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From retail chains to online marketplaces, some businesses allow customers to try out their products before they decide to buy them. And it’s kind of convenient. But today, more and more companies looking for employees implement the "try before you buy" concept and expect their applicants to work for free as part of the recruitment process.

Think of trial assignments ranging from presentations to entire projects all made for free. And what if a job opening doesn't even exist? No wonder it's so controversial. Liz Ryan, the CEO of Human Workplace, has recently shared an illuminating thread about one such instance which stirred a solid debate on Twitter.

Liz tweeted: “I met a woman who applied for an events planning job. She interviewed for the job and they said, We want you to plan and execute an event for us as a test, so we can see how well you do.” Turns out, “there was no job opening” in the first place and “they placed an ad for a full-time events planner just to try to rope someone into planning and executing a job fair for them—for free.”

As enraging as it sounds, this is all too common among job seekers. So now people with similar experiences took it to Liz’s thread to share how employers, hiring managers, and business owners have tried to outsmart them.

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Alma Muminovic
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s funny when people don’t think s**t all the way through.

Wistiti
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Glad he had the forethought to write the deletion code.

Magoomba
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

10 years ago I got screwed out of several thousand dollars from a contract I was given to write programs to build fracking pumps by a multi billion dollar corporation. Part of the flim flam was the claim that “the project had been cancelled” & somehow they thought that justified them for not paying me for work already done. Years later I’m working for a consulting company hired to help them with the same project. One of my tasks was to edit the “existing programs” they were currently using. I discovered that they were using MY old programs! They hadn’t even bothered to delete the note that stated that I was the program creator and the date the program was done. I showed it to my boss & told him the story. He said I should just forget it since the statute of limitations had passed & there was nothing we could do anyway. And he’s right. I’m just screwed. I am going to comment to the client about how great I think the original programs are just to see if they catch on. Bet they don’t.

Klaatu Verrata (Cough)
Community Member
3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, this is an Intellectual Property case if I've ever seen one. You CAN SUE, so long as you didn't sign any kind of release or consent allowing them to use your work. Anything you provide to them under the guises of a job interview that is used without your express consent violates intellectual property laws in many states.

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Klaatu Verrata (Cough)
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Intellectual property is a thing, and you can file suit when someone "steals" your intellectual property and uses it without your permission or compensation. That would apply here.

Toddo Colorado
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3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's pretty common, people value no one's time and effort but their own. Most people probably don't realize, to become an EMT Frontline first responder ( a job that pays little more than minimum wage and opens you up for all sorts of litigation ) you have to " volunteer " 500 hours before you're even eligible. I trained to be one out of a genuine desire to help people, but never became one because I couldn't afford to work for free. Oh and you have to buy your own uniforms too.

Katinka Min
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They were threatening to sue because somethign they stole wasn't working properly??

Jay Son
Community Member
3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Very similar as to what happened to me years ago in the Netherlands. As a test, they asked me to write some code, which I did. Turned out later that there was no job and I can only assume it was nothing more but to get some free coding done.

Bored Panda reached out to Liz Ryan, the author of this viral Twitter thread. Liz is a keynote speaker, multiple book author and the founder and CEO of Human Workplace. Human Workplace helps working people, job seekers and leaders navigate the human side of work. Liz also shares super useful daily advice on Twitter, so make sure to follow her!

“Whether it’s a conscious effort to get free work out of job candidates or not, it’s very common for the hiring process to include an involuntary ‘donation’ of unpaid labor,” Liz told us. “Sometimes it’s an interview that feels more like an unpaid consulting session, where the candidate explains how they would solve a business problem while the interviewer furiously scribbles down notes that will be used by the company later to solve the problem—without hiring the applicant.”

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure as soon as you pay me for it fool.

    GirlFriday
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This has happened to me. I always watermark my work and I do not remove it without compensation.

    Two_rolling_black_eyes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a friend of a friend (meet at the friend's parties) that's told me stories of a company trying to hire him to remove the watermark on a logo they are trying to steal for another submission he did.

    Drea Benoit
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, I learned that the hard way when I designed a new homepage for a fake camera store as a test, never heard back after submission, then saw it used on their own site. And one time previous to that when I designed a sample jersey for my city’s cycling team only to told they were going with another designer. Well imagine my shock when my good friend, a cyclist on the team, showed me the shirts and they were 100% my design. I did get paid for that one, though, after threatening to go to the local news with this unethical behavior. Never, ever, ever again.

