Modern Problems Require Modern Solutions: 8 Y.O. Skips Online Classes For 3 Weeks Using A Zoom ‘Hack’ Interview With Author
Never underestimate the power of an 8-year-old. In fact, never underestimate the power of any kid. Period. While kids are like blank slates that are gradually filled up with information and skills, they often have one amazing advantage over us adults, and that is thinking outside the box, unrestricted by the cultural, social, and whatever other norms that frame the way we think.
If you do end up underestimating a kid, just brace yourself for impact as your kid might somehow end up finding a Zoom exploit and be deliberately milking it as much as possible to get out of school all the while driving you, your kid’s teacher, your friends, and your family bonkers as you try to figure out why Zoom refuses to work for her for weeks!
While physical classrooms today are mostly empty and unused, online classroom are full of eager students
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Well, OK, not all are eager, as explains this Twitter user in his story about how his 8-year-old niece found a Zoom exploit and used it to skip school
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Meet Mike Piccolo, a software developer and entrepreneur from Sacramento, California who recently went to Twitter to share a story of how his 8-year-old niece was supposed to have Zoom classes, but kept running into some technical problems. Bored Panda got in touch with Piccolo for an interview about his Twitter thread.
In particular, said technical problems were the fact that she was constantly being logged out, and when she attempted to log back in, it would say that her password was incorrect. As soon as Zoom would stop working, Mike’s sister would jump in and help troubleshoot things. Each time she’d do so, there’d be no result, even after an hour or so of trying to fix it.
“At some point, my niece accidentally entered the wrong password a few times in Zoom. She then went and got my sister who tried to log her in and couldn’t get her back in right away so she got to skip class. My sister didn’t know that my niece accidentally entered the password incorrectly a bunch of times already which is what setup the scheme. In short, the first time was an accident but the light bulb clicked so she tried it again the next day,” explained Piccolo how it all started.
It starts with mysterious technical issues with Zoom—it logs the niece out mid-class and doesn’t let back in
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After several tries (spanning across several days), the teacher was actively involved. After hours of trying to figure the mystery out, they decided to try doing the same thing from a friend’s house. Long story short, the same issue happened.
It didn’t stop there. Zoom support was also contacted, hours were spent figuring it all out, and yet again to no avail. Soon after the kid would log into a Zoom classroom, it would eventually log her out and refuse to let her log in.
This continues for days, and eventually involves the mom, the teacher, and even Zoom tech support
It became such a huge problem, lasting weeks, that the mom resorted to homeschooling
But, they wanted to try again with Zoom, and this time around the niece was caught slipping
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Weeks later, Mike’s sister wasn’t even trying to do Zoom schooling any more; they reverted to the good old homeschooling method, which was impeccable, but surely not a long-term solution. So they tried again: the 8-year-old was sent back to the sister’s friend’s house because the whole logging out issue was less of an occurrence there.
Lo and behold, the 8-year-old runs into the same problem. Except, this time the friend happens to notice what went down—the kid logged out herself.
Turns out, the niece was logging herself out and abusing an exploit in Zoom to keep her logged out
When confronted about it, the young lady explained that it wasn’t working well, so she was trying to fix it by logging out. The friend was skeptical, and she actually caught on to the ruse, but was nonchalant and simply left the room.
Several spy sessions later, she figured out what was going on—the cat was out of the bag. Turns out, the 8-year-old figured out an exploit in the system and was using it to her advantage.
Said exploit involves entering the password loads of times until the account gets locked, except it doesn’t say that
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See, whenever you try to log into Zoom and provide an incorrect password, there is a safety feature that locks the account. However, instead of saying “your account is locked” it says “incorrect password.”
And each time the account is locked this way, the lock period gets progressively longer. She has effectively found a way to stay out of school without raising suspicion that it was her doing.
Instead, the system blames the password—a mystery that took 8+ adults and 3 weeks to figure out
So, for a whole three weeks, Mike’s sister, her friend, the teacher, Zoom tech support, and others were being led on a magnificent journey of pain and torture trying to figure what was going on with the computer, when reality showed that it was all the doing of a very clever 8-year-old. Bravo! Despite all of this, Mike was pretty proud of her. As someone who works in the IT industry, why wouldn’t he be? This is, if anything, a quality assurance specialist in the making, and a talented one at that!
