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Acting like a "lady", smiling at strangers while walking down the street, looking like you just stepped out of a magazine cover — these are just a few things society assumes women want to do every day. Of course, it would be wrong to say that expectations for women haven’t changed in recent years. They certainly have, and for the better. But there’s still plenty of room for improvement.
Rubbergloves44 asked women of Reddit to share some of the outdated things they are expected to live up to, and they delivered. More than a thousand comments flooded the thread with subtle and not-so-subtle ways people set ridiculous presumptions about female behavior.
Whether it’s believing all women want children or need to be devoted to their lousy husbands, Bored Panda has selected some of the best answers from the thread. Upvote our favorites as you go, and let us know in the comments the outdated beliefs you personally think need to change right away.
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#1
Policing the way women dress instead of policing the way men react to it
Susan Green 3 years ago
This is true. Rape has nothing to do with wanting sex, it’s an act of violence.
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Ranger Kanootsen 3 years ago
I'm a man but I completely agree. Men who tell women that they "asked" to be sexually abused because of what they were wearing can f**k off.
Karoline Constance Dahl 3 years ago
Well done you then good sir coz I am a feminist who's been feeling very low.. you just restored my faith in men a lil bit more thank you
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Aski Markup 3 years ago
They hate it when we wear too little, they hate it when we wear too much...
Paul Davis 3 years ago
Could they in any way tell you might possibly be female?? Well then there's your problem...don't do that! Better yet, never go outside at all, ever!
Karoline Constance Dahl 3 years ago
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Wise beauty 3 years ago
Omg are those *gasp* SPAGHETTI STRAPS!!!!! Principals office, NOW!
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LynzCatastrophe 3 years ago
How you feel is not my problem. But how you express that feeling is going to cause YOU a lot of problems.
Carter 3 years ago
There is still common decency to dress appropriately depending on the venue. That goes for all people, men included. I won't wear tank tops when i go out to eat and I always put a shirt on when I walk into a convenience store: I live in Florida and men always in 7-11 shirtless. Gross
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#2
Automatically assuming all women enjoy, want and will have children.
Kate Jones 3 years ago
Or acting like they are failures if they don't have them. Parents are bad for this. I would have liked to have a baby but I'm single and I can't afford it on my own. And I'm not going to pair up with a guy just to make that happen. I'm comfortable enough being alone that I'm not desperate. So it just never happened for me. I'm 43 now and I'm sort of settled in my life with not having that. I'm a little sad about it but I'm not, like, *that* upset. When I see people with their kids I'm usually grateful I didn't have them because I feel too selfish with my time at this point to be a good mother. But to my parents it's like my entire life has been a waste or something. They always act like it's a personal affront against them that I didn't 'give them' grandchildren. Like I'm some sad old maid.
Anyone-for-tea? 3 years ago
I hear you Kate! My mother was introducing my sister, her husband and me to someone, "this is my daughter Beth, and her husband Paul, her is my other daughter Lara, she's not married" I had literally got back from Afghanistan days before and that was the most interesting thing my mother could think of, that I WASN'T married! 🤣 (*not our real names!)
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Mercy Wanjiru 3 years ago
I'm going to be an aunt soon...I know am going to absolutely adore my little niece...I just know that's not something I want for myself though...I've known for a while now...❤❤❤
Chinmayee Kalghatgi 3 years ago
I wish the best of luck and happiness to you and your family
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Vicky Z 3 years ago (edited)
I recently mentioned that to a woman and she told me oh yes this has become trendy now!! Not wanting children apparently is not a choice is something that is in right now! I currently enjoy high waist pants and no kids! What's your trend today girls? (People don't get my sarcasm here right? And how I was annoyed that someone is thinking that not wanting children is trendy🙄)
stacyh 3 years ago
I don’t know that it’s necessarily trendy, but I think women are just finally comfortable saying that they don’t want kids. Some people get very judgmental and uncomfortable with women who choose to not have kids.
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Sherman Von Gee 3 years ago
If I had a dollar for everytime I had to tell my family that I DO NOT WANT KIDS and that I WILL NOT BE HAVING KIDS.. only for them all to say "you'll change your mind soon enough... every woman WANTS kids..." .... no aunty. I'm 29 years old. My husband and I have been married for nearly a decade. We are VERY happy with our lives and his 2 daughters from his previous marriage are teenagers now and we very very very much enjoy being able to spend our days rescuing animals, working on our craft projects and business and rehabilitating wild animals... young children aren't in the cards for us. N every damn time I respond with that they say "oh.. see, you just don't understand how much better your life would be with a baby, you won't understand the meaning of life until you give birth to your own child" ..... lol, okay but weren't y'all the ones bitching about how you never go on vacations n you're so jealous of us for being able to travel all the time just last week? LOL! I'm good. Thnx
LynzCatastrophe 3 years ago
I love my nephew and soon to be nephew/niece. I can be the fun aunt who causes chaos and then gives them back to their moms. That's where my patience ends. I will not, do not.
#3
Being docile and passive. We’re expected to take so much c**p on a daily basis without complaining. Sexual harassment? it’s just a compliment. Sexual assault? you had it coming. do you really want to ruin his life? Periods or any type of pain/illness? it’s not that bad. The amount of mental labor we’re expected to do is exhausting, but we have to do it or nothing would get done. And then men get offended and call us names when we assert ourselves or express any emotion other than happiness. Our boundaries are constantly trampled and we’re supposed to just take it with a smile. It’s so frustrating!
S. Mi 3 years ago
We somehow paradoxically socialize women to expect sexual abuse, blame ourselves and yet somehow think we are the only ones.
Kate Jones 3 years ago
It starts from childhood where you're told if a boy teases you or pulls on your hair, he must like you and you should be excited.
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Christine Jemison 3 years ago
My darling ex thought that I was supposed to take a couple o slaps and not defend myself. He learned a lesson real quick when I punched his light's out. Never happened again!!!
Adrienne Doyle 3 years ago
My ex was the same way, and even tried to press charges when all I did was defend myself. He was shocked when the judge dismissed those charges on account of self defense. Divorced him and cut him out of my life completely.
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Periods and labour: when I was younger, they literally used to say women deserve the pain as it was Eve's punishment for eating from the tree of knowledge. Bastards.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
. If someone won't hear "No" as a sentence, then I'm not the problem. And this applies to ALL genders/etc. ... I was not raised to be docile. Thank you, Mom. :-) (Irony: She was raised to be docile.)
Naesil 3 years ago
Yep, while unlikely but if I ever have daughter, she will definitely learn how to defend herself, and even if fighting back might be dangerous, at least in public you should make a scene to draw others attention, and if something happens in private, DO NOT let it stay private, tell your friends, parents, authorities, whoever and get help.
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kayla Mckee 3 years ago
Amen to that!!! Recently told a "friend" to take a long walk off a short pier because I let said friend set the pace for said friendship. Never lied to the person and yes I was down so I said "I feel like I could just drive my jeep into the river and no one would care because I have nothing left". Said friend had recently told me about how they had a gun in their mouth and if not for something happening around them, they would have eaten the bullet. After I made the comment about driving into the river I am immature for threatening to commit suicide. I also need too much attention because I told dude off because he basically tossed me aside because he got too close too fast and his guards came up......ummm...okay. so I was just supposed to let you do whatever, whenever and say anything you wanted to but I wasn't supposed to have any reactions or feelings........ Sure. Bye boy. We are not robots and should not be treated as such. And we are also seen as disposable. Total bull!!
Nandina 3 years ago
If you haven't read The Feminine Mystique I encourage every woman to read it and tell your friends. I am reading it now for the first time. Mind blown. Questions answered. This post is a synopsis of what this book is about. Published in 1963, I was born in 1955 and this explains my life.
Shalini Pabreja 3 years ago
Then don’t! Be the bossy b***h men fear, be the vocal feminist they accuse you to be. Go all out. The consequences will never be as bad as the alternative. The day women stop looking for validation will be the last for toxic patriarchy. Okay, rant over 😄.
#4
Taking care of a husband like he is an overgrown toddler incapable of doing anything for himself
Mike Crow 3 years ago
My wife takes care of me when I am down and I take care of her when she is down.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Thank you. My hubby and I do that, and it seems some are incapable of realizing that's *healthy*. If he wanted his mommy, then he'd have stayed at home with her, as my hubby puts it.
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June 3 years ago
Little girls are being taught how to do things by themselves while moms do the thing for their boys, so they never learn. That's really common. Several of my exes proved it (and it was exhausting)
Ozacoter 3 years ago
Men are taught that if they dont do it eventually a woman will. Thats why they can cook and clean when they leave alone but the majority will need nagging if they live with a woman.
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Alexandra Nara 3 years ago
Most of women I know... It's almost an almost unnotable and conditioned act/react unbalance with apologizing mens behaviour ( boys will be boys) " where are my keys" " have you done laundry" Or just automatically cleaning up after them Organizing everything for a vacation/ holiday/ party Surely- women can do same but in most relationships I know, women take far more responsibility in organisation and communication
NsG 3 years ago
I love organising for a holiday. I'm never happier than when I'm making all the lists and doing a practice pack. My hubby is more than capable of doing it, but he knows I derive genuine enjoyment from it. So he busies himself doing the ironing for the holidays (after the practice pack!), or cooking the meal for before we go, or booking an online grocery delivery for when we're back. Little things that mean I don't need to think about them because they're already taken care of and I can finish planning our itinerary.
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Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
i told my mom when i grow up that i would help out my wfe and she said " awwwww thats so sweet angelo" but my stepdad (who she now divorced) said " you donyt need to do that once you find a wife you dont have to do anything its a womans job to clean" and yeah guessed it he is now in jail for hitting his gf because the dishes werent done
An Unpopular Opinion. 3 years ago
It depends on the Husband. Everyone I personally know, they're great at NOT being overgrown toddlers, but I've heard stories...
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
Learning to set boundaries in a relationship is important for both genders.
Naesil 3 years ago
As a guy who has lived alone from the age of 18 its hard for me to understand how so many men do not know how to do basic household tasks, or how to cook.. like do all of them go from their mothers care directly to girlfriends care and never do any of these things?
august stands with ukraine 3 years ago
Yeah, basically. They're like giant manbabies.
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#5
A woman must be lady like
You know how I feel about that one? (Farts loudly) that’s how I feel
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Yep, farts are funny, I don't care who you are.
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Jennifer Millner 3 years ago
I am a lady; therefore, everything I do is lady like. I used to say this to my grandmother to watch her head explode.
Angelar 3 years ago (edited)
I think we all can agree that farting loudly is not a prerogative of a liberated woman.
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago (edited)
Remember my 11 years old sons mental breakdown as I told him his favorite actress and crush did fart too. He has two sisters and I raised him as feminist- but this moment I just thought ..what the frigg? Didn't know I have to explain this anatomical lesson to make sure he knows, that there are no exceptions.
Naesil 3 years ago
Everyone knows girls dont fart, and they poop rose petals :D
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Khavrinen 3 years ago
Dang it, I'm blanking on her name now, but there was a comedian I heard who had a great joke for this one. She said she was watching football with her boyfriend, when she let out a burp, and he said, "That's not very lady like." She replied, "Neither is a B***J**, but I don't hear anybody complaining about that one."
KombatBunni 3 years ago
*belches like a foghorn* right there with you hun! I can be ladylike when I want to..
setsuriseikou 3 years ago
And and by "ladylike" they very often mean "slave-like". 'Cause, you know, a "real lady has to do this" and "can't do that" and all that stuff.
Lousha 3 years ago
In high school I used to watch a lot of figure skating. It annoyed the **** out of me how men could wear pretty much anything and use any music they liked, and women had rather strict dress codes and were all expected to be what I called "the dying swan" . They had to wear tiny skirts and be very "traditionally feminine" , and no coach would even dream of having a female competitor out on the ice with any modern, pop, rock, upbeat, exciting music! It always had to be classical music, and the most boring type! Either something you'd play in en elevator or at a funeral. And just be graceful, soft, girly, elegant! Trouble is not every woman is like that! We do have different personalities and bodies. There was this one competitor I felt so sorry for! She had a muscular, stocky body, wide shoulders, tiny hips, thick, full muscle thighs, short, "boyish" hair, round, cheerful face and not an ounce of that delicate quality everyone expected from a woman on ice.
Lousha 3 years ago
She looked really sad and uncomfortable in those ridiculous dresses that looked like the tutus you'd put on a little girl for a ballet class or a princess party. She could never show off her full personality and talent in them, dancing to the sh***est boring music. But she could shine like crazy when it came to the gala after the competitions where the rules did not apply. She'd wear trousers and anything but pink and pale pastel colours, and look fantastic, more herself, and use fun, loud, happy music and dance her soul out. She was not the dying swan. She was a beautiful falcon.
