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Someone Asked “What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?”, Here Are 30 Eye-Opening Answers
Philosophers and writers have long debated the roles people have played in influencing the progress of civilization. While Thomas Carlyle, for example, felt that great figures are key to guiding us forward, Leo Tolstoy, on the other hand, was of the belief that no individual can single-handedly steer the course of humanity, no matter what position they held.
Regardless of what the case might be, there are two kinds of people: those who are forgotten and those who live on in our collective memory. In an attempt to figure out if some of the latter are getting undeserved praise, Reddit user TGYHJDFGH made a post on the platform, asking everyone: "What beloved person in history should be hated?" and it was immediately flooded with answers.
But before you scroll down to check them out, I want to make things a little bit more interesting and/or complicated for you. Tell me, can we judge someone's morals after hundreds of years, when the entire cultural landscape has changed course? And where do we draw the line between what we can and cannot accept about someone's personal life if their work has transcended time and allowed countless people to find meaning?
I know, these are pretty tough questions. But humans are walking contradictions and it would be irresponsible to instantly dismiss the legacy of, say, the Founding Fathers or Mother Teresa.
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#1
Christopher columbus...didnt discover s**t and brought misery wherever he went.
Aran Lindvail 3 years ago
This needs to be higher. Columbus was THE WORST. Slavery, murder, torture, you name it.
Joe Reaves 3 years ago
And even at the time people considered him terrible. When he returned to Spain he was put in prison (they let him out for another voyage because they wanted to beat the Portuguese to an empire but at least they recognised he was terrible for a brief moment).
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Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
You cannot be said to have discovered a new land when the land in question already has a population.
J. F. 3 years ago (edited)
Not to mention that there are signs that ancients egypts, romans, kelts and vikings traveled over the atlantic WAY earlier than him
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sheila sinclair 3 years ago
This is why Columbus Day in the US should be changed to Indigenous Peoples Day.
glowworm2 3 years ago
So many of us kids had to learn about him incorrectly in school for years on his "holiday."
urlocalmtndewaddict 3 years ago
I prefer to celebrate Indigenous People's Day rather than Columbus Day (as someone with a decent amount of Native American blood, ofc, but I'd still want to even if I was just purely Caucasian because Christopher sucks)
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Eric G 3 years ago
And the mythology honoring him was completely made up by Washington Irving.
Viola Powell 3 years ago
He was really a cruel a**hole. The Native American people were murdered and raped by his crew.
claudette casey 3 years ago (edited)
The Spaniards did the same in central and south america which is the reason for Spanish language and Catholicism. Seems to me that all the nations of the world are guilty of slavery and injustices at some point in their histories. Slavery still exists in Africa, the Middle East, India, Asia, and parts of the south Americas. Why do we curse the past while ignoring the present?? Be proud of how far we have come from those soulless men of old. Celebrate our distance from that past. Be angry about the current humanitarian situations around the globe. Cracks me up how people complain about past slavery in USA while buying goods and apps from countries involved in human trafficking and organ harvesting etc. Guess it is easier to b***h about the barbaric past than to do anything about the present.
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Isaac7lego🇺🇸 3 years ago
I feel like he aint that beloved anymore, at my school at we learned about all the s**t he did
Trevor Nicholson 3 years ago
I've never really thought of him as "beloved". Like, what he did was sensationalized and glamourized but I've never thought of anyone being like "Yeah I love Columbus, he's my hero"
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#2
Mother Theresa. My father was a taxi driver in Australia and one of his customers was a man who'd been raised in Mother Theresa's orphanage. He said she beat him terribly.
Another user also added: She was obsessed with preventing wartime sexual abuse victims from getting abortions.
Her order sold babies.
She buddied up to dictators and accepted stolen cash from them.
Collected millions in donations and never spent them on her "houses of the poor" which were vermin infested crapholes where people went to die.
Refused pain medication for the dying and ill because she believed suffering = being close to god.
Had nothing but top of the line medical care for herself.
Lucifer 3 years ago
Teresa was a horrible human being. She believed that only through pain you can reach Christ, so let the people suffer in her care. And it was backed by the Catholic Church so that she can convert as many people as possible to Christianity. And the Western world backed her with billions in donations. (Read 'Missionary Position' By Christopher Hitchens)
Nathaniel 3 years ago
She denied her patients basic medical care. But when she fell ill? Only the best hospitals would do. Paid for by donations.
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Firkin Dirkin 3 years ago
Read about her "hospitals of pain" where patients were refused pain relief because "pain was god's gift". Seriously. Or was it so she could pocket the money? Millions in donations disappeared. And she never lived in poverty but in luxury. Another megachurch snake oil salesperson...
Tom Tom 3 years ago
This, so called "Mother" Theresa was a monster. She chose not to send the sick people to the hospital next door, which would have treated them for free, and could have cured many of their conditions (like cancer or autoimmune diseases), but she gave them only paliative care without painkillers and said a load of religious nonsense to them (and most of them were not Christians), so she actually caused far more harm than the available alternatives had to offer, and she inflicted upon these people long and painful deaths. She was a merchant of pain and suffering, which actually makes her an agent of evil!!!
Alexandra Konigsburg 3 years ago
She was called Mother because it was her clerical title, not because people found her especially maternal.
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Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! 3 years ago
Read "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens about her. He wanted to call it "Hell's Angel" but the publisher overrode him. She was a horrible human being. She could have built the first world-class hospital in the third world with all the money she received. Instead she let people suffer. Not as much as an aspirin.
Mimi Kal 3 years ago
That’s horrible!! So I do t think she made it to heaven.
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Aaron W 3 years ago
Mother Theresa could have prevented so much suffering among the people she worked with, but she refused to do so believing that their suffering brought them closer to God.
Leslie Brown 3 years ago
Most of the comments are from reading Hitchens' book. He was rabidly anti - religion, anti-catholic, and anti-anything that pointed to these. His book is a mishmash of hints, lies, and suspect testimony. I cannot blame his anger toward the Church and toward organized religion in general, in fact I share those emotions. However, I call BS on a lot of the anti-Theresa stuff. She was a difficult woman; her overriding devotion to God and carrying out of what she believed to be His will, was a tough act to be around. My best friend spent six months in Kolkata in her Houses of Dying. She was on the ground at the pallet side of these people and saw only kindness and the best treatment they could afford for them. Where are all these supposed millions that she received. She at one time was given money from a wealthy man. When it turned out that he was crooked and had used her for photo ops to sanitize his image, she returned the money and closed the door to any future donations.
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TKFitzy 3 years ago
Wow. That’s terrible. The sad part about Christianity is that the most corrupt people are the most well known Christians of today.
Bedlamite 3 years ago
It's my opinion that the more religion someone has in their mouth the less they have in their heart.
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Marco Hub-Dub 3 years ago
THIS!!! “The Missionary Position” by Christopher Hitchens has ALL the horrid receipts.
#3
Thomas Edison. I’ll never forgive him for what he did to Tesla.
Nunya Business 3 years ago
He electrocuted an elephant to death to prove his point about AC/DC electricity and I will forever detest him for that.
Jyri Hakola 3 years ago
That 's a hoax. Electrocution of that poor elephant happened 10 years after the war of currents and was a sick publicity stunt of an amusement park: "Without Alt to handle Topsy, the owners of Luna Park, Frederick Thompson and Elmer Dundy, claimed they could no longer handle the elephant and tried to get rid of her, but they could not even give her away and no other circus or zoo would take her. On December 13, 1902, Luna Park press agent Charles Murray released a statement to the newspapers that Topsy would be put to death within a few days by electrocution."
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Paul Davis 3 years ago
It's well known today how crooked Edison was. He robbed many other peoples' inventions, ran other companies out of business using underhanded and even illegal tactics. Was just a horrible human being by most accounts.
Tracy Sellars 3 years ago
Considering Elon Musk is the Edison of our time, does anyone else think it's ironic he is also associated with Tesla.
Earl Grey 3 years ago
I don’t know about that comparison with Edison, but if Musk gets his claws on Twitter, he will become the Jay Gould of the 21st Century: https://www.businessinsider.com/jay-gould-biography-2013-2
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Cara G 3 years ago
What JP Morgan did to Tesla was worse. Morgan was Tesla's financial backer for the radiant energy project that essentially could/would have provided free power to the entire world forever. At some point during Tesla's research, it occurred to Morgan that endless free energy would not provide him much return on his financial investment. So he had Tesla's NYC lab burned to the ground along with all of his research.
Adam Jeff 3 years ago
OK, Tesla was cool and all, but can we stop with the 'would have provided free power to the entire world' bulls**t? Tesla was a scientist, not a wizard. Technology has advanced far beyond where he was at - if radiant energy was as good as that don't you think we could have recreated it by now?
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Rachael Sampson 3 years ago
You could even say he never actually invented anything. He just patented MANY other people's works and made people think they were all made from him.
James Arvidson 3 years ago
Was a hack and thief of other ideas and inventions. Was a glory hound and greedy businessman. Nothing against businessmen. But he loved the spotlight and portraying himself as the inventor. He should have accepted he was the businessman, marketer, organizer, etc. And given credit to the rest of his team(s). Being the glory hound is what made him so terrible. He could have been so much more as the leader of amazing people. But ego got in the way of true greatness. He is the epitome of sleazy lying salesman.
#4
Ronald Reagan - moved somewhere between 50-80 TRILLION from middle class to upper 1%. Ruined America!
