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There have been many instances in our history where someone warned us about something, but we didn't listen at all. It seems that before almost any major event, a doctor, scientist, or politician already knew the outcome, but was simply ignored. It seems to be a repeating pattern, so the question this Redditor asked sparked a lot of interest from internet users.
Many chimed in to share all sorts of stories that are very insightful and eye-opening. Perhaps reading through them will help us get some perspective on our world and see that having an open mind is a very good thing. It seems that in a lot of instances, great tragedies might have been avoided if only people listened to each other more.
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#1
Isaac Asimov in 1980:
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
General Anaesthesia 3 years ago
Not just the US, alas. The rest of the 'western world' is catching up fast.
Doug 3 years ago
The rest of the western world is sadly heading in the same direction, but the US seems pretty determined to increase its lead.
Load More Replies... Kayjunmoon 3 years ago
Isaac Asimov started me on a lifelong love of science fiction. Intelligent and creative man.
Debrina Blackmoon 3 years ago (edited)
:) I had to read every Robot novel available in hs.
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Loki’s Lil Butter Knife 3 years ago
I also think that acclaimed science fiction author Octavia Butler also predicted President 45 aka "The Evil Cheeto Dust Covered Oompa Loompa." In her book the Parable of Talents which was written in 1992, a totalitarian fascist "president" named Jarret is elected. He vows to "make America great again" (actual words from the book).
Load More Replies... Delta Dawn 3 years ago
We also decided at some point that sticking stubbornly to an opinion or mindset you developed years ago is a good character trait. It is most definitely not.
Lyone Fein 3 years ago
True of those on the left, the right, and everywhere else on the spectrum.
Gonzalo Terán 3 years ago
As an argentinian living in Argentina, I can´t agree more with Mr. Asimov...
Tom De Paul 2 years ago (edited)
It used to be that the ignorant knew they were ignorant (or at least knew they sounded stupid) so they kept their ideas mainly to themselves. With the advent of Trump, suddenly ignorance was trumpeted (see what I did there) and they have yet to shut up.
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#2
(Edit* Colleen) Rowley--warned her FBI superiors in June 01 that names on their jihadi watch list were taking flying lessons but not interested in learning how to land
Her report didn't get read until October
Norah Reilly 3 years ago
What a godawful feeling she must have had to find that she'd been right in being concerned.
Load More Replies... Adam Jeff 3 years ago
This is a myth or at least grossly exaggerated. None of the flight schools has said that they were not interested in learning to land. Concerns were raised about some of the highjackers, but they were mostly related to them not having good enough English to be pilots - nothing that would have been a warning of evil intent. None of the highjackers were on a watchlist at the time of their flight training, although 2 of them perhaps should have been.
featherytoad 3 years ago
I doubt the "not interested in learning how to land" part is true. That would have raised some serious red flags for them that they would not have wanted.
David H 3 years ago (edited)
It had to do with the Clinton FBI Reforms in the 90s that fragmented the org, which made it hard for different divisions to share info or colaborate. It was to save money, and it did, but hurt effectiveness. Also the FBI was mostly still using 1994 IBM's because in 1997 and 1999 Clinton vetoed their purchasing of newer computers as a cost saving technique (in Summer of 2001 Bush approved of the new computers, they hadnt arrived yet by 9/11). There were many reports by men that fell through the cracks as well. This whole thing was what happens when you nickle and dime an investigation agency
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Elizabeth Butler 2 years ago
This led to a widespread conspiracy theory that the info was deliberately ignored in order to justify to the public the passing of the Patriot Act and the end of privacy.
We got an interview with the Reddit user MLK-K-K that asked the question. Firstly, we asked them why they created the post in the first place. They said, "I created that post just for fun, really did not expect it to blow up."
When we asked whether they found out anything interesting or new after making the post, they said that they learned a lot of "really obscure historical facts." And we think you might find that to be true.
#3
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing-down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.” -Carl Sagan
Therese Ernholdt 3 years ago
I genuinely recommend the book this quote comes from. The demon-haunted world: science as a candle in the dark
Steve Robert 3 years ago
Carl Segan saw our future better than any psychic could have. The rise of Trumpism unfortunately demonstrates just how far down this rabbit hole we've fallen into. And I fear for my grandchildren and great grandchildren that we are on the same path that Germany followed, with our own Hitler waiting in the wings, to nullify our Constitution and lead to a techno-dictatorship.
No Name 3 years ago
And that person is very likely Ron DeSantis. Read up on some of the laws he's passed in the last few years that serve no purpose other than to harass people he and his base don't like just long enough to secure nominations, elections, endorsements, etc before the courts block or suspend the laws on constitutional grounds. He is T**** with a brain and he is abjectly horrifying.
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Id row 3 years ago
I've been saying this for decades. It's a big part of why I chose not to have kids. The world is a cesspool and I wouldn't - no, couldn't - subject another person to it.
Viper Dogfish 3 years ago
The world is not that bad. One just have to stop giving a f**k too much.
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#4
In 2005, Courtney Love was asked what advice she'd give young, up and coming actresses. She said "If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party at his Four Seasons hotel room, don't go." And for whatever reason, you didn't see her in many movies after that.
Full of Giggles 3 years ago
Oddly enough, I finished watching She Said about an hour ago. I definitely know why she hasn’t been in many movies.
Veronica Michelle 3 years ago
The amount of negativity in these comments towards this woman is disgusting.
Kevin Sutton 3 years ago
Absolutely, she was the lead singer in a band adored by many that sold millions. It's Yoko syndrome, people don't want to believe Cobain was a grown a*s man capable of making his own decisions
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Sue Phillips 3 years ago
Courtney deserved an Oscar nod for playing Althea Flynt. Not necessarily a win, but definitely a nomination.
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
Harvey Weinstein is a very powerful Hollywood executive who has sexually assaulted many, many female artists. This post implies that, because Courtney Love spoke out against him many years ago before his criminal actions came to light, she was denied opportunities to work in Hollywood.
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soakingwetbread 3 years ago
she should be recognized for that but she is a terrible person in general, she’s racist, she introduced kurt to heroin, and she admitted to doing drugs while pregnant i dint like her but thats just me
Myst Edenflower 3 years ago
I thought she was good in 100 Cigarettes, but there's a lot of acting in that film I liked so maybe I've forgotten
We also asked why they think people sometimes ignore warnings, and they said that it's probably because of "poor risk assessment." Most of these stories are connected to that, because people usually don't want to believe the worst is going to happen. We also asked what important thing, in their opinion, is being ignored right now: "Proper diet, nutrition and the importance of sleeping well."
#5
When women said that overturning Roe would lead to attempts to a national abortion ban, bans on contraception, and bans on IVF.
Hotdogking 3 years ago
Covering up a pyrimid scheme. But this comment hit the nail right on the head, unfortunately
Liv harrison 3 years ago
@amanda Louise how many girls and women will be forced to carry a r@p1sts baby and how many will return to either often fatal back room abortion or suicide ? Personally as a victim of assault at kindergarten age f$&k you
John G 3 years ago
The rich and powerful will still have access to these, including abortion. It’s only the poor and working class that are going to be forced to give birth. The rich are not going to send their children to war, so they need the offspring of the working poor to go to war. They sell the public that it’s patriotic to fight for “freedom and democracy” when in reality they fight to protect the wealth of American oligarchs.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
And now we are watching this happen in real time. And BP, you ban good people for life, yet you still let creeps try to swindle other BPers to post their evil schemes, you need to change your rules!
JC 3 years ago
They actually have. Click the ellipses at the top of any comment to see the report button. Being downvoted no longer means being banned.
Load More Replies... Id row 3 years ago
I have no faith in humanity, but never in a million years would have thought RvW would have been overturned. I'm so, so glad I chose not to have kids. Imagine creating another human female and turning them out into the world as it is today? What about creating a male who turned out to be a NiceGuy and an abuser or even a mass shooter? Humanity is awful and only getting worse. You can't even get health care without getting bankrupted.
Trond Øien 3 years ago (edited)
Republicans tout freedom while chipping away at rights (and this is just Montana) https://thewesternnews.com/news/2022/mar/08/republicans-tout-freedom-while-chipping-away-right/
v 3 years ago
Republicans only care about freedom made their way. And there's a reason they're called conservatives. Oddly enough, it wasn't that long ago...about 150 or so years...that republicans were actually liberal. This was during the time of Lincoln and just after and this is why there are quite a few conservatives who like to claim "party of Lincoln". He is a historical favorite and their claimed association is to try to make them seem less bad. The only thing is that there is no conservative alive today in the U.S. who would come near supporting something as liberal as abolishing slavery.
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Michael Largey 3 years ago
I really think that everyone knew quite well that overturning Rowe would lead to these things. Opponents of choice made that shriekingly clear to the whole country.
