30 Things That Nobody Bats An Eye About If It’s A Guy Doing It, But Loses Their Wits If It’s A Woman Doing It, As Listed By Folks Online
No matter how much we talk about equality between men and women, oftentimes stressing how much has already been achieved over decades of hard work, it seems that there are a lot of things that still need to be done, and extensive changes implemented. The problem of double standards between men and women is not that hard to notice, especially in some common everyday life occurrences. Having this in mind, Reddit user @u/killywayx decided to ask people “What is something that is considered ‘normal’ for a man to do, but if a woman does it then they will receive backlash?”.
The question that received 30.5k upvotes and 15k answers showed that no matter how modern our society is, it is still full of old and entrenched behaviors. Some of the examples included things that are related to looks: women not being able to take off their t-shirt while for men it’s quite a normal thing to do, or having to constantly take care of body hair so you won’t be considered messy and neglectful, although for men, it’s not a problem. Some examples also touched upon social issues such as women who don’t want to have kids receiving quite a lot of backlash, whereas it becomes understandable when men don’t want a family. When it comes to career, women who are strong leaders and value proper work ethics are considered cold and emotionless, while men who have the same traits are seen as respectable bosses.
What are some of the things that you have noticed to be considered normal for men but don’t apply to women? Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments down below!
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Have an angry reaction. If it's a woman WAY too many people assume it's PMS or an overreaction.
Getting shouted at constantly by your spouse. For women, it's abuse. But men are just expected to suck it up
No you are not expected to take it. No one, male or female should put up with abuse, physical or verbal. If it doesnt stop, get out and get safe.
Load More Replies...I asked a grumpy colleague if he was Manstrating as he had asked me if I was on my period a few weeks before when I was grumpy..
Okay, but MANstruating is a real thing, and I will die on this hill dammit! Men have hormonal shifts throughout their lives and throughout a year. It may not be as predictable as women's, but that just makes us so much worse.
Load More Replies...Women make that assumption about other women, too. I've heard it by my co-worker and I just wanted to slap her. Women are angry about a lot of things, just like men get angry. Much for the same reasons. Yes to GET OVER IT.
Yup. And when women are angry it's always about "hormones" (pms or pregnancy) so it's considered "not valid". I hate that assumption. Yes, I do tend to have less patience with stupid things while pms-ing or being pregnant BUT it's the very same anger I would have regardless. I just don't feel the same need to hide it (and sometimes that's a good thing compared to feeling the need to pretend everything is fine when it's not because you don't want to be "difficult")
Assume, and you make an a*s out of you and me. Said it many times to people's faces. Happy to scream at someone that I'm well over a decade post-menopausal, to humiliate them for assuming at all. Anyone who tries to negate or minimize someone's valid emotions is an abuser or close enough anyway. Next!
“Oh, you must just be on your period” what does that have to do with anything?
My ex wife was a shrew. She scared all my friends away, men and women.
Not all of these will apply to everyone or every circumstance, but I think that most of these are fair.
1. Asking a guy out or asking a guy to marry you. It's seen as pushy or impatient and frowned upon.
2. Going hiking alone. People don't tend to raise their eyebrows at a man roughing it in the wilderness, but it's seen as reckless or dangerous if a girl does it.
3. Being assertive, standing up for yourself, and being confrontational. A lot of times it's seen as rude when it's seriously just somebody standing up for themselves.
4. Eating large portions of food. If a woman (even a skinny and fit one) is at an event she enjoys and fills a plate with junk food, it tends to raise a few eyebrows. It's considered unladylike. When a guy does it, it's viewed as normal and healthy appetite.
5. Dealing with grief. When a guy doesn't cry, it's stoic. When a woman doesn't cry, it's cold and unhealthy.
6. Caring little about appearance. If a guy goes a few days without shaving and has some stubble, it isn't frowned upon very much. If a girl goes without shaving her legs it's disgusting.
7. Masculime interests. A guy can like cars and video games and sports without question. But if a girl likes those things, it's "because she wants a guy" or "she's faking it" and she has to prove her worth and knowledge.
8. I know it's been said a lot, but sleeping around. It really is a very high double standard. It seems like the pressure is usually placed on women to be the defenders of sexuality. But sometimes we want to get down and dirty too. And I don't think anyone should be shamed for that -- male or female.
That said, I do think that men face a lot of backlash and hardships as well, especially for doing things that normal women do like being alone with children, having open emotions, caring about appearance a lot, etc. I do think women face backlash, even sometimes for behaving like a stereotypical woman (having strong emotions, wearing makeup, wanting to show some skin...) At the end of the day, a little bit of understanding goes a long way. :) Let's all be kind to everyone around us! :)
#2, going hiking alone — it IS dangerous, at least in the Southern California area. Homeless men, who are EVERYWHERE, will harass a woman when they wouldn’t think of approaching a man.
I've seen on the news where 2 women separate women were murdered while hiking or jogging alone just this month. It's not right but we have to smart.
Load More Replies...Hiked alone plenty of times. Doing anything alone is a risk, but I live my life, not my fears. I'm also a violent little baggage, and would not hesitate to make blood run if attacked.
There are very rigid stereotypical roles for the sexes and stepping outside of them makes people feel uncomfortable with you. Luckily some of those barriers have been/are being broken down. Maybe my grandchildrens' grandchildren will live in a society where this BS no longer exists - I don't see it happening any time sooner..
Going hiking alone is always dangerous for everyone. You have no buddy and no person to rely on if you fall or something.
This depends very much on location. If it's an area that's known to have problem bears, for example, then I could see your point. Or if it's isolated enough that you'd have trouble getting back out to get help if you were injured, then that at least warrants consideration. But, those are risks people should be able to weigh for themselves and decide if they are willing to risk going solo.