Lucifer 3 years ago
Reagan is the reason why America is in such a mess right now. He was the original cult leader, before Trump took over the GOP.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
10,000 upvotes. The first clueless celebrity pretending to be POTUS was Ronald Reagan. it was sheer luck for him that the USSR fell down when he happened to be in office. He also embraced the religious right, vs Nixon (who used them), and sold "trickle-down" economics somehow, which even as a kid I wondered how would work. Also conned people into de-unionizing and de-regulating. Horrible horrible POTUS
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Tom Susala 3 years ago
George Washington couldn't tell a lie, Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth, and Ronald Reagan couldn't tell the difference...
Powerful Katrinka 3 years ago
He has another terrible legacy: he (with his good buddy Rupert Murdock) abolished the Fairness Doctrine. The Fairness Doctrine was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints. Hey presto! Fox "News" was born.
MAL 3 years ago
He also completely ignored the AIDS crisis leading to thousands of American deaths. F**K REAGAN.
Freddy H 3 years ago
AIDS was first recognized as a disease in 1981, the first year of Reagan's administration. By 1982, the federal budget included funds for AIDS research. By the time he left office, that funding had increased eight-fold. His surgeon general, C Everett Koop, was tireless in trying to promote ways to slow the spread, with Reagan's approval. If you want to hate on Reagan, you're going to have to find a reason other than this.
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Jerry The Joker 3 years ago
I just finished a book on the Reagan presidency and there are so many repellent things in it I can't even tell you. But what stuck out was that Reagan and his wife were so embarrassed by their own supporters. They called them double Chromosome conservatives.Just like trump. And they installed all their wealthy friends in positions they weren't qualified for, and Nancy Reagan actually stole $3.5 million after she left the White House and nothing was ever done about it. The day that he decreed ketchup would be counted as a vegetable in school lunches, his wife bought $250,000 personal China for the White House. Just horrible horrible people. They only saw our country as a Grift. Just like trump.
Paul Davis 3 years ago
Destroyed the mental healthcare system, is the reason why the streets became overrun by the homeless. Helped overthrow democracies. Sold public assets and information to private companies for pennies on the dollar. The list goes on and on
SCP-3998 3 years ago
To be fair, the mental healthcare system was pretty s**t before that, and it hasnt evolved by a whole lot
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Luther von Wolfen 3 years ago
When I was a teen in the 80s, I hated Reagan because punks hated Reagan. It was just the thing to do. Then I grew up and learned better reasons to hate Reagan.
SCP-3998 3 years ago
I mean, 80s punks were a good group to follow if you wanted to know who the bad guys were. They knew what was up and had zero issues fighting it.
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Stephanie A Mutti 3 years ago
The percentages of high school graduates has severely dropped since his "trickle down economics" was put into effect. "Trickle down",,, is about right for what the bottom gets, like a tinkle stream.
Aria Whitaker 3 years ago
LOL...tinkle stream is a great way to describe that nonsense! My mom was a teacher and HATED Reagan! One of the reasons: Here in the US (not sure about other countries) we have a "food pyramid". It is supposed to give an idea of about how many servings of each food group you needed daily to stay healthy. Schools had to offer meals that satisfied requirements in the pyramid. One of those requirements were 2-4 servings of vegetables. So that the Reagan Administration could satisfy that requirement WITHOUT giving public schools additional funding for meals, he declared KETCHUP a "vegetable". All so he could cut money from education. So if a kid is served cheap french fries and ketchup...that is considered TWO full servings of vegetables. They could simply give you a ketchup packet and...bam...half the requirement has been met. She thought it was SO evil of him to do that to save a buck. She noted the quality of the food for her kids plummeted and their complaints about hunger grew. Evil.
Load More Replies... Bill Allen 3 years ago
As a young married couple, my wife and I were just approaching being lower middle class. Our taxes increased at least three times in the eight years Reagan was president. We got zero benefit from the extra taxes.
John Baker 3 years ago
Reagan raised taxes on the middle classes a total of eleven times to pay for his tax cuts for the rich.
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Terd Fergison 3 years ago
Can’t forget that he screwed the AIDS epidemic worse than trump screwed the COVID pandemic.
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Coco Chanel was a goddamn Nazi spy. Yes, she was an incredible designer, and she's probably one of the most influential humans of the 20th century, based on the number of people who have worn clothing directly inspired by her over the past 100 years. She really did change the way women dress in a truly radical way, and I respect that - knitwear, feminized menswear, ditching the corset, transforming black into an everyday color, the essential skirt suit, costume jewelry, synthetic fragrances in perfume, the list goes on.
But she was a goddamn Nazi spy. Coco was a wretched anti-Semite, like so many other members of the European elite during the 30s. She dated a number of staggeringly wealthy British aristocrats and they'd all sit around talking about the Protocols of Zion and s**t, trying to figure out whether any members of the royal family were secretly Jews, etc. When war broke out, the two Jewish brothers who ran her perfume empire (aka Chanel No 5, the best selling perfume in the world then and now) had to flee to the US for safety. How did Coco respond? By writing to the Nazis to ask them to transfer ownership over to her, a good Aryan, so she could make more money. But that's not the half of it.
She fell in love with a dashing German spy named "Spitz" who'd been seducing bluebloods all over France and England for years leading up the war. Coco was a useful woman - she was simply one of the richest women in the world, and she knew everyone in the British aristocracy, including her old hunting buddy and dear friend, Winston Churchill himself. She and Spitz socialized with all the biggest Nazi names in town, especially Otto Abetz, the Nazi ambassador to France, who invited them to every party in town. Spitz convinced her to join the Abwehr (aka the German secret service) and make trips to Spain. Operating under the code name "Westminster", she attempted to broker a "separate peace" between Germany and England. (In the meantime, she may or may not have reported at least one woman at the Hotel Ritz whom she suspected of being Jewish to the SS.) She had a grand old time going on her adventures, and wrote about the excitement of working for the Abwehr in her private notes.
Chanel was arrested only a few days after the liberation of Paris - absolutely everyone in town knew what she'd been doing and who she'd been doing it with - but for rEaSoNs UnKnOwN she was released without charges. It's widely believed that Winston Churchill personally intervened. It might be because the two of them had been close friends for decades. It might be because she was going to embarrass the s**t out of Britain by outing all the anti-Semites and pro-Nazis in the British aristocracy - including the recently abdicated Edward VIII who used his f***ng honeymoon as an excuse to tour Nazi Germany and shake Hitler's hand. She spent the rest of her life being a nasty, bitter morphine addict living in the Hotel Ritz. The House of Chanel has very, very little to say about the matter, and every few years a few more bits of damning evidence are declassified from the vaults.
If you want to learn more, I did a whole episode about her Nazi days in my French history podcast: "The Collaborator"
Mor Schlesinger 3 years ago (edited)
Very true. But! As I was researching to try and figure out whether I should boycott Chanel products or not, I realized that Chanel is now fully owned by the Wertheimer family- the same Wertheimers who Coco Chanel tried to strip of their 70% original ownership of the company during WWII. So yeah, Chanel is now Jewish-owned and Coco can toss and turn in her grave 🤭
Rannveig Ess 3 years ago
These are all true. Yet people still support these companies and people: (1) - The famous designer, Hugo Boss, was personally a Nazi and designed the uniforms for the SS officers and everyone involved, H1tler Youth, Brown shirts & Guard uniforms. Those snazzy Black SS uniforms you see in movies? Boss designated it all. He used thousands of Polish and French slaves to sew them . Yet people still buy BOSS shirts, suits, socks, sunglasses, cologne (2) The Nazis designed and built the first VW bugs. H1tler himself helped design it. {3} Fanta cola, sold in 188 countries, was first produced in Nazi Germany. Coca Cola owns it. {4} the founders of BMW auto were Nazi collaborators. (5) Kodak Did Business With Nazi Germany During the War, and Profited From the Use of Slave Labor {6} Siemens AG is Europe’s biggest industrial manufacturing company. They used concentration camp slave labor to gain their wealth. They also patented Zyklon but withdrew it after the blowback. cont...
Rannveig Ess 3 years ago
{7} IBM helped the Nazis build a plant in Germany and gave them technology for the first of the punch-card way of keeping data so the POWs and prisoners could be kept in an organized way. {8} Bayer, the German pharmaceutical company (Aspirin, wonder drugs and for soccer fans, as the initial sponsors of Bundesliga club Bayer Leverkusen) became part of IG Farben which manufactured Zyklon-B. 24 of their directors were brought up on war crimes. {9} The Associated Press self-Censored and fired its German Jewish staff to placate the Nazis. Images and stories provided to Germany appeared in Nazi propaganda, some were altered, and nearly all their captions were changed to conform to the official Nazi viewpoint. More here: https://historycollection.com/10-famous-companies-collaborated-nazi-germany/10
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Seán Baron 3 years ago
You can add Hugo Boss to this, he personally designed and made the SS Uniforms.
Larezza Truman 3 years ago
This was informative and well written. Thank you for sharing, I had no idea before reading this.
Sandeep Jani 3 years ago
Most of France were Hitler’s willing executioners. Anti-Semitism is at core of French Catholicism. The majority of Free-French forces came from France’s colonies in North and West Africa, and Southeast Asia
Mermaid Elle-Jaye 3 years ago (edited)
Hahahah well I love I’m Roma and buy Chanel number 5 😆 I hope she likes knowing that the ‘scum of Europe’ (they refer to us as so) can afford and swears by it 😂 I hope she’s loving it. Also when I was more $$ I used to use Chanel coco for my hair only cos that’s all it as good for
Randy Klefbeck 3 years ago
Hugo Boss designed the uniforms of the SS. Adidas made the boots for the Wehrmacht.
Lyone Fein 3 years ago
I think it's interesting that so much verbiage is spent on vilifying this woman. And so little is said about all the men on this list so far.
