For most of us, intelligence agencies are extremely mysterious. They’re kept that way on purpose, of course, but it only increases our fascination with them. There are catalogs of popular films revolving around FBI, CIA and NSA agents including the Bourne movies, Argo, Snowden and Zero Dark Thirty. As much fun as it is to see Hollywood’s spin on the secretive lives of intelligence agents, it’s even more exciting to hear stories from the actual people inside the system.
Last year, Reddit user mr_squirrell reached out to Ask Reddit with the question, “FBI/CIA agents, what’s something that you can tell us without killing us?” The question received over 10,000 comments from readers, many of whom have either worked in intelligence agencies or know someone who has. We’ve gathered some of the most fascinating stories and juicy bits of information, so you can live vicariously through these agents. And after you’ve finished this list, continue your investigation into the world of the FBI with this Bored Panda piece.
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My spouse is an FBI agent. One of the things they had to do at the FBI Academy was going to the Holocaust Museum in D.C. The lesson was what can happen if you blindly follow orders without ever questioning the morality/intent behind them. I found that pretty compelling, and I was glad to hear that it's part of their training.
This reminds me of an online test I once took, it was "do you have what it takes to be a spy" or something like that...anyways, one of the questions was "Would you be willing to do absolutely anything for your country?" And apparently the correct answer is no because they do not want that type of ppl for spies. Sometimes it's about morals and questioning what's right.
To understand these stories a bit better, let’s first discuss the differences between various intelligence agencies. The United States currently has 16 active intelligence agencies, but we’ll focus on the 3 most famous: the FBI, the CIA and the NSA. UnitedStatesNow breaks down the responsibilities of each agency on their website: “Each agency has a specific area of focus, although they do occasionally cooperate on cases to share information which could lead to a breakthrough.”
The FBI, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is focused on domestic law enforcement. They assist local police in handling certain cases, such as major murder cases, crimes which have crossed state lines and kidnappings. According to their jobs website, the FBI currently consists of “more than 35,000 special agents and professional staff who work across the globe to protect the U.S. from terrorism, espionage, cyber attacks, and major criminal threats.”
Not an FBI or CIA officer here, but my sister is a district attorney, and over the years she has prosecuted a number of animal-cruelty cases. This led to her having an ongoing partnership with the FBI for the last several years. It turns out the FBI started tracking animal cruelty cases about 10-15 years ago due to the incredibly high correlation between harming animals when you're young and becoming a serial violent offender as an adult.
The FBI is also in charge of domestic surveillance. For the CIA to access intel on individuals within the United States, they have to request that information from the FBI. On their website, the FBI has a list of topics under “what we investigate” including terrorism, counterintelligence, cyber crime, public corruption, civil rights, organized crime, white-collar crime, violent crime and weapons of mass destruction.
In the Frequently Asked Questions section of their site, the FBI even addresses how accurately it's portrayed in books, shows and movies. “Any author, television script writer, or producer may consult with the FBI about closed cases or our operations, services, or history. However, there is no requirement that they do so, and the FBI does not edit or approve their work. Some authors, television programs, or motion picture producers offer reasonably accurate presentations of our responsibilities, investigations, and procedures in their story lines, while others present their own interpretations or introduce fictional events, persons, or places for dramatic effect.”
Somewhat unrelated but my great uncle was an FBI agent. Every time we would ask him if he had any interesting stories but he would say he was sworn I to secrecy. After 10 years of hearing this, my sister asked “Really?” and he responded with “No, I just don’t remember anything interesting happening.”
When the government shut down hooker sites on backpage and Craigslist the section responsible for hunting human traffickers got pissed. I perused backpage/Jacksonville for six months flagging individuals that matched the description of missing persons. Found a lot of missing girls.
The CIA, or Central Intelligence Agency, “provides objective intelligence on foreign countries and global issues to the president, the National Security Council, and other policymakers to help them make national security decisions”. On their website, they describe what they do in 3 steps: collect foreign intelligence, produce objective analysis and conduct covert action, as directed by the president. They also note that they do not make policy or policy recommendations, and they are not a law enforcement organization.
Two family stories:
1)My father's uncle told everyone for his entire life that he worked at a button factory. It was only revealed after his death that he, in fact, worked at a missile factory and assembled the gyroscopes for guidance in missiles.
2) We always knew my grandfather worked for the government at the pentagon. We never knew exactly what he did but every 6 months or so he would call up to talk to my mom. The conversation was pretty much always the same. My mom and grandfather would catch up for a few then the it would turn into..."So I have another clearance upgrade coming up, you will probably get a call like always. Just wanted to give you a heads up." Surer than sh*t, a week later some government agency would call up (it was always a different one) and ask for my mom. They would ask a bunch of questions and that would be that. When he died from Alzheimer's, at his funeral, 4 men in black suits attended, and no one knew who they were. After the burial, they approached his widow and handed her a plaque with 17 government agency symbols on it. Turns out he was responsible for inter-agency cooperation and training. He basically got everyone to talk to and teach each other. Now his son works for them, doing what? We don't know and don't ask.
