Parenting is one of life’s biggest and most enjoyable challenges. Helping your children grow into incredibly capable, morally upstanding, and passionate dreamers is every parent’s wish. However… we sometimes lose faith in the future of the human race when we see how some parents are acting online. The sad fact is, just because someone is a parent doesn’t mean that they’re a good one (even if they love their kids as much as anyone else).

There’s an online group on Reddit with 245k members called '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' that’s been active since 2018. It's dedicated to shaming bad moms and all of their mom group drama. From anti-vaxx showdowns to debates about essential oils, the subreddit believes that these parents deserve to be called out for their behavior that, frankly, causes more harm than good.

Scroll down to lose a chunk of your faith in humanity, upvote the best of the worst pics, and do let us know what you think about these anti-parents, dear Pandas. Bored Panda spoke about the drama and misinformation that sometimes can be found in social media mom groups with the moderators of the '[Stuff] Mom Groups Say' subreddit, as well as with Samantha Scroggin, the founder of the 'Walking Outside in Slippers' parenting blog. Check out what they had to say below to pick up some great advice.

#1

This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

This Mom On Why She Is Refusing The Big C19 Vaccine

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Jonathan
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4 months ago

This needs to stop. There are a lot of Muslims in my country that refuse to get the vaccine because people are saying there is pork in it!!

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#2

Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

Why Do They All Have To Hate Science Though?

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chi-wei shen
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4 months ago

That's the credo of virtually every anti-vaxxer.

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#3

Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

Why Are Karen’s So Against Thermometers? Don’t Consent! Bonus Snark At The End

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Julie C Rose
Community Member
4 months ago

And yet I bet if their government talked about banning ACTUAL assault weapons due to someone ACTUALLY shooting children, she’d screech about “communism”.

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"In my experience with online parenting communities, it's best to abide by the rules posted in these groups. Usually, that means no selling anything and no foul language, at a minimum. I generally try to be patient with people and open to different viewpoints, but it's aggravating when people are acting ignorant or spreading misinformation. In those cases, I try to give evidence of the facts without personal attacks," parenting blogger Samantha said.

Samantha used to be a professional journalist and is now a public information officer which means that she's very wary of fake facts. "Parents will make all kinds of claims in parenting groups online, including that vaccines are harmful. They'll recommend all sorts of remedies. But it's up to us to seek out reputable sources of information to help us make our own decisions on what's best for our kids," she warned that we have to do proper research instead of believing every bit of advice that we find online.

"I think we should reserve judgment of others' parenting styles when the actions taken are harmful to the child. And I realize what is harmful is open to interpretation. But if no one is being abused, let's have some grace for one another and the choices we make. Each child is different, and parents often know what works best for their child. Parenting is hard, and we can use as much support as we can get," she added.

#4

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

I Asked About Learning Activities For My Toddler

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Mohsie Supposie
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4 months ago

"kindergarten as it is now" ... I don't know what kind of kindergarten you have, but the ones that I know of involve a lot of play time and fun activities, including learning social skills. Of course kindergarten teachers are well aware of kids' short attention spans, so they would plan the activities and learning accordingly.

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#5

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

Saw This And Just Knew It Belonged Here

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Sleazy Weaver
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4 months ago

Animal abuse & child abuse all in one.

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#6

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

The Mom Group I'm In Is A Goldmine For Crazy. I Posted About My 2 Year Old Asking For Privacy In The Bathroom And This Was A Comment I Got

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

Geez, cut the umbilical cord lady.

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Meanwhile, a lot of the subreddit's moderators pitched in to answer Bored Panda's questions. The mods explained that mom groups can sometimes be full of potentially dangerous misinformation, a desire to make money off more naive parents, and perpetuating "toxic rhetoric with zero consequences." The community also calls out those online groups that fanatically believe they're raising their kids "The Right Way" and anyone not doing so is a bad parent.

