This Thread Has Teachers Revealing How Kids Have Changed Over The Years, And Here Are 45 Interesting Responses
Teaching is one of the most important (and often thankless!) jobs in our society. Each day, educators set out to mold young minds and guide them into becoming knowledgeable and rounded citizens. From droves of screaming first-graders to packs of hormone-addled teens, they go above and beyond to help these little daredevils discover their identities, passions, and talents. So it’s unsurprising that by doing so, they amass troves of observations about the changes that occur in these chaotic classrooms.
"What's the difference between the kids then vs. the kids now?" wondered user AlBen97 when they reached out to teachers of 'Ask Reddit' who boast over 20 years of experience. The thread immediately became a hit, inviting professionals to share their illuminating insights.
Whether it's new challenges educators face today or changes (both lovely and not) in kids’ behavior, we have gathered some of the most notable shifts in students across the years. So continue scrolling to enjoy these examples, and be sure to let us know what you think of them in the comments! Then if you’re interested in even more illuminating teacher tales, check out our earlier piece on the same topic right over here.
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I’ve only been a teacher for a few years, but one very positive difference that I’ve noticed from when I was in school, is that the kids are a lot more understanding towards neuropsychiatric disorders than we were. When I was in school, kids with dyslexia were sometimes called “retards”, and kids with adhd were social outcasts.
My students on the other hand are super supportive and cool with their peers’ different disorders. No one ever questions when we accommodate the classroom for certain students, and everyone patiently helps out when they have to work with students with special needs. Very cool!
Totally agree. They are also much more cool with any kind of diversity (skin color, sexual orientation, etc.). During my time "you're gay" was a very common invective. I don't know if i've even heard my students say it once. Edit: scrolling down I realized it's in the next post. And I'm really glad it seems to be a universal thing now, not just in my country.
So glad to hear this. I grew in a small town years ago and there was only man or woman as far as gender was concerned. A classmate in HS was most likely gay but we just thought he was odd. I remember laughing with other kids when some 'cool' kids made fun of him, not because I was a bad person, I just wanted to fit in, and as a generation we genuinely didn't know better. Education is the key.
Load More Replies...School used to be brutal for those with learning disorders and mental disabilities. Even the teachers would get on board with the teasing and shaming. If you were slow you got left behind and given more homework to do. If you got lucky you would get a teacher that just taught in a way that made you get it. In order to get a teacher's aide to help you, you had to have had a very severe disability. Although there's been a big improvement some teachers today are still ignorant about accommodating students. My daughter gets bad sensory overload. She can't handle crowds and a lot noise, and chaos. She told the teachers she didn't want to attend spirit week events in the gym. The teachers made her go to just "try it out". They stood in front of the door when she told them she wanted to leave. When everyone started cheering and loud music came on she forcibly pushed past them and ran down the hall having a full on panic attack.
First thing on the interwebs read today and so glad it is positive. However, my cat is angry she didn't get tuna this morning, so I have that dealio to make up for.
My god! How could you have done that to her?
Load More Replies...pfft, our grade was going into a naw school during covid, so everyone sucks and are bullies and difficult. oh the south
That's such a good thing, when I started school in the 80's anyone with any such conditions would be called not very nice names.
I taught and coached for 35 years and kids didn't change at all. Parenting, however . . .
25-year teacher here- Yes, definitely the case. And the few kids who DO use labels are seen as outliers for the most part
Kids today are more accepting. A decade ago, students who are gay or bi would hide it. Now, even in middle school, students feel safe enough to be open about who they like. Additionally, our school has had several students transition. NBD to other students.
Sadly not always the case. I know a few kids who are absolute scumbags, yet their parents are lovely.
Load More Replies...My son came out recently and I know his friends don't care. In fact, now he has two sets of friends - the kids he's been friends with since grade school and newly made friends from his boyfriend who are predominantly LGBTQ. He still hangs out and plays basketball with the former group but I think both groups now all game together. As a parent, my only fear of having a gay child would've been harassment and possible violence against him because that was what it was like for my gay friends. Thank God I don't have to fear that as much as I used to and to be honest, I credit the internet for a part of this acceptance. Kids have been exposed to all sorts of people for years now, unlike people my age and that gives me hope. They have big issues to deal with in the near future but I'm very grateful that despite blow back from some older generations and far right wing nuts, their choice of partners won't be an issue with the majority of their peers.
I was at school in the 1990s in the UK and it was unthinkable to come out. Guessing it is different now.
This is what we spent the last 30 years marching for, in fact.
Load More Replies...And then you have the teenage boys who call everything gay. You’re sitting alone studying for an exam? Gay. You dare to exist at the same time as them? Gay.
To learn more about the teacher’s role and how it evolved over time, we reached out to Bea Leiderman, an instructional technology coach and teacher in Virginia, US. Together with her husband Dr. William Rankin, she runs a website called Unfold Learning that provides learning design and educational expertise to schools, businesses, museums, and governments. Aside from running workshops and seminars around the world, Leiderman also finds pleasure in pursuing her hobby of nature photography in her spare time.
From her personal experience, students haven't changed as much since she started teaching. "Kids are kids and even in Ancient Rome, adults talked about 'kids these days'," she told Bored Panda. "What I do notice are the changes in kids’ attitudes regarding technology, mostly because access to digital technologies is now widespread."
Leiderman became a teacher in 2001, a time when far from everyone had a computer or a cellphone. "If you did have a cellphone, it had limited functionality: make phone calls, send texts typed out using the number pad. You know, 1 for ABC, 2 for DEF, etc. Using a phone was not fun and computers were few and far between. Now, even very young kids have smartphones and they can be a distraction, but they don’t have to be."
I'll be the one to point out the positive changes. I have been teaching for 18 years, and I've noticed a huge increase in empathy, tolerance and acceptance of differences. I have also noticed an increase in general awareness of the world and the people in it, and overall kids seem to get along better with each other. I feel really good about "kids these days". Honestly.
I really hope this is true. I was bullied as a kid and it really messed me up (with a few other factors) well into my adulthood. I’m sure there will always be the cliques and those kids who bully, but if there are other kids that are more empathetic and accepting of you that would make a big difference.
IMHO, this is one of the benefits of social media. Kids have more exposure to people who are different from them. If you attack someone online, you will usually get pushback. (Unless you only look at sites with people whose opinions are the same or more extreme.) I admit to have been clueless about the world when I was a very sheltered child. I wish I had known more.
Yeah, most students today do not discriminate. I believe the internet has a lot to do with that. They learn, in many cases, that the values being set by their families are bad.
Mental health.
Over the last 20 years I've seen a really significant increase in kids that seem very mentally unstable in regular classrooms - with very little support. What is really hard to handle is the number of kids who demonstrate very explosive anger at school. Trashing classrooms, screaming foul language, throwing objects, breaking things and harming themselves, classmates and teachers. This is a very common occurrence (weekly) in my experience and in the experience of ALL my teacher friends. I really fear for the mental health of all the kids who have to deal with this. I feel like they are being put into an abusive situation - always on edge that something might set these kids off.
I'm sorry if this came across as uncaring towards the students exhibiting violent, explosive behaviour. I have great deal of compassion for them and want them to get the appropriate care and attention they need. They need that support from someone other than a classroom teacher. I work hard to teach self regulation in my class and set kids up for success by having a calm down corner, alternative seating, body breaks, snack breaks. I try to teach each child 'where they are at' and work hard to get to know each and every child as an individual and make them feel cared for and that I believe in them. But I can't be a psychiatrist and social worker and teach 20- 30 kids.
this is really sad and shows how much stress newer generations (students) face (edit: all of the generations have experienced troubles of different types, so this is less about generations and more about the stress of students in general. sorry if it came across as insensitive or ignorant!)
It doesn't show how much stress younger generations face. It shows that they were never taught how to properly handle the stress they face.
Load More Replies...It shows a lack of parenting and community support. Kids who are born into chaotic homes dont stand a chance because schools can't realistically be expected to raise them
First graders - disrupting class- talking back to adults, hitting others, using foul language, etc. teacher calls parent in for a conference to see what they can work out together. Parent starts yelling at teacher, foul language, threatening to go to superintendent, claiming their child didn't have to listen because they (the parent) weren't going to make them. No joke! Teachers become hesitant, even afraid to deal with such parents. Teachers are required to have home/school visits with every student's family at least once a year. Teachers are not permitted to make these visits alone. Many teachers won't even have a teacher /parent conference without another teacher present. Kids see this.
Load More Replies...I subbed in an Emotional Support classroom in a high school once. They were learning a curriculum about feeling their feelings and finding healthy ways to deal with them. Why is this a specialist class for like, five students out of a thousand??!! They should be teaching this to all the students from a much younger age! I myself would definitely have benefited from such a class. Good on OP for doing what they can in their classroom.
This is going to sound as though I made it up. Ready? Rick DeSantis has banned teaching self-registration in school. According to him, it's "woke." In addition, simply having been in the military is now all the qualification you need to be a teacher. The children of Florida are being abused by the adults in power.
FloriDUH. So sorry for the innocent people who live there.
Load More Replies...Kids are mad. They’re mad that no one is listening to them and telling them what to think or want. Adults are telling them they shouldn’t learn about this or that, taking books away, making teachers avoid topics, knowing our society is crumbling and no one is doing anything about it, getting no support at home (for many), and on and on…. Some kids act out to get attention, some internalize it, some use drugs to make it all go away. All they really have where they get some kind of voice\control is in a phone or a video game.
Please see above comment. I have always appreciated those parents who actually took an interest in what their kids were learning. You're blaming the good guys.
Load More Replies...Well, mental and emotional instability has increased out in the rest of the world. People are having screaming fits in stores, on planes, and so on over trivialities.
If students see this lack of self control is acceptable in their parents and other adults, do you really think they will be any different? You can have all the special programs you want but kids are very much influenced by what they see and hear about. Such programs become a rathole to pour much needed funds down, in order to claim something is being done.
Load More Replies...I am a 61 yr old female and what really saddens me is the lack of sports and exercise that some kids receive. I'm no expert but I do remember the joy I got from just playing sports and physically and just simply playing at the park with my fellow school buddies. I'm not qualified to state this as a cure but to me it is very noticeable. In my opinion there is only so much computer games and reading a kid can do without needing and wanting to stretch their bodies etc. Just a thought.
I have been teaching at universities 4 decades. Lack of intellectual curiosity . Students have what is the minimum I need to do to get my ticket punched mentality. The number one question I get asked is what is on the exam. They are so grade focused that it is ruining education. I had a number of students complain that my class was too hard and a vice provost told me to dumb my class down (I refused, long story).
I see a number of folks commented on parents. We have parents calling up the president of the university to complain when a kid fails a class. I've dealt with parents and lawyers after giving a bad grade. I now must be so careful and not hurt anyone's feelings (Thank God my university has banned the fake service dogs).
I think this is a big reason so many students are disappointed with university education. I've had people complain to me that their degree is "useless" and I always wonder what job they have where they never have to think or analyze or make decisions. While I agree that college is WAY too expensive, the purpose is to learn higher-level critical thinking skills and broaden your knowledge base. Doing that will make you incredibly versatile. College isn't designed to put you into a specific job; if you want that, go to technical school. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with that choice! We messed up back in the 1980s with this "everyone go to college" c**p.)
Yes! I teach ancient lit and languages, and tell them that the purpose of these humanities and English classes (USA) is to teach them analytical skills, not that they'll be unsuccessful if they haven't read Homer. Every step, I emphasize the larger goal at hand and tell them what higher order thinking skill each assignment targets. Haven't had a complaint yet, and certainly haven't had anyone tell me to dumb a class down. I teach at a community college, and we're very proud of the difficulty level of our department.
Load More Replies...Selective memory. I taught in the 1990s, so three decades ago, and the students had no more intellectual curiosity than they do today. I do agree, though, that the parents are getting worse, and that the administrators are getting more spineless.