A friend applied to work at the FBI. He was required to tell them anything illegal he had done so he told them he had illegally downloaded a bunch of media and they laughed and said if that disqualified you, no one would work there
Possibly the most secretive and least understood intelligence agency in the US is the NSA, or National Security Agency. (The NSA is actually combined with the Central Security Service, but we’ll just refer to it as the NSA for brevity.) The NSA maintains an extremely high level of confidentiality, and their website describes their responsibilities as collecting, processing and disseminating “intelligence information from foreign electronic signals for national foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes and to support military operations. The NSA is also tasked with preventing foreign adversaries from gaining access to classified national security information.”
Met an old, retired, CIA spook at a wedding reception. Spitting image of Col. Sanders, he was amazing.
So I asked him "I don't want you to tell me anything you can't, but I'd love to know when Kennedy got killed, what was the talk around the water cooler in the office?"
He didn't halt, or pause to think.
"Hell, we all thought Johnson did it."
My SIL is involved in these organizations. She can't tell us much about what she does, but she has a large backpack with a radiophone on top. If the phone rings she's told us you don't answer it. You just drop everything and get out of town faster than ASAP.
This is probably false. Even the less high-tech options use more conventional methods of notifications, and the operators for these systems want confirmation of contact.
Exactly, because they’d have to test the line periodically to ensure it’s still working, and also so you know what it sounds like.
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" This is Papa Johns What can I get for you?"
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It's the "s**t has hit the fan" phone, like in the event of mass civil unrest or something major happening within society, you get away from civilization to somewhere secluded, especially out of the cities
OH MY GOD THE FIRST PERSON ON BP TO KNOW THE DIVISION. ITS ISAC CALLING HER.
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Because a 2oz (ca. 76 g) pager wouldn't be more efficient. I call BS on this.
I have a relative who works in Law Enforcement and she tells me that this story is quite circumspect. The FBI and Homeland Security and the even the CIA all answer their phones to find out what is happening and what the mission is. You might want to check this person for mental illness like extreme paranoia.
But it is t their phone… maybe theyre not supposed to answer it. Only the SIL. If she is not around dont pick up the phone but just in case just head for the hills…
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While in College (1978/79), this textbook in my Poli Sci class told of a time when Nixon was in office and demanded to leave the White House to go to a musical. Unplanned no prep for anything. Major s**t storm for the Secret Service. Eventually, They got Nixon to calm down and they never went out.
One of our close new neighbors happened to work for the Secret Service. His family came over to our Family home for dinner one evening. Eventually, it came out he worked on the Nixon Detail a few years back that's when I shared the story I read in my textbook.
He actually almost dropped his fork and say there with his mouth wide open. Apparently, the story was not only true but was supposed to be a secret. I showed him my book and he notated the author. I have no idea the outcome but it made the night more interesting.
The NSA actually came under fire in 2013 after a former employee, Edward Snowden, stole 1.7 million NSA documents and leaked 200,000 of them. Snowden, a self-proclaimed whistleblower, revealed all of this information to make the general public aware of the NSA’s illegal surveillance activity. Publicly, the NSA had said they never knowingly obtained data from private phone records, but Snowden exposed the truth. In 2020, the US court of appeals deemed that “the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans’ telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and may well have been unconstitutional”.
I have a relative that retired from the NSA a few years ago. She has talked about a few things in generalities, nothing specific. Among them:
You will see things that entirely change your view of the world. People go in there all the time with lofty goals of changing things and within months those goals are mostly gone. Still, if you want to change things, you work for the agency. If you just want to make money, you work for a contractor. No one cares what contractors have to say.
Most people that stay long enough will do a tour in counterterrorism. Many people transfer out after a few months, and the average stay is two years because of the visuals. Those who stick around for a long time often change for the worse, and many struggle with mental illnesses, become alcoholics, get divorced, and generally lead miserable lives with their work their only reason for continuing.
Alcoholism in general is rife in the agency. When you cannot speak to anyone outside the agency about your work, it becomes nearly impossible to confide in anyone close to you. Even if you have close work friends or family, you have to be careful what you say because not everyone is read into every program. Two people can sit next to each other in the same office, working on the same subject for months, and never talk about it with each other even though they’re close friends outside the agency. So people turn to the bottle. Her husband worked for a different government agency and also had a Top Secret-SCI clearance, but she couldn’t talk about her work with him (nor could he with her, but he didn’t involve the intelligence community).
