“Gonna Use This For My Younger Clients As A Lesson”: People Give Tattooed Woman A Reality Check
A woman’s rant about her job application being declined has sparked a debate about the correlation between tattoos and employment opportunities.
Filming herself inside her car, Ash O’Brien explained how she was rejected via an “automated email” after applying for a job at T.J. Maxx.
Seeking clarity about the her rejection, Ash returned to the department store location in search of answers.
“So, I went in today, and I was like, ‘What was the reason I didn’t get hired?’ And she was like, ‘Oh, you just don’t have enough experience. There [were] candidates with more experience than you,'” the woman described.
Ash O’Brien went on a rant about the lack of employment opportunities after having her job application rejected by T.J. Maxx
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“I asked her if it was because of my tattoos. Obviously, a lot of places don’t like tattoos,” Ash, whose face and neck are visibly tattooed, continued. “She said that [it] wasn’t the reason. I don’t feel like that’s true, but whatever. I’ll leave it at that.”
She then went on a rant about the alleged cause of her job application being turned down.
“I’m just wondering how teenagers and young adults who haven’t had a job before are supposed to get employed,” the TikToker said. “How are they supposed to get a job if these places are only hiring people based on experience? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.”
“Obviously, a lot of places don’t like tattoos,” Ash, whose face and neck are visibly inked, said
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Later on, Ash asked her viewers to share their experiences on the job market as well as any obstacles they may have encountered during the hiring process.
“I want to see if I’m the only person experiencing this right now.”
“I hate that my tattoos have been such a defining factor for me getting a job or not,” Ash added. “Just because I have tattoos doesn’t mean that I’m not going to be a good worker.”
The job seeker justified her point, explaining that some of the most intelligent people she has ever met are covered in tattoos and piercings.
The department store employer informed her that she didn’t get the job because there were other candidates with more experience
Image credits: TJ Maxx
At the end of the video, Ash addressed an additional factor that had caught her attention in recent weeks.
“All these places say that they’re hiring, but I feel like they’re not. Because I shop at all of these stores and see ‘Hiring now’ signs, but those have been up for months.”
“For anyone looking for a job right now who is younger and doesn’t have experience, I truly wish you the best of luck because it’s very hard out here,” she concluded.
In the comments of the video, people shared their opinions as to why they believed Ash was unable to go through with the hiring process. The general consensus seemed to be that her age or lack of experience played no part in her being rejected.
“Maybe it was the demonic spider or the goat with the pentagram,” a TikTok user commented, referring to Ash’s ink.
“H.R. supervisor here. There is no way any company would put you in front of customers like T.J. Maxx,” another person chimed in.
A third social media user added, “I worked at T.J. Maxx, and they will hire just about anyone that comes off the street–It’s definitely the tattoos and piercings.”
“There’s a reason that tattoo artists refer to face tattoos as career enders,” a separate person wrote, while another said, “Tattooer here. It’s probably the tattoos.”
“I want to see if I’m the only person experiencing this right now,” Ash said
@ashxobrien I want to know who is also having a hard time finding a job right now! #jobs #jobmarket ♬ original sound – Ash🖤
Whether tattoos are okay in a workplace will depend on that employer’s industry, company culture, and particular preferences, Indeed’s website reads.
For positions where workers are frequently interacting with customers, it’s often the case that employers think twice before hiring someone with tattoos, if they even consider their applications.
In contrast, jobs with little or no face-to-face contact with the public are more flexible regarding body art.
However, people should also consider employers’ subjectivities. Some managers or owners may have more conservative preferences and will not allow their workers to express themselves in this manner.
Meanwhile, in more relaxed company atmospheres, managers may accept tattoos at the workplace, perceiving them as a sign of individuality and creativity.
“If you have tattoos and are looking for a job, you’ll want to consider in advance the culture of the companies you’re applying to. Being strategic about where you apply can minimize the possibility that your body art will conflict with the organization’s policies,” the job site recommends.
Bored Panda has contacted T.J. Maxx for comment.
“It’s probably the demonic tattoos,” a social media user suggested
Retail companies look for people who can represent the company in a friendly, welcoming, and helpful way. The subject matter of her tattoos present a "Back off and get away from me" message. It's not surprising that she's not getting hired. She should look for a position where she doesn't have to deal with the general public face-to-face.
And why retail? She could probably get some really good paying gigs with benefits in a factory. I was a printer and the plant I worked in didn't care about tats and pins. They paid very well and had awesome benefits and four 10 hour days per week so every weekend was a 3 day weekend.
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Yet another person whining because they can't get a job due to the tattoos on their face. Don't get me wrong, it's your body, you do what you want.... but don't whine when prospective employers reject you. You won't get a customer-facing job. Unless you're applying at a tattoo parlor, a mechanic garage (and even then not all of them), or some other place where you aren't dealing with customers directly, DO NOT GET TATTOOS AND PIERCINGS ON YOUR FACE.
It's not the amount of tattoos for me. The quality of them is good. It's the subject matter. Also, the piercings are a turn-off for me. I don't like to talk to someone, and listen to them clicking back at me. I can't imagine how much food gets stuck in the piercings in her mouth, the smell, just gross.
Piercings are removable so they and the place that's pierced can be cleaned, so if you know someone with lip piercings with bad breath, it's not just because they have piercings. It's because they individually have bad hygiene (or maybe halitosis).
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I work in the electronics manufacturing industry, and she'd be welcome here. She has easy attachment for a grounding strap too.
