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Esther Mukumbo is a mom from South Africa, trying to find her way toward financial independence. She has over 10 years of experience in Development Finance and Banking and is a director at a black women-owned investment company she co-founded called Malkia Invest.

While trying to achieve her goals, Esther also regularly posts on social media and one of her latest tweets has gone viral. In it, the woman asked everyone to share their most controversial takes on personal finance, and people happily obliged.

This prompted an interesting discussion on money, a subject many often avoid in the real world, fearing making a fool of themselves or saying something that would trigger those around them. Yay the internet!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

HA!!! HERE IT IS!!! The Terry Pratchett Sam Vimes Boots theory I mentioned before!

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However, let's challenge this thread from a different perspective. Not because it's inherently wrong—it might allow us to get a better understanding of what these people are talking about. As Kristin Wong pointed out in The New York Times, traditional personal finance advice is often tossed around in blanket statements. While there's nothing wrong with the actual advice in theory, the way we deal with money in reality is often much more nuanced.

Consumer spending is increasing and unemployment rates have fallen, but wage growth has been slow, and income inequality is still very much a problem. With the situation changing so fast and drastically, what can we actually do about money?

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is this controversial? They absolutely should not exist. You don’t become a billionaire by paying people fair wages and a fair amount of tax. You become one by playing the system and cheating people out a liveable wage.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is true. Terry Pratchett's Sam Vimes had a GREAT little commentary on that.... too darn true.

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"I'm interested in the causes and consequences of inequality, particularly from a labor market perspective," Kate Bahn, director of labor market policy and an economist at the research organization Washington Center for Equitable Growth, told Wong. Dr. Bahn argued there's not enough emphasis on the larger structural barriers that make people's financial lives difficult. Personal finance might sometimes even further de-emphasize these barriers, she said.

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There is, for example, a concept called labor monopsony, which is what happens when a single hiring entity gains control over the workforce.

"So employers will take advantage and pay workers less because there's nowhere else to go," Dr. Bahn said. "It's geographically remote areas where there may be only one big employer, and there's no other company to work for, so that company can pay whatever they want because workers can’t say, 'Screw this,' and go somewhere else."

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES to #2. "Start your own business" is advice that gets abused just as much as "Go to college." It's not for everyone, folks.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or better yet: Don't police how other people spend their money. Unless they ask you directly, it's literally none of your business. How would you like it if people commented and judged you on your purchases? Don't do it to others.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had very good grades at school where's he money they promised my I'd have if I worked hard? did I work hard for nothing? Do you just have to know rich people and they give you jobs... or not FILLON RENDS L'ARGENT!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Get rid of religion, it is only about control and money. Controlling YOU and YOUR money.

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Dr. Bahn's argument is that personal finance is necessary, but not quite sufficient. It's put forth as a solution when what we really need is policy, she said, and places priority on personal choice over issues that are ultimately out of most people's control.

But there are still plenty of folks who think that personal finance remains helpful because it is a way to share information that many are discouraged from seeking. "People have criticized financial education, saying it doesn't work because people are still making mistakes," Billy Hensley, president and CEO at a private nonprofit, National Endowment for Financial Education, also told Wong. "Education can't help access jobs, but it can help people navigate the system as it exists."

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You also can't buy in bulk, transport far for savings, or afford an annual subscription for discount stores or Prime.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In... the USA... yes. I remember well the incredulous conversation I had when I was in my early 20s with an American friend. I laughed and asked him something like 'Ha ha.. yeah, sure, so what happens if you break your leg on vacation?" and he said "I dunno... pray... and beg?" - then I realized he was serious. And... the conversation got worse from there... it took me a WHILE to truly accept he wasn't exaggerating.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, it's no joke for most of us. Plus, just wait 'til you get older and less employable - good goddam luck then!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

[most children are one truth away from being homeless -gay or trans-?] bad accident yes bad accident can include everything from car accident to something bad happening in your life like being scammed (it can happen to anyone being homeless can happen)

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you are in the US, yes. If you live in a First World country, not so much. We do have health insurance coverage and social welfare. It can still happen but it's much less likely.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I used to want to live in the USA, I even got my green card. But the stories I’ve heard from people living there (yes I have friends who live and lived there) make me soooo happy that I never made the move.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Americans find it ridiculous too, but unfortunately our politicians are in the pockets of health insurance companies 🙄

