I Document How People Protest The New Law That Bans Abortion In Poland (40 Pics)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cywd23g0q1mt/poland https://www.theguardian.com/world/poland https://www.telegraph.co.uk/poland/

There is LOTS of coverage of it in the news, from multiple outlets including the BBC

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(3) I would also like to say that you are entitled to your belief that abortions are wrong etc BUT you and everyone else have NO right to enforce that belief on another woman. If you don’t want an abortion then don’t have one, simple. But preventing others from having safe abortions should NEVER be a choice for you or anyone else to make, only the individual it affects and the medical professional. Not your uterus, not your body, not your choice.

(2) I know that if my mum was pregnant with me and she didn’t want me I would rather be aborted than live in care with the possibility of never having love, home or a family. If I was aborted I wouldn’t even care because I wouldn’t have a clue what was going on anyway. Regarding the twins, they are both human coz I have not said they aren’t human. BUT Amy was a person and sentient being 87 days before Kate was a person and sentient being. I don’t know where you got 100,000 of children needing adoption because that is incorrect. There is estimated that there are between 143 million-210 million children needing adoption worldwide. Imagine adding at least 50 millions more children annually if no abortions were done. We don’t have enough resources for the children we already have let alone adding millions more to the mix. Over 14 million children age out of the system, never being adopted, having no family or home and 10-15% of children in care commit suicide before they turn 18.

TheSneakyNinja, (1) you are contradicting yourself. You say you aren’t suggesting no one ever have sex again if they don’t want kids but also say that if you don’t want kids then don’t have sex. That is just ridiculous. Abortion doesn’t harm children because a foetus is not a child by definition. A child is a person from birth to teenager. Again I never said a foetus is not human, I said it is not a person, again different, look up the definition on that too. You also say you want children to be cared for after birth but just because you say that doesn’t mean it happens. In the ideal world EVERY child would be cared for but that is not always the case. Yes everyone has a risk of suffering in life, I don’t deny that but if every foetus was aborted in case of suffering then that is the end of human civilisation. The fact is there is not enough resources, families etc to deal with all the kids currently needing adoption without adding MILLIONS more.

You cannot alway CHOOSE to not get pregnant just like you can’t CHOOSE when you fall pregnant. As I have said countless times 1 in 100 pregnancies occur because of contraception failure. When a woman is raped they too don’t CHOOSE to fall pregnant. Sorry but I think I may have missed where I wrote a foetus isn’t human, I have said a foetus isn’t a person or a sentient being. Most of what I am saying is based on logic like adoption, abuse, abortion statistics, contraception failures, the reality of life for an unwanted child, the fact abortions will never stop, it will just be unsafe abortions and more. You are ignoring most of my points and mainly focussing on the foetus and not really showing any care for a child once it is born. You are not pro-life, you are pro-birth. As long as an unwanted child is born that is the main thing right? Who cares what happens to the child afterwards hey.

Abortions aren’t done at 30weeks gestation except in SUPER RARE situations where the womans or foetuses life is at risk. Just because a woman is pregnant doesn’t mean the woman is the family of the foetus, she is a vessel and is only family if the woman chooses. That is what I mean and makes perfect sense. Because that part of the brain is not developed when abortions are done that the foetus has no cognitive ability to understand. The difference between you and me is that I am looking at abortions from a logical and realistic stand point and you are looking at it from an emotional stand point.

Do you seriously think that abstinence is realistic, especially in a long term relationship. Sex is not just about procreation, it is also a way to bond with a partner. I am not going the next 20 years without sex with my husband just because I might fall pregnant. That is just ludicrous. I believe that once it is born it can survive outside the womb then it is a person. A foetus is a seperate person when it is born. For example, If a woman is killed in most countries whilst 3 weeks pregnant it isn’t called a double homicide because a foetus is not considered a legal person. Unless the foetus is born and survives momentarily before succumbing to it’s injuries then yes that is double homicide. But if the foetus dies in utero then no. A foetus is considered viable from 24 weeks gestation and onwards, so when majority of abortions are done the foetus isn’t viable anyway. Foetuses do not have memories, tell me do you or do you know ANYONE who remembers being inside a woman’s womb?