“Luckily for me, I am the uncle so I don’t have to worry about disciplining. Uncles get to be on the kids side. I talk with my sister about once a week, so I was getting updates on the issue before anyone figured it out. It was shocking to hear that it was my niece all along, but it was also incredibly impressive. She was able to pull off skipping school for weeks right under the noses of a bunch of adults who were trying to figure out the issue,” elaborated Piccolo.
“I work in the IT field, so her story reminded me of issues I see with user experience, quality assurance and security. Most people think hacking is deeply technical, but in most cases it is the combination of a defect or flaw in a system combined with some social component. In this case the social component was her innocence. ‘It can’t be the sweet eight year old girl'”
What the niece did was not good, sure, but Piccolo was proud of her—turns out she has a bright future as a quality assurance specialist at the very least
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“She is a sweet girl, so she hasn’t done anything tricky since then. My sister did all of the things a good parent should have done here: grounding, no electronics outside of schoolwork, written apologies to everyone affected, etc.” explained Piccolo the aftermath of this ingenious prank. “They were both interviewed recently and they asked my niece if she was going to pull any more hyjinx and she answered ‘I don’t know, maybe’. My sister replied ‘What!!?!’ I guess we will have to wait and see.”
Mike’s tweets gained some traction on Twitter, and even found themselves on Imgur, where they were viewed over 130,000 times and gained over 4,400 upvotes. And yes, this surely came as a surprise to Mike: “The first day I sent out the tweet I think it got 5 likes. I was a little disappointed because I thought it would get a little more traction but I never thought it would get anywhere near the attention is has got by now. By day two it started getting shared at a steady pace and it was clear that it struck a nerve.”
“I think people are empathizing with my niece. She wants to go back to school, hang out with her friends and get attention from her mom. There is no doubt what she did was wrong, but it seems like a lot of people can see where the motivation was coming from. That and the fact that kids doing whatever they can to skip school is a tale as old as time.”
What are your thoughts on this? Have your kids come up with anything deviously genius like this? Let us know in the comment section below!
As a teacher, this story makes me mad. The kid is kind of a brat. I know that Zoom is not ideal for any kid, and a lot of kids are being left behind, especially if they have special learning disabilities. I know it is incredibly frustrating and disheartening for kids, and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. But teachers really are trying their best, and it's not easy. So it's frustrating for this child to have stressed all those adults out, when they were simply trying to help her to learn.
I agree. The amount of stress and wasted time this generated makes me mad too! Those poor parents&teacher/school staff...as if they don't have enough on their plate at these times.
@Obimomkenobi Yes, she is smart for figuring this out, but it is still not okay to be logging herself out of ZOOM. Teachers can get stressed out from this.
Obimomkenobi >>This child is a genius and she will be just fine without your brainwashing prison system you call education THANK YOU,!
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This child is a genius and she will be just fine without your brainwashing prison system you call education.
I kind of hate you calling this child a brat. As a teacher myself, I would be more concerned as to why this child does not want to participate. Most of my students are very eager to connect with their online lessons. You can't expect an 8 year old to think "hey, my teacher is trying their best. I should help them" Kids her age don't think like that. This kid is coping with this shitty situation in her own way. If we are struggling, they are going through it even more. Yeah, it cause a lot of hassle, but kids rarely think of consequences on a larger scale. I am actually really impressed with her skills. If I was her teacher, I would be pretty proud of her.
I agree! I remember when I was her age, news flash... I was more eager to learn when it was fun and interesting and not fear inducing. To be honest I learned more out of the class room then in it with is all this rush to write notes from the boards, tests and homework. I mean how can you write notes when you have a slow hand? Just creates fear. Not only that, you don't even get to choose your subjects you're interested in. There seriously needs to be an over haul on the education system.