    Ale Díaz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is sad and true... i was young, new in the city, and needed a job, so they told me to go for my first day of job, i was all day making brochures and everything, and they always telling me the HR will give me my contract the next day. So day is off, i went to home only to receive a call from them telling me the "boss" wants to hire his nephew for this job, and i'm not longer needed. I was furious.

    Fried Mermaid
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Knew about a T-shirt store that did amazing artwork and had a lot of stores at different malls, until some day they made a competition, every entry was a design, and a recognized artist called them out. They were doing this "contests" and they were taking all the best designs and were releasing them in their shirts years later. Worst part is the winner got to have their designe in a shirt and the recognition... no money no nothing. They ended up with like one store and I think they finally closed with the pandemic

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    Jay Son
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's debatable. If they didn't hire them, they may have ended up with the cost of those urls. Possibly better could've been to create a contract that they couldn't use any of it if they didn't hire them.

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    Demi Coro
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What happened? You didn't finish the story! :)

    CATMONSTER2018
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What do they mean by "Purchased every iteration of the URL..." ?

    Camille
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    he bought every domain he could think of with a similar name so that the company wouldn't be able to start a website with the product name (or any variation of it) that he thought of

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    Virgil Blue
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since they rejected it plus did not pay him I'm pretty sure it's still his copyright.

    -
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't mind doing technical tests (1-hour tops) to ensure that I know an app (or can at least adapt quickly). I would refuse to do a test of creative work.

    Bobby
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    absolutely, that is what a portfolio is for

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    V Martinez
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do companies not ask applicants for portfolios any more?

    Bob Standen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes he owns the copywrite for 50 years. Sue their arses off.

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    Liz continued: “Sometimes it’s a take-home project that the candidate is required to complete if they want to stay in the recruiting pipeline. I’ve heard from candidates who have been asked to take on 30- to 40-hour projects, unpaid, just to remain in the process.”

    She urges jobseekers to be on the lookout because sometimes, there isn’t even a job opening. “The company may not intend to hire anyone. I saw a startup CEO tell a room full of business people from a conference stage that he regularly posts fake job ads and interviews candidates just to get their ideas—for free,” Liz said.

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol it sounds super suspicious when they ask you to make something. Pretty sure that’s what a portfolio is for..

    Gerard Neaux
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's why it's customary never to make spec work. But there are people out there who are naive and desperate to get the job and they'll do it anyway.

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    Ozacoter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly most animal related jobs take advantage that animals lovers are often willing to work for free. Most places I have worked on exploit this and have mostly "interns" working with the same responsibilities as a worker but no pay.

    MCathenaE
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! Or want someone responsible, dependable & willing to give up every holiday to clean kennels for $10 an hour.

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    Bobby
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What happened to probationary periods at employers? Hey, you've got a 30day probationary period, we only pay x amount during that time, but after we're sure you are a good fit it goes to y. I know you can still get ripped off this way, but at least its a bit better cause you're being paid something

    Zulma Ruiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was a volunteer in a pet shop that rescues animals, I took the introductory course, they made me a promise that I would interact and play with them, I spent the entire month cleaning their cages, the only interaction was taking them out and putting them inside when I cleaned.

    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on her! So young yet so smart!

    Judy Sharits-Johnsen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Cannot have , " volunteers" unless you are a non profit.

    Vinita Talaulikar
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Interns are usually exploited with Low or No wages and tons of works dumped on them in the name of experience.

    Purple Gerbil
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have done paid and unpaid work in animal care but fortunately when it’s been unpaid I have knowingly volunteered for it. That said, the 2 paid jobs I have had are minimum wage even though neither jobs were for charities because animal care jobs have a lot of competition so employers know they can get away with paying the legal minimum. I did apply for a dog walking role and they invited me for an interview but I declined on the basis that I couldn’t afford to work for them after paying for all equipment, insurances, petrol and then working 2 weeks unpaid for ‘training’ and then once a proper employee be expected to hand over 40% of my earnings to the company!!!!

    M
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So you were opening a franchise? 40% is huge!

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    K L H
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ozacoter. That is NOT TRUE. Did u do your ‘research’? I owned a clinic for 30 years. It is STANDARD PRACTICE to pay for ANY time worked , STANDARD PRACTICE to provide appropriate uniform and tools and likely lunch as well. Grrr.