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Having to defy the normal process of ageing and that ageing somehow diminishes our worth.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Ugh. This. Yes, I'm looking more like my grandma. So what? She had a boyfriend in her late 80s. :-)
Shalini Pabreja 3 years ago
@GusGus I guess it shows she was still having fun.
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Jo Choto 3 years ago
And that men who age are silver foxes and sexier than ever, while women become invisible.
Naesil 3 years ago
For some reason lot of men actually do kinda start looking better and better when they age (to a point of course)
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Scagsy 3 years ago
I may be in the minority here but I have always been attracted to women that are more or less my own age. As I have got older, my crushes have matured too. I expect this to continue into old age and I trust that I will love my wife a little more with every year that passes. It reminds me of the song 'Prettiest Eyes' by the Beautiful South. A charming little song.
Naesil 3 years ago
Nah I definitely also do that.. of course there is always some way younger and way older women who seem super attractive, its not purely the age, but in general it follows relative to my own age.
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Benita Valdez 3 years ago
I'm not quite 40 and refuse to dye my hair. I've received comments that I should but screw that. I'm aging gracefully with my gray hairs; and they really stick out on dark brown hair
MagentaBlu 3 years ago
I just dyed my gray hair, but in fantasie colors! Turqoise, deep blue, neon pink! And I love it! Finally I got the white hair I can dye in any color I want, no bleaching (therefor no hair "cooking")
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Lara Verne 3 years ago
But it apparently does not apply to men, at least some. My idiot coleague once called me "old". I reminded him that I'm two decades younger than him.....
Kimi Tomminello 3 years ago
I'm having fun aging lol I'm incredibly amused when I grow a new hair/ grey hair somewhere weird or spot another "grumpy line". I don't have many wrinkles/ lines but I'm embracing them with a passion. I've finally made it to "old troll" stage and feel no need to defy my age.
StarmanWaitingInTheSky 3 years ago
I found one just below my eye one day. I had no idea it was growing there but it was long when I did.
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StarmanWaitingInTheSky 3 years ago
Ever notice skin creams are only marketed towards women? We're also expected to put on makeup to events and work. If we don't, we get an onslaught of gasps and questions of if we got any sleep, or hungover. I quit makeup a long time ago. Women are torturing themselves with needles of botox and painful plastic surgery. Do what you want but the expectations that it should be the norm needs to go.
#7
A man can walk away from a pregnancy or a family and go on with life without a bat of an eye from society but heaven forbid a woman ever walk away from her kids
Jo Choto 3 years ago
Yeah, I have known so many single mothers in my life, where the father is just not interested (despite wanting the kids in the first place). I have met some men who call themselves single dads. But then I found out that they are single dads two days a week or every other weekend, because the mother has the offspring the rest of the time. That's not what being a single parent is. I have never met a single father who had sole responsibility for the care of his kid(s), but I have known many, many dozens of women.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
That's not always the man's fault. Women get primary custody by default in a lot of the US. The mom has to be really f****d up for a man to get primary custody. I know two such cases personally. I've heard some of the more progressive cities will recommend a 50/50 split. But the places that are not progressive will give Mom primary custody. I don't think there's any part of the country that would start with the assumption that the father should get primary.
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And somehow the mother is looked down upon for being a single mother. Like, where does that makes sense? The man is allowed to leave but the woman must have done something wrong!
Jane Jane 3 years ago
Neither parent should walk away. Male or Female. To be fair, most do judge the mother harsher than the father.
Isabella 3 years ago
Allow abortion to women and they will not walk away. A person is not walking away if they wanted the kid on the first place
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StarmanWaitingInTheSky 3 years ago
I don't really think society is unbothered with a man leaving his family. It just happens so often everyone just thinks "There goes another one. Great! Now this single mom is gonna burden the taxpayers." Which is just as frustrating because single moms are always being the ones to blame for everything, from putting her kids in "60% more at risk for abuse" (according to Dr. Phil's statistics. EVERY. DAMN. EPISODE), to having to work and pay "someone else having to watch their kids." People still expect mothers to do it all, on their own, with no help and no support. Apparently demanding child support is the same as using a man for money.
Rosemary Booth 3 years ago
Dr. Phil is an idiot. I don't disagree with the point you're making, but there's got to be a better source of relevant information and/or statistics than Dr. Phil.
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Two_rolling_black_eyes 3 years ago
There should be no stigma for admitting you cannot handle raising a child and being responsible enough to find someone who will. Every child deserves a loving home and realizing you can't do that is ok. We need to fix the other side of it - its not ok to just abandon you kids, regardless of gender. Just dropping them off at grandma and leaving doesn't count. If you can't handle the pressure for whatever reason, you need to make sure they are taken care of, be it finding appropriate adoptive parents or providing financial help to the caregiver who accepts responsibility. If grandma wants to raise them, her kid needs to provide child support to the grandkid.
Lemonclouds20 3 years ago
Well there's a bit of a difference, you carry the child, nurture with milk. Do everything for the child. So ofc it seems harsh when mum walks out. It doesn't happen in the animal kingdom either. Men are expendable.
#8
That all women want a man/relationship.
I'm happily single for years and don't want to be in a relationship. I don't get why people assume that single women aren't as happy as the ones in a relationship, when it was proven that single women are the happiest population out there.
Dora Ferrier 3 years ago
Preach! I love being single. I was never the little girl who grew up fantasizing about my future wedding to my Prince Charming. I can't think of anything I'd rather do less. People always assume my life is unfulfilling and lonely but it's the complete opposite! I have 100% freedom to do whatever I want to do and I love it!
Alex 3 years ago
same, the thought of being with someone romantically makes my skin crawl, though i still love romance stories lol
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
When I was a kid ---- before puberty ---- my mom said to me, "You don't need a man to be a person". Thank you, Mom.
Sapna Sarfare 3 years ago
or a single woman is automatically a lesbian.... Single women can be just single women and happy... PS: I am Pro LGBTQ.... be who you are and be happy... but do no assume things that is all
Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
I've been single for nearly 8 years now (after an abusive relationship), and I've never been happier. My time is mine, and I can do whatever I want with it. And even after 8 years, I'm not remotely interested in looking for a relationship.
MRSS 3 years ago
My now wife and I broke up for 6 years. I personally needed that time to be alone and work on myself, my addiction, my anger and rage issues, losing my father suddenly, watching my sister die a slow horrific painful death due to her alcoholism, losing my dog who was was world for 12yrs and best friend. Had I not taken the time for me to grow and learn to love myself I could never be the Wife I am or the woman I have become. No shame I'm being without a partner. Love you and that's all you need Ladies.
Susie Elle 3 years ago
I love my partner, but parallel to growing older is that I very much see the charm in living a single life. That has little to do with my boyfriend as a person, and more to do with myself and what I feel I can and can't do while in a commitment (non-sexual things I mean).
Roadkill The Brave 3 years ago
I had someone tell me recently they just want to see me happy - I deserve it too. I am happy. Do I get lonely? Yes. Do I have days where I wish or yern? Yes. Am I upset about being single? No. I'm content with my life the way it is right now and being content makes me happier than people realize. I'm comfortable in my own skin, I enjoy myself as the person I am without having to pretend to be someone I'm not. So if I meet someone I meet someone but I'm not making it my life's goal to hunt someone down just so I can attain a version of happy when I'm happy and content right where I am. I'm not upset with the person who pointed that out and I told them as much as a response. There's other circumstances surrounding it all that i think they're worried about - like I've somehow given up - but that's not what's going through my head.
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago
Amen ! But almost everyday I hear " oh dear you are still young enough and beautiful to find a loving man- don't worry" No I don't worry I even don't fxxxxing care
#9
That doctors STILL do not provide adequate health care for us. And the fact that we still don't have autonomy of our bodies (in the US)
Swan 3 years ago
in the us or anywhere else ; trans surgery = rejected you don't dispose of YOUR body ; breast removal surgery (for example to prevent cancer(or any other reason (confort etc...)) = rejected you don't dispose of YOUR body ; trying to get a tattoo = are you sure, you'll regret it ; plastic surgery = you don't need it ; uterus removal (like to stop periods and period pain) = rejected you don't dispose of YOUR body --- [for now (and certainly for ever ): I 'am' a woman so I'm not sure if it's a woman only thing or doctors and surgeons just don't listen to anyone]
Joonscrab 3 years ago (edited)
100%. I've faced this and it Sucks. Gone to numerical doctors asking for a test for breast cancer but they aren't giving it to me. I'm going crazy honestly... Maybe I'll just die like this... I KNOW I have it. I can feel it in me. Anyways, sorry for the rant.
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Marco Hub-Dub 3 years ago (edited)
The USA: where my gold star lesbian sister was told she needed tubal ligation because of ovarian and fallopian cysts and a high risk for cancer, but THREE doctors/medical facilities had policies she’d need approval from her husband or (male) partner and would have to attend a family planning class with him to learn that she wouldn’t be able to be his incubator. She proceeded to quit her job, leave that shithole of a state (it’s lone star is its rating) to return home to “liberal” California with her partner/wife of 17 years, where she still met resistance from a male doctor before finding one who’d do the procedure for the obvious need. FÜCK doctors who pull this puritan, patriarchal, “all women are baby makers” crap!
Lousha 3 years ago
I really enjoyed the conversations about birth control in the UK with the nurse. She did not ask questions like WHEN I'd want kids but IF I would, and when I said I wouldn't, she kept any judgment to herself and just noted that ok, she won't have kids. If I aksed about getting tubes tied, using this or that kind of longer term methods she gave me proper MEDICAL advice based on the data I provided, not a sermon about how this will affect my later chances of baby making. And not once in 6 years did she ask if I even have a long term partner, much less what his opinion was regarding my choices. Because of other factors I did not get my tubes tied but if I wanted to there was no form for my partner or anything like that. I could've just booked an appointment and have medical advice regarding any risks for ME, and that's that.
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Or anywhere else. It took me ten years to find a doctor that listened to my textbook endometriosis symptoms. Anynody with a neurone and google could have diagnosed me. But they simply never listened or believed me. Because if I bled extremely hard or I had so much pain that i passed out it must be because I "need to relax" "need to be patient" or "a paracetamol should be enough for you". F**k doctors. Then it took me almost other 3 years to get a hysterectomy that I needed. Three doctors denied it because "you might change your mind". The thrid one convinced me to have another surgery (endometrial ablation) that makes pregnancy super risky. Not only he never told me about that (I would have never consented if I knew) but despite knowing the risks he refused to sterilise me at the same time. He actively risked my life just to keep my fertility. Because a dead woman is better than a infertile one apparently. The hospital did nothing against him and I dont have money to sue.
Ozacoter 3 years ago (edited)
Finally this year, after almost 20 years of endometriosis and 13 years of fighting doctors I got my hysterectomy. Wonderful. But it came too late, the disease had destroyed my body already, giving me other illneses and making me disabled. I am never going to have a good life because doctors decided to not listen to me or believe me based on my sex.
Load More Replies... Dora Ferrier 3 years ago
That's because there wasn't a law to include women in medical clinical trials until 1994 because a women's fluctuating hormones produce undesirable data. Even then, it wasn't closely regulated. The law was amended again in 2017 and is monitored more closely now. Women are misdiagnosed or have their medical concerns ignored because the medical community has not made an effort to study women's health and are largely relying in medical knowledge from the Victorian era. orwh.od.nih.gov
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago
Hopefully this will getting better with the new laws..
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Had to have my husband sign what equals a permission slip to get my tubes tied at 32. Total crap.
Dominika 3 years ago
Poland in here. Dont know if anyone heard of our goverment policy about an abortion. Practically make it impossible...
Mondkatze 3 years ago (edited)
I am so sad to All wombowners around the World, where abortions are illegal. This is not an easy step you Do but sometimes neccesary. So it should be legal, supported and "easy" to get. People need more Information about the procedure and Support. It fears me, that in countries like poland decided this laws. In my opinion it is somehow disowning people from their own body. It is cruel. And Most of the Times this leads to more harm. Unwanted children, broken childhoods and relationships. Tortured wombowners, maybe diing or desperate enough to end their lifes by themselfes (which Most of the time includes mental harm to other people if it is through something like jumping infront of a train or so...) just sad.
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
This is true outside the US, too, alas. Reproduction rules, mutilations, etc... All "normal" when they're medically ridiculous. :-(
advice5cents 3 years ago
Good luck getting your tubes tied, but they're giving out hysterectomies like candy.
#10
That we shouldn’t show anger. Men always talk about how hard it is that when they cry, they’re called a pussy or something like that. I agree that that is a valid issue and I wish it weren’t that way, but I also wish that women could express anger without getting called a b***h or being called irrational. We get asked if we’re menstruating, we get told we’re overreacting. Just once I’d like to feel free to be angry.
Olivia Sorenson 3 years ago
Exactly! Like am I only supposed to have emotions while I'm hormonal??
MrBallen Fan 3 years ago
Idk why men use “pussy” to call someone weak. Those things birthed the human race!