Yes, now parents and administrators are accepting of this lack of desire to learn. The students themselves have not changed (at least in this instance) but now every excuse is made for them to make such an attitude normal and acceptable. A great first ice is being done to the young people in education today.
Load More Replies...I think decades of standardized tests has given us a generation raised that if it isn't on the test, it's not worth spending any time on it. "Will this be on the test" is the opposite of intellectual curiosity.
whoever posted this seems like a complete as*hole "fake service dogs" come on. many Uni lecturers are very full of themselves/privileged (not all of them - but in my experience a good half. at uni i've had my mental health disorders made fun of a number of times by those lecturers, who are in a position of responsibility and have power over the kids. What the lect OP doesn't understand is that back in their day jobs were plentiful enough that you didn't need a degree to get a job, uni is not free now - for lots of kids it IS life n death, of course they want that pass! srsly its their lives, their futures, not just your ego
I think what they mean is people who just want to bring their dog into class because they want to bring it into class and try to get away with it by calling it a ', service dog'. If someone has the correct documentation of course they wouldn't ban it
Load More Replies...Spending 10+ years in schools that only value grades not knowledge or curiosity since what 6 years old? Then you don't get excited about learning anymore unless it's absolutely not school related (at least that's what's happened to me)
I've always been curious about the world and I would do my own independent research on anything I was interested in learning. I got teased for it all the time because I would take out books on Japanese cultures, Egypt, archeology. When I got into something, I would obsess about it until something else piqued my interest.
Load More Replies...Of course they want to know what's on the test. That's what determines if they progress to the next level. Memorizing and repeating predetermined information. It was like that in the 80s when I was in school. Asking what,where, why and how are a waste of time. Just remember facts, repeat them back, on to the next.
Hey! I’m interested in pursuing a conversation with you about this. Also in school, then Uni, in the late 80’s, early 90’s…but in the UK. Our experience aligns up to 16, where the requirement was 100% memorize ‘this stuff’, regurgitate. But from 17-18 the teaching focus changed from giving me all the stuff I needed to know to pass the year-end exams to “here’s how to research”, you aren’t going to pass unless/until you develop the ability to dig for information and compare what others have said to your own compass.
Load More Replies...Man, when I taught first-year writing at college, I had a parent call me up once about his student's grade. A college student's! parent! called the professor! about a grade! AND he started the conversation with, "I'm the local chief of police---" The worst part is, the student had already talked to me about the problem and we formulated a solution. And here came the (bully) helicopter dad, late on the scene, when his kid had already stepped up and taken care of it! Helicopter parents ruin their children's self-confidence and self-esteem by making their children feel they can't handle things on their own. They're really doing their kids a serious disservice.
"They are so grade focused"...well, no s**t! They are taught since at least first grade that grades are important, that they are the major determinant of the student's success. Even at my son's school, juniors and seniors must have a certain grade point average in order to be allowed to drive themselves to and from school!
An annual report from nonprofit organization Common Sense Media found that screen use for tweens and teens grew by 17 percent from 2019 to 2021, a sharp increase from the years before the pandemic. "Between 2019 and 2021, the total amount of screen media used each day went from 4:44 to 5:33 among tweens, and from 7:22 to 8:39 among teens. This is a much faster increase in just two years than was seen in the previous four years," the researchers wrote.
While some teachers say the increased screen time has negatively affected student behavior, Leiderman said it’s easy to blame technology for changes in classrooms that make adults feel uncomfortable.
"When I was a kid, if I was bored in class, I doodled in my notebook, or in the margins of whatever book I was supposed to be reading. Or I just stared into space. Now when students are bored, they can use technology as a distraction," she said. "Teachers have to make classes more interesting, more relevant because they are competing with distractions. This is not a bad thing, though. More interesting, relevant, engaging classrooms lead to deeper, lasting learning that can make a difference in the lives of students. It’s how it should have been all along."
Teacher of 24 years - not much difference. Kids are kids. Bundles of joy, anxiety, achievement, fears, hopefulness, self loathing, energy, laziness, humour, sarcasm and, most importantly, their individual spark that makes each of them precious.
Aww that's kinda sweet! A good break from the newer generations are doomed little shits.
Yo me too. Even though I'm only 15, I love helping with children in aftercare programs.
Load More Replies...The editor has attached the correct stock photo to the description - immaculate, well fed, perfectly groomed kids wearing expensive private school uniforms in a clean, perfectly maintained, well equipped environment.
Always loved my classes- would have loved to teach in a. Orphanage though.
My mum was a nursery (so kids 3-4 years old) teacher for 30+ years and her classroom had a computer in it. Most kids would be familiar with the screen/mouse/keyboard when they arrived even at their young age when she taught in the 2000s and it became normal for families to have a home computer. In the last few years before she retired she noticed a trend of kids coming in and not knowing ow to use the mouse or keyboard because they were so used to iPads and touch screens.
This makes me sad. My kids will never be raised on iPads. I don't care if in exhausted and need a break. I'll sacrifice that if it keeps my kids from being parented by computer screens.
Load More Replies...This is both accurate and normal. Any occupational therapist will tell you that a child’s fine motor skills are still developing at this age. It’s honestly difficult for them to use a mouse developed for adult hands. I used to put stickers (little owls) on the left mouse button, so I could tell them, “Click on the owl,” when giving them directions. Touch screens are just WAY EASIER to use for the little bitties. I taught Kinder ELL (English language learners - primarily from Guatemala) and between their unfamiliarity with technology and their still-developing fine motor skills… it took FOREVER to get them through a lesson using technology (which was required by the curriculum). I wrote a grant for touch screen Chromebooks. And my Kinder babies had ZERO ISSUES using them. By 1st/2nd grade and up, the kiddos could use a mouse with hardly any difficulty… even if technology was a new thing for them… because, by then, their fine motor skills are much more developed.
I'm 36 and too used to touch screens now. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to zoom in an actual newspaper or poke the screen of the older model computer we have at work.
This is actually an issue in work. When covid first hit we had to transition our IT infrastructure from desktop to laptop to allow remote working. Although we purchased laptops for everyone there was obviously some delay in logistics and set up (everyone was buying laptops) so an interim was to use a Remote Desktop on your personal laptop. The problem was that nobody under 30 owned a laptop so us older people had to work very hard to keep the wheels on.
I've seen this in primary schools. I taught a computer class for 8-9 year olds and was blown away that most of them didn't know how to use a mouse, or minimise a window.
20 years experience. I find the biggest difference is the inability to self regulate. Some kids struggle with the word “wait.” Some kids struggle when their emotions get too big- they don’t have coping mechanisms. Some kids aren’t able to interpret the emotions of others. However many kids are just fine.
I think it is related to changes in parenting and technology. The instant gratification of technology combined with parents who don’t create boundaries create kids who can’t self regulate.
However I also think that kids spend less time outside unsupervised. The natural processes of learning and social interactions is not happening for most kids.
Most kids are really pretty good. Every year I have kids that prove my faith in humanity. But that 10% who trash classroom, scream, and freak out are getting worse. The difference between the top and the bottom is only getting larger.
Yes, this is exactly what I teach schools about (I do professional development about mental health in kids).
Agreed. I have also noticed, I am having more and more students who along with the word "wait", they have problems with the word "no". Had a parent tell me I should let her son do whatever he wanted because its the only way to stop the tantrums. That was a nightmare year.
Yep. With time, patients, and the right teaching strategies you can perform miracles. What you can't do easily is change parenting. One difficult school I worked in had a family workshop strategy. After a number of behavioural incidents, the child had to attend a workshop with a career. Many parents felt supported by this, as they were given help and advice to get their kids on track - many found it a safe place to ask for help. Lots though hated it and just screamed at the kids to stop doing what ever it was that 'wasted' their time, or got very aggressive at the staff. That school had a 'super head' so a lot more flexibility than a normal head, who would be unlikely to get something like that through governors. Bernardo's does some fantastic work with families, unfortunately they are so overwhelmed, only a handful of those who need it get it. Usually when they have been living past crisis point for years. Many people are quick to blame school/ parents/ society.
Load More Replies...This is true - kids do not spend enough time outside, and it's getting worse.
Not just outside, -unsupervised-. Meaning they have to figure out how to solve problems like a ball that has fallen in a creek, ab argument between kids, make mistakes and try to fix them before adults find out, get home on time. Now everyone usually days you can't leave your kids unsupervised. But that also means usually the adults solve the problems. I send them out to play, tell them to let me know if they go to a different area, and set a time they need to bed back/check in with me. I love to hear their stories when they get back.
Load More Replies...And that 10% destroys the learning environment for the 90%. I don't care how much a teacher loves her students, how many special programs you install to promote acceptance and understanding, until that 10% can be dealt with, you are going to be cheating the rest.
In the 80's one of the things they included on our report cards during grade school was "self control". It wasn't a grade, just "good" or "needs improvement". Apparently MY self control constantly needed improvement. LOL! Actually, I suppose it still does. Which is why I'm fat. :)
I think it’s electronics. Kids are so used to the fast pace of TikTok and video games. To sit down and write a paper or look for information from a text-kids have no patience for it. They want to rush through it so they can talk to their friends. I’m a support staff member working in many different classrooms and this is what I see all day. It’s sad.
The use of technology also led to surprising benefits, such as kids already entering school with skills and experiences previous generations lacked, the educator argued. "For example, the first time I taught a class that involved 3D modeling on a screen was in 2007, and students had a very tough time imagining a 3D object on a flat screen."
"By 2015, most students I worked with had some experience with a 3D environment, Minecraft or something else like it, and it was much easier to jump into creating whatever we were working on without struggling," Leiderman added.
My mom retired last year after teaching 30+ years. She had recently become a vice principal and had planned on working for another 5 years to really top up her pension... but she couldn't handle the parents. Helicopter parents as they're called. She said the parents just won't let their kids take responsibility for their actions (come in screaming because their kid got detention for suckerpunching some kid on the yard - and admitting to it), or accept their grades (kid got a bad mark on a test, TEXTED his mom immediately, she drove in and lost her s**t. It doesn't matter that she showed her the test where he got most of the answers wrong.)
Those instances rather discribe bulldozer parents. A sure way to raise entiteled kids that will become karens later in life.
Or they might also be bullying their students at home the same way they bully the parents.
Load More Replies...My mother had planned on putting in a full 25 years, so that she could retire with her full pension. Then my maternal grandmother had a stroke, and I needed several major, unplanned, surgeries. My mother had plenty of paid vacation/personal time saved up after having been in her district for 20 years, so she used that time to help take care of me and my grandmother. My mother had always gotten the highest possible scores on all her evaluations, all 20 years she'd been teaching. That year, she got the *lowest* scores across the board. When she asked her principal why, the principal just shrugged and said, "Well, we can't play favorites--you missing school because of your mother and your daughter is no different from you missing school because you wanted to stay home and watch soap operas all day!" My mother was so disgusted that she retired at the end of that school year--20 years, instead of 25.
"Well, we can't play favorites--you missing school because of your mother and your daughter is no different from you missing school because you wanted to stay home and watch soap operas all day!" - How on earth are those two scenarios equivalent?!
Load More Replies...Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't helicopter parents the ones the are so focused on academic performance in their kids they forget about letting them have fun?
Parents are the worst part of the job. A guy once yelled at me for his whole parent teacher time slot because "how dare I accuse his daughter of plagiarism." Her paragraph was word for word the same as two other people, people she had "studied" with, and he came at me like it ruined her chances to get into Oxford. It was grade eight.
And I had used it as a teaching moment about plagiarism, the potential consequences of it, and she got to rewrite the assignment and still get marks for it. Because a) I'm good at what I do, and b) it's grade eight and I'd rather she learn it now than when she can forfeit a degree and get kicked out of uni.