Bored Trash Panda 3 years ago
When the opinion was leaked at the beginning of the year, my dad argued with me that it would never actually happen.... I threw it in his face when it did.
tl gmc 3 years ago
There are some states that say an embryo is life. In IVF you lose embryos, not all result in a baby. So the doctor could be "murdering" the embryos because only 1-2 out of 10 resulted in a baby
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Niki A 3 years ago
I cannot believe that people think that everyone wants to be, or should be a mother. I'm literally pregnant right now, and I want this baby VERY much. But I'm not going to sit here and tell someone else what to do with their uterus. Maybe if we created a law saying men had to forcibly take care of every child they produced or face immediate consequences, we wouldn't have this discourse at all.
#6
President George Washington, in his address when leaving office. He warned against the danger of a two party system in future politics. He felt that several parties on equal footing would be better. Especially in presidential elections. The more legitimate choices, the better.
Lyone Fein 3 years ago
Yes. America has needed more political parties throughout its entire history.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
When one party supports a true imbecile for US Senate, and 49% of the people vote for him, we are definitely in trouble,!
Id row 3 years ago
There shouldn't be any 'parties'. There should be candidates with ideas and plans and people should vote for whoever has the best ones. It shouldn't be, "Well, this candidate is a sleazy tv show host with no political experience who brags about SA'ing women, but he's a republican, so I'll vote for him." That is a messed up system.
Scott Crowe 3 years ago (edited)
The problem we have is 3rd parties never get enough votes to beat out the other two which is why we're mostly forced to vote red or blue. Trump got elected by a number people who didn't necessarily support him but really, really didn't want Hillary and knew that a vote for a 3rd party would just be a waste, and I'm sure the same can be said vice-versa.
Hans_not_the_real_Hans 3 years ago
I prefer a system where you have 5 or 6 parties which need to build coalitions. You always have give something to your partners. And for almost everybody there is a certain party. A hurdle of 5% forces prevents a fragmentation. Yes, I am from Germany and I really like our system despite some flaws if I compare it to e.g. the US.
hobbitly 3 years ago
Not an American here, but why did he not change the system when he was president then?
Allen Packard 3 years ago
THIS. I am so sick of our two party system and the trash people that are in power. Ridiculous.
We asked what, in their opinion, is the main reason people refuse to listen to others. Is it ego or something else? They said that it's "Not necessarily ego. Mostly just lack of time, and sometimes people just want their own individuality."
They also shared some words of wisdom as to what every person should learn in order for us to grow as a society: "Live and let live."
#7
Ignaz Semmelweis often described as the father of hand washing. In the 1800s he discovered that ~~infant~~ maternal mortality could be drastically reduced by doctors washing their hands between patients. He was largely ignored and his book got absolutely slated. This is supposed to have contributed to him having a mental breakdown and he died in a psychiatric hospital.
Groundcontroltomajortom 3 years ago
Especially looking back as this is now seen as such a simple but effective practice!
Load More Replies... Nicole Weymann 3 years ago
Not only didn't the doctors wash their hands between patients (bad enough) - they also performed autopsies. They rummaged around in some poor sod's guts and went right on to their next patient's mucous membranes without wasting any time or soap, making them a major contributor to the then much discussed puzzling phenomenon of childbed fever.
Na Schi 3 years ago (edited)
Came here to say the exact same thing. It got also that bad that pregnant women avoided hospitals because of this death rate and desperately searched for a midwife instead. This "phenomenon" caused Semmelweis to think and then to explore why the death rate of women/infants were being so much lower when being in another's woman's experienced care. Spoiler: those women practiced basic hygiene. (Edit: spelling of 'why')
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Linda van der Pal 3 years ago
Of courses the nurses and midwives knew this long before he did and were also ignored...
liam newton-harding 3 years ago
Also trying to put an end to, "Birthing Coats". A special coat that doctors wore, when helping mothers give birth. They only had one, and it was never, ever washed.
John Dilligaf 3 years ago
doctors were incensed because his advice that they wash their hands was insulting to them They were gentlemen and a gentleman's hands are never unclean.
Satan Laughs 3 years ago
Nurse here: can confirm. He was publicly ridiculed by that time’s leading physicians. By publicly, I mean there was some demeaning sh-t talking by eeeeevery doctor around him and that made things worse. Oh, so much worse. Those colleagues went on to practice medicine in the most archaic and non-hygienic ways possible, resulting in many, many babies and mommies who painfully passed away from horrid infections and complications. Poor guy.
#8
Sinead O’Connor. Suddenly a coverup at the Catholic Church of child abuse doesn’t seem so silly.
angel B 3 years ago
Let's not forget the murdering of children and babies at "schools"in the US and Canada. I'm sure they did another country to.
VonBlade 3 years ago
She tore up a picture of the pope to protest child abuse, got in massive trouble and was basically un-personed. But of course she was right the whole time, as we discovered a few years later.
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Steve Robert 3 years ago
Now that the Catholic Church controls the Supreme Court, look for a new Imposition to take root.
Peter Trudell Jr 3 years ago
not the Catholic church... damn, they're all protestants of some sort. This country was in an uproar over a Catholic President...
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Barbara Vandewalle 3 years ago
Do not investigate just the Catholic Church. Every EVERY church has abusers. Even your church. No different than the family that says 'not my grandfather', he would never. Yes he did. So did your church. I know too many various church members who get away with abusing children and cheating spouses to think any church is not guilty.
#9
[Roger Boisjoly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Boisjoly) - Engineer involved with the Space Shuttle program who warned his superiors for months prior to the Challenger disaster that launching in cold weather could cause the O-rings to fail.
Care to guess what caused the Challenger disaster?
Geoffrey Scott 3 years ago
Hell, I watched the 2 or 3 smoke trails the day it happened from Vero Beach...stunned
Load More Replies... Lara Verne 3 years ago
Imagine his frustration. Disaster could be prevented, if only they listened to him.
Monday 3 years ago
AND then they tried to punish him for it by discreetly changing his job title and position so he couldn't be involved with finding the truth behind the disaster.
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Anyone-for-tea? 3 years ago
This is so difficult to understand how all those intelligent people could ignore a warning so dire. Was the chance of them failing within an acceptable risk or was it almost a certainty? Sounds like I need to watch that documentary!
Monday 3 years ago
It was unacceptable to the engineers but acceptable to managers. The managers asked the engineers to "prove that it would fail" rather than prove that it was safe. I would recommend watching the documentary, it is really good and we hear directly from the head engineer that was so opposed to the launch, but it basically boiled down to the engineers saying "this is dangerous, don't do it" and the managers saying "well we have deadlines to meet so we're going to do it".
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Scott Baysinger 3 years ago
We engineers are accustomed to being marginalized or outright ignored by MBA managers. Years of such treatment can result in bitterness.
#10
David Attenborough, and I don’t think we are listening, well certainly not doing enough.
Groundcontroltomajortom 3 years ago
This man has devoted his whole life to our beautiful planet and all he can see is it getting destroyed. Absolute legend.
Loki’s Lil Butter Knife 3 years ago
Sir David Attenborough is truly a global treasure. He has done and continues to do so much amazing work to protect the environment and foster a love of the natural world.
DennyS (denzoren) 3 years ago
Sir David Attenborough is an amazing human being and deserves to live for centuries, however I feel like that would just be torture for him to see nature being exploited until it's extinction.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
The greed and need for power, part of our DNA, will eventually wipe out homosapiens within the next several generations. And we will not do anything to prevent it.
Lord Rimuru 3 years ago
He should be trusted more than anyone else, except the ones who also dedicate themselves to the planet
Alaina Bleakley 3 years ago
*Sir* David Attenborough you got to give that respect where it is due
Jill Bussey 2 years ago
I could listen to David Attenborough and his brother, Richard, (RIP) for hours. And hours.
#11
Corey Feldman was on the View or something and tried to tell people that Hollywood is full of predators, and the hosts just laughed at him and tried to make him feel guilty for outing them.
Ent Hugger 3 years ago
oh the Coreys... Hollywood did them dirty, kids never had a chance :( RIP Haim
Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago
And Brandon Fraser got blacklisted. Just like with Harvey Weinstein and female actors. He was assaulted by a man with power. So glad he’s back. He’s a helluv an actor.👏👏👏
Wonderful 3 years ago
Reminds me of the interview with hunter s. Thomson where he talked about trying to stop a biker from beating his biker girlfriend and hunter tried to make him stop and he ended up getting jumped and hospitalized. The interviewer brought that biker on stage and proceeded to laugh and make fun of hunter for trying to protect that dudeds girlfriend from getting beaten by her high and drunk boyfriend. The whole time the audience was just laughing and clapping while this biker guy talks about being a abuser and drug addict who beat up hunter and yada yada. It was disgusting. how a audience of mostly women just laughed along like beating women is hilarious and hospitalizing someone trying to protect her.