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
My wife asks me that question when I get emotional. Or more often, it's a statement rather than a question. I can't recall me ever saying that to her. It's probably happened. It definitely happens the other way more in our house. And in case it's not clear, I am a man.
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
"I don't like you when you're angry" ----- when you hear those words? RUN. Just go. Anger is natural, normal, and comes from our hindbrain as an extension of our fears, or of just being tired/hungry/etc. Anyone who won't like you with your anger, doesn't like *you*. Just my opinion.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago (edited)
I don't like anyone when they're angry. Take care of your HALTs then maybe we can talk. Unless you're angry at me, in which case you should talk to someone else about it first. Feeling anger is natural, how you express it is a choice. Stating the feeling and describing it is great and I'm usually happy to listen (unless I'm HALTing too). Yelling, screaming, sarcasm, insulting, cursing, throwing, hitting...all of that is unacceptable to me no matter how you feel.
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Nora AlMeida 3 years ago
Only irrational males wonder why a woman would be angry. Decent, realistic men understand that a woman would be angry considering all of the insane disrespect she dealt with in her life by lacking in manhood males (sexual harassment, domestic abuse, hostile workplace). And also, since most crimes are committed by males, then clearly, males are the ones that tend to be emotional in an actually irrational way, while women express their emotions in a way that doesn’t harm others, in most cases, therefore women express their emotions healthfully and rationally. And any male that dehumanizes a woman (calling her a ‘b!tch’), he admitted that he isn’t a man. (A man is fair, so just like he wouldn’t want anyone to dehumanize him, then, fairly he shouldn’t dehumanize women. And since males tend to still call the males that r@pe, murder, steal, cause a fight, etc, a ‘man’, then fairly, regardless of what the woman did or didn’t do, she should be called a ‘woman’ and not an animal term).
Candia Lee 3 years ago
You've put a lot of thought into this and I like your thinking. 👏👏 seriously
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LynzCatastrophe 3 years ago
Mine is currently wondering why I'm so mad at him over what he perceives to be a small issue. It isn't small to me. I'm allowed to feel that way.
#11
Being ok with getting paid less than men for the same job
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I'm not okay with it. Who is okay with it? Show of hands, please, Pandas!
LynzCatastrophe 3 years ago (edited)
I wasn't. I found out one day when a new hire, male, son of one of my supervisors, and on his first real job, told me how much he was making. Guess who got in trouble, certainly not the male who volunteered the information without being asked, but the woman with nearly 10 years of experience on him who made a fuss about it.
Jane Jane 3 years ago (edited)
WOW, WOW, WOW... This one really triggered emotions on both sides of the gender gap! Maybe this should be top of mind for our elected officials? Pay transparency should be REQUIRED. We should not be afraid to tell each other how much we earn. That would pretty much solve this debate. Before ANGRY MEN attack me I am a lifelong Republican so DON'T EVEN. This shouldn't be about political parties, this is just trying to bring the USA into the 21st CENTURY and stopping the rest of the world from LAUGHING at us (yeah, they are laughing).
Tom 3 years ago
lol Every Republican in the house and senate voted against the equal pay bill. Sorry, but you support a party that hates you and hates equal pay. Congrats on supporting the orange monster.
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Thomas Sweda 3 years ago
If you do the job you should get the same pay, no matter who you are!
Jane Jane 3 years ago
I am an older professional woman who has worked in large corporations for 25 years (still working), I consider it my DUTY to share with the younger folks (male and female) what I have learned regarding salary negotiating over the years AND my ACTUAL salary. Not speaking about salaries is a corporate strategy. We need to break the silence and SHARE, SHARE, SHARE. Get with me everyone!
Aman Varkkey 3 years ago
People should be paid the same hourly rate for the job they do, but they should be paid fairly for their benefits they require to do the job.
Susan Williams 3 years ago
Getting passed over for a promotion when you have seniority and have trained the man who got the promotion before you did.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
Freakonomics did a great episode on the gender pay gap. I highly recommend it for anyone interested in this topic.
#12
Dressing for men. I see many people tell women that they should not dye or cut their hair, not get tattoos, or wear certain fashion because it is unappealing to men. However, a lot of women nowadays (like me) dress for themselves and not for male pleasure.
MoMcB 3 years ago
That one always makes me laugh. I have, and my friends have been told that dyed hair, tattoos and how we dress is unattractive. Why do we want to be attractive to that type of man?
Rus Kus 3 years ago
I know, right? It's even more weird when told by a complete stranger! Like do they really think that my clothing choices are based on the preferences of random dudes that I might on the bus to work? How would I even predict that? I mean why is more important but really how?
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Guy: You know, guys really prefer if you don't... Girl: We don't care.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Just had my hair dyed yesterday in honor of my upcoming freedom from being a doctor and going back to research. Wear what's comfy. If Hubby didn't love me for what I am, not what I wear?I'd have dumped him 30 years ago.
Lousha 3 years ago
I do the opposite a lot, instead of wearing what makes me comfortable I often wear what I hope will be very unappealing for men. I hope to be invisible to them because it grosses me out how many act like animals if they see me as a female object. I had to deal with disgusting behaviour from them sine I was a child and just can't take it anymore. "Not all men" is true of course, but it does not make it any less revolting how some of them behave, and there always will be some of those. Somehow I never had a woman grope me when I was 12, tell me how he'd like to be my skirt when the wind blew it in between my legs for a moment, or just straight tell me how they'd **** me right now while holding the had of their 3 year old child.
piruoztek 3 years ago (edited)
I dressed like tomboy as teenager because of that, I don't want to be judged as some şexuaļ toy. But it didn't stop them, they just kept telling me that I do it only because no one would want me. It's not possible to avoid unwanted opinions from those aßholes.
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One time I dressed very nice for New Year party, makeup and everything. In the subway one very sweet looking old lady told me that I'm beatiful but should not chew gum as it "spoils" the appeal of my face for potential men suitors. I looked around suspiciously and started to chew that stupid gum twice as furious as I really didn't need any suitors at that moment
Asswipe 3 years ago
The old lady has an outdated etiquette guide. The potential men suitors don't care about chewing gum.
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Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
Women have ALWAYS dressed for themselves and each other. My dad and my boyfriends liked what I wore, or they very quickly learned to keep their opinions to themselves.
Alexis minnix 3 years ago
EXACTLY! I tried to explain this to my brother and he said “no one dresses for themselves. You don’t spend hours on makeup and clothes for yourself or female friends. It’s for men”
Sarah Richardson 3 years ago
This is an issue I have with my sister. My hair became white over a few months in my mid teens, since then I have always dyed it varying shades of red (from pillar box to fuchsia pink). My partner has absolutely no say in the colour of my hair; my head, my hair, I’ll do what I want thanks very much. Sister, on the other hand, does not. On her own she admits she does not like her hair (naturally salt and pepper), however she does not colour it, even though she always used to. Recently married, her husband has even said to me ‘he likes seeing the real ####’, so natural it is, cos hubby wants it that why. People wonder why I have problems with him - the connotation being that me with bright red hair is not the ‘real me’, oh yes it is….
Marnie 3 years ago
A lot of women have dressed for themselves for at least 100 years. I love these young people who just assume that some decision they made against the pull of society means they are doing something new. We've been fighting against this for who knows how many 100s (or 1000s) of years.
#13
That vaginas should be smooth always
Mary Mosher 3 years ago
For the love of God, need we remind people that vaginas are an INTERNAL organ ... the outer area consists of inner and outer labia, and vulva.
Lillukka79 3 years ago
Amen sister! I was thinking that is there something wrong with me, cos my vagina has always been smooth.
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Ozacoter 3 years ago
I hope that you mean vulva. Because vaginas are very smooth. But yeah I hate the expectation that women need to have shaved vulvas. I hate how it looks, i feel like a Barby. And its really itchy when its growing. I tried once and never again.
Polargiraffe 3 years ago
Totally agree. Vulvas with no hair are akin to children's bodies. Just no.
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El Dee 3 years ago
I came of age in an era where the only people who were shaved were either giving birth or had crabs. It was a jungle out there! Lol!
StarmanWaitingInTheSky 3 years ago
My mom described getting shaved when she was giving birth humiliating. I'm glad that stupid, unnecessary procedure is gone.
Load More Replies... Jennifer Millner 3 years ago
I know I had a hard time with this. Anytime I tried to save in the bikini area, I would break out in a horrible, painful rash. Tried all the "tips" I could find and waxing. Still the same problems. So, I finally said "You know what? It's probably supposed to be there" and gave up.
Juririn 3 years ago (edited)
Vaginas ARE smooth. What do they mean?! (edit: if they mean completely plucked and bleached perigenital area, that's done almost exclusively in the porn industry and hardly an expectation for anyone in real life; if anything, an expectation of complete hairlessness and " smoothness " talks volumes about the quantity of porn consumed by the one with such expectations).
Jo Choto 3 years ago
The trend for hairlessness happened exactly in the same arc as it did in the porn industry, because producers realized they could get lots of detailed shots if everyone was bald. So basically, if you are obsessed with you or your partner being bald, then one or both of you has been raised on porn. Because there's just no other reason for it.
Aliquid 3 years ago (edited)
Hmm... I was raised on porn from the 80s, where this wasn't a trend. I don't look at porn as frequently as I did as a young adult... but when I see women shaved now, it creeps the hell out of me. I literally can't look at it. Adults have pubic hair. ---EDIT--- A response after reading what KT and Alexandra wrote below. I agree that it is your body and your choice. I don't judge you at all, and considering I have zero reason to ever look at your personal pubic area, or even think about it, it is entirely none of my business. Just stating my response to what I saw.
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Got Myself 4 Pandas 3 years ago
Technically (yes I'm being that person) your vagina is smooth, always, since it's internal and no hair grows there. Getting rid of your pubes is a personal preference for everyone - if your partner has a different preference to you doesn't mean you have to be forced to conform - if it's a dealbreaker it's a rather shallow relationship
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
This one doesn't seem outdated. I don't think shaving genitals completely was expected 50 years ago. This seems like a modern creation caused by the abundance of internet porn available today. And yes, it's a terrible and unnecessary expectation.
Ogre Juan Canolli 3 years ago
Shaving Became A Thing When Japan Banned Showing Pubic Hair. Shaving Was A Loophole
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Pamela Blue 3 years ago
The vagina IS smooth always. I will assume you are talking about the Vulva, which is the outside? The vagina is inside, and hidden from view.
#14
That women should do all the cooking and cleaning.
Kristof De Smet 3 years ago
My kid's teacher once asked what the kids thought about cleaning: was it the woman's responsibility or is it something that both should take care of? Only kid in class who thought it was a shared responsibility, was mine. I think we have a long way to go.
Ozacoter 3 years ago
Definitely and not only with kids. They did a survery recently in Spain and a out 66% of men between 18 and 30 believed that women are better suited for housechores. Its ridiculous
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Kate Jones 3 years ago
This is a funny one because I've worked in professional kitchens where the men treat women like they aren't talented enough to be there. It's a weird thing; if it is in regard to achievement or ability, these traditionally female roles-when done by men- are seen as not women-worthy. But if it's mom cooking in the kitchen at home, it's her job or responsibility.
NsG 3 years ago
If only there were competitive laundry shows! That said, they make/made a big deal any time a man won Bake Off. So baking = women's role, cooking/chef-ing = men's role?
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Whoever enjoys it, cooks. And cleaning should be shared, unles someone (like me) uses it to calm down from a bad day. (What can I say? I can't clean up the world's crap, but I can at least make sure *my* floor is clean!)
Susan Williams 3 years ago
My first husband was a pilot. He tried to convince me that his job was harder than mine was, as a mother to two little ones because he was strapped in his seat for hours, getting up only to go potty. I sat in my chair and told him we could trade for the day. I would stay in this chair for hours while he took over running the household. He thought about it for about five seconds and walked away.
Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
I'll happily do all the cooking...if he does ALL the dishes. And does them properly, not screwing it up so he can escape the chore.
Nordic And Sneezing 3 years ago
Does it matter what way they're done if they're clean? If it isn't up to your standard then you should do it yourself.
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John Carr 3 years ago
My partner works in a restaurant and I work from home. I do the majority of the cooking and cleaning......I have zero problems with our arrangement. Moreover, she prefers my cooking to hers??? Only thing I'm not allowed to do is fold the laundry- apparently I always fold them incorrectly 😁
Saara-Elina Kaukiainen 3 years ago
If I was in charge of the cooking of this family.. we probably would have died of food poisoning long ago. 😅
#15
Ugh, I live in the Southern US & the whole “wife must fix husbands dinner plate before hers or the children’s” is strong here. I get in debates all the time about this—it agitates me to no end. I don’t know why. It just comes off very misogynistic.