Forget the tattoos, the amount of times she says ‘like’ in a sentence would be a total turn off for me,
She presents poorly and frankly any company would be hesitant to hire her. She is young and the tattoos show poor forethought about her appearance. You can't put a devil on your neck and then act like the girl next door. FAFO Life has consequences.
I am in college studying journalism, with a goal of being a anchor on live TV. I love tats, and currently have two. I always try and get them in places that I can easily cover up with clothes, socks, make up, band-aids, whatever. I appreciate people who have a lot of tattoos in visible places, but I always think about my future career and job before getting one.
This. I currently have 7 tattoos, 2 of which are on the back of my forearms. If we were to face each other, you couldn't tell I have tattoos lol. Part of my job is interaction with customers so It's important for me to choose wisely on my tattoo locations.
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Good God I feel sorry for her. Most people have no problems with tattoos these days. But hers look like she is an unstable person. She might be ok at a tattoo parlour. Maybe she should try for a job there.
HR person here: its not the tattoos per say, its the actual demonic looking things, which most people would consider "offensive" in a US Judo Christian society. With that said, I really REALLY wish we adopted UK laws so that people with tattoos could not be kicked out because of the ink. To OPs point some of the smartest people I know are covered in ink. Depending on the roles she is applying for, esp. anything coming near food, the piercings are legit a safety hazard and a violation on food safety to have. (and depending on the retail job, could also be a safety hazard)
'Per se', not 'say', and what crazy martial art is 'Judo' Christianity?
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Maybe it's her attitude? She got rejected and first thing she did is go crying about it on social media. That is a high risk person to employ; there is every possibility they would do this every time they have a bad day at work. Not on a be looking good for ANY job in the future now! But it's easy to live with "it's the tattoos" than "It's my entitled personality".
“Dress for the job you WANT.” What does she really want? Appearance is of paramount importance for any customer-facing position.
What she wants is to be lauded and rewarded for flouting social convention in a context of pure vanity.
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As a contractor, I wont hire anyone with visible tattoos like that. I personally don't have an issue with them, but I have to think of the clients whose homes we we'll be working in.
Hope this is a throwaway because in many places that's illegal.
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Of course it's the tattoos, especially the demonic ones. Add the piercings and she's sol. Mainstream companies are gonna have a hard time employing her. A tattoo shop, construction, factory, learn to be an electrician, there are jobs out there. Just not retail.
Go away with those tiktok videos. People making them make money from them. Creators will post anything as long as it gets lots of views. I wonder if BP gets some sort of money for writing articles featuring tiktok.
I'm pretty sure this girl does OF and video is just her attempt to get more customers.
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it's funny.. I'm almost 50, and have a lot of tattoos, and when i was growing up we were taught no one owes you a job, companies can hire and fire who they want, when they want, so if you want to work you have to look a certain way. Only tattoo certain areas, cover up with clothing, remove facial jewelry for the work day.. the younger generations are being told "you can do what you want, and look however you want,and people HAVE to accept you no matter what", and unfortunately when it comes to the job market that's just not the case.
Well spoken and well said!! That's the problem with these younger generations receiving they're participation trophys....
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Everyone chooses what is most important to them. But choices have consequences, good or bad. Choose wisely.
you pick tattoos that represent you/your personality. She picked alot of demonic/satanic tattoos. I would not want to hire someone who looks to Lucifer for a moral compass. Just saying
Satanism is a term that Christians have used for many centuries as an accusation against ideological opponents. Actually self-identified Satanism is recent, and is thought to have begun with the founding of the Church of Satan by Anton LaVey in the United States in 1966 – that "church" being an atheistic group that does not believe in a literal Satan. BTW, Lucifer appeared in the King James Version of the Bible in Isaiah and before that in the Vulgate (the late-4th-century Latin translation of the Bible), not as the name of a devil but as the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized), meaning "the morning star", "the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing". It is a translation of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל, hêlēl, meaning "Shining One".
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For me it depends on the persons vibe, if they're friendly, the tattoos are well done and not something Nazi related ect I don't care
OP has every right to make herself look like a freak show. And the rest of us have every right to treat her like a freak show. You makes your choices and you dances to your tune.
Historically, freak shows mostly featured people with disabilities and unusual physical deformities or even severe scarring from injuries. Are you saying that society should be free to treat those folks as inferior because they don't meet with the standard of "normal"? I hope you're saying that deliberately choosing an unusual appearance will have social consequences. But maybe find a better way to say it? Freak shows were instruments of horrendous abuse and exploitation. They taught people that those who had the misfortune of being born different or badly injured were subhuman and worthwhile only as entertainment. AHS presented it brilliantly: freak shows brought out the monsters in so-called "normal" human beings. Your metaphor seriously missed the mark.
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I work retail right now they're hiring anything that breaths but they absolutely would not hire her . those tattoos are a hot no As a customer if I saw her and the work she has I would leave that store demonic tattoos pentagrams are for me a hot no
Often heavily tattooed people look scary to other non-tattooed people. True - your body blah blah blah, but I don't want to be around you. Nothing personal, to me ink looks dirty like you need a bath and I see a person who spent their money on frivolity. I'd rather give a job to someone who NEEDS the money.
