In the face of 40-year high inflation, you can’t help but watch your wallet get thinner. In fact, more than a third of American adults are tapping into their savings accounts to cover increased living expenses, withdrawing an average of $617 during the first six months of this year. As nearly everyone is feeling the effects of skyrocketing costs of everything from fuel to rent to groceries to entertainment, we could all use some helpful tips and tricks to stretch our dollars.
Being thrifty and finding ways to pay less for everyday goods is generally the way to go. But have you ever heard the saying "I’m not rich enough to buy cheap"? Turns out, some tactics that help reduce spending now can easily cost you more in the long run — whether in time, energy, or money.
So when one user reached out to 'Ask Reddit' inviting people to share "false frugalities" — low-cost things that turned out to be expensive — most people are unaware of, the thread immediately became a hit. We’ve gathered some of the most illuminating responses to share with you, so continue scrolling! Be sure to upvote the ones you agree with and then chime in with your own experiences in the comments.
Psst! After you’re done with this list, check out Bored Panda’s earlier piece with tips on how to live more frugally right here.
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There was a sub about how to budget food/living expenses. And the ideas that people had were ridiculous and required you to be financially well off enough to facilitate their idea of what saving money is. I don't think I received advice from anyone who knew what it was like to be poor, or actually truly need to responsibly budget their funds.
One guy wanted me to plant a garden to grow some carrots or other veg. I explained that I have a small apartment, and that carrots are a dollar for a big bag. He actually got uppity with me and became a total shithead when I explained that I live in a small apartment in the middle of the biggest city in canada. There is no benefit to turning half my apartment into a garden so I can grow five bucks worth of veggies in a few month's span. I can't just go outside and plant vegetables. It's also cold here 9 months out of the year.
I got berated out of the sub after pointing this kind of s**t out numerous times.
I spent about $100 once on soil, plants, lumber for a raised bed, etc. to wind up with about $10 worth of a few veges. No green thumb here.
Bottled water. It's marketed to appear that it's healthier and cleaner than tap water, plus the plastic bottles are not sustainable. Just buy yourself a thermos or reusable water bottle and stop buying overpriced plastic with over-glorified tap water included.
It's healthier if you're in a region that has contaminated water, or parasites, like in Mexico, * for example, and other regions in countries around the world that are otherwise developed around the world.
Cheap batteries. They don't last, they don't work well, and many of them are duds. When I was in high school, I always, always listened to my discman. One day the batteries died so I walked up to the gas station and chose between the Duracell batteries and the bronze-colored batteries. I bough the cheaper no-names and they died before the day was over. And I had to go through social studies without music.
I learned two things that day; WWI history, and not to buy cheap batteries.
"Rent is throwing money down the drain"
Owning a home is not always smart. It can be, but not always. It's not just the house cost, but costs in taxes, interest, insurance, repairs and maintenance, etc.
Then there's opportunity costs. I know folks who can't move until they sell, and can't take better jobs cuz they can't move. A house can be a big anchor in some contexts.
Yeah I might rent, but I know I'll never have to replace a roof for $20,000 or pay any maintenance. Notwithstanding, investors screwed way too many people out of affording a home. It truly is the American dream now because you have to be dreaming to think you can afford one.
Cheap, single ply toilet paper. You end up having to use way more just to get the same effect of the good stuff.
And you generally end up with a middle finger in your bum after it pokes through the cheap paper
Aggressive lane changing while driving. All that accellerating to get into the "better" lane just wastes fuel, and you save a negligible amount of time. There was a small TV documentary here in Australia I remember watching that did tests on it. They sent two drivers across Sydney in rush hour traffic: one who would change lanes only when it was absolutely necessary (obstructions, turnoffs, etc), and one who was super aggressive changing all the time. The aggressive driver got to the destination 2 minutes earlier, though with *80% more fuel consumption than the other driver*.
Actually, I've always wondered about that, but had no way of testing it out!
I once watched a show about extreme penny pinchers. One episode depicted a man who spent about 3 hours a day riding his bicycle or walking around looking for dropped change around pay phones, gum ball dispensers, etc. The whole time I couldn't help but think that even a minimum-wage job would yield him more capital for his time, especially once you factor in bicycle tubes and shoes.
In general, people of this nature fail to realize that the benefits of having money is its positive influence on your quality of life. When your quality of life suffers in order to save money, you've completely reversed your priorities to a mind-boggling level.
This is a hobby for some elderly folks. Perhaps reliving an old past time joy of finding coins on the ground. I once found a $20 bill on the sidewalk. I was just walking, going about my day. I wasn't straining to meet quotas and multi-tasking. A minimum wage job, for the amount of work that you end up doing with little downtime, other than your required breaks, does not lead a great quality of life and the pay does not equal the time and efforts. IF I could make the same amount just walking and looking at the ground as I do at my current job I'd choose coin hunting. And the coins aren't taxed.
All construction.............do you want it done cheap? or do you want it done right?
When it’s done right, it’ll usually cost a lot less in the long term than when it’s done cheap.
Not going to the doctor/dentist!
Wellness checkups are important. Your prognosis will always be better if something is caught early on.
Surprised I haven't seen this yet; using third party hotel booking sites. The sites guarantee you a room and a price but not the type of room you requested. Calling the hotel directly will not only guarantee the room you want but often they beat the price of the websites. On my last trip a particular site favored by an Enterprise captain quoted $129 a night, when I called the hotel they gave me $79 a night.
I don't know where ur staying. I work at quality inn and we can't even match those sites nevermind beat them.
Doing the dishes by hand vs. using a dishwasher. The dishwasher requires a lot less water, time and energy.
Or in my case, doing the dishes by hand vs. not doing them at all (no dishwasher, and no space to install one).
If you're single/a childless couple, check out countertop dishwashers. Wish I'd had one in my old 13x15 converted bedroom studio (yay for cheap slumlords!). Zero counterspace to wash anything more than 1 plate at a time, but could've installed a reinforced shelf for a dishwasher like that.
Load More Replies...I have carers because I'm disabled and I always ask them to use the dishwasher (it's just me so I tell them to load it through the day and put it on eco mode over night so it's clean the next day and eco mode switches off when it's done too) as it's not only easier and better for the environment but I'm on a water meter as I'm not on mains water because I'm rural so it saves me a lot of money too! The number of times I have remind them to not wash up (often with the tap running full blast) constantly through the day and to use the dishwasher instead is crazy. Some I even have to show them evidence that the dishwasher used once over them hand washing multiple times is better for the environment is crazy. Not that it should matter anyway, they should do the way I request, I wouldn't mind but it's quicker for them too! I'm shocked how many people think hand washing is better water wise!