The reasoning I’ve heard from people I know is that “if your husband works hard then he should not have to fix his own food when he comes home” as if women don’t also work hard & almost always have to pull the second shift if kids are involved. I don’t understand why it’s such a debate. If it matters who eats first, then it should be the kids. If there’s no kids, then who cares? Both spouses can make their own plate or one (either one) can make both plates. I’m not a housewife or a waitress for my husband. We are equals, we both work & gender roles are outdated as hell.
Jarrod Nichols 3 years ago
Except it's women saying it, and not men. Stop trying to be the victim. Any real man puts the family before himself. Maybe you need to examine the type of people you hang around with.
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Mer☕️🧭☕️ 3 years ago
It's misogynistic and it also comes from the times when there might not be enough food to go around therefore the all-important penis must be fed first in case the food runs out.
Kelsey Lee 3 years ago
I imagined a monster penis with a bowl-cut and wearing a rough wool tunic living in a hut in feudal Europe demanding his supper.
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Tuna Fish 3 years ago
It took me a while to get my hubs to understand that I am NOT THE WAITRESS! Yes we are very Southern USA. I was also raised to believe this so the hardest part was getting myself to believe it. Once I got it, it was just a matter of getting him to get it. Now we do just fine and he cooks and cleans very well.
Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
I live in the South too. This was true in past generations, but isn't how my generation on down is acting. I withhold my fathers plate until everyone else is sitting and ready to eat. When anything is said 'Look, we all know dad is gonna scarf it down and want seconds before the rest of us have had two bites. He wont die of starvation in the next 3 minutes.' It gets a laugh and Dad has starting making a point of waiting on everyone else before starting to eat.
#16
The concept of virginity.
Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
Always confused me as a kid--who were all these studs having sex with if the women were all virgins?
Kate Jones 3 years ago (edited)
If all women remained virgins until they were married, men would riot. Rape would be out of control. No more porn unless it was married people. No more touching us. Nothing. See what happens. Every time I see men calling women sluts I'm like...but the men they have sex with aren't? Why is your immediate reaction to call out the woman for promiscuity but not the guy? Why is your penis being in 20 different vaginas not looked at with the same disgust? Why are women considered lesser in this regard in terms of being 'used up' --which is a ridiculous phrase-- because they have vaginas?. If you are looking for a virgin because you think she's somehow more 'pure' you clearly don't understand the hellscape that is the vagina. I promise she's the first one to be in there, not you. And possibly a number of dildos. And women don't always bleed when they have sex the first time. And she's done all sorts of things to herself long before you got there so get over it and just be happy you're there now.
Tyranamar Seuss 3 years ago
And what about this whole fallacy that a woman must have low self-esteem if she likes to have sex. Confused the f**k out of me. Must of been bc I was sexually abused or damaged? No! Sex is just really great!! And I like it, and I like to explore it. Like a man!! Go figure. Women can have sex drives too.
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June 3 years ago
The word "virginity" consistently summons incels, works all the time.
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lapis lazuli 3 years ago
also, the hymen isn't something to be popped!! all hymens look different and it's not something you can tell by looking at. how do people think women get periods???
Brian Bennett 3 years ago
Yeah you ever heard a female say they want a virgin male! But the guy's do but they must have EXPERIENCE - bull pucky!
Susan Williams 3 years ago
And who did Adam and Eve's sons have sex with to perpetuate the human race?
Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
And Cain killed Abel, so......we were taught in Catholic school the Bible is a metaphor, not to take it literally. Why this crazy shift to thinking it's real??
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That they need to wear makeup to look presentable — think a professional setting, a lot of people have the notion that it is lazy for a woman to not have ANY makeup on.
Now I wear makeup sometimes and sometimes I don’t, I just think it’s an outdated expecting that half of the population has never had.
Sarcastic Cow 3 years ago (edited)
This is just because people (read men) who write these rules have no idea what makeup is. You can have your whole face covered in ´naked´ style and they will say ´ You see how good you look without all those colors on!´
Suzy the observer 3 years ago
"Hey you look tired, everything ok?" *no make-up* Grr!!
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I'm old enough (ouch) to have been raised with this. And I don't wear the crap. If Hubby doesn't like me as I am, then he can leave. I'm not dealing with that expense and hassle when 1. I can't wear it for medical work anyway! and 2. I'm gonna be working from home.
Caro Caro 3 years ago
Shouldn't you put on make up for your hubby? wear a nice dress? At night sneak in a few curlers in your hair, have breakfast ready and be all dolled up before he's up? Come on Leo, be a good wifey. (for those who don't know me: I was just kidding).
Load More Replies... Rus Kus 3 years ago (edited)
23 for me and I wish I stopped sooner. I'd save so much nerves and money on this!
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Donkey boi 3 years ago
My wife generally doesn't wear any make-up. If it's a special occasion (wedding, etc) she'll put some mascara on and maybe some eyeliner.
Norah Reilly 3 years ago
When I was 14 I was trying make-up on (for my boyfriend, of course), and getting frustrated with it. It pissed me off that boys/men didn't have to do that s**t, so I decided then and there to skip the whole make-up b.s. forever.
Lakota Wolf 3 years ago
I grew up being forced to wear makeup - TONS of it - from a young age (single digits). Mom was trying to vicariously live her dreams through us kids, and I was “the actress” who was going to make the family tons of money. So I used to have to sit through hours of makeup application for headshots, auditions, and the like. I loathe makeup now and I rarely wear it. My mom gives me tons of flak for this. She tells me to wear lipstick UNDER MY MASK that I’ll have on for my full 8-hour shift at work. NO CAN CAN SEE IT
LynzCatastrophe 3 years ago
I love makeup, my collection is bigger than I care to admit, but I do it for me, not you. And it also depends on the mood I'm in when I wake up in the morning.
Auntriarch 3 years ago
I'm a nail polish freak, colours for every outfit. Just gives me a boost
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Featherytoad 3 years ago
I love when women wake up in the morning in movies or T.V. shows with a full face of makeup. I guess Hollywood and the networks just aren't ready for reality yet.
Happy_Pandalover 3 years ago
Actually i‘ve encountered it the other way around. I‘ve witnessed countless men (at work, college etc.) criticize women for wearing too much makeup or being too fake 😳. While at the same time half of them couldn‘t tell if a woman wore light makeup or no makeup at all. Yes, it‘s true that too heavy makeup and certain colors are unsuitable for certain job situations. But other than that just let people style themselves the way they want to.
#18
Vulgar language is not feminine.
Stopped counting how many times I was told that but I always told them to f**k themselves
Donkey boi 3 years ago
Ever been to Ireland? Or any major city in the UK? I learned my very best vulgar language from women!
Sharron Lindsay 3 years ago
I read somewhere that swearing is a sign of intelligence- not sure if it's true but I feckin believe it is
Got Myself 4 Pandas 3 years ago
I like to sprinkle swear words in plentiful quantities as to enhance my point
Bill Nye The Russian spy 3 years ago
I am a god damn lady no matter what those f*****g assholes say about my damn languade
#19
Be thin.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Lost a patient in ER Tuesday to her eating disorder. She'd struggled for 35 years, against odds, to even live that long with anorexia and bulimia. She's been cycling in and out of treatment for... Well, we got to know her. RIP, S, and if your doctor is okay with your body? Then you can be, too. OK? Please? Thanks.
Luther von Wolfen 3 years ago
I like my women like my cats - plump, furry and asleep on the windowsill.
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
As a member of Gen X I still feel this pressure put on by movies and other media.
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
i dont like this one. my gf isalways asking if she needs to diet and i always tell her no because idc what other people think i think she is perfect. everyone is perfect in my opinion
Tom 3 years ago
Everyone is perfect? You think morbidly obese people are perfect? You think TRUMP is perfect? W. T. F.
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Lakota Wolf 3 years ago
Growing up, all I heard over and over from my adoptive mom (who is obese herself): “Your biological parents are skinny as rails. Your biological mom is as flat as a board. You’ll be skinny and flat-chested effortlessly, all your life. Genetics!” HAHA MOM I SHOWED YOU I GOT FAT AND I GREW BIG OLD JAHOOBIES
Sharron Lindsay 3 years ago
Social media perpetuates this as the perfect ideal and it's sooooo damaging to young women
Tom 3 years ago
No one forces them to be on social media. My friends and I never were even though facebook and twitter were all the rage. lol
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That women can’t do anything. Fixing things, manual labor, etc. I hate when my girlfriends say “I’m waiting on him to do this or that and it’s frustrating.” How about you get off your a*s and figure it out like he did. Lol
El Dee 3 years ago
Yes, the division of labour along the lines of gender - makes no sense at all..
GramDB 3 years ago
If the sexes were all the same … where would the fun begin? Viva la difference!
Load More Replies... John Smith 3 years ago
There is a condition called "Learned Helplessness" it is massively down to how kids are brought up. The whole gender divide starts in small children, the girls play house with dolls, the boys play house with powertools(toy). So the pattern gets set that female = housemaker, male = house fixer. Many people just live those roles in their life. It is why I feel a sadness when people are presented with something new and the response is "I can't do that" You didn't even try.
Lillukka79 3 years ago
This is true. Happily I got to play with legos and use dads tools. There aren't many things I can't do, and if I don't know I'll learn. Moms family motto is others do what they can, we do anything.
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Christine Rhodes 3 years ago
I agree with this post but sometimes I am waiting on him to do X because he should have to do SOMETHING! Not because i can't but because so many things are my responsibility there's GOT to be something he is expected to do.
MagentaBlu 3 years ago
Yes. Please. Besides doing everything bad so it is not needed to be properly done. Again. By me.
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Sareaesque 3 years ago
One thing my mum was determined to do was teach me to do as many of these tasks myself, she taught me to rewire a plug, and anything she couldn't teach me like changing a tyre she would pressure my dad to teach me if he dragged his feet after I asked him. If I wait on a partner to do something it's usually because I work 6 days a week and they work part-time, and it's frustrating if I have to use my limited free-time/energy to pick up a task they could have done weeks ago.
MagentaBlu 3 years ago
Or REDO a task he could easily had done properly. Just hate it
Load More Replies... Keith Mitchem 3 years ago
My wife loves to learn how to work on cars, use power tools, and other household repairs. I like to teach her.
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
Been getting my sister her own out door power equipment for her last couple of birthdays. She loves it! Pressure washer, leaf blower, string trimmer, etc....
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Bob Standen 3 years ago
My friend has never been mechanically minded. Anything with more that 3 parts is beyond her. Been that way all her life. And I bet there are men out there in the same boat.
Naesil 3 years ago
More and more people are like this, because now you dont have to do anything, you can always have professional to do these things for you and usually even the price is so low that buying necessary tools etc would need you to do the task for several years to have it being worth to buy them. And I have to admit that even though I know I can learn to do most things (or already know how to do them) its just so much easier to have someone do it instead and be 100% sure its going to work. Changing tires and similar level of tasks tho I just do on principal that I wont pay anything for that :D
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Brian Bennett 3 years ago
Then you must know my husband. He can and will not fix anything - his father never knew how to do anything either! I've given up - can do a lot myself but some things are impossible and we can't afford professional help, so one has to improvise!
Load More Replies... Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
My daughter and I just replumbed our kitchen sink. And we're in the process of remodeling our bathroom, so it's stripped right down to the studs at present. I'm thankful that my grandfather (b. 1909) was not only willing to teach me plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc., but also enthusiastic about teaching me. He was a renaissance man. I still miss him.
Tamra Stiffler 3 years ago
Sounds like you were lucky to have him, just as he was lucky to have you.
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Joe Reaves 3 years ago
I love being single but I do sometimes wish I had someone around to fix stuff. They don't need a d**k in order to do it, just about 6 more inches of height lol. I am really uncomfortable on step ladders and it's hard to change a bulb or whatever when you're clinging to the wall or ceiling for balance.
Jo Choto 3 years ago
I was the token handyperson in my neighborhood full of single parents. I was happy to fix flushers and diagnose car problems and use a hammer and nails and paintbrush, and install a waste disposal unit, that kind of thing. I was very popular, but not a single one of the women I helped was interested in learning how to do it themselves. The gender pressures are very strong in the US.
#21
Being event coordinator, sender of household thank you notes, purchasing holiday gifts
Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
My mom bought all the gifts for my dad's side of the family for 15 years. And when she told my dad, it's your turn now, all the gifts stopped.
Sharron Lindsay 3 years ago
My husband sits watching the kids open presents from us to see what 'we' bought them
Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
My hubby's family xmas gifts are sitting on the table under the TV waiting for him to box and ship them. He said he'd do it. It's March. I said I wouldn't nag, but will make his life miserable if he in any way hints or blames me for them not receiving the presents. His family is now planning a visit to see us in a few months. He says they can get them then. His family is angry at me for not just doing it.
Pisco 3 years ago
See? This is what people ignore. That his family will blame you for his lazyness.
Load More Replies... NsG 3 years ago
I'm feeling a bit smug here to be honest (send in the downvotes). Hubby buys the gifts for his side of the family, I buy them for mine. We split gifts for the niblings between us. He will wrap anything that's in a straightforward box, I'll do the more fiddly shaped items (he has a problem with the dexterity in his fingers), regardless of who they are for. The problem we have is that his mum seems to think I do it all, so he never gets any of the credit. His mum believes most of this list to be honest.
