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What does it mean to be a "real" man? Well, masculinity is one of those topics everyone has an opinion on, as gender norms remain a delicate subject that tends to spark heated debates online. And even though public attitudes are becoming more accepting in many ways, stereotypical patterns of masculine behavior are still deeply rooted in our society — according to the age-old cliché of the masculine guy, men are expected to be strong, brave, and dominant.

But in reality, when people are telling everyone that a macho man doesn't cry, takes risks, makes money, fears nothing, and — heaven forbid! — never shows any signs of emotional vulnerability, it can spark some pretty warped ideas about manhood.

Thanks to one illuminating corner of Twitter called 'Hot Masculinity Takes,' we get to see a galore of absurd cases when this happens online. "Welcome to the Alpha Zone," says the account’s description, and you already know it’s gonna be a wild ride. So continue scrolling to check out the absolutely ridiculous opinions about men on the Internet, and don’t miss the chat we had about masculinity with licensed clinical psychologist Dr. Jesse Matthews right below.

Psst! After you’re done with this list, more madness awaits in Part 1 of this feature right here.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wanna punch the idiot who wrote this put down. And I’m an oh-so-estrogenic woman. My crushing lack of testosterone must be making me so irrational to say something like this. Isn’t it?🙄😤😡 Who is this misogynistic weirdo, to think he can be rude to the ladies and gentlemen like that? Bet he’s an insecure neckbeard.

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It’s hard to avoid encountering the term toxic masculinity these days. But as the person behind the account, who preferred to stay anonymous, told my colleague Rokas in a previous interview, this social media project is not purely about that. The philosophy of the page is to post the takes and let people make their own conclusions. "I do draw a lot from the manosphere but a lot of the takes are from women speaking about men, and I include left-wing hot takes too," the creator added.

A brief scroll through the list proves that harmful stereotypes about what it means to be a man are abundant in today’s society. But what exactly urges people to share their absurd statements without any second thought? And how can these ideas affect men seeking out their masculine identity?

To gain more insight on the topic from an expert, we reached out to Dr. Jesse Matthews, Psy.D., a licensed clinical psychologist based in Chester Springs, PA. According to him, ideas about masculinity have become quite polarized in our society.

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"As masculinity has moved away from the 'manly man' or 'tough guy' definitions, many people have not only clung to these stereotypes, but they have made them more extreme," Dr. Matthews told Bored Panda. This usually stems from people rejecting the changing views, and "social media in particular creates echo chambers for this, with various influencers carrying the flags for those who identify with their views."

While we all bear different perspectives on the world around us, masculinity especially can be a very deep rabbit hole with a variety of different viewpoints. But Dr. Matthews raised an important question: why do these ideas matter so much to people?

"Obviously, it’s part of life for any guy or anyone who identifies with masculinity, but the obsession with being a 'real man' is more based in insecurity. The person essentially needs to ensure that they present a masculine enough identity to avoid judgment or being called out as not masculine by other guys," the psychologist explained.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is funny. Only people I know "harassing" people were anti vaxxers. People who got the shot, wore the mask and got on with their lives.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right? I have a daughter in high school. Chooses to wear a mask because she wants to. Had some boys telling her to take it off, that it looks stupid. What’s it to them? You know they have anti vaccine parents. SMH

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What does lifting have to do with not dying of covid?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked with a guy like this. He thought that because he was at the gym all the time(before lockdown), and took supplements, he wouldn't get sick. I live in Florida, the first state to open up after lockdown, and worked at a restaurant at the time. Guess who spent a month in the hospital? Both of his parents, who he lived with. He brought it home, was quarantined for two weeks, and his lackadaisical attitude towards it meant they both ended up in the hospital. Luckily they survived.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being smart and taking responsibility isn't manly? Well, time for me to grab a skirt then

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can help your frail, flabby self with your makeup! While I’m doing that, we can laugh at the incels running around daring COVID to infect them. SMH.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This guy needs to meet the guy who said "lifting weights is feminine conduct"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