Load More Replies...Heh, I was the girl in #7 growing up. All my friends were boys. I liked insects, cars, fighter planes, lizards, video games, etc. I’m still that girl. When voice chat first became a “thing” in video games, I had to defend myself quite often to the other players that I was actually a woman in her 20s and not “a 12-year-old boy” like they all insisted I sounded like. I was the only female in most matches/games for a while XD
im 13 rn and i have screaming matches with guys in games trying to stand up against gaming misogyny culture its disgusting
Load More Replies...Number three!! At a school assembly this guy litterally leaned across me to yell at his friend, yelled in my face, spit all over me so I shoved him and said you need to get tf out of my personal space (he had one hand on my left should the other on my right leg, so yeah he was leaning all the way across me and had been screaming in my ear the whole damn assembly) and when I told my mom she goes you need to watch your tone and don’t be mean to people. Wtf??? I’m sure if a guy did that it’d be fine but noooo becuase im a bio girl.
Having body hair
It should be personal preference. I personally don't enjoy feeling little hairs blowing in the wind on my legs, and I don't like how pit hairs hang on to odors, or the way it itches. But some people don't care and that's okay. There are men who shave their body hair, too. To some, that is weird.
I am pretty old, and it seemed like this was on its way to being normalized when I was younger. For some reason our culture went the other way, and now it is really unusual to see a woman with leg hair (USA). I heard a teenager who saw a woman with leg hair at the pool comment that he thought women couldn't grow it.
An incident last summer annoyed me so much. I'm tall with back problems, shaving my legs is an extreme sport, so I don't do it often. I was wearing capris so a bit of leg was exposed and my mom and sister spent a lot of time pointing out my body hair and how it was unhygienic not to shave and just unsightly. I pointed to my uncles hairy legs in his shorts and asked what the difference was. "It's expected from women, it's just different, that's all." I wore shorts out of spite the next day.
Growing up with the idea that women don't have body hair makes it seem gross at first, but I really think this is something I could get used to. Might take some time though. Just being honest.
Nothing strange about that. What one is raised with sticks hard.
Load More Replies...Here, have an upvote. I think people may have misunderstood. As mammals, it's totally natural for us to have hair, but that hair also traps oil and dirt, so it can be considered unhygienic--but it's equally natural and unhygienic for both sexes.
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Calling it "babysitting" when watching their own children
I've always corrected people on this whenever they tried saying my kid's dad was "babysitting". Her Dad even called it "babysitting". Parenting would've been a lot easier to cope with if I didn't feel like a single parent in a 2 parent family.
I don't know a single father who calls it babysitting. I have a daughter, and I get angry if anyone says that I am babysitting, I am not babysitting I am parenting!!
I'm a divorced guy, I've never once in my life referred to watching or having my kids as babysitting. I've always said "This is my time or my weekend with my kids or little monsters" because I actually enjoy babysitting my kids. 😜😂
Male here. I got yelled at for doing that so I'm not sure about the "no one bats an eye" part
This is annoying, yes, and add to this ".......my husband helped.........". This is usually things done around the house. It's his house too. He didn't help, he just did his share.
I confronted a guy in the playground when he said that he was "babysitting for his wife." I said, "Oh? I'm sorry - I thought you said that they were YOUR children." He had the grace to look embarrassed.
Walk around and be treated fairly in Iran.
Boy I hear my women friends complain about this one every day.
don't know why you got downvoted, i'll fix it
Load More Replies...Aaaaaaaaaand that's another country where I, a solo female world traveler, won't be spending my hard-earned money. Crappy human rights and women's rights? No thanks, plenty of other, safer places to go in the world. Ya need to fix that.
They're trying to fix it, and they're getting killed for it.
Load More Replies...I would love to travel to the middle east but as a woman alone it seems frightening .
Iran just sucks all around. Those people really need to stand up for themselves.
Considering everything going on in Iran right now, this should be at the very top
"looking after the kids" (7 syllables). "babysitting" (4 syllables). It might just be an efficiency thing?
Age, gain weight, fart, be sexually active, raise her voice, don't tolerate being interrupted,...
Last night, I farted in front of my wife. She then did a louder fart, and said, "I see yours, and raise you mine". Farts are, and always will be, hilarious!
I never want to be told "watch your tone" and be called " Lady" ever again. I never want to be told "You look so tired. Are you sick?" or hear my mom comment on a celebrity's aging appearance. I never want to be asked about how many men I've slept with. (Although that doesn't happen much.) And I NEVER want to be interrupted again. That is something I'm working on. People can wait for me to finish speaking entirely before it's their turn to talk. I get interrupted so much by people all through the years it's difficult for me to even think how I'm finishing my sentence.
I always thought not farting loudly in public was a source of pride for women. If it is secretly driving you crazy and you want to do it, go ahead. Blame it on a nearby friend to have your cake and eat it too.
Knowing more about a technical or aka *masculine* subject, Like plumbing, carpentry, electrical, plastering, painting or being capable and dealing with the fallout from fragile, bruised egos…. My husband is very proud of me and my handiness around the house, thanks to my father and Grandfather teaching me. I can open a glass jar: technique- run the lid under scalding hot water all the way around, then tap the edge of the lid and simply twist with a rewarding ‘pop’ sound as the seal breaks and men in the immediate vicinity feel just a little bit, erm, shall we say, surprised? This takes a bit of technique…. GASP! Being able to carry impressively heavy loads without requiring assistance! I am a very good shot with a rifle, ( target, hunted with my Grandfather until my early twenties, now I would never shoot a living thing). Not being deferential to ‘alpha’, brash or patriarchal men but instead being clear, concise and assertive. Sadly, I used to camp by myself for a week…
or two without a single thought. Nowadays I simply wouldn’t, regardless of gender it isn’t safe, aside from the threat of other humans, there are bears etc, accidents to consider. Especially is being athletic! Literally, for those who suffer from an inferiority complex ANYTHING that threatens that precarious sense of self will be overtly or covertly denigrated.