You KNOW tattoos are controversial (that's part of the attraction of getting one for some, isn't it?), so if you get a tattoo, especially on your face, you have to be realistic and know that this is going to affect you negatively in some ways. Regardless of whether it is fair or not it is the reality and is something you chose to do. You can't have it both ways. Also, I would place bets on the fact that her victim attitude comes across during those interviews and that that may be a big part of why she's not getting hired when the managers may otherwise be open-minded in regards to tattoos. A business that has every right to hire people who are already experienced and will cost less to train up - and while that may make it harder for inexperienced people in some ways, if you have a great personality and attitude you can often outshine people with experience who don't.
This girl is a moron. She's upset no one will hire her when she looks like trash? My eyes are upset by her ridiculous appearance. Seriously, too stupid to live.
Hey while I somewhat agree with you, I think its WAY out of line on your last sentence.
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I don't think it's the tattoos, but the bias. I mean if she had the BVM on her, I don't think she's going to be hirable. And I don't know where she is, but girl, if doing "Seattle circa 1995" is that out there in the flyover state you live in, time to relocate (which I know is hard) I think I'd rather have her than some pious, judgmental, evangelical gossipy hypocrite as a coworker.
"...some of the most intelligent people she has ever met are covered in tattoos and piercings." Let's read that again: "...the most intelligent people she has ... met." That's not necessarily saying saying much.
Some really smart people do look different. I know one of the top neuroscientists in the world. He has a very unconventional appearance, ignores dress codes even to meet heads of state, and can be very abrasive because he doesn't like stupid people who think they're smart. But he set his style and let out his abrasive personality AFTER he got a tenured position and proved himself to be the best of the best. Whilst he was still gaining his credibility, he kept a conventional look and did not step on toes, especially when it came to getting funding. Now people donate no matter how he looks and acts, because he is passionately dedicated to his work and they know he's improving the world. The young woman here wants the freedom of being a maverick. But she hasn't done the work to gain a skill so valuable to the world that people will look past what offends them. She cares nothing for the good of humanity, only for her own feelings.
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I was really lucky having a tattoo artist that refused to tattoo anyone on the neck or face. He said that as long as he was tattooing he'd never do a tattoo above the collarbone because he never wanted someone to blame him for not being able to get a normal job. I don't care if you're a MIT graduate, you aren't getting a job with that c**p on your face. Telling that you were too inexperienced was just a nice way to tell you to kick rocks. Face and neck tattoos will keep you broke and on government assistance. Honestly the only job you'll probably ever get will be something in phone customer assistance where no one sees you. Should have used better judgement buttercup.
I don't have tattoos and it's not my thing though I do a little henna from time to time to spice it up. I'm also an atheist and quite honestly I find her demonic tattoos offensive. I also have dreadlocks and even with that I know they need to be toned down. Nothing crazy. Nothing distracting. It is what it is and we make our choices. You made a choice and I guarantee someone along the way said Hey maybe you shouldn't and you said f*** it It's my body. It is So now deal with it.
It may not be the tattoo placement or how many, but I'd bet money it's about the tattoo content.
If we had to like the faces of our coworkers to work with them, my team would certainly have a different composition.
Just get yourself to a city that doesn't care about tattoos etc. Once you're established and have a strong resume, you can live wherever you want to. Lots of online only jobs now, again build the resume. It's only entry level and executive level jobs that care about that sort of thing.
Let's be honest there not even good tattoos... That's a red flag too... "Oh I met him off of Craigslist vibe"
Her choice of tattoos and the placement of tattoos reflects on her judgement. We would consider that when making a hire, and pass.
It's not the tattoos and the piercings, but yeah is the tattoos and the piercings.
It's her belief that people should embrace her tattoos and piercings even though they're deliberately offensive and she's seeking to shove herself into the faces of those who will be offended. She should look for work at a tattoo parlour or a punk clothing store or as a night janitor or in online or phone IT services. At the same time, she should be building her skill set to make herself so valuable to an industry that her appearance won't matter. But she wants the job market to treat her like she's an irreplaceable treasure who contributes something vital before she's contributed anything at all.
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It's the tattoos...I'm scared just looking at demonic goat!! Get some body makeup and cover up
the following represents only my personal opinion. first said, i am heavily tattoed and i have visible tattoos on both my arms. not the small fineline artsy tattoos, big black oldschool tattoos. So here come my 5 Cents on being so heavily tatooed that it might become hard to find a job. The modern western society is not really ready for face tattoos, tattoed necks and hands. we live in a world where 50 years ago it was still common sense that tattooed people were either fresh out of jail or seamen/women(if there are such, i don't know). the whole boomer generation grew up on this biased opinion that these are bad people and so they, if still working in the hiring department or have any say in employing people, they rather will not employ heavily tattooed people. I personally don't like those parts of my body to be tattooed but for aesthetic reasons, i simply think it would not look good. I once heard a rule about face neck and hands go last, they are called jobstoppers for a reason.
I work in healthcare and most hospitals have rules about covering tattoos, so that face would definitely scare many people. My coworker has many tattoos, so he wears long sleeves . I was a patient in a public hospital (I collapsed outside the building and the doctor didn't want to transfer me). One of my female nurses had a partly shaved head, lots of tattoos and had piercings all over her face. Scared the heck out of me when she walked into my room, which was not good because I was there for a cardiac issue.
Exactly, how would it be if your elderly Mom woke up from anesthesia and saw that leaning over her? Who would be liable for her next heart attack? There are good reasons to reject job applications from grossly tattooed people.
