“It Takes Guts”: Nicola Coughlan Says ‘No’ To Harry Potter Reboot After UK Supreme Court Ruling

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so Lyoness you actually read any links provided or just ask em hoping people can't provide them but tyen just downvote and ignore any view opposite yours?

There are several links to the original data here: https://archive.ph/o/psT4I/https://web.archive.org/web/20241227095242/https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

The court judgement on the meaning of the term "woman" in the UK's Equality Act 2010 (which is what this is all about) states: "On the one hand, women have historically suffered from discrimination in our society and since 1975 have been given statutory protection against discrimination on the ground of s*x. On the other hand, the trans community is both historically and currently a vulnerable community which Parliament has more recently sought to protect by statutory provision." https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

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It isn't just about bathrooms. It's about the rights of women to have single-séx spaces, facilities, sports, organisations, etc.. It's about lesbian groups not being forced to include males who identify as women; it's about women's places on public boards not being taken by males who identify as women; it's about women not being forced to accept males who identify as females in refuges, as rápe counsellors, in female prisons. It is SO MUCH MORE than bathrooms. And isn't it obvious why 'no one cared about bathrooms until trans rights came along'? It's because it wasn't a fúcking issue until trans rights came along and started demanding that males-who-identify must have access to all women's spaces. Your statement makes as little sense as saying that nobody cared about getting shot until guns were invented.

Why do so many men have such strong opinions about women's spaces? Maybe you should be asking us what we think instead of speaking for us.

My maternal grandmother was a Suffragette; my mother was an ardent feminist when feminism was a dirty word the first time around (funny how history repeats itself, isn't it?). I was raised by strong women and taught to respect women and their rights. I have a wife and three adult daughters, one of them married to my daughter-in-law. My best friend of 50 years is a woman. I have spent my life surrounded by strong, independent feminist women, and I talk with them and listen to them. I have such strong opinions about women's spaces because the women in my life have always had strong opinions about women's spaces. I don't speak for them - they are more than capable of speaking for themselves - I speak in support of them.

UKGrandad: hear, hear! ✊

Thank you. I suppose it's only a matter of time before that comment is downvoted into oblivion along with almost every other rational comment on this thread. But we're the ones who are hateful and dishonest.....🤔

Sigh. The thing is, most of the hate is misplaced: people not paying attention to what's really being written and said, people mis-understanding - and some people wilfully misrepresenting things for the sake of hatemongering. I don't mind people who are mistaken or misinformed 🤗. I don't understand those who won't try to learn 🤷. And I very much object to the hatemongering liars. 😠 - going out of your way to make the world a worse place? Grr.

Women need s3x-segregated bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, shelters, hospitals. Men in dresses are not women. You're welcome.

You don't speak for me! Trans women have never made me feel unsafe, but men have me made feel unsafe (and groped, cat called, SA me) several dozen times, so what about that? And where are trans men supposed to pee? And if you are so worried about equal representation of women, I assume you are a fan of DEI? Yes means yes? More fundings for female sport teams?

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Keep caping for AGP males. They would wear your skin if they could.

🥺 'J.K. Rowling Just Said She Loves a Black Hermione: "White Skin Was Never Specified"' https://www.mic.com/articles/130914/j-k-rowling-just-said-she-loves-a-black-hermione-white-skin-was-never-specified

That is what my point is. You deal with everyone like they are people. I know I am not perfect, but in my day to day life I try to treat all human acquaintances the same regardless of gender. If I am interested in getting to know someone more intimately then agreement on what they perceive themselves seems needed to have a relationship even friendship. Otherwise in my day to day life it doesn't effect me to just go with what the person wants because it doesn't change how I treat them.

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I wonder if you're being deliberately obtuse here? The clothing someone chooses to wear is completely independent of what they may feel, how they may "identify". These days the term transvestite is not used so much, due to confusion with transsexual. Crossdresser is the more usual term now, and very much defines that the wearer of said clothing is of the opposite séx to those who normally wear it.

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For more clarity, for every person directly affected by this ruling, the very few who go through the whole SRS and changing their gender on legal documents, there are thousands and thousands of others who may broadly be included in the umbrella term "trans". This is where lines can appear blurred, but in fact the line here is very clear, just maybe not where you thought it was.

Have you read the ruling? It's here: https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

Why do I get downvotes for linking to the actual court judgement? Do people not want to know the facts? 🤷

Probably people don't like the truth. So here's some more uncomfortable truth - about J K Rowling. This is J K Rowling writing: "I believe the majority of trans-identified people not only pose zero threat to others, but are vulnerable for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Trans people need and deserve protection. Like women, they’re most likely to be killed by sexual partners. Trans women who work in the s*x industry, particularly trans women of colour, are at particular risk. Like every other domestic abuse and sexual @ssault survivor I know, I feel nothing but empathy and solidarity with trans women who’ve been abused by men. So I want trans women to be safe. " https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-s*x-and-gender-issues/

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I suppose what this boils down to is this: if we are going to have women-only areas, but people don't want just to use biology as the qualification, what defines "a woman" that includes trans women but excludes men? What trait, behaviour or feature of a person would include them and exclude, for example, me? How would you complete the sentence "You're not allowed in there because..." without referring to biology? As for crossdressers - women wear trousers and shorts, is that cross-dressing? As I said originally, the lines are somewhat blurred. Hair length used to be an indicator until hippies and glam rock changed that.

Apatheist Account: so, hair length maketh a woman, before glam rock (etc)? You'd think that King Charles I of England would have been called a queen, in that case. 😅

"[W]hat defines "a woman" that includes trans women but excludes men?" We have been asking that question for at least fifteen years without receiving anything even close to a logically consistent answer. If there were such an answer then there would be no conflict between women's rights and trans rights. The harsh reality is that séx is defined by biology, not by personal feelings of one's 'true' self.

Back in the old days, men had long hair and wore tunics with hose; women tended not to wear the hose, I gather. Later on, high heels were invented for men. "Traditional" suits and only women carrying handbags and all that? 20th century inventions - relatively recent.