"The biggest lies are the coordinated lies spread in these groups on new parents at a vulnerable point of their lives. These women don’t need essential oils, or colloidal silver, they need paid family leave, affordable post-Partum care, health equities," one moderator explained. "New parents can be as dramatic as they want to be, they’re sleep-deprived and scared and have bills piling up and a new baby. Parental groups are allowed to be dramatic, they reflect the rawest human nature at one of the most 'precious' and yet frighteningly lonesome, most physically and mentally demanding, moments of our lives."

#7

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

Is Covid19 Real? Asked And Answered In A Local Mom Group

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Roland Gosselin
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4 months ago

"I will immediately ignore you if I don't agree with your views/facts/science"

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#8

Gay Satanic Clowns

Gay Satanic Clowns

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JuJu
Community Member
4 months ago

May the Gay Satanic Clowns save us all from overzealous Bible-thumpers

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#9

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

It’s Gross Karen. I’m Also Pretty Certain It’s Illegal To Feed Unsuspecting People Your Bodily Fluids

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Ellen Ranks
Community Member
4 months ago

Don't know which one is worse, the original post or the reply.

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The moderator continued: "So when people enter their lives promising a listening ear, a magical solution, and then shame them for breastfeeding or not breastfeeding, for co-sleeping, or sleep training, or not using magical amber teething beads, or for choosing vaccinations, then those are the heinous people that need to be shamed. They are actively manipulating people with a phony agenda and they need to be called out.”

Another moderator told Bored Pand that what inspired them to start the subreddit in the first place was the overall culture in mom groups that pushed their personal parenting philosophies as the one and only way to parent.

"These groups (like Cherry Universal, with specific subgroups for the crunchy moms and the sanctimonious moms) focus on preaching their way of parenting and viciously attack anyone who doesn’t fall in line. They’re a bigger problem for society too. Do you want to know where the anti-masking movement started? Look at posts from March-May of 2020 in crunchy mom groups. They push and perpetuate vaccine misinformation and an overall general mistrust of science and they use shame, groupthink, and banning to enforce their beliefs."

#10

Found On A Baby Sleep Help Website. Says

Found On A Baby Sleep Help Website. Says

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

Those poor babies.

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#11

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

Maybe Because That’s Illegal

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

Don’t do it. Simple as that. Also apologise and learn from your mistakes. Breastmilk is a bodily fluid. What if I ran out of water, should I piss in the brownies instead.

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#12

*stares In Cps*

*stares In Cps*

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River Webb
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4 months ago

I wish I could unread that

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However, the mod pointed out that far from every single mom group is bad. "Our birth month group, for example, has been the saving grace of my journey into parenthood. I have a cohort of parents who all have a child at the same age as mine. It’s a great way to get a quick pulse on typical development and also just feel generally supported, validated, challenged to be a better parent or find different and better ways to parent in a shame-free environment. I have a virtual village and that is just really incredible."

They continued: "To be really honest, it was how supportive I found my birth month group to be that sent me out in search of additional groups. My infant won’t eat baby food—oh, maybe I should check out this baby-led weaning group for ideas! (It was great, by the way.) But then when we started stumbling onto other groups that were just cesspools of negativity, abuse, bullying, etc, we learned about the subculture of 'mommy drama groups' and decided to bring it out into the public eye."

#13

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

Guilt Tripping Your 3 Yo Child Into Nursing Is Gross

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troufaki13
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4 months ago

This is so wrong on so many levels...

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#14

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

From A Mom Group On Instagram. I Guess People Without Children Are Not Allowed To Be Tired

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Ozacoter
Community Member
4 months ago

I hate people like that. I am chronically ill. I am so weak that last monday I slowly walked 30min and the muscle pain lasted until yesterday , sunday. Tell me how I am not tired because I dont have kids.

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#15

This Seems Like A Healthy Relationship

This Seems Like A Healthy Relationship

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troufaki13
Community Member
4 months ago

Relationship goals *not*

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We’ve written extensively about how to be a great parent and how to help your kids become independent. And, considering that there still are (and always will be) plenty of parents out there who either stifle their kids or who constantly exhaust themselves, the advice bodes repeating.