Load More Replies...During lockdown, both hubby and I gained weight, it was noticeable in both of us. I had comments, suggestions on losing weight, actual inquiries if I was pregnant. Not one person said anything to him.
I have an ileostomy so I can't fart anymore. My wife does enough for the both of us, lol. I grew up in a family where farts were completely normal and funny so I have no problem with it.
Bad behavior for either sex, being just as much of a pig as some men is not a step forward for womankind.
Not wanting kids.
When a man is good with kids and/or wants kids some day, he is called "a catch" (you know, in combination with other good traits), meaning that the opposite (not being good with kids and/or not wanting kids some day) is common and normal, but not great.
A woman who does not want kids or is awkward with kids is seen with an unkind eye.
I'm 36 with 0 desire for children, hoping to find someone like that, too.
Load More Replies...I never wanted kids and seemed to attract single dads looking for child-free women since they didn't want more kids. Then they got offended if I turned them down because they wanted me to be a mother to their kids.
"A woman who does not want kids or is awkward with kids is seen with an unkind eye." Except by potential partners who ALSO do not want kids.
YES. I am a woman who never wanted kids and its made for some REALLY weird conversations. Why do ppl who have/want children assume it is so natural for everyone to be that way and if you dont theres something really wrong with you?? If more ppl who shouldnt have kids didnt, the world would be less full of traumatized adults.
I say I don’t like kids, I get advised to get therapy. By medical professionals! And then they’ll deny me sterilisation. My husband says he doesn’t like kids, he just gets a vasectomy no problems.
I'm 42, my mom still says she doesn't know what she did wrong because I don't want kids. So weird
Your mom should really appreciate you as a unique individual with her own wants, desires, and plans for life, and not an extension of herself. You be you - I for one appreciate you!
Load More Replies...Not wanting kids is perfectly fine, but some (mostly men in my experience) people cannot stand the idea. Apparently those people are so caught up in gender roles that a non-conformist threatens their entire existence. Their problem, not yours.
I didn't want kids for the longest time and truly thought I'd go my whole life without having one. I can't even count the number of times people would tell me "Oh you'll change your mind one day!" Leave me alone, people! Just because I did end up with a child is still none of their business!
I have an adult kid, and no plans for any other kids. I'm in my late 30s. This is my time, now. I don't want to catch up what I think I missed out on for being a parent in my 20s. But I know I have all the time and freedom to do some great things. Parenting is really not for everyone and it's everyone's life to live. Just live it.
Keep their last name after marriage.
My friend took his wife's name because he had a Lon, complicated last name that people were constantly butchering. His wife had an easy last name, lol
This is exactly what my husband did. It’s amazing how much s**t we still get about it from some of his family members 🙄
Load More Replies...It depends on the country. Where I come from almost nobody does it anymore. Everyone keeps their own last name after marrying (I come from Italy)
Quebec too, we all keep our names when we wed. To get your husband's name you have to file for a name change. This legislation is provincial so its not the same across Canada. I kept my name.
Load More Replies...I’ve been married twice and kept my last name. I never understood why people would go through all the hassle of changing their name. My current husband agreed that our son should have my last name because it’s simple, three letters, very difficult to misspell while his name is constantly misspelled and sounds a bit like a swear word.
My husband and I use each other's last names as middle names: My name * his last name * my last name His name * my last name * his last name. In my country (Denmark) I think it's pretty much 50/50 on which last name you take.
My female cousin and her husband used her last name. Mainly because my cousin is a teacher and her husband's last name was Pratt.
Mt friend's mum is a teacher and chose to keep her name, as her husband's is Dix.
Load More Replies...If I do get married, they can take my name or keep their own, I don't care. Just no double-barrelled fuckery
I will never understand this one. I kept my last name. I love my last name, it's who I am. My husband doesn't own me. If you want to change it, but all means, that's your choice and your right, but don't give me a hard time for wanting to keep my name that's been mine my whole life.
I was almost 40 when I got married. I hadn't intended to change it at all, my husband sort of wanted me to. As a compromise, I hyphenated. Pretty much everyone--INCLUDING my husband--just refers to me by my birth name.
Well usually men keep their names lol, I kept my ex husbands surname mainly because of our children, but so many bills, licenses, documents were all in the surname it would have been a pain to change them all .
I kept my surname - no-one even mentioned it - not sure it is such a big thing in the UK?
I don't think it is either. I know quite a few people who kept their surname and one fella who took hers as he felt his was ugly sounding.
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Not being you child’s primary care giver. Normal for a dad. Failure for a mum.
Why should it be a failure? Not being a primary parent doesn't mean not acting as a parent at all. Some parents take of their kids equally and there is no primary parent. Besides, all it means being a "primary caregiver" is the first to be contacted in emergencies and being called upon for other things involving the kid. It doesn't mean one parent is doing less parenting and not spending time with the kids.
Load More Replies...My husband was retired medically. When we had our son I was working and came off on maternity leave. Went back to work when our son was 1 and my husband was praised as a an amazing dad. Now I'm not arguing he was amazing, but I worked a min of 8hrs a day at a stressful job and came home to take over for him so he could sleep. Then I was told I should work less, stay at home more and give my husband a break!!!!!
I so feel this one. My ex-husband is the primary caregiver for our now 17 year old daughter and always has been. He stayed home with her while I worked, until we had our second child, who had special needs. I was his primary caregiver. I've always felt "less than" because I am not the typical mother figure to her like her dad is. It's not a failure, she has a "mother", he just happens to have a penis. Because I chose to work and support my family doesn't make me any less. So infuriated that people treat others this way
Maybe this one is not so much about the "bad woman" vibe... From the babys perspektive the mother biologically us the one who can keep it alive. They are biologically connected both in the sense of breastfeeding and the skin-to-skin contact which is a very important factor in surveival and always has been.