I'm disabled and sometimes I have really bad flares and the last thing I want is a week's worth of dishes powder be my kitchen sink because I haven't been able to do anything.
I worked with blind people - they found them invaluable too. If you can't see you can't be sure you've got all the food off when handwashing, sure that applies to dishwashers too but they ARE more reliable at it than a human!
Load More Replies...yeah. although in my case for a little while, the dishwasher was so rundown we had to a lot of the washing before hand.. glad i managed to convince my family to get a new one :,)
Why are people who hand wash their dishes so self-righteous about it? You do you, but there is no virtue in hand-washing versus using the dishwasher.
It MAY BE becos they're doing some 'physical work', standing at the sink, so might think they're putting more effort in. I'm not saying they're right.
Load More Replies...I love my dishwasher:) and I love cooking and even tho we are with the 4 of us somehow I will always be the one who does the dishes I found when my dishwasher was broken
Having seen the way some people wash up, under hot running water and a ton of soap, running a dishwasher probably is more economic. However, part fill a bowl (tub) in the sink, with a minimal amount of soap, it's possible to wash up for two people in a couple of minutes. The only time I use my dishwasher is after a party meal.
Or avoiding the eco-mode because it runs longer. Yes it indeed runs longer, but it uses cold water and heating water takes a lot more energy than running longer. It also still uses less water and since the dishes have more time to soak they come out cleaner and in the end you save money
Its mainly because it doesn't use a heated dry. Just open it up to dry when done.
Load More Replies...I've heard this over and over but I don't believe it. A lie spread by manufacturers. How can any factory made metal box with a motor compare to a bowl of water and your hands that never need replacing?
This link is one of many that explains how. https://www.cleanipedia.com/gb/sustainability/water-dishwasher-use.html
Load More Replies...I done both. I like the convenience of a dishwasher, but when I had to wash by hand they end bring cleaner than using a dishwasher.
not to mention some places have different prices prices for power and water depending on the time of day. many dishwashers have a delay timer so you can run them over night when you aren't paying as much as you would during peak times.
I live alone and it's so much easier to just wash up after each meal than to accumulate enough dirty dishes to run the dishwasher. That and pots and pans and knives can't go in the dishwasher so I'm still going to be hand washing things anyways.
I made sure the pots, pans and knives I have can go in the dishwasher! All the items I buy from cutlery to cooking utensils - even the parts of my mixers, blenders etc can all go in the dishwasher! Most manufacturers know that people want convenience. These days only my very little used expensive crystal gets washed by hand.
Load More Replies...How does a dishwasher use less energy then using no electricity at all? ;) (yes, I know what was meant)
But if you don't have one then you saved the several hundred quid required to buy one so you're still better off 😊
In some countries it's not an automatic thing, to have a dishwasher. I've never had one, and I only know one family that does. Everybody here does their dishes by hand.
the dishwasher is more expensive -cost of tablets versus dish soap salt tablet descaling and the electricity to he\t the water and drying
For goodness sake, please don't "rinse the dishes beforehand". This wastes the water the machine is intended to save. Scrape or wipe them. Most machines have a "hot rinse" that will flush off most of the food if the machine is not full enough to justify a proper wash just yet. The machine is not a "dish disinfectant" only, it is a DISH WASHER!! It's like taking a new car to the car wash: Stupid. Clean is CLEAN, porcelain and glass cannot get "Cleaner than clean", all you are doing is wasting the soap, since it really has no work to do. The pumps motors, and other parts however, are working as hard as they would with a bunch of dirty dishes ... think about that.
I'm not sure about time. My dishwasher cycle is about an hour long. I could wash and dry the dishes in 10mins! As for energy, My energy or the Electric bill?
Ah, but you're not standing there watching it while it does the work! You can go off and do something else. According to OVO, the energy company, a dishwasher uses less water AND less energy to heat the water, which means the carbon footprint of a dishwasher is actually smaller than if you wash by hand. Of course, you have to buy the dishwasher so there is the initial cost and if you don't run them full or use the least efficient programme... but do anything sloppily and you won't maximise the benefits! Here's the link: https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/dishwasher-vs-hand-washing
Load More Replies...I'm still confused as to how dishwashers save water? I am sure a dishwasher would use more water than my bowlful of hot water. The water I run off getting the hot goes in another bowl for rinsing.
Look at it like this, you're using that one bowlful for one batch of washing up (maybe a day's worth?). Now think about how much you can get in a dishwasher and ONLY use it when full. That's the comparison, not just the one or even two washing up sessions. If you ran it every time you did one washing up session, then no it really isn't going to be water efficient. I probably get 6 meals worth in my dishwasher, this includes a shedload of mugs, baking sheets, pots and pans. I run it every couple of days. That's a lot more water to add up and compare. To wash that amount in one go I'd have to change the washing up water a couple of times as it would be well grubby part-way. Then the final rinse. No matter how economical you are with the water it doesn't keep it smaller than one dishwasher run based on my own meter usage (as well as what the research apparently shows). I'm sure there are inefficient dishwashers but mine's pretty good on that score!
Load More Replies...I live alone and don't create a lot of dishes. It takes maybe ten minutes to put the clean dishes away and wash the dirty ones. The only time I use the dishwasher is when I do a major cooking/baking thing.
Unless it's just the two of you...it may take several weeks to fill the dishwasher, and run out of dishes before then.
Yet my daughters brand new dishwasher still doesn't get stuck on food as advertised. So yes we still rinse dishes first.
'Doesn't get stuck on food' that's good then, surely? I never have stuck on food either. Scrape the plates and that's enough. Some dishwashers have sensors that check how dirty the water is and will up the cleaning capacity and with that type you mustn't rinse, you will end up with a worse wash.
Load More Replies...I have an old house, no dishwasher, no room for one, so I am the dishwasher. That reminds me, I need to go do the dishes.
I doubt that is true. Or don't you have businesses like restaurants and hospitals? Also I would bet money that there are more than a couple dishwashers in your whole country.
Load More Replies...This depends on how many dishes you have, how dirty or difficult to remove the dirt is, what you're going to do with the time saved, and a bunch of other things that make it a stupidly specific suggestion.