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I'm pretty heavily tattooed. 90% of them are flowers, so most people aren't offended. I'm friend's with a lot of artists. We have conversations often about jobs vs. ink. Face and hand tattoos are called "job killers". You know what you're getting into, especially if some might find them offensive. We also have conversations about the (completely unrelated) absolute ridiculous nature of not allowing enthusiastic folk who happen to have no experience in the field to be taught. I'd take a bright and motivated candidate over a jaded experienced one any day. The system is unfair. A complete aside regarding tattoos: If you have any chronic conditions that may require pain medication or anything of the same class, you might want to wait on tattoos, until you have a doctor that knows you well. Myself and multiple friends (none of us into d***s. All very inked.) have been denied essential care treatment because they assumed we would abuse/take advantage/relapse. Again, it's bs, but real. Edit: OP, it's the content. You made points about the experience aspect, but it's obvious why you didn't get the job. You knew what you were doing. Edit 2: A dear friend literally has 666 tattooed on the side of her face. She knew before she got it that she wanted to (and is highly capable of) working in art, activism, and kitchens. Pretty much made it intentionally impossible to get jobs that would be dissatisfying for her goals. She's mighty successful.
I work in a healthcare office, and my male coworker has a lot of tattoos. He wears long-sleeved shirts so they're not noticeable. After checking with our manager, he got a tattoo of a rose on his hand with "Mom" under it. No one has complained, and it's tasteful.
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so, heres the thing...when you choose to get large face piercings and tattoos, it's a lifestyle choice as well as a body modification....you have to accept that people as a whole WILL judge on appearence...it sucks, cause im sure anyone with that amount of coverage is possibly a good person, willing to work hard, etc....but its just human nature....i say that as a person who is a fan of piercings and body modification
Did she try Hot Topic or have they moved on to a new esthetic? I haven't been to a mall in years.
I was wondering the same, she has the looks for Hot Topic. Hope she gets a job.
Load More Replies... When they do those studies to see how long it takes you to click positive vs negative traits for pictures of people with different races, people who take the longest to click positive attributes for people with facial tattoos are also taking the longest to click positive attributes for visibly disabled people, and are generally longer (but not longest) for positive attributes for races/religions other than their own.
Judging by the comment section, you could run a side business weeding out judgemental people for companies looking to hire.
You have to match your look to your target employer. You don't go to interview at a corporate office in jeans and boots. You don't interview for manual labour in a skirt suit and heels. If you're heavily tattooed, try piercing & tattoo parlors, leather/fetish gear shops, or something not customer facing. If you want a job in the mall, try a tattoo concealer. And as far as hiring goes, of course recruiters will take a more experienced applicant over a less experienced one. Employee turnover costs time and money, so an employee who knows what they're in for is a better choice than one who has no customer service experience, and might well decide they don't like like it. Tattooing a demonspider on your neck suggests an aggressive personal style. Non-verbal communication matters and you're saying "I'm aggressive, combative, unwilling to compromise, and I don't adjust my presentation or behaviour to fit in or get along with others."
Her instagram has a tonnnn of nudity. Don't think employers aren't looking at your socials!!
Even though I use the word f*ck on a regular basis, I was really put off by the guy at the Jack in The Box drive through who had a HUGE "F*CK YOU" tattoo on his neck. It's just really not work appropriate. Get a clue.
Why doesn't look up their employees dress code policies? It addresses facial piercings and tattoos. Thus her application only shows that applying she simply failed to prepare: laziness, lack of understanding or professional maturity. She also failed to prepare by not researching the company brand and mission statement, and those major product lines that would be sold by employee in such a position. Whatever, she has lost a grasp of reality, or she has a unjust sense of entitlement, and clearly doesn't understand the concept of company dress code. The HR person was smart, b/c she clearly was looking for cause for a discrimination claim and/or click-bait for social media exposure.
Face ink, whether intended to be or not, is a rejection of mainstream societal norms and automatically 'marks' you as someone with a bit *extra* going on. Right or wrong, you're rejecting the mainstream with that ink.
Tattoos are cool! But she looks f'n ridiculous.... "IDK know why I can't get hired". Maybe because you look like you could work as a stripper or for the cartel. Make stupid choices win stupid prizes..
She doesn't look very friendly or professional. She may be, but she doesn't seem to be. When you're working with people, they want you to LOOK inviting, competent and friendly. At a metal festival no one would question her looks, but in a bank, in a hospital or lawyer's office - the piercings alone would cause doubt, I think.
To be honest, y'all gotta stop whining about tattoos and piercings. They're not a big deal and shouldn't be taken as such. Unfurl your freak flag and let it fly.
You could probably get a job at a place that trends towards younger, more open-minded people. I've seen employees with tats and piercings at Mellow Mushroom, Starbucks, Hot Topic, etc. Just gotta consider the business's atmosphere.
I dunno... She kind of has a point. Employers are constantly whining that "nobody wants to work anymore", but when people who are visibly "different" apply, they get rejected left and right. Forget her tattoos. Ask a disabled peraon Ask someone with a deformity, etc. If you do t fit a certain "look" it's rejection. People want to work. Nobody wants to hire.
She should have no problem getting a job unless she want a job where she meets general public. (with exception of tattoo salons). Her tattoos look good, but they're in very visible areas and demon-themed. it might have a deterrent effect on some people .
I’ve worked in several customer facing jobs, I have plenty of tattoos / piercings, I’m also smart enough to balance my need for tattoos / piercings and being able to cover them up easily, whether it’s right or wrong to judge a tattooed person is pretty much irrelevant, I can argue all day long that we are just humans but if an organisation doesn’t want to justify why they have a tattooed member of staff then that’s that, you don’t get the job, sad but true. Always remember that actions have consequences, if you can’t handle the consequences then stop doing the actions!