I don't understand what "primary care giver" means exactly. Where i come from, a mother is the person that by definition represents child care and love, and this reflects on all aspects of law and society. The father on the other hand is demanded to compensate for his - unfairly attributed and often unrealistic - second place in loving his childer with financial support. And no matter the effort or result in any aspect, financial or personal, he will never be granted an equal status because he is "not the mama".
It's the parent, or person who's has the main responsibility for the child, and the person who deals with the schools and family doctor appts, and traditionally, has the kids living either all or most of the time with them. Schools and doctors normally automatically assume it's the mother, or female caregiver, who is deemed primary. Some Dads, who have equal or full custody of their kids will get told to relay messages to the Mother, or ask to speak with the Mother, totally ignoring the Dad.
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Shave your hair off.
I've had a lot of friends shave their heads for 'Stand up to Cancer' , none had any comeback because of it xx
Don't shave your hair off, but don't have body hair. Make up your minds, will you? 🙃
Fixing to do this for Oct/breast cancer awareness month. I can't wait. Debating on whether to dye it pink as well
Maybe I'm just kinky...but I'd find it incredibly attractive if my wife did this. I wouldn't be able to keep my hands from massaging her head...
I let my mom shave my hair off when I came home from boarding school when I was ca 17. I looked like Sinead O'Conner (I was told). Lol. Then I had a bf who, when I had my hair shaved off ca a year later, cried and talked about ending his life.... because I HAD SHAVED OFF MY HAIR!!!! that guy was such a huuuuuge mistake. I hope he has a miserable life.
I've had family who hated when my then bf buzzed his head. They said it made him look like a skin-head. He would be called "Nazi" and racist by strangers sometimes. People do judge anyone for anything these days. There was a girl who went to the news after she was fired from her waitressing job for shaving her head in solidarity for her friend who was going through chemo treatments. She was told her look was "too extreme" for their dress code. Imagine that. What if she were the one who was uncontrollably loosing her hair?
I do like a nice head of hair, but I wouldn't give a woman grief if she wanted to not have the hassle of hair care.
I shaved my hair during lockdown, loved it, but yeah people reacted oddly. They make assumptions about a woman with a shaved head.
driving an 18 wheeler.... they s**t when i get out.....it is just a truck.....i can drive a semi, too
S**t lol, i remember a few decades a go, when a bus company here got its 2 first female bus drivers, those busses where full to capacity for 2 or 3 weeks, just by idiots that wanted to see a woman drive a bus.
More power to ya...last thing I ever wanted to do was get a CDL... But here I am.
I was recently on a city bus zipping through the narrow streets of a Chicago neighborhood, and all I could think about what that I, a guy, just don’t have the coordination to do that, but to the driver, a woman, it was just another day at work.
Back in ‘87 I started driving tractor trailers. Some places the guys would come out and look since it was a novelty to them. Ugly days, sometimes, especially from truckers from one particular state. They were hateful!
My stepdaughter is the instructor who teaches "Ice Road Truckers" in Alaska. I love seeing the look on the guys' faces when she hops out of the truck. To top it off, she's only about 5'5
a) having sex
b) not having sex
c) smiling and laughing a lot
d) not smiling and laughing “enough”
e) not knowing how to cook
f) not doing house chores
g) having kids and having a career at the same time
We don’t do it w a guy we’re a whore and a b***h, we do it with the guy we’re a hoe or a s**t we get pregnant we’re a hoe we get an abortion we’re the devil we keep the child we’re too young and it’s our fault for getting knocked up and keeping it. Litterally no way to win.
Load More Replies...Having kids and a career… or having kids and not having a career. Or not having or wanting kids. Or having too many kids. This could go on forever.
Im.sorry but EVERYONE should know how to cook a few things. Not just foe your own survival but piece of mind.
Yes it is a basic human need. very important to know how to cook.
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Being old
Please correct me if I'm wrong but as an aging women I feel older women are the least respected/ revered (?) / unaccepted (?)... Would appreciate others insights.
I think it is related to our youth-obsessed, appearance-obsessed culture. I think most of the disrespect comes from youngish people. I spend a lot of time with old people (no spring chicken myself), and they tend to be less judgy about how people look.
Load More Replies...I'm a 46 year old female and look forward to being old. I'm so much happier now with myself and care less about what others think about me. I have a physical disability but am active so have given few F#^(s about others opinion of me for many years.
At work. Being a man in his forties: he has experience. Being a woman in her forties: she is close to retirement.
I think women (men, too) can be attractive at any age but overall, you are seen as undesirable after 40, maybe even after 35. When I used to do online dating, a lot of the men my own age and older specified women no older than around 32.
Unfortunately, when women are not seen as sexually desirable, some people see them as having no value, and often simply stop seeing them at all.
Load More Replies...For me, being 61, it's like we have no relevant opinions anymore. I've given up trying to socialize so I'll just stick with my cat and dog. At least they put up with my ruminations :)
Pissed me off when I was in my early thirties and people starting calling me Sir.
No one calls me sir but I hate it when they call me madam.
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Normal bodily functions
Don't be ridiculous! Women don't urinate. The fluid evaporates from their body, creating a rose-scented mist.
Load More Replies...And they don't fart either, do they. /S with a snort laugh.
Load More Replies...I think it is high time as a society that we realize A) Women are every bit as disgusting and gross as men, and B) It would be best to leave them to it.
Like being sweaty!! "if you sweat a lot after a hard workout then its just gross" I am a female long distance runner (16 years old) and i sweat a lottt, usually more than the boys but I've just learned to deal with it because #1. I cant control it! and #2. because that's my body keeping me cooled down, so thank you body for caring about me!
The first time I belched after chugging a soda my ex stared at me like I had three heads. I thought it was because it was so loud and I said excuse me, and all he said was that I belched like a dude.