Barbara Vandewalle 3 years ago
Considering certain View members were friends with Weinstein, not surprising.
#12
Ahem. UK here. Repeated warnings from anyone and everyone that knew what they were talking about that Brexit was a bad idea, and "oh look" it's massively hurting in multiple areas, and a majority of people now think it was a bad idea.
Anyone-for-tea? 3 years ago
I understand why we had a referendum, but it should have only been used to gauge public opinion not as a decision tool. Very few of us are trained economists, fiscal advisors, and whoever would have a better understanding than Joe Public. It infuriates me that then referendum was almost 50/50 and here we are, in this mess that’s wasted millions of taxpayers’ money.
Kayjunmoon 3 years ago
In any other democratic country this would not have passed criteria to be a binding vote. Technically it was only ever advisory anyway, just the money grubbing Tories wanted to avoid new transparent tax legislation n
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2x4b523p 3 years ago
The news said that most googled term in United Kingdom AFTER the referendum was “what is the EU”. My colleague justified her leave vote by saying she wants to stop “p@kis” coming to live here. Excuse the language, those were her exact words and she was very surprised to learn that Pakistan is not, in fact, a member of EU. Just about shows you how many of the citizens were aware what are they voting about.
Sue From Michigan 3 years ago
As an American I didn't really understand Brexit ,but as soon as Trump praised it I knew it had to be a bad decision.
Auntriarch 3 years ago
Well Sue from Michigan, you made a much more logical and well informed decision than most British voters
Load More Replies... Emma S 3 years ago (edited)
I want to know where all the money that was promised to the NHS if we left the EU has gone? I'm a student nurse and can say from experience that the NHS is on it's knees. Six hour wait for an ambulance and then a further 18 hour wait in A+E when you get there. Poor staffing in basically every area, budget cuts galore, and the number of students applying to do nursing gets lower every year. Our healthcare used to be our crowning glory and the envy of most of the world. The Brexiteers wanted people to go back to their own country and guess what? They did. I voted remain, but I know people who voted leave because they genuinely believed that we'd have loads more money if we left.
Fraxinus excelsior 3 years ago
Emma, I'm still waiting for the huge sums of money promised for the NHS, then the majority of NHS staff wouldn't be having to go on strike. The majority of the voters believed the bull that Boris and Nigel spewed out.
Load More Replies... Pedantic Panda 3 years ago (edited)
But, but the blue passports! Surely it's all worth it for the blue passports? And the £350 million per week to the NHS!
Monika Rhodes 3 years ago
And no money for NHS and the passports are made in EU. Absolute joke.
Load More Replies... Steve Robert 3 years ago
Just because a majority supports something, it doesn't mean it's the right something. When over half the people are imbeciles, passing good policy becomes impossible. Brexit just proves the point.
Tjoori Vids 2 years ago
The majority of 2%? It was clear from the outset that there will be trouble. You cannot go an alienate half the country like that. Also, those Brits living in Europe were mostly not allowed to vote, and any EU citizens living in the UK were ALSO not allowed to vote. But Australians on a year out etc... they were allowed to vote, as were any commonwealth citizens.
Load More Replies... WonderWoman 3 years ago
Follow the money behind the move - it was an orchestrated movement to leave the EU - leaving every nation a little weaker - more vulnerable. Two nations benefit greatly from this.
No Name 3 years ago
2 nations and a whole lot of individual rich a-holes looking for a windfall by shorting an entire nation's economy.
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Andi 3 years ago
the vote was only offered to appease the right wing of the conservative vote who were moving towards UKIP - no great number but significant to the Tory party and its internal discipline. David Cameron promised a referendum to save his own neck - then jumped ship and took his massive PM pension with him.
LinkTheHylian 3 years ago
At least we have our blue passports and sovereignty. They pair well with our sturdy and unmatched government. Just wait until the NHS finally starts receiving that £350m a week. We're gonna cure cancer, develop real-life Star Trek tech that can heal a broken bone faster than they break, and we'll never see another innocent child lost to this growing wave of Strep A. Brexit has saved us all. /s
Rob D 3 years ago
American here, not that I'm rooting against other countries, but watching Brexit it was nice to know 50% of another's population could be irredeemably stupid too.
Richienotsorich 2 years ago (edited)
You could say the ~30% that didn't turn out are the stupid ones. But you're falling into the same pattern as the remain voters - don't actually listen to the leave voters but abuse them and call them names.
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Jason Salemi, epidemiologist at USF. No one knows him, that's cool. I was working on medical ML research (glioblastoma at the time) and was asked to help analyze some data about a new virus in China. In the middle of January we had a research meeting, and Dr. Salemi said, "I don't like this one, I have a *bad* feeling about SARS-NCOV" (as it was then called). On Feb 2020 I was put full time on the SARS-COV-2 team. The rest is history.
People thought he was being alarmist, we had recently been through a pair of Ebola outbreaks in Africa, couple of bad flu seasons, etc. People thought it would blow over.
Robert Stockdell 2 years ago
...Oh, and Covid-19 took the sight of my left eye, completely blind in my left eye and it's not coming back, except in the case of a miracle from God, our Heavenly Father!!!
Load More Replies... Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago (edited)
And ONA, the union for nurses in Ontario is suing the government because we kept saying it was also aerosol, not just droplet. It spread in the air just like an aerosol spray spreads all through a room. All we had to do was breathe and out it would come. Aerosol hangs in the air. How do you think it spread so fast? We’re wearing masks that are open at the sides and not tight fitting everywhere else. 6ft away.OK. But when all you have to do is breathe and it’s wafting out the side of your mask and hangs in the air… if you’re in the grocery store 6ft away from someone taking forever to find a spice and you need to find one too, and the person has a high viral load, but not sick yet, after they finally find the spice and you immediately move into the same space, the virus is hanging in the air and in it goes into your lungs every time you breathe. Part 2 below.
Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago (edited)
Part 2: Scott Gottleib, a big shot in virology finally admitted it on TV. “Of course we know now that it’s also aerosol, not just droplet.”, and very quickly moved on. My jaw dropped. They FINALLY admitted it. But let’s not dwell on that monumental mistake. A virologist who flatly maintained that there’s no way Covid is also aerosol is has now realized it and is our expert witness for the lawsuit. Those of us who worked through SARS ( I worked in a hospital that we had an entire dedicated unit with 20 beds, usually 4 patients in ICU on ventilators, and no one ever came off one alive, anywhere in the world) were sounding the alarm way way back in the beginning and no one listened. But then who are we? We’re just nurses. What do we know? And BTW, not generally talked about, but SARS did leave some people with lasting neurological effects. But, like we said. It was like we’re just nurses. What the he!! do we know🤬🤬🤬
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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago
Never EVER think an epidemiologist is being alarmist. I'd sooner be locked down and *not* face a pandemic than not lock down and... get this shi*storm.
Mark Karol-Chik 3 years ago
The lowest form of humanity 45 and his administration did everything to side step the truth which lead to so much turmoil in the USA.
Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago
That was just the wording the person used. Believe me, when you see the evidence mounting, like us nurses in Ontario did, there is a drop in your stomach and a sense of panic that is based on said evidence. It’s just his wording.
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Rick Rescorla, Director of Corporate Security for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, published a report in 1990 detailing the vulnerability of the World Trade Center parking garage. He and a colleague found they were able to freely walk into the garage, which contained many structural support columns, unchallenged by any security. Additionally no ID checks or screening was done on any of the entering delivery vehicles. Three years later a truck bomb was driven into the garage and detonated in an attempt to damage the buildings structure.
Later he and his same college would correctly predict the next attack on the building would come from the air. The evacuation plan and drills he put in place are credited with saving over 2,600 lives on September 11th.
Edited for a bit of clarity: Some are saying “but if he evacuated people, doesn’t that mean we listened?” Rick worked for one company in the building, not the Port Authority who managed the buildings overall safety plan. After the first plane crashed, the announcements from the Port Authority told everyone to shelter in place, and not evacuate. He had developed his own evacuation plan for his employees and put it place before any official word to evacuate the building was given.
Lisa H 3 years ago
I really hope you're talking about the Port Authority and not Rick Rescorla.
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Norma Luce 3 years ago
After getting his people out, Rick Rescoria and a colleague died in the collapse after returning to assist others who were trapped.
Amanda Lawshe 3 years ago
Even the people that called 911 were told by the operators to stay put and the fire department was on their way. To be fair, most that called probably didn’t have a way out anyway. But listening to the distress these people were in and hearing them told to stay where they are is heartbreaking.