Load More Replies...The right-wing attack on educators is incessant. Hey soccer mom, how about if you go volunteer in your kid's school? Or would that interfere with your Facebooking and getting engulfed in the latest conspiracy theory? So many dedicated teachers out there. Why is it that the only qualified ones go to one of your approved churches?
Reading. I teach in post-graduate professional school. They are kids at 22-26 years old. As a general statement, they do not know how to extract information from reading. They skim rather than read. Also, they claim to be visual or auditory learners rather than readers (thank you b******t education specialists).
I taught freshman/sophomore college English for 8 years. When I first started in 2010, most students could read and write on a high school level. By the time I left in 2018, my average entering student read on a 4th or 5th grade level and wrote at or below that level. Worst of all, many were rude or hostile if they didn't make the grades they wanted, and they were unwilling to do rewrites or ask for help. They'd simply say they made A's in high school so if they didn't make A's in my class I just didn't like them. No, sweetie, you don't know basic subject-verb agreement or how to pull out basic info from a newspaper article.
On my job one day, HR sent down a HUGE container with years of employment applications in it to be dumped. Out of curiosity, I started reading some of them. I didn't find one that were filled out or spelled correctly. I finally understood how I was so successful at getting jobs. The applications looked like they had been filled out by morons.
Load More Replies...I'm not sure what he means when he says "they claim to be visual...learners rather than readers." Do his students use this as an excuse to be stupid? I've been a "visual" reader and thinker all my life. So have a lot of other people. This is a real situation for many people and not an excuse not to learn. When I learned to read, everything became clearer to me. If you explain something to me verbally, I won't get half of it. If I read the same words you said, I understand a lot more. I "extract information from reading." I don't skim; I read. I love reading. I also love writing.I don't use it as an excuse to be stupid. It's just the way my brain works and I take advantage of it to learn and to enjoy life. If he's a teacher he should know about this.
I learn best by reading, and it's really hard these days to find tutorials for ANYTHING that's NOT in video format. Makes me thankful for closed captioning
If you're a visual learner (like me), what you should do as a student is read the material and do visual notes on the important things. If you're an auditory learner, then by all means read the important bits out loud or better yet, record them so you can listen to them. Knowing how you learn best doesn't mean the teaching material needs to adapt. You adapt your learning strategies.
Like, I can read, no problem, and when I do read I picture in my head what it is that's described. If it's something I'm not familiar with or is harder to picture I just get frustrated and cannot take the words at face value. It's not an excuse nor does it make me "stupid", or anyone else for that matter.
I was never realllllyyyyyy taught how to read. I mean I learn how to read, like what letters mean what. But my spelling is s**t, my reading is slow, my understanding is low, often I need to read things multiple times cause my brain short circuits. In 4th grade my mom and I went to the PRINCIPAL of the school to figure out some alternative or extra practice for my spelling because it was so bad. And she actually just shrugged and said some people were just bad spellers. And did absolutely nothing. And it's been just about the same from my teachers ever since. I got in the habit of spelling words in my head in highschool and I still do, almost unconsciously. And my spelling is much better now! Yay! Still bad but better. Thank you spell check! A big help in improving my spelling too.
60 years old and not once in my life have I needed to know the basic subject verb agreement.
Visual and auditory learning isn't a new thing. I don't pick up any information if you expect me to learn it by reading a mind numbing text book. Why don't you actually *teach* the material rather than expecting your students to learn it themselves. I used the textbook for reference purposes after the lesson while doing homework or studying. The best teachers I had were the ones who were engaging and interesting to listen to. They showed how the subject matter was valuable in real life situations. Using their own anecdotes or giving plausible examples. I've been out of school for many years now and the biggest changes I see are that the curriculum has disintegrated. My 14 year old niece is about to start grade 9 and still has not been taught geography of her own country. I was so upset I didn't even think to ask about history. I honestly don't want these new generations in charge of running the world
Anxiety is worse. I have multiple kids each year with diagnosed anxiety disorder IN KINDERGARTEN. now my school is trying to say we need to stress kids out MORE because they are not comfortable failing. We need to " inoculate them against" stress with more stress. Maybe that's the case with older kids, but if I put any more pressure on these kindergarten children they are going to break in a way that lasts a lifetime. Also what we do in kindergarten is very very different. There is no learning colors or playing. They are now writing books and reading books at 5. Like, books with 6 full pages of writing true stories from their lives. We don't even let them write fiction. These poor kids. Ten years ago kids were singing songs about the color yellow. Now if they don't know every letter sound and every letter by the end of October, they are sent to a special help group.
I learned the best when I was put in the "people who fail at English" English class. We read books, learned history, talked, had debates. It was great! So so so much better that the sitting at a desk for 90 minutes listening to a teacher talk. Granted the normal class was extremely over crowded and the good class had like 15 people AT MOST.
Sounds like the "people who fail at English" class had a teacher who understood actual pedagogy and educational psychology and was allowed to implement it! In other words: what the English classes should probably all have been like in the first place. I'm glad you had such a great experience!
Load More Replies...I hate this trend where kindergarten ruins a child's love of learning by putting them through the grinder. If you finish kindergarten thinking school isn't fun, you've wasted your year for sure.
All school years should be fun. I'm not saying every lesson every day - but the overall experience.
Load More Replies...In second grade, my son had something called rocket math. It was a full page, front and back, of simple addition problems, for a total of 160 problems. At the start of a 10 minute timer, the students proceeded to solve as many addition problems as they could. If they didn't pass the benchmark, they had to complete all 160 problems as homework. This was the beginning of the end of my son's love for learning.
In the Netherlands, children can go to school from 4 y.o, and it is nice if they can count to 10 then, and know most colours. From 5 year old they Have to go to school (so the first year is optional, but most parents send their kid at 4). Must do know how to write their name at age 5, (group 2) but learning how to write and spell starts at group 3. (5-6 y.olds) In group 1 and 2 they mostly bike, in paint, build, cut, get read to, learn songs, get themes to work around (e.g. images of an egg evolving to a chicken around Easter, a caterpillar to a butterfly in spring) they cut the inmates out, maybe color it and glue them in what they think it's the right order. Focus is on fine motor skills and social skills.
Few months ago I sat in on a science class - UK, aged 12/13. About 25 kids in the class, most were able to complete work sheet on particle physics (when did that become normal so young?) with very little help. What a shocking number could not do, was cut paper down to size and stick neatly in to book. Most just took a picture and uploaded to E-portfolio, because they found that easy. I feel something is missing.
Load More Replies...My kid just got out of kindergarten and she was supposed to memorize 120 sight words, do homework every day, and be reading by the end of the school year. It stressed me out that she was expected to do so much. She says she hates school because of kindergarten and that shows how terrible this new system is.
Omg yes! When my daughter was in kindergarten she was so stressed out. She doesn't learn like the other kids do. She always learned through play. But she wasn't the only one. It's so much pressure for a developing brain. Like chill out schools with your testing for funding. Bring back fun for learning again. These poor teachers and children.
I'm 13. Adding more stress, no matter the age, is going to help. I can't believe people actually think that's the answer to anxiety- I mean seriously- "Hey, kids have anxiety that is THROUGH. THE. ROOF. What should we do?" "Ah, yes, I know!! Let's stress them out MORE so they might end up getting stressed out by smaller and smaller things until they snap at the slightest amount of work! Perfect!" "You're a genius!" You can't tell me that this has ever happened, and that if it has, those people are stupid and crazy.
One change in kids she noticed is that they have become much more adventurous with computers and tech in general. She stated that students are now less worried about clicking away and figuring things out along the road. However, these behaviors can sometimes scare teachers. "Many older adults have not changed their attitudes towards technology. To them, technology is scary and a bother, and it makes them uncomfortable. They don’t want students to know more than they do."
But while teachers (and parents!) fear kids taking over control by showing off their skills, they should also remember the little ones still need their guidance and support. Leiderman told us that while many students are bringing their attitudes about technology into the classroom, far from everyone is fluent in tech.
Teacher for 17 years. School administrator for 5 or 12, depending on you want to define that role.
There is no difference between the kids of yesterday and today. None. Zero. If there are changes in how they interact with us and with each other, they are entirely the result of their coping with a world that we have created for them. This is not hard to figure out or understand.
Kids now are the way they are because of thef***ing world we live in. I don't agree with kids being assholes but a lot of us grew up with authority/school figures maybe not being the best people to stand with
Most of my teachers were incompetent. I always looked forward to summer vacation because I would have more time to read.
Load More Replies...THIS. Here in the US, students are afraid of being MURDERED in a mass shooting while at school, and they're worried about the many standardized tests they have to take, and they're worried about having access to resources they need that have become prohibitively expensive like HEALTHCARE and HOUSING. The adults complaining about "kids today" are the people who RAISED those kids.
Not all of the adults who complain about kids today raised those kids. And not all of the kids today who have problems blame it on their parents.
Load More Replies...I was a free range child who had 2 requirements: be home for dinner and again when the street lights went on. I made my own decisions daily which helped in developing critical thinking and coping skills. Kids of today who have their entire days structured by a parent or other adults have a disadvantage in those skills.
Only partially, 50/50 would be best as the children do need freedom yet also guidance.
Load More Replies...Thank you, for the love of god/dess, THANK YOU, for being the wisest post
That literally means KIDS HAVE CHANGED because they're adapting to a new type of world.... which means THEYRE DIFFERENT from us... Because we grew up In a different world. Nobody is saying change is bad. But to ignore the blatant changes in social behaviors of children & to say "kids haven't changed the world has" is just about the dumbest thing you could say. Like DUH! That's what the world does. It's changes and so do the people in it. every generation has indeed changed in order to adapt to their surroundings. That doesn't mean kids aren't changing. That means EVERYTHING IS CHANGING! Including the children. Lol. Yes, they're a product of their environment... but so is every single generation...
Load More Replies...Bless you for saying this. So many of these comments come off as "these kids nowadays!"
I have two.
The first is one I can not explain. I don't know why it is happening, but it is definitely happening. Kids are less curious. School is not really about learning, it is about getting a grade. When I first started teaching a lecture would take 2-3 classes because of answering questions that the lecture brought up. Not clarification questions, curiosity questions. Now, even when I try to force it, the kids don't ask questions. I could be lecturing about the most interesting topic in the world, and making overly--provocative statements and they still just sit there and numbly stare at me. When I ask why they don't ask questions they tell me "because we understood it all."
The second is one I think a lot of teachers don't realize. They are in constant communication with one another. 24-7 they have a phone in hand and they are talking to each other. Something can happen in my 1st hour and 2nd hour walks in talking about it and have obviously been talking about it for a while. A horrible example of this is a death of a student. We had to beat it into our admins head that you can't wait even a second to announce. The second it happened it started spreading through the town and school. There are whispers and tears spreading through my room before I even know about it. We have no time to prepare or handle things appropriately. A couple of times I have found out about things happening in neighboring towns within an hour of it happening from my students. And the implications of this constant communication is yet to be really understood by anyone. I don't think any adult today can comprehend growing up in this hive-mind way.
I think that the kids are being so inundated with information that they are in overload. There is also what the post further up talked about - kids are expected to "know" stuff". But really what they are expected to do is to perform. So their "learning" is really just memorization. Because parents are so convinced that their toddler is a genius who should be learning algebra, these kids are rewarded for pretending that they understand stuff which they are just parroting. In those condition, curiosity is a hinderance. After all, if kids should memorize the entire 1 to 10 multiplication table in kindergarten, where can the teacher fit in anything fun? N Nothing kill curiosity like making learning a chore.
This. When I was prepping for the ACT I accidentally found an article on all the s**t wrong with it and I fell in a bit of a rabbit hole. Students are no more grade focused than the schools are.