Including illness. Even some women doctors dismiss women's pain as us "making a fuss"
Make reasonable complaints
RIGHT?! I feel like men who have reasonable complaints are just that: reasonable. Women are labeled as Karens. Just FYI, this is just my own experience as a woman, I can't speak to the men here, but this is just my own personal experience.
Load More Replies...I went to the Salisbury House with my mom one day. It's like a cafeteria style diner. I got myself some fresh fruit. So I thought. When I picked up a strawberry there was a carpet of green blue grey mould on the under side. Grossed out I took the fruit bowl up to the counter and told the staff, and they let me get another fruit bowl or, actually I think they didn't let me get anything to replace it. The staff just said thanks for letting them know and that was it. When I came back to the table my mom told me this little girl was watching me and said to her mom "All that fuss over a strawberry." Yeah, okay little girl. It's not like I was shouting and berating the staff. This was early "Karen" times.
Not wanting marriage
I put the siiiiiing in single, ain't worried bout a riiiiiiiing on my finger!
I never gave a c**p about getting married or having a wedding. I've been with the same man for nearly forty years now. Both of us are happy with this arrangement.
Yay! My partner & I have been together for a long time, and have no designs to ever "walk down the aisle." The status quo is wonderful, and we see no reason to change it.
Load More Replies...Same song, second verse of not wanting kids. I'm widowed (divorced 90s, I left him; widowed 2016), and will not marry a third time. Now that I'm 50+, this is far more acceptable; widows get wide latitude on life choices. Men my age are absolutely BROODY to settle down because most want a nurse and a purse, so hard pass. Happy to have companionship, and live apart together. I need my own space, and we can have fun together, have our own space, and keep finances separate.
It's just about the bride wanting attention and a party, and wear a pretty dress. Throw yourselves a random gala. There.
I took pity on those who asked. I assumed they had no idea what they would be in for as they seemed to think I was easy going. If I don't mind doing something, I'll do it. If I don't want to, you can't make me. Won't stop you doing it if you want to, just with someone else
I would have been so much happier without it. Lonelier no doubt but happier.
Being assertive. Assertive women seen as ‘dominating’ and ‘intimidating,’ but assertive men are seen as ‘having incredible leadership skill’ and ‘confident and self-assured’ (Know this by comparing my teacher’s commentary on my leadership skills versus my male friend who did the exactly the same)
Assertive women are given the term pushy. It's not the same for guys.
I don't see anything wrong with being seen as dominating and intimidating. You mean you are scared of me? Good.
If I raise my voice I'm being aggressive or pushy, but when my boss did it and banged on the table, he was being authoritative or assertive.
I was told by several (all male) co worker that I have a dominant personality, I'm intimidating because I voice my opionion/ don't hold back and that I'm just too much. And I quote "No wonder why you're single with that personality. You scare guys off. You're not feminine" which I translate to "You're not quiet, you don't let men talk over you and that's scaring men away"
I once had a guy tell me that if I didn’t swear so much, I might find a husband. I told him to go f…k himself. There’s no other appropriate response.
Load More Replies...My dad commented on this to me two days ago when I told him I demanded my job give me time off after working me for 6 weeks straight without a day off, before I start training on a new location. I hadn't been home in 6 weeks except for a couple hours here and there for layovers, my body was breaking, and I put my foot down before it all began again. He's always been that way, everytime I speak up at my job, regardless of where I worked. Yet it's always gotten results, always gotten me noticed. If I'm being assertive, so be it, but I'm not a cog in the machine.
Yes! I hated being called crazy for being angry and assertive over something I had a valid reason to be angry about.
Trans women and men often talk about how social situations changed radically for them after transitioning.
Be fat/chubby. Fat men= the funny friend. Fat woman= the ugly friend. Not fair tbh
Really? I had a female friend that weighed 120kg and She was 1.60m tall, i weigh 120kg but i'm a male ( denser boné and muscle structures ) and i'm 1.85m tall, and She was BY FAR the sexyest women i ever talked to, personality counts a lot, and She had that in spades, its a shame She was married.
Well by the assumption that you live in Europe based off of the previous comment, I’d say good for you that you live in a place where larger body types aren’t frowned upon. In the US on the other hand, this is word-for-word accurate. A opinion formed from one point of view and no other information isn’t the strongest.
Load More Replies...Doctors treat women and fat people like dogshit, god help you if you're both.
Knowing doctors don't respect/listen to women, I had to ask 6 times for pain meds when I broke 4 bones in my foot. The broken record technique works
Load More Replies...At one point I was over 400 lbs but was never considered ugly. I absolutely got up in people's faces (read MEN) who attempted and failed to fat-shame me. I never care enough to start anything with anyone, because I'm always minding my own business, but you bring it to me? IT IS ON, and you will lose. Being fat gave me a spine of steel and a mouth like a sailor. Not even remotely sorry.
Yep Fat woman exists "She needs to lose some weight" fat man loses weight "Nooo he was better looking when he was fat"
How about fat chubby anyone judged and looked down on? It's okay to explain them to your kids in the shopping line when everyone can hear. As if shaming them will shock them into embarrassment and weight loss. Like they aren't already having enough trouble, or have dieted most of their life already with no relief.
Break up and leave the kids. Only get kids 4 days a month.
This is changing...at least in CA. Most of my divorced dad friends have 50/50 custody.
The standard in most states now is that the best interest of the child is equal time, assuming both parents are safe and local enough to do so.
Load More Replies...Usually on the weekend. Every other weekend. Split holidays. It doesn't necessarily have to come to that. Parents can work out custody agreements without the courts involved. But once you get the courts involved then it will be the judge deciding. The courts hate it when parents rely on mediation when it's apparent the issue is just 2 adults trying to compete against each other and not thinking about what's best for the kids.