.....frrrrrrppppt! Oh sorry, but I fart in the general direction of this comment. And yawn, and fart again. Since when is being an education, unselfish individual who cares enough about their community to do the right thing not manly. Vs this kind of rebellious teenage b******t?.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fellas, is not wanting to die, or infect those around you girly?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the brain power and imagination it takes to LARP is far superior to this empty headed man-child

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm so glad this attitude never really took off in Japan. In the early days, there was a brief anti-mask, anti-vaccination surge, and they announced rallies on social media, but I think nobody really wanted to be a part of it.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

hmmm... by this post it feels like you are just trying to boost morale

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can see that my eyes -are going to be tired of rolling after ploughing through these piles of poop.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here's hoping this ignorant little fuckwad gets Covid then ..... Oh, and then suffers from long Covid - seee how much fcking lifting he'll be doing then (as an explanation / example, he'll be lucky to be able to lift his d**k to p**s !!) !!!

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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In some primitive cultures, a man using the word 'whilst', would be laughed at, pointed at, jeered at, and considered the most unmanly. Might even lead others to believe he doesn't lift either.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imagine being so insecure and delusional that you believe being a toxic d**** bag somehow makes you feel like more of a man. All I'm hearing is a Neanderthal who still believes in magic.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every man in the world who does not lift weights is a pathetic coward, everyone knows this.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh, but they're breathing still. Can't say the same for more than a few who thought that ignoring a major worldwide health crisis proved they had stones.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What purpose do people like serve in the community? They really are nothing but an endless source of misery for everyone. Probably an "incel", so perhaps their self-created barriers to procreating will mean these particular genes will hopefully go extinct soon.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh Zuby are you feeling jealous?? Just look in the mirror and tell yourself " I love myself. I am not weak." I am really sorry your manhood has been threatened by the real hero's!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lifting doesn't mean sh!t when I punch you in the throat.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

be a dear and demonstrate Darwin's law...By yourself please. People shouldn't pay for your stupidity ...

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Covid doesn't care how much you can lift...it will still wreck you.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you get a bad enough case of COVID, the only thing you'll be lifting will be your oxygen cannula.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So if I just get my lift on then I can wear my mask and harass other people, nice. Weirdo.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what did I even just read? They dont even lift?? 😂😂

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah, to be a man you must lift. Also, to be a man you must understand that macho and man are antonyms. And macho and douchebag are synonyms.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, it's "weak" to try to stay healthy snd also protect others?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So lifting weights is more important than protecting your own life and the lives of those around you now? Wow.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

After reading some of these I'm beginning to think some of these men are really insecure in their masculinity and are afraid of being seen as gay.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

None of them lift? I consider males who go to the gym to just because they want to look better extremely homosexual behaviour. There's nothing wrong with keeping fit and healthy, but being so bothered by how you look is extremely unhealthy!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did this dude really use the word "whilst", complete with pinky-finger-in-the-air T on the end while invoking his little "low-status male" diatribe??

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The goth kids in South Park burned the vampire püssies quite similar ... "Hell, do you even smoke?" - none of them even lift. As if pointlessly wasting energy I have paid for - I don't eat for free ... do you? - and waste a lot of time, only to be sweaty and stinking afterwards (the malest it gets, huh?), would make me a man. I'm an engineer. If I want something to be lifted, I can easily construct a device that outperforms any human in any and every liftery task. Vaxed and Masked - how does it make me more of a man if I expose myself and those around me to a potentially fatal disease? If you were to run a marathon, would you step on some rusty nails the night before, just to man-up?

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Men who are insecure about their manliness exhibit behavior that is often exaggerated and even caricature-like. But Dr. Matthews says there’s also irony at play here. "Many of these individuals would tell you that being a real man means just doing your thing and not caring about what anyone thinks about it. However, one can’t simultaneously obsess over portraying an ultramasculine image, yet claim to be unconcerned about judgment. It just doesn’t compute."

Hypermasculinity — or toxic masculinity as it’s usually called — is also based on the false belief that masculinity needs to be saved, Dr. Matthews argued. "In the same way that some people seem to be afraid that racism or homophobia might one day die out. So they embrace stereotypes, or how they think things 'should' be or were in 'the good old days.'"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, so a man drinking a fruity drink sounds like a great way to filter out super shallow people. Drink up men, the fruity drinks are the best.

