
After Two Months Of Being Jerked Around For A Job I Really Wanted, I Stood Up For Myself For Once
But it wouldn’t be any skin off your asses to at least send along an update now and then, ffs.
Unfortunately I Am A Human Being
I think this information helps - a LOT. Honestly, how do they like their work to be done? If not most of it can be solved using existing processes there is something severely wrong with how my team is organized, we will get completely random results and our customers and users will never be able to rely on anything.
I wouldn't want any CEO that did not do any of that. Someone who acts like what they seem to want, sounds like a crazy psycopath. Lets turn things around. So you want: Someone who actively seeks and starts a lot of conflicts and moves straight into trouble instead of looking for the oportunity to steer clear of them, so things are kept nice and calm? You want someone who probably have a well equiped tool box, containing special tools, perfected over a long time period for specific tasks, to trow them all away, and instead use a wrench to hammer in a nail, or spend a lot of time inventing a new way of doing things that will probably be more costly and produce a worse result? You want someone who makes up his mind, not on information and fact, but gutfeeling and emotions alone, which probably have not root in the real world? So you basically want a Donald Trump to run the business? What is this? some sort of bankrupcy scam where you somehow can earn money on running it into the ground?
They Said The Quiet Part Out Loud
Ageism. Illegal as f**k. Older employees aren’t always boomer Karens. Many of us are experienced, settled, and very capable of handling the work and learning new skills. Not everyone stagnates when they reach an more advanced age. Also, some of us can’t afford to retire, and will have to work until we drop dead. We may be in our sixties, but we still have bills to pay—-and some of us have student loans to pay off—-just like millennials—-for Masters degrees or PhDs our fields told us we now needed to advance in our careers—-and we graduated at the top of our classes, doing better than classmates half our age! So don’t try to tell me older employees can’t learn new skills.
Would He?
Tell me I'm not the only one whose brain is screaming "red flags" at the "we don't believe in boundaries" on the top of the image
Elon bros are everywhere. I thought they are a rare breed only found on Twitter.
Would be hire me? No. Probably cuz I'd ask him what's wrong with his face.
A better question- are you Elon Musk? Then why are you comparing yourself to him? Also, are you going to pay me like he does? Offer benefits like he does? No? Ohhh okay.
Rejected From Cat Sitting
A marine biologist... so she understands animals that live in the oceans which does not include cats... AND why isn't she working as a marine biologist?
I worked in IT with a marine biologist. The closest he ever got to a marine biology job was cleaning stables at a horse farm.
Load More Replies...How TF does being a Marine Biologist make you more qualified to be a cat sitter? Because most—-but not all!—-cats like to eat fish? Cripes. The best candidate would be an experienced animal care person—-even better if they’re a certified veterinary technician, or are at least enrolled in classes to become a vet tech.
Evidently a lot, since they're hiring a cat sitter! 🤣 ETA: Punctuation
Load More Replies...I saw this on Twitter. I’ve been rejected from cat care roles even though I have 6+ years experience in animal care I get told I don’t have enough experience. To clean up s**t.
I Had This Lovely Interaction This Morning. I Haven't Heard Back From Them
Why do so many jobs have to include sales? Let salespeople do sales, and leave the rest of us to do our own, non-sales jobs without that pressure. I am not a good salesperson, especially when my paycheck is at stake. Leave that pressure off, and if I manage to inadvertently sell something, then bonus. Otherwise, do not pressure me to sell. It’s an exercise in futility.
Same. I've had a customer facing job for 3.5 years. The business was sold to another company who now tell me that my job is "sales" and pay is dependant on those sales! I objected because I'm not a sales person and I shouldn't be punished financially because THEY changed the job role - I wouldn't even apply for the job I have now. I've been searching for a new job for 12 months but as I'm in a regional area, there isn't much available so I'm stuck for now.
Load More Replies...All Right Boys, It's Time To Pack Up. Work-Life Integration Is Here!
Work-Life integration: When you wake up in the morning and see your boss peeing in your bathroom...
Yeah. Sounds like they are a bunch of boundary-ignoring meth-heads.
Load More Replies...No fixed desks? F**k no. I like to have my own permanent desk, so I can personalize my workspace. It makes me feel comfortable to have some personal pictures and things to look at while I work. Plus, I arrange it so everything’s there and within easy reach. Without it, I feel temporary and can never fully commit to the job. Even if other people are happy playing musical desks, I prefer to have my own permanent space—-that no one else is allowed to use!
Brb Crying
No. I. Will. Not. Get off your asses and f*****g interview me.
Saw Someone Upset About A One Year Ban. Try 5
I'm Sorry, A What?
And most likely a host of other “fetishes” as well, and not all good ones. I mean, how many “respectable” have been found to have weird, and even sick, fetishes? So yeah, a job ad shouldn’t really include the word “Fetish”.
Load More Replies...Works Of Fiction
I have been trying to start my own business for a while now. That takes time, and should be considered a good reason for a gap (though I would use my company to fill that gap, I would still be truthful when asked about it. If someone lies at the interview, they’ll probably lie about everything else if they’re hired.
"Send Your Resume And Statement Of Faith" Wtf
To be fair, they're just one of many groups of kid f*****s. They're the most recently outed f*****s.
Load More Replies...I had an interview once where I was asked if I go to church.. I couldn't answer as I thought it was inappropriate... The interview ended right then
I have seen these and they puzzled me. Unless the want ad is for a rabbi, priest, or pastor, isn’t this discrimination based on religion, and therefore illegal?
I mean... it's a christian university that teaches christian education. I don't think it's weird to look for christian staff. ?