The agency employs psychiatrists who are cleared to be read into almost any program. Going to them, though, is often seen as a mark of shame among other agency employees, so they are not used nearly as often as they should be.
She told me most of these things while trying to recruit me. She believed that I should go in knowing what to expect. I eventually declined to apply.
I negotiated huge deals with the Russian government. I was tailed 24/7. One time I didn't like the room the hotel gave me (I knew it faced the noisy side bc I stayed there all the time) and instead of just giving me a new room it was a 90-minute wait while they bugged a new room for me. Twice I had bizarro run-ins with very pushy, very "hot" women who allegedly wanted to f**k me so bad... Even if I was straight, "hot" in Russia is a mix between a Bratz doll and a hooker, so no thanks.
My dad worked for the government, and he told me that anytime he had a meaningful interaction with someone who wasn't American (ie going over to my friend's house for the lunar new year, or going on vacation to Canada) he had to report it all and if he saw anything suspicious.
Sir, reporting a very suspicious pie i ate on my new year party .... burp!
Snowden fled the US before leaking the information in 2013, to avoid being prosecuted, and he likely won’t ever return. As of 2020, Snowden has been granted permanent residence in Russia. He planned to only transit through Moscow years ago, but as he was traveling, the US canceled his passport. Apparently 27 countries denied Snowden asylum, so he has no plans to leave Russia any time soon. He is now the president of the Freedom of the Press Foundation and an advocate for freedom of speech and rights to privacy.
No full stories to tell but when my grandfather passed away we found a box of very official IDs including passports with his picture, different names, and different countries.
We'll never know. The only thing we know is he was a bada** motherf**ker who knew how to make knives and spoke 6 languages.
This is anecdotal and years old, but our family still gets a kick out of it...
I had a great uncle who was in construction years ago, he did high-quality rendering and plasterwork - he did some jobs for some security stuff in Australia.
In his later years, he would rave about the CIA and FBI and Australian secret services being in the country, with technology we'd never seen nor would see for decades.
In so 60s and 70s, we're talking about in-ear communication devices, wristwatches with video and audio, small portable computer tablets, and super small/thin screens in full high-quality color, delivering information worldwide in seconds.
His ramblings got to the point where it was conspiracy theory level, and was before smartphones and pads were really a household item... now though, what he described was VERY accurate.
I wonder how many people sounds like raving lunatics who in 50 years we’ll look back on them thinking,”hot damn, they were right!”
My dad works for a 3 letter organization, and to this day I have no idea what he does
It’s so funny, growing up not knowing what my dad did, it felt normal. My dad would leave for a week. Be home for a week. Leave for 2. Home for 3. He ALWAYS had a present for me from whatever country he was in.
All in all it never struck me as odd as a kid. It wasn’t until I was an adult did it really stick out as abnormal.
But to answer your question, he has only told me one thing. Every so often he’ll send me a text, even now as a grown 30-year-old, “Change your passwords”.
I always do, without question
In 2016, Insider published an interview with former CIA employee Brian Goral to satiate readers’ desires to understand the intriguing lives of intelligence agents. Goral decided when he was only 15 that he wanted to work for the CIA, and he accomplished that goal by the time he was 22. During his 15 years in the service, Goral was taken to over 30 countries, even visiting 4 continents within a week at one point. He mentions that one of his favorite aspects of the job was how much of the world he was able to see. “On one [day] I witnessed the worst poverty I'd ever seen in my life, and a day-plus later, I was seeing some of the most opulent luxury I'd ever encountered… Those memories and contrasts separated by mere hours definitely left an impression and reminded me how fortunate I was to serve — and to serve with my eyes open. These sorts of experiences help a lot of agency personnel move past national biases and prejudgments and understand their work in the bigger context.”
Polygraph tests are bulls**t, and they only really ’work’ by convincing you—the subject—that they can tell when you’re lying, so you’ll be more inclined to tell the truth.
A machine cannot tell if you’re lying. Period.
It isn't the polygraph that usually gets you, it's the post-poly interview that nails people into the ground.
Worked with a woman who was a former NSA. We would always beg her to tell us s**t, but she never did. The one thing she did say, though, was that during training they show them a video of a bunch of things they've found out about and stopped. She said she hardly slept for two weeks after watching that.
There is a book called Moscow Rules. It was written by 2 CIA people, all about, well, disguise.
The CIA had all these agents in Russia, but the Russians were insane about following literally every single American in Russia, 24/7, looking for spies.
So a huge part of their job was trying to shake off the KGB. They had crazy quick-change disguises, all sorts of stuff.
The movie Argo was based on one of the writers somewhat.