#6
Pablo Picasso, he was misogynistic and sexually assaulted women
Hutt'nKloas 3 years ago
Where did you find that info, as nothing pops up. Fine to accuse people of something they did but not if it is only a rumour, especially if they cant defend themselves anymore.
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Oskar Dora 3 years ago
Every art is over rated.. every song thats new right now is just a remake, nothing is new
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Tom Hanlin 3 years ago
Sure, he was awful. I am still not sure how you look at a painting and decide that you need to know everything about the painter's life. It's irrelevant and makes you look like a stalker.
Mermaid Elle-Jaye 3 years ago (edited)
True, and like you have to separate the two, the artist from the actual person, like I love Michael Jackson’s music but I hate the man he was. Also enjoy hitlers paintings and he’s not in the good books at all throughout our entire race and family let alone the world.
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Jiminy 3 years ago
If you think he only did cubes, you obviously did not look at his art enough...
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Patrick Timmel 3 years ago
Picasso the anti Van Gogh. His talent is perhaps over rated. His greatest artistic creation was himself.
Eulalie Grace 3 years ago
Picasso and Dali are extremely over-rated. And they were their own best publicity
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#7
Gandhi. After learning all the colorist and racist s**t he would say to those who had darker complexion or those of African descent in my 8th grade year i haven’t seen him the same.
Aran Lindvail 3 years ago
He also had horrible views on rape, e.g. it was impossible for a woman to be raped if she was just pure enough, and that it was a-ok for families to murder rape victims for family honor and similar BS.
Joy 3 years ago
The social and cultural hierarchy of colour throughout India is startling. There are people in thrall to lighter skin while deeper tones are seen as in-valid. The snobbery is very much alive in wealthy Indian families across the world.
Narwhal Blast 3 years ago
Is there evidence he raped them? I'm just curious. I want to be naive enough and think that he didn't give in to the temptation. For my sanity.
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Queen Jackson. 3 years ago
I’m not sure if I wanna keep reading this article…
Load More Replies... RJ 3 years ago
Dude was a wife beater, although he later saw the error of those ways (see his autobiography). Would have been cancelled quick in this era.
Chris McCabe 3 years ago
There's a reason why 'Gandhi sells', & it's to do with non-threatening action being so much more agreeable to the oppressor.
Mr Zipperface 3 years ago
Yeah Putin would love the Ukrainians to adopt passive resistance.
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Imogene Cargeaux 3 years ago
Wait didn't he like borderline sexually assault women in his own family in the name of "seeing if he could resist his urges" or something like that? I could be wrong. Don't quote me! I remember reading something about forcing underage girls to lay in bed with him naked and s**t. Idk. Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else. But I could of swore it was him
aceofspades 3 years ago
...so he slept with naked woman and children to.. see if he could resist his urges.. that's bad all in it's self, but then it implies that he felt sexual urges towards underaged children.
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Tushar Roy Mukherjee 3 years ago
Also ,Had enough sway over the masses of India, AND the British Government to prevent the Execution of Bhagat Singh and Co., AND the final Partition of India, but did neither of those things. Not to mention that he prevented Dr. B.R. Ambedkar from bringing in laws to the Constitution of India , that would not only have uplifted the minorities wayyy more than it was made possible after the framing of the Indian Constitution, but would also have forced those aspiring for Government Jobs from said minorities to work just as hard as those students from non minority communities to get said job. And the most clearly evident one- Calling off the Non-Cooperation Movement for the Chauri-Chura incident. Coz a few f*ckig English Policemen were kileed, he literally brought to a full stop a movement that was so damn effective at crippling the British Government . We don't even speakof his atrocities on those who did not align with his Non-violent views regarding fighting off the British .
Display Name 3 years ago
He whitewashed Moplah riots and Direct Action Day riots. He was obsessed with showing the other cheek like Teresa was with suffering.
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#8
Bill Cosby. America's dad. Up until those allegations started
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
he had creepy eyes IMO even when I was little, and being little, I'd say "creeper eyes"...
Bedlamite 3 years ago
I remember a Bill Cosby album from when I was a kid, he used to talk about giving women Spanish fly so they would have sex with him. Mind you this was in the 70s so nobody thought too much about it. Fast forward to 2000 something and all these women are coming out of the woodwork accusing him of using date rape drugs on them. I absolutely never doubted them for a second.
rabbit 3 years ago
He recorded a whole bit about "Spanish fly". He thought it was funny and so did the guys. I didn't agree but who am I but a woman who should be given Spanish fly.
James Campbell 1 year ago
I could never understand why he was thought to be funny. When I was younger I had no idea what Spanish Fly was. As I grew and became more knowledgeable I still didn't like his humour but began to not like the Man either.
Load More Replies... Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
Cos is one of the few celebrities I knew was awful, even as a child, since my mom had a run-in with him in the early-70s. Just a complete and utter a-hole to everyone, yelling, cursing. I loved the Cosby show so much, and A Different World had a massive influence on me, but I knew that "America's Dad" and Bill Cosby were not the same.
UDERSERVELOVE! 3 years ago
I have a rule about people like this. The rule is: you are allowed to hate people but like their work. The same goes for J.K . Rowling, Norman Mailer etc. It is an extremely helpful rule. It can also be turned backwards to: You can like the people and hate their works.
GettheOtis 3 years ago
This needs to be higher, but unfortunately people are in such deep denial
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
It HURTS. It's like finding out Mike Brady was a pedophile or something. (I know about the importance of TV dads, esp. Brady ones.) Some of us didn't have dads IRL, so we had everyone from Luiz on Sesame Street to Cliff Huxtable and Mr. Keaton instead. And it hurts and screws up your whole childhood when you find out the ones you looked to for protection and stability are rotten to the core. Even the TV ones.
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Kim Lorton 3 years ago
I really want to know how his wife never knew or suspected him of this behavior? To let him entertain all those young women and rising stars, without a chaperone?? Makes me think she was either drugged herself so she had no clue, or she new and was just u willing or unable to do anything about it for whatever reason. And then, to hear all the allegations, and proof to back them all up, did she have any shame or come forward? Support those young women, and say he used to give her a special tea before bed, and it would knock her out so she had no clue.. I only come to those two conclusions about it. And it literally chaps my butt, to know some dirtbag, didn’t do something right and his lawyers were able to dismiss his whole abuse history and pull him out of jail.
Sarah K 3 years ago
I will forever be in shock over Cosby. I grew up watching him and thought the world of him. He was a kind, smart, authority figure that I idolized I guess. When I went to college, the reruns were comforting; I was away from home, but I could still return to that tv home with Bill Cosby making jokes and just being such an amazing dad. It's hard mentally to separate a fake acting role from an actual person. For me.
#9
Woodrow Wilson.
Guy was majorly racist, segregated the military, kicked black people out of the government, he screened a KKK movie in the White House and was a strong defender of the KKK. Even for his time he was considered racist
Aria Whitaker 3 years ago (edited)
Yep. After Andrew Jackson, he is my second most hated US President. Trump is in a close third now, though....with Reagan not too far behind.
Joseph Hawk 3 years ago
He also lead the way on redrawing country boarders after WW1, completely ignoring cultural boundaries, and is now the founding father of most of the turmoil in the Middle East.
Sam J 3 years ago (edited)
Worst president in the history of the United States, (though Johnson and Buchanan aren't much better) and yet he somehow consistently ranks high in historians' ratings of the presidents. I believe in the most recent survey he was ranked at 11. He's been falling but the fact he's not far, far lower is horrible. But hey, at least his wife did a bit after he had that stroke. We can *technically* say we've had a female president. Also wasn't he the one who allowed the Treaty of Versailles to happen, basically making a WW2 inevitable because it sent Germany into economic crisis?
Sam J 3 years ago
You want a good video explaining some of the s**t he's done, take a look at Vlogging Through History's video about him that he made titled "Why Woodrow Wilson is my ALL TIME favorite US president". It's was made on April first, so it's just him talking about how shitty the dude was for 12 minutes. I love every second of that video.
Load More Replies... Robin Roper 3 years ago
Yes, he loved "Birth of a Nation." After viewing he, he said, "It's like writing history with lightning. My only regret is that it is all so terribly true."
James Arvidson 3 years ago
Speechless due to the damage his policies did to this country and the world that many do not recognize today. But hindsight is 20/20 so it is easy to call out now.
Roz Klaiman 3 years ago
"War is the American way of life," said US historian Paul Atwood, noting that the US was born, grew, and became a superpower out of war, slavery, and human slaughter. In its more than 240-year-long history since declaring independence on July 4, 1776, there have only been 16 years in which the US was not at war. From the end of World War II (WWII) to 2001, the US has initiated 201 of the 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations, accounting for over 80 percent of total wars fought.
#10
PT BARNUM.
Most people know but due to the romanticization of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did an ungodly experiments on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them, and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.
Florence 3 years ago (edited)
i loved the greatest showman and i knew these things but i didn’t realize how the greatest showman was covering up the true stories of how shitty he was
Skylar Jaxx 3 years ago
The film was very much romanticized but I agree knew he was a monster but still enjoyed the greatest showman
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The lesbian knitting panda 3 years ago
yeah, many animals died due to fires that were arson related he was a phsyco.
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Gerry Higgins 3 years ago
All of his Freak Show employees got very rich. General Tom Thumb and others said only good things about him. In that era Freak Shows were common so we can't blame Barnum for that cultural thing. Today we have Kardashians and the Internet for watching strange things.