Bluetoyou 3 years ago
Classroom Art teacher-BFA in Studio Art Multi Media. In Art History Classes at UT we were taught the basic history of architecture. Especially about the changes in building supports that led to structures that could support multiple stories. When the incidents started parents came and were pulling students right and left. We combined the Art and Music classes in the art room and showed videos. The Music teacher, myself, and a special ed teacher took turns going in the music room to watch the TV. I completely wigged when the first plane hit the towers. I knew it had taken out support columns and the building was going to come crashing down like an accordion and everyone in them would die. I was trying to figure out who to call. The phone lines were all overwhelmed with people trying to reach their loved ones. I tried and tried. Who would believe me? I knew to my core it would happen. I told the other teachers beforehand. Any Architect or Engineer should know this. Why the silence????
Alaina Bleakley 3 years ago
I never knew that people were told to remain in place that's messed up
#15
Pearl Jam warned us about Ticketmaster years ago. Nobody listened, now we're stuck with them...and only them.
Hotdogking 3 years ago
F**K YOU TICKETMASTER! We should’ve listened to Pearl Jam, now Ticketmaster is still Alive today. (I’ll show myself out)
Ent Hugger 3 years ago
and now that Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town can't go see them on her salary! so now she just sits on her Porch in her Corduroy dress with her Black cat named Jeremy wishing she could afford concert tickets! come on Ticketmaster... do Better Man! lol see what you started!!! ;)
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WonderWoman 3 years ago
Ticketmaster is the sole reason I stopped going to concerts (before Covid)
ZombieGirl 3 years ago
I've been hearing "Ticketmaster" a lot lately. Can someone kindly explain to me what happened? I tried Googling it but can't really find anything
Ann Mohrmann 3 years ago
I think they're like the only platform for buying concert tickets, basically. And they charge outrageous fees. They have a monopoly, essentially.
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It seems one of the ways to brings Ticket Master and organizations like it to their knees is to not buy the tickets. Unfortunately that will also hurt the musicians.+
Fraxinus excelsior 3 years ago
I remember going to the venues to buy concert tickets, an actual physical ticket, no barcode or qr code to show to security. Happy days.
RobotMonkeyGod 3 years ago (edited)
wait.....we're stuck with Pearl Jam and only Pearl Jam? but i like The Cure!
Steve Robert 3 years ago
Just stop attending these, and buy the music or video instead. Great that you want to watch something live, but at what cost?
#16
Alice Stewart - in 1958 discovered the link between x-ray of pregnant women and childhood cancer. She discovered that cancer mortality was around 40 per cent higher in the children who had been x-rayed in the womb. Her findings were considered unsound for another 25 years until after her formal retirement when they were reviewed due to her continuing to push the issue. It wasn't until the 1980's that x-ray of pregnant women stopped being commonplace.
Noltha 3 years ago (edited)
That's really strange. It was known radiation can harm tissues and cause cancer well before.
Lana Jig-maker 3 years ago
Is it just me, or are women less listened to...or takes a longer time to be heard?
Leanna Krys 3 years ago
ah, medical science for women and children...much like how infants were believed to not feel pain, or women with more 'invasive' procedures...
Tina Smith 3 years ago
I looked up Dr. Alice Stewart and x-rays as I was curious. Other sites had more details, but the following was the most succinct summation (source included at the end) and therefore fits in the space allowed for Bored Panda posts - "In 1953, she was the first person to demonstrate the link between X-rays during pregnancy and childhood disease. Dr. Stewart found that children whose mothers had had an abdominal X-ray to determine the position of their baby were nearly twice as likely to have cancer as other children. While her findings were initially met with outrage from doctors and the nuclear industry, they were later duplicated and the practice was discontinued by the 1970s. Physicians no longer X-ray pregnant people as a result of Dr. Stewart’s research." https://blogs.ohsu.edu/library/2021/08/17/alice-m-stewart-interviews/
Scott Rackley 3 years ago
Yeah, who would think introducing ionizing radiation into an extremely rapid growth of tissue would cause any problems
Princess Bride 3 years ago
Reminds me of one of the many time 'science' and 'medicine' have been completely wrong: it was assumed that stomach ulcers were the result of stress--i.e.'the A-type personality' Funny how it was then discovered not that long ago that bacteria are responsible for these.
Greta Kolding 3 years ago
I don't understand this one or rather, I don't think it is true. Whenever I have had an x-ray they have put a lead apron on me first. At least they did until I grew too old to bear children.
Auntriarch 3 years ago
The post is talking about X raying children in the womb.
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Nikola Tesla - there was a book he wrote(a pamphlet really) called [The Problem of Increasing Human Energy](https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Increasing-Human-Energy-Harnessing/dp/1605200956) where he talked about slowing down the process of burning carbon until we understood it better.
Joshua David 3 years ago
People cannot think outside the parameters of "me."
Load More Replies... Steve Robert 3 years ago
Tesla was a genius and we still don't understand everything he invented. Edison stole his inventions, and Musk stole his name.
Youcantunapianobutyoucan't 3 years ago
That's because Elon Musk's real name is Elongated Muskrat.
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#18
The guy who predicted the leevies would collapse in a strong hurricane. Category two or three. Not five as they predicted. He knew the tide surges would destroy New Orleans and predicted it down to one percent the deaths, damage, destruction and water damage. No one believed him, and he had computer simulations and print-outs he tried to show Congress and tried to tell them to prepare for the worst including tents for shelter. He was laughed at and later fired. Two years before Katrina.
Eric G 3 years ago
Who will it effect? Mostly black people? Yeah, we don't care then. Sincerely, the government.
Lupita Nyong'heaux 3 years ago
black people and poor people and especially poor black people...
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Steve Robert 3 years ago
Unfortunately, par for the course. When stupid people make bad decisions, it's the innocent that suffer the consequences.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Money for infrastructure repairs diverted to war. They knew what would happen, didn't care.
Julie 3 years ago
I'm not sure but there was a lot of studying of what happened when I was completing my sociology degree at ULL and I think I remember mention about someone from LSU who had simulated the destruction before it happened. There was likely more than one person studying these things here who came up with similar predictions.
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Lucy Shupe 2 years ago
Oh, yea and let’s not forget the aftermath, Republicans saying that New Orleans got what they deserved by being such a “wicked” city. Also for the same reason they didn’t want aid to go to New Orleans.
Barbara Vandewalle 3 years ago
It did not help the NO government used the money for dike maintenance but used the money for beautifying the town.
#19
Al Gore got an entire apology episode from the creators of South Park after they mocked him for trying to warn people about climate change
edit- [here's a clip from the episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j89KEwNBhQ4)
GettingCereal 3 years ago
I laughed my booty off when watching this, and also hats off to Parker and Stone for admitting so very poetically that they were wrong.
Lupita Nyong'heaux 3 years ago
that is one of my favorite episodes, my favorite being that time butters became a pimp. 🤣🤣🤣 "i'm cereal!"
Daffydillz' Cold Contagious 3 years ago
Aww, I know right. Butters is my favorite because he's the sweetest and his parents are absolute pieces of garbage.
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Nonbinary Reptile 3 years ago
Matt and Trey have stated the original Manbearpig episode is the only episode that they regret making because Al Gore was right.
Mark Karol-Chik 3 years ago
If the SCOTUS had not stopped the recount, Gore would have won the Presidency in 2000. And, the horrors of 9/11/01 most likely would not have happened.
Daniel Lewis 2 years ago
Do you have any idea how many of his predictions have come true? 0% his friends who have also made alarmist claims for the last 50 years, also 0% accuracy rate. Scientifically speaking we call claims that come up 0% as right over 50 years as BS
Marnie 3 years ago
Why would they think he was wrong? I mean, I first heard that global warming was a hypothesis in elementary school in the 70s and learned it was truly real in the 90s. There was no legitimate dispute even at that time. Al Gore did his thing at least 10 years after that, so why would they mock him?
#20
The MANY women who tried to speak out against Larry Nassar and had it get swept under the rug by USA gymnastics and Michigan State. And Dominique Moceanu who warned us about the Karolyis and the corruption in USA Gymnastics and was called a whiner by the maintstream media. Hundreds of girls were molested and there were so many places where it could have been stopped.
The Short Lady 3 years ago
You couldn't expect them to listen to women...just over emotional little girls. /s
WonderWoman 3 years ago
Same with Ohio State and Jim Jordan - and he got elected to Congress ::facepalm::
BetterBitterButter 3 years ago
I was shocked and disgusted by how many girls had to come forward for him to get punished!
Daffydillz' Cold Contagious 3 years ago
Nassar is nothing short of a monster. He would openly perform his abusive massages in front of these young girl's parents even, sneakily to some, and gaslighting others who questioned his methods. The fear, coercion, and exploitation that these young ladies suffered is horrifying. It's sad that it didn't cause more upset than it did.