No need to try to be PC about this child. She decided she didn't want to do something, and then lied repeatedly about it. Then kept it up knowing it was causing problems for everyone else. I agree with you that we shouldn't call her a brat. A person who thinks only about what they want and ignores the problems that causes for everyone else is more properly called a "sociopath."
She's 8 years old, I wouldn't expect too much emotional maturity from her. In fact, I suspect that many 8 year olds would act similarly given the chance.
Gabby, I agree with everything you said, except that the kid is a brat. She's eight years old. And clearly she's very bright. She made a mistake. At eight, I'm quite sure she didn't understand the ramifications on so many people. Unless you know her personally, don't call her a brat.
She didn't make a mistake though. She clearly did it on purpose to get her own way, & she knows how to manipulate people ("At least I get to help you around the house") to make herself seem innocent. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. That is A+ brat behavior. She's a very smart brat, but a brat nonetheless.
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Gross. Her behavior was bratty, stop making it into something it isn’t just to have something to say.
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You are right she's not a brat..... She's a spoiled brat since she was totally cognizant of what she was doing and doing it on purpose to get over
I don’t really agree. Online learnings tough on the kids as well, and she’s only eight. And I mean, who wouldn’t get bored of staring at a screen all day when she is fully aware she could be doing something more fun. And I’m sure she didn’t necessarily mean to cause a lot of stress to the adults, she’s a kid that saw a way out of boredom, and took that way. She didn’t think of what could happen, that’s what a kid does. Like if an older student did this, they’d be in more trouble, because they are older, and are more mature. Although she shouldn’t get out of this without minor punishment, but she’s certainly not a brat.
I get where you are coming from, but I'd like to share a different perspective. What I haven't seen from anyone is the thought to have this child tested for any underlying causes. Maybe she's bored because the material just makes sense to her. A lot of people will balk at someone not getting the support they need (ADHD, hearing/visual impairment, etc), but the kids that might be ahead of their peers are not getting the same support now a days. I'm not challenging that this was a little naughty, but she's 8. I mean, c'mon.
We only know what people show and tell us about their lives and usually even less about their children's lives so let's not be so judgmental! Why do you think we don't let kids make big decisions until they are a certain age because they are impulsive, a little (or a lot)selfish, and don't know what consequences can happen much of the time. She probably knew mom and dad would be mad but never even thought she'd have so many people taking time to figure this out. Honestly I think everyone should wonder why she was avoiding school to such an extent. .
BfloCity I was thinking the same thing! I am glad you brought attention to the issue. People have no idea what this child may be dealing with and while I do understand she caused a lot of unnecessary stress and burden she is 8! Most eight year olds I know wouldn't think of the amount of people inconvenienced from something like this. While I agree with others she clearly knew she was doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing I don't think it registered in the way others think it did. Taking the comment about helping her mom for example as a bratty she knew what she was doing remark, well maybe it wasn't. The uncle heard about it. He didn't hear it so it could have been a genuine comment. We don't know how much her mother and father may be working or doing other tasks, or to mention there are other siblings so maybe she seen this as an opportunity to get some time from her mom she didn't otherwise get. I know this is just a possibility but this day and age it's a real oneie
I am a teacher and a parent, and I totally support this kid. We’ve given them a garbage world and a garbage education without any scientific rationale. Yes they rebel, the are human beings. Maybe their generation won’t put up with the kind of destruction of civil rights lwe did.
My cousin who is a total goody two shoes and has been her whole life was caught not going to her zoom classes. Shocked everyone, but fact is zoom school just does not work for some kids, and they feel forced to get out of it somehow. As adults it's one's responsibility to try and understand where they're coming from. We should not be praising them, but we shouldn't denounce them either. I understand that everyone is frustrated, but I imagine it's 10 times more frustrating to be forced to go to a class you neither see a point to nor understand without being able to properly explain what's going on. Learn to look at things from others' perspectives. Neither of you looked at the situation from the other's point of view, and I'm not blaming either of you, but the child is 8, and you are all adults. Who do you think is in the wrong here?