Anita Cleare, a parenting expert and the author of ‘The Work/Parent Switch,’ explained to Bored Panda in a previous interview all about how to overcome the desire to be a ‘perfect’ parent and how to stay positive when we’re all way, way too exhausted.

According to parenting expert Cleare, aiming to be a ‘perfect’ parent is the wrong way to go about things. This does more harm than good because it puts lots of unreachable expectations and undue pressure on both parents and children alike.

#16

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

That’s Not How Any Of This Works

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Deborah B
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4 months ago

If WaTeR WorkED, YoU WouLdN'T NeEd To kEeP DRinKiNg It....

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#17

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

Given To My Daughter Through A Mom Group

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El Dee
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4 months ago

I was brought up religious and made to read the bible. Whether you believe the bible or not it certainly DOESN'T say that dinosaurs were made on the sixth day. Even for Christians this is BS

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#18

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

My Child's Future Means Nothing To Me

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giovanna
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4 months ago

So this is the next level: the no-certificaters. There is a lobby pressuring for you to have a birth certificate BUT I WANT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM THEY WON'T HAVE ME

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“Trying to be a perfect parent is bad for children and bad for parents because it sets everybody up to fail. Research shows that ‘good enough’ parenting is best for children,” Cleare explained.

Instead, the expert suggests that all parents aim for ‘good enough’ parenting that actually helps improve our kids’ independence instead of them being overly-reliant on us.

In Cleare’s words, this involves “getting it right most of the time but also failing your children in ways they can handle—so that they gradually increase their independence.”

#19

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

Vaccinations Made My Daughter Gay

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giovanna
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4 months ago

"If only my daughter had polio instead of gayness"

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#20

Do Babies Give Hickies?

Do Babies Give Hickies?

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Joanna Payen
Community Member
4 months ago

When my daughter was only a few weeks old I bent down to give her a kiss and she latched onto my chin. She had such a powerful suck that I had to break the suction by inserting my little finger in between my chin and her mouth. I had a red mark on my chin for quite a few weeks. So, yes my little human vacuum cleaner gave me a hickie.

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#21

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

This Extreme Fear-Mongering Pisses Me Off So Much

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Natalia
Community Member
4 months ago

Nooooo. Stupidity is not contagious, why should the flu shot be?😳

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According to parenting expert Cleare, “Great parents make mistakes but they try to learn from them (and not to repeat them too often!).”

No matter your parenting style, you can’t do much if you’re overworked and exhausted. That means that looking after yourself is priority number one. If you put yourself last, you’re not doing your kids any favors, Cleare told Bored Panda.

#22

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

F Your Privacy. I’m Gonna Show 53,000 People Your Picture And Tell Them You Got Your Period Today!

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

Poor girl, how embarrassing for her.

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#23

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

From An Unschooling Facebook Page. Poor Kid

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giovanna
Community Member
4 months ago

You sign him up for real school

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#24

I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

I Literally Don't Even Know What To Say

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howohowo
Community Member
4 months ago

what did I just read

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“Even when you are really busy, try to find regular 5-20 minute breaks in your day when you can relax, practice some mindfulness, or do something joyful,” she said.

“Looking for the positives really does increase positivity,” the parenting expert added, suggesting that we try to maintain positive mindsets by being grateful and thinking about, for example, the 3 things that we’re glad to have in our lives.

#25

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

Uhhhh Would This Be A Major Red Flag To Anyone Else?

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Ozacoter
Community Member
4 months ago

Wow. Lazy excuse to be a lousy parent.

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#26

They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

They're Not Vaxxing Their Dogs Either

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Evelína Zlá
Community Member
4 months ago

Please... take the poor doggo from her...

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#27

My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

My Kid's Dentist Told Me Skipping Antibiotics Will Be Really Painful For Her, So I'd Like To Go Ahead And Do That

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

I actually have never heard of someone taking antibiotics BEFORE tooth extraction. Is this really a thing coz I have had 4 teeth extracted and not once did I need to do that. Afterwards yes, but not before.