#21
French general Ferdinand Foch reportedly called the Treaty of Versailles a “twenty-year armistice”, ie not conducive to lasting peace. WWII broke out approximately twenty years later.
Mr Red 3 years ago
Foch had better anticipated that his tactics would not work instead of loosing 200.000 soldiers in Somme-battle.
François Bouzigues 3 years ago
You are assuming WWI was not about deliberately reducing the population of males in age of fighting in the wealthiest countries of Europe to avoid popular marxists movements to get too much momentum...
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[Gary Webb](https://i.redd.it/ins1prnhy8x51.jpg). He found ties linking them (edit: the CIA) to the crack epidemic that wasted inner cities in the 90s, and "justified" the war on drugs, while also destabilizing the Nicaraguan government. He was basically raked over the coals for it, and wound up "committing suicide" with two bullets to the head.
No Name 3 years ago
Sure you can. If you miss the brainstem, you might live for several hours in agony, or even survive with horrible disability and disfigurement if the shot damages only one hemisphere or just the front cortex. My great aunt aimed straight up through her jaw, dropped the gun after firing, and either couldn't find it anymore or was partly paralyzed and couldn't grab it, so she was left to suffer for at least a couple hours before her husband with end stage Parkinson's found her. If she'd managed to hold onto the gun, she'd probably have finished herself off pretty fast.
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BenMaharaj 3 years ago
This guy was completely discredited but his “discovery” won’t die on the internet.
Erin S 3 years ago
Not only do you repeat a conspiracy theory, you also add an unnecessary apostrophe to a plural noun.
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Harry Marcopolos notified the SEC 3 times that whatever Bernie Madoff was doing wasn’t legit and should be investigated, and all 3 times he was ignored. He talks about it in his book *No One Would Listen*. Check it out if you want to see a real facepalm example of government incompetence.
Randolph Croft 3 years ago
Weaponized incompetence - acting clueless on purpose in order to prevent change or improvement to a system. Big Biz is never going to be held accountable. Only reason Madoff got charged with anything was because he stole from famous people.
Christof Irran 3 years ago
To be fair, the SEC's number one enemy is a Republican administration/Congress, and each was in place at the time. The SEC was stripped of funding because their over-sight of the markets ran contrary to right-wing policies.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
There are too many Madoffs pretending to be BP commentators on this site already
Danny rodreaming 2 years ago
And yet, people think it's a good idea to turn over our medical decisions to the government. And give up any self-defence to the government. Any government that wants to disarm it's people doesn't deserve to govern.
#24
John O'Neill.
He worked in the FBI as an anti-terrorist officer. After the car-bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, he remained convinced that Al Qaeda would try to finish the job. The FBI convinced itself that it was over, and O'Neill, who kept at the investigation, was passed over for promotions to the point he wound up quitting the FBI. They thought he was too obsessed with it.
He took a job managing security at the WTC and lost his life on September 11.
Great doco about him and the security failures he wanted to prevent here: [Frontline: The Man Who Knew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbXPqWGGQ5U).
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)
There are way too many blind eyes in our government. I worked for TSA from 2012-2017. By the time I quit, domestic terrorism was on the rise—-including attacks on TSA agents, one of whom was killed. However, every time an FBI agent came to give us a terrorism briefing, it was all about ISIS and suspected planned attacks everywhere else but the US. I asked several times about domestic terrorists, and told them all that I was less worried about terrorists who had to cross countries and oceans to get here and carry out terrorist attacks than I was about terrorists who just had to drive up the street to carry out theirs. Every damned time I got the “deer in the headlights” look from the agent. Same with the people sent by TSA to brief and train us on what to do about active shooters and terrorists. Even after that agent was killed. F*****g purposeful blindness toward a real—-local—-threat.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Richard Carroll Smith (Saberpen) was Army intel during Vietnam, wrote and lectured about terrorists coming across borders. His warnings not heeded. Finally put them in novel form: Terrorists Crossing. His first book, Orphaned Heroes, was about service in Vietnam. It saved my best friend's life... seemed they served in same combat areas. Helped him open up and confront the horrors witnessed.
RedCorvette 3 years ago
The Looming Tower is a great series on 911. John O’Neil was played by Jeff Daniels.
Michael Largey 3 years ago
Mitigating factor : This guy looks much, much, much too like Richard Nixon to be automatically believed.
#25
Johnny rotten attempting to warn people about Jimmy Saville
Lara Verne 3 years ago
He was banned from BBC after that. What is scary, he wasn't first nor last who spoke against Saville, but truth only came out after Saville died.
liam newton-harding 3 years ago
Jimmy Saville was a prolific, horrible pedophile. There are also accounts he also assaulted young people live on camera, when presenting. He was also a necrophiliac. He got away with this, for decades...for decades...and the people in charge knew, and did nothing.
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#26
12 TRW Engineers resigned their positions the morning of the Challenger incident in protest against risking the flight. NASA launched anyway. Should have listened.
Sar ska 3 years ago (edited)
Reading about the Challenger always gives me extra chills because it reminds me of when a teacher I once had told me a story about the Columbia (another NASA flight that exploded). Before he retired to work as a teacher, he was a fighter pilot and worked in aviation in various ways. When the Columbia exploded he was in a position to hear communications between Houston and the Columbia. I don’t remember what subject material I learned in class that day, but I’ll never forget hearing that the coms “didn’t actually go out before the disintegration happened and the crew didn’t die immediately either. In fact, both the coms and crew members were alive as the “disintegration” occurred for far longer than any person would ever be comfortable knowing. You’ll never hear those recordings, though. The ones from when they were falling. They’ll never be released.”
Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago
I was working at the time and came into the nurse’s lounge and saw it on TV. Being the space program buff that I am from when I was a child and John Glenn made his flight, I told the other nurse “OMG! They’re burning up on re entry!!”. I was sick to my stomach because I am very aware of the sequence of events that would be happening in the shuttle compartment. Horrified. It took me back to the horror of what happened to Apollo 1. Guss Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White all burned to death in the capsule while it was in test phase on the ground. They finally released the recordings made during those last minutes. I wish I had never heard it.
Load More Replies... Captain Panda 3 years ago
I watched it live on TV, I was 7. It was horrible and we all understood what happened
Leslie Donsen 3 years ago
I watched it from my driveway. I was that close. The Y cloud did fade away either. It stayed in that position all day. Not normal in the slightest.
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Jessica Bertram 3 years ago
i was 8. third grade. yes. it was awful. I'll never forget it
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While not to the degree that it ended up being but Eddie Murphy took a shot at Bill Cosby's holier than thou attitude in his comedy special Raw in 1987 during the height of The Cosby Show.
UKGrandad 3 years ago
Hilarious routine by Murphy. He says that Cosby rang to lecture him on the amount of swearing in his act, so Murphy rang Richard Pryor for advice. Pryor asks him 'When you swear, does the audience laugh"? "Yes", replied Murphy. "And does anybody else complain"? "No", said Murphy. "Well then", says Pryor, "ring Cosby back and tell him to have a Coke and a smile and to shut the f##k up".
Scott Crowe 3 years ago
"......Yoouuu cannot say filth flarn filth flarn filth in front of people....!"
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Spooky Scary Skeletons 3 years ago
I remember that glorious moment. Called Bill a "Jello Pudding-eatin' MFer". Totally took the wind out of Bill's fake "family values" facade.
#28
They were building a big baseball stadium in Wisconsin and it was a considerably windy day. The crane operator was tasked with lifting a large structure but refused stating dangerous gusts. The site foreman dismissed the crane operator and called in one who would do the job with no pushback. Well the crane tipped over with a load and workers were killed. Foreman and second operator were arrested, and iirc the first operator won a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Temporary Dork 3 years ago
And the people who pressured the site foreman into prioritizing time over safety were not legally responsible, probably.
#29
About 20 something years ago, I read articles in CBC about Eve teasing in India which was basically men groping women and how it would turn into outright gang rapes if the practice continued to be accepted.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago
Disgusting misogynistic refusal to take heed that a practice that was bad enough in itself would only get worse if the perpetrators were continually allowed to get away with it.
Celtic Pirate Queen 3 years ago
I keep asking how men can treat women this way. Do NONE of them love their Mothers?
#30
H G Wells said he wanted his epitaph to be "I told you so. You damned fools!"
In The Land Ironclads (1903) he had written about a stalemated war fought by trench warfare that was broken by the invention of tanks, predicting what would happen in WW1.
In The War in the Air (1907) he predicted how airplanes would be used in war, including aerial bombardment of cities, and saw his predictions come true in WW2.
Completely Hatstand 3 years ago
In "The Sleeper Awakens" he predicted dogfights before the invention of the aeroplane.