Rylee Evergreen 3 years ago
Hey, feel smug! It's great that your relationship is such that you can both share in the work. Don't feel sorry for that!! :)
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MotherofGuineaPigs 3 years ago
My husband actually kept track of all that stuff. He told me when something was coming up so we could decide what to do. Since he passed, I keep forgetting things and end up sending stuff at random times - confuses everyone.
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
I had to do this for a while family. Plan and cook the meals for holidays, birthdays, cookouts. Out a stop to that after a few years of no one offering to help financially or physically
Celtic Pirate Queen 3 years ago
Right? Since when did I become my husband's secretary? As a professional bookkeeper there are many things I do simply because I handle them better, but it's not my JOB.
#22
That we all have a maternal instinct. Hahahaha NOPE.
Donkey boi 3 years ago
Oh, I think it true. Only, is not always for human babies. Sometimes it's cats, sometimes it's dogs, sometimes it plants, Sometimes it's doll houses.
DuchessDegu 3 years ago
Sometimes it's all of the above. And birds. Squirrels. Horses. Ok all animals but humans!
Load More Replies... Lousha 3 years ago
Mine only comes out when I see fluffy little babies. Mostly cats and dogs, but a little bit for every baby animal really. Human babies make me really uncomfortable. I love looking at cute PICTURES of them, you can show me the whole album of your baby photos, just please do it while your actual child is not around.
Dana Ondráčková 3 years ago
Lately I realise the Maternal feeling I was having was fake only to "give my parents a grandkid" I told them about it and they freaked that I should not force myself to give Them grandkid if I dont want it myself And that they came to conclusion that I Will probably never já e a weddings or Kids, but the only thing they worry is my happiness since they dont think I am happy with my beloved loving partner who lives And work away And I am alone in my flat.
Sherman Von Gee 3 years ago
Meet my mother... you'll see just how far from maternal a woman could ever be.
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
Yeah, big nope for me as well. Got different variations of 'you'll change your mind when this happens' for about ten years when I was younger. Thankfully I don't hear that very much now.
#23
We are the emotional ones
Mary Jeffries 3 years ago
I had a man tell me women were more emotional. I reminded him irritation and anger are emotions too and men throw hissy fits often as well. He said that was something to think about. I hope he does.
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I'm sorry that I LOL'd, but... I just thought of the reactions I've seen from men during a sports match/game (however your nation terms it), and yeah, they're defo emo.
Sherman Von Gee 3 years ago
A man once called the cops on me n told them I tried to rob him all because I told him to get f****d when he said "has anyone ever told you that you have the most perfect DSLs? (D**k sucking lips)" and I responded by asking how many pairs of socks he stuffed in his pants this morning to make it look like he didn't have a micro penis.. because only men with tiny d***s talk to women like that.. he got so mad, called me an "ugly c**t with deflated balloons for lips" and a "dirty, sloppy whore who could never score a date with a guy like him" .. then legit called the police to tell them that I tried to pick pocket him all because HE declined a date with ME! Thank god for the target employee who witnessed the whole damn thing. But yes, women are the emotional ones. Totally.
Naesil 3 years ago
That response I will never understand.. like first they "compliment" how you look and even specify the feature they like and when rejected suddenly you are ugly, not worthy, what ever.
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Shabette the Great 3 years ago
I've worked in several male dominated fields, and YES to this! The most stable and productive environments were the ones women ran. Men are very emotional (they're human so of course they are) but bc they're usually not taught to recognize their emotions, they just spill them everywhere.
Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
When I started dating, the first thing I noticed (that surprised me), was how emotional, sentimental and sensitive men are. I was not prepared.
Scagsy 3 years ago
The flipside of that coin is that men are expected to be stoic and unemotional. That can be as much of a burden as being the emotional one in the relationship. Maybe we can meet in the middle? That would be good. In fact, maybe meeting in the middle would solve a number of these entries.
#24
Being devoted to shi**y husbands
John Smith 3 years ago
I have known a couple of women that were with guys just because "it would upset them to break up".. Girl he gives you a blackeye and you don't want to upset him, buy a clue. Leave, leave now, if it upsets him, who cares. The guy is obviously a d**k and deserves to be upset and alone.
Missy Missy 3 years ago
By that, what they actually mean is if they try to break up, the guy will punish her... one of the most unsafe times for women is when they try to leave their abuser. If they know this and have said that, then they've tried it already...
Load More Replies... Lousha 3 years ago
My firend's mom's mom was slapped on her own wedding day by her own mom for wearing a bit of lipstick. "You look like a who**, make yourself decent for that man!" Then by the time her daughter (friend's mom) was about to get married she internalised all this so much that when the groom showed up late and completely off his rocker drunk, she (mom's mom) told her to just pretend all is well, don't make a scene. "A man is a man even if he s*** in his hat" was exactly what she said. So friend's mom did marry this alcoholic POS and had 3 kids by the time she managed to break the cycle and get a divorce, then teach her girls to not take any c*** from anyone.
Paul Davis 3 years ago (edited)
Thank goodness this at least is so much better than when I was a kid. When a divorced woman was just assumed would act like a free a whore for the men at whatever workplace she went to. And if she had any problems it was all her fault she didn't marry a man to take care of her. And when there were any problems in the marriage it was always entirely the wife's fault for just not being a good enough wife.
Bill Nye The Russian spy 3 years ago
it doesn't matter how he feels, if he treats you badly, you give him a black eye and walk out.
Glirpy 3 years ago (edited)
What I’ve noticed is that people don’t change. What I have noticed is that people don’t see how people really are because they are blinded by affection for that person. They think they have a shi**y husband or wife, when in fact they had a shi**y boyfriend or girlfriend long before that.
Lady Goofball 3 years ago (edited)
My abusive relationship started out like a romantic dream come true. Flowers, trips, cuddling, generosity, swept me off my feet. I was sure we were soul mates. He didn't show his abusive side until the night before we were to get married. He blew up when he was showing his out-of-town friend our house and I had left the kitchen a mess from cooking. I made him look bad! People had flown in from other states to come to the wedding and I did not have the courage to cancel the wedding at the last minute. Big mistake! There were hints that I should have seen as red flags but I didn't because I was so 'in love'. Girls, drop that boyfriend at the first red flag and don't look back!
#25
That women automatically make better caregivers (children or the elderly).
Kristof De Smet 3 years ago
Honestly, most of the time they are. But that doesn't mean that, as a man, you shouldn't at least try.
lenka 3 years ago
I dont agree. Most of the time women are because they are expected to be and men are not because there is absolutely no expectation on them to be good carers. My husband is a better caregiver than I am. He is infinitely more patient and always puts everyone elses needs before his own. There are quite a few men in my social cirlce who are better caregivers than thier female partners, several of whom are the stay at home parent. The only difference between whether women are better than men at caring is because we have been socialised to expect it.
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sailor moon 3 years ago (edited)
And it sucks when men in public are looked at weird when they care for a child, like some women see a man with a child and automatically think "kidnapping" or something like that. Honestly I think it must feel horrible.
Rus Kus 3 years ago
More often I saw that they are perceived as heroes and "uniquely" wonderful fathers. Doesn't particularly strike me as nice either
Load More Replies... Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
ok this isnt relavant to the topic but i alays hated this and i always hated im looked at as a pervor weird because i watch kids and do the caring as male because ig women are supposed to do it
Susan Egan 3 years ago
I'm surprised this happens, live and learn. I joined a playgroup when we moved to this town. There were two men caregivers. Are kids are all grown and a core group of us still meets. It's two or three women and on guy. We've been meeting for 20 years. Never thought twice about it being odd.
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I've met incredible male caregivers. I've also met rotten ones of both sexes. It's either in you or it isn't, is my thought.
RoseAnne Hutchence 3 years ago
Having watched numerous people (all genders) of several nationalities, I think it's safer to posit that some cultures raise people to be nurturing. And others ... not so much.
Susan Williams 3 years ago
The truth is that women are the ones saddled with the thankless task of being the caregivers of the children and the elderly. And, it's usually the eldest daughter who gets this job, even as she herself ages. And when she is too old to care for herself, she will be lucky if she finds a friend or family member who will help her.
#26
Having to smile and accommodate other people’s awkward and rude behavior. The- “I’m sorry I can’t help but to say or notice” and what they is creepy, unwarranted, intrusive, interrupting, offensive etc. Get out of my space! I don’t care that my voice is unusually high pitched or that whatever you noticed or have to say about me.
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
Or the the whole thing of of, you would be so much prettier if you did ______. Or two i get a lot, you smell good, and your eyes are so pretty......yeah I know because I shower and use a lotion and body spray combo that I love and I see my eyes every day, if you are getting that close you need to back out of my space or you might be met with a flying hand.
Lindsey Judd-Bruder 3 years ago (edited)
Okay, I totally get the first thing you said. But-and 'll probably get downvoted to the bowels of hèll for this-what on earth is wrong with someone telling you you smell good, or that your eyes are pretty? You don't necessarily have to be in someone's personal space, to notice those things. You can see somebody's eyes from across the room. You can smell their lotion or perfume several minutes after they walk by. I mean, I could understand if they said it, and kept going on about it. Or if they were lurking or leering. But what the heck is wrong with a simple compliment? Have we gotten so incredibly oversensitive and triggered as a society, that we can't even say nice things to each other anymore? Are we all supposed to just ignore each other, for fear of hurting each other's feelings? I can't do that. I love a nice compliment. It makes me feel good. And most people I know, feel the same way. /1
Load More Replies... Dana Ondráčková 3 years ago
I give out daily compliments, even to strangers but it might seem less creepy from a girl as me. I saw a girl wearing a skirt with starý night pattern, I commented it looks amazing, she smiled, thanked And did a twirl. Other lady I commented on lovely scarf And she freaked out happily tugging on it saying "IT IS ISNT IT? !" it Just nade my day😂
Babette Venetianer Neil 3 years ago
To those who tell woman to "smile", how many times have you asked a man to "smile".
Benita Valdez 3 years ago
Ugh yes. Smile more. Smile more. Smile more. F*ck you. I don't feel like it. I was in a great mood before you bugged me. This is just my face; it's comfortable and relaxed
Rylee Evergreen 3 years ago
THIS. My resting race looks both bored and extremely irritated. It's like, I wasn't actually irritated until you decided to make my facial expression your personal business!!
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Viney24 3 years ago
I hate when people are like "i can't help but notice". yeah ya can john, piss off
Uber Mensch 3 years ago
Ann Landers had a nice, standard response for folks like this: Mind Your Own Business. I'm more inclined to respond with a sincere "Why is that any of YOUR business? Piss off."
#27
Sex isn’t a right when you’re in a relationship. You have to maintain other parts of the relationship to keep that flame alive. “You must be cheating” isn’t going to make the situation any better.
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
I hated it when [my now ex wife] would use that line. As if I was just a sex doll to her, a piece of meat without any person behind the flesh. (now I am well enough to say that I was the victim of an abusive partner)
Stephanie IV 3 years ago
Good. Demanding sex from other persons is harassment.
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Rebecca Bovingdon 3 years ago
Theres nothing worse than having the condom talk, them agreeing to wear one, then after laughing that they didnt... learnt my lesson got the coil
Veronica Sjöberg 3 years ago
Yeah, it isn't a right. And that's VERY clear. But you must be able to talk about it, don't just constantly say no without an explanation if you have a committed relationship. It can be a real dilemma/dealbreaker if your drives don't match at all and your partner never is able to talk to you about it or find other ways of creating intimacy. You end up feeling very unloved and like a disgusting freak who even wanted to connect at all.
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
exactly like me and my gf work things out all the time because we come first in a rlationship, sex is just for couples to have fun and shouldnt be a all time thing (unless if your like my brother that masturbates constantly to hentai)
Celtic Pirate Queen 3 years ago
An ex wanted to have sex. I said no. After all the snuggle attempts & buttering me up didn't work, he started calling me names. I literally said, "Are you somehow under the delusion that calling me a c*nt is going to get you laid? You're a f*cking moron". Needless to say I filed for divorce before we even had our 1st anniversary.
Beeg Wang 3 years ago
It's not a right. But, without sex, most relationships die. Sex proven to strengthen bond. But - exercise your rights and leave. Don't play games.
#28
That woman have to take birth control (hormonal) in a long term relationship
Rens 3 years ago
I think both parties are equally responsible when it comes to birth control. It should be openly discussed and mutually agreed upon.
Brian Bennett 3 years ago
And before any sexual encounter! Sounds cold but it is a team effort!
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Olivia Sorenson 3 years ago
If you don't want to take birth control, no one can make you. This also shows that men just expect regular s*x in a committed relationship and don't want to take on the responsibility of being a dad. Disgusting.