What is the job? It would make sense if they are seaching for priest, or someone to teach at a religious school, but that is about it when it comes to jobs where people's faith is partly their business.
They get to advertise for what they want. At least they're being up-front and honest.
I agree they should only hire people who align with their views, but they’re hiring for a job and one’s personal beliefs should be personal. They don’t have to hire someone who isn’t religious or a christian, but EOE laws prevent it from being a consideration. Therefore, they can’t blatantly discriminate against religious standing (or lack thereof) in their advertising for the position. It’s the same with the law on age. They can opt to not hire someone older, but shouldn’t be breaking the law to recruit.
It's a religious institution and therefore exempt from those laws. They absolutely can legally require specific faith, sexual orientation and set of genitalia. What's right and what's legal are not the same thing.
Load More Replies...Racist Interviewer Gives Easier Questions To White And Asian Men
What an a*****e, and a crook, as that’s illegal. The reason they’re seemingly boasting about it is because they’re probably posting this on a racist website. Hope they’re found out and doxed for it.
How Tone Deaf Can You Be? I Think I Understand The Point She’s Trying To Make But She’s Made Herself Sound Like A Sociopath
I Did A Stupid Writing Test For This Company Four Years Ago That Never Got Back To Me. I Decided To Follow Up
Wait. The “stupid writing test” never got back to you? And you wonder why they didn’t immediately offer you the job? (Though they could’ve shot you a rejection email anyway.)
Me After Going To Multiple Job Intrviews
It's Completely Normal To Have To Literally Beg For A Job Outside Company Hq
If exposing, demeaning and debasing yourself is the only way to get good jobs, all those jobs will be filled by clowns
My company kinda makes it hard to get hired too. First you apply. Then wait. Then get an email someone will call you. Then wait. Then get a call asking about experience. You either lie that you do an move forward or say no and get hung up on. (Even though it's a training position.) then if you get a call you have to come in for a skill test. Then wait. Then get called in for a real interview and if they like you then you have to go get a drug test. And wait for the recruiter to call/email back that you have more paperwork to file. Then you get called in to train for 4-6 weeks (paid) and have the job. My friend applied in February and since someone left I directly handed his contact information to my boss who found his resume application and called him. They set up a skill test and by passed the online s**t. He's gonna start in a week or two. But because the computer indeed webshit and all that it's been months he could have been her me working.
You've made your point about a long hiring process, but many typos make it hard to understand, especially toward the end of your essay. Proofread.
Load More Replies...What I really hate is the "quizzes" that companies post online. Indeed has it - OK, you have 20 years of graphic design experience? Now do this 20-question quiz to prove it to us. Hell, no! If you do not think my past experience reflects what I can do, I'm not wasting my time answering a stupid quiz - I already know I do not want to work for you!
As an applicant, one of the quickest reasons I'll shut down the interview process is by requiring me to take a "culture" screening, such as Culture Index. Those things are ridiculous.
I just accepted a position after doing the weirdest interview process ever. It's like they needed to spend some money on someone and picked me out of a hat. I'm still reeling and am waiting for the axe to come down. My wages just jumped $20k per year, it's remote, a multinational company and in a field that is highly sought after. In a few years, I'll hit that magic 6 figure income level. Something in my resume and MS Team meeting ticked the right boxes. I have a hunch that I'm the "token" female in a male dominated world. But, hey, I'm cool with that! I work for the money and am only loyal for 7.6 hours a day, 5 days a week. LOL
Strange that people are so outraged by all this when a gentleman by the name of Karl explained all this in the 1850s and referred to it as "exploitation of the workers". Hmmmm. Yet here we are, almost 180 years later, still discussing it as if he didn't explain it clearly.
My company kinda makes it hard to get hired too. First you apply. Then wait. Then get an email someone will call you. Then wait. Then get a call asking about experience. You either lie that you do an move forward or say no and get hung up on. (Even though it's a training position.) then if you get a call you have to come in for a skill test. Then wait. Then get called in for a real interview and if they like you then you have to go get a drug test. And wait for the recruiter to call/email back that you have more paperwork to file. Then you get called in to train for 4-6 weeks (paid) and have the job. My friend applied in February and since someone left I directly handed his contact information to my boss who found his resume application and called him. They set up a skill test and by passed the online s**t. He's gonna start in a week or two. But because the computer indeed webshit and all that it's been months he could have been her me working.
You've made your point about a long hiring process, but many typos make it hard to understand, especially toward the end of your essay. Proofread.
Load More Replies...What I really hate is the "quizzes" that companies post online. Indeed has it - OK, you have 20 years of graphic design experience? Now do this 20-question quiz to prove it to us. Hell, no! If you do not think my past experience reflects what I can do, I'm not wasting my time answering a stupid quiz - I already know I do not want to work for you!
As an applicant, one of the quickest reasons I'll shut down the interview process is by requiring me to take a "culture" screening, such as Culture Index. Those things are ridiculous.
I just accepted a position after doing the weirdest interview process ever. It's like they needed to spend some money on someone and picked me out of a hat. I'm still reeling and am waiting for the axe to come down. My wages just jumped $20k per year, it's remote, a multinational company and in a field that is highly sought after. In a few years, I'll hit that magic 6 figure income level. Something in my resume and MS Team meeting ticked the right boxes. I have a hunch that I'm the "token" female in a male dominated world. But, hey, I'm cool with that! I work for the money and am only loyal for 7.6 hours a day, 5 days a week. LOL
Strange that people are so outraged by all this when a gentleman by the name of Karl explained all this in the 1850s and referred to it as "exploitation of the workers". Hmmmm. Yet here we are, almost 180 years later, still discussing it as if he didn't explain it clearly.