The Moscow rules are good for general life rules when e.g. walking home late at night- Assume nothing. Never go against your gut. Everyone is potentially under opposition control. Do not look back; you are never completely alone. Go with the flow, blend in. Vary your pattern and stay within your cover. Lull them into a sense of complacency. Do not harass the opposition. Pick the time and place for action. Keep your options open.
When asked what the biggest challenge of working for the CIA was, Goral told Insider that it was actually walking away. “Certainly throughout my career there were scary moments in the field and painful ones while working back home, particularly when I'd hear news of friends and colleagues who wouldn't be coming home… However, in a way, those moments were expected and part of the job. Leaving wasn't. During the last 15-plus years, many of the people in the agency became my best friends and family. I was leaving the job security and the mission for complete unknowns, certainly. I also knew that most of those amazing friends and colleagues who helped me to reach the points of success I attained in my career I would probably never see again.”
My high school girlfriend worked for the National Reconnaissance Office after college. At the time, they were responsible for analyzing the nation's spy satellite photos. She told me two things.
There's a special garbage chute for classified materials. It's in the hallway. When you are new, as a hazing ritual they tell you you have to shout your badge number down the chute before throwing in any materials. This is hilarious.
She wouldn't tell me anything about the resolution quality of the spy photos, of course, but she did let it slip that because Russian sailors will sunbathe nude on the decks of their submarines in the Black Sea, several women in the office would pin those photos up in their cubicles as beefcake photos. So a few decades ago, US spy photos could resolve Russian penis.
Not CIA or FBI related. My grandfather was a career navy officer. His specialty was in electronic communications. I grew up across the country from him and never gained a close relationship with him. He traveled to many different duty stations but we found out about 2 top secret stations before he died, he had while he was out at sea.
He was given the work with one other officer to further develop LORAN, a radio precursor to modern GPS that could track your position accurately to 10s of miles. (Not super impressive by today's standards but it was a hell of a thing back then.)
Bikini Atoll, he told me a few years before he passed that he took part in the nuclear testing that took place and felt the heat of an Atom Bomb. He said nothing has ever been more impressive, but nothing has scared him more than the power of a nuclear weapon.
My dad worked in the military as a communications expert. Turns out he was a spy listening to Russian transmissions up in northern Canada
We are all told never to use sites like this and social media, in general, is pretty much a no-go.
My aunt who was in the Agency used AOL. Cracked me up, she trusted that it was secure.
When asked what the biggest misconception about working for the CIA is, Goral said that there is really no “stereotypical agent”. “For every gun-rights activist at the CIA, there is a coworker who wants reform right now. For every devout Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu in the building, there is someone who prefers the scientific exploration of the universe. While I've heard political discussions in the halls and cafeteria, I don't think I'd ever seen a hot-button political issue of the day that actually influenced the work or affected cooperation between colleagues working together on a project.”
My dad worked for GCHQ in the 80s doing voice recognition and he can't say anything more for a decade more.
The way they can recognize you by Siri/Google today was being used in the 80s... Just a bit slower...
Scotland is exempt, voice recognition technology still struggles with Scottish accents, it really is ridiculous in this day and age.
I worked with the Australian Federal Police with the spider squad doing "computer stuff" for them in regards to pedos and finding trafficking victims - it is the most heartbreaking work but when you get them the office looked like NASA after the Mars landing
Edit; left 3 and a bit years ago but do get called up to lend a hand every now and then
My grandfather was CIA.. we all knew better, no one asked. Over time as his assignments became unclassified, he would slowly tell little stories. Was eating dinner. He asks my mom you remember that time y’all dropped me off at Dulles airport? I actually flew to Camp Perry. And was then helicoptered overseas. My mom replied which time. Turns out he was a demo expert. Defused bombs. Spent 30 years all over the world. His claim to fame Toyko Rose used to call him personally. Every time he landed in Japan. Man never traveled under his real name.
The woman who was Tokyo Rose (even though the US later would call all English Language Japanese propogandists during WW2 that name later) was an American patriot who was visiting family in Japan when war broke out, she was forced against her will to do broadcasts for the Japanese. She caved in after a while under the condition she would not say anything anti-American or to demoralize US troops. Japan agrees (they had other English speakers for that), so she was a music DJ for the Japanese propoganda station and also gave US sports scores. It later came out she would try to sneak subtle messages to boost US sailor moral by using cultural references the Japanese govt wouldnt understand. Post war she became very involved in US politics and was an official with the Goldwater Campaign, trying to help revive her reputation from the media slander that attached all the negatives from the other English Speakers under her moniker. She would go attend WW2 veteran event to loud cheers from sailors
Lastly, Goral addressed the real question everyone wants answered: how accurate are depictions of the CIA on TV shows and in movies? “I like a good adventure story as much as the next person. However, besides missing badly on the ratio of excitement to preparation, most of the movie and TV versions I've seen have sold short the diversity of personalities and complexity of emotions encountered within the work we do, or they overcompensate with completely ridiculous elements.”