Mary August 3 years ago
Would you trust a man to take a birth control pill (if there was one) regularly? I wouldn't. He forgets and then I'm the one who deals with consequences.
June 3 years ago
If you don't trust your partner in a long term relationship, what's the point?
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NsG 3 years ago
I take the pill because it regulates my periods (among other things, I'm not giving you my full medical history here!). My hubby is more than willing to step up and use alternative methods (during the times when the doctors have tried varying what I'm on.) EThe pill is not for everyone, and it certainly shouldn't mean men are absolved of responsibilities for birth control.
Chris M 3 years ago
My last gf kept insisting that we do it without a condom - and I kept telling her that she would need to take birth control before I'd be willing to do that. If some other form of birth control were available for me, I'd happily take it.
Susie Elle 3 years ago (edited)
Well, no. There's alternatives for most people. I'd say the fact that hormonal birth control was developed some decades ago and are now perscribed like they're candies as if they don't severly affect your mood and system.
Kayla Burnam 3 years ago
Or that they have to be in a relationship to take birth control. My doctor put me on birth control when I was a sophomore in high school for my health because I was killing my liver talking 4 ibuprofen every 4 hours to lessen the pain enough to function.
#29
Giving birth. It is the second most terrifying and painful thing a person can go through, the first is burning alive. The industry is great at hiding the many difficulties of pregnancy just to further the human race. You can permanently lose grey matter in your brain, weaken your bladder, develop allergies?? during and after pregnancy. Don't even get me started on the labour itself- i have no idea why any informed woman would want that. just google 4th degree tears and you'll be put off for life
Swan 3 years ago
I HAVE been burnt alive , and I would give birth if I could, I most likely can't (related to the burn thing) but if women are not ready to go through giving life to have a baby they can adopt; I understand women are also ready to go through this it's their choice how about the maximum informations about it and then they make their choice?
Candy_Sneke! 3 years ago
Are you ok? How bad were your burns? It must really suck
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Tuna Fish 3 years ago
How about needing my husbands "permission" to get my tubes tied after my first child. I s**t you not. My doctor said I had to get him to sign a form agreeing to the procedure before they would do it because I guess it was his body too. HA. I said "no problem, doc. He's waiting in the car for me." I went down the elevator and when I got back the form was signed and I had the procedure. Hubs was at home at the time.
Swan 3 years ago
hey I always thought that ^^ it's so much better (we can leave the eggs safe in a warm place and go to sport/work/school and the best we don't have either breasts/milk factories or periods yay! )
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Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
A friend's husband said to me (in front of his pregnant wife). Why do women even have to go classes or to the hospital? They just naturally know how to do it. They've been doing it since the beginning of time. (and dying since the beginning of time, I told him--go visit a Victorian cemetery)
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago (edited)
Women dying in labor back then was caused by doctors not washing their hands between the autopsy room and the delivery room. Midwives at the time had much higher survival rates.
Load More Replies... Kelsey Lee 3 years ago
Right? I gained 60lbs and it took a year to lose, i ripped my lady bits, messed up some other parts, and occasionally pee myself now and my baby is 2! Not to mention all the sexist B******t i went through with doctors and family while expecting. I love being a mom and i love my kid, but when people ask me if I'm having more I'm like sure if it's developed in a test tube.
J J 3 years ago
As a dude, I will never understand why woman come within a mile of our weiners considering the potential outcome
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
I have noticed that women with many kids seem worn out. Not tired, but used up. As though there is only so much nutrition that you can pass on to your kids before you run out.
Keith Mitchem 3 years ago
Unfortunately men can't do anything about this. We cannot give birth to keep the human species alive. Many of us would take that burden from the women we love if we could, but we can't. All we can do is be a supportive as possible. You also insult women who are happy to go through labor in order to bring their little angel into the world. Not all people are all the same. My stepmom had no regrets and she went through labor 4 times. Only getting an epidural once. I asked her directly.
Got Myself 4 Pandas 3 years ago
I've done this 4 times, I very much doubt it's anywhere near to being burned alive - yeah it hurts like b'jesus but it's not constant so you get breaks between contractions. Maybe I'm lucky that it wasn't too bad - don't get my wrong, it's taken it's toll, my body has been through a lot of trauma, it's changed and not for the better, I'll never be who I was before kids - I've accepted this. My kids were worth it. I agree that it should be better understood how difficult pregnancy is and how dangerous it can be - too many people think it's easy - it really isn't.
#30
It's mind blowing how many guys expect you to be a free therapist to them. Like, uh, I didn't sign up for this.
Scarlett 3 years ago (edited)
Off topic but related. Being the therapist friend to anyone isn’t fun. Try not to get yourself in that position. I was that friend all through middle school but when I looked for help myself, none came. I’ve rid myself of being that friend in high school but now I don tell anyone when I need help because I got so used to never getting any.
Joshuah Manuel 3 years ago
Sorry you went through that. I know what you mean and it isn't exclusive to women. Being considered the friend anyone in the group can talk to takes a lot mentally and emotionally. And yet you can be in tears in the middle of a breakdown and it seems like none of them care
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Robin DJW 3 years ago
This. This. THIS! It is an adjunct to the one where the caption is "Taking care of a husband like he is an overgrown toddler incapable of doing anything for himself."
Keith Mitchem 3 years ago
So men are not allowed to show emotions? Got it we are never allowed to cry, feel pain, get angry, be sad, or any other negative emotions. We have to keep our negative feelings and thoughts to ourselves and be the rocks in the relationship. Please tell me how this not an outdated expectation of men? We are human beings. It is not adjunct to overgrown toddlers. I know man children are very real, but this apples to marshmallows of a difference. If a man is a toddler then he needs to the F up, but if he is needing to lean on you and you can't handle his emotions ask him to get professional help. And you should get some yourself depending the situation.
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
In my generation, i'd say it's 50% (I'm early GenX). I can't speak outside that. There you go, a dataset for males of the US born between 1968 and 1974.
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Liu Woods 3 years ago
Yes, but within healthy boundaries and the support should be mutual rather than one-sided.
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Tracy Wallick 3 years ago
"Women are not rehab centers for toxic men". I forget where I saw this, but it's true, and far too many people don't understand it.
Brian Bennett 3 years ago
It's just like life - a give and take situation - it's a hell of a lot easier to work together than separately. Marriage is a combo not a side dish!
Jarrod Nichols 3 years ago
As a married PARTNER, my first and foremost duty is to be there for my partner. If this is too much for you, then YOU aren't ready for a mature relationship.
#31
That women should be physically smaller than men/petite/dainty/etc in order to be feminine
Kelsey Lee 3 years ago (edited)
This one sucks. I'm 5'11" (f) and my partner is 5'5" (m). Why does everyone need to bring it up? The kick of it was when his mother said she was a good wife in part because she made her husband feel tall. I replied that I took her son to greater heights :p
TheWeeb 3 years ago
I'm 5'3 (m) but luckily quite gay and my bf enjoys me being a shorty.
Load More Replies... Lousha 3 years ago
I used to know this little guy when I went to uni. He was short and incredibly thin, like a little bird. Great company, funny man. One night he was seeing me home after having drinks with friends so I don't walk home alone. A bunch of really sketchy guys started following us. He asked if I still had the self defense spray on me I talked about before. I said yes, and he asked me to give it to him, and if anything kicks off just run and he'll try to hold them off as long as he can. A true hero. I probably was in a better position physically to protect him, but he was ready to take a huge beating because he was the MAN.
Jerry Seinfield 3 years ago
Interesting! I don't personally thinking that being small makes a woman more feminine, but DEFINITELY more attractive!! I already said this in a previous comment, but my girl is tiny tiny, skinny, short, and that's so attractive to me! It's what I find sexy and that's ok!! God made me this way!!! Just like the gays didn't choose to be sexually turned on by their own kind, I didn't choose to be attracted to slim women! I will not let anyone shame me for it!! :D
Rens 3 years ago
I'm very tall at 6-ft 1 and a very big build, unfortunately I've also put on a lot of weight to do it due to my chronic illnesses and medications. All but one of my relationships have been with men shorter than myself including my current relationship. Up until recently I was also very muscular but I still feel very feminine.
#32
So many men view you differently when ur unapologetically yourself. I’m loud and stand up for myself when I need to and men give you that ‘how dare you look’ and it just fills me with power.
Babette Venetianer Neil 3 years ago
I am not loud or rude, but I speak my mind and people go crazy. I have been told I really say what I am thinking. Why else would I speak?
#33
That we shouldn’t want/need rest while we are on our periods. Just because we have one every month for years doesn’t make it any less uncomfortable. I’m not saying mine is horrible every month but sometimes it hits me hard and it gets exhausting pretending like I’m not hurting.
Tami 3 years ago
I always wonder how the fellas would react if they had painful cramping and a bleedin' weenie for 4-6 days every month. Plus there's all the inconvenience of having to carry supplies around and deal with the mess, which is an extra drag if you're out camping or hiking in the woods. So much fun changing a bloody tampon in the snow on a backcountry ski trip!
Luna Rue Mystic Enchantments 3 years ago
You can bet your bottom dollar they'd get paid leave from work and free period products.
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We will do domestic labor
Donkey boi 3 years ago
You WILL! You absolutely will do domestic labour! If you're not willing to help out with the household chores, go live live on your own! It's not acceptable to expect one person to do it all. Everyone that lives in a property should share the housework.
musical-trash 3 years ago
Although you are correct on the fact that everyone should do the labor, the issue here is that women are generally expected to do all (or almost all) of the labor.
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#35
Our focus is only his pleasure
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
I recently told someone that a true gentleman makes a lady cum first. They didn't get it.
Polargiraffe 3 years ago
Men who think the clit and vagina are in the same place. And don't get me started about the vulva!!!
Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
In the past, I had stuff to do. I didn't have time to waste repeating the same lessons for him to just...fail at it again. So, get him done, pretend I'm done, get back to what is important. Now I have a guy who 'knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two' [he was taught by a bunch of bored housewives when he was a teen. Those women were wrong to pass him around like they did...but what they taught him! These are great memories for him. He felt on top of the world. I still think it's wrong because when you reverse the genders it's scummy.] I've never been equal in the sex before. It's very nice.
Liv 3 years ago (edited)
For most of my sex life, my boyfriends never even touched my clit. They assumed they performed well just by doing a good bang bang. They didn't make sure I O'ed. I think they did their best, but we were too ignorant to do better (I'm including myself. And I was also too insecure). Let's just say, I really appreciated when I found a man who valued my pleasure, and making me feel as satisfied as possible. EDIT: I think porn really doesn't help this.
#36
We don’t like/ want sex as much as men. I personally have a much higher sex drive than my SO.
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
my gf is always horny when we are alone and has a higher sex drive so its like trying to play hide and seek from a killer when she gets turened on
Egg 3 years ago
Damn, didn't know Mr Seinfeld was such a conservative piece of s**t.
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#37
Providing free emotional labor.
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
why did this get downvoted this person was just asking a question?
Load More Replies... Sarcastic Cow 3 years ago
I don't know how to ´care´ about other people and it's just bitterness on both sides, when I have to.
Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
I'm so used to providing the EL that I don't usually notice it. What really burns me up is when I do and it turns out the guy was being deliberately obtuse to get out of doing something. It's surprising how insightful my man is. Although, he will also die on the hill of 'Men are simple creatures!'
#38
That I'm gonna look good before bed. Like i dont sleep in makeup sorry
#39
Being expected to bend or compromise in a situation. Being the one to suck it up for the sake of everyone else.
#40
If you do have one child, you have to have another. You know, for reasons.
Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
For the betterment of the childs perspective? It's wild having siblings and then making friends with someone who doesn't. Like, do you even know that feeling of 'I'm the only one allowed to murder this jerk.' ?
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
Mine is an only child and loves it. I am one of six and it was okay growing up but I found that because I had 2 sibling with chronic illnesses my parents didn't have a lot of time for the four of us who were healthy. It made an impact on all six of us. The 2 are now entitled brats and the other four work hard and have abandonment issues.
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Having children. When I tell people I don’t want kids, they always look at me like I’m crazy and then tell me I’m still young and I’ll change my mind
Claire O'Connor 3 years ago
Stay strong. I always knew I didn't want kids. Nobody believed me. Not my family, not my doctor, not my Gyno. But I'm 50 now, and I'm grateful everyday that I met a partner who was ok with not having kids. Together over 25 years, and still blissfully happy with our busy, fun and child free life. You know your own mind.
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
That is awesome. Don't be pushed into doing anything you don't want. Especially having children. Too many children are abandoned by one or both parents at some point if either one of the parents never wanted children
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
Seriously! The amount of 'oh, you'll change your mind when this happens' that women get when we say we don't want kids is so annoying... Like we're people too. We know what we want and don't want. Men aren't questioned or told that they'll change their minds when they say they don't want kids, why can't we have that privilege?