About the image you showed I don’t think anything of it, I have had kids so I know the process. Here are some truths you may not be aware of. A foetus has no pain receptors when it is aborted, it also has no awareness to know they are being aborted. When majority of abortions are done the foetus couldn’t survive outside the womb anyway. Are you aware of the mental, emotional, physical and financial toll having a baby brings? A large proportion of children are abused in foster/state care with so many kids ageing out of the system never having a loving home or any sort of family. The resources in the foster care system is stretched to the limits already and the major issues with adding millions more children to the system if no abortions were done is astronomical with a great deal of risk. Many children in care end up turning to crime, drugs and ending up homeless or in jail. There are millions of children who suffer/have suffered in the care system going from home to home with no love or stability. So many unwanted children are also bought up in poverty and with parents with severe drug problems, which can cause foetus drug/alcohol syndrome (look up the symptoms). The fact is you are not being realistic, raising a child isn’t all puppies and rainbows, it is hard work and can take it’s toll. I love my kids more than life itself but they are bloody hard work. Having kids shouldn’t be taken lightly.

In an ideal world women would get pregnant when they choose too but unfortunately that is not always the case. I a, on the most reliable contraception on the market (still not 100% effective) BUT the side effects are awful, I just deal with the side effects because the idea of me falling pregnant fills me with great anxiety. I have told my husband that if my contraception fails I WILL be getting an abortion. I have 2 kids with disabilities, I suffer severe mental health issues and chronic stress. I should not have the burden of following through with an unwanted pregnancy just because some people say so. Not your body, not your life, not your choice. If you don’t want an abortion then easy, don’t have one but you have no right to force your beliefs onto others, especially if you have no idea what the woman is going through. A child is not a temporary thing, a child doesn’t effect a woman or her family temporarily. Having a child changes life DRAMATICALLY and a woman’s body.

(4) I recently had a pregnancy scare even though I am on contraception. I was freaking out and because it was late at night when I realised all my symptoms pointed to pregnancy, it was too late to buy a pregnancy test. So I didn’t get much sleep that night. I kept running through my head what if I am too far along for the abortion medication? What if I can’t access an abortion etc? I then started running things through my mind on how I could give myself an abortion if I couldn’t get it done safely. I thought about stabbing myself in the stomach, buying some long knitting needles, purposefully falling down stairs, jumping in front of a car, getting someone to punch me as hard as possible in the abdomen etc. But then logic stepped in and I realised I live in a country where I have access to safe abortions so I don’t need to think about that stuff. But that just goes to show what someone will do out of desperation. You will NEVER stop abortions, EVER.

(3) How would you stop someone from having an abortion anyway, it’s not like the woman tells everyone that she is pregnant and going to have an abortion and even if you fought for abortions being illegal you STILL can’t stop a woman from having an abortion coz she will just 1. go to another country to get it done or 2. do an unsafe backyard abortion. This study from 2009 says around 62,000 women died from unsafe abortions which is one of the leading causes of maternal mortality (13%) and around 5 million suffer long-term health complications. According to WHO every 8 minutes a woman will die from an unsafe abortion. Some risks include severe hemorrhage, sepsis, poisoning, uterine perforation, or damage to other internal organs. It also increases the risk of incomplete abortions resulting in a deformed/significantly disabled baby. So making abortions legal and safe is vital, not just for the woman but for her loved ones and the foetus.

(2) Abortion is not killing a child because a child by definition is someone between the ages of birth and teenager. Check the definition yourself if you don’t believe me. You say abortion hurts people, but do you understand that pregnancy also hurts people? Why is an unborn foetus more important than me? Is my life so insignificant? Me being pregnant will not just hurt me but it would also hurt my living children, why is it okay to hurt living and breathing people but it’s not okay to abort a foetus that has no feelings or awareness? That is just bullshit and a bit sadistic. A moment that it takes for an abortion can prevent a lifetime of pain for the foetus (for many reasons), the woman and the people around her. You can’t call yourself pro-life because you don’t care about the life of others, only the unborn. You have absolutely NO RIGHT to stop someone from having an abortion, you have absolutely NO idea what that person is going through. It is none of your bloody business.

TheSneakyNinja (1) They are YOUR beliefs and you are entitled to them but you are not entitled to force them onto someone else. YOU may believe abortions are killing a child but that does not mean YOUR belief is the right one. I am not saying that people with the opposite belief is the right one coz it is just that-a belief. You do not have the right to take away a womans choice. And again you say a woman can prevent pregnancy well they can take preventions and still fall pregnant, what part of that do you not understand? Being abstinence forever is just not realistic. I feel like a broken record coz you are asking the same questions in which I have already given answers for. Standing up for the rights of a living and breathing child is completely different so I don’t understand why you keep bringing that up. I never said one is sentiment and one is not, I said sentient. Sentient means able to perceive or feel things, a foetus is NOT a sentient being but a child IS.

They are free to believe in whatever they want as long as they don't impose their beliefs on the others.