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But putting men (half of the world’s population!) in a box can seriously harm their well-being. "It’s limiting at best, and at worst it leads people to play into these stereotypes." For example, hypermasculinity often makes people act in ways "that are sexist or homophobic, or at least not challenging others on this kind of behavior."

"It also has the power to create toxic environments, uncomfortable for women or men viewed as not masculine, and of course to lead to situations involving sexual assault," Dr. Matthews continued. "As well, if these men carry on these thoughts and behaviors through adulthood, they may pass them down to their children or other young people they come into contact with, like kids they are teaching, coaching, and so on."

According to the American Psychological Association (APA), instilling elements of traditional masculinity into men and boys can be psychologically harmful, as it has been shown to limit their development, constrain their behavior, and result in gender role conflict. What’s more, it can negatively influence their mental and physical health.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This screams red flag all over. Anyone under that height is usually underage (with the exception of naturally petite women).

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And men wonder why we women have a tendency to come off as cold, closed-off, and wary with men we dont know. Obviously, even the men we DO think we know can be a danger to us.

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For men who try to seek out their identity and find a healthy relationship with their inner guy, these societal pressures and expectations can be especially burdensome. "It can be hard for people to stand out or to be seen as going against those around them. For example, a male raised in a family or in a community with traditional masculine stereotypes may find it hard to explore or adopt a less stereotyped identity," Dr. Matthews said, adding the person is likely to be criticized, punished, or excluded for it.

Unfortunately, most people who are raised in stereotyped environments tend to internalize those behavior patterns. Psychologist Matthews explained this happens because they don’t know anything else and it feels right to them, or they feel pressure to fit in.

"This can mean demonstrating extreme or toxic masculinity, as not only could one fit in that way, but he could be praised or more highly valued in the group for it." And, alarmingly, "in places like prisons where this applies, it could actually help you to survive."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only the most insecure men use words like alpha and beta males. Do they not realize how it makes them sound?

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Extreme views like the painfully ridiculous ones featured on 'Hot Masculinity Takes' are rarely a positive thing. But as the modern world now teaches us, the subject matter is much less black-and-white.

"Masculinity is not simply the opposite of femininity, just as it is not synonymous with heterosexuality," Dr. Matthews noted. "Many people today see being masculine as being calm and controlled vs angry and reactive, being a good problem solver rather than one who relies on brute force to solve everything, or standing up for other people or what’s right vs trying to control or overpower others."

What people see as healthy masculinity may differ, but generally, we can all foster it by not judging other people. "This means not being worried about what other men are doing and giving people the space to be themselves," Dr. Matthews added. "We can all do what we want to do and believe what we want to believe. Masculinity isn’t going anywhere, so people don’t need to try to be the protectors of it or to act in stereotyped ways to let people know they exist."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mmm, yes, let's never stop living with perpetual brutality, chaos, and death.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

High blood pressure, obesity, high blood sugar, malnutrition, but I can't think of any real reasons.

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Many men in Dr. Matthews’s practice have never gone to therapy before, and some wouldn't even be expected to be found in a psychologist’s office at first glance. But they are sure glad they did. "This idea of what it really means to be a man and the positive and negative ways in which they have lived this is a frequent topic of conversation."

"I would encourage anyone concerned with issues of identity, including ideas about masculinity, to start reflecting on it in some kind of organized way. Don’t just watch videos by your favorite IG or Tik Tok influencers, but start journaling, reading books, or going and seeing a therapist. It really can change your life," Dr. Matthews concluded.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Picturing this guy putting together flat-pack furniture without instructions ('cause those are for girls) and when his shelf turns into a table, he just throws it through the wall. Because bro

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BREAKING NEWS: WORK COLLEAGUES OFTEN ENGAGE AS FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER. MORE ON THIS AT 11.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Say you're insecure about your masculinity without saying you're insecure about your masculinity

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

James Butler is a septic tank guy on TikTok and YouTube who has a 'manly' job, but also decent general advice about being a boss of a company. It's not all dancing and "challenges" on TikTok.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone else think that the whole alpha, beta, sigma whatever is just dude bro astrology?

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