Timmy Pillinger 3 years ago
Frankly the sleeper waits is terrifyingly accurate
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RajunCajun 3 years ago
I read a really good paper on the possibility of Wells being some what of a prophet like Nostradamus because of so many predictions in his stories coming true.
Phil Green 3 years ago
Watch the film "Things To Come". It is H. G. Wells at his finest. It's a remarkable film.
crowspectre (he/they) 3 years ago
Copied from someone else who wanted to reply to you but couldnt; (bibmibap) Maybe because people can have interesting ideas, create great art, and still be horrible people? Idk, but antisemitism is pretty foul
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Ian Webling 3 years ago
Fun factoid (paraphrased for brevity). After WWI, a military theory was proposed by Italian General Giulio Douhet that future wars would be won by nations with the biggest bomber fleets. Most major powers accepted this. In the 1930s, the British government ordered the aviation authorities to build 5000 bombers. After the 1935 National Election, the Conservatives remained in power, albeit with a reduced majority. One of their acts was to reduce the military budget by a billion pounds - but they still wanted 5000 aircraft. Someone noticed that they had not specified bombers (which cost about £110,000 each), so they focussed on building fighters (about £25,000 each), thus going against perceived military strategy. Five years later, when facing Luftwaffe bombers (who had got the Douhet memo), Britain had very few bombers but a lot of fighters.
Bibmibap 3 years ago
I wish I could reply to David H, I'm not sure why he got downvoted. Maybe because people can have interesting ideas, create great art, and still be horrible people? Idk, but antisemitism is pretty foul
crowspectre (he/they) 3 years ago
They're upvoted again! I copypasted your comment to reply to them and credited you, but if you want to say it yourself now's the time
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Seth Macfarlene has made fun of sleazy people in Hollywood for years before the Me Too movement. “Help I just escaped Kevin’s Spacey’s house” says Stewie running naked through a crowd of people.
Groundcontroltomajortom 3 years ago
Sometimes rumours are just that, rumours, and then sometimes they turn out to be true...
mulk 3 years ago (edited)
WARNING: Big controversial point of view here - Kevin Spacey was never judged guilty until now (December 2022). Don't get me wrong on this point: I think he is guilty, and paying the plaintiff to do him removing his complaint when you have money, is a bad statu-quo.... but, the Justice is Justice: nobody is guilty until guilt is proven. And I think the USA (not only) justice system is f**ked up and upside-down: you are stated guilty, and you must prove your innocence, especially when "fame" is on the table. Too many people are falsely in jail waiting for their judgement because of this.
Dan Bexell 3 years ago
No problem there, just get rich and famous, or become a politician.
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George Carlin was basically a prophet about a lot of which he says
Geoffrey Scott 3 years ago
No, he had what SO many lack...common sense. Long range vision based on where current events would end up. If that seems prophetic to you, I agree.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Carlin. Amazing. He helped mould my opinion on politics beginning with the Vietnam War. He urged us to look beyond the Rah! Rah! patriotic slogans of government and media. So, I did. LBJ was a SOB, a gangster with his own cartel. Contracts awarded to his wife's family, his best friends and supporters. Danged if Bush Junior didn't follow in his steps.
#33
the financial crisis that was given by economist Anna Schwartz in 2005. She warned that a housing bubble was developing and that it would lead to a financial crisis, but her warnings were largely ignored.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago
Of course the a******s would ignore all common sense warnings when they’re raking in the bucks left and right. I was working in real estate accounting in the nineties. I overheard so many realtors telling customers that yes, the price of the house is high, but the interest rate on your mortgage is so low that your payment would be the same as it would if the house was less expansive but the interest rate was higher. That was their main selling point. Made zero sense to me then, because regardless of the interest rate, the amount of the loan was overinflated to nearly twice the actual value of the home—-which was the REAL issue. It’s how people ended up “upside down” on their mortgages. They owed way more than their home s were actually worth!
Temporary Dork 3 years ago
It's not easy to establish the actual value of a house.
Load More Replies... WonderWoman 3 years ago
We are headed for it again, history is doomed to repeat itself if we fail to learn from it.
Scott Crowe 3 years ago
I saw it coming when all these s****y apartment complexes were repainting and re-carpeting their units and trying to sell them as "condos" for over $200k each in parts of town I wouldn't even send my worst enemy to.
Pedantic Panda 3 years ago
People in power are happy to ignore warnings as long as the money keeps coming in.
Jill Bussey 2 years ago
100% mortgages never made sense to me. Too risky, but they were made to be attractive to first time buyers.
Christof Irran 3 years ago
"...but her warnings were largely ignored." The operative word here is 'largely' because a sizeable part of the population did not ignore her or else didn't need her warning in the first place. There were some pretty persuasive indicators, one of which made me dump my Seattle condo, in 2004, while I was ahead. (My apologies if this comment seems too self-congratulatory.)
Temporary Dork 3 years ago
Next default, next apparently we fragmentized these mortgages into incomprehensible tiny time bombs inside portfolios of loans with real value, next banks collapse, next financial crisis, next quantitative easing, next bubble, next bubble deflation << you are here.
Load More Replies... Geoffrey Scott 3 years ago
The stunning prediction by Brooksley Born (?). That freer money lending(you want a house, you got one), borrowing against rising equity, and the "money men" in Clinton's cabinet and subsequent admins were going to cause BIG problems down the road. They disgraced the woman. I believe it was a Frontline piece. She was like a prophet.
#34
Cassandra of Troy was pretty spot on about that wooden horse
Thomas Bentley 3 years ago
with an accurate mythological response, zeus gave her the power of prophecy, but made it so no one would listen to her. mythologies tend to be a lot more progressive than we give them credit for.
Load More Replies... Cyber Returns 3 years ago
Cassandra: I don't know. We were at war and then suddenly this great big wooden horse appears at the gate. I mean not to sound suspicious but it was after quite a few days of hammering and sawing sounds... and didn't any wonder where all the local trees went and where the enemy army has disappeared to? No?
#35
[Li Wenliang](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang), a Chinese doctor who tried to warn people through his private social media about Covid-19 in December 30 2019. Was summoned by the police in China for ‘spreading disinformation.’ [The Chinese government had been the first Covid deniers](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/a-timeline-of-chinas-response-in-the-first-days-of-covid-19/)during the virus’s earliest stage and contributed greatly to the global pandemic. Li died of Covid in Wuhan on February 7th 2020.
Ricardo Ferreira 3 years ago
Back in 2020, some people that I knew (but don't anymore, thang God) called me racist, bigot etc. when I sustained that Covid-19 begun in China and specially that their government tried to cover it.
#36
Climate activists have been warning us for quite some time, and I think we as a collective will be looked down on from future generations for not doing enough. Just a thought.
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
The common people can only do so much individually :( I hope future generations understand that it’s the incredibly wealthy and their corporations who are the biggest part of the problem. But they should have done something by now. We’ve been trying - but so many humans are against any kind of improvement to help our home environment for some inexplicable reason. How can we as a collective couple of generations really change everything? We can barely agree on wearing a piece of light breathable cloth on our faces only in public areas to slow the transmission of possible-viral-containing moisture droplets from our lungs and mouths - some people literally call that a “inhumane disgusting violation of their human rights” 🙄 if we can’t convince humans to care about other humans, how do we convince them to care about the environment?
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
Money talks way too loudly and interrupts every conversation. We can’t even get a word in edgewise anymore.
Load More Replies... WonderWoman 3 years ago
Corporations don't want to change the way they do things because it will eat into their profits. Corporations OWN the governments. Here we are.
Virgil Blue 3 years ago
Not saying its all religious people, but I've met quite a few who believe God gave the earth to us to use up and they expect the end times a.s.a.p. now it looks like it's breaking down. They also seem weirdly happy about it. Some think they will be given safe front row seats to watch it all go down as well. Can't imagine why anyone would want that. Let's just say that's not the mindset that helps anything.
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
To be honest, climate change activists could have done more to fix the problem rather than cause more problems. Block the road? People end up taking longer routes to get to their destinations. What they should have done is found and produced better, cleaner ways of getting around and making things. How about improving the batteries on electric cars to travel further and charge faster? How about a more efficient filter on factory chimneys to clean out the emissions? How about researching those batteries that are made out of nuclear waste and last for 24000 years? Nope, let's sit in a busy road and get piles while blocking traffic causing people to get angry and not notice it's about climate change because they are too busy working out where to hide the bodies after running the protestors over
Sar ska 3 years ago (edited)
Not just climate, environmental pollution in general is insane. Just watching people fish oceans and tributaries and then having to separate people’s potato chip bags and soda bottles from the sea creatures and sea weed is so disgusting. And I’ll never forget when I signed up to volunteer for a “beach sweep” and to clean up a local lake. SO much garbage from one small area of public beach. And I still remember my utter confusion at pulling *numerous* used tires from the shallows of the lakebed.— ugh.