The lesbian knitting panda 3 years ago
general Tom thumb was a person who he exploited from the age of five, he forced to say that Barnum was a kind person when P.T.Barnum went 'bankrupt'. except he didn't, he put all his wealth in his wife's bank account in order to claim benefit. Animals in his shows repeatedly died from the fires that burnt down his circuses. POC were exhibited as unnatural beings and were often compared to animals. You can't compare him to people who have a s**t tv show and Botox.
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Susan Widomski 3 years ago
I, too, loved "The Greatest Showman" but only as a movie that was fun, not a biography of a terrible human being.
Erin Eubanks 3 years ago
Brigham Young went with him on tour, like all the time. And had a woman in "every port". He's a POS too
Emperor Kitten 3 years ago
Barnum also had a slave, despite it being illegal at the time, as part of his side show. He claimed she was 160 years old and George Washington's former maid. On top of the side show he had her do odd jobs around the circus, despite her old age (prob 80s). When she eventually died, likely due to exhaustion and overworking, he had her autopsied during a show.
Lioness Nature 3 years ago
Also despite what the film depicted starring Hugh Jackman. The greatest show man had a hard time keeping it in his pants. His wife and children knew. He slept with all the female perfotmers that were deemed beautiful and normal.
Vetus Vespertilio 3 years ago
Even in the 1950’s and early 1960’s, freak shows were an accepted entertainment in many areas. I remember being taken to one when I was 7 or 8 years old. It was sad and frightening.
#11
John Lennon. Treated like s**t during his childhood, whinges about it his whole life, then does the exact same thing to his son Julian.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
I have always had a soft spot for Julian, and for how he's been able to deal with his dad's failings and yet still be a good brother to Sean, who had a very different father-son experience. Some of us just have sh!t dads who never loved us enough and bailed on us as soon as they can. Having Paul McCartney sing "Hey Jude" for us helps a bit.
Amy Taylor 3 years ago
My dad was a crap father when he left our family when I was 12. He remarried and had another child when I was 29. He's an amazing dad to him and I'm really happy that he's changed and I now have a great relationship with him. I've had to forgive him for a lot and how he was never there for me growing up. He's a wonderful grandfather to my daughters.
Load More Replies... Bedlamite 3 years ago
George Harrison was a far superior artist and talent but was shoved into background by Paul and John.
David Henry 3 years ago
Also worth nothing the world owes Yoko Ono a huge apology. He beat her mercilessly and DEMANDED she go wherever he go...even to take a s**t. She didn't break them up, he DRAGGED her there.
Abogs 3 years ago
Why does the world owe Yoko Ono an apology for not leaving an abusive relationship?
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Manu 3 years ago
Here's a beer for you good person. Thanks for agreeing with me that Imagine is one of the worst songs ever
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Beat both his wives. Abandoned his first wife and child for Yoko. Had Sean and he got stoned and didn't sober for 7 years. Maids had to raise the little boy.
Manu 3 years ago
My opinion is that most of the songs he collaborated in while on the Beatles were quite bland. I was marveled when I discovered The Beatles as a child and then went WTF when I heard the ballad of John and yoko. That song is simply horrible. Then his "I'm a genius " attitude, ego, violence etc. And then you have Imagine, which is frankly a very poor song, boring and repetitive, ND last you have let's give peace a chance, which is the laziest attempt to a song, awful to the bone. I can't recall one single song by him thats remotely worth it. Opposite to Paul McCartney or George Harrison, whose work is flawless, honest and amazing
Patricia Stilwell 3 years ago
Interesting. I think McCartney's songs are silly fluff for the most part. Yesterday? Boring. In Silly Love Songs he shows everyone he knows his songs are vapid.
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Lisa Samuelson 3 years ago
I have always felt bad for Julian Lennon because of the way his father treated him and his mother Cindy. I totally love his music and knew he was a tortured & discarded soul in the eyes of his father which made me hate John Lennon all the more! I think it's very sad that Julian never married or had children because of his difficult relationship with his father and didn't want any of his father's shortcomings to come out!!
Glen MacLeod 3 years ago
Thank you! It needed to be said. Selfish, arrogant ahole. And that banal, whiney anthem " Imagine" describing a world devoid of culture variety and diversity, like a giant bowl of unsalted oatmeal. What a t**t. Julian should change his last name.
#12
Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her
CMDR unematti 3 years ago
I think you just opened my eyes to something big...
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Jerry The Joker 3 years ago
Don't forget we can always thank her for the garbage humans that are Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil.
Paul Davis 3 years ago
To be fair, Dr. Oz started out well with all evidence-based, grounded medical advice. But a year or two after his show started he just went off the rails and started promoting scam products and giving out crappy advice for the bucks.
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Mr Zipperface 3 years ago
There's the post the other day telling how she "tipped" a server with an autographed napkin, that type of behaviour shows her true character.
Jerry The Joker 3 years ago
I saw that. Can you imagine? If I had a billion dollars I'd be tipping EVERYONE 1k minimum.
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Needmorecowbell 3 years ago
I will never for the day I lost all respect for her. It was a show about “manners” and she said (roughly), “I hate it when people ask me if I remember them—of course I don’t, I meet 1000s of people!” The “mannerly” response should have been, “I’m sorry I don’t, but it’s lovely to meet you again!” Self-important b***h.
Tonya Wallace 3 years ago (edited)
Oprah was severely abused as a child. For some reason we tend to forget that abuse can sometimes mold a person into an awful human being. She never fooled me. The orphanage that she built in some African country (I don't remember) reported multiple abuses to those poor girls. I'm waiting for the curtains to get pulled back on her.
No you can't have my name 3 years ago
Abuse is not an excuse to let someone get away with being horrible.
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Uber Mensch 3 years ago
If you watch her old OPRAH programs, you'll see that she had a tendency (!!!) ask her guests questions, then interrupt them to talk about herself.
Joy 3 years ago
There have been rumours about Oprah for years but unlike Ellen DeGeneres, she still has the right kind of friends. Being a billionaire can be helpful like that. I'd also add that Winfrey's no fool. She's probably exceptionally generous to her staff knowing that a shedload of NDAs won't save you if the ship goes down.
Rachel Blatt 3 years ago
Oprah is an actress first and foremost. She has been a 'Fake' from the start. All the so called, 'Gifts' she gives to make her look so generous, are simply part payments by the Companies who advertise on her talk show. 'Oprah' isn't giving away a Toyota, toyota gave her the vehicle as part payment to advertise...
Megan Boomershine 3 years ago
I believe as of today only 30ish of the 700 cars she gave away were actually accepted due to the 7k in tax expected upon pickup. No one could actually afford the cars.
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Thomson StClair 3 years ago
She's also responsible for unleashing Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz and Joel Osteen onto the world. She falls for, and endorses junk science and diet fads and all other kinds of stupid s**t. She's an idiot.
#13
Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.
Anna Tribe 3 years ago
Actually Pedophiles are attracted to children that haven't gone through puberty yet. He just had a thing for teenagers.
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Laura Dawson 3 years ago
She was 14, he was 24. Priscilla herself said they would go upstairs & make out & other things but they never had sex (if you believe that) but she was 14 with a grown man. That’s not normal & Elvis fans need to stop coming up with excuses like it was a different time. No.
Nandina 3 years ago
Then they married, she had a baby and Elvis lost all interest in her because she was a mother now.
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Very common though for the time and place. My grandfather was in his 50s when he married my 16 grandmother. One aunt married a guy in his 60s when she was a teen.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
It's really only been in the last generation that we've expanded our understanding of adolescence beyond high school. Even in my generation, Gen X, I have a few classmates who married teachers. Of course, it was also a Christian high school, so grooming is pretty much baked in.
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I am SO GLAD people are finally talking about this. For decades, since I first read excerpts of Elvis and Me as a 14 year old myself, I knew this was completely effed up, and while Priscilla's parents are questionable AF, the cult of celebrity and yes-men around Elvis clearly demonstrates how if you're rich and famous, you can have whatever you want, whenever you want it, no matter who it hurts.
Mermaid Elle-Jaye 3 years ago (edited)
I hate when it’s brought up people from the era say, oh but it was different times and you just gave permission as a parent to let them take your 14 yr old daughter with him etc because he’s famous 😒
another one 3 years ago
I mean, the prophet Mohammad took a 9 year old wife, but people worship him.
iseefractalz 3 years ago
This is another example of "product of his time" is it creepy by today's standards? Absolutely. Was it commonplace for the era? Absolutely. It wasn't weird for college age guys to date high school age girls, nor was it that uncommon for 15/16/17 year olds to be married to someone 10 years their senior, with children up through the 1960's. Trying to vilify someone for something that was the social norm at the time, isn't really useful.
angied4liberty 3 years ago
My Mom was 15 and my Dad was 21 when they got married in 1974
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Concept-Peter Roosdorp 3 years ago
If I remember correctly, he was 18 and stationed in germany when he met his future wife, when she was 14.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
He was in his 20s. He registered at 18, but he was 21-22 when he was sent over, and 22-23 when he met 14-year-old Priscilla.
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Maria-Cristina Cris 3 years ago
The 14 years old was not other but Priscilla Presley and she mentions in her bio that they didn't have sex before they got married. Their daughter was born exactly 9 months after their wedding. Meanwhile he had other women and she was even angry about that but he didn't have sex with her. With a little bit of research you can easily find more info about this.
#14
King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.
He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.
Joy 3 years ago
The royal family have more secrets than the Vatican and are just as determined to hold onto the devotion, worship and wealth.
Anna Tribe 3 years ago
This is the reason I'm glad he stepped down as King and our Queen's father became King instead.