But how much does it save if you factor in the cost of the soap used in hand washing vs dishwashing detergents
true dat , plus its more hygenic and stuff doesnt break or chip so easily
Unless someone is washing the dishes before putting it there. My ex had a grandma like that and it was so pointless
I was brought up doing dishes by hand. We never had a dishwasher, mom never had one growing up either and I really don't want one. My friend has one but doesn't get the dishes very clean.
I think this is usually predicated on the hand washing running the water non stop but if you put the plug in and use only one sink full it might be less. I have no idea how much water a wash cycle uses though, so can’t compare.
Japan homes don't normal have dish washers so i don't really have that option
What about when there is only two people who wash up once a day. With little water?
Depends on the dishwasher. And if you are using one sink to wash and one sink to rinse. Not running the water constantly to rinse, by hand is actually less water used. I know because we have a cistern to hold our drinking water. It holds 4200 litres of water and we refill it by trucked in water every 7-8 weeks. If we use the dishwasher on a daily basis for all of our dishes,, we lose a week's worth of water, than if we do the dishes by hand.
On the other hand, when you only have a few things to wash or when dealing with plastics such as Tupperware and the like, it's better to wash by hand. Dishwasher detergents tend to cause plastics to deteriorate.
In all the apartments I've ever lived in... none have ever had a dishwasher. :(
Never thought about it before, but wouldn’t washing them by hand take less water? We can do a full dinner’s worth of dishes in 20-25 minutes and even if the faucet of on the whole time, a dishwasher’s cycles are longer than that, yes?
I’ve been having a heck of a time with my dishwasher, for a couple years. Thought it was a piece of c**p! Wouldn’t get my dishes clean at all. Changed soaps, etc. Saw a Facebook video by a female technician who said to always put the soap in the dispenser. I scoffed! I had been told by the male technician it didn’t matter and to just throw it in the bottom. I’d been doing that. SHE said, all the soap goes down the drain when you do that. So I put it in the dispenser. 😮so pissed off. My dishes were clean, my dishwasher was clean!
I don't understand that"time part". You have to rinse dishes before you put them into the washer. It takes just a fraction more to wash them with the sponge. Water consumption? Well, it depends on how you wash the dishes, it can vary a lot. That is also connected with energy consumption. If you don't waste hot water, it's probably the same. On top of that, dishwasher pods are soo expensive. In my country, for a 2 months supply of pods, I can buy a year's worth of soap.
No, you don’t have to wash dishes before they go in the dishwasher. That was only true in the really early (1970s) models
Load More Replies...One of my best presents ever was a discwasher. Not only could I get things clean that was very difficult to do by hand, but it was ever so nice to just close the door on the dirty dishes, till the machine was full enough to start.
After a large family feast, I'll often but not always use the machine. Otherwise, when it's just the 2 of us, I prefer to hand-wash and use the machine as a drying rack. Using the machine after a simply dinner for 2 is, to me, not much different from using Alexa to turn the lights on.
Why are hand dish washers SO pious? I don’t care how you wash your dishes but I hate how condescending some hand washers are. Get over it!
When I do dishes, I have one sink (or less) full with water. I can't believe a dishwasher would use less.
What about all the extra money you end up spending to buy more dishes so you can fill up the dishwasher and avoiding doing any dishes at all? That's the problem I'm dealing with my husband and him putting everything in the dishwasher.
I have about exactly enough dishes to fill min3, a songle person. Works great.
Load More Replies...Doesn't this kind of depend on how many dishes you use...? If you have kids or entertain quite a bit.. and use tons of dishes... sure? My household, there are like.. 4 dishes to wash after meals.. maybe. So if you can FILL the dishwasher.. sure... it would take us about a week to fill the dishwasher at least.. and I think we might run out of dishes...
And stop buying those expensive all-in-one tablets as well as the salt and rinse-aid. Plain powder is just as good and a fraction of the price per wash.
My machine wasn't washing properly when I first got it - got an engineer out twice. The second guy got it right when he told me I HAD to use the all-one-tablets, as my machine was geared that way. I've had no trouble since switching, I can now always use the quickest setting (couldn't on powder) and it saves me buying the separate rinse aid, which I did find worked best in a previous machine. Plain powder also took the pattern of my mugs. I also use the all-in-ones in my washing machine as it's more effective at lower temperatures.
Load More Replies...Ehh... dishwashers are most efficient when the setting on the water heater is set to scalding (depending), which means higher prices and greater risk of injury if you don't have regulators installed. Plus, unless your dishwasher is full every time, it's still a waste. I've never used one or owned one, but I've read a lot about them in consideration of making the investment. In my experience if you're smart about it, you can save just as much with hand washing as with a dish washer.
How does it mean higher prices? Boilers heat water to a temperature that can scald, most people have them set so that you have to add cold to make it bearable. My cold fill dishwasher IS full every time I use it so no waste of water, and it uses the hot water's heat to dry. It is surprising how quickly they fill. Use every other day and plenty of time not stuck at the sink. I have a water meter and have gone to the trouble to personally check that my dishwasher uses less than I do, and I am not wasteful when washing by hand. If you wash up after every meal, or as you go, you will use more water. If you wash up at the end of the day you have a lot to do in one go. Still more water than a load every other day, and no it doesn't go mouldy. People claiming that are lying or leaving it a LOT longer.
Load More Replies...Depends on the size of the dish. A really big bowl, Tupperware, or the ceramic of a slow cooker...basically, anything with a capacity of upwards of half a gallon, you run the risk of it taking up that much more room in the dish washer, which displaces smaller dishes you will either have to wash by hand, or will need to run the dishwasher more frequently. However, if it's worth it to not have to do as many dishes by hand, it may be worth it. Time is money, after all.
Fair point if you have a small dishwasher. Mine takes saucepans and my slow cooker pot easily. The dishwasher has a spray arm top and bottom so they don't block the water jetting around the machine. It is just being sensible with how you place items, in my machine it is recommended that heavily soiled items go in the bottom. Let's be honest, if you have multiple large items you have to change the washing up water at least once as it gets dirty so that doesn't use less water. I use my dishwasher every other day mostly but sometimes, if I have cooked a lot, I can fill it that day. Hotter than I can do by hand as well as water efficient. It does free up time as you say. It broke down during the pandemic and they were only coming out for washing machines at the time... oh, I missed it!! Plus my water usage went up.