Lord Rimuru 3 years ago
As a future generation, I am always looking down on everyone for not doing enough. It's our future at risk and I don't want to live in a horrible world
Steve Robert 3 years ago
That's assuming that there are future generations, and right now that is not a given.
tinu o 3 years ago (edited)
There have been hundreds of climate activists that have brought attention to this issue rationally for years now and they have been ignored and made fun of, all it takes is for soup to be thrown at a painting to get people's attention, even after that majority of people still don't care. They just use the situation to say the same thing "I just don't like the way they are doing it." I am not condoning the soup throwing, I am just saying there are climate activists out there that advocate for real changes too, don't just focus on the attention-seekers.
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Lyone Fein 3 years ago
Legislation that requires all single use packaging or consumer products be either 100% compostable or easily recycled. Crippling fines for corporations that pollute, with no statutes of limitations. Government grants to individuals for installing solar collectors on private residences. And most importantly: fertility limitation programs for all nations aimed at reducing the global human population by 50% in the next 50 years.
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#37
Dwight Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex during his [farewell address](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address): "A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be might, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. . . . American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. . . . This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. . . .Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. . . . In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
I love you Americans but your country scares the f out of me. (Please don’t downvote me)
#38
The guy in the viral video who said “leave Brittany alone”
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago
Cara Cunningham (at the time of the Britney video, named Chris Crocker).
crowspectre (he/they) 3 years ago
Is this trans rep that I'm sensing (sorry completely off topic but I'm trans and I always go wild when i realise that I'm not ac4ually the only trans person who exists)
Load More Replies... Cyber Returns 3 years ago
I have to admit that even though I didn't ridicule him, I believed he was mentally unstable. I actually pitied him
3 Owls In A Coat 3 years ago (edited)
Not everyone is good at spelling names that have multiple correct spellings, and some like my brother are dyslexic and do their best 🧡 the less unnecessary judgement this world has, the better imo
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Gary Webb told everyone that the CIA was responsible for the crack epidemic in the US. He got his name smeared and was hounded into suicide (or "suicide" depending how conspiratorial you want to get). He was also right.
#40
In college, this was in like ‘92. Me and my Muslim roommate were watching something on tv about Osama Bin Laden. And he said, “this guy is determined to accomplish an attack on American soil. And it’s going to happen in the next 10 years.” At the time, I thought he was crazy. “That would be a death sentence for anyone.” I told him I’d give him all the money in my bank account if that ever happened. I was so sure. Yeah, we all should’ve been listening to the warning signs back then.
BetterBitterButter 3 years ago
Why was there anything about him in 1992? Was he famous in his country or for something? I seriously don't know.
Busy Panda 3 years ago (edited)
I grew up in a Moslem majority country. There are a lot of extremists whose names are not known by people in general, but are highly respected leaders in their circles. Those people are living unassuming lives, being good husbands, good neighbors, good corporate employees, good university students, etc. Unlike the leaders of far right movement in the US, these people are not attention seekers, but far more deadly and effective in their operations. Let me just say this: if these people organized and lead the Jan 6 insurrection, they wouldn't fail and certainly wouldn't become national jokes like those far right movement leaders.
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#41
Courtney Love tried to warn people about Harvey Weinstein. Johnny Rotten tried to warn people about Jimmy Saville.
#42
Harry Markopolos. He figured out what Madoff was up to, and the SEC still blew him off for *years*, presumably because the proof he was presenting required math to understand.
#43
My mother. Of course she warned the 18 yr old me about the scum bags I had as friends were going to hurt me one day. Did I listen? No. I was just soo frightend of being alone friendless I didn’t listen. Then I got hurt badly.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)
I’m sorry that happened to you. Hope you dumped the scumbags and are way better off now.
SerumSeven 3 years ago
I love how people like you and Miss Frankfurter make comments like this. Those people may never see them, but it still creates such a fantastic vibe of caring.
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#44
Edward R. Murrow warned us about the dangers of the television medium being used mainly for entertainment and how this would lead to an ill informed population.
Nicole Weymann 3 years ago
New media are always blamed for luring people away from the path of truth/wisdom. Way back the printing press made words cheap, books a source of entertainment, and clerical intellectuals moan about losing their teaching privileges, after TV it was /is computers (>video games) and the internet. People inform/misinform themselves according to their interests and means, both intellectual and source-wise (there's no teaching those who won't/can't understand).
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#45
[Turkish Airlines flight 981](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Airlines_Flight_981) would never have happened if McDonnell Douglas and Convair had heeded [Dan Applegate's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Applegate) warning about the cargo doors coming open during flight. He wrote a memo after the nonfatal [American Airlines flight 96](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96) advising that the doors had design flaws which would cause them to show as properly latched even when they weren't. If nothing were done, he said it would lead to catastrophic failure that would likely result in the loss of the plane. However, the fixes would be expensive and no one agreed who would eat the cost, so proper upgrades were put off. Instead, they tried implementing cheaper band-aid solutions that would ultimately prove ineffective.
#46
Bismarck warned the ruling German monarch of his time that Germany's status in Europe and the relative peace of the continent would last for only a short time. After his forced resignation, Bismarck said: "Jena came twenty years after the death of Frederick the Great; the crash will come twenty years after my departure if things go on like this". Twenty years later, Germany loses WWI and almost collapses.
UKGrandad 3 years ago
Wilhelm II, the German Emperor (and King of Prussia) during WWI, and King George V, the reigning British monarch at the time, were first cousins, both being grandsons of the late Queen Victoria. It was reported that early in the war Wilhelm thought it all a great adventure, writing to another cousin that 'If grandmother were still alive she would never have allowed me to do this', the 'this' in question being going to war with Britain.
JoyfulZebra 3 years ago (edited)
If I remember correctly, didn't also said something about the Balkans causing the next great war?
#47
I cannot find the clip but about a year ago at a crypto conference a guy went on stage and publicly said that FTX was a huge fraud and we would all "see".
#48
Billy Mitchell. He predicted a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in the 1920s, and warned the Navy that they needed to spend more money on air defenses and less on ships.
#49
John Kenneth Galbraith. I haven't read his book "The Affluent Society", but from what I've heard some of the warnings laid out about the direction of US society were largely on point and still relevant today. He forshadows the environment movement, the culture around frivolous consumption, and argues that there is a severe lack of investment in people. Bare in mind this was back in the late 50s.
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)
Hard to warn people about impending doom when they’re safe and living so well right now. We need to be better about long term planning, including planning for unforeseen negative circumstances.
#50
Sinèad O’Connor. Then we called her crazy and mocked her for 2 decades.
MrsWelton 3 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin%C3%A9ad_O%27Connor#Saturday_Night_Live_performance
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Mitt Romney warned that Russia was the enemy of peace. He was laughed at by both (R)s and (D)s.
WonderWoman 3 years ago
And yet, time after time, good ole Mitt votes with those who are in bed with the Russians - his political party. Mitt isn't a do-gooder, he is an opportunistic greedy sob.
Michael Largey 3 years ago
Someone asked me in 2012 why I wasn't voting for Romney. I said, "I watched every single episode of "Gilligan's Island', and I never saw anything there that made me think that Thurston Howell would be a good president."
Load More Replies... UKGrandad 3 years ago
Not since Stalin's rise to power, no. Anybody who thought things would improve with the fall of the Soviet Union was deluded.
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It happens all the time.
It's happening now. In the UK we have a serial rapist and paedophile, TV and radio presenter called Jimmy Saville who was protected by his (admittedly) great charity work but it was all just to divert attention away from his decades long abuse. Lots of people complained and they were all ridiculed, abused or ignored. Institutionally. The media loved him. TV and radio loved him. He was a one man band for children's TV with a load of shows and specials.
He was a national institution.
He died and it all came out. People crawled out of the woodwork to vilify him (mostly ex-friends or colleagues) but nobody went back to the whistleblowers to admit that they were right after all.
See Also Weinstien
Remember, people will always forgive your for being wrong long before they forgive you for being correct.
Edit: Typo
Susie Elle 3 years ago (edited)
There is or was a documentary on Saville on Netflix I believe, bizarre story.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Aye. Those children's hospitals gave him victims by the dozens.
Load More Replies... Jill Bussey 2 years ago
Despite all the evidence, he was still given a knighthood and died with it still in place.
WonderWoman 3 years ago
Powerful people are most often also corrupt predators, but people want something from them so they keep their mouths shut and their eyes averted.
#54
Every single junior officer working in Afghanistan for the last 20 years who universally called the ANA a worthless POS army and their government a hallow, dead money pit.