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only in 3rd world countries like the US.. In modern countries this won't happen. I cut my hand open on a circular saw - was out on sick leave for 2.5 months. I had full pay the first 2 weeks, 80% of my pay the rest of the period. And medical? Well that was a total of 50 euro. All expenses was also covered by my insurance company (not health care insurance - my normal insurance) and guess what amount of paper work they wanted from me (receipts etc) - none.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OK, but what about if you become so disabled that you can’t work anymore? My public healthcare country is garbage about that.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not true. In USA yes but don't generalise. In Europe this is not necesarily true.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s a brutal reality that is 100% outrageous and unnecessary

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I simply cannot understand with such a large underclass, why the USA doesn't revolt!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet lots of people in USA still dislike the thought of universal medicare, like we have in Denmark for example. I have been wondering how many died in the states because they could not afford the necessary treatment.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US is medical costs.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfriggingbelievable you were told the US is "the greatest country in the world", while there is so much proof is absolutely isn't

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yup, happened to me. Nearly 3 years later I've only JUST got a home again. Now comes to hard challenge of actually keeping it as a hell of a late has changed since the accident (mainly I no longer work due to ill health.)

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our insurance system is robbery, but we also have a problem teaching people to live within their means. Yes, it's hard. All the more reason to be prepared for an emergency.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is essential to our economy, as is the construct "homeless."

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not just the US. Unfortunately the NHS has been eroded so much by lack of investment that if you have a serious mental health issue, you're unlikely to be offered much else than medication, depending on where you live

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even in the UK, where we have free universal health care, if you have an event that stops you working, e,g accident, stroke, unless you have insurance to cover it you can rapidly descend into poverty and homelessness. Although we have social housing it is in short supply, and your place on the ladder very much depends on your circumstances and where you live. I paid for ‘Permanent Health insurance’ for 25 years, and thankfully never needed it. I had 3-4 x my salary life insurance, but realised early on that if I didn’t actually die we would be stuffed.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The safety net at least exists, even if it has some holes. People need to stop voting for the selfish wealthy-people supporting, bloated Tories if they want things to improve for those at the bottom.

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Most people would be homeless after a year or so if this was true.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks at the growth rate of homelessness and understand that there's been an eviction halt for a couple years in America. This statement is 100% true. I do outreach in the homeless community and a lot of the people that I come across honestly just got sick or injured. You don't know who you come across in the retail/ food/ customer service industries are living out of their vehicles or 1 accident or injury away from it.

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In the US this is only true if you're an abject moron who doesn't plan or have the ability to use Google. Guess what, NO ONE is denied medical care at an er. It's illegal. Even if you can't pay. If you have a billion dollar medical debt, they can't take your house, ever. Most states, other than foer child support, you can't have your wages garnished. If you are unemployed or injured there are dozens of programs and charities to get you on your feet. If you're homeless in the US, long term, you're either mentally ill, mentally challenged, or doing it to yourself. This is particularly true right now with all of the employee shortages. You can walk into almost any business in the country and get a job right now. Heck basic manual labor in Dallas is getting paid $15 to $20/hr or more. The building I work in can't get a landscape crew for really any price. (As in they have asked for dozens of companies to bid it and they all are to busy to even think of a new client).

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I suggest maybe you should check your privilege. Not every accident is medical. Not everyone is able to work landscaping or other physical labor...not every parent can leave children unattended to work. If you have huge medical bills, they can't take your house, necessarily... but how are you going to heat it? How are you going to eat it? This sounds like my governors kind of logic... that poor people are stupid and lazy or they would all be good republicans like him.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! The highest earner's compensation should not be more than x% of the lowest wage employee. This should apply to every company!

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But when you think about it, how do you even measure the effectiveness of personal finance? After all, so much of it is... personal.

Rachel Schneider, a researcher and co-author of The Financial Diaries: How American Families Cope in a World of Uncertainty, tried to look at how people handle money in the real world. She and her co-author, Jonathan Morduch, a researcher and professor at N.Y.U., worked with over 200 families for a year, gathering information on every dollar that went in and out of their homes.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Our job offered " free 30 talk with a financial planner" He determined that I would have to put 1800 a month towards retirement to make the magical 1 million mark. That would have left me with $800 a month to live. And why do i need a million if i am living off 45,000 a year now ?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s also totally fine to keep finances separate. Have one shared account for joint household bills, but then separate accounts for your fun money and personal expenses.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True. Very true. We don't own a car. There was a time we had to take the bus home from a big grocery haul. It was cheaper to get a ton of food all at once than spend bus/cab fare multiple times. So I'd be waddling down the block from the bus stop carrying 6 bags on each hand. Sometimes having to go back and forth up and down the block lol. Laundry day meant gathering up 3 large bags, putting them on the wagon and walking it all down to the laundromat. There was no car to just drive the kid to school. Rain, sun, ice and snow we had to walk her there and back, sometimes using the wagon or sled. Cleaning meant actually scrubbing and dusting, not using all that fancy stuff. We had slumlords so we had to do a lot of repairs ourselves or wait until a cheap, careless contractor came to do a temporary patch job. I was in way better shape back then than I am now lol.