Load More Replies...Our household is my missus and me. We have a tiny kitchen and the idea that a dishwasher is more economical is laughable - plus a waste of space 🙂
It IS more economical load for load. You know, it isn't an 'idea' it is a proven reality. You have to compare a full dishwasher. Just me and my husband and we fill it every other day easily. Time taken washing up, now that's a waste to me!! As for space, I have a large kitchen and so have room. There would be a gap if I got rid of the dishwasher. I could put a cupboard in I suppose but I don't need another cupboard and I love the time freed up by my dishwasher and my reduced water bill. Not a waste of space if you have it.
Load More Replies...But the dishwasher ruins everything! I live where the water is so hard .
You MUST adjust the machine based on your area's water hardness and you can use better dishwasher tablets that don't harm glassware etc. If you don't do it right, sure, you can ruin anything. I live in a hard water area right now, I have lived in softer... never ruined anything in a dishwasher.
Load More Replies...Depends how many people live in household. One person does not fill dishwasher so easily as five people.
Si you run it every 5 days when its full, like me.
Load More Replies...Dishwashing by hand soothes arthritis pain. Takes longer, might take more water, but worth it.
Perhaps that depends on type and level. My sister suffered juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and her hands are malformed. She drops plates and breaks glasses etc. She finds her dishwasher an absolute essential. Oh, just remembered as I wrote!! So did my husband's granny. Her poor hands were distorted. Not easy for some and dishwashers can be a boon.
Load More Replies...It depends on how you do the dishes. If you waste water leaving the faucet open all the time (common in the US) yes you will spend more. On the other hand, most people in the US uses a lot of water washing --it's more than just a rinse-- the dishes before putting them in the dish washer.
Two person household, do dishes twice a day (breakfast and lunch together, dinner). Never takes more than 15 minutes. If you do not have a built-in dishwasher, you will have a portable. Find a space for it to stay. When you do dishes, wheel it to the sink, hook it to the faucet. Be sure it's secure. My mother didn't once, hose flew off - water everywhere, mess to clean up. I don't own enough dishes only use it every other day, and don't have enough dirty dishes to use it daily. Way more time and trouble than doing by hand.
If you're The Brady Bunch, sure. But for a fam of two who know how to wash as they go when cooking and wash and rinse plates DIRECTLY after using them (we have no interest in "sink biology experiments" in my house), then this just sounds like lazy malarky.
I just looked at my water usage online, no effort involved, and saw I used more by handwashing... as I went or in one go at the end of the day. Just the two of us and a dishwasher run every other day, was very time freeing. Why are people so bothered by 'lazy'?? So you use no time saving devices at all? You know, like a washing machine, a microwave maybe, or a vacuum cleaner? Perhaps you are rubbing two sticks together, making fire and cooking your food outside on a spit? Modern isn't always bad you know.
Load More Replies...Dishwashers are not a necessity I've managed 51 years without one and I'm doing ok
No, not a necessity but, as the post says, it saves drastically on water and energy.
Load More Replies...Add in: RINSE PLATES ETC BEFORE U PUT IT IN! U won’t like digging into a clogged dishwasher lol
Unless you're my mother, who insists on removing all for on every dish, before it is put in the dishwasher...
Some dishwashers have sensors that test how dirty the water gets from the first stage, too clean and it will do a lesser job. So the theory goes. Mine doesn't have such fancy stuff so I just scrape off the worst and it does a lovely job every time. Though I only run it when full.
Load More Replies...You do a sink and let that sink soak in very hot for 20 minutes then it only takes about two gallons of water to wash and rinse
Research has proven this one so I don't get why people don't read it and stop second guessing it. Soak for 20 minutes then the water is too cold, so do you replenish it? So you can then scrub the residue off in hot water? Not very hygienic otherwise. Rinsing alone won't cut it at this stage. What about when you have a lot to wash and the water gets grimy? Don't you ever change it so you aren't washing up in food residues? I'd hope so, but you are using more water that way. Yet THAT would be the comparison to make - load for load. You can't compare a small washing up session that only needs one bowl! That is why many do a full dishwasher run every other day, it is efficient. Dishwashers are hotter as well so much more hygienic.
Load More Replies...Not here. The cost of running (a reasonably new) DW vs the sink is quite high.
Nope, same everywhere no matter what the water cost.
Load More Replies...I used our dishwasher as a teaching aid: by not using it, I taught our kids some basic responsibility and the need to contribute by doing chores. Used it so seldom the kids thought of it as mostly a drying rack. Even today, it's rarely used--there's just the 2 of us now, and it seem silly to run that thing through a 1-hour cycle for so few dishes, when I can hand-wash in 15r minutes and it requires almost NO energy. Also, unlike my cooking attempts, which are mostly so-so, washing the dishes offers me the chance to score a triumph 6 nights out of 7 (on the seventh day, I rest and my wife uses the machine).
This only makes a difference if you live with a larger family (instead of, say, just with a partner), own and wash a lot of dishes (I don't), and do the dishes in hot water (I don't). Yeah, I bet I could wash dishes in a way that makes this true, but as a blanket statement like this, it's just patently unture.
Nope, not if you wait to fill the dishwasher before running it. I live alone.
Load More Replies...I seriously doubt that - you only save enery/money by using a dishwasher if you would use running warm water for doing the dishes by hand. If, on the other hand, you use a sink full of warm water, you can actually clean a lot more dishes in there than in a dishwasher. AND: You have to give used plates at least a cursory rinse to avoid overwhelming the dishwasher, hence water savings are doubtful here, either.
Read the research then, why live with doubt?! There is plenty out there that has proven dishwashers to be more efficient. Remember it is based on a FULL dishwasher. I only run mine full. No way is washing the equivalent load by hand going to use less water. Unless you only use one bowl and wash up in water full of residue, yuk. Dishwashers are HOT and get things much cleaner than by hand as well. I do not rinse, used plates get a scrape over the bin if necessary. Again, you do need to be doubtful and go by your own theories - you can look it up and read the tests done and have some knowledge.
Load More Replies...If you wash dishes by filling a basin with hot soapy water or filling one side of a 2 basin sink, turn off the water, wash the dishes then placed the dishes outside the basin or in the other sink, then rinse and put in dish rack to dry, you will save water and time.
One sinks worth isn't the equivalent of a full dishwasher load. That's the point. You would need more than one sinks worth of water for the wash stage to do an equivalent full dishwasher load and now, with rinsing, we are definitely using more water than the dishwasher. Let alone the time saving. People aren't comparing like for like. I run my dishwasher every other day and my water bill dropped when I got it. Yet I washed up like you describe in my double sink.