Not either of these, but I've had a clearance so I can weigh in a little.
Two things:
Firstly, most secret s**t happens right in front of people's faces under the guise of being normal everyday stuff.
Secondly, properly secret programs and operations are never named in any way that indicates what they actually are about. They're generally just two words chosen at random and that would rarely come up in normal conversation, stuff like "Cracked Gorilla" (which I just made up off the top of my head.)
So when people talk about classified stuff and its name is super topical, it's either very very old or a nickname at best. Only public programs and operations have topical names as a PR motive, like "Desert Storm."
It's ironic that one of the ways to blend in to the background is to be wearing a hi viz vest.
Any gadget with a microphone that connects to the internet is always listening. Odds are good a human won't ever hear anything said because they are collecting data to sell to other companies. But they are listening, cataloging, and collating it all into databases. I won't get in trouble for that because you already gave permission for your devices to do that. You just clicked accept without reading your terms of use.
...except that you can actually snff the data packets coming out of your phone and see that this is not true (see for instance this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49585682 )
My Brother is an FBI Agent. Doesn't talk about work much. The two biggest takeaways I got from him over the years is that the media is a joke and he doesn't say anything on phone calls.
While many of us have a laundry list of questions for the FBI and CIA that we’ll never know the answers to, it sure is fun to hear agents reveal the information that they can. I’m certainly not cut out for working in any of these agencies, so I’m very thankful for the people that do. Be sure to upvote the stories you find most fascinating, and let us know in the comments if you have any personal or second-hand stories from the intelligence community!
I talked with some CIA recruiters towards the end of college and almost applied earnestly after a large group Q&A and then a much smaller one.
The thing that stuck out to me was that the guys said most CIA agents are out of shape and have limited combat training with guns or hand to hand. They made it clear that it’s the military that uses force. If confronted they were trained to immediately surrender or to drop their bags and run if possible.
less than 2% of CIA agents ever serve in an undercover role, and in those roles their job is to blend in, not always is being fit what is needed. And the rest are desk people. Only really the Special Activities Division is where the fit hollywood types are, they are the CIA's black ops wetwork teams
If you apply for a job at GCHQ/MI5/MI6/Fylingdales/etc. they will talk to every member of your close family and if any minor red flags come up you might not get the job.
And also if you are Chinese/Russian/North Korean/etc. (I think that it probably goes to a grandparent or great grandparent being from that country) you will not even be able to apply.
Source: Stepdad was in MI6 and fun-fact; if he wants to go to certain countries (eg. Israel) he has to ask permission from the MOD to travel there
I was interviewed due to having one relative in CIA, one in Pentagon and one at NASA. I'm the dull one in the family.
I applied for a job as a computer programmer for the CIA in the 1980's which required a top-secret clearance. The application was 17 pages long and wanted to know the exact dates of any illegal drug use, your sexual proclivities as well as every place you have ever lived as well as other things. The second interview would be conducted while taking a polygraph test. I noped out on that one.
I was an analyst at the NSA, AMA.
Most of the time when people see on my resume that I worked there, they want to know what I did or what it's like to work there. (btw, if you're HR and you see someone with this on their resume, please don't make it everyone's business)
What I tell people is that no matter how smart you think you are, or what your view of what's possible is, working there will redefine both of those concepts. There are offices there that worked on unimaginable things--literally stuff you would never think of.
Obviously, I can't share anything about what I learned, but I always tell people to imagine an office so specialized that their job is to measure the grease spots on satellite photos outside of foreign military bases. By analyzing the size, shape, color, and position of the grease spots, they can extrapolate all kinds of information about what goes into and out of the base (ops tempo, manning, equipment, etc.).
People talk about the 'uberization' of things, like making use of untapped assets (spare room for Airbnb, downtime for driving for Uber, etc.), but intel agencies mastered it long ago. The world around you is absolutely brimming with collectible intelligence that if leveraged and analyzed smartly, can tell you (or an adversary) a ton.
I am not special. I worked in a very compartmented area of the intel side, but I also did a night job where I cleaned up offices (because they couldn't just hire any old janitor, they needed people with clearances to empty garbage cans, etc.), and often I would talk to the people in the offices about what they do, or you'd just see it since, well... it's an office and some workspaces it is impossible to not have an idea of what's going on.
I work in the federal goverment and a lot of ex intelligence use the agency I work at as a "cool off" or transitional job before actually retiring (since my agency works with very little amounts of sensitive material) . I remember meeting a person that told me that their entire job with the CIA was to own amd manage a small advertising company that specifically worked with billboards all while being an average joe civilian.