Untethered Universe 3 years ago
The Afghan men deserve nothing but scorn for the way they delivered their wives and daughters to the horrific ways of the Taliban. Without a fight, they just surrendered. Cowards! They should take a leaf out of the Ukraine book, who are still standing against an enemy that -supposedly- 10x stronger than they are.
Niki A 3 years ago
They don't call it the graveyard of empires for no reason. They probably thought anything was better than a brutal death.
Load More Replies... Miss Frankfurter 3 years ago
They were joining because it was a “job”. No sense of defending their country. There were some who actually were into doing that, but obviously did not succeed. Also, the US government wasn’t exactly keeping track of what was being done with the billions. It should have been “Show us what you did with the money”. You’re building a road? Ok. Let’s go out and see the work being done. You’re doing this? Let’s go out to see it. You’re doing that? Let’s go see. And BTW. We’re giving you the money, we’re doing the books together. Note: I believe Ukraine and President Zalinskyy are trustworthy because they really do want to save their country. And I believe we are giving them pretty much arms to fight with.
Michael Largey 3 years ago
I suspect that the enlisted men knew this much, much better. They always do.
#55
The CIA. "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of U.S. aircraft." [Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US#:~:text=Bin%20Ladin%20Determined%20To%20Strike%20in%20US%20was%20the%20title,Monday%2C%20August%206%2C%202001.)
Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago
They ignored it when it could’ve prevented the problem, but now can’t seem to let go of it, even though the greater threat in the US is from our own homegrown terrorists who only have to drive up the road, not cross continents and oceans, to carry out their activities.
Sar ska 3 years ago (edited)
If anyone is actually curious about how this fit in the grand scheme of things and wants a more reliable source than wikipedia, you can refer to the CIA’s 9/11 commission report: Around page 260-263 :: (https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/0B/0B72A302B86EECAD443BBCDCDC76A5B1_911Report.pdf)
#56
"To secede from the Union and set up another government would cause war. If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. It will take the flower of the country — the young men." -- Sam Houston, who fought vigorously against secession, and as governor of Texas at the time, was thrown out of office, and another pro-Confederate governor was installed by the legislature in 1861. "Fellow-Citizens, in the name of your rights and liberties, which I believe have been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the nationality of Texas, which has been betrayed by the Convention, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of the Constitution of Texas, I refuse to take this oath. In the name of my own conscience and manhood, which this Convention would degrade by dragging me before it, to pander to the malice of my enemies, I refuse to take this oath. I deny the power of this Convention to speak for Texas. ... I protest. ... against all the acts and doings of this convention and I declare them null and void." He was a very conflicted person, with some of the highest highs in American history, while at other times dredging up some of the lowest lows, usually entirely due to his own failings and weaknesses. Saint and sinner all in one.
SerumSeven 3 years ago
There's not a single shred of the "saint" aspect in the MAGA movement.
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TLC warned us about chasing waterfalls but based on my instagram feed I swear it’s fallen on deaf ears
#58
Every US President from Regan forward advised Europe against building pipelines to Russia and becoming dependent on Russian gas and oil. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/climate/europe-russia-gas-reagan.html
DC 3 years ago
Even we europeans didn't agree entirely with that - but we were called "cold warriors", lectured about the cold war being over and Putin being reliable, while he was, on broad daylight, breaking contracts and assignments whenever he saw fit. We knew, we didn't care, and now, even now, the stubborn still defend him and blame Ukraine and "The West".
Cyber Returns 3 years ago
The UK has around 50 years of fuel ready to be claimed in the North Sea, but no longer has the means or manpower to get it
#59
Lots of experts warned about the FTX fraud. The writing was on the wall. Idiots chose to ignore the red flags and made huge investments. Common people was lured in by the perceived trust.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
When you get your financial advice from actors and professional athletes, what do you expect to happen
#60
Carl Sagan. In his book 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark', published in 1995, he wrote; "I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance" He knew and no one really listened.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
Telling us twice still won't change people's minds ( or lack of one).
#61
Bill Hicks warned us about Bush Jr and the war in the middle east. Then he died shortly after.. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex taking over politics and we didn't listen. Now military and mega corporations have completely taken over every aspect of politics.
Geoffrey Scott 3 years ago
My niece railed against the Government. I politely pointed out corporate america has no constitution, nor bill of rights, only return for "shareholders" and we have the best government money can buy.
Steve Robert 3 years ago
And the Supreme Court calling corporations "people" put the final nail in the coffin.
#62
President Eisenhower warned the United States about the dangers of the military-industrial complex as he was leaving office. We didn't listen. https://youtu.be/Gg-jvHynP9Y Edit: u/destro23 made mention of this in an earlier comment that I missed. Give that comment the upvotes not mine (there are quotations there too!)
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Old Roadie 3 years ago
Martha Mitchell. She was called crazy, warning us of President Nixon's illegal activities. She was assaulted, injected with some unknown substance, and very quickly died of cancer. She did not believe it to be an accident. There would be no Watergate Papers without this brave woman.
Groundcontroltomajortom 3 years ago
Watch the documentary hypernomalisation, big eye opener for a lot of this stuff....
Debbie 3 years ago
From wikipedia: "HyperNormalisation is a 2016 BBC documentary by British filmmaker Adam Curtis. It argues that governments, financiers, and technological utopians have, since the 1970s, given up on the complex "real world" and built a simpler "fake world" run by corporations and kept stable by politicians. The film was released on 16 October 2016 on BBC iPlayer." Thanks for the recommendation, it looks interesting.
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Icecream Sarang 3 years ago
In 1925, Brigadier General William Mitchell wrote a book describing how Japan might attack Hawaii in an aerial strike, after repeatedly warning American Assets on Hawaii were vulnerable to air strikes from the Pacific Rim.
gerard julien 3 years ago
People Warned The World About Something But No One Listened : " France knew of and told CIA about al-Qaeda hijack plans prior to 9/11 : Reports produced by the French secret services reveal that they knew that al-Qaeda was planning attacks on the United States at least eight months before the 9/11 attacks and that the attack was going to involve U.S. jetliners, the French newspaper Le Monde reports. Le Monde also says one of the reports was handed to Bill Murray, a CIA agent working at the Paris station at the time, but no record of that handover has been released in the U.S. governments 9/11 commission report in 2004. "
Barbara Vandewalle 3 years ago
To many high ups in the US government cannot have it known they ignored the warnings.
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Tardis42 3 years ago
Lots of people say lots of things all the time. Sometime they're ignored and nothing happens because they were wrong. Sometimes they're listened to and they were right and terrible things are averted. Sometimes they're listened to and they were wrong and there's a tremendous waste of time, energy, money, manpower, etc. And sometimes they're ignored and terrible things happened because they were right.
Old Roadie 3 years ago
Martha Mitchell. She was called crazy, warning us of President Nixon's illegal activities. She was assaulted, injected with some unknown substance, and very quickly died of cancer. She did not believe it to be an accident. There would be no Watergate Papers without this brave woman.
Groundcontroltomajortom 3 years ago
Watch the documentary hypernomalisation, big eye opener for a lot of this stuff....
Debbie 3 years ago
From wikipedia: "HyperNormalisation is a 2016 BBC documentary by British filmmaker Adam Curtis. It argues that governments, financiers, and technological utopians have, since the 1970s, given up on the complex "real world" and built a simpler "fake world" run by corporations and kept stable by politicians. The film was released on 16 October 2016 on BBC iPlayer." Thanks for the recommendation, it looks interesting.
Load More Replies... Icecream Sarang 3 years ago
In 1925, Brigadier General William Mitchell wrote a book describing how Japan might attack Hawaii in an aerial strike, after repeatedly warning American Assets on Hawaii were vulnerable to air strikes from the Pacific Rim.
gerard julien 3 years ago
People Warned The World About Something But No One Listened : " France knew of and told CIA about al-Qaeda hijack plans prior to 9/11 : Reports produced by the French secret services reveal that they knew that al-Qaeda was planning attacks on the United States at least eight months before the 9/11 attacks and that the attack was going to involve U.S. jetliners, the French newspaper Le Monde reports. Le Monde also says one of the reports was handed to Bill Murray, a CIA agent working at the Paris station at the time, but no record of that handover has been released in the U.S. governments 9/11 commission report in 2004. "
Barbara Vandewalle 3 years ago
To many high ups in the US government cannot have it known they ignored the warnings.
Load More Replies... Tardis42 3 years ago
Lots of people say lots of things all the time. Sometime they're ignored and nothing happens because they were wrong. Sometimes they're listened to and they were right and terrible things are averted. Sometimes they're listened to and they were wrong and there's a tremendous waste of time, energy, money, manpower, etc. And sometimes they're ignored and terrible things happened because they were right.
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