Load More Replies...I don't think children lack curiosity. I think they are less inclined to look to a teacher to answer that curiosity. I know my daughter (who is, admittedly on the spectrum) is very reluctant to ask questions of her teacher but will come home and look up on youtube and ask Alexa all kinds of questions she was prompted about by things she heard in school--then follow the resultant rabbit holes. Her curiosity is insatiable, but she likes to be in charge of how she finds things out. On the one hand, that means she's less likely to take what an authority figure (including myself) says unquestioningly. On the other hand, she's far less likely to be led than she would otherwise be. And that, I think, is a good thing. Probably one reason why children are less homophobic, xenophobic, and racists than in the past.
Yes Stephanie, I agree! You can see my comment as well but especially kids who aren’t neurotypical like to learn outside the classroom and actually are more curious I think, they just don’t like to get the info through the lens of school if that makes sense.
Load More Replies...I think a lot of kids now are seen as “not curious” at school or “too grade focused” but tis because a lot of them are learning the most actually outside of the classroom. I was a VERY smart kid, and I was honestly always pretty bored in school, especially when I got to middle and high school. My mom, a teacher and counselor, saw this and had us do a lot of work outside to school on topics we liked to keep us stimulated, and she let us read pretty much anything we wanted. I actually got in trouble at school for reading Roots cover to cover because it was “too mature” but I was bored otherwise in class and had finished my work. Kids “on their phone” are often looking up stuff a lot too, stuff they don’t get to talk about in class and a lot of it a lot more about the world and “intellectual topics” then you might think. Had a niece who everyone thought was like this until she showed me she was reading about old Supreme Court cases cuz she was curious about them at age 13.
“Because we understood it all” should show up in test scores. There’s surface understanding and deeper understanding, so which is it? Do they actually understand the subject enough to answer the questions—-not just multiple choice, but short answer questions—-write the essays (especially essays where they have to lay out and explain the topic without much of a prompt), and get decent grades on it? If not, then they didn’t understand it all, at all.
I agree with both, so many of my classmates only care about the grades, or have just given up on good grades. I have fallen in to that hole as well, I have some of the best grades in my classes, but only becuase I don't take the time to ask about everything I want to. I do my best to learn for the sake of learning on my own, but at school it is extremely hard. For the second point, last year, the older brother of a former friend of mine ODed and the whole school knew about it the next morning, before the town, family, or school made any anouncment. And the former friend and her other brother did not come to school that day(understandably). It was crazy, and while not many people knew the details in the morning, everyone did by lunch.
Why are phones being allowed in class rooms? They are only a distraction.
If the school doesn't provide electronics to the students, the students will have to use their phones if they want to look something up. And in big schools where people won't get to see their friends during the school day, and one of them has something important to tell the other, they'll use their phone, usually between classes. They're not always only a distraction.
Load More Replies...I can only respond to the the first part of this statement from my own personal experience. I'm now 61 but growing up I had 3 other siblings as well as having 2 grandparents and a boarder that lived with us as well. We were taught to be quiet and not to ask questions etc. Understandable I suppose but frustrating. As for the last part of the statement I have no experience nor answers for it.
The lack of curiosity I would say is because people are pressuring the students (whether it’s the students themselves or some other individual) to focus on the grade to be a well set adult but the grade doesn’t matter. It’s the curiosity of learning. I’m only a teen, but I talk way more than the rest of my classmates because I actually want to know things because of the way my mind processes things. It’s sad but it’s a reality we have to face. To much stock is found in a grade rather than having the understanding.
I've been teaching high school since 1993. Kids are less much less homophobic, much heavier, more aware of things in the world (thanks, internet!), and as mentioned by another teacher here, more willing to say they are mentally ill, particularly depressed. Whether or not they actually *are* more mentally ill is another question, and I don't have the answer. Also pessimism about the future is much more pronounced than 20 years ago.
Drug use is just as much of a problem as 20+ years ago but the types of drugs used these days are more dangerous.
There are have always been lovely, fun, and enjoyable students and that has not changed.
I guess it just feels like the world is going to s**t lately. Pandemics, fires, politics, human rights. How can you be optimistic about the future when you don't know what human right will be taken away next? Or how many people you know will die of diseases? Working in healthcare it gets exhausting dealing with COVID every day but what's even more exhausting is all the people who have given up. It's almost like we realized our collective power and it's not much. Why wear a mask and goggles when your favorite resident just died in the hospital when she was laughing and playing bingo two weeks ago? Right?
It doesn't help that the news media is giving us negative news 24/7 in a way that they've never been able to before and that they don't report on positive news because it doesn't have the same psychological power to keep readers tuned in...
Load More Replies..."Pessimism about the future is much more pronounced than 20 years ago." -- can confirm. I was a teenager in the late 90s/beginning 2000s, and we'd just assume things would stay as they were.
"The myth of the 'digital native' is dangerously widespread. Many adults assume that kids can use technology with little or no guidance because they’ve had cellphones and computers around since they were born. This is absolutely ridiculous," she explained. "We as adults have to help kids learn to use technology productively AND safely. None of that can be taught with lecturing and worksheets. It has to happen through actual use of technology for productivity and creativity, with respect for the rights and intellectual property of others."
The level of bully violence seems to have gone way down since the 90s. You don't see nearly as much clique activity, and it is no longer a thing where athletes pick on the nerds for example. Being mean to people seems to actually have a harmful effect on their popularity. Whereas the most popular kids seem to be those who are friends with everybody. You won't lose points because one of your friends is in band, first example.
oh lord. well.. i’m in highschool in texas, USA. football boys get away with a lot of s**t; n word (they’re white ofc), r slur, f slur, ‘go make me a sandwich’, sexual comments about girls minding their damn business, etc. god i have to restrain myself from punching the s**t out of em
Well, it's Texas, and they are emulating their political leaders.
Load More Replies...There's still a lot of bullying going on but it's mainly moved online, on social media and gaming. We just refer to it as trolling, now.
This reigns true in my school, though granted I live in a more liberal area of the United States. I'm guessing this is due to the implementation of curriculums more focused on social emotional development. I've noticed more passive aggressiveness and judgemental behavior amongst students though in recent years. So long as humans populate the earth people will make fun of each other in one form or another :/
This must depend on your geographical and socioeconomic status because that is not always the case.
Genuine question here. That high school clique thing you see on American high school dramas - is it real? I have never seen it (I've taught Wales, and Greece) I have chatted to kids about this - they all assume it's an American thing. Only talking to one small group of kids based on just one of your interests seems odd. Is it just a TV thing?
I don't think this is true. They are just more discreet about it. Spreading lies behind someone's back instead of bullying them to their face. Pretending to be super nice one minute, and acting nice in front of the teachers, meanwhile spreading lies about the weird kid in school. The bullying is worse though because they aren't just coming for your fashion choices or nerdy habits, they are coming for your reputation. Bullies will now paint you to be a bad person by spreading lies of things you've never did. Ex. "I heard that ____ is homophobic, did you know she did (insert lie)"
SRO in a medium sized high school. Compared to kids in 2008, they are much nicer. 2008 - 2010 was the apex of bullying. MySpace and Facebook were fields of prey. Kids spent hours terrorizing others. They were nice individuals, and shitty, shitty as a group. Students don’t put up with that s**t anymore. But, more importantly, they don’t do it as much. I’m not saying that there aren’t issues, but I would say it’s gone down over 60%. Now the adults are doing it.
They absolutely can be. I had to block a mother who was harassing me because her precious 18 yo was failing a class. She also tried to get me fired (spoiler: l wasn't). Parents are the absolute worst and I say that as a teacher who's also a parent.
Load More Replies...I think kids are still mean. Look how they bully each other on social media. They just hide it better or get them "canceled".
they definitely are still mean they just hide it way better (coming from someone whos gen z)
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Serving 15 years in a HS and counting...
They text with their thumbs more quickly than we type on keys.
They are more individualistic, but also more accepting of differences like race or orientation.
They were born after 9/11.
Basketball and soccer are the new baseball and football.
Everyone games.
Internet killed the TV star.
I'm a high school student and I can type over 100 WPM on a keyboard, but I'm slow as heck on a phone lol
Load More Replies...Since education was based on books and papers twenty years ago, it can take time for some teachers to adapt to this change of pace. With the internet at our fingertips, something that took hours to look up in the library in the past now takes mere seconds. "If you spend time with teachers at any large gathering, the 'kids are googling all the answers' conversation always happens," the educator revealed.
"When I was in school, I had access to my older sister’s lab reports, research papers, completed worksheets," she said, adding that using Google these days is no different. "It shows students have not changed. Students knew how to game the system when I was a kid, and they still do it today."
Schools are measured differently as well. Many teachers have to defend failing a student not only to parents, but also to higher ups because it affects the graduation rate. A colleague was harassed and finally started bringing a union rep to repeated questionings about failing a senior who was absent for two-thirds of the year.
No Child Left Behind was clearly a HUGE mistake. Teaching to the test not only does not teach, it also send the wrong message about education, and gives too much fodder for helicopter and bulldozer parents to b***h about their “perfect little angels” getting a well deserved bad grade.
Yup, nobody gets left behind, gotta hold everyone back.
Load More Replies...Not sure about elsewhere but Canada has a "No one gets left behind" policy. Students are no longer allowed to be kept behind a year. Everyone moves up with their class. Regardless of whether they know the material or not. I understand that keeping them back kills their self esteem but is it better to push them through so they fall further behind every year? No wonder kids don't strive for anything anymore and feel entitled to having life handed to them
Every year I went to see my son's teachers and told them that I would have their back and if there were any problems, just to let me know and we'd handle it at home. The other side of that is my son knew that we had his back as well so when he got detention in 7th grade for fighting, we got the whole story and determined that he wasn't at fault so he wasn't disciplined at home.
Kids were failed forward back in the 60s without regard to knowledge gained. I don't think it's much different, but suspect around that time social issues became center stage. Today it's the core of what is taught and focused on. Unless there is a strong family, children are just consumed with pressures to focus on social justice and become accepted in the new controlling majority..
A little different here because I'm a dance teacher, but I've noticed big changes throughout the years (been teaching just about 20 years).
Anxiety. Kids are scared to try anything new. The pressure they feel from possibly failing is intense and really hard to break through. They are way more scared now to look foolish in front of everyone than ever before.
Parents. They are the worst. To clarify, I deal mostly with competitive dancers. As someone mentioned above, the children are never at fault, the parents will pretty much always back their child, and to top it off, they constantly try to tell me how I should be doing my job.
Drive. This is specific to competitive kids but I think it likely goes across to other fields. Competitions award everyone for being so awesome that kids now think they have reached the peak of their ability at age 13 or so. It's incredible how quickly they start believing they are the greatest thing out there and disappointing when someone with a lot of talent is done pushing themselves.
This shows up when they get their first job. Unless it’s at their family’s business, where the praise and fake rewards continue, most are in for a rude awakening when confronted by people who actually ARE great at what they do, and deserving of true praise.
Can’t have it both ways. They are scared to fail, on the other hand over confident. Perhaps that’s because the rewards are for winning and not for the joy of movement
"Parents. They are the worst. To clarify, I deal mostly with competitive dancers. As someone mentioned above, the children are never at fault, the parents will pretty much always back their child, and to top it off, they constantly try to tell me how I should be doing my job." - I saw that loud and clear on Dance Moms. Wow. I didn't like a single adult on that show.
That reminded me of a friend, who over 60 years ago, passed the eleven plus with high grades, the best in his deprived estate school where he was a shining star. Went up to the Grammar School and suddenly surrounded by kids as good, if not better than him, crashed and burned for the first two years totally unable to accept he wasn't tops anymore.