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"A huge finding was the level of volatility people experience in their financial lives over the course of a year," Ms. Schneider explained.

Although she expected to find income volatility year to year, she was surprised to see how widely income varied within the year, too. A subject could be above the poverty line for the year overall, but that same person could fall below the poverty line in any given month.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my mother was in her late eighties, I told her that she could stop saving for her old age. She blinked and started laughing because she realized that she was, in her mind, still doing so. I miss her every day.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mom has a serious problem with this. She's super finicky about interior/exterior appearances and every boyfriend she's moved in with, she's "helped" with redecorating and renovating. Each time I just shake my head and roll my eyes when she's not looking. Keep telling her to just stop and stop moving in with men just because she doesn't feel comfortable being a "single woman living on her own".

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a personal matter between the family. There are some well-to-do parents who have no problems kicking their 18 year old to the curb without anything to survive on. And then there are the other parents, regardless of how well-off or not, who know how hard it is for the single, young folk to get by on their own and are okay with letting them remain at home to save money. It's no one else's business. You do you, people. If you're okay with your kids living at home, then that's you're business. If you want to kick them out of the nest, that's you're business.

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"This has a huge impact on how people deal with money," Schneider said. "The economy has been growing and the unemployment rate is relatively low and declining, yet we’re not seeing that growth and prosperity getting distributed down to the bottom."

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While Schneider agreed that financial education is necessary and can be useful, she also worried that overemphasizing it as a solution to financial challenges shifts responsibility away from our economy's major players (like banks that offer subprime predatory loans or companies that take advantage of workers).

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

yes some poor children are smart but we never get to grow our smartness meet other people study be given opportunity we just stay there in the bled.. I mean.. it's a waste ; and I hate waste; us, poor people, do

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unless you have been in those shoes, you can't know how to advise someone on living in them.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I get frustrated at people saying it's inexpensive to cook healthy stews with cheaper cuts of meat and veg. The ingredients might be less expensive but having the oven on for 2 hours is more than many can afford where I live.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Disability benefits are there to cover the extra costs associated with having a disability/being disabled. Do you have to keep the heating on 3/4 of the year because of kidney failure, because there's a cost to that. Do you have to eat food without certain niche ingredients and therefore spend additional money covering the cost of that. I spend additional money each month on petrol so I can get to places because the bus isn't suitable. Disabilities cost more.

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One thing that both proponents and critics of financial education seem to find common ground on, however, is that if we're going to help people navigate the current system, the way we talk about money has to evolve.

Financial education should not be telling a person to do this and in this exact way or you’re a failure. We need to humanize the topic and try to acknowledge the individual.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyway saving is a myth, that is NOT how rich people get rich. Source: I am in the 1% in my country, own 3 cars, paying off two properties, have two servants, private schooling, etc. How did I do it? Sheer luck, and playing the stock market with spare cash.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not having a car payment ROCKS! I’ll drive mine until the wheels fall off or it’s no longer economically sound to keep it

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

been hearing that poor people need to work harder to have better things. If we don't work harder we don't deserve nice things. I work hard yet things don't get better..at my age I don't think they ever will

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ex-Credit Union manager here. If you're married, you should at least tell your spouse you have your own acct. Most honest couples disclose that ahead of time. AND don't ask anymore questions. If they can't accept that then they have issues that will probably ruin your relationship eventually anyhow. In the event of death the spouse is usually the beneficiary anyway.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This. I keep saying to people let's say "he is paid X" instead of "he earns X". Generally a person in management or above does not earn anything, they are more or less email forwarding devices that forward instructions between upper management and staff. That's not work.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

a child's happiness depends on money I would feel better (and the people at school insulting me too) if I coul take a shower when I want instead of "water is expensive and we only have one hot water balloon-storage/day so we'll have to take turns : for a family of three max MAX is 1 shower every three days :(

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Financial literacy" is code for rich people wanting to believe that poverty only happens due to personal faults and not systemic injustice.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Youtubers and other platformers get a lot of help from friends and family to advertise, and those who really did it themselves took a lot of sacrifices many of us aren't willing to risk. All these ones saying they quit their jobs to focus on their channel for a couple never tell you how they were able to do to that. Same with the ones saying they tried working one office job, quit and vowed to never work for someone again. HOW?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think it should be taught in secondary school, as not everyone goes on to university