Quasar 3 years ago
fun fact Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany did more to stand up to Hitler than King Edward of England, he even had the last laugh after he denied being given an elaborate funeral that would've given the Nazis support from many nobles and monarchists, and instead requested to be baried near his home in the Netherlands, hell he even one time stated "im ashamed of being German" after seeing German treatment of Jews and Dutch, the only time i can think of where he praised Hitler was when he defeated France and even then it was only a half-hearted praise
The Scout 3 years ago
In classical men's fashion circles, he is also said to have been responsible for such heinous crimes as the popularization of multicolor Fair Isle sweaters, suede slippers, braided belts and velvet dinner jackets.
Queen Jackson. 3 years ago (edited)
I always wonder what juicy but f****d us secrets the u.s. Government has. I mean there’s the obvious stuff, but there’s gotta be….more?
Evelyn Haskins 3 years ago
I don't think that is hard to find. I mean REALLY!! A nation that elects Donald Trump as President has the hide to criticise our (British) Royal Family??? A Nation that bullies 'friendly" countries into allowing US military establishments in other's countries and bans those Nations from entering them???
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Quiltin Mammar 3 years ago
That woman coming into his life was the best thing that ever happened for the country. His brother was an amazing king
#15
Steve Jobs. The way he treated his family is horrible.
Gary Davidson 3 years ago
I worked midnight shift security for the (at that time, "elite"), 5-star, 5-diamond, Boca Raton Hotel & Club in the mid-1980's. In those days, it was the kind of hotel where it was $800 a night for a hotel room & dinner at the top of the tower restaurant.....it wouldn't have been unusual for dinner for two to cost over $900 (Black tie). Apple had it's first employee party at the hotel after announcing earnings. I saw Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak roaming around that evening after the event at the Great Hall. Later that evening, all hell broke loose as the Apple employees completely trashed the hotel. They pulled every fire alarm they could find, broke fire extinguisher glass and sprayed extinguishers throughout the property, they took a fire hose across a 2nd floor balcony to the hotel's executive offices, busted the glass doors and flooded the offices with the fire hose. Needless to say, the hotel banned Apple from ever holding another event at the hotel!
Paul Davis 3 years ago
I never understood the worship some people seemed to show for his "genius". I could be amazing too if all I had to say to a huge staff of designers and engineers is "make this thing" and it would happen.
Jon Steensen 3 years ago (edited)
...and his employees too. His strive for perfection and results put them under a lot of stress, and he is famous for being short tempered
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
If you just find out even the tiniest bit about how he and his second wife treated his daughter Lisa, your blood will boil.
GenericPanda09 3 years ago
It's amazing how many people think he actually invented mp3 players or smartphones rather than just ran a company that designed their own version of an existing invention.
Nameless 4 3 years ago
I remember watching a video of Jobs speaking at a graduation event at a college in 2005, and all I could think of during it was "This has aged HORRIBLY"
#16
Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren
Joy 3 years ago
Indeed. He was a miserable sonofabitch who used his skill to belittle, mock and humiliate actresses.
Robert Peters-Gehrke 3 years ago
And a brilliant film director whose films I love and enjoy.
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John Baker 3 years ago (edited)
If not worse. Shelley Duvall never really recovered from the crap he put her through during the filming of The Shining. Speaking of which, Kubrick was also pretty abusive toward the properties he bought the film rights to, often turning them into something that only vaguely resembled the original story. ;-)
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Daniele Tigli 3 years ago
I wonder where the red line is when you're using your very peculiar "method" to get the best performance
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Alvin Rendell 3 years ago
Ho victimised Suzanne Pleshette because she used to call him out on his behaviour toward women. She suffered for being vocal.
Graham Fedrick 3 years ago
Fat Little Man Syndrome. Destroyed Tippi's career because she refused his attempts to have sex with her.
Irene Bucior 1 year ago
Bullsht. Tippi was the only one to complain. Other actresses like Grace Kelly and other women said no such thing happened to them. Tippi was angry he wouldn’t hire her again.
Karen Lyon 3 years ago
He was a really good husband, father, and grandfather. I can't completely hate him. But yeah: a d**k to work under, especially if you were a woman.
#17
Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..
He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.
In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.
Sick f**k, who would do this to their own child.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
"Who would do this to their own child". In that era? Quite a few people, unfortunately. The lobotomy at that time was peddled as a "cure" ----- they truly didn't know better.
Rachael Sampson 3 years ago
It wasn't just that, it was the fact that her mother told him not to do it but he ignored his wife's wishes and did it behind her back.
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Firkin Dirkin 3 years ago
As a retired psychiatric practitioner i must say that they did know.. not peddled as a cure but as a control of behaviour and it is still done today... also, he was a bootlegger and criminal who worked alongside infamous mafia top dogs. The more you learn about him the worse it gets...
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
*Some knew*. Moreover, it was in fact sold as if it would cure things, b/c some practitioners claimed 85% success rate, which was utter bollocks, but then as now everyday people didn't have the access to the facts.
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Colin Ball 3 years ago (edited)
He wasn’t even trying to help her, he had her lobotomized so that she wouldn’t embarrass the family. She was diagnosed with depression not a brain disorder. She was awake during the lobotomy just mildly sedated so that they could ask her questions and decide when to stop scrambling her brain. Then after he realized it didn’t work had her locked away and never saw her again, her mom only visited her once and they didn’t tell their other children anything so they didn’t even know what had happened or where she was. It wasn’t until Joe had a stroke in 1961 that the family found out and most of them didn’t visit either.
Alexandra Konigsburg 3 years ago
It is still common practice to keep patients awake during many brain surgeries to prevent injuries.
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Kookamunga 3 years ago
Joe Kennedy was a bootlegging pig. And the JFK presidency was revered as the "age of Camelot", but Jack was quite the pig himself. Like Dad, he slept with lots of other woman during his marriage and was pretty blatant about it.
Memere 3 years ago
I remember reading something about Jacqueline backing out of her engagement to JFK, & Daddy Joe paid a huge sum of money to her so she would marry JFK. Her mother, sister, & she were almost bankrupt & about to lose their home. She married JFK to save her family.
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Kay blue 3 years ago
I remember reading somewhere that his wife repeatedly told him not to allow the lobotomy.
Pamela Blue 3 years ago
Yes, Rose forbade it. That's why he did it while she was away.
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Weim Central 3 years ago
But the reason for the lobotomy was fear of HER promiscuity!
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🧶𝔹𝕚𝕥𝕔𝕙 𝕂𝕟𝕚𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣🪡 3 years ago
What's even sadder is how Rosemary got that way to begin with. IIRC from my readings, his wife was in active labor but the doctor was late to arrive for whatever reason. The nurses literally forced her legs shut to prevent Rosemary from being born, delaying the birth and cutting her off from oxygen 🤦🏻♀️ She would have been born perfectly healthy had they just allowed the birth to proceed (*her mother had already given birth before, FFS!) By all accounts, Rosemary was also still a very attractive young woman whose sexual desires were awakening and who saw no problem acting on them. It was easier to damage her brain even more than allow a young woman autonomy over her body, lest it embarrass the family. That poor girl was failed at every point in her life 😔
John Dilligaf 3 years ago
this isn't the only awful thing Joe Kennedy did. The man was an absolute waste of human flesh
#18
8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.
Eric G 3 years ago (edited)
John Wayne was definitely racist. Remember the playboy article where he said “I believe in white supremacy,” he said, and spoke harshly about African Americans, saying, “We can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks.” “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people,” he said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. And Clint Eastwood talks to invisible people in chairs.
John Baker 3 years ago
I actually used to like Eastwood until I learned what a douche he is.
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Zero 3 years ago
That was a crazy event. Marlon Brando was getting an award and sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline the award and give a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native Americans.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
Another comparable event is when Sinead O'Connor tore up the Pope's picture on SNL and said "Fight the real enemy" because of the Catholic church's covering up of rampant pedophilia. Men like Frank Sinatra were loudly proclaiming their desire to "punch her in the face" and "shut her mouth." Old white men REALLY don't like having their status quo questioned by women.
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Asher Tye 3 years ago
He had a bear sedated, captured and restrained. As the bear was waking up, John Wayne shot the still groggy animal so that he could claim he killed a wild bear.
Charlie W. 3 years ago
Let's not forget that he was a drunk that beat not only his wife but, his mistresses too
Richard Head 3 years ago
Marion was a truly shitty person who let the rest of his generation go and fight fascists' while he stayed home and banged starlets.... All image and no substance!
SoozeeQ 3 years ago
But...but...he was in Iwo Jima! There's photographic evidence! olv819d.jpg 
Gwen Feldman 3 years ago
Read Playboy Interviews in '68 - Didn't think Blacks deserved rights because we were "an ignorant, violent" people. Nice guy. NOT
#19
Einstein wasn’t a great guy. Brilliant, sure, but kinda douchy in his personal life.
He refused to marry his long time lover for years, even after she got pregnant. The child was assumed to be given up for adoption, but no record has ever been found.
He and his wife, Mileva Marić, worked together on their research. People saw them do it. They made jokes about it at parties. He proudly told people that she did all his calculations. They only put his name on their work and he went on to claim all the credit - ignoring any work she had done. Part of their agreement was that she would get the Nobel prize money but he tried to prevent that.
She raised two children - one schizophrenic - took care of the house and tutored to bring in extra money because he couldn’t get a job for a long time. He started getting more notoriety and then began an affair with his first cousin.
He moved to a different country to be with his new hillbilly mistress. He divorced his wife and quickly married the new, younger model. He had rules she had to abide by, such as leaving the room immediately when told and not expecting or asking for any sort of affection except when necessary for appearances sake.
Elsa, his second wife, was dying and he worked nonstop because he didn’t know what to do (I guess). She was basically abandoned her last few months.