Load More Replies...Now I am single washing by hand is better. Dishes left in the dishwasher for more than a day get stained with mould 😫. Plus it warms me up in the winter 😆
Dishwashers rarely mess up, if they do it is usually user error eg not keeping the filter clean (as you would do in a washing machine). Do you wash your clothes by hand for the same reason?
Load More Replies...I'm gonna quibble on this, since we do ours by hand. if we waited till we had a dishwasher full load, with just 2 people? We'd have some nassssty dishes in there. And it depends on the washer, etc. We use less than a gallon a day; the best dishwashers can still use up to four gallons a load.
I'm a family of two and somehow manage to struggle to get it all in my dishwasher by the end of the day... though I cook from scratch and bake a lot. Oh, and have two dogs! Maybe that's part of the reason! Obviously, I'm not going to argue with your personal situation, you know that best, but basing it on averages and using a full dishwasher there are many sites that provide the same basic information as this one: https://www.cleanipedia.com/gb/sustainability/water-dishwasher-use.html
Load More Replies...Make all the choices you want for yourself, but don't be an a*****e and call everyone else lazy. Also, a dishwasher does save water and time, so you're wrong there.
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When it comes to tools, buy nice or cry twice.
I saw a popular comment here a couple weeks ago talking about reusing those little handwarmer packet things by slicing them open and adding more magnesium flakes obtained by shaving down sparklers.
For f**k's sake, just buy some new handwarmers.
I knew a fellow who owned one of the most expensive houses in town, but was too cheap to run his swimming pool filter except when he was actually swimming. With virtually no filtration, the water would get thick with debris and algae. He would then by stuff to kill the algae, but then he would have water full of dead algae. And the crud would stiff on the pool bottom, making it very hard to clean off. He spent way more on chemicals than he would have spent on electricity. The owner of this cement pond was a retired rocket scientist.
i have always been told that the smarter a person is, the less common sense… because they’re focused on their whatever
Cheap condoms
i went to greggs, a well known bakery in the UK. I bought a sandwhich and a drink. as i went to pay, the guy offered me the meal deal. "a sandwhich a drink and crips (chips) for only £1.99. a sandwhich and a drink was £1.59. the sandwhich was £1 and the drink was 59p. by themselves, crisps (chips) were 20p but as part of the meal deal they were 40p. this means that the SPECIAL MEAL DEAL OFFER was more expensive than buying each item individually. CLEVER F*CK***
Heating and air-conditioning. Being uncomfortable, irritable, and unproductive isn't worth the few hundred dollars you save by lowering the heat or not turning on the AC.
Depends. You don't need an industrial central air conditioning system in a tiny bungalow, as my my ex's parents installed. They like to be freezing in the summer. Nor does it have to be sweltering in your home in the winter. And they don't need to be kept on all the time.
In many cases, buying a name-brand product with a coupon is *still* more expensive than buying the store-brand. Or, buying something just because it's on sale, but not necessarily because you need it.
Mobile phone contracts with a free iPhone etc. You think you're getting a good deal with a free phone but with 35 pounds a month contact for 2 years, they really screw you.
Buying heavily used cars, sometimes. There are exceptions, but all of my friends who religiously buy the cheapest car they can find are always having trouble. Very expensive trouble, that sometimes adds up to close to the cost of a new car, or at least a better maintained used car.
Believe it or not, some people would like to buy a new car, but can't afford one. Crazy, I know.
Travel and times: A lot of people take the cheapest flight they can find, but to me, saving 50 bucks on a $500 ticket isn't worth a 7am flight or a red eye.
"Buying that rent-to-own laptop Consumer Reports checked out is equivalent to paying 311% interest, which is far worse than the 30% interest rate you see on crummy credit cards.
Buying a big cheap house far from your common destinations. You will pay with time, petrol, housework, sleep, your relationships, and/or career Instead: 1.Buy or rent a small house with a 10-30 minute commute. 2. Let happiness ensue.
Home brewing beer. It's a wonderful hobby and I highly recommend it, but don't think you're going to save money.
My ex like to make apple cider moonshine. He had to buy mason jars and a s**t ton of alcohol, apple juice and whatnot. Thought he was going to make all these underground sales from his friends. Pfft. He sold nothing and I got to keep most of the mason jars. Those come in handy for many things.
Extended warranty You think you are saving cash on the off chance the product you bought doesn't hold on and you need repairs, but I don't know anybody who has ever been happy about this choice On the opposite end of the spectrum, car insurance for rental cars. My father and his colleagues used to travel the world and rent cars for several weeks at a time. It would only take one car accident in all those years of renting cars to justify the cost. Many of these rentals were for off-road use. The rookies thought to save cash passing on the insurance and would eventually shell out thousands on repair
Cloth diapers. You still have to buy special (expensive) detergent, and run so many loads in the washing machine. I worked it out when we started cloth diapering 3+ years ago, and it cost the same as if we just did disposable diapers.
Plus all the TIME put into washing/drying/assembling.
I like cloth diapering, I do recommend it, but I hate when it gets lauded as a cheap alternative.
(Edit: Yes, really, you do have to use specially formulated detergent. You don't? That's cool. Your diapers are getting build up of both ammonia and detergent. Good luck with that smell and the leaks, and that is coming from experience.
Also, nowhere did I mention the upfront cost of the diapers themselves. When I talk about price, I'm talking about water and electricity bills.)
people don't do cloth diapers for the nonexistent convenience or the not-so-cheap price. they do it because it's more sustainable & better for the environment, & usually far more comfortable for the baby.
Being cheap with anything you’re going to use a lot or over a long time. Better to spend $180 on a single frying pan that will last 10+ years than buy a $40 frying pan each and every year because they c**p out so easily no matter how careful you are with them. This metaphor, of course, fits the bill for almost any frying pan that is non-stick or costs less that $100 to begin with.
Leasing a car instead of buying one. I'm not gonna get into the specifics but it's pretty much always more costly
Only if you plan on keeping your car for longer that's two/three years. But if you plan on getting a new car every couple of years then paying only the depreciation seems like a better deal. But if you keep your car for 5-10 years... then buying is definitely cheaper. Longer than 10... might start looking at costly repairs.