It should just be frowned upon by everyone who does it, not just specific genders.
It's because of old-fashioned ideas behind parenting as women didn't work and men generally did, therefore they believe the child-rearing was done mostly by the mother. But that isn't true anymore. And there are plenty of toxic mothers. Men aren't second-class citizens and have every right to see and be with their children as much as the mothers are and it's been proven that it's better for the kids. But some men need to also take on more in the role as well. You can't claim someone is 'taking your kids away' if mom is the one doing all the heavy lifting with them, cleaning them up, reading to them, dealing with their sicknesses, shopping for them, etc. etc. If you leave it to the mother to do everything then, yes-you are a part time parent. You can't blame work all the time--plenty of women work and do the child-rearing and the house-cleaning, etc. because they have to. If you want to see your kids more then fight for that. Ask the court for more visitation if mom isn't cooperating.
Ambition of any sort which does not involve having kids.
My wife is one of the lucky ones. Her boss has been very accommodating. She has been able to progress in her career (a promotion recently), while also be able to have one day off a week to spend with our kids.
That is wonderful!!! I hope it continues. Unfortunately it could all end if there is a change in management and her boss is no longer her boss.
Load More Replies...This one needs HARD and CONSTANT pushback. Anyone who tries to keep other people small and in a box needs to eff off and be shot into the moon. I've always been openly ambitious, out about it, partly just to test other people's reactions. How they react to that tells me if they get a place in my life or not.
Female ambition is considered -overbearing, sleeping her way to the top, being a b!tch, all the negatives, yet when a man does that same things it is considered - high achieving, go-getter, team builder, networking, focused. Thanks old white men for this. You have sullied the next generation with your fears of being obsolete.
Be angry
This is so true! Women in this and most other cultures are not allowed to be angry.
Made me think-before menopause all your issues/anger are blamed on hormones, and after menopause all your issues/moods are blamed on (lack of) hormones. You can't win.
Going out alone at night.
I agree this isn't judged fairly when it's a woman. I do think that men can suffer going out alone at night too. Gang beatings, drunken brawls and muggings, also in America it seems drive by shootings usually target men more than women. So, while being independent is an equal right, being smart about your travels at night is important for everybody not just something to judge women for.
Yeah but when anything happens to a woman, it's her fault. "Why were you walking alone at night?" "What were you wearing?" When anything happens to a man, it's not blamed on him.
Load More Replies...I feel so privileged that I live in a place where it's safe to go out at night. Just had a fun night with friends and walked 5km home, alone, a bit drunk, and nobody cared. And nightime walks are my "thing." Sure there are places here where I wouldn't go for a walk, and I understand bad things can always happen, but in general it's safe.
I always carry a small knife or other sharp object as a weapon. Men can’t be trusted.
Load More Replies...I never really got that issue. Used to go out to karaoke some nights on my own. No one batted an eye or asked a question. Got to chat with some nice people. No one really asked to leave with them or hit on me. Most of the guys were older, married with their wives with them, or just got off work with the same intention to just drink some suds and sing favourite songs to the best of our tipsy ability.
I was followed once by a van. I walked car to car to keep some distance between us. 20 years later I was followed by a creep lurking in some bushes. My friend was flashed. I've got more stories too. I'm sure there there are millions more.
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Take their shirt off.
That is stupid, and i say this not because Im a man, but because if you go to most EU beaches a lot of women are and walk around topless and no One gives a c**p about it.
Go to North America and a women may get some nasty stares and, in some places, be fined or jailed for going topless.
Load More Replies...If men with man boobs can walk around topless on the beach without any problem, so should women be able to do. As a girl, I do prefer having a top on, but some women would much prefer not having to wear tops on the beach
Yeah I full on agree some men have bigger titties than some woman
Load More Replies...A nipple is a nipple is a nipple. No matter what your b00bs or moobs look like, they have nipples. It's only female nipples that are a "problem" because they're capable of performing a function -- feeding a baby. How is feeding a baby sexual? Should we start putting something over the top of baby bottles to hide the functional nipples?
THIS!!!! How is it okay for a fat 40 year old man to walk around shirtless and no one bats an eye, or vomits, but heaven forbid a 12 year old girl at the beach doesn't have a top on. Yes, it is USA, we are assbackwards.
I don't think it means just at the beach. Men can say " Oh, I'm feeling a bit warm" and take their shirt off, but it isn't acceptable for a woman to do the same. I can't even go braless in my own home because I live with my family and have been told it makes my dad and brother uncomfortable. So then sometimes I get irritated when my brother takes off his shirt and I tell him that he should put it back on. If I can't be braless in my own home, maybe you shouldn't be shirtless. I know it isn't the same. I just wish women's chests weren't sexualized.
But it is the same. Attitudes and perspectives are the problem.
Load More Replies...In many "westernised" (Read: British Empire) countries, it's illegal unfortunately.
Say "No".
No is an answer, not an obstacle. So shut the hecc up and accept the word "No".
Too many people seem to think that if a man says "no" it is the end of the discussion, but if a woman says "no" it is the beginning of negotiation.
Walk out on their wife and kid. I know many men that have left their partners and their children. Barely visit their kids, make very little effort. No one really judges them that harshly for it.
But could you imagine if a woman walked out on her husband and children? Absolute monster.
Both of them are terrible and it hurts the children a lot (I know many people who’s parents left them, both the moms and the dads)
My parents were completely incompatible and not happy but they stayed together anyway and I grew up with two parents. Not saying it was the smartest decision but I would have missed my dad so much if he left. I loved him more than I loved my mom. They both sacrificed so much for their kids.
Load More Replies...This is terrible when either parent does it. Yes, men get s**t on for doing it all the time. They are considered deadbeat dads, and undesirable partners. Mothers and Fathers who do this are rightfully so shamed. My grandma did this to my mom and her siblings. The impacts were huge and long-lasting and even affected the next generations from the mental and emotional instability it left on them.