I totally agree with this. If my parents weren't constantly checking in on whether I was in class or not, I may have been more tempted to not attend. I work better on my own, after all, and it helps me understand the topic more if I'm solving and figuring it out by myself. Zoom classes for me are exhausting, pointless, and boring. And I'm not a high schooler, I'm just 12! What I'm concerned about is WHY she felt that big of a need to get off the classes. Instead of everyone yelling at her, they should sit down and have a talk with her about why the classes are so bad in her perspective and help her understand why what she did was wrong. Then you can go from there. The point is, Zoom classes just don't work for some people, and you have to accept that, even if you may like them.
She is me decades ago. I am an Internet pioneer. Screw you for discouraging a brilliant child in a STEM future.
Nobody is discouraging her from exploring how technology works, we're saying screwing over the people who care about her because she's too lazy to attend a class should be punished. Her intelligence isn't being frowned upon, her bad behavior is.
After the second day, I would have told the parents to see if their child was doing exactly this. It's a very old trick at this point that I've seen kids do every single time we ever have an activity that uses school computers that they don't want to do. I also always tell them to watch their kid and see if it ever happens while they are watching. If it doesn't then the kid is doing it on purpose. Problem solved.
Lighten up, Gabby M. You obviously chose the wrong career. Teachers with your attitude are one of the reasons why so many kids don't want to go to school.
I think you're expecting an 8 year old to think like an adult. As a teacher, you should know that's not how kids think.
>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
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>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
You’re getting some hate for calling this child a brat. I know adults including teachers have to be more understanding, but Gabby didn’t say anything horrific or to the child and her parents. The point they were trying to make is remote learning can suck for some people, but we’re all just trying to do what we can right now. What’s another way of explaining that this child’s behavior is (brilliant but not my point right now) sneaky and made it harder for others to help her? People are saying she’s just a kid and doesn’t know any better. So what do you think this comment is about then? There was no call from Gabby to punish the child, just a frustrated vent and an explanation. I have heard parents talk about their kids in worse terms but still lovingly support them. No one has heard an adult describe children as little monsters and destructive forces of nature?
I have no downvotes yet, and I’m reading the comments to inform myself. I freelance as a tutor, and hope to volunteer my skills to families who can use the help once the pandemic response is more robust. That might mean I will see more learning and /or behavioral challenges. I have not told any student that they’re being a brat, but I’ve told them when they’re being disrespectful. We have to give credit to the girl for being cunning and helping her mom with her siblings, but being honest about her stunt causing problems is another way she learns about the world and its people.
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I agree! This kid isn't cute, this kid is a brat
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Any teacher that calls a kid a brat needs to be fired. That's some hidden hostility and judgment there Karen. You need a new job. Try being a server. GTFO
They need to be fired? They didn't call a kid a brat to their face. I've worked in child care, some times kids do things that are devious and harmful to others. "Brat" is a fairly tame word for this behavior. If you have been a server I am sure you have said worse about people you have served.
I wouldn't be proud of my kid for doing this... this involved her telling a whole heap of lies and selfishly taking valuable time away from pretty much everyone around her (her adults, the teacher, the other students). If she is doing this at 8, how will she be at 16? At 25?
Hopefully she wants to do good, if not she will be federal prisoner #
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Pregnant at 16 and on welfare by 25 as a "single mom" with four kids by 3 different baby daddies
Even Zoom support tech did not know, that account is blocked because of many wrong password attempts? What a stupid support...I am a developer, working with simple system where login is and if someone is blocked, i see when was blocked and what was the reason of blocking and as administrator, can unblock immediately and user can log in...
Same. You can see the logfiles and wrong password counters.
Yea, this seems like some pretty basic trouble shooting. I have to reset accounts all the time because people repeatedly lock themselves out. Log in for the child, sit there during the class, notice it all works fine.
I've seen financial institutions quantify the cost to tech support on wrong password attempts to justify buying biometric mouses. This should have been an easy fix and I'm suspicious of the whole sroty.