They told me that they would constantly ask what was the whole point and that all they would get as an answer was "if you get an order for an Ad to be posted on that billboard... post it, that's all you have to do"
They told me they never received any particularly strange or weird requests for what to post on the boards, and that was what creeped them out the most.
Sometimes they hold fire drills just to go around and see who doesn’t lock their computer/workstation or take care of physically locking up classified materials/hard drives properly before exiting the building. And then, those people are all fired.
Edit: was an intern in college.
This reminds me of the fire in the Russian consulate in Montréal in 1987. They didn't allow the firemen to enter because they were destroying documents. https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/history-through-our-eyes/history-through-our-eyes-jan-14-1987-soviet-consulate-fire
Not CIA but have worked with and know guys in intelligence. Most of the intelligence we get is from OSINT (open source intel. ie news articles, press releases, news networks, and government announcements)
Most people think that everyone in intelligence is some James Bond/ Jason Bourne type of individual when in reality, the majority of analysts sit at a desk and go through news articles all day.
That said, that’s not the only method we have to gather intel, but it is where most of it comes from. Even analysts that are using other methods such as GEOINT, IMINT, and SIGINT spend their day cropping images for minute details or replaying and monitoring the same signal over and over again.
I was raised by someone who worked for the FBI and grew up around a lot of people who worked there.
As a kid, I was pretty surprised to learn how many of them believed in Aliens.
I was even more surprised to learn how many of them believe in Angels.
I was an analyst, not an agent/officer.
85% of all classified material is classified because of how it was collected, not because it is juicy/useful. Yes, your boss and co-workers said that s**t about you.
Intelligence work is really boring most of the time.
Chilling in your car eating chili cheese dogs and watching a house? Sounds fun for about 5 minutes until I have to poop and my wifi runs out
We have full access to google's ad network. If we really want to track someone, we use that.
Not a federal agent, but like c'mon there's literally an API in the source code for it, and you think it's NOT being used?
I wasn't FBI/CIA, I was NSA. But was integrated with both for a few assignments and the biggest thing is that it's all way more Office Space than Tom Clancy. Also, every cafeteria has a buffalo chicken salad day, and it's usually the best thing they serve.
In college one of the store management staff that I worked with had spent several years in the Naval Intelligence group, and worked heavily with the CIA. Their mission was to monitor for potential security leaks from within the Navy, and sometimes other branches. Anyways, he told me one story that took place before the Berlin wall came down, and an NCO was trading some lower level secrets for hookers and extra spending cash. But the story was really about a Naval Intelligence super-newbie that they were training on this observation operation. They had secure channels already while they were watching one of the drops, and were talking normally over their hand-held radios from within their cars and assigned locations. This newbie, feeling full of himself, was making up code words and phrases on the fly without running them by anyone. Threw the whole operation into chaos and nearly destroyed the observation and evidence as all sorts of intelligence resources were running around, responding to this guy's nonsense, afraid that they had missed something.
He was not brought along for any more observation operations. He became REAL good at handing everyone's paperwork for them.
I had a customer years ago that worked for the FBI in a support role. Tech stuff, he wasn’t an agent or anything. He signed up to coach peewee soccer for his 5-year-old and met his assistant coach at the first game. Monday morning he got called into his supervisor’s office to meet with some agents. Apparently, his assistant coach was a well-known mafia boss, and they wanted to know everything he talked about. He was shocked because A) He had no idea, and B) They did.
I’m not but my friend is. She’s told me she’s not allowed to have anything like Alexa, Google Home, etc. because of the security risk. Food for thought.
The CIA Case Officer/Operations Officer job is one of the most paperwork-intensive jobs that I am aware of. And also not sure why the CIA gets rolled into so many US conspiracy theories because the agency has basically zero interest in US domestic politics unless a foreign entity is involved.
Although there have "reportedly" been CIA black ops within the U.S., the legislation that allowed the creation of the CIA prevents it from engaging in domestic activities.
95% of individuals can be uniquely identified using as few as 4 spacio-temporal points
...even dust particles can be uniquely identified with four spatio-temporal coordinates, so what's your point?
I have a few friends that are CIA officers. First thing is that the people that work for the CIA are not CIA agents, they are officers. The people they recruit to spy for them are agents.
Also, going on a tangent, I am 90% sure I have been one of those agents when I was dealing with a Mexican logistics company while working at General Motors. The logistics company we were dealing with was owned by a multi-billion dollar Mexican clan, and all the ultra-wealthy clans in Mexico all have ties to various cartels... so some federal agencies got involved. Mainly FBI and I believe a few DEA, but one guy was specifically not wearing any badges, was not willing to identify what agency he was working for, and questioned me on a lot of specific details of what the company's capabilities were.