He cheated on both his wives, numerous times. Ignored his children. Oh - and he was pretty into his second wife’s daughter and thought about marrying her instead.
Bee she/her 3 years ago
About the missing child, there is a series called The Missing By Marget Peterson Haddix, book fives discusses it
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Marrying one's cousin happened a lot in the world, but Elsa was a two-fer: First cousin on his mother's side, second cousin on his father's side. Speaking from "hillbilly" country, no, we don't do that.
Priscilla Reshell 3 years ago
Wtf? No one teaches you the dark side of history but this is just... bad
iseefractalz 3 years ago
The bit about him having "rules" was his response to Mileva refusing to grant him a divorce. This wasn't some power move or toxic "quirk" He made clear that he wasn't happy in the marriage and wanted to move on, she refused to agree (if i recall correctly both parties had to agree for the divorce to be granted) This was his attempt to make himself painfully clear about what life would be like if he was forced to remain married to her.
Sarah Moeding 3 years ago
"Hillbilly mistress"? Is there going to be a point where the rich cultures of the Appalachians aren't distilled into this nonsense? Never mind his cousin is also German like him, and not at all from Appalachia. And that marrying one's cousin has absolutely no bearing on children and is perfectly legal in most states. The first child discussed here was with Mileva, who later became his wife. It's more likely the child died. And the contract discussed was with her because she refused to give him a divorce, and those were his terms for staying in the marriage. I would expect the same things from someone who refused to give me a divorce out of spite. And it's understood that he and his second wife, his cousin, had an arrangement in regard to him having extramarital relationships; a fact of many marriages that's none of our business.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Speaking as someone whose dad was Appalachia, and who lives there now ---- I'm with you. it's insane that we're mocked like this (Go to hell, JD Vance, you're from friggin' Ohio, that's not Appalachia).
Load More Replies... CMDR unematti 3 years ago
This looks tame compared to ones that came before. I hear worse about "good Christian" families
PandaRave 3 years ago
I’m sorry, but he just contributed too much to humanity to be seen as a bad person. Douchebag, yes. But that’s not enough to not be respected in the books
Peryton 3 years ago
His wife was literally doing his calculations. So maybe he's not the single source genius he was made out to be in the first place.
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Tiffany Garduno 3 years ago
If you ever think that one person's contribution to the world is more important than who they are, just remember that eventually all things are created. It's just someone in particular who gets to it first. Many things are invented that are the same but of course the first patent is the one with the notoriety. Look it up. One person is not going to stop humanity I promise you.
Concept-Peter Roosdorp 3 years ago
I recently saw a documentary about most of this. Very interesting.
#20
Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.
Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he tried to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad
Tigerpacingthecage 3 years ago
People (men, or ok "not all men") still try to label women as crazy or mentally unfit to get what they want.
Kaj Boelsen 3 years ago
“Female hysteria” Was a legit medical diagnosis into 1900 and treated even with lobotomy.
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Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
He also helped arrange for "fallen women"--usually prostitutes--to be sent to Australia to be "saved" by marrying displaced convicts. He was... quite a piece of Victorian work.
Rale 3 years ago (edited)
Also, Lewis Carroll was a stuttering son of a btch and pedo. He was in love with his 9 year old niece Alice. So it gave him an inspiration for the book.
SCP-3998 3 years ago
Sadly, this was commonplace for most of society at the time. If you want to lose all faith in humanity, look at the history of psychology and asylums. Spoiler; mostly women, those with down syndrome or other visible "impairments" were thrown in there. They were the Guinea pigs for lobotomies and plenty of other torture the physicians at the time labelled "treatment". Endometriosis? How about a lifelong stay in an asylum, no pain killer...no, but hows an ice pick to your brain instead?
Display Name 3 years ago
Charles Dickens on Indians - "I wish I were Commander in Chief over there [ India ]. have the honor to inform you Hindoo gentry that it is my intention, with all possible avoidance of unnecessary cruelty and with all merciful swiftness of execution, to exterminate the Race from the face of the earth, which disfigured the earth" I can't believe as an Indian, his books were part of our syllabus!!
Kantami Blossom 3 years ago
I'm surprised he failed, in those days the list of things that made women eligible for commitment to an asylum is unbelievable(it includes things like reading or suffering grief when someone dies).
#21
Joseph Smith-
I grew up LDS and left with my family when I was in junior high. After some reading and learning from historical documents without church bias, I realized how drastically different he was when he wasn’t viewed in the eyes of the church.
Tonya Wallace 3 years ago
Joseph Smith...Big pimpin' (I saw that on a t-shirt that I regret not buying. 😭)
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago (edited)
From generations of experience, the Mormon church, Mormonism, all of it is a disgusting lie, and most of it all is just to cover up mediocre white men's desires to f*ck virgins, spread their seed, keep out others, and then be worshipped as gods themselves. It's the most sad, pathetic inept male fantasy that hundreds of stupid people back in the day, including my ancestors, fell for. There is nothing redeeming about Mormons/LDS.
marianne eliza 3 years ago
Any "religion" or cult that takes many women and young girls as sex partners or "wives" is just a child and women abuse system. No exceptions. None.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
This. When you take it without the LDS lens, you realize that LDS members are taught to view him with unquestioning adoration. Eventually Smith's politics became "attack anyone outside our church before they attack us". For those wondering if they've encountered a Mormon? If you read Twilight? Its author is Mormon, and IIRC, practicing. Yep, sparkly vampires...
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
Twilight is called "Mormon Abstinence Pr0n" for a reason, after all. Prized virginity? No sex until marriage, but marry at 18 instead of college/job/life and it's all twinkly-perfect? Have a baby that's already found a husband before it says its first word? "Imprinting"? Yeah, that's straight out of the Temple mentality.
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Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
Oh, that is 100% what he and Brigham and the other POS did.
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K Wit 3 years ago
Most religions have been founded by a pedophile some were convicted pedophiles. I really can't think of any religion that wasn't founded by a man that wanted an excuse to have sex w children and physically abuse the women that carry their next conquest.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
Extra bonus if they can throw in some colonization, too. Religion sucks.
Load More Replies... Thomson StClair 3 years ago
"Hey guys, I started a new religion where God says I get to straight up f**k your wives and daughters. Who's on board with me?"
A Lonely Red Panda 3 years ago
So I have a mutual friend named Joseph Smith, and when I saw this post, I thought, like, a time traveler who knew him and wrote this and also thought LDS was LSD. I'm stupid lol.
Lily Flint (Student) 3 years ago
Hi, I'm Mormon and I agree that Joseph Smith was not the best guy. He practiced polygamy and probably did other stuff too. But I want to say that our religion isn't all bad. There is definitely some stuff I don't agree and there are a LOT of old white men running it and i'm even considering switching religions but there is also a lot of good stuff too. We donate a bunch of stuff to charity, a big part of our religion is helping people, and we are just trying to be our best selves. So it is ok if you guys don't agree with our religion but if you could please not say mean stuff like that it would be great because some of that stuff if really mean and you don't really know about our religion so don't assume you know everything about it. Thank you.
Jenny Fullerton 3 years ago
I’m a atheist and I donate a “ bunch of stuff” to charity and I give my time to helping people and I give money to causes that are not popular with mainstream society. I , an Atheist , do these things because it’s the right thing to do and Not because some fairy story person who lives in the clouds told me to. I know a lot of religious people cannot fathom the thought of not having “god” looking over their shoulder and guilting then into behaving like a good person should, but I know I don’t need any relationship with a mythological creature. I do “ good” because it’s the right thing to do and not because a bunch of old white men told me to.
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TheLadyMagic 3 years ago
Mormonism wasn't even his first attempt at a religion. He had been run out of several towns for heresy. But something about them go then tablets in that green Angel made this one a go.
#22
Churchill. He started the Bengal Famine which killed 3 million people. He also was incredibly racist and liked killing through gas.
Lucifer 3 years ago
Winston Churchill, a hero according to the UK & US. Churchill carried out a genocide in India (4+ million killed through deliberate famine). And Churchill believed that eugenics could solve race deterioration and reduce crime and poverty. US & UK were very much on the side of Hitler, until they realized that he posed a threat to their power on the global stage. That seems to be missing in the narrative of why WW2 started.
Cobalt.spike 3 years ago
Not remotely true (historian here), but when one of the other names for your username is "father of lies" what you gonna do? Churchill was a bastard though - maybe the bastard the country needed at the time, but a bastard nonetheless.
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Fenchurch 3 years ago
My Nan who brought up her children in London in the blitz, always said he was a nasty little war monger and should have been smacked more as a child. My Nan was formidable, I reckon it was lucky she never met him.
Auntriarch 3 years ago
My grandad would have agreed wholeheartedly with your nan
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Jon S. 3 years ago (edited)
He didn't so much start the famine (which was started by the Japanese attacking Bengal) as fail to find a solution to it. Some 25 million people starved to death during the war, and there weren't enough ships to redistribute all the world's grain. His attempts to obtain relief for India are on record and include requesting ships from domestic sources and international allies to move grain, all of which were denied.
Adam Jeff 3 years ago
I'm sorry but that's completely false - various people including the British governor of Bengal requested the ships, and Churchill blocked them. If he had wanted the ships who exactly could have denied him?
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Luke Schroeder 3 years ago
Accusing one person of starting an entire famine is absurd. He also helped win us world war 2.
Display Name 3 years ago
He taxed the grains away. Indians starved. He wanted to be well stocked.