Exactly. AS a former tech support, this sounds impossibly stupid. The first thing you do is theck the log. Which in this instance clearly would have shown a login, in the morning, followed by whatever she clicked on while logged in, and then a click on the logout button. Followed emidietly by a series of wrong passwords. Obviously a program like zoom, will have timestamps for all events. So should be fairly easy, to decipher, since the problem follows the same roadmap every time. Login->logout->x-amount of wrong passwords->lockout expire->login-logout->etc. So clearly the user knows the password, and is causing the problem on purpose. I would fire my tech support, if they couldn't figure out this easy problem.
I assume the support did not have immediate contact with the devs themselves. Which is pretty much a 'standard' and bs because, as you say, if anyone could check the suspicious account's logs they'd immediately tell what was wrong with it. As a dev myself and sometimes a user who requires support it infuriates me why a dev can't take a look, as it would save hours if not weeks of talking to the support who sometimes haven't got the brightest idea and tell you to wait for the problem to resolve itself. I once required assistance of a furnace driver malfunction and since it was a minor company they switched me to the engineer and I pretty much immediately got all the info I wanted.
As a teacher, this story makes me mad. The kid is kind of a brat. I know that Zoom is not ideal for any kid, and a lot of kids are being left behind, especially if they have special learning disabilities. I know it is incredibly frustrating and disheartening for kids, and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. But teachers really are trying their best, and it's not easy. So it's frustrating for this child to have stressed all those adults out, when they were simply trying to help her to learn.
I agree. The amount of stress and wasted time this generated makes me mad too! Those poor parents&teacher/school staff...as if they don't have enough on their plate at these times.
@Obimomkenobi Yes, she is smart for figuring this out, but it is still not okay to be logging herself out of ZOOM. Teachers can get stressed out from this.
Obimomkenobi >>This child is a genius and she will be just fine without your brainwashing prison system you call education THANK YOU,!
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This child is a genius and she will be just fine without your brainwashing prison system you call education.
I kind of hate you calling this child a brat. As a teacher myself, I would be more concerned as to why this child does not want to participate. Most of my students are very eager to connect with their online lessons. You can't expect an 8 year old to think "hey, my teacher is trying their best. I should help them" Kids her age don't think like that. This kid is coping with this shitty situation in her own way. If we are struggling, they are going through it even more. Yeah, it cause a lot of hassle, but kids rarely think of consequences on a larger scale. I am actually really impressed with her skills. If I was her teacher, I would be pretty proud of her.
I agree! I remember when I was her age, news flash... I was more eager to learn when it was fun and interesting and not fear inducing. To be honest I learned more out of the class room then in it with is all this rush to write notes from the boards, tests and homework. I mean how can you write notes when you have a slow hand? Just creates fear. Not only that, you don't even get to choose your subjects you're interested in. There seriously needs to be an over haul on the education system.
No need to try to be PC about this child. She decided she didn't want to do something, and then lied repeatedly about it. Then kept it up knowing it was causing problems for everyone else. I agree with you that we shouldn't call her a brat. A person who thinks only about what they want and ignores the problems that causes for everyone else is more properly called a "sociopath."
She's 8 years old, I wouldn't expect too much emotional maturity from her. In fact, I suspect that many 8 year olds would act similarly given the chance.
Gabby, I agree with everything you said, except that the kid is a brat. She's eight years old. And clearly she's very bright. She made a mistake. At eight, I'm quite sure she didn't understand the ramifications on so many people. Unless you know her personally, don't call her a brat.
She didn't make a mistake though. She clearly did it on purpose to get her own way, & she knows how to manipulate people ("At least I get to help you around the house") to make herself seem innocent. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing. That is A+ brat behavior. She's a very smart brat, but a brat nonetheless.
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Gross. Her behavior was bratty, stop making it into something it isn’t just to have something to say.
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You are right she's not a brat..... She's a spoiled brat since she was totally cognizant of what she was doing and doing it on purpose to get over
I don’t really agree. Online learnings tough on the kids as well, and she’s only eight. And I mean, who wouldn’t get bored of staring at a screen all day when she is fully aware she could be doing something more fun. And I’m sure she didn’t necessarily mean to cause a lot of stress to the adults, she’s a kid that saw a way out of boredom, and took that way. She didn’t think of what could happen, that’s what a kid does. Like if an older student did this, they’d be in more trouble, because they are older, and are more mature. Although she shouldn’t get out of this without minor punishment, but she’s certainly not a brat.