So ugly. Why put art on your face that you would think twice about hanging on your wall? She might try becoming a nun in a cloistered convent?
I'd bet even money it's because the tattoos look demonic. Nobody wants their kids to think it's cool and being a face of the company means seeing people including moms and kids. Not to mention your would probably scare small children. Other people said start with the piercing. Not sure if any ever told you but originally that piercing was to control animals like oxen. Do what you want to. Probably would have had a better reaction if they were butterflies.
Yes, it is the tats - because they are not exactly welcoming. Perhaps put more thought into the next one.
"Waaah! Accept my autonomy! Don't judge me for my uniqueness!" To be rebellious in a conservative society/general public has consequences. Yes, people can do as they wish with their body but cannot expect to control other people's opinions and expectations. Discrimination based on appearance is wrong but a business owner knows their customers and are not going to hire someone who is displaying their "rebellious autonomy" and propensity for what is seen as making poor life decisions. If it upsets your parents then it will likely be rejected by future employers who are not inclined celebrate your individuality. (I have tattoos)
It's fine to express yourself in any way you choose, but you have to be aware and ready for the consequences of those choices. I've seen tatooed,pierced and alternatively colored and styled hair in many professional places...and I've known many who haven't been hired because of them.
C'mon, you have to realize that MANY employers wouldn't want you to be the face of their company. You're entitled to do whatever you want with your body (except get an abortion in the US - but I digress), but you look like a freak. Make stupid choices, win stupid prizes.
Retail workers represent the company they work for, and with this kind and amount of face / neck tattoos it's probably a quite limited amount of companies that would hire her for working with customers in person. And "there were other candidates with more experience" is the default phrase for rejection letters nearly everywhere - some times true, some times not but legally safe for the company and everyone who got rejected gets that exact line, too
Retail companies look for people who can represent the company in a friendly, welcoming, and helpful way. The subject matter of her tattoos present a "Back off and get away from me" message. It's not surprising that she's not getting hired. She should look for a position where she doesn't have to deal with the general public face-to-face.
And why retail? She could probably get some really good paying gigs with benefits in a factory. I was a printer and the plant I worked in didn't care about tats and pins. They paid very well and had awesome benefits and four 10 hour days per week so every weekend was a 3 day weekend.
Load More Replies... Yet another person whining because they can't get a job due to the tattoos on their face. Don't get me wrong, it's your body, you do what you want.... but don't whine when prospective employers reject you. You won't get a customer-facing job. Unless you're applying at a tattoo parlor, a mechanic garage (and even then not all of them), or some other place where you aren't dealing with customers directly, DO NOT GET TATTOOS AND PIERCINGS ON YOUR FACE.
It's not the amount of tattoos for me. The quality of them is good. It's the subject matter. Also, the piercings are a turn-off for me. I don't like to talk to someone, and listen to them clicking back at me. I can't imagine how much food gets stuck in the piercings in her mouth, the smell, just gross.
Piercings are removable so they and the place that's pierced can be cleaned, so if you know someone with lip piercings with bad breath, it's not just because they have piercings. It's because they individually have bad hygiene (or maybe halitosis).
Load More Replies... I work in the electronics manufacturing industry, and she'd be welcome here. She has easy attachment for a grounding strap too.
Forget the tattoos, the amount of times she says ‘like’ in a sentence would be a total turn off for me,
She presents poorly and frankly any company would be hesitant to hire her. She is young and the tattoos show poor forethought about her appearance. You can't put a devil on your neck and then act like the girl next door. FAFO Life has consequences.
I am in college studying journalism, with a goal of being a anchor on live TV. I love tats, and currently have two. I always try and get them in places that I can easily cover up with clothes, socks, make up, band-aids, whatever. I appreciate people who have a lot of tattoos in visible places, but I always think about my future career and job before getting one.
This. I currently have 7 tattoos, 2 of which are on the back of my forearms. If we were to face each other, you couldn't tell I have tattoos lol. Part of my job is interaction with customers so It's important for me to choose wisely on my tattoo locations.
Load More Replies... Good God I feel sorry for her. Most people have no problems with tattoos these days. But hers look like she is an unstable person. She might be ok at a tattoo parlour. Maybe she should try for a job there.
HR person here: its not the tattoos per say, its the actual demonic looking things, which most people would consider "offensive" in a US Judo Christian society. With that said, I really REALLY wish we adopted UK laws so that people with tattoos could not be kicked out because of the ink. To OPs point some of the smartest people I know are covered in ink. Depending on the roles she is applying for, esp. anything coming near food, the piercings are legit a safety hazard and a violation on food safety to have. (and depending on the retail job, could also be a safety hazard)
'Per se', not 'say', and what crazy martial art is 'Judo' Christianity?
Load More Replies... Maybe it's her attitude? She got rejected and first thing she did is go crying about it on social media. That is a high risk person to employ; there is every possibility they would do this every time they have a bad day at work. Not on a be looking good for ANY job in the future now! But it's easy to live with "it's the tattoos" than "It's my entitled personality".
“Dress for the job you WANT.” What does she really want? Appearance is of paramount importance for any customer-facing position.
What she wants is to be lauded and rewarded for flouting social convention in a context of pure vanity.
Load More Replies... As a contractor, I wont hire anyone with visible tattoos like that. I personally don't have an issue with them, but I have to think of the clients whose homes we we'll be working in.