Though getting back on track, anyone who is a US Citizen can apply to join the CIA, it isn't that hard. If you have any kind of degree in computer science, statistics, engineering, or accounting and don't have anything that would f**k up you got a clearance, and getting a job would be relatively easy there.
And as implied in that previous comment, working at the CIA is far more boring than you would think. Lots of tracing manufacturing capabilities - from what I described with that Mexican logistics company to finding out how China sources the components they use to manufacture their satellites.
I was just listening to an American podcast today like “are you willing to do anything for your country?? Yes??? Congrats, you can’t be a spy because they don’t want those kinda people that follow orders without questioning morality and intent” and I thought that was interesting
U-2 spy planes flying along the DMZ between North and South Korea aren't allowed to turn towards North Korea directly. They have to perform complicated turns towards South Korea and maneuvers in flight to pull this off.
My father was in the Navy and ended his career working at the pentagon. When the war started in Iraq he'd flip out every time the news pushed the weapons of mass destruction narrative. Low and behold there were none.
True story: a close friend of mine had been dating this guy for a few weeks, but was getting fed up with his frequent unavailability. Sometimes he'd answer the phone and respond to texts promptly. Other times he'd go radio silent for days.
He finally told her that it was because he was a special agent, and he could get them both in hot water by telling her this but, he'd been out of contact because he was on a secret mission in South America.
She was suspicious but obviously wanted to believe it was true. I told her, he's either lying or he's a really s**tty secret agent spilling all this "top secret" info to someone he's just met.
She gave me her phone and I texted him, "say hi you your wife for me." She never heard from him again after that. We assumed he must have been KIA.
Anyone that tells you they're a "spy" or other such nonsense is lying.
FBI family members here. The tests they take aren't as driven at finding high brilliance, but brilliance with a moral center. So, if you think you are going to fool or charm them into accepting you on spec, then you're the mark. They will let a few of these personality types in for training then the degree of training will weed them out. Everything is a test, every day is a test. If you take that approach, you'll do well in the FBI.
In the 80's/90's with marginal seismometers and a little computing power, people in Australia tracked nuclear explosions. That's the cover story.
Think about what people with today's seismometers and supercomputers can do.
My father works at NSA and doesn't tell me s**t. So I wouldn't know, but I do have one thing to say, NSA is spying on you, not the FBI.
I don't really think this is all that much of a ground breaking statement.
I have a former Marine friend who used to do decryption work at the Pentagon. He doesn’t talk about it much but he did say that there were a lot more friendly fire incidents than are widely reported.
I don't know if I'm allowed to say it but a mentor who definitely wasn't supposed to tell me used to be a white hat for the FBI. Apparently, all he did was search for pedophiles by tracking child pornography.
He said he didn't stay for very long because it was messing with his mentality
Edit: if you guys were wondering, he left to join the Navy. Became a nuke EM but they pulled him out of the program because of his cybersecurity skills and before I left our command, he was helping our CMC connect his computer to a projector. Sorry to put you in the spotlight EM1
When I applied for a (clerical) position with the FBI, someone on the subway unaccountably sat next to me and asked if I’d write her son and persuade him to apply to a school for the deaf (I’m deaf myself—how could she have known I was?). so I wrote a letter, she and I met for dinner, then we went our separate ways. I’ve always wondered about this.
One of my old gym buddies was the head of the FBI office in a major metropolitan city, and this man knew EVERYONE. Politicians, major gangsters, you name it.
We’re about 52 years apart in age, but he’s gotta be one of the nicest dudes I’ve ever met.
A professor at my college was a former CIA officer. One thing he said was that "The Year of Living Dangerously" was pretty accurate. Take that for whatever it's worth
My parents’ neighbor is an FBI agent. He thinks he's above the law and can park in front of the stop sign at the end of the street. Local cops wouldn’t ticket him despite numerous complaints.
Played beer pong with him at a block party. He’s an accountant. He did not like me calling him anything more than a forensic accountant with a badge.
Fun fact: it’s actually pretty dirty inside the CIA. There’s a pretty decent rodent problem. Also just about anyone can visit what is called the “Hollywood” interest which is used for TV and Movies like the show Jack Ryan.
The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister
If I can trust that she's telling the truth, there's an old lady in town who was in the FBI back in 50s/60s. She said Nikita Khrushchev was a short man.
My Trans Asexual Wiccan college student applied for an internship. They were denied. Of all the things up there only one disqualified them. Not being interested in adult fun time. That is apparently deviant according to the FBI? Seems to me it would make you incorruptible but whatever.
I suspect they are not familiar with it or find it incredible. I get the same reactions. Since I lost interest, people just cannot believe it.