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    Erik Lawrence
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    exactly. If you dont value your time, why would you expect anyone else to?

    Emily
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These "trial period" jobs are a joke. Many companies hire employees with a 30-90 day probation period. In this time the employee can be terminated at any time for any reason BUT the employee is paid their full wages during this time. Never give your time, energy or skill to a company that won't compensate you for it!

    “My advice to jobseekers is to trust your instinct. After all, your trusty gut evolved over millennia to keep you safe. Listen to it!” And if you feel that your time and talents are being taken for granted in a recruiting process, walk away, Liz argues. “There’s another employer out there that deserves you on their team more than this one does.”

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    However, “if you submit any written work to an employer as part of the hiring process, add ‘original work by [your name], not to be used without express permission’ and the date.”

    Having said that, Liz added that this isn’t foolproof. “An organization unscrupulous enough to try to steal your ideas won’t necessarily respect this boundary either—but it may stop them from using your work in, let’s say, a product brochure or on their website.”

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    NJWanderer
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She is not the first, it happened to me, and she won't be the last. Know who YOU are interviewing.

    Robert Bailey
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Considering it was an internship, you wouldn't have gotten paid anyway.

    M
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not necessarily. Some are paid

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should of fixed it then undone it right before their eyes.

    Erik Lawrence
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    how? just magically? do you have access to every companies systems and programs out there?

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    Two_rolling_black_eyes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    AWS and other cloud hosting services are a godsend for things like this. Put your code in a docker box or something like it. Once they hire, the own the code. Until then, its a url.

    Willem Groenewald
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To go through all that effort just to get someone to fix a bug seems pretty excessive. I'm not so sure about this one.

    NJWanderer
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Programming tests are reasonable, and quite common.

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    Laura Edwards
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be very careful if doing this. If you are not an employee and there is any complication ( allergic reaction, chipped tooth, etc.) You could be held liable as you are not yet under their insurance. Never underestimate people who will throw you under a bus.

    Bobby
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US as least, a working interview has to be paid, and since they are paying you they had to get all your info for tax purposes, enroll you in payroll, etc. A working interview is actually more accurately described as probationary employment, so you should still be covered under insurance. But I agree, always be looking out for that bus

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    Mary E Perry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is it working interview the same as an audition?

    advice5cents
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dunno if it's changed, but in restaurant kitchens the first few probationary shifts are called a stage. (Long a, bc we're classy.) And asking about getting paid might get you laughed out the door. (I'm a FOH person, so someone correct me if I'm off base.)

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    Moreover, Liz shared advice on things you could say in an interview if you’re asked to solve a problem in excruciating detail. “You can say, ‘I can walk you through exactly how I would put together your marketing plan [for instance]—that is, the steps I would follow to get there. I can’t tell you what that plan will look like, as I sit here right now, because I don’t know your situation well enough yet.’”

    Another way to respond is to say “‘I don’t know enough about your goals, your competition, your product mix or any of the other relevant factors to design your marketing plan here and now’; ‘Here’s how I would gather the information I need to put that plan together…’”

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    Bobby
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    add a line of superfluous code that can work as a signature to prove you own it, not the company?

    Chickadee Circle
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All you had to say was Silicon Valley

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    Anna Banana
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Was it in the terms of the contest? Because that's usually what those types of contests are for.

    Kimi Tomminello
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is but a lot of people don't realize that these companies have the right to use your design after the terms of the contest has ended. It's usually in the fine print but most people don't keep reading once legalese starts.

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    Erik Lawrence
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    thats how 99% of design contests work for shoe and clothing companies... its usually one of the "prizes" for the contest. your design gets made.

    Sean Simpson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Isn’t that exactly how that sort of thing works? Like, design a shoe using our design assets and after a vote (or whatever) the winner’s shoe will be put into production. A regular shoe designer doesn’t have their name stamped on the shoe, so why would a non-employee contest winner?

    Drea Benoit
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah exploitation disguised as a contest with exposure 😒

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    Ozacoter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes its very common in lower paying jobs. Some years ago I applied for a job at a plant store and they demanded that i worked 2 days for free before deciding to hire me. Sure...

    AJ
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Worked in a clothing store in a shopping district. It was very common to ask a day or two trials before hiring someone. Exept the store next door was hiring all the time. They only had three people I recognised regulars. People doing the trials were their main work force to cover the main staff's days off. I was pleased when two of their regulars resigned on a spot just before black Friday. They had to keep the store closed at least for a day every week during the hottest season.