Hope this is a throwaway because in many places that's illegal.
Load More Replies... Of course it's the tattoos, especially the demonic ones. Add the piercings and she's sol. Mainstream companies are gonna have a hard time employing her. A tattoo shop, construction, factory, learn to be an electrician, there are jobs out there. Just not retail.
Go away with those tiktok videos. People making them make money from them. Creators will post anything as long as it gets lots of views. I wonder if BP gets some sort of money for writing articles featuring tiktok.
I'm pretty sure this girl does OF and video is just her attempt to get more customers.
Load More Replies... it's funny.. I'm almost 50, and have a lot of tattoos, and when i was growing up we were taught no one owes you a job, companies can hire and fire who they want, when they want, so if you want to work you have to look a certain way. Only tattoo certain areas, cover up with clothing, remove facial jewelry for the work day.. the younger generations are being told "you can do what you want, and look however you want,and people HAVE to accept you no matter what", and unfortunately when it comes to the job market that's just not the case.
Well spoken and well said!! That's the problem with these younger generations receiving they're participation trophys....
Load More Replies... Everyone chooses what is most important to them. But choices have consequences, good or bad. Choose wisely.
you pick tattoos that represent you/your personality. She picked alot of demonic/satanic tattoos. I would not want to hire someone who looks to Lucifer for a moral compass. Just saying
Satanism is a term that Christians have used for many centuries as an accusation against ideological opponents. Actually self-identified Satanism is recent, and is thought to have begun with the founding of the Church of Satan by Anton LaVey in the United States in 1966 – that "church" being an atheistic group that does not believe in a literal Satan. BTW, Lucifer appeared in the King James Version of the Bible in Isaiah and before that in the Vulgate (the late-4th-century Latin translation of the Bible), not as the name of a devil but as the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized), meaning "the morning star", "the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing". It is a translation of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל, hêlēl, meaning "Shining One".
Load More Replies... For me it depends on the persons vibe, if they're friendly, the tattoos are well done and not something Nazi related ect I don't care
OP has every right to make herself look like a freak show. And the rest of us have every right to treat her like a freak show. You makes your choices and you dances to your tune.
Historically, freak shows mostly featured people with disabilities and unusual physical deformities or even severe scarring from injuries. Are you saying that society should be free to treat those folks as inferior because they don't meet with the standard of "normal"? I hope you're saying that deliberately choosing an unusual appearance will have social consequences. But maybe find a better way to say it? Freak shows were instruments of horrendous abuse and exploitation. They taught people that those who had the misfortune of being born different or badly injured were subhuman and worthwhile only as entertainment. AHS presented it brilliantly: freak shows brought out the monsters in so-called "normal" human beings. Your metaphor seriously missed the mark.
Load More Replies... I work retail right now they're hiring anything that breaths but they absolutely would not hire her . those tattoos are a hot no As a customer if I saw her and the work she has I would leave that store demonic tattoos pentagrams are for me a hot no
Often heavily tattooed people look scary to other non-tattooed people. True - your body blah blah blah, but I don't want to be around you. Nothing personal, to me ink looks dirty like you need a bath and I see a person who spent their money on frivolity. I'd rather give a job to someone who NEEDS the money.
You KNOW tattoos are controversial (that's part of the attraction of getting one for some, isn't it?), so if you get a tattoo, especially on your face, you have to be realistic and know that this is going to affect you negatively in some ways. Regardless of whether it is fair or not it is the reality and is something you chose to do. You can't have it both ways. Also, I would place bets on the fact that her victim attitude comes across during those interviews and that that may be a big part of why she's not getting hired when the managers may otherwise be open-minded in regards to tattoos. A business that has every right to hire people who are already experienced and will cost less to train up - and while that may make it harder for inexperienced people in some ways, if you have a great personality and attitude you can often outshine people with experience who don't.
This girl is a moron. She's upset no one will hire her when she looks like trash? My eyes are upset by her ridiculous appearance. Seriously, too stupid to live.
Hey while I somewhat agree with you, I think its WAY out of line on your last sentence.
Load More Replies... I don't think it's the tattoos, but the bias. I mean if she had the BVM on her, I don't think she's going to be hirable. And I don't know where she is, but girl, if doing "Seattle circa 1995" is that out there in the flyover state you live in, time to relocate (which I know is hard) I think I'd rather have her than some pious, judgmental, evangelical gossipy hypocrite as a coworker.
"...some of the most intelligent people she has ever met are covered in tattoos and piercings." Let's read that again: "...the most intelligent people she has ... met." That's not necessarily saying saying much.
Some really smart people do look different. I know one of the top neuroscientists in the world. He has a very unconventional appearance, ignores dress codes even to meet heads of state, and can be very abrasive because he doesn't like stupid people who think they're smart. But he set his style and let out his abrasive personality AFTER he got a tenured position and proved himself to be the best of the best. Whilst he was still gaining his credibility, he kept a conventional look and did not step on toes, especially when it came to getting funding. Now people donate no matter how he looks and acts, because he is passionately dedicated to his work and they know he's improving the world. The young woman here wants the freedom of being a maverick. But she hasn't done the work to gain a skill so valuable to the world that people will look past what offends them. She cares nothing for the good of humanity, only for her own feelings.