I get where you are coming from, but I'd like to share a different perspective. What I haven't seen from anyone is the thought to have this child tested for any underlying causes. Maybe she's bored because the material just makes sense to her. A lot of people will balk at someone not getting the support they need (ADHD, hearing/visual impairment, etc), but the kids that might be ahead of their peers are not getting the same support now a days. I'm not challenging that this was a little naughty, but she's 8. I mean, c'mon.
We only know what people show and tell us about their lives and usually even less about their children's lives so let's not be so judgmental! Why do you think we don't let kids make big decisions until they are a certain age because they are impulsive, a little (or a lot)selfish, and don't know what consequences can happen much of the time. She probably knew mom and dad would be mad but never even thought she'd have so many people taking time to figure this out. Honestly I think everyone should wonder why she was avoiding school to such an extent. .
BfloCity I was thinking the same thing! I am glad you brought attention to the issue. People have no idea what this child may be dealing with and while I do understand she caused a lot of unnecessary stress and burden she is 8! Most eight year olds I know wouldn't think of the amount of people inconvenienced from something like this. While I agree with others she clearly knew she was doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing I don't think it registered in the way others think it did. Taking the comment about helping her mom for example as a bratty she knew what she was doing remark, well maybe it wasn't. The uncle heard about it. He didn't hear it so it could have been a genuine comment. We don't know how much her mother and father may be working or doing other tasks, or to mention there are other siblings so maybe she seen this as an opportunity to get some time from her mom she didn't otherwise get. I know this is just a possibility but this day and age it's a real oneie
I am a teacher and a parent, and I totally support this kid. We’ve given them a garbage world and a garbage education without any scientific rationale. Yes they rebel, the are human beings. Maybe their generation won’t put up with the kind of destruction of civil rights lwe did.
My cousin who is a total goody two shoes and has been her whole life was caught not going to her zoom classes. Shocked everyone, but fact is zoom school just does not work for some kids, and they feel forced to get out of it somehow. As adults it's one's responsibility to try and understand where they're coming from. We should not be praising them, but we shouldn't denounce them either. I understand that everyone is frustrated, but I imagine it's 10 times more frustrating to be forced to go to a class you neither see a point to nor understand without being able to properly explain what's going on. Learn to look at things from others' perspectives. Neither of you looked at the situation from the other's point of view, and I'm not blaming either of you, but the child is 8, and you are all adults. Who do you think is in the wrong here?
I totally agree with this. If my parents weren't constantly checking in on whether I was in class or not, I may have been more tempted to not attend. I work better on my own, after all, and it helps me understand the topic more if I'm solving and figuring it out by myself. Zoom classes for me are exhausting, pointless, and boring. And I'm not a high schooler, I'm just 12! What I'm concerned about is WHY she felt that big of a need to get off the classes. Instead of everyone yelling at her, they should sit down and have a talk with her about why the classes are so bad in her perspective and help her understand why what she did was wrong. Then you can go from there. The point is, Zoom classes just don't work for some people, and you have to accept that, even if you may like them.
She is me decades ago. I am an Internet pioneer. Screw you for discouraging a brilliant child in a STEM future.
Nobody is discouraging her from exploring how technology works, we're saying screwing over the people who care about her because she's too lazy to attend a class should be punished. Her intelligence isn't being frowned upon, her bad behavior is.
After the second day, I would have told the parents to see if their child was doing exactly this. It's a very old trick at this point that I've seen kids do every single time we ever have an activity that uses school computers that they don't want to do. I also always tell them to watch their kid and see if it ever happens while they are watching. If it doesn't then the kid is doing it on purpose. Problem solved.
Lighten up, Gabby M. You obviously chose the wrong career. Teachers with your attitude are one of the reasons why so many kids don't want to go to school.
I think you're expecting an 8 year old to think like an adult. As a teacher, you should know that's not how kids think.