    Lara Verne
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once applied for a job. Not alone, there was group of eleven. They told us that they want us to work for free one week, and they choose two candidates who works the best. Hell no.

    J Rob
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is illegal in the US.

    Kimi Tomminello
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. A lot of these jobs are technically illegal to begin with (under the table).

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    Suzi Q
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow, they really only need one room cleaned to tell if you were a good cleaner or not.

    Meanwhile, in terms of take-home assignments, some people are comfortable donating one hour of work. “If you’re asked to do more than one hour of work for free at home, you can let the hiring manager or recruiter know that you’d be happy to complete the assignment on a consulting basis—and let them know your hourly fee,” Liz said.

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    When asked what the recruitment consultant thinks of unpaid internships, Liz said that they are also unethical: "they should be abolished.”

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    Marco Conti
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At least this Xerxes guy can unleash the might of the Persian Empire against these scammers. Wait until the "Immortals" show up at their corporate HQ.

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    Two_rolling_black_eyes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If I was her regular nanny, she'd be needing to find a lot more free coverage because I'd be looking for other employment. If I walked in the door and saw my employer had someone doing my job for free, I'd take that as a sign that I need to find another job before they find a series of people doing my job for free.

    Earl Grey
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    Maybe that nanny was a ninny?

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    Alma Muminovic
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Would of demanded she pay me for my time.

    Judy Sharits-Johnsen
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am pretty sure this ais a labor law violation . Though whether it is worth the work of reporting, that's another thjng.

    Marylu Mollo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Forget about to whom she might be entrusting her children's care and wellbeing.

    Davo gifman
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I bet that lady's name is B***h! An I'd almost guess that she would use that against the full-time nanny..."see!" I can replace you anytime I want!"

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    Alma Muminovic
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Id have volunteered and then not shown.

    Earl Grey
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And gotten a bunch of friends to do the same!

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    Rick Hoppenbrouwer
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Might be a sucker out there some where.

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    Mohsie Supposie
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The ads were probably written by another job applicant!

    Ameena Zakir Hussain
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh! This happened to me so many times. I write academic content for training institutes and trainers. One of the trainers asked me to write an entire unit of 10 hours duration just to be told that the institute did not approve the unit content. Later I found that he removed my logo and used EXACTLY the same material teaching. I hate myself because I was a fool to believe him.

    Lola Fagina
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you include commas in your writing?

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    zak
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think a lot of places charge "rent" to their salon employees (who aren't actually employees, but rather "independent contractors") for having a space/chair to cut hair or whatever, and the salon employee then sets their own prices and the salon owner gets a cut off their profits.

    Jay Son
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The "work for free the 1st month" doesn't make me believe this is that situation, though. Because, if so, surely she wouldn't balk and decline.

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    Memere
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are hair salons that rent the chair/booth space to the stylist. This way, the salon owner doesn't have to set up payroll & deal with all the paperwork. The stylist brings their clients into the salon, gets paid by them, then pays a base rent to the owner. It's actually fairly common here in the U.S., thus the stylist is paying to work there.

    Bobby
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I could see asking for them to treat one customer for free as a test of ability. 1 month is absurd

    Suzi Q
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know salons here rent out spaces (a chair and mirror, etc.)

    Two_rolling_black_eyes
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Its common in salons that the stylists/etc pay a chair fee. You rent a space (chair, sink, etc) for $XXX a day from the salon owner. You're a contractor, not an employee. They get a cut of each customer that walks through the door (usually a flat rate) and you keep the rest of the charges. You can usually tell if a place does this if the person working with you aggressively tries to upsell (don't you think we should do highlights as well?) because that's how they are breaking even instead of making a salary.

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    Crispy Toast
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It may have been chair rental, but it sounded sketchy

    Stephanie A Mutti
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If people were willing to "pay to work here" then you wouldn't be hiring.

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    Sunny Day
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh, you got the job. You just forgot to negotiate pay.

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would coming up with a marketing plan be part of buying it tho? Sounds suspicious from the bat.

    advice5cents
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are all kinds of hoops for franchisees, especially if they'll have exclusive access to a regional market. A company doesn't want to tie up space with a dud. I mean, it's easy to spot a con after the rip-off, but most of us have been duped sometime somewhere.