Load More Replies... I was really lucky having a tattoo artist that refused to tattoo anyone on the neck or face. He said that as long as he was tattooing he'd never do a tattoo above the collarbone because he never wanted someone to blame him for not being able to get a normal job. I don't care if you're a MIT graduate, you aren't getting a job with that c**p on your face. Telling that you were too inexperienced was just a nice way to tell you to kick rocks. Face and neck tattoos will keep you broke and on government assistance. Honestly the only job you'll probably ever get will be something in phone customer assistance where no one sees you. Should have used better judgement buttercup.
I don't have tattoos and it's not my thing though I do a little henna from time to time to spice it up. I'm also an atheist and quite honestly I find her demonic tattoos offensive. I also have dreadlocks and even with that I know they need to be toned down. Nothing crazy. Nothing distracting. It is what it is and we make our choices. You made a choice and I guarantee someone along the way said Hey maybe you shouldn't and you said f*** it It's my body. It is So now deal with it.
It may not be the tattoo placement or how many, but I'd bet money it's about the tattoo content.
If we had to like the faces of our coworkers to work with them, my team would certainly have a different composition.
Just get yourself to a city that doesn't care about tattoos etc. Once you're established and have a strong resume, you can live wherever you want to. Lots of online only jobs now, again build the resume. It's only entry level and executive level jobs that care about that sort of thing.
Let's be honest there not even good tattoos... That's a red flag too... "Oh I met him off of Craigslist vibe"
Her choice of tattoos and the placement of tattoos reflects on her judgement. We would consider that when making a hire, and pass.
It's not the tattoos and the piercings, but yeah is the tattoos and the piercings.
It's her belief that people should embrace her tattoos and piercings even though they're deliberately offensive and she's seeking to shove herself into the faces of those who will be offended. She should look for work at a tattoo parlour or a punk clothing store or as a night janitor or in online or phone IT services. At the same time, she should be building her skill set to make herself so valuable to an industry that her appearance won't matter. But she wants the job market to treat her like she's an irreplaceable treasure who contributes something vital before she's contributed anything at all.
Load More Replies... It's the tattoos...I'm scared just looking at demonic goat!! Get some body makeup and cover up
the following represents only my personal opinion. first said, i am heavily tattoed and i have visible tattoos on both my arms. not the small fineline artsy tattoos, big black oldschool tattoos. So here come my 5 Cents on being so heavily tatooed that it might become hard to find a job. The modern western society is not really ready for face tattoos, tattoed necks and hands. we live in a world where 50 years ago it was still common sense that tattooed people were either fresh out of jail or seamen/women(if there are such, i don't know). the whole boomer generation grew up on this biased opinion that these are bad people and so they, if still working in the hiring department or have any say in employing people, they rather will not employ heavily tattooed people. I personally don't like those parts of my body to be tattooed but for aesthetic reasons, i simply think it would not look good. I once heard a rule about face neck and hands go last, they are called jobstoppers for a reason.
I work in healthcare and most hospitals have rules about covering tattoos, so that face would definitely scare many people. My coworker has many tattoos, so he wears long sleeves . I was a patient in a public hospital (I collapsed outside the building and the doctor didn't want to transfer me). One of my female nurses had a partly shaved head, lots of tattoos and had piercings all over her face. Scared the heck out of me when she walked into my room, which was not good because I was there for a cardiac issue.
Exactly, how would it be if your elderly Mom woke up from anesthesia and saw that leaning over her? Who would be liable for her next heart attack? There are good reasons to reject job applications from grossly tattooed people.
Load More Replies... I'm pretty heavily tattooed. 90% of them are flowers, so most people aren't offended. I'm friend's with a lot of artists. We have conversations often about jobs vs. ink. Face and hand tattoos are called "job killers". You know what you're getting into, especially if some might find them offensive. We also have conversations about the (completely unrelated) absolute ridiculous nature of not allowing enthusiastic folk who happen to have no experience in the field to be taught. I'd take a bright and motivated candidate over a jaded experienced one any day. The system is unfair. A complete aside regarding tattoos: If you have any chronic conditions that may require pain medication or anything of the same class, you might want to wait on tattoos, until you have a doctor that knows you well. Myself and multiple friends (none of us into d***s. All very inked.) have been denied essential care treatment because they assumed we would abuse/take advantage/relapse. Again, it's bs, but real. Edit: OP, it's the content. You made points about the experience aspect, but it's obvious why you didn't get the job. You knew what you were doing. Edit 2: A dear friend literally has 666 tattooed on the side of her face. She knew before she got it that she wanted to (and is highly capable of) working in art, activism, and kitchens. Pretty much made it intentionally impossible to get jobs that would be dissatisfying for her goals. She's mighty successful.
I work in a healthcare office, and my male coworker has a lot of tattoos. He wears long-sleeved shirts so they're not noticeable. After checking with our manager, he got a tattoo of a rose on his hand with "Mom" under it. No one has complained, and it's tasteful.
Load More Replies... so, heres the thing...when you choose to get large face piercings and tattoos, it's a lifestyle choice as well as a body modification....you have to accept that people as a whole WILL judge on appearence...it sucks, cause im sure anyone with that amount of coverage is possibly a good person, willing to work hard, etc....but its just human nature....i say that as a person who is a fan of piercings and body modification
Did she try Hot Topic or have they moved on to a new esthetic? I haven't been to a mall in years.
I was wondering the same, she has the looks for Hot Topic. Hope she gets a job.
Load More Replies... When they do those studies to see how long it takes you to click positive vs negative traits for pictures of people with different races, people who take the longest to click positive attributes for people with facial tattoos are also taking the longest to click positive attributes for visibly disabled people, and are generally longer (but not longest) for positive attributes for races/religions other than their own.