I just want to say sometimes the parent isn't trying to tell you how to do your job because they think they know more about the subject, but rather because they know more about their kids. I had my two girls in swim lessons, and I told the instructors they absolutely HAVE to be in different groups. If you put them in the same group it won't work. They didn't listen. 2 weeks later the instructor is complaining to me she can't teach the class because my kids won't stop messing with each other. DUH!!!! Why do you think I told you to put them in separate groups in the first place? I want it to be easy on you to teach all the kids in the class, if my two are together I know that's not going to happen.
To me, technology has become the babysitter to many kids. Social media and unfiltered content is exposing kids to many things most current adults were never exposed to at their age. Parents either dont care and want the quiet an iPad or cell phone brings to their kids, or they're working their asses off just to put food on the table, and dont have many options for babysitters.
The Internet is also the modern free range where kids can go and be themselves without parental intervention. My generation used to go outside after breakfast, wander home for lunch, and be back when the street lights came on. Don't pretend we were more supervised, because we weren't. Faffing about online is the modern equivalent of that.
I have posted about this before, but I had a student in Kindergarten, who was absolutely SHOCKED I wouldn't give her my phone to play games on. "But I'm BORED!". "There are the books, there are the puzzles, or you can color. You can not have my phone". (Phone wasn't out, she just asked if I had one, and kids ask all sorts of questions, so I didn't see where this was going).
Students don't know what to do with research. They perform a google search, and read the descriptive links- but rarely read the article. Many think "google.com" is the link to their references. They know how to play games on computers and smart devices, but ask them to set up a basic website, or edit a picture, or wrap their text around a picture in article they are putting together and it's 100% "deer in the headlights"---- anything but playing games? They don't have a clue.
I'm still a child but I have to agree with the internet exposure part. I'm in middle school and many kids I know watch adult content casually.
Educator Leiderman pointed out that technology has opened the door to millions of student creative endeavors — from making sophisticated video and audio to accessing the bottomless pit of knowledge the internet presents them with. "On top of that is the accessibility aspect: text to speech helps students with disabilities. So does dictation. And instant translation can help new arrivals who don’t speak the local language yet."
"Think about that! Amazing! So why complain about cellphones and laptops instead of making the most of them? Let students explore and create. Give them direction, and give them guidance, but look for ways to use technology in meaningful projects," she said.
Parents who can't stand to see their child get their feeeeeeeelings hurt for any reason. Parents who label their kids with mental health issues but never get them diagnosed. "Oh, she has anxiiiiiiieeety." It is actually an insult to the families who actually do have children with mental health issues to use it as an excuse to let your kid do NOTHING!
On the opposite end of that, there are parents who way over schedule activities and never let their kids be idle and do nothing for even a second. Even an adult needs down time to do nothing but lay around and daydream, or just sleep, to recharge before burning out. Having to be on and busy 24/7/365 to the point of collapse from exhaustion could be classified as a method of torture.
I had parents insist their child be put in a high level math class, which the child lacked both the ability and preparation for, because it was important to their "self-esteem". Folks, if years of being in your home, family, and care haven't given your child a healthy sense of self-esteem, differential calculus ain't gonna do it either. And unearned self-esteem is just ... steam.
The complete lack of interest in memorizing anything.
While the pedagogical value in, say, memorizing (for instance) times tables can be debated (and has been, over and over), kids these days not only won't, but seemingly can't. They're so used to just looking up info (read: Googling / Asking Siri) when they need it, they don't have anything "ready to go" in their heads so to speak.
Also, there's been a loss of imagination and the ability to relate to events in, for instance a story. I blame helicopter parenting and the inability for students to form their own experiences for that.
Yes, there's been a big backlash against memorisation and 'rote learning' because, as the argument goes, being able to repeat facts doesn't mean that the student actually understands anything. While this is true, it ignores the fact that sometimes you do actually just need to memorise things (such as when learning a language), and you can massively improve your memorisation skills through practice.
As a dyslexic, my ability to rote learn as a child was none existent. All my life, I have to keep practicing my memory, because lots of things need to be remembered. Just because rote learning made me miserable, I am sad kids who might be good at it are not given an opportunity to hone this skill. My nephew went to a Greek school until age 9. Rote learning was way too big a part of his school life. It did however give him a massive advantage in the UK system. He is now doing a hard Uni degree, yet is able to more than keep up while being active on a sports team and play in an orchestra as well as having a small job.
Load More Replies...I'm 61 and I still cannot remember times tables I had to learn by rote when I was a child. I learned them for a test, and then promptly forgot. However, I can still recite the poetry I learned at the age of 7-10.
I've found the tables useful throughout life. Don't need a calculator for most basic math. The numbers are still in my head 70 years later.
Load More Replies...Our schools today are nothing but SAT factories. "Teaching" is only meant to help students memorize stuff just long enough to get a higher SAT score, which is all the schools care about because it determines the amount of money they'll get next year. After the SAT period is over, students "flush out" the useless data from their heads.
I do believe there's a direct correlation between helicopter parents and the overall increase in anxiety in children. But, I'm not sure I see the connection being made with helicopter parents and lack of imagination. I think that has more to do with kids having constant stimulation (tablets, computers, iphones, etc.) and no time to be bored enough to entertain one's self.
I have never minded helicopter parents - much better than neglectful ones and those who are 'friends' with their kids rather than parents. The reasons for the helicoptering are different though. If the parent is obsessed with success in areas they deem important, that can lead to anxiety and/or lack of opportunity to try something new. My sister is very much a helicopter parent. She however is focused on giving her kids every opportunity to become the best version of who they want to be. She made space in schedules for free time and unsupervised park time with friends. Reading at bed time had a minimum set, but if they read longer that was ok. Family game times - learn to win and lose well. Kids are now age 15 and 19. Both calm happy and creative, and we'll on their way to follow THEIR dreams.
Load More Replies...They don't need to memorize when they are allowed to use their phones in class
My mum’s been a kindergarten teacher for more than 20 years and she’s noticed a shift in the parents attitude.
She says there’s less investment from the parents and they completely disregard her rules and requests.
Kids are kids, but parents should know better.
So if you believe that increased technology use equals challenging student behaviors, take a step back and assess the situation. "Accept [that] kids have access to the entire world on their screens. Take advantage of that, both as a teacher and as a parent," Leiderman advised. At her house, everyone’s eager to discuss the captivating content they stumble upon online. "Is it reliable? Is it fair? Is it ethical? Moral? It doesn’t have to be anything serious. We go down silly rabbit holes and laugh a lot."
"It’s been like this for the past decade, at least, and I am so incredibly proud of who my children have become. They are well informed, they are involved, they are savvy consumers of information. They are unlikely to fall for scams or join a dangerous cult, and they can have conversations with anyone about almost anything. They are lifelong learners, open-minded, and accepting of others. I think this is the big change we all should wish for in kids," Leiderman concluded.
As a student in high school that has a teacher that’s been teaching for 30+ years, he says the biggest change has been spelling and reading. Most students are unable to understand big words he uses and can’t spell for s**t. Even the simplest words are spelt incorrectly. He thinks this is because of autocorrect and students seeing words spelt incorrectly on social media.
Post-16 educator here. The spelling and grammar decline baffles me sometimes, given the help that most word processing packages have built into them.
Text spelling is no help. I doubt even spellcheck recognizes it to correct it.
Load More Replies...Quite often we see on social media, people say, for example, me and Sarah, instead of Sarah and I, or Sarah and me. Surely the schools must be teaching the right way then for some reason social media teaches another way.
And the inability to do basic arithmetic. Not teaching phonics has made reading and spelling exponentially harder for today's students. My last point is the tragedy of no longer teaching cursive. The students of today cannot write their own signature let alone read John Hancock's.
I took phonics way way back in elementary in the late 70s. Looking back, I always thought is was a decent way to learn. Also electric company T I O N, shun shun shun :P
Load More Replies...The use of anagrams is getting ridiculous. So are emojis. I mean kids are sending emojis cause it's quicker than typing things out but it also confuses the older generations. They code their messages so parents won't understand
To me, it's a lot quicker to type it out than to look for the emoji. Although it might just be because my phone is kinda old and the emoji list isn't that well-organized
Load More Replies...I'm in my thirthies and in high school I was the student who was always writing their essay directly in pen without a draft, and without doing any mistake. I think it was mainly because I was mostly reading books and ometimes webpages (before the internet 2.0). I definitely saw my spelling and grammar getting worse in the last decade, and I directly attribute it to reading more and more textos, social media posts and etc. with a lot of mistakes. We unlearn as fast as we learn.
This is whY i'm so glad that my parents thought it was super important for me to learn spelling as a kid. Like, they entered me into a bunch of spelling bees and drilled words into my head. (And I actually kind of liked doing it btw, they said I could quit whenever) Not to say my parents are supposedly amazing and better than everyone else’s because oh looky, i know spelling, but it definitely did help me. I have noticed my spelling skills deteriorating in the last few years though probably because I’m reading less and using autocorrecting programs more. They’re not bad, but I’m having to think less. IDK.
I teach in the United States at the high school level. The big thing I see is kids who have been helicoptered and catered to, who have all gotten trophies and goody bags, who have been given much with nothing expected in return, which is not how humans are wired. This has made students anxious and afraid of everything. They’ve never been allowed to fail, so they’ve never had the best opportunities to learn or figured out all they can do. They can not operate independently. In addition to native speakers, I teach immigrant and refugee ELLs, and the vast majority of those kids are 100% happier, more secure, and far higher functioning in the world. They know how to navigate. They understand hard work. And they aren’t scared of every damn new thing they might face. Ubiquitous electronic escapes don’t help.
Yes!!! Have you ever seen those things about what "gifted kids" turn into, and how they're like all really depressed and scared of failure? I was one of those gifted kids and I'm terrified of doing less than perfect even now. I'm getting better at it but it still sucks.
Succeeding only teaches you the test wasn't hard enough. Failure teaches you where you need to improve.
Succeeding with barely any effort tells you the test wasn't hard enough. Working hard and succeeding means you tried hard enough
Load More Replies...Three of my four parents are teachers with 20+ years experience. Their most commonly cited differences include: 1) Way more kids who used to be in special classes or schools now integrated into regular classes, basically to give them more dignity, cause constant disruptions and require so much attention it drags high-performing students down. 2) Way less patience among students in general. 3) Parents take kids' side way, way more often and look at the teacher as their personal employee, rather than as someone deserving of respect. 4) Kids obsession with screens--specifically how it mirrors their PARENTS' obsession with screens. My stepmom was literally telling a story about how she was in a parent-teacher conference talking about how this kid needed a lot more time away from screens and was totally unable to focus, and then the kid's mom looked up from her phone and goes "Sorry, what? I wasn't paying attention." IN THE CONFERENCE. 5) Kids just flat-out understanding that they have all the real power--they're not going to get corporal punishment, they're not going to get flunked and held back, and any bad behavior or academic failure on their part is going to be met with excuses, diagnosis, and special treatment. Yeah, all three of my parents are glad they're retiring soon, and all say they'd never get into teaching if they were graduating today.
I guess that somebody believes that whipping a 10 year old was an effective discipline tool, rather than a way to create an abusive a*****e. Yep, the kid will maybe not talk back to the teacher, but you cane bet your a*s that the kid will take this out on some poor kid half his size.
I believe there’s a middle ground between doing nothing and resorting to corporal punishment that can teach that actions have consequences and right have responsibilities. Because, as adults in the big bad world that doesn’t give two shits about them, these kids are in for a HUGE and unpleasant shock when they pull the shenanigans their parents got them out of trouble for, and their bosses, landlords, the power company, and the police DON’T let them out of trouble, even if their parents show up and try to bulldoze them out of it.
Load More Replies...The old stereotype of the dedicated teacher soldiering on into old age is gone. Teachers these days bail as soon as they have the points for retirement.
Well, if I were a teacher, I wouldn't want to spend any more time than necessary in that shithole.