Load More Replies... Wilf 3 years ago
Sadly, it's become almost a crime to criticise Churchill in the UK nowadays. The petty Little Englanders venerate him as a saint, despite his career being littered with disasters (many , like Gallipoli, costing hundreds of thousands of lives), callous racism (even when judged by the standards of the time) and bitter political opposition to things we now take for granted such as a national health service or workers rights. It is now almost universally forgotten that only weeks after the end of WWII the British public took the first opportunity they could to remove him from office. Not to mention he was a rotten drunk who could just as easily have led Britain to total defeat in WWII, as much as he supposedly helped us 'win' it.
Becky Moore 3 years ago
A crime to criticise him? 'Petty little Englanders'? How about not making general sweeping statements about a whole bloody country!
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Patricia Valaka 3 years ago
Miners strike in the early 1900's against their poverty stricken lives, Let the miners starve he said then sent in the troops to dig for coal, my mother hated him
Susan Atkinson 3 years ago
I'm a Baby Boomer living in the US. We're only taught about Churchill during WWII and his meetings with Allied leaders.
bernie bulk 3 years ago
and sent aussie and kiwi soldiers to certain death at gallipolli, as they were expendable colonials, f**k churchill
#23
Andrew Jackson.
He’s always presented as the “common man’s president” but he treated the Native American’s terribly . He also had a huge rowdy party and trashed the White House
Jerry The Joker 3 years ago
Lots of Native Americans still refuse to carry a $20 bill. Seriously.
Elladine DesIsles 3 years ago
Don't forget about the people he enslaved. Jackson was my first cousin, eight times removed... though I am proud to say that my branch of the family became abolitionists. As one of his closest living relatives (he had no direct descendants), I emphatically support taking his statues and monuments down.
Brom Johnson 3 years ago
American here. I've never heard anyone say nice things about him. He's not "beloved".
the aftermath is secondary™ 3 years ago
no but fr because Hitler actually took that as inspiration
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Travis Scott, still ain’t over what insane s**t he did
Houseof No 3 years ago
If it helps, he is now remembered more for twenty people getting killed at this concert than for his stupid, half-a$$ed Mcdonalds happy meal.
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Memere 3 years ago
So, the title of this "article" is “What Beloved Person In History Should Be Hated?”. How could anyone in their right mind consider him to be "beloved" or even a historical figure? Seriously, he should be in prison for the deaths he caused.
David Brown 3 years ago
I'll never understand how people can produce and perform horrible fckn music and still end up being rich. Don't even get me started on those douchebag Kardashian's
Ed Brandon 3 years ago
Have no idea who he is, certainly doesn't belong amidst the legendary monsters featured elsewhere.
EEF🤓 3 years ago
Musician who encourages fans to riot and cause mayhem at his concerts. One last year, quite a lot of people died. Surprised you didn't hear about it. It was global news.
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Alphabet Soupy 3 years ago
And he’s making his comeback already, has a bunch of concerts scheduled again.
Dutchman Callypso 3 years ago
Celebs nowadays are getting cancelled for petty sh1t, yet this fcker and Amber Heard still have careers... something's wrong.
#25
Oliver Cromwell
Tried to make England a republic, ended up being a king in all but name. Butchered the Irish, banned Christmas and is partially responsible for the puritans (who fled to America after the monarchy was restarted)
Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill! 3 years ago
Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is happy.
Lynsey Mooney 3 years ago
I can, as an Irish woman say the Irish categorically do not believe he's beloved! That's a very strange post no one ever in the history of ever said Cromwell was beloved!
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Beeps 3 years ago
Did you know that we’re really lucky that Ely cathedral still exists? Cromwell wanted to have it torn down, but only stopped because it would have been too expensive to do so.
Claire Genie 3 years ago
As a person from ely I completely agree yet he's still seen as a savior here
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another one 3 years ago
"A curse upon you Oliver Cromwell who raped our mother land. I hope you're rotting down in hell for the horrors that you sent to our misfortunate forefathers..." (the Pogues)... hardly "beloved"!?!?!
#26
Charlie Chaplin definitely. Dude groped/assaulted girls and married a woman 40 years younger than him
Nicole Weymann 3 years ago
First wife had (falsely) announced a pregnancy at 16, then they married, later divorced. Second wife announced pregnancy at 15, he married her, otherwise might have been prosecuted because she was a minor when she got pregnant. Also divorced. Marriage no. 3 was relatively unspectacular age wise (she was 21). Within and in between marriages multiple affairs. His last wife, Oona, was 18 when they married (he was 54). They stayed together until his death, had eight children. (All according to Wikipedia - not good, but I found no 40 year age gap).
Sarah Dixon 3 years ago
I mean if he was 54 and she was 18 that's a 36 year difference so practically 40 years
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Robert Peters-Gehrke 3 years ago
Since he did not force Oona to marry him I don't see his marriage as problematic.
Joonscrab 3 years ago
No sane teen will marry a man older than her dad without having some form of grooming in the mix. It might seem okay at first glance, but you need to dig deeper for these kind of things.
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
She was 36 years younger, to be precise. FWIW, Chaplin earned lots of hatred in his day.
Desarae Stillman 3 years ago
I just want to be point out it is not a crime to marry someone 40 years younger, as long as everyone is an adult. My father married a much younger woman ( his fourth wife) when she was in her late 20’s as he in his 60’s. They are still married 13 years later. And yes she’s younger than me. It’s weird for me, but not creepy. He adopted her children as well.
#27
Benito Juárez
He was the type of president who kills his opposition instead of negotiating. He did a lot of illegal executions.
He was going to be executed in Guadalajara, however one of his ministers convinced the soldiers not to kill him with a famous phrase "alto, los valientes no asesinan", the soldiers forgave his life and risked theirs as the disobey an order. Well, as soon as Juarez returned to Mexico city, he immediately ordered to kill all of those soldiers with no mercy (source: my sister worked with the Sargent's descendant)
After Juárez's government, there's a period Known as the porfiriato, where Porfirio Díaz was Mexico's president for 30 years. It was possible just because there was no opposition alive
Juarez suddenly died in 1872 from a heart attack. It's believed that a woman, to avenge his husband, worked on his home as a maid, and when she had the opportunity, she put an infusion of "veintiunilla'" a herb known by the natives for being poisonous and cause a heart attack 21 days (veintiún dias) after it was drank
Lorraine 3 years ago
This. Not to mention he reformed the Mexican state by removing the church influence (which was not wrong) only to enrich himself and his family with all the resources confiscated. Also, he was indigenous but ashamed of it so he was extremely racist. If he hadn't died, he was ready to change the law to stay in power indefinitely.
Susanne B 3 years ago
Like Putin (and Trump had be been able to get away with it) Dictator types do, becaus they know, how people will treat them after the are out of power
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Bill Wyrebek 3 years ago
I dated a girl whose stepbrother told her that his great aunt slept with a third cousin, whose grandfather played the lute and was taught by a Roman Centurion that knew the half brother to Judas, and he said Jesus really liked Mary Magdellan and had a foot fetish. Just saying for a friend.
Luis Hernandez Dauajare 3 years ago
He also signed the McClane-Ocampo Treaty where he basically sold the half of Mexico to the United States in exchange for cash in order to keep financing a civil war. Congress would not ratify it, thanksfully.
msanchezym 3 years ago
And he stole like hell, between Margarita Maza and him, he had about 6 million pesos when they died, which adjusted for inflation, would be about 50 million dollars in 2022, not bad for the guy who went from sheperd to president, as the legend goes...
Lorraine 3 years ago
Juárez has been romanticized for decades, so a lot of presidents have admired him, but I have to say López is by far the worst.
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#28
Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser.
The book Edie is a great read, but sad.
Luther von Wolfen 3 years ago
Warhol wasn't great as a person, but I've done a little research into him. He was a complex person who suffered in some ways. He did horrible things, but he also served at his church's homeless shelter well into his later years. Derinitely suffered from trauma and possibly depression.
Megan Winemiller 3 years ago
just because someone goes to church does excuse their prior behaviour or is a good person.
Load More Replies... Paul Davis 3 years ago
I couldn't stand anything Andy Warhol did. I understand it seems artsy to say "everything is art" but guess what ... when "everything" is art, then "nothing" is art.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
You do know that was literally his point, right?
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Mark MacNamara 3 years ago
I have never, ever gotten the fascination with Andy Warhol. Celebrity hysteria.
Richard A Petro 3 years ago
I believe it was Mr. Warhol who said, "Art is what you can get away with." He may have been a fraud and an abuser but he CERTAINLY recognized that "making a buck" and "art" go hand in hand especially when one grabs the media's attention and the patronage of art "connoisseurs"... emphasis on the "conn" part of this arrangement.
TheEndIsNigh 3 years ago
I like the simplicity in some of his artwork, but otherwise, Andy Warhol was a rather boring human being. I tried to watch a Netflix documentary about his life, and lost interest about 30 minutes in. Although events surrounding his life seem fascinating, the man himself was sniveling and droll.
Kerry Ericksson 3 years ago
He was all that personable and had a weird attraction to the bizarre
#29
Dr Suess cheated on his partially disabled wife and she eventually committed suicide because of how distraught she was.
“I am too old and enmeshed in everything you do and are, that I cannot conceive of life without you,”
George Gameston 3 years ago
OmG! Dr Suess was a human? And i thought that all well known authors were supposed to be devoid of feelings and infallible... And no, he wasn't a rascist either, just a man (not a god) of his time...
All's Gravy 3 years ago
He's not responsible for someone else's mental state. And an extra-marital affair, even back then when divorce was frowned upon, was not a crime or rare. More concerning are perpetuation of racial stereotypes.
Mosheh Wolf 3 years ago
Ahhh, the wonders of the outrage of a person who Read Something On The Internet. There seem to be a whole bunch of those on this page...