Justifying the purchase of anything solely because it's a "good deal." I hear this misconception all the time. If you spend $100 on shoes, even if you bought it at 99% off, you're still out $100. You haven't saved a penny, and that'll be a real problem if you needed that $100 to pay your utility bills. Edit: clarity and $10,000 shoes. http://www.luxist.com/2010/02/26/louis-vuitton-offers-10-000-alligator-wingtips/
It's all in the intended budget of what you were planning on spending. If you're expecting to buy $200 shoes and had allowed room in the budget or saved for them, and then the shoes are found to be $100 on sale, then, yes, you saved $100.
Professional home repair services. Real companies have insurance, you can sue if things go wrong. Some handyman that someone knows is likely going to do something that violates a warranty, will be judgement proof, and won't get a permit.
I do construction defect claims and this is partly true. A contractor's work product is not covered by insurance. That's if you hire a guy to install Windows and they are defective, insurance does not cover the replacement of defective windows. Not unless they are installed in such a way they cause damage to other parts of the home. I.e. Leaks and damages the interior drywall
People with flex fuel vehicles buying E85 instead of gasoline. The reduced mileage you get out of E85 eats up any saving you get at the pump.
I know people that skip going to the doctor until the last minute to save the office visit payments. It's a terrible idea since by the time they get there the simple cold turns into pneumonia and costs much more to heal.
bad example. going to the doctor for a cold is a waste of time & money. there's no cure for a cold, nothing the doctor can do other than say "you have a cold." so if someone has a cold, yeah they're gonna wait until it turns into something bad to get help; it would've been a needless expense & it's not like they could've known beforehand that this particular cold would be pneumonia...
Not paying off your mortgage to save the tax breaks... While it is nice to save taxes, the long term financial benefits are astronomical when you free up a mortgage payment.
Completely stupid assertion because it obviously depends a lot on the situation. If the interest rate is very high and the property value not increasing then yeah, pay it off early if you can. If you have a low rate, if the value is plummeting, if you use the extra money to invest in anything with better returns then no, don’t pay it off early and keep it for as long as you’re in the second situation. Never heard of leverage or gearing?
Dining Plans at college. I literally could go out to eat for every meal for the price of them. And I often did. I saved a ton of money because I don't eat that much/snack more often .
Supermarket specials. Next time you go shopping, grab a calculator and work out the cost per 100 grams (or whatever equivalent weight) and you'll almost invariably find that the products with the big 'Sale!' signs are not the cheapest. Of course it's impractical to do this with every item so you can of course estimate, or shop at a store that all ready has the cost per 100 grams of the price tag like I do.
In Germany (or the entire EU?) the store needs to put the price per 100g on each item, so you can easily compare.
Shaving with a straight razor. It's a larger down-payment to start into it (simple but nice razor, strop, and brush cost me about $100), but I recouped that in less than a year just by not buying more cartridges. In theory, a razor will last pretty much forever, for free. Here's the problem, though. I nicked my blade and had to repair it, so I bought about $80 worth of reworking stuff (much less than I could have spent). Then I bought a fancy 1930's blade and restored it. Then I bought a better brush, and a better stop, and a better shave mug, etc. I started because it appealed to my practical side. Then it quickly became a ritualistic money hole.
You could also split the difference and buy a double edge razor, where you just need to replace the blades, which are cheap.
A $5 pair of sneakers is not a deal, no matter what your wallet says. Maybe consider them if you only need shoes for another month...
$5 isn't gonna be great quality, but most $20-30 shoes are just as good as $100-200 shoes. so don't go to the other extreme either. depends what type of shoe & how much use you'll get out of them. i've been wearing a $30 pair of off-brand converse that i actually got for half price at $15. they've lasted five years & counting, & they're my go-to everyday shoes.
Where I work, we do price adjustments on products that have gone on sale since the customer purchased them. Most of the time, the refund isn't worth the amount of time, energy, and gas the customer uses driving to the store.
I can't even imagine making the effort to go get the adjustment. It's on sale now and I bought it last week? Oh well. My bad timing.
Steam sales. You think all these games are a great deal, but you end up playing very few of them and proceed to buy new games you would buy anyways. Remember, you didn't save $7.50, you spent $2.50.
Stopping at Costco for just one thing because its cheaper than the grocery store. Sure I save 3 dollars on the initial item that I went in to get, but the bill at the till always seems to average 400 bucks.
Lol this is dumb. I get that it's easy to spend a fortune at Costco (I love costco) but I regularly go in for a couple things and spend less than $50
Cheap legal services.
A good lawyer that takes 3hrs at $300 an hour will do a much better job far cheaper than a shitty lawyer that takes 5hrs at $200 to do the same job.
This is partly why good lawyers are so expensive - because they're cheaper.
People overinflate the hell out of their tires to get better gas mileage, then have to spend much more to get new tires when they wear out far sooner.
Don't mess with air pressure in tires period. Those numbers are not just a suggestion. It may cost you more than just a new set of tires. Does not matter what your dad's nephew's uncle's hairdresser's dog's ex roommate said, keep your tires properly inflated. Also the air you put in tires is already 78% nitrogen, don't pay for the other 22%. Edit: Sorry for any confusion. I am referring to paying for 100% nitrogen in your tires.
Rewards points. You are paying for them.
Not necessarily true. I’ve had a rewards points credit card for 10 years now, and they haven’t gotten a dime out of me. My card carries absolutely no fees, and no interest because I pay it off every month. I get the convenience of paying by card vs cash, and I receive between $200 - $400 back each year in Amazon gift cards. (I purchase from Amazon anyway, so it’s as good as money in my pocket). If you have the discipline to pay off your credit card every month, you can be the person credit card companies hate.
Restaurant specials. It's rarely cheaper and it's typically food that is about to go bad and needs to be sold instead of thrown out.
But then people complain when food is thrown out, and if it's still good enough to be consumed without much difference then it's all good.
Hybrids. Sure, you save $200-$500 dollars a year on gas costs. But every 5-10 years you will have to replace the battery pack, which can go from anywhere from $2,500 to as much as $6,000, especially on some of the new electric cars with larger packs. Not to mention the initial bump in price you pay with most hybrids. You add a small cost for low rolling resistance tires every time you change them. Furthermore, the so called point of a hybrid car is saving the environment. The materials used in hybrid cars, specifically the batteries and other components that require rare earth elements, not only require more energy, but put out more harmful types of chemicals than traditional processes. The story gets worse if you go with a plug in hybrid, as 60% of wall power comes from coal plants, a less cleaning fuel than gasoline.
pretty much everything that's bought in bulk. "Oh hey, if I buy like 30 of these jars of peanut butter instead of just 1, then I could get them for only 1 dollar each, instead of the 1.50 that they usually are." Yes, but you'll end up wasting/not eating all that peanut butter and you just wasted a ton of money.