Load More Replies...Seems hypocritical that the teacher earlier in this thread complaining about all students caring about is "getting their ticket punched" when they themselves are doing the exact same thing.
There are now and always have been students who require a specialized, self-contained classroom with a special educator. It is unfair to all students to put moderate to severe special needs students; especially those who need a one-to-one aid, in a regular classroom for their four core academics. Specials, gym, recess, and lunch should be inclusive.
We had a gifted program I was in 1st grade through graduation, thank goodness. There were times when I was bored out of my mind. Also, a few of us would be moved to a higher grade class for reading or math. That was a very good idea. 1st grade math was flash card type addition and subtraction. I had already mastered long multiplication/division (thanks, Mawie).
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My wife's a teacher, only for the past 6 years as well, but she says even in thay time she's noticed massive differences in the kids and how they seem to be losing respect.
Seems to be their parents had low respect for authorities and they've taught their kids to be even worse.
The problem is, kids know how to exploit their rights these days, their parents teach them that noone can touch or hurt them no matter what they do, so they use that to their advantage to get away with anything... They basically walk all over the teachers unless the teacher is really stern, but even then some kids are really disrespectful.
It's no wonder people don't want to teach anymore tbh. Low salary, the work is piling up higher than ever because of the immense amounts of paperwork and the kids are disrespectful.
I had to speak with a parent after their child repeatedly pushed me. "Well, why aren't you getting out out of his way so he won't do it?" If I am kneeling helping another child, and their son didn't want to go around the table, he would full on knock me over. But it was my fault for not standing up, stepping to the side to let him pass instead of him going the other way.
I do not know why we do not hear about more teachers b***h slapping students because some clearly could use a light beating.
Load More Replies...Yep. Kids can be physically abusive to teachers and others and no one can lay a hand on them. I'm sorry, but any kid who hits a teacher deserves a foot in the a*s. Everyone needs to know at a young age that there will always be someone bigger than they are who can take them down a peg. It's ridiculous that kids can behave like little violent, tyrants and everyone just tolerates this behavior because we are so worried about their delicate egos.
You spelled Manners wrong. I've found that having manners is both a lost art and even ridiculed in some places.
Changes in technology have made parents think the teacher is accessible at all times. these parents are, after all, digital natives. My wife gets texts from parents during class, during dinner, at 11pm, etc and the parents are furious if she doesn’t respond within the hour. Parents also expect to be able to see their child’s grade at all times - basically an assignment is turned in at the start of the day and they want to see the updated grades by end of day. Kids are the same, it’s the parents who are so dramatically different.
I only respond to parents OR my school colleagues during working hours. I turn my phone off and leave it in my office at my house. People know I won't respond if it's after 4 p.m. (Some colleagues have gotten round that by messaging me on FB but then it's colleagues I trust enough to be FB friends with and they would only message me in an emergency.)
Parents phoning during school time, demanding a certain teacher - who is in the middle of teaching. A genuine emergency can be dealt with by office staff, but some parents won't give information they just demand to be put through. One parent I heard of sent highly emotional emails to a teacher at 3 or 4 in the morning - followed by angry ones at 7 or 8 as she had not responded already. Horrid way for teacher to wake up in the morning. Now she forwards mail sent like this to management and safeguarding, as blocking a parent would not help the child. Unfortunately, this also means (for her own emotional well being) she no longer checks school email before getting in to school, so she sometimes misses important information. What other jobs have people feeling so entitled to say what ever they want to you 24/7?
Text is great! We can leave it until a convenient time to respond.
As parent of brilliant but sometimes lazy sons, it was helpful for me to know right away if work was not being done or turned in.
My wife's been a middle school teacher for 21 years. She says: 1. Parents are much more entitled and prone to complaining about their kids' 'rights' in school, instead of their responsibilities. 2. Kids are way more privileged than in the 90s. They demand things that were unheard of 20+ years ago. 3. Cell phones are a critical issue. See #1 above--parents are often more of a problem on this one than kids. Some parents will yell, scream, threaten, and otherwise *demand* their child's constant access to smartphones. It's often frightening. 4. Sexuality: Thanks to hip hop and general culture, creepily overt sexuality is far more common. Not the frequency of sex necessarily, but the constant content of everything. Breaking up 13-year-old girls grinding their a*s on young boys at dances, etc. is now a common thing. 5. Social media: Social media is a constant, oppressive and emotional thing in kids' lives. Overall, kids seem noticeably less happy and 'kid like' than 20+ years ago. 6. "Baby adult" syndrome: Kids are treated as baby adults (instead of kids), and their development shows it. The progression of development almost seems broken today. Conversely, the 'never need to become an adult' infantilization of grownups has a powerful effect on kids--adults forever role-playing life as 'children' in costume and behavior, rather than accepting and growing into adulthood and accepting responsibility for the world and those younger. My wife gave a presentation a few years ago, and this is cribbed from it.
4 - I think teenagers want to feel older and more mature sometimes, and they mimic the adults they see. I think they always have. So I don't think the overly sexual problem begins and ends with teens. I think it goes from kids to adults.
Yes, but I wish I wasn't dragged into it by my friends :< I feel like I get sexualized by them for no apparent reason, like when we were playing a game of "who's most likely to" and they all said I would be most likely to be a pornstar and a stripper! Sorry about my rant-
Load More Replies...The phone thing: I was speaking with the Principal of a small private school (Classical) and he told me that new students AND their parents sign off in writing that the students are required to turn off and shelve their phones upon arrival, may have them for 15 minutes after lunch, then back on the shelf until dismissal. Most of the kids, he said, were good with this, but the parents! One woman called one Friday insisting that her daughter must be given her phone RIGHT NOW. The school official said that if it was an emergency they would get the student to the office immediately. Mom said it was an emergency. Student arrives, talks to mom about what clothes she's going to wear on a shopping trip on Saturday. Obviously not emergency. Student hangs up and starts crying, and says she'll be in public school by Monday, but she likes this school. Sure enough, mother came in Monday, and after her demand for her daughter to have her phone with her was repeatedly denied, she pulled the girl out
This seems to come from someone that unfairly generalized the younger generations rather than trying to see the reasons behind why this may be coming to their attention. They're kids, as op says, after all. Don't look down on them. It's rarely their fault.
Yeah I think we're blaming a lot of these problems on the kids and not the parents and adults in their lives.
Load More Replies...The school I work at banned cellphones (primary school: Grade 1 to 7). If a child brings a phone, we take it away and put it in the office safe, and make the parents pay a R100 (about $7) fine to get it back. If they MUST have a phone (for example to use Uber to get home), the teacher locks up the phone until the end of the day. We have the blessing of the local police station, especially because our kids are young and criminals get to know which schools allow phones, and they would literally mug kids for their phones! (We've had kids mugged for their branded school bags before.) We also tell the parents we won't allow phones because if another child steals the phone, the parents will expect the school to get it back. And we won't. (I've had that before, when a child brought a phone, another child took it, and the parent wanted me to give him the number of the other parents. This is against policy. I refused.)
I have been a teacher for 22 years and the changes I see are : - parental complaints from parents who want to be a friend to their child and unquestionably believe what their child says. Children have always gone home and slagged off their teachers but when I started I never had to deal with an enraged parent who had bought a child’s view of what happened. I am always happy to talk with a parent and I want any child I teach to be happy and comfortable in my classroom but this isn’t about helping a child. These parental rages are about protecting a child from learning and from consequences. I pity their children even when it is the child’s lies that led to the complaint. - sexualisation of children - often a result of unfettered internet access. The amount of sexual abuse that children suffer and the perversion of how they see themselves and their sexuality is depressing. They imagine that they should approach the most extreme sexual practices without hesitation because they see so much porn. (I am pro porn and happy for any consenting adult to do any sex act they want - I just don’t want an 11 year old to think that’s what they have to do.) - loneliness - I watch groups of kids sitting in silence on their phones everyday. Not a word exchanged. Lots of humour and group observations get missed that way - they can’t navigate their own world so effectively as they are trying to manage their online world. - fear of the written word - large page of texts are never used. Everything is a paragraph and a picture - so we structure their thinking for them. - sexual abuse - is more discussed. It still happens a lot but we have more systems to help the children now. When I first started I was given a child yo help who had been raped by her father and was pregnant as a result. Her mother was going to chuck her out if she had an abortion and had supported the father as he had raped both his daughters for years. I was 22 and clueless- no one else helped. If that happened today I would have at least three people in school who are trained and would help the girl (and her mother.) I am so glad I am not a teenager today. I was a b***h about my teachers and I would have had no sense at all when given the world of the internet. I love the kids I work with. I am so proud of them and think they will find a way through the quagmire. Things will get better.
Okay not saying I disagree, but again, a lot of this comes from s**t parenting. Which a lot of us parents now, also had
The epitome of which is the forced birther mother married to the child rapist. Law enforcement and child services should’ve been called ASAP, as there were other children also abused by him.
Load More Replies...I'm a lot less lonely than I used to be thanks to the Internet. I keep a lot of friends that I've known over a decade in the box under my desk, people I never would have met and would never be able to socialize with in real life.
They used to actually read books.
The only ones who do still read mostly stick to the YA series of the moment, most of which are written at about a 5th grade level. My students are primarily 8th and 9th graders.
We have a well-stocked bookshelf at our after-school (and we used to keep stacks of current magazines as well). Students would regularly browse for something to read during break times and before and after class. Now, invariably, every single one of them is staring at a phone.
Not everyone enjoys reading. That’s okay. Coming from someone who does enjoy reading
Oh God I HATE reading. It's miserable. And I was made to feel so incredibly inferior growing up. I was always the idiot who couldn't read. Like that was a major part of my worth and intelligence.
Load More Replies...I think recommending online libraries and books you can read on a pad or a phone might help. It's just way easier to read something like lord of the rings on screen than from a physical book, cause heck that thing is heavy. And as a plus you can just copy and search if you run into something you're not familiar with
They tried that at my HS, it failed miserably. Everybody thought it sucked, I was no exception. To really get "into" a book, I need to hold it, flip through it, smell it, and do a bunch of other ritual c**p that e-books can't provide.
Load More Replies...I've been an avid reader all my life. Sophomore year we were issued school tablets with which we could access a virtual library of ebooks. Awesome! I thought. Now I can check out and return books anywhere and don't have to wait even a minute to get another book! I started reading 3 books a week. Near the end of the year one of the librarians pulled me aside...and gave me a free book as part of a program to encourage kids who "don't read much".
Idk I went to school in the early 2000s, I was an avid reader, but I don't remember anyone else ever reading during break times... I remember for example, some kids would go play ping pong, others went to the playground... Not everyone likes reading and that's okay.
Hahahahaha, NOT true, this is the generation that has read the most books in the last 50 years XD
モンスターペアレント (monster parents)
at least that is what my Japanese uncle, who is a teacher, told me. Basically parents, who do not see the fault in their children but the teacher if the grades of the child are bad or something in the likes.
I wanted to hear some stories from him, but my uncle's been very discreet about it, he just mentioned that there have been an increasing number over the years (although by far not the majority) and that is all I need to know.
Edit: Changed "discrete" to "discreet".
One parent would let her child bunk school almost constantly. He missed an exam and our policy is to give zero without a doctor's note. The mom swore up and down that the child had brought one. I looked in my records and only found one for a different date. The mother wrote a note to me that her child has said he "handed you the note and you threw it in the waste bin". Yes, you crazy beeyatch, because that's where I keep the doctor's notes!! I caved and gave him the class average just to avoid a nasty scene with my boss, because she would have believed the lying parent and child over me.
My mom never did that. Woe unto me if I twisted what happened into a narrative to make me in the "right". She won though, I'm not a lawyer of a politician.
Accountability. Nothing is EVER their fault. There is always a reason or excuse. Why are you late? Because my locker is far from the class. Why were you using your phone? Well the bell hadn't rang. Why haven't you started to work? I don't have a pen...