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    Katinka Min
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not sure why Wilvanders comment was downvoted os much. It might not apply to all, but it certainly applies to many' charities'

    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago

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    15 years of high level fundraising experience = 15 years of conning people to give their hard earned cash to bogus charities where 75% of the income is used to pay their 4 person staff.

    advice5cents
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hired volunteers at Housing Works in NYC. They may be the exception to the rule. It's an awesome org and from what I could tell, had/has their priorities in the right place. I know, boring story, but I owe it to them to pipe up!

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thats his bad for showing up for a month without some type of contract signed. But this is something he can take to small claims court if he can prove he was there and did the labor. A month is a long time to screw someone. I had a job that said weekly pay was 400-800$ and when I went to the interview it seemed sketch and I said I had another interview the next day and would let them know. They seemed offended. But anytime there is a pay thats a range it means it’s a scam, cause the pay is suppose to be set. Also they seemed too eager which was suspicious in and of itself.

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, in entry level or low paying jobs, they always post a range. "Starting pay is $9-15/hr with opportunity for advancement"... Translation: "starting pay is $9/hr with opportunities to do 5x the work for $3 extra per hour"

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    Brooke Weber
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This happened to my mom years ago! Plagiarized her literally word for word on a big PR article. She's still bitter Years later... I don't blame her!

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    Courtney Lunsford
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok little angry man.. yup you have the ability to fire someone from all of London... when they never worked for you... lmao

    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "wow your resume and references are awesome and you seem to really know your stuff.... But if looks like this other company (that other higher ups in the industry know is scamming for free labor) has banished you from the city. Sorry, you really seemed like a good fit. I just wish that guy didn't get to control all of London"

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    Humberto Zapico
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you have your own business, you work for free until you make a deal or a sale. Can make the most but is also the most risky.

    Humberto Zapico
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Depends how good you are. I made a ton of money on commission only jobs. They are hard to work because it's a lot of phone calls and convincing people. Also depends what you're selling.

    WilvanderHeijden
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    3 years ago

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    And you continue to work for free because you're on commission and don't get paid if you fail to get more customers. How can people be so stupid to accept those conditions?

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    Rijkærd
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are a real gem...thats how it should be .....crunchy mama

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    Rick Hoppenbrouwer
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Should have planted one of your boots up their ass.

    Rijkærd
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When internal politics,nepotism and other favouritisms fail to find any reason to not hire then all reason goes out of their brains and they say the weirdest s**t....

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    Alma Muminovic
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh god pyramid schemes are the worst! I had a couple try to rope me into one once, they wouldn’t tell me the pitch till like the 3rd meeting and at which point the guy starts trying to explain it to me and starts drawing little “triangles” all over the paper. So Im like “ohhh like a pyramid scheme.” He’s like “well we don’t like to call it that.” And I said, “you may not like to but your sitting here drawing little pyramids in front of me.” He seemed offended. I told them no thanks and boogied on outta there.

    advice5cents
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ha. "Drawing little pyramids." Good on you, for calling them out. Can't say I've always been that collected.

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    advice5cents
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Working for salary isn't the same as working for free, but I'll bite. Damn the man!

    IDK_Something
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For anyone curious..... 2) job and I would invoice him separately. Begged me to stay, then tried to “work it in” with off requests for an entire month. I documented everything I did outside the description, demanded back pay, reference letter, and threatened to sue. I resigned with large a severance.

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    advice5cents
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most places I've worked that pay under the table try to convince you that it's a perk they offer. "No social security! No unemployment insurance! No PTO. And if you get hurt on the premises, we'll deny knowing you!"

    Bettie-Jean Neal
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Trailing" at a restaurant is a fairly common practice. My ex-husband, who is now an exec chef, while working his way up the ladder, when he was interested in working at a particular place, would go in trail, for free, for a 1/2 day or full day to see if it was a fit or not. Happens all the time.

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    Rachel Peterson
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You actually sign 3 new clients and recover past due balances, and they didn't hire you right away? They were so stupid!

    just me
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a little concerned they let a random person have access to any files needed to collect on past dues.

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    LittleLiz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If it's all true, they did the defamation themselves when they acted like that

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    Daniel Marsh
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is illegal. If you produce something as a "test" or "trial" for employment, you still own it. You can sue them for not only what they should have paid you, but for all money derived from your work. It's only theirs if you are a regular employee of theirs when you make it.