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I was a radioman on the uss providence ssn 719 during operation iraqi freedom. Had a top secret sci clearance. I filled out the background investigation stuff but they never spoke to any references listed. The cool thing about being a radioman is getting to know everything going on while a majority of the crew is in the dark. Also, just fyi, *all* incoming traffic comes through radio including emails (to the sailor's .mil address). Not sure if they still use the same program but the one we used scanned for specific words we flag and all emails were read. Both to make sure no classified info was being talked about like capabilities, location, mission but also for things that can upset a sailor while out to sea like family member dying and such. Had to hold on to some of those death/illness emails and give to the captain for him to speak to the crewmember himself at his discretion.
A few years ago I was on holiday with my family in Florida and at the check in desk at Sanford International on the way home I mentioned to the clerk that we had some toy guns in our cases that we had bought the kids in Disney World, he looked super pissed off and told us we should have notified the airline four weeks in advance to which I testily replied, "How am I supposed to do that when we only bought them last week?". My BIL then mentioned we had souvenir "brass" from the shooting range in our luggage also (we had kept them in chlorinated pool water for a few days so they wouldn't attract any sniffer dogs). Lo and behold, at the departure gate I was "randomly" stopped and swabbed, so I reckon I'm on a watch list somewhere, I may find out for sure if I ever try to go back.
I am confused, I thought second amendment made carrying a gun basically the same thing as carrying a bible in the States??
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My grandfather worked at the lawrence livermore national laboratory as a non degreed computer/electronics engineer. Mostly did programming. Worked on clementine (deep space program science experiment) back in 94. He set up some programs for one of the cameras on the craft. Remember him bringing home amazingly detailed lunar pictures. The whole family has asked him over the years (especially since retirement) to talk about some stuff and he would just start smiling. But as things become declassified, if he worked on them he talks about them. In more detail than any the science channel documentary could ever provide.
A friend of a friend was - officially - a medic with the Royal Marine Commandos. Unofficially - the only way his wife was able to work out where he was in the world while on deployment, was to watch the news and see where the latest "hotspot" was.
Yea, because people are going to post top secret information on BP; NOT.
Nah, it's accurate. Source: me. Can't say where I work.
Load More Replies... My Trans Asexual Wiccan college student applied for an internship. They were denied. Of all the things up there only one disqualified them. Not being interested in adult fun time. That is apparently deviant according to the FBI? Seems to me it would make you incorruptible but whatever.
I suspect they are not familiar with it or find it incredible. I get the same reactions. Since I lost interest, people just cannot believe it.
Load More Replies... I was a radioman on the uss providence ssn 719 during operation iraqi freedom. Had a top secret sci clearance. I filled out the background investigation stuff but they never spoke to any references listed. The cool thing about being a radioman is getting to know everything going on while a majority of the crew is in the dark. Also, just fyi, *all* incoming traffic comes through radio including emails (to the sailor's .mil address). Not sure if they still use the same program but the one we used scanned for specific words we flag and all emails were read. Both to make sure no classified info was being talked about like capabilities, location, mission but also for things that can upset a sailor while out to sea like family member dying and such. Had to hold on to some of those death/illness emails and give to the captain for him to speak to the crewmember himself at his discretion.
A few years ago I was on holiday with my family in Florida and at the check in desk at Sanford International on the way home I mentioned to the clerk that we had some toy guns in our cases that we had bought the kids in Disney World, he looked super pissed off and told us we should have notified the airline four weeks in advance to which I testily replied, "How am I supposed to do that when we only bought them last week?". My BIL then mentioned we had souvenir "brass" from the shooting range in our luggage also (we had kept them in chlorinated pool water for a few days so they wouldn't attract any sniffer dogs). Lo and behold, at the departure gate I was "randomly" stopped and swabbed, so I reckon I'm on a watch list somewhere, I may find out for sure if I ever try to go back.
I am confused, I thought second amendment made carrying a gun basically the same thing as carrying a bible in the States??
Load More Replies... My grandfather worked at the lawrence livermore national laboratory as a non degreed computer/electronics engineer. Mostly did programming. Worked on clementine (deep space program science experiment) back in 94. He set up some programs for one of the cameras on the craft. Remember him bringing home amazingly detailed lunar pictures. The whole family has asked him over the years (especially since retirement) to talk about some stuff and he would just start smiling. But as things become declassified, if he worked on them he talks about them. In more detail than any the science channel documentary could ever provide.
A friend of a friend was - officially - a medic with the Royal Marine Commandos. Unofficially - the only way his wife was able to work out where he was in the world while on deployment, was to watch the news and see where the latest "hotspot" was.
Yea, because people are going to post top secret information on BP; NOT.
Nah, it's accurate. Source: me. Can't say where I work.
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