Insisting that a $15 subscription to an MMO makes it "too expensive". Ok, this isn't necessarily a false frugality, because in order for you save money by playing an MMO you'd have to do it instead of other things, but if you realistically look at the cost of entertainment it pans out it's an incredibly cheap choice. Going to see a movie for 2 hours? that's 15 bucks easily right there, if you go all out of concessions it can easily run you 20+. Night out? Easily 50-100 bucks depending on what you eat, drink and do. When all is said and done, 15 bucks for a whole month of access to a game is an incredibly good deal if that game entertains you. Of course if you have no desire to play an MMO you can't save money by becoming a WoW shut-in, but you'd be surprised how many gamers are out there who say stuff like "I want to try *PopularMMO* , but the subscription is too expensive", and then follow it up with "Let's go see *RecentMovieRelase*, it's probably a bad movie, but I have nothing to do on saturday night".
I don't want to start a circlejerk, but, console gaming. By building a gaming PC for ~$800(including a keyboard and mouse) you can get a mid range rig that will last you a console generation of gaming. Yeah, you're spending about $300 more on the console, but you don't have to pay for online gaming. It covers the need of a PC for school, work, and general personal use. You'll save a lot of money on games, and, when the next gen of consoles come out, you'll already have a case, cooling, PSU, RAM, optical drive, and HDD or SDD. The only things you'll need to upgrade to keep up with next gen are GPU, and CPU (and maybe motherboard depending on socket type changes). Which will only cost about $300-$400 to get your rig back up to par.
i'll preface this by saying i'm a PC gamer through and through, but it's in no way, shape or form more cost effective than a console. When consoles are offering 4k/120hz, to get that out of a gpu you need to drop at least $700 in the US (and closer to $1200 in the EU) to push those frames you need at least a $3-$400 CPU, then to mitigate stuttering you need 32 gigs of ram (another $1-200) A decent motherboard that can handle that CPU now run $350-$1200. You want the same fast load times as the console? NVME, $1-150 a terabyte. Than of course you need a data drive and something to keep those 200 gig call of duty installs on, $50 for a two terabyte drive, or $250 for 10 terabyte. To keep all this stuff powered up you need a strong PSU, 1000w+ that's another $150 for an 80% efficient gold. You want 4k HDR 120hz display that's good for work and gaming? $700 more. Good mechanical keyboard $1-200, gaming mouse $60-$150. Don't forget the cooler for the CPU, $80-$100 for an air cooler.
Sounds like a wealthy person that has no idea what it's like to be poor. I disagreed with most of the examples they gave.
Agree. I’d like to see the math behind some of these claims.
Load More Replies...We also need to consider how saving money is much easier when you already have some. Yes, good-quality products are costly and save you more money in the long run. But if someone is poor, they can't afford to buy the more efficient product. And they have to buy the cheap, low quality one, changing it often and being forced to waste money. Financial wisdom is useless if you don't have the money to apply it
Have you read Terry Pratchett? Look up Vimes’ boots theory of economics
Load More Replies...Several of these rely on the assumption that poor people can just - for example - spend 100 dollars once a year instead of 20 dollars every month. But always remember Captain Samuel Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness: A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
One thing I read that makes a lot of sense is that if you can afford a quality pair or jeans (example) that fit well and you know you’ll wear them often, the math can pencil it out for less cost per wear than something that doesn’t fit well you don’t enjoy wearing. I wear my Birkenstocks almost daily until they are literally falling to pieces ever 3-5 years so I feel ok splurging on a new pair when I need one. This only works if you do t get the poorly fitting ones too.
If your winters are extreme, please invest in good, good coat and boots, if possible.
Buy a good bed...not a cheap one. You will spend at least a third of your life in it, after all. It may take awhile to save up the money, but it will be worth it.
I had a much younger roommate awhile back, and I remember him explaining to me that he would rather drive to his dads house to fill up his tires for free than do it at a gas station for a couple dollars. I pointed out that his dad lives 20 miles away, so he'd be spending 40 miles of gas money to save that couple dollars...but his expression stayed blank...
Didn't see Black Friday mentioned. I mean, there are definitely deals but very often there are also "deals" that, if one kept an eye open throughout the year, are not actually new or even a deal. Another one is those "going out of business sales", where everything gets discounted... Except, it's often over the initial suggested price. I've seen things being sold at prices higher than they were at a competitor that was still in business, yet people thought they actually got a deal out of it. Guess I should say: look around, don't blindly buy based on that one discount.
"High interest savings account" Banks in my area pay One Cent per One thousand $$ per month
People who have the money to buy a gas heating system in their home, but choose to remain on firewood heating because "the gas central is very expensive, wood is cheaper". However, on the long term, wood is usually more expensive
Wood burning is also catastrophic for air quality, both inside and outside the home.
Load More Replies...Dr Phil, before he got Jerry Springerish and I quit watching him, did a show on tightwads who were costing themselves more in man hours, if not actual money, by doing such things as going from one fast food place to another, stealing packets of mustard and catsup and squeezing them into an old store bought bottle. It would take him two hours to gather the packs and fill one bottle. At $5 and hour which was minimum wage at the time, he was expending $10 to save $2.50.
Susie that's true, but some people have more time than they know what to do with. Maybe they don't care about minimum wage.
Load More Replies...How about supermarkets that add barbecue rubs to meet. Don't buy it, that meats going bad!!!!
For the first time EVER I have a dishwasher and I have only used it 3xs I used to say if I had one I'd never wash them again- so much for that one lol
many examples had nothing to do with frugality. Learn to assess marketing critically and spend wisely.
further to my earlier comment re EVs. The batteries are now guaranteed for 7 years. Also we have ZERO service costs as there is no oil, no spark plugs, no radiator coolant, required be to replaced at scheduled times, so to state that EV cars are more damaging does not factor in the consideration of the toxic substances an ICE car needs o have replaced at every service. We still have another car which is a diesel fueled ICE and the last fill for 3/4 of a tank was $AU 93. As an owner of an EV with solar panels and home batteries I am happy with my choice.
The last comment about EV cars is completely out of date in December 2024. Most EV owners in Australia have multiple solar arrays and at least one storage battery. We have a roof full of solar panels and two batteries. We get next to nothing feed in tariff for what we send to the grid. We have had a solely EV car for 8 months now and only twice have paid to top it up at a recharge station. Both times the cost to top up was under half the price of an ICE car needing a petrol fill.