I did walk off. My mother believed that, if I didn’t leave, I would kill with myself or Him. I wouldn’t have been anle to care for them and nothing to fight him with as I worked for Minimum wage. I spent a week in hospital for suicidal ideation. And I know my 34 year old son feels that I abandoned him.
I tried to kill myself when he said he'd get the kids cause I was crazy and it was a side effect from the prozac they put me on. Then I had no rights and was the abusive insane dangerous mother. I got em back, cause I didnt go to court and obeyed my ex and he wasnt a total monster. He was also sorry. Your ex sounds a lot worse. There's not much you could do. I always assume that the one who has the kids is the problem. Went on a date w a guy. He saw his daughter one day a week. I said: is your ex such a monster? No he thought one day was enough. Mkay bye.
Load More Replies...I judge those Men extremely terribly. To not is just crappy. You don't do that to your kids. You take responsibility. No matter the gender
as a child whose mother left, I can said that it's really doesn't matter who leaves, the child is the one that has to deal with the fallout, not the parents that had sex and created the child. Wear a condom and/or birth control if you don't want kids, period.
can we all stop being judgmental? I left an abusive situation. It's better for kids to not see that behaviouor.
My mum did it. Walked away from me and my brother and sister who weren't even my Dad's kids and went back to Scotland. I wouldn't call her a monster, but she definitely wasn't my favourite person.
Refusing to pick up your kid from school because "you're at work"
Maybe because that is how you are listed on the form? Our school system, they try who ever is first (based on what we put). If that person doesn't pick up, it goes to the next on the form. My husband has had many calls because I was unavailable to pick up. I am the default though because he is usually in an area with no cell service.
Load More Replies...I had to walk to school in snowstorms and it was uphill both ways.
A Manager at Tims loved to schedule me in as much as possible, any random time. So, I just worked them. But all I asked was for an hour... hour and a half of time a week to take my daughter to a leisure class. It wasn't always a problem but then he really needed me to cover for someone and asked "Why can't your husband take her?" I asked myself that, too. For some reason it was this massive sacrifice for him to take to any organized activity.
Voicing an unpopular opinion or offering constructive criticism in (too many) professional settings.
As HIS idea, and it being listened to with credibility!
Load More Replies...And having a man repeat the same thing verbatim not 2 minutes later.
Grow a mustache.
All women have fuzz around our mouths, and all over our faces. Some have it darker and thicker than others.
ever since I was a child I have wanted nothing more than a little ginger moustache.
If you are of the Dwarf race in a fantasy realm, beards are common on the women. If you look up drawings of fantasy Dwarf women, they are so beautiful, beards and all.
There is a joy in being able to, even though its very small, to give your moustache a little twiddle, especially when I'm thinking. THE POWER
I am a woman by the way, 16 years old. I'm not trying to be rude at all so I'm sorry if this comes across as rude. But do women really want a mustache?
I don’t think they necessarily WANT a moustache, but more that they won’t be derided as disgusting if they have visible hair on their upper lip.
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Have a child whilst also having a job.
Edit: I was actually referring to the stealth demotions and firings, denied promotions, etc, but as people have pointed out, yes there's mom shaming too
I would be asked at my job. "Who looks after your daughter when you're at work?" Dunno. Ask the lions.
Sit the Iron Throne
That chair looks very uncomfortable, and too exposed to the elements. How's about a cushion and a shade tree? Thanks, I'm not sitting on that.
It's worse in the books. It's described as being WAY bigger and more sharp.
Load More Replies...Ah yes. Posts about actual serious social issues and social stigma that women face - and then a post about a fictionalized universe where there are dragons. Very relatable.
How about be taken seriously by a physician? Man complains of pain, doctor runs a bazillion tests. Woman complains of pain, doctor tells her to take a Motrin. Had a drug reaction once and the doctor told me to make some friends. Wtf.
Maybe this is more about position of power / leadership roles than an actual iron throne?
Stop dying grey hair
That's because it's more embarrassing as a man to dye your hair. Likewise with wigs/hair transplants
A male friend of mine who is about 60 told me he dyes his hair, but his hairdresser leaves gray at the temples. He knows it would be completely unrealistic for a person his age to have no gray hair, so people would know he dyes it if she completely covered the gray.
Load More Replies...I practically cheered when a woman I know stopped coloring her hair. It had looked so false and she looked like she was stuck with this self-image that she was much younger. She also toned down the makeup. Now she looks so much more relaxed, authentic and happy. Looking real is also a lot less work.
I was at work, this guy was talking to a colleague, and saying it was time for her to get her hair dyed again. I looked at him, he has a full head of grey hair. So I asked, when are you going to dye your hair? His answer...I'm a man. I don't need to.
I stopped dying mine this year. I love the freedom from the cost and time. Don't like it, don't look at it
Everybody gets flack for dyeing grey hair if it's obvious. But grey hair in women is becoming fashionable
I'm not ready to see my own, I'd have to acknowledge my age and I'm not at that point yet. Hubby looks good though.
Swearing
Yeah, my wife swears like a 3rd grader. Worse thing I've heard her say was damn...but she can make up some funny sounding alternatives, so it's all good.
My 2 youngest boys ride the bus to elementary school and let me tell you some of those 3rd graders would put sailors to shame.
Load More Replies...Lol, lack of vocabulary my a*s. Its like putting spice into food, it adds ✨flavour✨
Load More Replies...I swore the first time with my mom when I was in my 30's. I felt like I did something horrible.
Swearing is unattractive in both sexes; people need especially to eschew the f-word. Save it for situations of *extreme necessity*.
You won't enjoy Ireland then. My wife is Irish, and when she moved to England, she had to tone it down. Far fewer 'c bombs'.