Doc Thissen 3 years ago
I'm a man, and I made the decision to not have kids when I was 12 or so. I kept hearing from older family members, (sister & mother mainly), that's change my mind as I got older. I'm 53 now, and still childless. I've never considered the possibility of having children of my own, and have never once regretted this choice.
#42
Men paying for dates/drinks
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago (edited)
me and my gf went on a date and since it was her idea i et her pay for it because she wanted to. bill comes they hand me it my gf takes it puts her card on it. and the waitress gives her a dirty look. this happened last saturday
Floyd Bartholomew 3 years ago
Had something similar a few weeks ago. My CC was deactivated for security reasons, so when the bill came I had my wife use her card for our account, and the customers at the next table over looked scandalized.
Load More Replies... Got Myself 4 Pandas 3 years ago
I've always expected to pay for myself, if a guy insisted on paying I'd say that I'd get the next round of drinks then, not for any particular reason or feminist ideal, I just feel better being independent and knowing I can pay my own way. I would never have went on any dates without knowing I had enough money to pay for myself/share the bill. It's kinda funny, even when I go out with my husband and the kids the bill always gets plopped down in front of him - habit maybe? - they've even handed him the wee machine to put my pin in when they've seen my pull my own card out and handed it to them. Refusing to pay your own way isn't ok in my opinion, I wouldn't be happy always being the one to pay, why should he be happy to?
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
How about for the first date you each pay your own. If you decide to have more dates then whoever picks the place pays and alternate who's turn it is to pick/pay.
#43
Putting up with any kind of abusive behaviour from their husband. Abuse isn’t just limited to your husband just beating the c**p out of you he could be emotional, mental, or verbal abuse! The same thing goes for women who just stay with a man because they want to be a happy family with their kids even though their husband is cheating on them constantly.
Egg 3 years ago
While I agree that you'll find assholes in any gender, ethnicity or sexuality, the PROBLEM here is that social conditioning has made it acceptable for this to happen. Also the term gatekeeping isn't applicable here, friend.
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That women over 50 can't wear skinny jeans or be trendy.
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago (edited)
I wear whatever I want...Sometimes to get attention and sometimes to feel comfortable Sometimes I express moods or choose a certain functional clothing- and sometimes I' m just wearing anything cause being naked is illegal. None of anyones business
Himiko 3 years ago
Being honest i think by the time people hit 50 they don't really care about being trendy anymore. I know I wouldn't.
Kimi Tomminello 3 years ago
I gave up in my late 30s. I think Gen Xers (40s-50s) are who you're thinking of. The generation older than us, Boomers, mostly still try to adhere to some sort of fashion sense.
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That women are just dying to get married before 30.
Egg 3 years ago
Mr Seinfeld, I'm sorry to say this, but please go burn in a ditch.
Load More Replies... #46
Having to push though feeling sick, tried, or in pain to get stuff done.
I have 3 chronic conditions (endometriosis, adenomyosis, and pelvic floor dysfuntion) and im being watched for a 4th (possibly lupus). Ive had to work while in pain, get up and go do housework despite being exhausted or having a migraine. Ive had people accuse me of faking my pain or exhaustion to get out of doing stuff. Bosses have made me break physical therapy orders and make my pelvic floor worse cause they refused to give me help.
Lsai Aeon 3 years ago
My spine, hips, and pelvis are completely coated in arthritis, the discs in my lumbar (lower) spine have decided to get their groove on and dance around might even have had one explode. Now, we're also checking for rheumatoid arthritis. My apartment isn't accessible at all, my wheelchair won't fit in the kitchen, won't go through the 19" wide bathroom door. Yet my husband thinks I can still "do some chores" and mom expects me to get up and walk when I'm outside the house (more than to get to my wheelchair storage in the vehicle). She even complains "You're walking so much better when you go for the wheelchair, why don't you just walk into the restaurant" Like, no, F*CK OFF, I'm not destroying my body anymore
Donkey boi 3 years ago
I don't think this is a 'expectation of women' thing. This is more of an expectation of anyone with chronic illness. The attitude seems to be 'well you've got medication and it's an ongoing thing so you should be used to it'. It's not acceptable really!
Vera1 3 years ago
This is an issue that happens to everyone with a chronic illness, but it is also an issue that men impose on women. Women are still expected to take care of the people around them when sick, men are not.
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Our lives and identities being structured around and based upon motherhood and relationships.
#48
That older women are automatically jealous of, and are competing with, younger women.
Jo Choto 3 years ago
When I see beautiful young women going about their lives, it makes me a bit nostalgic for times gone by, but I am in no way jealous. In fact, there is nothing you could offer me to have to go back and experience all the changes I've had to go through getting older. Except maybe if I can go back with all the knowledge I have now, so I don't have to suffer through it all again.
Sharron Lindsay 3 years ago
So true. As I've aged I've gained wisdom and I wouldn't swap that for my youth
Load More Replies... Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
Yes! We are not. I'm also tired of the idea that I want to be told I still look young, etc.
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago
Most of beauty products base on this competition for male attention. If that wouldn stop defining most of our beauty standards we would be finally able to support and appreciate each other in each actual state of transformation and destress ourselves
Kishibe Angelo 3 years ago
i mean a lot of them do a lot of my freinds gfs are worried about younger girls
#49
We're always competing with each other
Agnes Jekyll 3 years ago
Media always sets up and stressed competition between singers, actors or any celebrity.
#50
Shaving
Jo Choto 3 years ago
I have come across two gorgeous women in social media who choose not to shave and have what would be considered a normal amount of body hair for a mammal. Both have received death threats, actual death threats, from numerous men for "daring" to contravene some arbitrary standard of femininity.
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
I actually love having smooth, hairless legs and armpits. That being said, I do not look down on people who do not shave. Want to braid your armpit hair? Sure just wash first then I will help you do it.
Atlas 3 years ago
Not true, I’ve encountered many men and women who believe it’s “gross” to have unshaved legs
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Being the "peacemaker" in a situation usually including men. Always disliked how women were seen as the "heart" of the family, the one keeping it all together. They want it to sound noble, but it sounds exhausting as hell and unfair. Like no one in a family can function without a woman doing the emotional labor.
I have been a woman of chaos for several moments in my life LOL, not a troublemaker (all the time) but one to stand up for myself in ways that are not expected. They assume I'll be a peacemaker because I am a woman. HAHA!
#52
Staying home and belonging in a kitchen
#53
That all women love sex and are "great" at it.
Alot of women hate sex and are not "great" at it.
El Dee 3 years ago
I don't think 'loving sex' is an expectation on women. I think the perception has been the opposite and that men are surprised if women enjoy sex as much as them. In fact I think that the expectation is on men to have a high (higher than women) sex drive and to perform and always take the lead. The reality is quite different despite what films and society say..
Alexandra Nara 3 years ago
Off topic . cuz I love good sex-.but I' m always annoyed when I tell someone: "I love to be free "-and the first reaction is always: " Yeah..to f**k around" Nope To travel, to paint at 3 am , to have free spontanous time with friends, just responsible for me and my time... Sex maybe a hobby, but it neither define my freedom- nor your value
minnybri 3 years ago
Forget the part about being needing to be "great" at sex...if you don't enjoy sex and are not asexual there are some bigger problems going on. Some options are a) your partner doesn't take your pleasure into account, b) you're not really attracted to your partner, c) you feel like you HAVE to have sex when your partner wants to so it becomes a chore, d) you have something going on psychologically or physiologically that makes sex unpleasant or even painful...the list goes on and on. Definitely worth talking about with someone.
Jerry Seinfield 3 years ago
This literally contradicts the statement from a few posts ago! This is sooooo dumb. XD
#54
That women over 40 have to cut their hair short, like up to their ears.
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
Oh, yeah. Went from having my hair down to the middle of my back to having it cut to just above my shoulders when I was 12. You'd think I'd taken a kitten to school and skinned it alive from the reactions I got from my classmates. Sad thing is that it was mostly girls who commented on my hair. The boys actually thought I looked good.
Load More Replies... Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
When I was 45yo, my mom (Silent Generation) told me she'd never consider me to be an adult until I cut my hair, which was halfway down my back. I laughed at her.
Kimi Tomminello 3 years ago
🤣🤣🤣 nope. Never heard of this but it's hilarious!! I'm in my 40s with hair down past my bum. No one has suggested I cut my hair, quite the opposite.
DuchessDegu 3 years ago
I think a lot do because we can't be arsed to spend too much time on hair anymore. I have my hair long as I prefer it but I never spent too much time on it anyway, I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've blow dry or straightened my hair!
#55
That women can't be genuine friends with each other.
Sharron Lindsay 3 years ago
Agreed. Me and my friend have not been genuine friends for the last 18 years
Load More Replies... Donna Clanclan 3 years ago
While frenemies are a thing, we can be genuine friends. We can also be friends with men and have no lust on either side.
Donkey boi 3 years ago
F**K OFF! No one thinks that! Everyone know that women create stronger friendships!
#56
Being delicate and quiet = being lovable
Mr. Auster 3 years ago
Try doing that while being a boy and you'll bullied to hell
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#57
The pressure to conform our bodies and our sexual behavior, in time consuming, ridiculous and even harmful ways, to whatever unrealistic standard is in style at the time.
#58
That we are expected to smile all the time to everyone for no reason at all. Men don’t do this, aren’t expected to and don’t get approached unsolicited from strangers in public with advice to “smile more.”
Luther von Wolfen 3 years ago
People see me not smiling and they start asking about my emotional state - "Everything okay?",. "You look upset. What's wrong?" I'm just standing here with a face - my emotions are none of your f'ing business.
Lousha 3 years ago
The service industry is horrible for this. If you're female and you're a sales assistant tons of man thinks it's you duty to smile 24/7. Women might think the same but not one ever said anything about it. But I had countless men harrassing me about standing in a shop and daring to not smile. They never, ever asked my male colleagues why they don't have a smile on that lovely face, they didn't bet they would look beautiful with a smile. I was polite, I did all I could to provide quality service, but that amounts to nothing because it would so much better for them to look at me if I smiled. Somehow 0 percent of these types of men ever consider that making someone uncomfortable and telling a stranger how to behave is a sure way to NOT make them smile. Somehow the same men if I did smile automatically assumed I would love to jump their bones right here, right now, so guess why I wasn't smiling in the first place even if I was in a good mood?
Lousha 3 years ago
And again, interestingly when dealing with decent men or women who made the interaction comfortable and pleasant, I'd smile without being prompted. Amazing, isn't it?
Load More Replies... Izzy Curer 3 years ago
This person clearly doesn't live in a major city. Nobody smiles in a city. If you were expected to smile at everyone you encounter, you'd break your jaw.
#59
I’m tired of having to be “nice” just because I’m a woman. Especially in the workplace where all the men are “allowed” to be jerks.
Luther von Wolfen 3 years ago
Remember Riot Grrrl? The 90s punk/feminist thing that blew up and then collapsed? Most of the things here were what Riot Grrrl was fighting.
#60
The automatic assumption that a woman will take her husband's last name upon marriage
Scarlett 3 years ago
I will (ya know, if someone actually wants to be in the same room with me for more then five seconds) because I want to end the family name. It’s a long story, but let’s just say everyone on my father’s side of the family who holds that name are the nastiest most toxic people I’ve ever met. So yes, I do not want to be associated with them.
Ozacoter 3 years ago
Then take your mums maiden name or a different surame.
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Doc Thissen 3 years ago
Why should she? I've been married twice, and neither took my name. I've had no problem with that. For the record, first wife died.
setsuriseikou 3 years ago
I didn't. My ex and his family were civil enough not to make any comments on my decision, but I'm not sure he would have respected the "I don't want to" reason in the same way he did the "changing the name in all the documents would get overwhelmingly complicated" reason (which was actually true), since he was visibly happy to hear the latter.
#61
Giving a c**p about social anything. Chatting like everyone else when in a new environment. Hosting dinners. Holiday parties. Sending gifts, reminders, thank you notes, etc.
There's being polite and then there's expectation. No thanks to expectation.
Summer Mason 3 years ago
My husband makes me write the cards cause I have prettier writing. However I suck at word play so he has to tell me what to say. Lol. It's a 50/50 when you get cards from us.
#62
The concept that women should work-outside the home and do most of the housework. The idea that a stay at home woman is less than a woman who works and has a home.
We went too far the other way with the whole women working concept.
Justreading 3 years ago
I have played many roles- medical field, mental health, retail, food industry... and the hardest one I've done? Stay at home mom! It's relentless and you can really loose yourself in it. Though I must say retail deserves its own special place in hell.