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Meanwhile, Lenore Skenazy, the president of the Let Grow nonprofit that aims to promote kids’ independence and fights overprotection, explained to us that children’s confidence grows when they know that others believe in them.

“A teacher, coach, grandparent, or, of course, parent who thinks you are terrific and ready to wow the world can make all the difference in the world,” Skenazy said, pointing out that when the support’s not there, it can have negative consequences on the child. So it’s important to balance support while also letting kids develop their independence.

According to Skenazy, how a parent tells their kids something is often more important than what they tell them to do. Kids take cues from grownups, so even phrasing something differently or using a different tone can have positive effects even if the topic that’s being talked about is far from pleasant.

#28

Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

Thats More Than 3 Pagents A Month If They Start When She Was Born! Of Course The Poor Thing Doesn't Want To Out Her Sippy Cup Down Shes A Baby!

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River Webb
Community Member
4 months ago

child pageants should be illegal, its just plain cruel

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#29

Egg Fast Keto Mom Group

Egg Fast Keto Mom Group

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Foxxy (The Original)
Community Member
4 months ago

She’ll end up blowing off like a methane rocket.

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#30

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

Who Says You Can't Be Cool And Rebellious Once You're A Mom

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Ozacoter
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4 months ago

Me potentially killing people and being proud of it.

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“The best way to make sure that a child starting out in the world feels like their parents believe in them—rather than simply being fed up—is for the parent to make it explicit!” Skenazy explained that this is how parents can communicate to their kids that it’s time to be more independent.

The expert also highlighted that telling the child that you’ll always love them, even though they’re becoming more independent is a healthy, mature way of communicating with them. However, that relies heavily on the parents themselves learning to loosen their grips on their kids and setting the bar for their expectations lower (which, maybe counterintuitively, leads to healthier, happier families).

So, dear Readers, what did you think of this list? Were there any pics that made you go, “Wow, that’s enough internet for me today?” Where do you think the line between being a good and a bad parent lies? What’s the best way to avoid drama on parent groups on social media? Share your thoughts and feelings in the comment section below. And remember, stay excellent!

#31

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

Please Don’t Make Me Explain Why

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Dark_flame
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4 months ago

"Please don't ask me to explain why." 🙃

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#32

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

Yeah, That’s Just Insane

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Zedrapazia
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4 months ago

People have a bad mood because of Covid-19, not 5G.

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#33

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

Common Core Is Definitely Part Of The Leftist Agenda

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InvincibleRodent
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4 months ago (edited)

"Home schooling group" kinda defeats the purpose of it being homeschooling, doesn't it. Doing it in a group is not a "home schooling group", that's an illegally operated, small school with unqualified teachers.

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#34

If You Have To Ask...

If You Have To Ask...

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Moon
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4 months ago

Wait what the f**k

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#35

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

If Only It Fixed Everything (Found In My Breastfeeding Group)

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Evelína Zlá
Community Member
4 months ago

This one is actually funny...

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#36

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

I Guess You’re Out Of Luck Then

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River Webb
Community Member
4 months ago

next thing you know it, breastmilk will cure cancer

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#37

Can’t Find Science To Back Up Your Claim? Must Be God

Can’t Find Science To Back Up Your Claim? Must Be God

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Ellen Ranks
Community Member
4 months ago

Oh GOD!

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#38

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

God Forbid, A Bald Baby!

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BrokenFlame
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4 months ago

Bruh this child is going to have self-esteem issues if the parents continue to do this all the way up to adult stage.

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#39

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

Prayer Isn’t Billable To Insurance, Karen

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troufaki13
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4 months ago

I think they're called shamans, but I don't think they believe in Jesus :/

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#40

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

Who Knew I Wasn’t A Real Mom?

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Natalia
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4 months ago

"If you breastfeed like a REAL mom".... WHAT THE...? ???

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