Al Padilla 3 years ago
I beg to differ on the racism allegation. He wrote one of the best anti-racist, anti-elitist kids' book, decades before its time. I would strongly recommend you read "Sneetches."
#30
Kinda coming much more into light now but The Founding Fathers, all of them owned slaves and by modern day standards they would be horrible people. But something I think lots of people don’t remember is even if these things are utterly reprehensible, everyone was doing it and they were all children of their time.
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
What history books didn't mention that fact? I learned that in the 1970s! And we had debates in Ethics class about this stuff....
ShadowMorph 3 years ago
and Thomas Jefferson was against slaves but still owned them.
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Robert Peters-Gehrke 3 years ago
No, not "everyone was doing it". Some of the Founding Fathers were strict opponents of slavery, for example John Adams so why does the picture show him?
Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
B/c they don't know their history. And htey used a cheap online image instead of doing some work.
Load More Replies... Aria Whitaker 3 years ago (edited)
"Children of their time". What a crock excuse. You know who else were in their "time"? Abolitionists. An entire movement that disagreed with the institution of slavery, participated in the underground railroad to help free them, and politically supported those who wanted to do away with it. If they, who were born and raised in the SAME time period as the slave drivers, can see and understand the evil nature of owning humans, those slave owners could have as well. ALL could have joined that movement at any time. They chose not to. They liked having slaves and being a master. Stop with that tired excuse.
Bill Allen 3 years ago
All of them owned slaves? I don’t think John Adam’s owned slaves. There were probably others as well. What the founding fathers were was the top 1% of earners of their time who started a war so they wouldn’t have to pay taxes. Then felt that only rich land owners should have the right to vote.
Hobby Hopper 3 years ago
@Sarah Rose, by your logic current day lawmakers are horrible people too, because horrible legislation has been passed under their watch (even if they fought said legislation). Should they not even come to the table? What does that accomplish? We all do the best we can within the systems we're born with, while also trying to change those systems. Or, are you advocating violence every time you feel righteous anger? Terrible people feel righteous anger (from their perspective) every bit as strongly as you do. Who gets to decide when the violence is justified?
Load More Replies... Tonya Wallace 3 years ago
I can't believe you said "everyone was doing it" as a justification or exemption.
Sarah Rose 3 years ago
Continues to stare in native, yea we have evidence that not everyone was doing it
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Dennis Kender 3 years ago
Historical figures are to be judge by the times in which THEY lived, not by the current times in which WE live.
nooneimportant 3 years ago
Of the 1st 5 presidents John Adams was the only one with one term, the only not from Virginia, and the only one without slaves (his farm was ran by mostly Abigail and also himself when not in Philadelphia or Boston)
Tameka Womack-Jean 3 years ago
What a crock. You know who else were children of their time who weren't doing it"? Abolishionists! Even by the pasts standards slavery was utterly reprehensible. Try again!
Curry on... 3 years ago
"Everyone was doing it," isn't that what teenagers whose frontal cortex isn't fully developed, say? The wrongs and evils that have been committed because everyone was doing it are too many to count.
#31
William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently.
Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her.
If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.
dream of delusion 3 years ago
why are there people who are low-key defending an abuser and r@pist…
#32
John Lennon. I'll have to find some links to stuff but what I heard was he screamed his son's eardrums out and was generally apathetic about his familial duties and flew off the handle in violent fits often. BRB gotta Google.
Felipe Pereira de Sousa 3 years ago
Yeah. Paul wrote Hey Jude about Lennon's son, Julian, because his father was a d**k to him. But, hey! All you need is love.
the walrus 3 years ago
Paul was so sweet to Cynthia and Julian even after John left. Of course, Paul has messed up a few times himself, but overall he has done many good things.
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#33
Gandhi , dude was a pervert. Mostly to kids
Concept-Peter Roosdorp 3 years ago
Of all the actual bad things he has done, never heard this before.
PandaRave 3 years ago
Why does everyone always talk about this kid thing? The real problem was that he believed the Jews should’ve let themselves be killed faster and the Allies should’ve let the Axis powers win
Cold Contagious 3 years ago
Any issues involving preying on a child is most definitely a 'real' problem. I'm sure he had many issues but abuse of a child is a urgent concern.
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#34
Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist.
In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”
She is seen as a saint to many.
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
This is one of the biggest "it's complicated" issues to examine in terms of structural oppression. We can't separate what the Nazis did with eugenics. Two generations earlier, however, having a severely disabled child or children was rarely viable, especially for poor families. There were no resources, no funds, and very little education. There were no Special Olympics, no "mainstreaming," nothing. If you are a poor immigrant mother with four children already, living in a tenement in NYC during an economic panic, and you have a child with severe disabilities, what other options were there? Put them in expensive institutions rampant with sexual and physical abuse? Sell the kid to PT Barnum? Abandon it? The science at the time was all they had. This is ultimately about women having little power and few options, not a hatred of disabled people/minorities. Now that we know better, we do better.
Beth Bartel 3 years ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population
#35
PT Barnum. I mean, the movie was entertaining and great to watch, but it was definitely the life of PT Barnum the way he might have told the story. The man had a slave woman as part of his freak show. He scammed people and was just generally a nasty human being.
#36
Helen Keller did some fantastic things in her personal life and for society, so that's great. She was also a staunch supporter of eugenics, which is uterly horrible. And while on the topic, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telophone and fought for the inclusion of deaf people... by trying to outlaw sign language and forbidding deaf people from marrying to prevent the birth of more deaf people, whom he saw as "the defective race"
Mrs. Jan Glass 3 years ago
As a woman who grew up severely disabled, and only had the opportunities she did because her parents were wealthy, Keller used her platform for her entire, hardworking life to spread awareness. She spoke about birth control for prostitutes, since babies born of syphilitic mothers was one of the leading causes of blindness, in a time when an angelic disabled lady wasn't supposed to know about prostitutes and sex, much less talk about them in Boston parlors. She performed on vaudeville stages to earn money to pay for other deafblind children's educations. "Tireless" doesn't even begin to describe her work. We have GOT to stop using "they supported eugenics" as an easy way to cancel out everything else, because that was the scientific understanding at the time, and it was related to economic and social accessibility. It's not all Nazis then. It is expensive to be disabled. If you were a "fallen woman" in the early 1900s with a blind baby, you didn't have many options or support.
Jackie Johnson 1 year ago
Alexander Graham Bell was MARRIED to a deaf person, his MOTHER was deaf, his father taught speaking to deaf people, and HE HIMSELF was a teacher for the deaf. His inventions were a side thing and the money he got from them funded his organization for research for the deaf. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexander-Graham-Bell#ref19883
#37
if Penn and Teller ever taught me anything it’s the answer to this question, and that answer is Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and The Dalai Lama
What do you think ?
Dr. Carlos Dangercat 3 years ago
I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.
John Crandall 3 years ago
Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.
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NAVYA PRASAD 3 years ago
Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)
Kristin Ingersoll 3 years ago
But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.
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Brobro McDuderson 3 years ago
The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.
Zero 3 years ago
It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.
Daria Z 3 years ago
There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?
Voodoops_13 3 years ago
Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.
Sandra Charlot 3 years ago
Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.
Firefly 3 years ago
Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/
Load More Replies... Dr. Carlos Dangercat 3 years ago
I really dislike the impulse to classify people as 100% good or 100% bad. Humans are flawed. Just because some of their actions were contemptible (by todays standards) doesn't mean their accomplishments should be erased from history. Just because they accomplished great things doesn't mean that their misdeeds should be brushed under the carpet.
John Crandall 3 years ago
Watch it. U gonna get cancelled, buddy. How dare u look at both sides of something. U are so 20th Century.
Load More Replies... NAVYA PRASAD 3 years ago
Trump is not universally beloved he is an effing joke
Load More Replies... Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Elon Musk should be top of this list. Donald Trump, too. And for all that "Foundation" stuff, I've heard Bill Gates is a real..... But they're all idolized by many. To the devotees of Elon, please bear in mind we're not all Elonites, and can state our opinions without it rending the fabric of time-space to shreds :-)
Kristin Ingersoll 3 years ago
But the point was to shed light on horrible people who the public seem to love. Most normal, intelligent human beings despise both of those "people" already.
Load More Replies... Brobro McDuderson 3 years ago
The problem with some of these is that people often do both good and bad things with their lives. Same with each of us, many of us have done bad things. Different shades of grey. Without a doubt, most of the peeps in this list are darker shades of grey, don’t get me wrong! But if we discredit anything someone does because of something bad they’ve done, well, there’d be no good person list. Lennon for example…surely a d*^k, but we also can’t discredit the impact he’s had on music. I feel it’s ok to recognize both the good and bad a person’s done, and to not ignore either.
Zero 3 years ago
It's gone now, but that John Wayne one was a crazy night. It was the Oscars and Marlon Brando was awarded something. But he sent Sacheen Littlefeather in his stead to decline and instead read a speech about the desecration and ethnocide of Native American culture and history. Wayne was certainly a piece of work in is own right, and went to pull her off stage but was restrained by a bunch of people so never actually laid a hand on her. It was quite the scandal and nothing since has really compared to the impact of that night.
Daria Z 3 years ago
There is already too much hate in the world today. Do we really need any more?
Voodoops_13 3 years ago
Interesting to read the list. So much of it is from toxic masculinity, misogyny, racism, religious based BS and classism.
Sandra Charlot 3 years ago
Ok so Nelson Mandela beating his wife ( and talking about it openly in his biography) is not a big deal I guess.
Firefly 3 years ago
Not to mention his friendships with some horrible people.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/12/10/the-last-great-liberator-why-mandela-made-and-stayed-friends-with-dictators/
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