Olivia Sorenson 3 years ago
I totally agree with this. I hate when people tell girls and women that or act like being a housewife isn't enough, being a SAH mother isn't enough. You can't JUST be a mom. If a little girl tells someone they want to be a mommy when they grow up, they'll get, "Okay, but what else?" as if she's not contributing to society by raising children.
setsuriseikou 3 years ago
TBH, I sometimes am one of the people with "okay, but what else" question. But don't get me wrong, I am by no means saying that being a SAH mother isn't ever enough. In many cases it absolutely is. But I ask the question to myself, because way too often I've seen a situation when a SAH mother is left alone. The husband can get ill, loose his job, leave the family, even die (unfortunately, it's not as uncommon as it might seem), the kids will grow up and leave the nest to live their lives, and when/if that happens, what will I do? And to me, the only answer is "I will have to be more than a mom and a wife". I will absolutely have to. So I'd better get ready to be able to support the ones I love when they need me.
Load More Replies... #63
Our appearance is for men. I couldn't care less what they think. I am who I am and they can suck it.
Susie Elle 3 years ago
Watch me shove an entire office worth of supplies into the pouch of my hoodie and walk around like I'm a kangaroo
Ozacoter 3 years ago
Also that our appearance determines our worth. I was told many times as a young woman that I was "not a real woman" for not being attactive or traditionally femenine. Both by sexist right wing and by sexist left wing who tried to convince me that i am a trans man for not fitting in their sexist idea of what a woman should be like.
#64
Anything that is expected of a woman just because she’s a woman.
#65
Any expectations for women to wear make-up, heels, skirts, etc. in order to “appear professional.”
#66
Not an expectation so much as a societal view: I think the lack of dignity given to jobs related to childcare and education, and the expectation that women who are serious and driven won’t work with children, is messed up.
My take is that raising the next generation of humans is extremely important work, and the only reason people don’t dignify it is BECAUSE it’s associated with women.
Instead of fixing that societal misperception and dignifying that work, people just avoid it (myself included; I ended up teaching/working with children as a last resort after avoiding it because I saw it as “womens work,” but I have found that I actually LOVE it).
Paddling Panda 3 years ago
100%!! I cannot understand why these careers are so underpaid and undervalued. You're literally caring for and reaching our next generation of nurses, teachers, scientists, authors, musicians, doctors, explorers, mathematicians, counselors, psychiatrists, childcare workers, lawyers, managers, IT professionals, etc. And yet, these jobs are critically underpaid. It disgusts me.
#67
Having to be perfectly groomed all the time
Lousha 3 years ago
I visited Croatia once. We wanted to go on an excursion so we met at a bust stop at the edge of town around 4 in the morning. We girls looked like one would expect at such an ungodly hour, tired, puffy faces, comfy, baggy clothes. Then a bunch of local women arrived, all with PERFECT makeup, big hairdos, colour coordinated, very neat clothes, freshly manicured nails etc. They were beautiful , but I often think of them and feel it must be exhausting to be a Croatian woman.
#68
That we have to strive to be likable. False!
Oh, also that because we are women, we are drawn towards children and mothering them. I’ve never felt maternal towards any human child I’ve ever met.
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
This!! I have a bad case of RBF and when I was younger I had so many people constantly telling me to smile! 'You look so sad! There are kids who don't have what you have, so cheer up and smile!' Like, gee, thanks. I wasn't actually sad but after hearing that I sure was
Tuna Fish 3 years ago
Oh God yes. I do not like kids. Not yours or anyone elses (Mine was OK but I love him so much more now that he's grown) What's strange is I can say this through the anonymity of the internet but I would never say this to all the people at work who think their children are soooooo cute and likeable and fabulous. They're brats and I don't want to hold them or talk baby talk to them or be bothered by them. I will admit, one friend of mine I swear gave birth to a 30 year old and I love that kid. She's more sarcastic than I am. God love her.
#69
ALL OF THEM!!!!
The ones I hate the most are: women shouldn't even want to be physically strong. F**k that, it sucks not being as strong as a guy, and I will go to the gym and lift weights.
Women are supposed to want to be sexy and find being objetified empowering. Or they have to be modest and prudish. I really hate that, can't I just be a normal human with sexual desires without having to either be prudish or overtly sexual
Women aren't supposed to really have hobbies or passions. I am into things women are really not supposed to be in: welding, magic, basketball and woodworking. I really hate that women aren't really supposed to have these interests and when we do it is simply because we are trying to impress men or some s**t.
Having to cook and clean to please men. I have no problem doing some cooking and cleaning, but I am not some guys maid.
#70
To never care about a man's looks, only his heart or wallet. Looks aren't everything but for some reason women are expected to put sacrifice their sexual attraction to man just to get one.
Izzy Curer 3 years ago
I mean, yeah, I see where they're coming from. The expectation men have to look decent is so low that some of them barely even groom. Not all are like this, of course, but there aren't enough well groomed ones to go around, so if you want one, you pretty much have to lower your standards.
Load More Replies... #71
Looking nice all the time. Sometimes I just wanna be in my bath robe and slippers. I shouldn't have to doll up all the time.
Paddling Panda 3 years ago
I sometimes walk my dog in my housecoat and flip flops. And I honestly don't give a f**k what anyone thinks. Though there is a special place in my heart when someone calls me The Dude
#72
To be caring and nurturing. To bring cooked food and cakes to the office.
An Unpopular Opinion. 3 years ago
That's exactly who I want to be though- caring, helping people, and heck yeah am I going to bring cupcakes to work sometimes!!
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
And that's great! (I'm not being sarcastic at all but the following probably will sound sarcastic and I assure you that it's completely sincere.) If being caring and helping people makes you happy, then do it! Don't let anything or anyone stop you.
Load More Replies... #73
Asking men out...Apparently, that's too "forward" and you come off as "creepy" and "clingy" for asking a guy out, despite it being 2022. But then, men don't ask women out anymore.
What are we supposed to do? This makes bringing back arranged marriage in the Western World look better every single day.
#74
That we are somehow better human beings than men, so should behave better than them.
Atlas 3 years ago (edited)
I’ve always heard men were the superior gender, I never heard it vice versa
Mary Bricklin 3 years ago
My guess, they're talking about comments like 'Women have never committed evils like the Holocaust.' Or 'Women wouldn't start world wars.' I've actually heard people say that or seen them post stuff like that online.
Load More Replies... #75
Wearing stockings/tights at work.
setsuriseikou 3 years ago
Ooh, the bane of my existence through high school, uni and several years of an office job! I stopped putting on these wretched things quite some time ago, but the thought of not having to deal with them anymore makes me happy to this day!
Donkey boi 3 years ago
Sorry what? Never heard that! Never actually understood why women wear them at all. I had to wear them every day for 10 months and I hate the way the feel.
#76
Cooking for a man
How come every time someone asks me about romantic relationships they bring up me cooking for a man?! If I learned how to cook, he can learn how to cook. There are too many resources to not know how.
#77
We must initiate everything. sex. talking about relationships. planning
#79
Shaving my legs. Thankfully my husband doesn't care or I wouldn't have married him. My chronic pain makes it difficult to shave and legs just say my first adventure in waxing went horribly
#80
That exposing my ankles means I'm easy or not "in tact"
Donkey boi 3 years ago
We've got ourselves a time traveller! That POV when out in the Victorian era (Specifically the 1890's).
kayla Mckee 3 years ago
Seriously, some religions have women covered up 99%of their body. It is ridiculous.
What do you think ?
Ivana Bašić 3 years ago
I cut my hair from a longish Bob to a buzz cut. Everyone asked how my husband would feel about it, what if he preferred long hair. If he prefers long hair, he can grow his own!
InvaderZim 3 years ago
Same here. I’ve had my parents be like “what if men think you’re a lesbian?” Bruh I’m ace anyway I don’t want a relationship
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Yumiko 3 years ago
the future will look upon is and our time and think we were barbaric middle ages. what's the justification for paying women less than men again ?
Immortal Emperor Paradox 3 years ago
The level of order determines the the amount of equality between the majority/stronger/oppressor group and the minority/weaker/oppressed group in a society/community. This may apply to almost all facets, like race, caste, sex, culture, ethnicity, etc. We've come a long way from when women were treated as objects, to chattels, to humans, although not absolutely. It's a given that the far future would be a much better place for everyone, including women. For our descendants, we would just be inferior, savage old farts.
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The Starsong Princess 3 years ago (edited)
Being called a Karen if you stand up for yourself or express any discontent. Send your undercooked chicken back in a restaurant? You’re a Karen. Want a company to honor their warranty? Karen. Expect a clerk to wait on you instead of the man who arrived after you? Karen. And on and on.
Kristin Ingersoll 3 years ago
That's... not what "Karen" means - it's how you go about things. And the fact that you're that clueless means... you might want to take a look at how you complain.
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I'd like to publicly thank my mom, who managed to uninstall a lot of this in me before I even hit puberty, despite it being prevailing thinking of the time, and it being how she was raised.
Viney24 3 years ago
this is one my sister got a lot... shaving. women are expected to shave their legs armpits and other parts that they should only shave if they want to
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
I never understood this one. How has "hair" become ugly? Some covergirl stereotypes make sense to me, but not this one.
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Kensi 3 years ago (edited)
I got one too. I enjoy going to events (theatre for example) by myself (I am a woman) and for many men so far it has been like an invitation to come to me and (and I quote): "to keeping me company because I'm there alone". I never noticed it would happen to my male friend. I don't go there to meet men but simply to enjoy time there by myself.
whodunnitfan2013 3 years ago
I was taught to be submissive to men growing up, and to always look pleasing to men. F**k that. I'm still recovering from my misogynistic upbringing.
Enby.Minecraft.Bee. 3 years ago
If yall liked this yall should probably read the book "Cinderella is dead"
Jo Choto 3 years ago
Almost all of these issues relate to how the woman is perceived by the man for doing/not doing a thing. Fact is, the second women stop wanting the approval and desire of men, they will stop caring about doing or not doing most of the things on this list. We have the power. We have the choice.
Ashlie 3 years ago
Except when it comes to employment. The majority of higher management positions, boards of directors, etc. are held by men. Every time diversity is brought up, I get tepid agreement and then treated to a monologue about the need to hire quality candidates, as if hiring mostly white men meant that the company was hiring quality candidates.
Load More Replies... Ivana Bašić 3 years ago
I cut my hair from a longish Bob to a buzz cut. Everyone asked how my husband would feel about it, what if he preferred long hair. If he prefers long hair, he can grow his own!
InvaderZim 3 years ago
Same here. I’ve had my parents be like “what if men think you’re a lesbian?” Bruh I’m ace anyway I don’t want a relationship
Load More Replies... Yumiko 3 years ago
the future will look upon is and our time and think we were barbaric middle ages. what's the justification for paying women less than men again ?
Immortal Emperor Paradox 3 years ago
The level of order determines the the amount of equality between the majority/stronger/oppressor group and the minority/weaker/oppressed group in a society/community. This may apply to almost all facets, like race, caste, sex, culture, ethnicity, etc. We've come a long way from when women were treated as objects, to chattels, to humans, although not absolutely. It's a given that the far future would be a much better place for everyone, including women. For our descendants, we would just be inferior, savage old farts.
Load More Replies... The Starsong Princess 3 years ago (edited)
Being called a Karen if you stand up for yourself or express any discontent. Send your undercooked chicken back in a restaurant? You’re a Karen. Want a company to honor their warranty? Karen. Expect a clerk to wait on you instead of the man who arrived after you? Karen. And on and on.
Kristin Ingersoll 3 years ago
That's... not what "Karen" means - it's how you go about things. And the fact that you're that clueless means... you might want to take a look at how you complain.
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
I'd like to publicly thank my mom, who managed to uninstall a lot of this in me before I even hit puberty, despite it being prevailing thinking of the time, and it being how she was raised.
Viney24 3 years ago
this is one my sister got a lot... shaving. women are expected to shave their legs armpits and other parts that they should only shave if they want to
Robert Thompson 3 years ago
I never understood this one. How has "hair" become ugly? Some covergirl stereotypes make sense to me, but not this one.
Load More Replies... Kensi 3 years ago (edited)
I got one too. I enjoy going to events (theatre for example) by myself (I am a woman) and for many men so far it has been like an invitation to come to me and (and I quote): "to keeping me company because I'm there alone". I never noticed it would happen to my male friend. I don't go there to meet men but simply to enjoy time there by myself.
whodunnitfan2013 3 years ago
I was taught to be submissive to men growing up, and to always look pleasing to men. F**k that. I'm still recovering from my misogynistic upbringing.
Enby.Minecraft.Bee. 3 years ago
If yall liked this yall should probably read the book "Cinderella is dead"
Jo Choto 3 years ago
Almost all of these issues relate to how the woman is perceived by the man for doing/not doing a thing. Fact is, the second women stop wanting the approval and desire of men, they will stop caring about doing or not doing most of the things on this list. We have the power. We have the choice.
Ashlie 3 years ago
Except when it comes to employment. The majority of higher management positions, boards of directors, etc. are held by men. Every time diversity is brought up, I get tepid agreement and then treated to a monologue about the need to hire quality candidates, as if hiring mostly white men meant that the company was hiring quality candidates.
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