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The US system seems so complicated to me. In the UK your employer just deducts your taxes for you, mostly it's self-employed people have to do tax returns/work out their own payments.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I never knew how true this was until a year ago. If I end up not being able to go back to work (currently on leave with a medical issue), I may or may not get social security benefits. They say that I can work, even if it's a job with less pay and less hours. How am I supposed to live on working 20 hours a week at $10 or $15 an hour?? If I don't find the right treatment, I'm poor no matter what.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you have dyscalculia that is a very annoying statement to hear. It's not like we can't learn it just takes longer, and not a lot of people have the patience to take the time to teach it to someone with math dyslexia. It's frustrating and easier to just give up. But it's not that we're ignorant. We want this knowledge.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Charity shops are starting to have some pricier items these days though...I've found stuff in charity shops that would have been cheaper in H&M. This is irritating.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Absolutely - I have a PhD from Oxford and another one from Sydney. I've worked in and for several universities and one of the best editors I worked with taught at a community college in North America. A LOT of tenured professors at ivy league colleges are terrible teachers and not much good with undergraduates. Just because it's a more humble institution in terms of public profile, doesn't mean you won't get an excellent education there.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where I am right now, divorce is the better strategy. I calculated it. If my husband and I divorced now we'd be financially better off, even living in 2 houses, because we would each be entitled to several types of rebates on taxes, rent and health care.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This should be higher, the poor people I know are far better at budgeting than the better off people I know (me included) because they have to be to survive.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Weird, but this upsets me. I once asked my late dad to buy me one carrot when he went out for groceries. I only needed one carrot for a side dish. He brought back 1 kg of carrots because he thought they were cheaper at 99 cents than the single carrots at 1.59 per kg. I needed one carrot. 80 - 100 grams. Would have cost 16 cents or less. And WTF was I meant to do with the rest of the carrots? It's so annoying to me, it's such a waste of money and produce, don't buy stuff unless you can actually use it!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep... "... as you peacefully can"... that's key. I had to move out so that they'd stop holding it over me... ie: "You live here so you do this. We pay for your heat, electricity, so you can't do this, can't have that, we don't care if you're using your own paycheque, you live in our house so you can't." - ie: I couldn't buy a gecko, where I was paying for the food, the tank, the maintenance, the everything-to-care-for-it, because they didn't like lizards. Even though it was in my room so they did not have to see it... it was in their house. THEN they'd add on... that my choice of pet was 'causing all the bad luck' in the house - sooo yeah... out.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You've been eating that avocado toast again while wearing those designer jeans!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whoa whoa whoa! So every financial guru/expert on YT and social media is not licensed? hmmmm......

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Marriage is *partially* a business... and truthfully how you each view finances will have a massive impact on the sustainability of the marriage. The reason being that money matters. We don't live in a barter-based society. All-give-no-take on anything, repeated over years, will have an impact on the 'loooove'.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you can't afford to go out to eat now and then and come home and watch Netflix, you're not bad with money, you're underpaid.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you're defaulting on loans to take out loans to buy luxury comfort items it is being bad with money. If it's stopping at the diner down the street to get some mac and cheese and pie after a bad day- my heart is with you.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The invest idea can bite you... Lost everything in the 80's... Only invest what you can lose... The stock market is GAMBLING.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one I agree with. I have an Android that I bought three years ago for $112 and it does everything I could ever want a phone to do. Why are people paying $1000 for a phone that will be obsolete in a few years? I don't get it.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tithes don't have to go to the church, but to any charitable endeavour. If your church says otherwise leave

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can see from this guy's name that he is in SA (my country). Specifically that he's Afrikaans. And he's right. If you are paying income tax here, it means you have a full time job and can probably afford either a house or car, but not necessarily both. which puts you in the top 60%... the other 40% are unemployed.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this depends on where you live. $100k salary in San Francisco, CA vs Ruidoso, NM will get you very different results.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being good with money means spending $1500 taking a training course to learn a trade that will take you from minimum wage to $25/hr instead of spending it on a new phone. Being good with money means realizing that even if you're only spending $3 or $4 on something, if you're doing that every single day of the year, it adds up.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Before we moved in together, my husband and I made a spreadsheet of all income and bills, so we were able to split everything. We also talk about anything we do in the home, projects like renovation and redecorating, and split that. We are older, so no kids, any any excess is the person's.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm wealthy and you can be to. All you need to do is buy my book! :D