Once again, someone blaming kids for being kids. If you want them to be adults, change the legal age and don't make them go to school 🤔🙃
Kids being kids only goes so far. What, according to you, is the magic age at which kids no longer get to be kids and have to start being accountable for their actions? Should they not be held accountable for any of their actions prior to this age?
Load More Replies...Well, the locker thing could be legit. I’m 61, and had that problem myself when I was in high school in the 1970s. The answer to that is to allow a couple more minutes to change classes. If it takes 7 minutes for a physically fit teenager to sprint across campus from their locker, which is next to their first period classroom, to their second period classroom, then a 5 minute class change time limit is unfair. As to the other stuff, if they don’t immediately hang the phone up when the bell rings, or come to class prepared (pens, paper, textbooks, etc), then that’s a different matter entirely—-not the school’s fault, but their own.
The phone thing is down to school policy and enforcement. If the policy is phones off and in bags in the class room - and is enforced by all teachers - there should be a consequence. If children are allowed to use phones as they like during brakes, and many teachers allow/ encourage use of phones to Google/ organise / take photos of board / listen to music during quite tasks - then this OP is being a d**k. If a child is not working because they do not have a pen, why haven't they raised their hand to ask for one? I suspect this is the type of teacher who gets angry either way, so kids know not to bother asking for help. Some kids struggle to organise - help them. Everyone forgets something sometimes, help them too. I know a few teachers who keep class boxes, so kids can leave stuff in the room if it helps.
Load More Replies...If you don’t want them to answer the question, don’t ask it. Kids aren’t wired the way adults are. The proper way to handle this behavior is to be direct: “Mr. So&So, please don’t use your phone in class… bc then consequence is x” then you MUST follow through on the consequence. That’s how you teach accountability.
I feel like the first two are legitimate, but the last one about not having a writing utensil is hella dumb. It's school, what do you mean you don't have a pen???
The student would definitely be irresponsible by not having a pen/pencil, but sometimes, it's partially because the teacher is excessively strict and gets mad when students ask to borrow a pencil because they don't have one
Load More Replies...Taking personal responsibility, for most, has to be learnt (and taught). The examples this person has used are not good ones. If you ask anyone (child or adult) 'Why are you late?' you seem to be asking for an excuse or reason, so why on earth get mad when you are given one? What response is acceptable? Do they expect 'I was chatting with my friends, and lost track of time so when the bell went I realized my book was in my locker at the other side of school from my class. After 2 hours of sitting in a class learning, 15 minutes to go to the toilet, fill my water bottle, stand in line for a snack, eat my snack, go to locker and get to class does not leave enough time to chat with friends. Sorry I am a child and forgot this, but to be fair most adults get a little chat time.' Sometimes when a kid is late to my room, I tell them I was staring to worry and ask if there is a problem. Often it does come down to a logistic of the time table that makes certain brakes hard somedays.
If you're older than a millennial you will agree with this and if you are an employer you will definitely agree with this.
You can't let the teachers raise the kids. If they're too nasty, the parents get mad. School from my son had a rule that if you forgot anything, a book, pen, you had to stay for an hour after class. No school here does that, only this one did. His dad got mad. If they dared let him stay for an hour, he'd put him in another school, but for the rest it's a great school, so I packed his bag and even took the bus to his school a few times when he forgot to pack something. I don't know if his dad talked to them, but now he doesn't have that rule anymore. It's weird, because if you work and you have a course, noone gets mad at you when you forget a pen. They give you one. Also loads of ppl in my country can work part time. My kids have to make more hours than me. My other son thought it was unfair he didn't get paid to go to school. I get paid when I have a course. It was funny and I did think he had a point. Lol let teachers pay you when you're so kind to listen to them for an hour.
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An increase in helicopter parents
Mine sets her own study plan and we never fight about grades, just how she can improve. She's doing well, despite the high school move to private on a scholarship and the harder work. I'm blessed
Not a teacher but everyone in my family is. I had a teacher tells us kids learn differently now then before because of video games. (This was before Smartphones.) I called BS and said kids learn the same way they had years ago, it was teaching that was different. The teacher agreed and said they use to teacher in a spiral. Going over things over and over while teaching different subjects. Now, she said, they have to teach a subject and more on. If the kid didn't get it, oh well. I called it the "Hit and Run" teaching style. Others call it "Teaching for the test." I know my kids not perfect. I had a principal call me into school because Jr. was failing math. Everyone was walking on egg shells because my darling was failing and they didn'tknow how to get him to pass. I said, "Let him fail, maybe then he will learn to turn in his homework!" I thought the teachers and principal were going to faint. "I wish more parents were like you." he said. Sadly, most parents aren't and it shows. Advice from an older parent, parent like your grandparent or great grandparents.
Yeah why would you just have a talk w the teacher and kid, he's not doing well with math, oh, what can I do about it? You can take these home to teach him and use that website. Thankyou. Give him some extra lessons and he gets it and is doing great. Teach him that the teachers don't mind if he asks em stuff. Problem solved. No lets just go do your own thing and good luck kid.
I was lucky. My Mawie was a CPA with a master's in mathematics. She kept me two years ahead of school in that department.
So a new teaching style compounded with "no one gets left behind" mentality 🤔 No wonder kids don't learn anything
Jesus. This person is functionally illiterate and she's arguing with teachers. I bet she's a real gem.
I have 13 years of teaching experience. What I have noticed most is that the current society is really starting to infect our students. The general angst and anxiety that is being experienced by the parents is trickling down to the students. There are more anxious kids that are having a lot of trouble controlling their bodies and emotions. Many more in number than there used to be. Even the general population overall is more on edge. They are a lot angrier and a lot sadder than they used to be. And I work with all ages from 4-18. The world is full of fear and anger, and it's becoming a definite factor in the raising of these young people. It's almost unbearably sad. But you do what you can to bring some light into their lives, and help them experience empathy for others because we all learn differently.
My mom has been a teacher for 18 years. Biggest difference I’ve noticed in her stories is that kids have gotten physically more violent. She thinks it is because parents let their kids do what ever they want to with little to no discipline.
Kindergarten teacher. I have been hit, punched, kicked, slapped, hair pulled, pushed and bit by kids. I have had several try to stab me with pencils/scissors. They have a lot of big emotions, and are not being taught ways to process them. If they are told "wait/no", they become angry and react with what has worked at home to get what they want. Parents seem to not want to be parents anymore, but their child's friend instead. But then are confused when the kids are out of control.
yep, this. there are a lot more fistfights and stuff. I pretty clearly remember being in ninth grade and one of my friends walking in with his friend and they both were like, “Oh and there were two more fistfights at lunch.” my teacher just was kind of like, “WHAT?!”
20 years ago when I was in high school, my freshmen English teacher who had been teaching for 30 years said, "The only difference I notice between kids today and kids from when I started teaching is that the kids today are a lot less optimistic about the world they are inheriting."
I've been a teacher for 15 years, and the difference I notice is in what the kids like. You don't realize how quickly pop-culture turns over until you find out a 4 year old reference is dated for kids.
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Meaning that older teacher started their career in the sixties—-the middle of the Cold War, when the very real threat of nuclear annihilation hung over everyone’s heads everyday, and a “live for today because there’s no tomorrow” attitude prevailed—-yet young people today are LESS optimistic. Even though the Cold War ended, for the most part, with Glasnost and the Berlin Wall coming down, we have made other grave mistakes since that have not improved the world and our children’s futures at all. We failed, and must do better. NOW!
The big thing is, now instead of the threat of possible nuclear annihilation, it's the threat of that as we get more aggressive nuclear powers, and the seemingly predetermined death by climate change
Load More Replies...I'm a sensitive person and was anxious as a kid because of "duck and cover" drills in school and because my uncle was in a place called Vietnam fighting for his life. I can't imagine what I'd be like if I was a kid today.
My mum has been a teacher for over 30 years. The children's span of attention has dropped significantly over the years. They don't focus on one thing for too long, lose interest quickly and often seem like they don't even hear what they are told. Their writing style has also changed. Writing in short-hand has become common and they're not as creative anymore. Of course, that is a generalisation and some kids are still great.
Respect and having support at home. So many kids these days have no support at home and it really shows.
Bro if you think the previous generation was more wholesome.... let me tell you about some real trauma, vs kind but present parenting. My daughter is supported by both sides of her family, always gets remarks on how polite and kind she is, and I've never laid a hand on her. Looking at my generation.... it was normal to get smacked or seriously emotionally or mentally abused and people thought they brought us up so well..... but really, we just learned what's not acceptable once we became adults
Physical abuse is worse than lack of support, but lack of support is still abusive.
Load More Replies...I have realized from my 12 years at school that the "good" kids are the ones who get the most help at home. Saying this as a so-called "good kid" who had to do a 20-minute math excersize (exersize, excercize...can someone please help me?) lead by my college-professor father every night.
lol. I was an 80's latchkey kid. No one parented me. If I raised my child the way my mom raised me, I would have CSS at my door and a possible court date on the horizon.
Only been a teacher for 10 years, but I can tell a huge difference in just the last 5! Cell phones are the biggest problem. We can not get them out of their hands. As a school we tried to ban the phones all together, but it was the parents that fought it! I can only take the student’s phone for the lesson, not the full school day as we once did. On the playground, the kids check their phones, text, snap chat, play games - hardly talking to each other. I get bumped in to daily and sometimes knocked over because students do not look while waking- faces in their screens. Nothing phases them, I can call them up to my desk for a chat (if they misbehaved) and they casually glide up, smirking. 5 years ago, they would be rattled to be spoken to by the teacher. Parent support and involvement in school has gone down.
I call them cellphone zombies. It’s a wonder they don’t walk into and trip over more stuff because they’re physically in motion but mentally standing still.
my dad used to work on the stuff under the footpath re phone cables etc, he said even orange traffic cones and waist height bars aren't enough to warn pedestrians now. You gotta shout out at some if you don't want them sticking their leg in a hole and breaking it
Load More Replies...10 years here, but I'd say the change is from the teachers. I was an energetic world changing super hero at the start. Now I'm just tired. Also screens.
Kids are a lot better looking now, somehow?
I miss my snaggle-tooth awkward dorkmeisters from the early 2000s. These days, everyone's got sleek hair and impeccable brows.
I think there's some truth to this. Earlier tonight I was watching a music video from 1966 with children in it and thinking that I don't see children that look like that anymore.
Ummm.....weird...really weird for this to get the attention of a teacher.
Smart phones have decreased a lot of desire. The phone is an amazing tool, I have my students use them in class for various things, but, I would say 20% of my students have a true blue-screen addiction. You can see the anxiety in their eyes when asked to put their phone away.
Been in education for 20 years. Most of the biggest changes in children I have seen are those problems caused by adults. Lack of good and common sense parenting combined with parents spending too much time on social media creating drama for attention that their children then mimic in school. We forget that most young children are like parrots. They will mimic what ever we tell them or show them. So while we always had a few children with behaviour and mental problems we made it worse by telling children "they might have" these problems. Some parents even using these to try and excuse their bad parenting or children using them as an excuse for their behaviour or to gain attention. We are doing it again by telling children about gender choices. Young children don't really understand it and just think it is something trendy to say or try. Trust me, we know which children really have gender identity problems, even as young as 4!
I'm a music teacher. They say "Can I restart?" instead of "Can I start again?" I blame/credit video games.
Restart is a legitimate word in the English dictionary that was in use way back in the 1800s, it literally means "start again", I don't think you can really fault a kid for using a real english language word.
and it's less syllables. I don't think this one is valid.
Load More Replies...Why are you complaining? That’s a word. Sorry the word ‘restart’ isn’t as respectful and posh as ‘May I start over?’