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Not being conventionally attractive, especially if you're a fictional woman. That's not to say that conventionally unattractive men don't have it rough in certain situations, but they aren't as likely to meet with as much hostility as unattractive women can meet with.
Ugly is the last group it's 100% ok to discriminate against. They have no more control over bulging eyes than a person has over their skin color or gender.
@Sardonyx_3 do you really think you can just change your gender? It’s exactly the opposite - you can change your sex (surgery) to match your gender.
Load More Replies...In my experience, there are few crimes as terrible in the eyes of entitled straight men, as being a woman that he doesn't want to f**k. I've had abuse and garbage thrown at me out the windows of cars for having the audacity to exist while being fat.
I think it means, if you were to create a cartoon, video game etc, you better make sure the female characters are hawt and kyut...
Load More Replies...This was relatable until I read "fictional woman." Never mind fictional characters. It's a reality. Even kids will judge a teacher based on her looks. They'll like you if you're pretty. They'll make you rethink teaching if you're not, according to their preferences. There have been men who ran up to me just to tell me how ugly I am. I get called "dude". That is code, I'm sure, for "you're so ugly you're not even a female." I don't want to be called a pet name, a bro reference.
Please explain to me the line "especially if you're a fictional woman" Is that just referencing that cartoon women have to be one way or its shunned?
Interrupt people
Considering men talk over and interrupt us, interrupting them back is leveling the playing field. However, if someone is trying a crappy power move and just starts yelling and interrupting all over the place, I've been known plenty of times to just walk off without saying goodbye. Here's your power, just not over me. Have fun with that alone.
Sit with their legs apart.
When your entire reproductive system hangs down between your legs and is stuffed into undergarments, then you can talk.
So… you’re saying until I have a ween and walnuts, I can’t talk about sitting with my legs apart…?
Load More Replies...Oh man lolol, you just reminded me of a foto that's circuled around in the internet, of a Scottish military seated Next to the late Queen Elizabeth, apparently he also didn't know how to sit with his legs closed, mostly because he was wearing a kilt, the old fashion way.....
I did this without thinking about it at a Christian camp. I was told by my cabin leader that it was against rules for girls to sit with their legs apart because it's "too suggestive" and "improper of a Christian girl". I wasn't even wearing a skirt. Just mid length shorts.
wear the same thing daily
me who has worn the same shirt multiple times without cleaning :p
Load More Replies...I friggin' LOVED that about the military! Could roll out of bed in the morning and not have to choose what to wear. And BDUs? They could be as comfy as pajamas some days!
I had a coworker who had five outfits. That was okay because she was just slightly above entry level and didn't have a lot to spend on business attire. The noticeable thing, though, was that she wore them in an exact rotation, as if labeled with days of the week. "It must be Thursday because she's wearing the pale blue blouse and navy skirt." But keeping things orderly was part of her personality, which was good for the business.
I don't see a problem with women doing any of these. Is this mainly America? Cos in the UK it seems we don't judge as much. Or maybe we do but we're too polite to actually say anything lol.
Can't say it fits my experience in most instances, to be honest. The only one that does is being asked about having children. Though it was being asked, I didn't actually feel judged. Though that might be me not caring that much about what others think... hard to know really!
Load More Replies...liking the same gender. being gay is more often frowned upon no matter male or female, but sometimes lesbian relationships get sexualised. why? we just love the same gender
That's because men think women only exist for their pleasure.
Load More Replies...Sleeping with casual hook ups. When a guy does it, he's a 'player' and admired. When a woman does it, she's a s**t.
Living in Russia and if a man reacts angrily to something it is viewed very poorly. Specially in a working environment. Like, the only time I saw a guy yell in at work here, everyone reacted very judgmentaly about it and said he was acting childish and that it shows that he lacks respect in the company and is throwing tantrums to try to prove something but it is backfiring. Nobody finds it acceptable here. Had a PhD student yell at our group of students in class, cause he couldn't make them behave. Didn't have any more classes after that...
Date or marry a younger man. When men date or marry a younger woman, people don't seem bothered at all, but my husband is 13 years younger than I am and people seem to think it's weird (I had one "friend" tell me to my face that it was creepy even though we are and have always been consenting adults).
everytime i see men dating younger women they get called pedos even if both people were consenting adults when the relationship started
Load More Replies...You are either oblivious or really ignorant. And your arguments are very poor. Please educate yourself.
Load More Replies...I don't see a problem with women doing any of these. Is this mainly America? Cos in the UK it seems we don't judge as much. Or maybe we do but we're too polite to actually say anything lol.
Can't say it fits my experience in most instances, to be honest. The only one that does is being asked about having children. Though it was being asked, I didn't actually feel judged. Though that might be me not caring that much about what others think... hard to know really!
Load More Replies...liking the same gender. being gay is more often frowned upon no matter male or female, but sometimes lesbian relationships get sexualised. why? we just love the same gender
That's because men think women only exist for their pleasure.
Load More Replies...Sleeping with casual hook ups. When a guy does it, he's a 'player' and admired. When a woman does it, she's a s**t.
Living in Russia and if a man reacts angrily to something it is viewed very poorly. Specially in a working environment. Like, the only time I saw a guy yell in at work here, everyone reacted very judgmentaly about it and said he was acting childish and that it shows that he lacks respect in the company and is throwing tantrums to try to prove something but it is backfiring. Nobody finds it acceptable here. Had a PhD student yell at our group of students in class, cause he couldn't make them behave. Didn't have any more classes after that...
Date or marry a younger man. When men date or marry a younger woman, people don't seem bothered at all, but my husband is 13 years younger than I am and people seem to think it's weird (I had one "friend" tell me to my face that it was creepy even though we are and have always been consenting adults).
everytime i see men dating younger women they get called pedos even if both people were consenting adults when the relationship started
Load More Replies...You are either oblivious or really ignorant. And your arguments are very poor. Please educate yourself.
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