Poor people know that being poor is expensive. We need things now but can't afford a good one so we get what we can. And the result is endlessly replacing crappy stuff and never getting to have nice things. Look up the Vimes boots theory of economic inequality.
People, for the most part, these are general examples, not specific to your particular situation, and yes, subject to some caveats, but most of the replies start "not always". No, not always. And, yes, it's also true that sometimes you don't have the money for the better stuff, no matter how much is saves in the long run. I still wouldn't throw out a lot of these suggestions.
Check youtube for extreme cheapskates (especially look for title: cooks lasagna in the dishwasher)
I encourage you all to join me for “NO BUY JULY”!! For just one month, don’t buy ANYTHING but essentials (food and gas, etc) Borrow big items, clothes for special occasions, etc from friends: If you absolutely need something, buy it second hand, or with old gift cards (I save mine up for lean months). Cook at home, and forgo the delivery services. Many low Income households live this way, and it’s pretty eye opening to see how much you don’t really need.
I encourage *you* to join me for 'stop telling other people how you think they should live summer*! Simply stop 'inviting' people to 'join you' for various things to change how they live. It's pretty eye opening to see how much advice you don't really need.
Load More Replies...Sounds like a wealthy person that has no idea what it's like to be poor. I disagreed with most of the examples they gave.
Agree. I’d like to see the math behind some of these claims.
Load More Replies...We also need to consider how saving money is much easier when you already have some. Yes, good-quality products are costly and save you more money in the long run. But if someone is poor, they can't afford to buy the more efficient product. And they have to buy the cheap, low quality one, changing it often and being forced to waste money. Financial wisdom is useless if you don't have the money to apply it
Have you read Terry Pratchett? Look up Vimes’ boots theory of economics
Load More Replies...Several of these rely on the assumption that poor people can just - for example - spend 100 dollars once a year instead of 20 dollars every month. But always remember Captain Samuel Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness: A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
One thing I read that makes a lot of sense is that if you can afford a quality pair or jeans (example) that fit well and you know you’ll wear them often, the math can pencil it out for less cost per wear than something that doesn’t fit well you don’t enjoy wearing. I wear my Birkenstocks almost daily until they are literally falling to pieces ever 3-5 years so I feel ok splurging on a new pair when I need one. This only works if you do t get the poorly fitting ones too.
If your winters are extreme, please invest in good, good coat and boots, if possible.
Buy a good bed...not a cheap one. You will spend at least a third of your life in it, after all. It may take awhile to save up the money, but it will be worth it.
I had a much younger roommate awhile back, and I remember him explaining to me that he would rather drive to his dads house to fill up his tires for free than do it at a gas station for a couple dollars. I pointed out that his dad lives 20 miles away, so he'd be spending 40 miles of gas money to save that couple dollars...but his expression stayed blank...
Didn't see Black Friday mentioned. I mean, there are definitely deals but very often there are also "deals" that, if one kept an eye open throughout the year, are not actually new or even a deal. Another one is those "going out of business sales", where everything gets discounted... Except, it's often over the initial suggested price. I've seen things being sold at prices higher than they were at a competitor that was still in business, yet people thought they actually got a deal out of it. Guess I should say: look around, don't blindly buy based on that one discount.
"High interest savings account" Banks in my area pay One Cent per One thousand $$ per month
People who have the money to buy a gas heating system in their home, but choose to remain on firewood heating because "the gas central is very expensive, wood is cheaper". However, on the long term, wood is usually more expensive
Wood burning is also catastrophic for air quality, both inside and outside the home.
Load More Replies...Dr Phil, before he got Jerry Springerish and I quit watching him, did a show on tightwads who were costing themselves more in man hours, if not actual money, by doing such things as going from one fast food place to another, stealing packets of mustard and catsup and squeezing them into an old store bought bottle. It would take him two hours to gather the packs and fill one bottle. At $5 and hour which was minimum wage at the time, he was expending $10 to save $2.50.
Susie that's true, but some people have more time than they know what to do with. Maybe they don't care about minimum wage.
Load More Replies...How about supermarkets that add barbecue rubs to meet. Don't buy it, that meats going bad!!!!
For the first time EVER I have a dishwasher and I have only used it 3xs I used to say if I had one I'd never wash them again- so much for that one lol
many examples had nothing to do with frugality. Learn to assess marketing critically and spend wisely.
further to my earlier comment re EVs. The batteries are now guaranteed for 7 years. Also we have ZERO service costs as there is no oil, no spark plugs, no radiator coolant, required be to replaced at scheduled times, so to state that EV cars are more damaging does not factor in the consideration of the toxic substances an ICE car needs o have replaced at every service. We still have another car which is a diesel fueled ICE and the last fill for 3/4 of a tank was $AU 93. As an owner of an EV with solar panels and home batteries I am happy with my choice.
The last comment about EV cars is completely out of date in December 2024. Most EV owners in Australia have multiple solar arrays and at least one storage battery. We have a roof full of solar panels and two batteries. We get next to nothing feed in tariff for what we send to the grid. We have had a solely EV car for 8 months now and only twice have paid to top it up at a recharge station. Both times the cost to top up was under half the price of an ICE car needing a petrol fill.
Poor people know that being poor is expensive. We need things now but can't afford a good one so we get what we can. And the result is endlessly replacing crappy stuff and never getting to have nice things. Look up the Vimes boots theory of economic inequality.
People, for the most part, these are general examples, not specific to your particular situation, and yes, subject to some caveats, but most of the replies start "not always". No, not always. And, yes, it's also true that sometimes you don't have the money for the better stuff, no matter how much is saves in the long run. I still wouldn't throw out a lot of these suggestions.
Check youtube for extreme cheapskates (especially look for title: cooks lasagna in the dishwasher)
I encourage you all to join me for “NO BUY JULY”!! For just one month, don’t buy ANYTHING but essentials (food and gas, etc) Borrow big items, clothes for special occasions, etc from friends: If you absolutely need something, buy it second hand, or with old gift cards (I save mine up for lean months). Cook at home, and forgo the delivery services. Many low Income households live this way, and it’s pretty eye opening to see how much you don’t really need.
I encourage *you* to join me for 'stop telling other people how you think they should live summer*! Simply stop 'inviting' people to 'join you' for various things to change how they live. It's pretty eye opening to see how much advice you don't really need.
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