Persistence- kids hit an obstacle and give up. There is a strong reliance on parents to fix things. Bullying has become the new bullying. Everything is not bullying and kids aren’t required to be friends with everyone. It is ok to not be friends with all your classmates as long as you respect them. And finally- no one takes the bus anymore. The line of parents picking up starts forming one hour before school gets out. I think that has contributed to a lack of independence. Full disclosure- I pick up my kids everyday too.
I was listening to the radio yesterday and they had a teacher on with 30 years experience.
He observed that many parents don't have a love for parenting anymore and that lack of passion passes onto the child to the point where the child doesn't have a positive role model in the home.
The results of this is that some children have a lack of morals and standards compared to children from past generations.
Wow! This says a LOT. My kids are older and, while I certainly wasn't always the perfect mom, I enjoyed every moment. My kids are both hard-working, kind hearted, polite, and respectful 95% of the time. The other 5% I will forgive because people are aholes and my kids aren't perfect either. I am still parenting them even as they are close to 30. No phones once food is served and we try to not have them out while we wait. Just gained my first grandchild and already I can see my kid's parenting styled after ours. Kids teach what they learned. Don't be afraid to let them fail. And please... be the mean parent. Not physically unless it swat works but say NO firmly and stand by it. Consequences are earned; let them experience the pain.
I've been doing it 10 years and I have seen a change already. My students have gone from quiet respectful, attentive students to non stop phone attachment. Forget it if you try to instruct them and ask them to put the phone away. They will curse you out in front of the class without regret or remorse. Then calling the parents is a joke. They either dont pick up or if they do they just dont care. I have 216 students this year (high school) and I could easily say only 10 actually care to learn and listen. The rest are happy with a D because 4 Ds in a year is PASSING.
I mean… do you blame them? They’ve seen what is happening to the Gen above them. Millenials worked REALLY HARD, did it all right, went to college and got degrees…. And now we can’t afford to buy a home, have kids, or even feed ourselves sometimes. So why bother if that’s what you get for working hard?
Grades. Students and parents expect only A's and B's on report cards. The amount of paperwork and meetings needed to give a child a D or an F is insane. If a student does receive an F, they just have to sit in front of a computer on Saturdays and their grade changes.
I first became a teacher nearly 30 years ago (though I did do some other jobs in that time). I've been in Japan over 25 years now, and have been at the same school for 18 of those years. I've noticed that there are far more students with anxiety and depression than there used to be.
It is easy to make this about kids, recreational electronics and technology, and education. But in the US we have 30% ro 40% of the ADULT, voting population that remains willfully stupid and willingly submits to insane conspiracy ideas, blatant lies, and racial and cultural hatred THAT is the major change that should be of concern.
I've taught ESL to adults in Taiwan for over forty years. Ever since the authorities reformed education in the 1990s and emphasized English, students' English ability has plummeted. My understanding is that they are under so much pressure to learn English, the students take the initiative the only way they can: they refuse to learn. There are still some with excellent English, but in general, ability has plunged and dragged enthusiasm with it. The 1990s reforms also conversely gave students more pressure and turned trade schools, where students learned useful skills, into universities, where they get pretty diplomas.
I became a teacher almost 30 years ago, 4 - 8 year olds. First school I worked at was for the "problem" children who were slow to learn. As the weeks went by I got to know them and realised that at just 5 some of them had major problems with sitting still the whole time time and that after maybe 30-45 minutes they were up and down and being disruptive and I realised that they had a lot of energy that they couldn't get rid of. Today they would be labelled as having adhd. Instead i took an approach that hadn't been done before. I talked to the headmistress and asked if I could try an experiment and she was interested and said go for it. Every 45 minutes my whole class got to run laps for 15 minutes which dropped their energy levels enough so they could sit down and concentrate without any problems for the 45 minutes. Yes, a few started getting twitchy about 30 minutes into the 45 minutes and they were allowed to run on the spot until they could run laps again. The teacher in the
I went to school my classes started at 8am, and lasted 45minutes. Next class at 9am, and again 15min break before next class. After moving to Ireland where classes ran minute to minute and you get a small break after third class and then three more classes and a lunch break. Otherwise it's just constant. I was better with breaks, and chance to rest head before jumping into new topic was beneficial. College had Same hour to hour lectures, and under stress to be best at exam. Doing masters now and we are back to extensive breaks, or discussion time and it's more interactive instead of learning of material. I feel like these days too much effort is put into controlling every student and their time, than trying to put interest and motivation back into learning. I personally feel too much pressure is put on achieving obedience rather than acquire knowledge and explore new
Load More Replies...Pt 2: If your friend protests about having to work their regular 8 hr/day job in addition to the classroom preparation to be a guest teacher, just tell them they can spread their effort out and write the lesson after work at their convenience, or, on the weekends -- just like regular teachers, but without the pressure of a deadline. Tell them to take as long as they like, but ask them to keep track of their hours. Once they write a lesson and the 'pre' and 'post' tests, congratulate them; ask IF they want to do a second ‘prep’/preparation (another lesson to teach that day) which is what all secondary teachers do. (Ex: A Humanities/Social Studies teacher might teach the Constitution (Freedom of Speech unit) in the morning and 20th Century World History in the afternoon.) Given the hours they’ve already spent, they will probably decline. That’s okay, the point will have been made. Just have them double the hours they’ve spent to approximate what a regular teacher does to get ready so the satisfying part of teaching - - really educating students - - can be accomplished. . . ps: Before your friend presents the lesson, remind them to set aside time to grade the tests so students can receive feedback and the regular classroom teacher can record the results.
Pretty much all of these observations are anecdotal. As such they cannot be taken to be indicators of widespread changes in a generation of young people. But one thing is pretty certain...a reported observation DOES let you know about the observer and the observer's perspective...and some of these are strange and sad perspectives.
I would say most of these are a result of the parents and certain teaching styles
it's very interesting to read these as one of the "kids these days"
I have taken two things from this thread. 1. Education has been forced to dumb down because “no child left behind”. Don’t mistake my hostility towards this stance as hostility towards those who have to work harder. When I came from, the enlightened supported their colleagues. We’ve been marching for decades, just sayin 2. Kids today think we had it easy. Not true, reach out and ask.
Pt 1: TL/DR Get people who are critical of education into the classroom as guest teachers. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... If parents and non-teachers could read information and really understand what the teachers were trying to convey, the problems in education would be half-way solved. . . Unfortunately, learning through reading is hard and it isn’t very effective at getting people to change their minds. . . . . Experience really is the only teacher. . . . If you have a friend who doubts what experienced teachers say, invite them to be a guest teacher. ... Get them in the classroom! ... Since every school in the US has guest teachers who give presentations to students, it's easy to be a teacher for a day (or longer). Offer to help your teacher critical friend write a lesson in the 'Core Curriculum'* involving either History, English, Math or Science. To become a guest teacher only requires a telephone call. Offer to make the phone call for your friend and offer to help them write their 50 min. lesson. If you can get them to say, "Yes", and then actually do it, then offer to help them write the 'pre' and 'post' tests to Check For Understanding (CFU).
I first became a teacher nearly 30 years ago (though I did do some other jobs in that time). I've been in Japan over 25 years now, and have been at the same school for 18 of those years. I've noticed that there are far more students with anxiety and depression than there used to be.
It is easy to make this about kids, recreational electronics and technology, and education. But in the US we have 30% ro 40% of the ADULT, voting population that remains willfully stupid and willingly submits to insane conspiracy ideas, blatant lies, and racial and cultural hatred THAT is the major change that should be of concern.
I've taught ESL to adults in Taiwan for over forty years. Ever since the authorities reformed education in the 1990s and emphasized English, students' English ability has plummeted. My understanding is that they are under so much pressure to learn English, the students take the initiative the only way they can: they refuse to learn. There are still some with excellent English, but in general, ability has plunged and dragged enthusiasm with it. The 1990s reforms also conversely gave students more pressure and turned trade schools, where students learned useful skills, into universities, where they get pretty diplomas.
I became a teacher almost 30 years ago, 4 - 8 year olds. First school I worked at was for the "problem" children who were slow to learn. As the weeks went by I got to know them and realised that at just 5 some of them had major problems with sitting still the whole time time and that after maybe 30-45 minutes they were up and down and being disruptive and I realised that they had a lot of energy that they couldn't get rid of. Today they would be labelled as having adhd. Instead i took an approach that hadn't been done before. I talked to the headmistress and asked if I could try an experiment and she was interested and said go for it. Every 45 minutes my whole class got to run laps for 15 minutes which dropped their energy levels enough so they could sit down and concentrate without any problems for the 45 minutes. Yes, a few started getting twitchy about 30 minutes into the 45 minutes and they were allowed to run on the spot until they could run laps again. The teacher in the
I went to school my classes started at 8am, and lasted 45minutes. Next class at 9am, and again 15min break before next class. After moving to Ireland where classes ran minute to minute and you get a small break after third class and then three more classes and a lunch break. Otherwise it's just constant. I was better with breaks, and chance to rest head before jumping into new topic was beneficial. College had Same hour to hour lectures, and under stress to be best at exam. Doing masters now and we are back to extensive breaks, or discussion time and it's more interactive instead of learning of material. I feel like these days too much effort is put into controlling every student and their time, than trying to put interest and motivation back into learning. I personally feel too much pressure is put on achieving obedience rather than acquire knowledge and explore new
Load More Replies...Pt 2: If your friend protests about having to work their regular 8 hr/day job in addition to the classroom preparation to be a guest teacher, just tell them they can spread their effort out and write the lesson after work at their convenience, or, on the weekends -- just like regular teachers, but without the pressure of a deadline. Tell them to take as long as they like, but ask them to keep track of their hours. Once they write a lesson and the 'pre' and 'post' tests, congratulate them; ask IF they want to do a second ‘prep’/preparation (another lesson to teach that day) which is what all secondary teachers do. (Ex: A Humanities/Social Studies teacher might teach the Constitution (Freedom of Speech unit) in the morning and 20th Century World History in the afternoon.) Given the hours they’ve already spent, they will probably decline. That’s okay, the point will have been made. Just have them double the hours they’ve spent to approximate what a regular teacher does to get ready so the satisfying part of teaching - - really educating students - - can be accomplished. . . ps: Before your friend presents the lesson, remind them to set aside time to grade the tests so students can receive feedback and the regular classroom teacher can record the results.
Pretty much all of these observations are anecdotal. As such they cannot be taken to be indicators of widespread changes in a generation of young people. But one thing is pretty certain...a reported observation DOES let you know about the observer and the observer's perspective...and some of these are strange and sad perspectives.
I would say most of these are a result of the parents and certain teaching styles
it's very interesting to read these as one of the "kids these days"
I have taken two things from this thread. 1. Education has been forced to dumb down because “no child left behind”. Don’t mistake my hostility towards this stance as hostility towards those who have to work harder. When I came from, the enlightened supported their colleagues. We’ve been marching for decades, just sayin 2. Kids today think we had it easy. Not true, reach out and ask.
Pt 1: TL/DR Get people who are critical of education into the classroom as guest teachers. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... If parents and non-teachers could read information and really understand what the teachers were trying to convey, the problems in education would be half-way solved. . . Unfortunately, learning through reading is hard and it isn’t very effective at getting people to change their minds. . . . . Experience really is the only teacher. . . . If you have a friend who doubts what experienced teachers say, invite them to be a guest teacher. ... Get them in the classroom! ... Since every school in the US has guest teachers who give presentations to students, it's easy to be a teacher for a day (or longer). Offer to help your teacher critical friend write a lesson in the 'Core Curriculum'* involving either History, English, Math or Science. To become a guest teacher only requires a telephone call. Offer to make the phone call for your friend and offer to help them write their 50 min. lesson. If you can get them to say, "Yes", and then actually do it, then offer to help them write the 'pre' and 'post' tests to Check For Understanding (CFU).