>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
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>> and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. You are not a teacher, or not a smart understanding teacher. You don't know kids how are you going to teach them and affect their lives? Why doesn't a child like class?????? Maybe leave those tough ones for the PhDs outside of elementary schools. Seriously! At first I thought the kids was just awesome. Now, I know she's awesome AND JUSTIFIED. EXTRA EXTRA read all about it! Kid doesn't like school! Apocalypse upon us.
You’re getting some hate for calling this child a brat. I know adults including teachers have to be more understanding, but Gabby didn’t say anything horrific or to the child and her parents. The point they were trying to make is remote learning can suck for some people, but we’re all just trying to do what we can right now. What’s another way of explaining that this child’s behavior is (brilliant but not my point right now) sneaky and made it harder for others to help her? People are saying she’s just a kid and doesn’t know any better. So what do you think this comment is about then? There was no call from Gabby to punish the child, just a frustrated vent and an explanation. I have heard parents talk about their kids in worse terms but still lovingly support them. No one has heard an adult describe children as little monsters and destructive forces of nature?
I have no downvotes yet, and I’m reading the comments to inform myself. I freelance as a tutor, and hope to volunteer my skills to families who can use the help once the pandemic response is more robust. That might mean I will see more learning and /or behavioral challenges. I have not told any student that they’re being a brat, but I’ve told them when they’re being disrespectful. We have to give credit to the girl for being cunning and helping her mom with her siblings, but being honest about her stunt causing problems is another way she learns about the world and its people.
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I agree! This kid isn't cute, this kid is a brat
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Any teacher that calls a kid a brat needs to be fired. That's some hidden hostility and judgment there Karen. You need a new job. Try being a server. GTFO
They need to be fired? They didn't call a kid a brat to their face. I've worked in child care, some times kids do things that are devious and harmful to others. "Brat" is a fairly tame word for this behavior. If you have been a server I am sure you have said worse about people you have served.
I wouldn't be proud of my kid for doing this... this involved her telling a whole heap of lies and selfishly taking valuable time away from pretty much everyone around her (her adults, the teacher, the other students). If she is doing this at 8, how will she be at 16? At 25?
Hopefully she wants to do good, if not she will be federal prisoner #
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Pregnant at 16 and on welfare by 25 as a "single mom" with four kids by 3 different baby daddies
Even Zoom support tech did not know, that account is blocked because of many wrong password attempts? What a stupid support...I am a developer, working with simple system where login is and if someone is blocked, i see when was blocked and what was the reason of blocking and as administrator, can unblock immediately and user can log in...
Same. You can see the logfiles and wrong password counters.
Yea, this seems like some pretty basic trouble shooting. I have to reset accounts all the time because people repeatedly lock themselves out. Log in for the child, sit there during the class, notice it all works fine.
I've seen financial institutions quantify the cost to tech support on wrong password attempts to justify buying biometric mouses. This should have been an easy fix and I'm suspicious of the whole sroty.
Exactly. AS a former tech support, this sounds impossibly stupid. The first thing you do is theck the log. Which in this instance clearly would have shown a login, in the morning, followed by whatever she clicked on while logged in, and then a click on the logout button. Followed emidietly by a series of wrong passwords. Obviously a program like zoom, will have timestamps for all events. So should be fairly easy, to decipher, since the problem follows the same roadmap every time. Login->logout->x-amount of wrong passwords->lockout expire->login-logout->etc. So clearly the user knows the password, and is causing the problem on purpose. I would fire my tech support, if they couldn't figure out this easy problem.
I assume the support did not have immediate contact with the devs themselves. Which is pretty much a 'standard' and bs because, as you say, if anyone could check the suspicious account's logs they'd immediately tell what was wrong with it. As a dev myself and sometimes a user who requires support it infuriates me why a dev can't take a look, as it would save hours if not weeks of talking to the support who sometimes haven't got the brightest idea and tell you to wait for the problem to resolve itself. I once required assistance of a furnace driver malfunction and since it was a minor company they switched me to the engineer and I pretty much immediately got all the info I wanted.