Judging by the comment section, you could run a side business weeding out judgemental people for companies looking to hire.
You have to match your look to your target employer. You don't go to interview at a corporate office in jeans and boots. You don't interview for manual labour in a skirt suit and heels. If you're heavily tattooed, try piercing & tattoo parlors, leather/fetish gear shops, or something not customer facing. If you want a job in the mall, try a tattoo concealer. And as far as hiring goes, of course recruiters will take a more experienced applicant over a less experienced one. Employee turnover costs time and money, so an employee who knows what they're in for is a better choice than one who has no customer service experience, and might well decide they don't like like it. Tattooing a demonspider on your neck suggests an aggressive personal style. Non-verbal communication matters and you're saying "I'm aggressive, combative, unwilling to compromise, and I don't adjust my presentation or behaviour to fit in or get along with others."
Her instagram has a tonnnn of nudity. Don't think employers aren't looking at your socials!!
Even though I use the word f*ck on a regular basis, I was really put off by the guy at the Jack in The Box drive through who had a HUGE "F*CK YOU" tattoo on his neck. It's just really not work appropriate. Get a clue.
Why doesn't look up their employees dress code policies? It addresses facial piercings and tattoos. Thus her application only shows that applying she simply failed to prepare: laziness, lack of understanding or professional maturity. She also failed to prepare by not researching the company brand and mission statement, and those major product lines that would be sold by employee in such a position. Whatever, she has lost a grasp of reality, or she has a unjust sense of entitlement, and clearly doesn't understand the concept of company dress code. The HR person was smart, b/c she clearly was looking for cause for a discrimination claim and/or click-bait for social media exposure.
Face ink, whether intended to be or not, is a rejection of mainstream societal norms and automatically 'marks' you as someone with a bit *extra* going on. Right or wrong, you're rejecting the mainstream with that ink.
Tattoos are cool! But she looks f'n ridiculous.... "IDK know why I can't get hired". Maybe because you look like you could work as a stripper or for the cartel. Make stupid choices win stupid prizes..
She doesn't look very friendly or professional. She may be, but she doesn't seem to be. When you're working with people, they want you to LOOK inviting, competent and friendly. At a metal festival no one would question her looks, but in a bank, in a hospital or lawyer's office - the piercings alone would cause doubt, I think.
To be honest, y'all gotta stop whining about tattoos and piercings. They're not a big deal and shouldn't be taken as such. Unfurl your freak flag and let it fly.
You could probably get a job at a place that trends towards younger, more open-minded people. I've seen employees with tats and piercings at Mellow Mushroom, Starbucks, Hot Topic, etc. Just gotta consider the business's atmosphere.
I dunno... She kind of has a point. Employers are constantly whining that "nobody wants to work anymore", but when people who are visibly "different" apply, they get rejected left and right. Forget her tattoos. Ask a disabled peraon Ask someone with a deformity, etc. If you do t fit a certain "look" it's rejection. People want to work. Nobody wants to hire.
She should have no problem getting a job unless she want a job where she meets general public. (with exception of tattoo salons). Her tattoos look good, but they're in very visible areas and demon-themed. it might have a deterrent effect on some people .
I’ve worked in several customer facing jobs, I have plenty of tattoos / piercings, I’m also smart enough to balance my need for tattoos / piercings and being able to cover them up easily, whether it’s right or wrong to judge a tattooed person is pretty much irrelevant, I can argue all day long that we are just humans but if an organisation doesn’t want to justify why they have a tattooed member of staff then that’s that, you don’t get the job, sad but true. Always remember that actions have consequences, if you can’t handle the consequences then stop doing the actions!
So ugly. Why put art on your face that you would think twice about hanging on your wall? She might try becoming a nun in a cloistered convent?
I'd bet even money it's because the tattoos look demonic. Nobody wants their kids to think it's cool and being a face of the company means seeing people including moms and kids. Not to mention your would probably scare small children. Other people said start with the piercing. Not sure if any ever told you but originally that piercing was to control animals like oxen. Do what you want to. Probably would have had a better reaction if they were butterflies.
Yes, it is the tats - because they are not exactly welcoming. Perhaps put more thought into the next one.
"Waaah! Accept my autonomy! Don't judge me for my uniqueness!" To be rebellious in a conservative society/general public has consequences. Yes, people can do as they wish with their body but cannot expect to control other people's opinions and expectations. Discrimination based on appearance is wrong but a business owner knows their customers and are not going to hire someone who is displaying their "rebellious autonomy" and propensity for what is seen as making poor life decisions. If it upsets your parents then it will likely be rejected by future employers who are not inclined celebrate your individuality. (I have tattoos)
It's fine to express yourself in any way you choose, but you have to be aware and ready for the consequences of those choices. I've seen tatooed,pierced and alternatively colored and styled hair in many professional places...and I've known many who haven't been hired because of them.
C'mon, you have to realize that MANY employers wouldn't want you to be the face of their company. You're entitled to do whatever you want with your body (except get an abortion in the US - but I digress), but you look like a freak. Make stupid choices, win stupid prizes.
Retail workers represent the company they work for, and with this kind and amount of face / neck tattoos it's probably a quite limited amount of companies that would hire her for working with customers in person. And "there were other candidates with more experience" is the default phrase for rejection letters nearly everywhere - some times true, some times not but legally safe for the company and everyone who got rejected gets that exact line, too
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