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can play with stocks but consider it like a trip to the casino. If you can’t afford to play the slots, don’t buy stocks. But if you have a little extra, it’s fine. Just don’t invest more then you’re willing to lose!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly think everyone should be using a debit card, so they can't spend money they don't have. A creditcard is basically a loan and can get you into massive trouble.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nope. Put down a small deposit and pay the monthly. The rest of that money you saved up, put into an aggressive investment portfolio. Even if it's a "small" amount like $8000. Look at this. These calculations are based on approximate interest rates in our country on loans and aggressive investment portfolios. Option 1: Pay the car off over 5 years (usual approach). Result, you lose about 22k USD. Option 2. Pay the car cash up front (poor person approach). Result: you save about 3k USD. Option 3. Put a small deposit, pay the rest over 5 years, and take the rest of those savings and invest in a stock that outperforms your loan's interest rate. Result: 2.6 million USD after 5 years. Screen-Sho...41-png.jpg Screen-Shot-2022-04-24-at-140636-62653d9558741-png.jpg

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not really true if you are the broker. Simple example: before the war started in Ukraine I bought US weapons stocks. Cynical, sorry. But it worked. I made about 20% after holding for 1.5 days.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

nah, if you are penny pinching like that you are already poor. You should be looking at how to grow whatever money you have. What can you prioritise and where can you redirect funds to say a stock portfolio? Even a small one...

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! I've met so many people who see getting a huge refund as a good thing. To me it's bad. It means the government has been stealing my money for 12 months and finally gave it back (without paying me interest!). I'd much rather owe the government a small amount than have them owe me a big amount.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That appointment at the hairstylist costed like 1 week worth of food. Just saying....

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I use it ONLY for potential Bookings when I travel, that is it. Nothing else. I do not shop with a credit card, ever!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Long term, inflation has been under 2% for years. I do agree that dividends are not important when investing.

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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Inflation is a measure of how much less we can buy today with yesterday's money. It's not something we know how to control. No economist in the world can correctly and consistently predict inflation, or tell anyone exactly what should be done to increase or decrease inflation.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Living within a budget is never unreasonable. You know the bare minimum it costs to keep yourself afloat. Rent+gas+electric+water+ food. Everything else is a luxury. This is especially important if you don't have stable income...because until you cover those expenses, you shouldn't be spending on anything else. Likewise if you live alone, and your food budget is the same as your rent, that's not really sustainable. People have trouble seeing the difference between "want" and "need" you want to spend $200 a month on streaming services and internet, but you need to spend $200 on your electric bill for that to even be a consideration.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Walk down the street in Los Vegas, speak to the homeless. Ask them how much good gambling has been for them.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

mmmm nahhh. This assumes you'll get a better phase of life etc. You do not know that.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

with a name like "Audi sales exec" we really are going to trust you becasue you totally are not selling cars. LOL

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well if you're in a position to live with your parents that presumes that they own their own home. Which means it's probably paid off. Which means even if you have to pay them some rent and split utilities, it's going to be considerably LESS than the $1500-2500 you spent a month living alone pissing money away on rent. I've said this before in this thread, people don't acknowledge the difference between WANT and NEED very well. No one wants to move back in with their parents, but if it means you get to save $15,000-$30,000 over the course of a year or two, you need to consider the worth of doing so to be able to invest in owning a house.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If your mortgage overpayments allow an automatic mortgage holiday you can count this holiday towards that savings total, and the amount saved on mortgage interest is >>> amount of interest you will get in a savings account

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Another gladsome-sounding generality which means literally nothing in any specifc situation

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Translation for non-africans. "Black tax" refers to your family asking you for money help if you are employed. It's called that because most black families have about 40% unemployment and hence the "family tax" is basically racialised. Few white families here are poor enough to have a family group / household that has to survive by borrowinig money from employed members.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because not being able to remember anything from high-school is her reality, doesn't mean it was mine. I would have appreciated those lessons very much!

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When you need a reliable vehicle to get to work because you live in the country. Just save for it, right? 🤦

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sex is one form of great entertainment poor people can afford! Condoms can be gotten for free btw

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Walkable neighborhoods are more expensive. Location is the first three rules of real estate.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's actually counterintuitive and can ruin somebody, wth?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Earn more money" gee, thanks! Now that's some practical advice. How do people come up with these pearls of wisdom /s

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That could get you kicked out of your lease for breach of contract if there is a no pet policy.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're not responsible enough to legally drink alcohol, but we'll let you take out $100,000 in college loans. Any claim of of innocence or naivete is just a weak excuse.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Aww yes, the weather is so lovely this time of year in the south of France. Charles, fire up my private jet.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody asked to be born, Sunshine, including your parents. Get off your lazy ass and get a job.

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